Game Theory: Exposing Metroid's HIDDEN Threat (Super Metroid)
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It's the age-old question, one of the biggest mysteries of our time: WHO are the animals in Metroid and should you SAVE them or LET THEM DIE?! Today I'm tackling this intense question with science and some deep lore from Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion to figure out who these little guys are and why they're even there in the first place. Only then can we figure out whose side they're really on!
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"sees title, watches video" ... WELL, SOMEONE CLEARLY WASN'T PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO FUSION'S IN-GAME LORE THAT COMPLETELY DISPROVES THIS THEORY! and this is coming from someone who's played Fusion dozens of times over.
bionicleanime I hear ya
bionicleanime explanation please?
He used nothing but lore... stop being so salty....
SAMUS HAS IN FUSION METROID DNA SHE IS A METROID NOW!!
so if the animals were the X they would have attack her
"There is no way NOT to offend people online anymore"
Once you accept this fact, the bounds for what you can do grow to such great lengths.
So true
Poop
This comment is so offensive.
So true XD
Triggered.
"It's never explained how the x got on the station" Samus got infected, her suit came alive while on the ship, and released the parasites. This is explained in game.
Also, the suits abilities are designed off of the creatures, not the other way around.
And the game tells you twice that they aren't infected.
And, Samus has Metroid dna in game, which is why the x act violent towards her instead of infecting her. If the animals were infected, they would attack her.
Hey! I was just thinking that too!
Yeah I was thinking the ability being based on the animals too
@Hardly Canadian do you know what FACT means
Hardly Canadian I’d think this is more of a critique of him not checking all the facts first.
Metroid is a confusing game
Terminal Montage seems to agree with this theory.
@@LadyGendercide Don't be like that.
This conversation confuses me
Yes I knew this appear here
Ya killer animals
SwiftBlade4 You’re right bruh
Well,you could say the X virus got X-POSED
That photo shoot of Samus was triple-X.
Puny and petty!
('-')
Puns are so pun
I didn't X-pect this many people to be here.
Annotations are all fixed! For some reason, they weren't showing up...but now GO FORTH and enjoy the speedruns!
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The Game Theorists yay btw great video 😍
The Game Theorists hi I love your videos
What if samus is an X Parasite?
The X infected samus while she was on zebes with a group of biologic researchers, then when she became unconscious, biologic surgically removed parts of samus's suit, sent it over to the biologic research lab, where they reproduced and took over, and that is why samus was sent to the lab. this is in the very opening sequences of the game. Please play the game next time.
Planet with florishing ecosystem: **exists**
Samus: *p e a c e w a s n e v e r a n o p t i o n*
The hobbit + metroid movie ( may happen ) did you hear that gollum
That’s why you should join the space pirates, just don’t upset me, or I’ll eat you
Popsqueak animation world wait SERIOUSLY
You should watch terminal montage’s: something about super metroid
Zion: SCREW YOU SAMUS!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO RESTORE TIME AND SPACE ITSELF WHEN YOUR A FAN MADE CHARACTER OF THE SONIC FRANCHISE AND BE THE BLUE GADERADE IN EVERY SITUATION!!!! NOPE!!!! ALL YOU DO IS MURDER HELPLESS AND INNOCENT CREATURES, PLUS YOU ALWAYS HIDE IN YOUR SMELLY LITTLE SPACE SHIP LIKE A COWARD!!! I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A CHALLENGE TO MAKE ME TOUGHER!!! YOUR NEW NAME IS BABY CORWARD!!! I'm gonna go recharge mah Crystal's energy and mah prototype arm cannon.
I love all the effort that went into this theory only for Adam in metroid fusion to say: "I checked them they're good lol"
Yeah that’s a pretty gross oversight for someone who prides himself on his research.
XD
They can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The x may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all!
@@zacharymabb4873 X can't infect robots as seen in the new dread game.
@@gachasomething6043 Security Robot B.O.X: Hold My Beer
Uh, one problem. It's a fun theory, but Samus explicitly scans the animals and they come of negative for the x-parasite.
Moonlight Quiver wait really? oh well. matpat done fucked up again. (to be fair he isn't perfect lol. his voice is wondeful tho)
really? When did that happen, im curious.
in the game i mean
In the ending, as far as I remember
Andres Palacios it happens a little after you meet them after the station loses power
mario: dresses up as a tanooki by the magic of the leaf, a reference to a myth in Japanese folklore
PETA: MURDER!
PETA will never be not stupid, it’s a leaf, he is getting the supposed “skin” from a leaf, he isn’t skinning a tanooki and wearing it’s skin, if anything the leaf is to blame, Mario is just grabbing these power ups for they help defeat bowser, he may not even know that this leaf is killing tanooki’s and using their skin for his powers (which I highly doubt it does) and even then, the skin would probably not be good enough to fly (aka Mario 3 leaf/suit) or slowly float down for so long (aka literally every version of the leaf) so clearly it’s some magical leaf, because you don’t gain flight from a tail, or a decent glide, so clearly just magical stuff, or just Mario logic.
@@gameguin6113its japanese myth. real life logic doesnt apply to a myth.
Peter is stupid and is actually hurting animals more than protecting them it shouldn't exist
@@magarringer wHo'S pETeRrR /s. But yeah Peta sucks
Noice flag you little Pierce of hrvat
"There is no way to not offend people online anymore."
That might just be the truest thing you've ever said.
What's wrong with using a Mii in my likeness?
Dr. Rank it’s clearly offensive & you outright know it...
It's true
This comment is offensive delete this or I will call dr. Phil to send you to the ranch.
@@QE-cv7ti I don't even see how it's even offensive
“We don’t really know why the X parasite is on the BSL Station.”
Come on. It’s literally explained that Samus’ x-infected power suit was sent there. Why else would SA-X be on the station?!
The infected parts were in the Quarantine Bay, so that's how the outbreak started.
In fact, Adam was lying in order to hide the Federation true intentions.
problems with the theory, some spoilers involved
1 the creatures are from zebes, not sr388. they could have been infected on the station but not before, unless contact with sr388 could somehow transmit the dormant x parasite, which we will assume is impossible given the opening intro, or the space pirates and samus would have spread it over half the known universe themselves. changing the canon and letting them die would only affect an outbreak post fusion.
2 the x parasite is so destroyed by the metroid that it is repulsed to be in the same room with any hint of one. we see this many times throughout the game, attacking samus on sight or once the jig is up on a camouflage. many could have avoided samus if they chose. an sa-x even has a scene where it wildly shoots up the metroid containment section, freeing them in the process. for a supposedly intelligent learning parasite, this is a very dumb knee-jerk reaction. even if they could keep up a visual disguise and act cool, samus absorbs the parasite on contact, and i think the final shot is them hanging around her right?
3 samus's ship is controlled by it's own ai which if it had been any other one provided by the federation probably would have left her to die, but this one in particular likely would not. either way, i'm not sure an ai would easily give up control of a ship to any unregistered passenger, whether they could pilot the ship or not.
4 they knew by the start of fusion that the metroid was inherently lethal to the x, it's how they saved samus in the first place. they sent her aboard hoping to contain the x problem with this ability. they must have had methods of scanning for it too. odds are they would have killed everything rather than lost the station and it's research, and leading in to this side note, the chozo were totally right to not trust the federation with knowledge of the metroid. they totally called the federation using the metroid for research. every metroid appearance post metroid 2 and the baby's death in super metroid is an attempt at cloning by either the space pirates or federation, or an off site containment facility of the chozo. they wrote themselves into a corner, and always need to contrive a way in which the namesake wasn't hunted to extinction.
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Great points, however the fact that the creatures could only have been infected after escaping Zebes doesn't rule out the possibility that they could be carrying the X parasite at the end of Fusion. The creatures are as mysterious as they are cute, we're never told what role in the research they play. Why are the etecoons and dachoras specifically kept isolated from everything else on the BSL station? In both Metroid 3 and 4, the creatures demonstrate complex cognitive abilities and yet, no obvious forms of verbal or written communication. How did they figure out how to escape when Zebes was destroyed? If there is a new Metroid in the works, I really hope these creatures' stories get fleshed out. If indeed, they carry the X parasite at the end of Fusion, there is story branch that can revive the series. We definitely know that Samus's Fusion suit and her DNA has been infused with Metroid DNA. In the case of the X returning, it may be possible to reconstruct Metroids as a weapon to fight the X yet again, OR perhaps the same technology used on her would have to be distributed throughout the GF.
Matthew Smith below already covered how and why the X-Parasite didn't get them, so I'll just add this.
Why do the animals know super skills that, otherwise, only Samus should know?
Consider, they originally inhabited Zebes, the homeworld of the Chozo.
Perhaps they did not copy the technology of the suit, but rather... the Chozo took inspiration from the natural abilities of the ANIMALS when creating the power-suit! Thus, it is (once again) Samus who is copying THEM, in more ways than one!
But that's just a theory, a Counter-Game-Theory! Thanks for reading!
I think that is a more viable theory honestly. It makes perfect sense that the nature loving Chozo would derive inspiration from the wildlife on their own planet.
Pretty clever thinking DJ.
How do they fly a ship though?
The ones with hands steer, and the ones with feet control the pedals. The ones with neither are used for emergency provisions
They didn't. It was revealed by Adam, the AI, that he could not start the engines himself, but could control the ship once the engines were started.
How do we know it was a ship? It may have just been an escape pod.
This isn't even a theory, fusion completely contradicts this theory
yeah adam literally just says they're not X hosts
I remember watching this and eating it up as actual series lore, because at the time I had never actually fully played a metroid game. Now it's honestly disappointing knowing that this theory was debunked the moment he wrote seeing as all the explanations can be found in fusion, and just by doing a bit of research on the animals.
All you need to do is play fusion to know that there is no possible way that they would be X infected seeing as because of Samus' new Metroid DNA the X are particularly more aggressive towards her, opting to kill her rather than infect her. Not mentioning the fact that the X would've recognized Samus' Metroid killing capabilities by the end of Super Metroid, and would have infected her as soon as she saved them. This is one of those theories that answers itself by just playing, and paying attention during the game.
@@ducksama8558 although dread does confirm the x were offworld long before the series started (the evil chozo teased in samus returns had a hitchiker that kept itself hidden until they went home to zdr). but they were never on zebes. ever.
also even zero mission contradicts the wrecked ship and space pirate mothership part of the theory. a small part of the wrecked ship was visited in zero mission that is clearly meant to have been the same one seen in super (though whatever did happen to the destroyed mother ship ill never know)
the animals were completely innocent.
They can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The x may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all!
And dread puts the theory in the grave
This theory honestly holds up really well…until you realize that the computer in Metroid Fusion says, multiple times, that the animals are not infected with the X parasite
I highly doubt that MatPat has actually played Metroid Fusion
the mission even starts when the computer says you that saw some non infected x live
These non infected creatures are from Super Metroid.
Samus saved them when they got locked in the room where she found the normal bombs.
Such a lot of lies.
Plus the animals are from zebes, while X are from SR388
They can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The x may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all!
The chozo could have based the shinespark on the dachora's abilty?
And shouldn't Adam be able to tell if they're actually the X?
The X also spread because they brought in Samus's infected power suit
Also,they could have used a space pirate ship to escape, a wrecked ship, even with power is still wrecked and may not be able to fly.
Adam does say that the Animals aren't effected with the X.
the wrecked ship actually is a space pirate ship. samus destroyed it in zero mission.
leigonlord l Possibly, but what I meant was just a small ship, a frigate like the blue one samus escapes in at the end of ZM
Ethan Miller There's not much proof saying that they piloted a wrecked ship.
Remember the space pirates returned to Zebes, meaning they had to have at least one functioning ship on the planet.
They could have piloted that.
On why they could have piloted the ship, they were stated to be intelligent, and both Samus and Adam didn't give a second thought to the fact that the Etacoons and Dachoras piloted the ship.
So, for all we're concerned the 'intelligent' beings knowing how to operate tech might be common knowledge
Maybe the Chozo trained them,
thecommenter67 yes but that still doesn't really explain it. yeah they could be that smart, or in the adrenaline hype of genociding metroids and blowing up the planet, she didn't really think to question it, and then she forgot about it.
Well that's great Matpat except for one problem. The main AI you interfaced with already scanned the Etecoons and Dachoras when they entered Samus' ship and found no signs of X parasites within them.
Smug Sneasel they might of hacked it bruh
Smug Sneasel noice
Smug Sneasel ?
nope, they copied the whole spacecraft ;)
well, the AI partner also found them living, the only things living, while nothing else gave signs of life.
I haven’t played the Metroid games, but I find the arguments in this comment section to be more convincing.
Play now.Im begging you.
My first experience playing Metroid fusion (literally my first ever metroid game)-> CANCER!!!
Shinobi Shinobi as in it was bad? Or as in the x made you think of cancer?
@@thefoolishjester5125 Maybe the backtracking?
It's not that hard, to be honest. At first Mat Pat really tried with his theories, but after a certain point, his theories are almost always tin foil hat worthy.
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@@denzilharper767 ame here
I am
Save end is pretty much the teory un nutshell
me too
I like how, when you see the script showing MattPat's "Mother Brian" typo, you can also see the joke about the alleged typo.
Johnathan Hart ikr
Maybe he can see into the future...
but thats just a theory... A UA-cam COMMENTS SECTION THEORY
Probably saw it as he was typing it, and then decided to script a joke about it
Ok wait...maybe I'm remembering this wrong.
The reason why they're (Meaning the X parasite) on the station in Metroid Fusion isn't because they latched onto her suit while she was on SR-388, and then the suit pieces were sent to the station?
Nope, you're right.
Matpat is just being stupid and not playing Fusion.
TheLetsPlayPrincess so ture
no you got it right, Samus was infected with X and after doctors surgically removed large portions of her Power Suit (witch was soo infected you could SEE THE X ON IT) they took those peaces to the research station. The X then replicated Samus at full power and broke out of hte sealed containers, infecting the ship.
TheLetsPlayPrincess No. In the beggining of the game, Samus gets infected because the Galactic Federation was using X to growth spurt Metroids into Omega Metroids in the span of about three days or so.
Yeah, she killed a monster and got infected in the station
12:05
It is fully explained within the first minutes of the game actually, the infected armor parts that were removed from Samus to save her were placed in the ship's Quarantine Bay, later on the X-parasites within the armor parts mimics the version of Samus it originally infected (ie a fully upgraded Samus) then used a power bomb to escape its containment also breaching the other x-infected creatures containers and the QB itself letting the X infect and kill everyone rather quick throughout the ship's main deck and subsequently the 6 sectors.
Also i think the AI straight up tells you they scanned and didn't detect any X-parasites within the Etecons and Dachoras, in fact the only reason you end up releasing them its because the AI detects non-infected biosigns in a specific part of the ship's MD and tells you to go check it out hoping they might be human survivors, the AI also adds that the X probably didn't infected them because they didn't see battle potential or worthy knowledge in those creatures (kinda bs tbh though, the X are supposed to act instinctively as a hive mind, they don't selectively infect creatures because they deem them worthy, they just want to consume, proliferate and spread, besides they did infected and mimicked worthless creatures and they can also mutate them to make them stronger, so i call plot armor).
Three things:
The Choso saw these ostrich creatures jumping and where like “cool ability! how do we recreate that?” The ostrich creature didn’t see the suit and say “cool ability! how do we recreate that?”
Second: they don’t need to know how to operate the ship to fly away if they got into a escape pod and just smacked a button they would be free.
Three: the x parasite isn’t intelligent like the flood from halo they only attack on sight Samus would never be spared. She has Metroid DNA also so they would attack more.
Except they really are intelligent!!!
1: the sa-x hacked the boiler cooling unit.
2: they deliberately strategize thier placement to try and stop samus from recovering her abilities.
3: they were able to figure out, and then effectively exploit, samus' new weakness to cold by chilling themselves in sector 5 and moving to sector 6 to attack
Adam mentions their intelligence several times!
Speaking of the flood, i wonder if Bungie were somewhat inspired by metroid?
Samus - Chief
Space Pirates - Covenant
Chozo - Forerunners
X - The Flood (although the flood did come just before)
@@zacharymabb4873 biggest hole in the theory they were scanned twice in fusion and came up negative. the first time when they found Uninfected life signs. then again when they were in the ship.
@@hazerddex well...hear me out here because this is gonna sound ridiculous...but what if the x can effect computers too? We've seen them download and process data, so who's to say they can't edit that data too?
@@zacharymabb4873 well, it is as intelligent as it's hosts
and if it hosted a whole planet, there might be a chance that one computer nerd got assimilated
There's one fatal flaw in this one that others have likely pointed out. The ship's computer specifically states in the segment before Samus restores the auxiliary power that he confirmed that the Etecoons and Dachoras were not X hosts. You could say that the ship was also being controlled by X, but the game only says that the X can process data organically, not mimic machinery. This fact alone makes the entire theory null and void.
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Also, the fact that the Etecoons and Dachoras are from Zebes, not SR388. The X-Parasites never visited Zebes as they originated on SR388. If they had been present on Zebes, then Samus would've died during the events of Super Metroid. Therefore, if the animals were infected, it would've been during their time on the B.S.L. space lab.
Then there comes the issue of X-Parasite evolution. It is explained in the game (or at least the wiki) that the X-Parasites had a slight flaw where when they absorbed DNA and then went to another creature they would change their forms slightly. It caused new creatures with similar abilities to other creatures and new colourations. Because of this, it is very likely that the Etecoons and Dachoras would've appears different than in the original.
Just two more problems I have with this theory. It's funny, I came to this video because of my love for the Metroid series and about haflway through I realised that this is the entirely wrong reason to watch it. I've spent far more of my life than I am proud to admit researching and learning everything I could about the Metroid series, the backstories, and all of the lore. So... I find this theory to be very far-fetched and inaccurate. There are simply too many holes that are right there in the game. Plus, X-Parasites came from SR-388 and it is kinda obvious that they weren't travelling across the universe or else we would've seen them come up somewhere else.
And also the fact that if they'd been X, they would've left Samus to die after the Omega Metroid fight.
This is a good theory, apart from the fact that metroid fusion literally said they weren't x host when they got on board the ship. Beat that
Adam was infected by the X as well. We see in Fusion that the X can infect technology, so why skip over what's probably the biggest piece of tech on the whole ship, the onboard AI?
@@propheinx2250 the x copy tech, not infect as tech is not a living being and thus cant just be infected.
@@propheinx2250 If they infected the ship then why couldn't they open the locks on the doors? Why did they have to manually destroy the air ducts to control the temperature? Why did they have to manually destroy the power generators to turn off the power to station? Why did they have to infect a human in order to attempt to activate a self destruct sequence on a terminal? If they infected the ship why do the SA-X have a hard time finding Samus despite then having access to the navigation rooms? Even IF they could control technology, which like aamnotsure e said they can't, why would they neglect using it for the entire game?
@@slamsauce6848 the only “tech” the X can infect is when it’s controlled by a bio-computer. So the X can infect the Aurora units and Motherbrains of the Metroid universe but not computers directly
@@propheinx2250 They never infect tech, they can infect the security robot and nightmare because they have organic parts.
8:56-9:03
"No! No they aren't! You should burn them with fire!" -Matpatt
I love that line for some reason!
And then, the whole galaxy suddenly ran out of toilet paper.
SSJKamui get it hahaha
Imagine living before 2020 and not understanding this joke (awkward laugh), heh heh, ha yeh.....
Imagine living before toilet paper was invented and hearing this joke.
I get it.
A few things:
-The Chozo designed their technology inspired by the creatures around them. not the other way around.
-Metroid Zero Mission features the same ship you find crashed in Super Metroid. It does not belong to forest critters. It was made by the Chozo.
-The X-Parasite is not intelligent. It is not a hive mind capable of abstract thought. This is confirmed in fusion. Even when it absorbs and replicates more intelligent creatures the copy acts violently and off of basic instinct. One strain cannot communicate with other strains. And even if they were intelligent, Samus became part metroid.
-Adam Malkovich's AI EXPLICITLY stated that the animals inside the wildlife enclosure were not infected. If they were infected they would have attacked samus on sight due to her metroid DNA.
Toomany .Toastuhs ans that's why Mat's theory is full of garbage... ignores plenty of key information just to get his way... and that's because that waffle guys is better
Canal de Juegos del Tuailait ya mean conner the waffle?
Fail Meep yes
Here is another, replication of super skill from Serries, serpent boss sector 4. The speed boost was in it, so animals can have the powers, just different variations of it. Does this mean the dachora is infected? No. Just means that it has the speed booster power. And the chozo replicated it via technology.
And a fun fact I can think of. Anything that Samus absorbed from the X, she keeps. As it isn't a part of her suit, It is a part of her. So in a way her suit and skin would have the same effect as she could use all absorbed abilites. Missles might be deactivated, the bombs and such might be as well. However her beams, morphball, jump abilities, speed booster, all of them have become a part of her. So after fusion even if the four of them are infected Samus is more powerful than ever before.
My man, you make us proud when Matthew belittles a bunch of cool animals
Just about to watch it.Taking a preemptive guess : MatPat is going to miss the note when the Adamcomputer says "I have confirmed that they are NOT X hosts" right after you free them from the Habitation Deck.
"not once is it ever mentioned why they're randomly passed over"
AAAAAND I was right, MatPat didn't read Adam's dialogue RIGHT AFTER Samus returned to the ship.
As for the "why are the X parasites on the BSL research station when Samus is there" question : The scientists surgically removed the infected parts of Samus' suit (She absorbs CoreX parasites that CONTAIN Said suit parts).Since the parts were infected...you see where this is going.Come on MatPat at least PLAY the damn game before theorizing it!
He also missed that the X infestation started when Samus was on a mission and got infected and her suit brought the parasite onboard. It escaped containment by using a power bomb.
Zero_Burn That was way after they brought Samus' surgically removed suit parts though.If he missed the part where they literally performed surgery on her....I've heard bogus theories from Mat before but this is just embarassing.
He's great at ignoring things like that in order to push his theory because small things like that ruin the entire thing and he loses his whole video. It's willful ignorance played off of the fact he's hoping people don't actually play the game. He's done it multiple times before.
Well he might have also just missed it. Of course replaying a game for a theory SHOULD be crucial, however i played it more than 20 times and forgot about Adam saying that thing O.o
9:55 you're over looking one important thing here: the Chozo got the inspiration for this ability from *somewhere* right? also as mentioned by others: the habitation deck was sealed when the attack happened, the X arrived inside of certain parts of Samus' power suit and used a power bomb to escape from the quarantine bay, and the ship's computer "confirmed that they were not X hosts and gave them a berth."
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True i like the animals save them
#makefusioncanon
#savetheanimals
Now we are 3
#savetheanimals
Now we are 4
#savetheanimals
Soldier Main raise a glass to the four of us, tomorrow there'll be more of us...
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12:07 "The space station is under the threat of the X-parasite and is never really explained."
...except that it is explained in the opening cutscene and beginning dialogue of fusion. Samus gets infected and her infected suit is being stored on B.S.L. when an explosion happens and she's sent to investigate. You discover a hornoad and some destroyed containers. It was the SA-X using a power bomb to break out and begin spreading the X on the station.
I like the structure of argument on this one MatPat, but there are a couple holes in your theory in regards to the canon as well as the theory itself.
*SPOILER WARNING* for those unfamiliar with the source material.
1.) The in-game dialogue from _Metroid Fusion_'s opening and the first few moments of gameplay actually _do_ explain how the X infestation started. The X came from the infected parts of Samus's suit (creating the SA-X), and the creatures B.S.L contracted her to capture prior to the events of the game.
2a.) If the etecoons and dachoras were infected by the X on Zebes (Not even sure how they got there and into the pirates' base undetected), then they would have infected everything including Samus, Mother Brain, and the high-rankng space pirates like Ridley. Samus and Mother Brain are the only beings we've seen able to kill metroids in combat, and Ridey is supposedly the most dangerous being in the galaxy where only Samus is an actual threat to him.
3.) The ship computer, nicknamed Adam, told Samus that he comfirmed that they weren't X host. It's a stretch, but it is possible that they were stealthy enough to avoid running into any infected creatures since the X have a habit of attacking first, then infecting. Otherwise, they would have no need for copying life forms such as Samus or Ridley in the first place since their gelatinous forms are nigh-indestructible. As +Natsume-Hime pointed out, "The Etecoons and Dachoras has strong identifiable lifesigns, something all X-Parasites coppies lack."
4.) Not as important, but the Chozo were kind of right when the Federation tried to do that exact thing when they tried to capture the metroids and X parasites for use as bio-weapons.
And even if they runned into an X they could escape. I mean dachoras can use speed booster and shine spark and etecoons can walljump. I guess that can help escape them a bit from any X they might have encountered
the best comment I've seen that explains flaws best
Actually, even the Chozo was right. (Spoilers)
The federation tried to capture the X saying that it has unlimited uses.
Your third point is faulty. It's not just a stretch, it's mathematically impossible. Besides the X can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The X may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all! The could have ALL the data that was stored in the research station for all we know!
I think they came from the same planet as the parasites, and evolved an immunity to them, which would explain why their scans came up negative.
Direct quote from metroid fusion:
"I confirmed that they were not x hosts and gave them a berth".
We mest up
Welp... Then... Now what do we do?
*THEORY BUSTED*
And that AI was always truthful and never had ulterior motives ever.
But that's just a theory a busted theory
"I confirmed that they were not x hosts and gave them a berth."
Adam, the shipboard AI, scanned them before letting them onboard. From a scientific standpoint, you could make the argument that the ship's scanners couldn't detect a "dormant strain" or was infected as to give a false negative. Whatever, theorize away. However from a narrative standpoint, Adam's statement was defining and unquestioning. It answered the question to provide explanation, not to introduce question, as its omission would lead to infection being assumed. Adam is also highly unlikely to have lied to her so the Galactic Federation could have the animals as samples, since if he was still following orders he would've kept Samus in that Navigation Room instead of unlocking the hatch. So long as the writers had good storytelling skills, Adam's statement was correct and should be considered canon in my opinion.
Doesn't mean I'm changing my bid from kill the animals >.>
They can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The x may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all!
This is y when i learn to program a game I will be very precise with the details and keep some secrets for matpat
And add enough to keep him looking for a while.
"It's never fully explained why the situation on the space station is happening in the first place"? The game literally tells you that the SA-X planted a power bomb in the quarantine bay, which then caused all X parasites being held there to be released which began infecting the rest of the station.
The game literally describes it that way to you.
It also helps the theory that the metroids are good is when the little metroid sacrifices itself to save your life. That shocked some people. I think the only reason why metroids deliberately attack you in the older games is because they know you are trying to kill them. So in a sense we were kinda the bad guys without knowing about it.
Jarid
i never played this game but i think that its beacuse they think , that the girl is on the side of the creatures with the x virus ?
The x parasite didn't exist until metroid fusion came out and doesn't exist in any other game before or after. The baby saved Samus because when it hatched in front of her, it viewed her as it's mother and followed her around wherever she went after samus decided not to kill it. This is why Other M obnoxiously threw "the baby" in our faces every 2 minutes. Originally, the metroids were to be eliminated simply because they were a massive threat that fed on everything they could, and in all the games, including Fusion, still function the same as the first ones back in the 80's. Personally, i love Fusion, but i think they dropped the ball when it came to revealing the metroid origin and introducing the x parasite.
+XRay22AW what you say is true. I hated that other threw that at our faces. Also when I first found out what the x parasite was my first thought was this must be an asspull lore stuff for another installment. I guess I was right maybe in a sense :/
yeah. Maybe because the manga came out around the same time. I think the metroid lore would be a bit stronger if the metroids were killing machines, like they were originally, but because it was how they survived. It would be a much better, in my opinion, if the baby treating Samus as it's mother was the proof needed to convince us that there was more to the metroids than their desire to feed off of others. The way it saved samus was by taking the life force from mother brain and giving it to her before she could be killed, which resulted in it being destroyed. Now, It could just be me, but i can't really get past them feeling a bit too manufactured now, like tools.
I'm fine with the concept, the Metroid's were made for a reason, and the X-parasite is cool. Along with that excluding M I liked the whole baby thing, made the Metroid's seem like they were intelligent to some degree, rather then just unending stomachs. However I will agree that how there all linked together wasn't Nintendo's best work, the Metroids were made to eat this parasite, that was never found in any of there lore, or revealed to Samus, and Mother Brain never brings this up to discourage Samus, plus for a race made solely to eat this parasite the Baby was able to do other things, like replenish Samus and not kill her. It all seems very convenient.
The first recommended video I see when the video ends is "why metroids doomed us" by game theory.
Matpat: THEY ARE PURE EVIL!!!
Me: Shut up they cute
and there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for everything... except for one thing. on zebus the takora had an egg and it presumably hatched in fusion. when the planet blew up the takora did not have his or her egg so what happened?
@@liamdalemon1525 example avian has already founded but we strangely needed more information rarest hybrid species is a complete mind blowing
@@liamdalemon1525 and the fact that Fusion literally debunks this
You Shut up
10:20 Oh, X chasing an iPhone, I guess you could say we'll have an iPhone X in our hands, ehehe...
Wait..
*ohno*
The most underrated comment... ❤️
It was the public that decided that would be the better name(even apple doesn't like the name, that's why they stopped using roman numerals and just regular numbers)
There is one big thing you missed. Halfway through Metroid fusion, when you are going to your ship because the computer tells you to, he confirms that the animals are not X parasite hosts.
Lucas the Grapefruit yeah HALFWAY not at the end maybe they got infected
Yeah but fusion is last in the timeline so the couldn't have been infected by the x parasite when you save them in super metroid
Have you forgotten that the X-parasite can also do it to technology to, the X-parasite is tricking you by telling you that it is "safe" to go with the animals and to protect them, in order to spread.
PlayerGamer Pro omg yeah
but then the ship would carry the X parasite to, so, to save the galaxy, samus should die in the explosion of the planet bc her only way to get out is also a parasite
0:50
MatPat
You can't give offence you can only take it
Love the speedrunning shoutout! I had a feeling you'd be into it, Matt.
plot for a new Metroid game? ay, nintendo? no?... you- you're just gunna make more federation force... are you sure cause this-... no? okay. whatever you say...
KenboGames There's no reason to suspect they'll only make games like Federation Force. Just gotta wait and see what the next one is like.
I think Federation Force was just a one-time spinoff. Pretty fun game once you give it a chance, but something tells me we're gonna start seeing a bit more Metroid in the future. Don't quote me on it, the franchise has a lot going against it in terms of popularity and money making, but I've got this weird hunch for some reason.
Yeah, I think Federation Force was like Prime Hunters, a spinoff that a lot of people hate and some people enjoy.
God I miss playing Prime Hunters with my friends.
KenboGames Hope the next games are set after the Prime series with Sylux as the main enemy, next game should be after Fusion with Samus as an outlaw fighting the corrupt Federation.
OrbitZombie I personally just want another 2D game, the last one we got was Zero Mission and that continues to be my favorite handheld game of all time
The game theory cycle
-Sees video in subscription feed.
- puts off watching video for a couple days
- sees video and thinks it's a perfect theory
- reads comments and goes: "Oh."
- Repeats
yeeees
so true
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT WHY DID YOU NOT REASERCH ANYTHING!
Yo just sayin that cus they cute. Or are you an x parasite... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Actually, it's because the metroids have gone crazy and betrayed there master
I love your theories man, but I do think that you missed a BIG point.
Samus IS a Metroid in Fusion. She even has trouple with cold areas in the game, thanks to her having Metroid DNA from the Vaccine! Any X that got close to her would go HAYWIRE tring to kill her because of it.
Finally someone sayed this! Thanks!
He missed 3 key points :
1. Samus is half-metroid now.
2. The Ship Computer STATES that the animals are NOT X hosts
3. The X parasites came into the ship from Samus' surgically removed suit parts that were taken to the station, they didn't come FROM the animals.
it was from an attack from a homoad, if i'm not mistaken.
that. and another issue
super metroid only takes place like... hours since the ending of metroid 2. and the wrecked ship matpat proposes they used to get to zebes? has been there far longer than the span of those games. hell, you briefly go through a part of it in zero mission. what matpat would imply is that they had the knowlege of a reputable pilot and gotten off-world while the metroids were still a threat.
Samus is one THIRD metroid now. She is 1/3 human, 1/3 chozo and 1/3 metroid.
That computer is Adam and I don't trust him as far as I can throw him. Maybe he's an X.
Matpat, you're wrong for three very simple reasons:
1: The Etecoons and Dachoras served as the basis for the technology developed by the Chozo for their power suits. They didn't copy the data, the wall jump and speed boosters are copied *from* them.
2: Both Etecoons and Dachoras are shown to be sentient natives to Zebes. X is native to SR-388 and nowhere else. Etecoons and Dachoras were also sealed on the habitation deck in the strongest quarantine on the entire station surpassing even the hidden Metroid labs.
3: The quarantine prevented the X-Parasites from detecting the Etecoons and Dachoras on the habitation deck. Their habitat is double locked down after all. While all other areas only sport single lock downs that don't isolate them from the other regions. The habitation deck's quarantine is completely isolated and sealed.
Then there are two more complicated contributing factors:
1: The Etecoons and Dachoras has strong identifiable lifesigns, something all X-Parasites coppies lack.
2: The Etecoons and Dachoras are also linked heavily with the Chozo. Meaning that they're also linked to the Metroids. If they were X-Parasites then the Metroids in the first game would have gone far out of their way to eliminate the Etecoons and Dachoras. Since they didn't and the Etecoons and Dachoras survived to appear in the third and fourth games in the time line... The Etecoons and Dachoras are absolutely not X-Parasite copies. Considering the bio-weapon designed to destroy the X did not target the Etecoons and Dachoras. Where they were known to do so in their native environment of SR-388.
A final note: The Etecoons and Dachoras are not the source of the X-Parasite infection on the station. They can't be, because they have a specialized habitat, which means they'd been on the station for quite sometime already. So where does that leave us? The X-Parasites only start infesting the station shortly before Samus arrives. That leaves 2 possibilities and only 2 possibilities in the canon. Either the X-Parasite invasion came with the samples from SR-388, or they came when Samus's contaminated power suit was shipped to the station. Both have a strong foundation of evidence. The initial X outburst starts in the SR-388 habitat, but only after the infected power suit arrives on the station... So either the X targeted the SR-388 habitat, because it was familiar, or they needed SA-X to free them from that habitat.
Natsume-Hime I respect the fact that you know that much but DAMN!!
Rhese Campbell Well, the source material is from my nostalgia window. Since the end of the NES's life to the introduction of the GBA are a large part of my nostalgia window as a gamer. Plus a lot of people infer things in science fiction the canon doesn't support. It's made very clear that the X-Parasites never had the chance to get off SR-388. Which shoots down the theory that the Etacoons and Dachoras are X replicates. Especially because the Etacoons and Dachoras are clearly stated to be Zebes natives. Another interesting bit of trivia is that the Chozo are not Zebes natives. In no Metroid game have we visited the Chozo homeworld, it's unknown where it is.
***** Yeah, the X can't spread to an area that's sealed via station lock down. Samus had to unlock the single room the Etecoons and Dachoras were in. That was after all the other doors were unlocked too.
Michael That's a possibility, but the canon doesn't support it. The X never had the chance to infect the Etecoons and Dachoras. The parasite is detectable by the sensors both on the station and Samus's new ship. Even if the X could lay dormant, it's still detectable. The reason it was never detected earlier is because the Federation didn't know it existed, so they weren't looking for the X at all period.
Matpat's theory has been obliterated by the comment section
Then what about ridley, he's good for trying to get metroids?
No, he's bad for trying to weaponize them to attack planets. If his intentions were to stop the X-Parasite, then he would be good.
Lmao!!!!! It’s so dumb
Hey Matpat, remember that one line from fusion where Adam specifically states that they aren't infected by X
Of course he does, but purposely overlooking crucial details that send his theory crashing down to the surface of SR388 is his thing.
The X can download and process data biologically, so who's to say they can't edit it and upload it too? 5:57! The X may have hacked Adam's scanner to make it fail to detect them, they hacked area 3s cooling unit after all! They could have ALLLLL of the data that was held on the station for all we know!
The X Infestation began in Fusion when the SA-X breached its capsule with a Power Bomb, spreading the other parasites.
OMG! hi Johnny, huge fan.
Sometimes I wonder if MatPat even plays the games before he makes theories on them
Well someone said it!
*Reads user name*
Wait, you? Wow, I didn't think you were a Metroid fan. I mean I know you reviewed Federation Force, but I thought that was the only Metroid game you played.
Glad to see our resident Metroid Superfan here. Love your work Johnny
Mr. Metroid sir, tell me, why is it that you keep getting a 99% run on Prime?
I know I'm late but gotta say this. I played metroid fusion (finally) and in that game they specifically state that the eticoons and decora in that game were NOT infected. There's an entire mission about it.
The game does explain why the X never infected them. Adam scans them and deems them not infected twice. Also, Adam says that the X passed them over because the X is now are so powerful, they deemed no combat advantage in absorbing such passive, weak creatures, and the X on BSL were willing to destroy themselves and the entire station to kill Samus to protect all other X in the galaxy; therefore combat abilities were all they cared about acquiring to beat Samus, an existential threat to their species. That is why the only way to beat the X was to also blow up SR-388. Adam also suspects that the X were keeping the animals as food for later, as they move the BSL to spread more X.
I am so happy about that intro against peta. I don't even want to start on my anti-peta rant
Mark Leonard peta is good
Peta has good intentions, but their propaganda methods are the worst I've ever seen.
research them a bit theyre actually awful people
they euthinise around 85% of their "rescues"
metalblurx they're hypocrites as well just horrible people
X sounds a lot like the alien in The Thing.
Indeed, Metroid had a lot of inspiration from Alien but the X is more like that other movie involving an alien
@@ikagura The Alien series?
@@thejudge.2745 yes
@@thejudge.2745 a mind blowing stuff we can't explained that where which are hybrid humanoid
...or the flood....or the Zerg....or the tyranids.....you get the point
Terminal montage made an entire alternate decision making for what will happens if you let the animals live or die or do nothing.
Terminal montage made a samus animation with an ending based off of your theory
Matt, you forgot an important Fusion detail. They actually state flat out that the reason X is there is because the research station has Samus' old suit that was infected in, which is what the SA-X is actively wearing. X broke out from her suit, not the animals.
you may have a point there, however that's just a theory , a game theory,, but for real though. what we are told can't always be the only outcome. it could have been she got information that it was the suite to draw away the idea that animals where involved. animals theory is very deep but totally plausible.
michael underdown Yeah except if you actually think that "what we are told can't be the only outcome", then you might as well theorize that the animals are actually elite space pirates who bribed the Adam AI with sheckles.
The theory is only plausible if you give solid evidence, which this video does not. You can't simply base a theory on the principle that it may or may not have happened.
What if the animals aren't actually infected. What if they have an immunity? Think about it this way. A cheetah can run at a speed that can keep up with some cars. And the the bird in Metroid can do what samus' suit can. But what if Samus was intelligent enough to enable the suit to inherit it's abilities, but do them better. The little bear like creature could just be a climbing creature like a bunch of other creatures. What if the only reason they can pilot something is because they seem as if their body structure is of high intelligence. I mean look at the bird's eyes and head and then look at the other creature's antenna. It just makes sense.
Mat's theory is better
They aren't infected. It says it in the game.
Gifted Gamer Except that it's completely broken
Nicholasryan17 agreed
James S. Jerk me daddy
I was actually playing Metroid fusion, and the computer test the etcoons and dachoras to see if they are X hosts and it says that they aren't.
0:05 Uh, Matt, PETA already does that
Animals live? Metroid Fusion happens.
Animals die? Other M happens.
I'll take my chances with them being X carriers.
You got your priorities straight, m'man.
Wait, wouldn't Other M happen anyway if they live since Samus said Adam died before Fusion?
Other M tried to be an origins story (done earlier and better with the Manga that MatPat referred to), while at the same time attempting to exist between the events of Super Metroid, and Metroid Fusion. Considering this is written by Team Ninja, it's extremely difficult to validify in canon compared to even Federation Force.
So, my argument still stands. If you kill the animals, there's no reason for Fusion to exist, but then Other M invariably happens. But if you save the animals, Metroid Fusion has to happen; however, Other M is no longer valid canon (and **rightly so**).
Anything that invalidates Other M as a valid entry in the Metroid timeline, has to be pursued.
Yeah, I'd rather take my chances with that horrible, *HORRIBLE* plot because I don't want Metroid Fusion to be canon.
Metroid fusion is canon? No more Ice beam.
Metroid Other M is canon? We get that plot being canon.
Plus, it is VERY unlikely that the animals were the cause of the research station incedent. According to the Metroid Wiki, the parts of Samus's suit that were sent to the Research Station caused the Explosion.
Quote: Metroid Fusion - Metroid Wiki "The SA-X, an X parasite that has adopted her form and has all of her weaponry at its disposal. It is also the source of the explosion in the Quarantine Bay."
So clearly, the animals dying doesn't effect much. Also, Fusion only happened because Samus went on a mission with others on SRE-88, which caused her suit and her to get infected with X, which caused the Research Station incedent.
You do recall that you do get the ice beam back at the end of Metroid Fusion, right? It's what was necessary to defeat the Omega Metroid.
As unlikely as it was that the animals are X carriers, I would rather chance it be them, and thus set in motion Metroid Fusion, than to deal with:
- a monotone voice for Samus
- Ms. Samus Aran having daddy issues the same way that Zelda has stockholm's syndrome
- the proto-form for Ridley being a damn chinese rip-off Pikachu
- the entire metroid timeline turning as convoluted as the Hyrule Historia.
If Mario is allowed to retain a cohesive timeline that manages to keep it together even now? There's no reason Metroid can't have the same. And this, among many other reasons, is why I have such a huge problem with Other M's existence. Don't even get me started on Federation Force; that's a whole other can of worms I'd rather disavow, in spite of it having the best FPS controls for a game on the 3/DS platform.
and notta very good theory since the ships AI says they aren't X-Paracite hosts not long after you free them in Fusion so ....
Lunar Templar, true, but only if X-parasites didn't parasite the ship
Lunar Templar Unless the X took control of the A.I. so you'd ignore them as a threat.
hope more upvote this for visability. The theory itself is really sound... until you remember the above statement in which everything falls apart. Incredible what a single line of dialog can do
Lunar Templar yhe thing about that is the CPU-Adam said they arent HOSTS... but maybe he ddnt have the capability to scan for a CARRIER.... perhaps they create x parasites by a wierd combination of specified body fluids... we will never know...
I'm sure there'd be a way to fool it.
Alternate title: why killing the metroid was a bad idea.
On the actual source it states that the powers were based on the animals ability's
Where?
It was removed about 2 months ago the comment I did is outdated now so the reply is a little too late
The information i looked at on the official wikipedia said the samus suit's ability's are based on the animals I thought it was removed but I didn't pay attention to the source so I rechecked and it says that the suit's abilities are based on the animals original ability's
MatPat I need a theory on a game, it's called cube escape and there are about 7 games with a single storyline that in some places doesn't make sense. Plz help me and do a theory on this
Indi Bindi why do you need Matt's help? Just start outlining the problems
What's the game about?
Indi Bindi its the rusty lake series its pretty creepy and I would totally like a theory on it
THIS THEORY NEEDS TO HAPPENNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree.
When Peta makes those "abuse" games I wish Nintendo shut them down because of copyright.
that would cause so much drama
I'd like this too, but they don't wanna touch it. I don't blame them. If they even tried to Shut Down the PETA Parodies such as; Pokémon "Black & Blue" or "Super Tanookie Mario", they run the rick of accusations of they games actually having the messages PETA is*trying* to give them.
It's just like a comedian doing an impression of you & it's really racist, then you get mad & try to sue them. You look like you're the bad guy in this scenario, as it looks like you're defending yourself too hard & trying to hide your "true" self.
The problem is, nintendo might *might* just lose if it ever goes to court.
PETA could successful argue that their games are satire and thus well within fair use. From a certain perspective, it may even look like a clear cut case of parodying and poking fun at the original content.
Peta generally sucks, but those "games" were 100% protected by fair use, and a large reason why fair use exists to begin with.
Travis Frazier what about pokemon uranium? where's their fair use?
MatPat you're theory actually makes sense and even though I've never played Metroid, there are a lot of tv shows/stories and even irl thing that follow our theory.
Super cool and interesting! Cheers and I just subbed.
I'll be waiting for a Fire Emblem theory. There's so much to work with too!
My Fire Emblem Theory involves Fire Emblem Fates being Ylisse Folklore, but granted, I haven't finished Fates, so there could be obvious evidence disproving it. IDK.
But yeah! Matpat, Fire Emblem theory, pls!
I haven't played Fates yet, but I know two or three of the children from Awakening are canonically present in Fates. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be the folklore of Ylisse during Awakening (assuming that was what you were implying.) That would be interesting though, perhaps some other time travel stuff happened, but I wouldn't know so.
Cura Kira Coren A bloodborne theory
+Llamadruid no it's specifically mentioned in the free dlc before awakening by chrom that Hoshido and Nohr are stories. Which causes Corrin to be confused and have a loss for words, and Chrom does not press the issue further.
I'm indifferent cause even though people from Awakening do travel to Fates in the DLC titled Before Awakening I belive Chrom talks about there kingdom being from folklore so maybe (Insert name of person who sent them) sent them to another reality where they were real.
The animals are just intelligent life forms that the chozo found out of. The chozo went out of they're way to replicate their powers too. Besides if you didn't save them, you would die in the next installment, they are just returning the favor. And if they were x parisites they would've tried to kill Samus in the first place
Not really, remember the ending of the game. The SA-X saves and "chooses" Samus as host giving her a imitation "hyper beam" when it is willingly absorbed by the fusion suit, so the animals could be X-parasites that reached some level of individuality because of some chozo experiment with the fusion technology as a back up to the metroid plan.
@@kintsuki99 I saw comments saying it's canon the animals don't have X from an ending of a game.
Mahtan Amandil The SA-X only saved Samus by proxy. It was attacking its main enemy (Metroids via Omega Metroid)
Didn't the Chozo destroy themselves when the phazon came crashing onto Tallon IV? The phazon made them go mad.
@@josephwilles29 There are multiple groups of Chozo
"Why is the research station under the threat of the x? It's never fully explained"
Uh, it was explained at the intro of the game. Samus got infected and brought it back to the station..
2 holes in your theory. 1) if the animals were already x parasites zebes would have been overrun with them when Samus came, as there were no metroids prior to the game. Did they just sit around waiting for something to happen because life on that planet tasted funny? 2) although the chozo didn’t tell anyone about the metroids killing off the X it’s quite clear people know, otherwise nobody would have known to make the vaccine for samus.
Seriously , what are you doing . what is your CORE MESSAGE MATPAT ?! kappa
habanaMAX64 "Theorize thingies."
Kill X parasite zombies. boom
Kappa*
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Emerald Cruncher
You forgot kappa you idiot!
I think your theory is wrong. When you save the animals in metroid fusion, the computer says that there are not infected by x parasite. Then, computer allows the animals to stay into the ship because, according to this, there are not infected by x parasite. A little detail that you missed, destroys all theory.
Hermano 28 What if the X cloned the machine?
So the innocent animals learned how to fly a space ship and took off? No. The game theory is pretty solid to your idea.You have a couple of things left to crack before destroying the theory ;)
its not posible as that machine is an intercomm of an ex companion(adam) of samus and copying the intercomm would copy his personality and in the end there is a realy personal phrase said to samus that only adam would know
Hermano 28 I'm pretty sure his point is that, while they are not killed and replaced by x like everything else, maybe they're in a mutually beneficial relationship with x, as carriers. X gets a place to live and bred and launch it's invasion, and the critters get abilities grabbed to then as what they're carrying learns more, e.g. shinespark and piloting a spacecraft.
would not copy, sry for the typo
2:37 “Super Metroid is like, THE speedrunner game”
Minecraft a few years later: Are you sure about that?
It gave me an add for theorist merch on the side of my screen, it looks sick
It seems quite unlikely that the animals are X infected in Super Metroid. Otherwise that entire planet would have been overrun. That they could have been infected during the course of Fusion is possible if you can somehow explain away Adam specifically saying they're not. Also 12:00, yes, they do fully explain why the research station is under attack. The SA-X started the outbreak. The Galactic Federation shipped off the parts of Samus' infected power suit they removed to the BSL. That's a pretty non ambitious part of the game.
***** I assume I did too but really who knows?
Well these last few videos have had some swearing. :'( Our MatPat is a big boy now. So proud
Doxa Flame the first episodes he swore more and made an episode about breasts in gaming
Linkvsmysto it was Which game character had the best breasts. I remember watching it so many breasts in that video XD
Linkvsmysto I remember that
Linkvsmysto That was when he was going through puberty, now he's becoming an adult.
Doxa Flame haha, you should see his Mario is a sociopath part 1, i think that may be the 1st time he's cussed on this channel
Funny how Samus with her Chozo DNA and training doesn’t understand that taking any object or creature from a biohazard zone is a big no no. What’s worse is that Adam, her ship computer, just lets them on and even says “I’ll keep an eye on them now”. Who is running the Galactic Federation? Where a ship AI and a bounty hunter who was an agent(still is to some degree) of the GF doesn’t follow any type of basic protocol.
0:05 yeah mat don’t do what pets does
Interesting theory Matpat! This must mean that the computer was wrong about the Etecoons and Dachoras not being X hosts... Or maybe he was LYING!!!! :O
He missed 3 key points :
1. Samus is half-metroid now.
2. The Ship Computer STATES that the animals are NOT X hosts
3. The X parasites came into the ship from Samus' surgically removed suit parts that were taken to the station, they didn't come FROM the animals.
Andrevus Whitetail Yes, it did bother me that he missed those. But hey it's just a theory.
Joost8910 The problem is the following :
1 missed point : Okay it's still believable.
2 missed points : Now it's getting shaky.
3 missed points : 3 strikes you're out.
1. wouldn't really mean anything. her metroid biology makes her immune to the X, but if she's protecting the X primes, she would still be an ally. kind of like fleas, the host might kill a few of them, but the host is their food source, so it's good for them.
2. I'm sure you'd also say that you don't have a wolf in your house, but chances are that you have a dog. even if you don't the statement still stands, the ship was looking for the variation of X that was wreaking havoc. some smarter strain in hiding would not be found because it would be different. remember the X absorbs dna, so in order to find it they are looking for that evolution of DNA, a few generations back wouldn't have the same strands, it would be missing some of the newer addons.
3. i'll give you this one mostly. but there can be multiple patient 0's... especially if they aren't actually paitent 0.
+Andrevus Whitetail What if the ship computer was also infected and lied to Samus?
Too bad the animals are scanned as "negative for the X parasite" by the ship towards the end, Mat.
You mean the ship they are *piloting* at the end...?
You know the animals had been there for long and they can clone technology? Like the superspeed from that suit?
drditup Sounds more like characteristics of X, as MatPat implies. The animals show no sentience or aptitude towards technology in-game, the X does. Suggesting the animals have any understanding of Chozo tech is a larger leap in logic than Mat's theory.
or the ship's AI piloted it
aceotaku Also suspect when you consider that somehow Samus ship could have remained completely safe from the X throughout the entire game?
Matpat this is an explanation why choosing save is better
You only established why they’re neutral thus helping samus at the end of fusion.
Ah, Mother Brian, the most threatening nun in the metroid universe
lol
Hey MatPat! I was writing a research paper, and that got me thinking, how do you research these topics? I was really confused how you search, or if there is a specific way to do it.
Typically you use a mixture of sources, online and and physical (guess .pdf's are physical in the sense they have the information of physical objects) as well as interviews and such with primary sources and stuff.
In this case, it's the instruction booklet, the manga, the first and second game and cutscenes, and the wiki(a) (?). Wiki btw often also has it's sources and citations at the bottom so you can easily find many more sources that way. Wiki alone word for word is a bad idea, but using it's sources to verify or reinforce is better.
That is as much as I can help you. TBH it depends on what you are researching as that would also include trying to get ahold of people, for eg people who lived at an event who can recount it.
For a game, no better way than analyzing the game itself, you could also use developer commentary, interviews, or other written material (manuals, books that are canonical, etc).
If you're doing a research paper I suggest you pay attention to any books you read (college textbooks), as they OFTEN contain numerous citations (take a gander at a psychology book, and I guarantee you'll find a citation on almost every page, I had a woman's psychology book in which the author cited research in nearly every sentence, the bibliography at the end had nearly 200 sources) It's incredible how many sources some textbooks use. Some technical books lack this (mathematic books I notice often have like 0 citations, or if they do it's very rare, but this makes sense since mathematical formulas and techniques and such don't normally get assigned credit, or if they do it's already so well-known you don't have to cite the source, just the "inventor"), don't get me wrong, a lot of in-depth proofs and methods CAN have sources and creators who deserve/get credit via citation, but those types of mathematical concepts are very advanced, or very obscure, that they're not normally found in traditional textbooks, those are more research paper and theorem based works.
While I doubt the authors actually "read" everything, they still had to know where to find the book, and the excerpt that they wished to cite. This could also come from colleagues or a search (like google!) but normally there are database sites which hold real research papers, which you can then use to support your own research!
if i had to guess from this and the pheonix wright one. He plays the game once then makes a theory
i think he was emebering what he played but not a recent playthough for this game
Maaaat... in the first few minutes of gameplay of Metroid Fusion, the story explains that the X Parasite was brought on board via Samus' suit, which was infected during a mission. The suit was then removed from her body surgically and stored on the space station. The X took over Samus' old power suit and began multiplying from there. As far as the animals being infected.. there would be no explanation to the small offspring of the Dachora. The X would simply just multiply itself. The intelligence of the creatures is irrelevant considering the protectors of the universe are bird people. if they can learn, they can certainly teach. If your theory about the animals was accurate, then the X infected animals would have infected anything and everything on the planet already, including Samus.
Zachary Duryea You have a point, but notice how whenever you fight the Sa-X it never drops any X parasites, the ONLY ONE is a blue parasite, the main host, the ONLY host, it needed those infected animals to take out the station and make it thiers, thus making your argument invalid, as the infected power suit COULDNT HAVE CAUSED IT IF IT HAD A SINGLE X INSIDE, thus that's where our animals come in, infected, they could spread it quickly, you see the parasites fly through solid objects like it's nothing, floors, walls, ceilings, the only area they couldn't reach, was that Metroid lab, why do you think the animals were on that specific station and not some other planet? They knew there were more metroids being created. And to put a stop to it tried taking over the station, but as we see, the only thing the Sa-X can do is replicate itself, it never spits separate x parasites, only versions of itself, meaning that it needed that power suit to DESTROY the remaining metroids, if the animals were already on the ship, it could've told the ones on sr-388 to infect Samus, which is the only way they would know how to destroy the metroids, they needed the predators data to kill them, but all of these are just theories, and it can actually explain why the x got on the ship in the first place, because Samus didn't kill the animals.
Two problems with that.
A: They get scanned by adam and he proves that they are not infected by the x. Mind that the scanners normaly worked pretty good normaly so its pretty unlikley that it failed here.
B: The animals couldnt spread the parasite in their state. To spread the X make their host super aggresiv because this makes them more likley to infect other subjects. This is not the case here.
I think what your forgetting is that the X isnt a a "inteligent" life form but a purley instinct driven disease.
please understand that i know nothing of this series but, what if the animals where just carriers and not fully infected, a well know trait of carriers is the absence of symptoms and for a machine competent virus like the X hiding from a scanner inside a carrier is not beyond belief, also a carrier would be an indispensable way to travel for a virus that has difficulty spreading across large empty space on its own.
Even without Metroid Dread this theory doesn't make sense, Fusion pretty much debunks it entirely:
1.) ADAM says they're not hosts, and aren't infected because they're seen as too docile. He also scans them and confirms they're not infected, but fine. Let's pretend he's wrong and his X-detector's broken.
2.) Samus may have exterminated the Metroids but Fusion literally explains in the opening cutscene of the game that she was given the Metroid vaccine which gives her the ability to absorb the X. That should supersede pretty much any reason for the X to let her live, because they wouldn't even need her to fly the ship. There's even a part in the game where they're willing to blow up the whole ship and kill themselves if it means Samus dies too.
3.) Fusion literally proves the Chozo right about not telling anyone about the X, as the Galactic Federation literally attempts to capture them for "research" purposes at the end of Fusion. Now imagine if the Space Pirates, the same guys who play with vampire jellyfish and blue radioactive goo, heard of them.
4.) The biggest piece of evidence is the behavior of the X: they want to spread fast and as wide as possible. If there were X on Zebes, why isn't the whole planet crawling with them as on SR388 and the BSL station?
For the first time im glad matt isn't a lawyer. He could literaly send bunch of criminals to the death toll just by preaching his theory.
Convincing..
I'm playing through Fusion, the computer literally say, "They (the critters) are not X carriers."
Professor Brandon yea he did, and I doubt the x would infect her ship, cutting off her escape would just mean the biggest obstacle is stuck there with them
Not only that, the research station got infected because of Samus's infected suit parts
not to mention if he claims they've been infected since super metroid all of zebes would've been infected long before mother brain came back and started cloning metroids again
to go a step further, those critters are found on zebes. the majority of metroids were being bred on sr388, for a very specific reason. that's the only known planet the x are on. logically that would suggest that's their place of origin. the X have the capacity for intelligence no doubt, and if we are to take am2r as canon (which, why not that game was fantastic) there were federation troopers on the planet meaning there was a ship there, HOWEVER that ship was totaled, and unlike zebes where there'd be a lot more tech lying around sr388 is pretty much a ghost planet with very little actual tech, chozo or otherwise, to work with, so the X have no means of leaving the planet. to suggest the Dachora and Etecoons are possesses and have been spreading themselves across the galaxy is a tad foolish. (plus if they were infected and the haunted ship was theirs, why would they need samus to clear it out? why not spread out and possess and assimilate everything on the ship?)
Indeed, there's not enough research that was put into the theory, or it was made as click bait
Plot hole potential!
Maybe those two creatures had an immunity to the x virus. They could coexist with each other and be immune to the x because of a symbiotic relationship where they work together to survive better.
When you mentioned them not being able to do those feats such as double jumping because samus can't do them without a suit is irrelevant. Humans are different than those creatures so their bodies are built differently. They could have adapted those skills to navigate the planet confusing and weird terrain. Some animals are pretty impressive.
MatPat, I hope you read this so you can see my idea. Maybe you can provide a rebuttal or your own opinion.
His theory actually has one critical hole in it that I'm...kind of shocked he overlooked. xD
The Adam AI in Metroid Fusion outright /factually states/ that the animals aren't infected at the end of the game.
Interesting.
he also has no idea that the X are weak to doors. they require powerful forms like SA-X to break them down.
Think another was the fact that X may feed of other beings, but some aren't strong enough and are disposed, like the human in Sector 3's reactor room, it only fought back when it became a Core-X, if it absorbed them.... they would've been more hideous
and mostly like the room was sealed off by other means, like the Metroid Chamber entrance in Sector 6, and as Digital said, 'Adam' scanned them and brought them onboard after the scan was clean, the ship would've resealed to protect them
I have never seen MatPat reply to a comment that attempts to counter his posted theory. There are just to many of them, especially when he puts out theories like this with more holes in them then a wiffle ball.
Now that the new Metroid game came out, mat pretty much nailed it on the head
I'm confused why mat pat thinks that the animals are infected when the computer scans the animals and CONFIRMS that they are not infected
The only problem with this is that in Metroid Fusion, Samus's DNA is combined with metroid dna, so she can absorb the X to gain energy and ammunition. Why would the X parasite save the last thing might beat them?
Ken Christiansen exactly!
Ken Christiansen If she can't tell whether or not the x is there she won't try to absorb it
Ken Christiansen Because the whole reason they didn't go extinct was Samus killing all the Metroids. I imagine if one person saved the human race they would be treated as a God.
While I know nothing about the series other than what the main protagonist has shown in Smash Brothers, I hypothesize that she doesn't know she can do this, or is unable to. According to your statement, Samus shares both her's and the metroid's DNA, so there is a possibility that she simply didn't get the genes that make the behavior part of her nature. My apologies if there is something obvious that I'm missing, I've never played any Metroid games.
P.S. Doesn't the X parasite actually attempt to stop Samus in Metroid Fusion? In the small bit of gameplay that MatPat showed us, Samus is actually fighting suites of armor that the X made, therefore they wouldn't be saving her.
Nicktendo 1 Then why do the X attack her in the first place?
Except Samus is kinda a Metroid in the events of Metroid Fusion, the cure literally changed her DNA so that she could absorb X parasites to heal and generate ammo, as crazy as that sounds. If the Metroid were created to hunt the X, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think that Samus could develop instincts similar to Metroids for that purpose. Plus, the computer on her ship isn't just an AI, it's the "brain" of her deceased captain when she served the Federation. I believe the computer was capable of scanning and knowing what is and isn't a X parasite.
Jesse Haralson Unless Adam was just an X-Parasite.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
she is cured at the end, though the suits still has metroid stuff
I'm not convinced she was cured though, she just absorbed (a property she gained from the Metroid DNA) SA-X and became "whole" again.
actually your more right than you know. because the game specifically states the x-parasites were not detected in their biology. not to mention when he brought up that ostrich thing and the shine spark, that immediately reminded me of how cheetahs can actually do what a car can do but to a lesser extent. same problem happens with the shine sparking ostrich. it stops half way up and falls.
Came here after seeing terminal montage's Super Metroid video.
Me too but this creatures aren't infected, on Metroid Fusion the shop tells they aren't infected, there isn't another game they become the new enemies unless people start buying Metroid se Will not see more new games
@@oscarcarbajal5135 Honestly. The research was pretty solid. It was just that one, ONE line of dialogue in the game that debunked the whole thing.
@@NoHandle44 Not really. Almost everything that wasn't established already can be disproved, like the crashed ship to even something as basic as the X's behavior.
@@slamsauce6848 Example?
@@NoHandle44 1st.) The crashed ship was present in Zero mission, so there really isn't a away for the animals to be its owners.
2nd.) Throughout fusion the X constantly prove that they rather sacrifice themselves rather than leave a potential threat to them alive. This is shown during the metroid lab destruction sequence and the section where an X infected human attempts to destroy the entire station, including themselves. Samus, despite killing metroids, is a metroid herself, so there is no reason why they would see the value in killing her. 3rd.) The X got aboard the station through Samus from the quarantine bay, its even shown in a dramatic cinematic near the very beginning before the first area even starts, so his claim of "There is no real reason why they are in the station" is just flat out wrong. Just to name a few
This is still my favorite game theory intro song out of all of the ones that were made