Pidgeot-Line Solo Challenge - Pokemon FireRed
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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Steel Wing would have been useful for taking on rock types over thief. Higher base power and being super effective is worth more than hitting the special defense stat (lvl 60 Pidgeot vs. lvl 50 Rhyhorn is 24-50% for Steel Wing while Thief is 25% to 29%. Lvl 70 Pidgeot vs lvl 51 Onix should be a 2HKO.
Took the words right out of my mouth
Correct think he noticed but hey it was funny
@@bluestprotocol3972Yes inefficient are funnies, no kno best strateghee lol wat noob Scott
@@bp3366 your mom must be proud of you
@@bp3366you mean like you are a noob at spelling coherent sentences?
You said you missed Steel Wing, but I think you also overlooked how useful Substitute is for the League. The frequency of the AI using non-damaging moves, along with it blocking intimidates, makes it absolutely invaluable for any physical attacker like Pidgeot.
Eggceptional knows how insanely good Substitute is in Kanto Fire Red. It’s basically the Gen 3 equivalent to Hidden Power in solving a lot of fights/abuses the AI a lot. Especially if they try to Speed control with Rock Tomb/Scary Face.
Oh dang. Too bad Lance's Gyarados comes out first then, but good for Blue.
@@darlhiatt8136 Lance and Blaine still put you at -1, but its so much less painful if you avoid further status/speed/attack drops.
@SquallLionhart409 coming back after finishing the video and yeah I'm surprised how much he could do with -1.
@@shadowtitanx3962Eggceptional is an amazing up and comer
I gotta say man, its insane that you went for thief and featherdance over steel wing which would have helped against an absurd number of enemy pokemon
Yeah when I did that challenge I did use Steel Wing. It worked so amazingly well I don't understand his choice here.
Notably, Weedle, the Pidgey line, the Rattata line, the Zubat line, and Staryu line all give speed EVs so considering how common/required those pokemon are to fight, especially from Rocket grunts, it's very likely that you'll end up with lots of speed evs during every run
What Pidgeot really needs is a signature move that's basically flying-type Electro Ball - so it can turn that speed (including agility) into damage
Or a speed-stat based Body Press. "Sonic strike!"
I don't think it would be signature but would be really helpful to many of the early game bird Pokemon
@@eliyaskiya To be fair, it's somewhat rare that a "signature move" remains unique for long. Watch Gallade get Glaive Rush, Kowtow Kleave and Stone Axe next gen :D
It always blows my mind the amount of techs and details behind your overlay's functioning - its so well done and must be SOOOO much work and dedication to get it to this level. You're like a producer and coder and pokemaster and youtuber and much more all in one LOL! Beautiful work!!
An idea for Flying Types going forward: If they can, Steel Wing should be a very good for dealing with Rock Types. And it's accessible in the Safari Zone. So need to rely on Thief.
Something to note about the Silph Rival in FRLG. Alakazam's only attack is Future Sight. If it's the last Pokemon and you can kill it in 2 hits, you win.
You forgor the pokemon
@@TheModdedwarfare3 Fixed
It feels like they realised Alakazam is pretty insane for that point in the game for not even being the intended ace on the team and structured Alakazam's level up moveset to handicap it at Silph Co.
Has anyone ever pointed out that DUD-ley is the perfect name for the (formerly) self-destructing hiker?
i think scott did in the first frlg video, but i don't remember
This reminds me of one time I did a run where I had 5 Pidgeys and a Pidgeot. The Pidgeys were all named "Burd" and Pidgeot was named "Big Burd". I had to rotate a Pidgey or two for HM reasons obviously. It was a surprisingly fun run and rock types were definitely a pain.
This would have been perfect if only they were named Birb instead of Burd
Honestly having a pivot to remove confusion and debuffs helps so much in solo runs, it cannot be overstated how much it helps. It definitely puts the integrity of it being a "solo" run into question, but for non-challenge runs it is such an effective quality of life improvement.
STEEL WING! SUBSTITUTE!!!! AAAAAAA!!!! Sorry... watching this playthrough had me going "WHYYY!?" near the end... Pidgeot is actually not that bad! I really hope you can get around to another playthrough with it, because it's not that bad!
You can find the Steel wing TM in the Safari Zone.
That will help all flying type pokemons against Giovanni gym battle, Lance's erodactyl and Blue's Rhydon
Bruno's onix too!
TM Steel Wing might have been a better choice than Thief imho. It's in the Safari Zone on the route to the secret house.
Quick tip: if you set up a substitute, it will block the intimidate as well as other annoying status such as Scary Face, Sleep Powder, etc. On Rival 6 and champion you can set up Substitute to block the Feather Dance, and then if you can keep it up you can also block the intimidate from Gyarados. I think Pidgeot could have won this at a much lower level, like ~75, if you had Substitute.
Pidgeot is my favorite Pokémon thank you for making this video!!!
I'm sure someone's already told about this, but try taking the Substitute move tutor into account more. It blocks both Intimidate and Status Moves, which really helps you against stat drops.
I know there are better flying types. But as a kid I got Yellow Version for my 8th birthday. I was mad that i didn't get to choose my starter. And Pikachu was impossible to use against Brock. So my first pokemon that I got by choice was Pidgey. And Pidgeot was my firt level 100.
I will one day tattoo this bird onto me.
Physical attackers have it so rough in FRLG with all the Intimidate users and the rival's Pidgeot almost always starting with Featherdance.
Not to mention Intimidate, the Champion is going to be a massive problem for any physical attackers going up against his Arcanine Gyarados team.
Koga could also cause problems with his Acid Armor Muk.
( I just realised that you brought up Intimidate in your original comments, oops ^_^" )
So I’m sure you probably know this by now, but just in case you don’t, you can get leftovers by checking in the spot where snorlax was!
Edit: Nevermind, that requires the itemfinder, sorry.
You can find things without the itemfinder
@@christianhanel2129For some reason you can’t pick up the left overs w/o itemfindee
I love it both Raichu and Pidgeot fall into my top 10 favorite gen 1 Pokemon.
They are also guilty pleasures of mine in the sense that even knowing that they are not good, I will be a good chunk of the time trying to incorporate one or both of them into my team. 😅
Having both in a team isn't bad, Pidgeot is immune to Raichu's only weakness and has feather dance to make that ground move useless. While Pidgeot is sometimes irrelevant Raichu is actually good at doing his job which is spam tbolt/twave on anything that isn't immune to those, tbh it's the only reason you want an electric type other than being a great defensive typing.
Steel wing will be super valuable in this run.
Yep. If only Scott thought so ;)
Oh man 😂😂😂
Gen II brain means Scott thinks of Steel Wing as the TM you get right before Red, when it's much more obtainable in every subsequent game and very vital as a coverage move for Flying types. also since it has a small chance to buff defense, it's not JUST coverage.
though I don't know why you wouldn't just obsessively go over a moveset for a solo challenge and map out the use value of every single move the Pokemon can learn. That feels like it would have cut the reset counter in half, if Scott had done that properly.
forgetting about Steel Wing is really weird to me, because I would always use it for coverage on my Swellow in the Hoenn games, and I would always consider it on any regional bird that could learn it as an option if my birb had to fight a Rock type at any point. I also wonder if it would be possible to use Thief to hunt for good held items, or if that would be considered unfair. however, most Pokemon can learn Thief, so I feel like it's a strategy available to any Fire Red Pokemon.
it's really unfortunate Pidgeot doesn't have an attack boosting move in this game.
The reason for the speed EVs are the Pidgey and Ratatta lines you often face
13:58 I'd call it an "oversight" more than anything, since all the separate parts are working as intended (wild pokemon can be escaped from with doll, can use items in battle, etc...) but they just forgot to add a special interaction to that one unique instance
I think oversight it is the best way to refer to it, yes - but I personally like "shortcut", since I think the idea of calming Marowak's spirit with a Poke Doll is rather charming.
@TeIeg-ram-ScottsThoughts perish, vile thing
I believe u should have used steel wing against the rock ground types!
Why get rid of wing attack if it has the same power and more pp than aerial ace?
I want to say that you should preemptively ban substitute in all your challenges. The AI cannot figure out how to deal with it. Sub is even more powerful than double team because it will trivialize any battle.
Love this new challenge!
Until this days, one of my favorite bird pokemon.
Precise EV tracking could become one of the most important optimizations in gen3 games and beyond. You might find yourself needing to skip certain trainers or only grinding against specific wild Pokémon to better control the final spread by end game.
Everytime you say pigeotto I can't stop thinking of the girl who described all men's haircuts as pigeotto style.
No matter what the game says, the chance of poison point taking effect is a solid 80%
Could Champion Pidgeot be forgoing Featherdance because your level is so high that a single Featherdance isn't changing the number of hits it can take before fainting? Might see it as a waste of using it if you will still KO it in the same number of hits at -2
Wouldn't feather dance & steel wing have been good against rock types to weaken their attacks or have a super effective move against rock types
My very first playthrough was with a level 7 Pidgeotto from Veridian Forest. Thing carried me all the way through the elite four and a pokémon yellow. Great times
How, that thing sucked bawlz in yellow. No return, fly is kinda garbage
Maybe OP was a grinder?
@@iantaakalla8180 he said it carried him through, I can't imagine that's thing carrying anything. Kadabra carry, starmie carry, this thing though?
@@zenitfan4lifechildlike overlevelling combined with a reasonably high crit chance due to decent speed?
@@samrushin2476 I mean, if he got it to lvl 90+ then maybe
So many fights where a Thief would have stolen a berry and made Scott’s life easier.
Thief on Dragonite would have been a Galaxy Brain move
Yup.
* sees Scott name Pidgey BIRDJESUS *
Ah, I get the reference!
These fire red videos have been like a redemption arc for Bruno. You're gonna have to turn Bruno tier to Giovanni tier or something lmao
Absolutely, Giovanni got nerfed into the ground compared to Yellow - a massive reversion from his difficulty there and possibly a step down from Red and Blue due to not even having a Rhydon.
Honestly always sad to see Giovanni be easy, like - this is the guy who is supposed to rival the Elite Four, values strength above all else, and runs a criminal organisation so surface-level effective that they stormed the headquarters of a (presumably massive) corporation like Silph Co and had the entire building under lockdown. (Shout out to the Pokemon Origins anime for making Giovanni actually be a threat to Red.)
On the other hand, it ironically sells the fact that a random eleven-year-old can defeat Giovanni. If he was able to control Silph, then it is very obvious that a majority of Kanto trainer in FireRed/LeafGreen suck, so only you, the determined PC, can defeat Giovanni. Besides, the Kanto Elite 4/Champion are not that strong, are they? They are certainly not as easy as Kalos, but they are not the Sinnoh League.
Fly would have helped with dodging the feather dances, but not much Pidgeot can do to deal with intimidate
Hey Scott I just found out that the first Venomoth TCG card actually has a poke power that allows it to change types. It's not related to this vid but I thought it was really cool and I don't have much time until I forget to say it altogether.
Nvm it was relevant to this video, the meme just gets moved from Koga to Sabrina
haven't watched yet, but this'll be interesting for sure. i never used a pidgeot until i stumbled into a shiny in LGPE that i instantly added to my team. since it was LGPE, i went out of my way to get it a bunch of stat-boosting candies and power it up to a degree far beyond that of any of its teammates. it was still the worst pokemon on my team by a longshot.
I really think Pigiot needs a 2nd playthough regardless
Scott could you elaborate on how the name Terry would influence his natures because it intrigues me as a game devolper
That also caught my attention, the letters in rival's name have some influence on this ... ? If you find something mate help me too :D
Thief is something u can use on every trainers/pokemon with sitrus berries to get more health and also take away their healing
That's what I thought in the battle against Lance's Dragonite!
This pokemon will forever be a disappointment. I'm sure it'll do alright here, but it's just always a drag whenever i use it (which is way too much)
Good. God.
Pidgey Evolution line is THE haircut trendsetter line.
Glad i saw this as a member exclusive and as a normal video
3:15 which mind you was due to user error.. I wanna see a redo of Pikachu line, however keep brick break and replace dig with rest
Go Bruno
geez, that was painful. Kudos to your stamina/stubborness, I certainly wouldn't have finished playing this one
Birb
15:35 Sure that's because you trained A LOT for brock. Rattata, Weedle, Pikachu, Spearow and Pidgey give 1 speed EV, Caterpie HP, Metapod and Kakuna Defense; Better to train on route 22 because Mankey gives attack.
Some gens are quite prone to give certain EV training, in the Jotho and Kanto remakes it's speed, Hoenn HP, in B/W and sequels attack, in gen 4 it's route dependant; almost never special attack due to how early game used to be designed (Mostly simple debuffs and the normal trifecta, with your starter using special moves). Also, Fighting dojo gives attack so remember it next time, that you have to prioritize good effort values if you need to grind. In terms of special attack the ghosts and erica's gym is usually the best place.
Ok apologies for the second comment. Either your Speed stat calculator is broken, or your Pidgey had a Speed-lowering nature. There's no way to get a level 5 Pidgey with only 9 Speed and a Hardy nature. Also, as others have mentioned, you don't have perfect IVs here. A Hardy Pidgey at level 5 with 31 in all IVs has stats of 20, 11, 10, 10 ,10, 12.
Level 44 Pidgeot: Loses twice to Koga, including once where the first Pokémon took it out, and then loses to one of his gym trainers attempting to level up for a rematch.
Level 45 Pidgeot: Takes no damage from Koga's first three Pokémon and easily wins. 😂
Yes, the winning battle did have much better luck than the losing ones, but also, it _really_ was a crucial damage rounding threshold for turning a low-percentage OHKO (looking at some of those, it looks like a "medium roll" wasn't enough to OHKO, only a high roll) into a sure thing.
Scott, when you do Pokemon like Farfetchd or Marowak, are you going to run through their playthrough with their unique item equipped? Especially Farfetchd's Stick.... I feel like they need them to be viable.
Keeping quick attack would have prevented couple resets.
Rather than judging your play, can I just say how much I hate “attract”? Not only are the mechanics of the move annoying. But even as a kid I thought it was weird that you could only attract Pokémon of the opposite sex. And yes it is sex because gender makes even less sense. They are animals.
I see you named him birdjesus. I hope that you know the real Jesus that died for your sins brother. It is very important these days. The God of the Old Testament sent His Son who was with him from eternity backwards to the earth to live as a perfect servant healing and preaching... Then He died in one of the most brutal ways one could die. That was what we all deserve. It is written if you hate someone in your heart you are guilty of murder. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Jesus died the death we all deserved. And He did that to show that even our sin cant stop Jesus from loving us. Because He rose again. He laid down His life for the sheep. See and believe on Yahusha Jesus the Christ. God does not wish for anyone He made to go to hell. Pray. Repent. Believe on Jesus. He saved me wretched sinner that I am. He can save you too. I am just a begger telling others where I found bread. May YHWH bless you. See you in the clouds, He is returning soon I believe. You dont want be here for the tribulation. It's a 7 year span where God pours out His wrath on a Christ rejecting world....
Would Mirror move - Outrage have been a better play? Would also have worked for Bruno using Rock tomb to allow counter control his speed on his onix? Maybe the Bruno stuff isn’t as good
Scott: (...) today I'm gonna beat Pokemon FireRed with the Pidgey line.
FireRed: _so you have chosen death_
7:42 It is SO weird seeing gust as a flying type move and whirlwind as normal, not just because they are both normal in Gen 1 but logically how is a gust flying but a whirlwind isn’t? Game Freak is so freaky when it comes to logic lol.
I still love Pidgeot, and I'm always happy to see it being used!
Wing Attack, Sand Attack, Quick Attack, Thief. This may just be the “bird-iest” move set I’ve ever seen 😂
Im actually upset by this, Pidgeot is one of my fav first gen Pokemon, u could have did Pidgeot so much better, this is coming from watching ur other play throughs. specially the purposely being stubborn on the rests.
Steel Wing (safari zone) could have made your life so much easier in this run.. it was painful to watch you using Thief istead of it. Will you do a Re-run someday? xD
So since you named Pidgeot “Bird Jesus”, will you be naming Rattata Jay Leno or DigRat? He should have a much better run than Pidgeot.
I will always defend the Pidgeot line as the best bird in Kanto. Fearow is a glass cannon great for solos, but not for team play since there are a lot better physical attackers. FarFetch’d requires Swords Dance to be set up and it’s not as broken as Gen 1. Pidgeot is just the ultimate team player for a flyer. It does need steel wing for coverage or it’s definitely going to be trash in a solo run with the rock types.
This combined with Pidgey's Gen 1 results makes me a bit Concerned as to the plausibility of unevolved mons in the remakes, full stop.
I remember in a play through of fire red I found a shiny zubat, so I used it for a while and then around level 30 my Goliath started to evolve buuuuut of course in fire red you can't do stuff like that until you get the national dex.
I was so mad I just boxed golbat.
When I played Yellow version for the second time I wanted to use something other than the Pikachu so I decided to play through the entire game with the Pidgey I caught on the first route. I wasn't playing a challenge run or anything, I just loved birds cause I had pet birds at the time. I ended up finishing the game with my Pigeot and it has been one of my favorite Pokemon since. I've come to realize I'm a lot more critical of the Pokemon I use in recent generations than I was back then, I think there's just something about being an innocent child on an adventure unaware of things like DVs, just wanting to win with your favorites regardless of how good they are that gets lost when you get older.
I swore Early Bird was a pidgey line ability and that would help so much for rest strats to help it fill the role as the bulkier of the early bird archetypes.
So much about the Pidgey line sounds cool but its just done so dirty. At least its Mega really helped for the few games it existed in
7:29 Scott obviously doesn't fight enough setup sweepers if he thinks Roar is trash / doesn't know about entry hazards spam + Roar
Seems like everyone is saying Steel Wing, but I'm partway through the Lance fight and hoping you use Thief to steal his Sitrus Berry at some point
I've always loved the pidgey line, but recognize that dodrio was better. Fearow will always be my fave gen 1 bird though
Starraptor laughing in the background. I’d love to see that Pokémon in this game especially once it gets close combat.
Nigh immediately Whirlwind came to mind; here's me posting in the first eight minutes wondering whether a subsequent run would hold on on evolving until one level later to get Whirlwind that much quicker.
I gotta say, if there is a respectable place to get reset walled.. the Nidoking/Nidoqueen at Viridian gym is a respectable place to struggle with a birdo
The pokedoll skip in my opinion is not an exploit, I recall years and years ago watching a youtuber who decompiled the code and that somewhere in the code there was a comment indicating that the pokedoll had this interaction. The comment was generic enough that you couldn't really tell if they were documenting it, or just pointing it out, but in any case, at least one of the devs knew about the interaction before the game shipped, so to me that sounds intentional.
I genuinely think an argument could be made for slow runs to route in catching 30 mons to get the item finder for lefties, especially if you also have to with Substitute
Dude against the elite 4 hiker, why no try like protect or fly. Can avoid some of the speed move and also hit Machamp. Is shity to leave on moveset but say use fly rest return sleep
After finishing this video, i have to say, pidgey line needs a redo. You can do so much better. Use steel wing earlier and youll save so much time and frustration
Intimidate has such a huge effect on physical attackers in these solo challenges that I wonder if it's worth making a rule change to minimize this. Otherwise I just don't see physical attackers having good results unless they have an ability that counters it
Substitute is absolutely amazing for solo challenges for this reason. Any physical attacker facing the Venusaur team gets -2 from intimidates from Gyarados/Arcanine. Substitute solves that problem and every line except Unown, Wobbuffet and Ditto can learn it. (Smeargle needs an opponent to use it... so it may be unrealistic to learn, even if it technically can be sketched.)
Hyper Cutter exists. So does Clear Body.
@@shadowtitanx3962 "unless they have an ability that counters it"
Shouldn't Thief have let you steal the Sitrus Berry, and potentially use it, thereby helping lower your time?
what if you would had used steel wing in your moveset ? Maybe It would knock out the rock types fastter and
easier.
You can't let tamer Edgar in Koga's gym play you like that without defeating him! Lol
I feel like you should have done the Eevee Trio next cause they are the other “main starter” But that’s also 3 play throughs so I see why you wouldn’t at the same time
Were you so tired of earthquake you just had to use a flying type after doing Raichu, or was that a coincidence? 😂😂
Why didn't you just use Steel Wing from the start instead of sticking with Secret power? 🤔
@Scott's thoughts
The rival refuses to use sand attack because of your pigeot having keen eye 😅
Excited for the Rattata playthrough even though I'm sure it was a pain for you to do.
my first level 100 was a Pidgot..... my friends hated me cuz of it lol
NGL, that Whirlwind strat against Brock was secretly genius.
I honestly hate how overly common intimidate is in gen3, especially with mandatory trainers
You can also steal the sitrus berry from the dragonite to keep on surviving after resto chesto.
Geez, that was harder than I expected... appreciate the TPP reference though.
That first Pidgey had bad stats. I thought you always gave them max ivs?
Bird Jesus has appeared
Also u should have gave it adamant nature as u are no using any special attack
Can you use Theif at the champion to steal the Sitrus berry after you use the Chesto Berry?
Not bad but what about steel wing for the rock types and get rid of thief during the mid to late game
44:05 Don't blame Pidgeot, most of this was your fault :P