Economy & Society of Rohan and Dale - Lord of the Rings Lore DOCUMENTARY
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Wizards and Warriors animated fantasy documentary lore video series on the world of Middle-Earth - Lord of the Rings universe continues with a video on the economy and society of the Northerners of the human race - the kingdoms of Rohan and Dale.
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ever going to do a series on battletech? so much stuff there to work with!
Nice video
I hope we'll see these sorts of economic and society videos for the Elder Scrolls as well.
Yes but I was thinking more along the lines of the various wars like the war of the red diamond
Eomer truly was a great warrior as well as a Noble King
Worth noting that despite the Anglo-Saxon or Nordic appearence of buildings and names of the people of Rohan, the Cavalry culture of the Rohirrim is certainly more a kin to being Slavic than Scandinavian.
Not to mention the charge of the Rohirrim at the Pelennor Fields was inspired by the charge of the Winged hussars of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at the Battle of Vienna.
“Eomer ruled wisely and well”
Lmao
Yeah but now he The Butcher who is Named Billy. And he gives much and more to see his foe laid low.
At least i think so. Have not watched all yet
Hehe:
"Éomer became a great king, and being young when he succeeded Théoden he reigned for sixty-five years, longer than all their kings before him save Aldor the Old. In the War of the Ring he made the friendship of King Elessar, and of Imrahil of Dol Amroth; and he rode often to Gondor. In the last year of the Third Age he wedded Lothíriel, daughter of Imrahil. Their son Elfwine the Fair ruled after him.
In Éomer's day in the Mark men had peace who wished for it, and the people increased both in the dales and the plains, and their horses multiplied. In Gondor the King Elessar now ruled, and in Arnor also. In all the lands of those realms of old he was king, save in Rohan only; for he renewed to Éomer the gift of Cirion, and Éomer took again the Oath of Eorl. Often he fulfilled it. For though Sauron had passed, the hatreds and evils that he bred had not died, and the King of the West had many enemies to subdue before the White Treeh could grow in peace. And wherever King Elessar went with war King Éomer went with him; and beyond the Sea of Rhûn and on the far fields of the South the thunder of the cavalry of the Mark was heard, and the White Horse upon Green flew in many winds until Éomer grew old."
The Return of the King, LoTR Appendix A, Annals of the Kings and Rulers: The House of Eorl
Obviously Eomer was enjoying the trade contacts with Gondor and new era of peace and prosperity in the Westlands :).
"...and he was a good friend"
I've read that another inspiration for the Battle of the Pelennor Fields could be the Battle of Vienna (1683) due to the similarities between the fictional battle and the ride of the elite Polish cavalry to relieve beleaguered and besieged Vienna from the Ottomans. Tolkien may very well have blended several battles for inspiration, just as he did the origins of Minas Tirith, the Northmen, and so on.
The winged hussars!
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Which made up only 3.000 out of the roughly 18.000 cavalry (12.000 Polish and 6.000 HRE) involved.
Is there going to be a video on the economy of Mordor or Haradrim or Rhun etc?
Delightful!! Loving all those references from the professor's letters. Waiting for the economy of Mordor!
I like the deep dives into the economies of these fictional places and cultures. I didn't think many of these were more complex than the typical feudal systems many would expect from fantasies.
Fascinating. I love to see the specific connections and inspirations Tolkien drew from history. Is there any way we could get a look at the tribes of the Easterlings (Rhun, Balchoth, Wainriders, and Variags) and their inspiration from history? Thank you so much.
The Easterlings are mostly inspired by the semi-nomadic people’s and very much like them they are less civilized and more engaging in chiefdoms rather then kingdoms. They harassed Rome and its allies during the dark ages such as the Huns, Mongols, Pechenegues, and... they are likely the most greatest source of inspiration for these cultures.
The Haradrim are likely a mix inspiration between berbers and Carthagians since the charge of the Mumakil in the pelenor fields greatly reminds me all the time of Hannibal’s invasion of Rome.
I've always felt the easterlings are based off of the various iranian people, they weren't a united people so I've always envisioned them being a mix of very tribal societies and more centralized clans that were more advanced we the "west" realize.
Of the Easterlings we hear the most about the Wainriders, and Balchoth, these nomadic or semi nomadic tribes who managed to build their own empires of sorts, conquering other peoples and expanding into new lands, Wainriders apparently were the more numerous and better armed than other previous tribes that attacked Gondor in early Third Age. Wainriders owe their name to the great wains or wagons they used, their chieftains had rode chariots into battle, they could build fortified camps using their wains, but also seem to have build some more stable settlements, they would require some proper metallurgy knowledge for producing their weapons and armor. One can expect that they would have rich material culture, in a way one can compare them to the Scythians, who also used chariots.
"The Wainriders were a people, or a confederacy of many peoples, that came from the East; but they were stronger and better armed than any that had appeared before. They journeyed in great wains, and their chieftains fought in chariots. Stirred up, as was afterwards seen, by the emissaries of Sauron, they made a sudden assault upon Gondor ... in 1856."
The Return of the King, LoTR Appendix A, Annals of the Kings and Rulers: Gondor and the Heirs of Anárion
In time they conquered and enslaved parts of Rhovanion and it's peoples, the Northmen, these slaves were probably big part of their economy, though no doubt just like the nomadic Scythians the Wainriders would have similar economy, based on nomadic or seminomadic animal breeding and herding (horses, cattle, and sheep). Wealth, especially in the case of the Scythian aristocracy, was acquired in wars and pillaging raids and through the slave trade with the Greeks from around the Black Sea, but in case of Wainriders, they would probably trade with their neighbors that is Variags of Khand and Haradrim, indeed at one point they had wars and feuds but also alliances and contacts with those other peoples!
"In the meanwhile the Wainriders licked their wounds and plotted their revenge. Beyond the reach of the arms of Gondor in lands east of the Sea of Rhun from which no tidings came to its Kings their kinsfolk spread and multiplied and they were eager for conquests and booty and filled with hatred of Gondor which stood in their way. It was long however before they moved. On the one hand they feared the might of Gondor and knowing nothing of what passed west of Anduin they believed that its realm was larger and more populous than it was in truth at that time. On the other hand the eastern Wainriders had been spreading southward beyond Mordor and were in conflict with the peoples of Khand and their neighbours further south. Eventually a peace and alliance was agreed between these enemies of Gondor and an attack was prepared that be made at the same time from north and south."
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"But it was not so. The Wainriders had mustered a great host by the southern shores of the inland Sea of Rhun strengthened by men of their kinsfolk in Rhovanion and from their new allies in Khand. When all was ready they set out for Gondor from the East moving with all the speed they could along the line of the Ered Lithui where there approach was not observed until too late. So it came to pass that the head of the army of Gondor had only drawn level with the Gates of Mordor (the Morannon) when a great dust borne on a wind from the East announced the oncoming of the enemy vanguard. This was composed not only of the war-chariots of the Wainriders but also of a force of cavalry far greater than any that had been expected…."
I get the feeling that the men of the west are the men of Christendom/Western Civilization. And the East are the Muslims/Pagans
rohan is one of the most sufferd kingdoms of middle earth. by both sides.. from modor and isengard. anyway it survives and flouirshed in fourth age. economy in middle earth one of my fav . brilliant video.
I do always love these videos on fictional economics. It build the world so well to think of that most unifying of force: money. It’s too bad we don’t know much about the kingdoms and economies of Nosgoth, like Willendorf, or Kain’s Empire, or the realm of the Nemesis. So few Soul Reaver lore videos around.
Wtf is soul reaver
@@thegamingwolf5612 that question brings me more sadness than you probably think.
@@Anglomachian sorry xD
@@Anglomachian but I legit have never heard of it xD
@@thegamingwolf5612 Soul Reaver is one of the 5 Legacy of Kain series of games, but the one that is usually most remembered. A much neglected but genuinely awesome game series quite close to my heart.
I'm rather hoping these guys might make a video about it.
Love the art of Meduseld.
If I remember right then there it is said that the dwarves may have killed Fram for his insult, a reason for the distrust against dwarves we see when Eomer met Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas first.
Eomer had to fight for Gondor for many years and in far distant lands (until he become old in age), since the brave Haradrim and Easterlings fight on even long after Sauron was defeated. I guess a lot of the men of Rohand found their end in far Harad and the East.
I love this series about the economy&society of the Middle Earth. It show so much details which are not as easy to access as the battle descriptions but are as fascinating i. m. o.
If the last picture in this video is a hint - can I hope that you will also focuss on the society&economy of some of Saurons followers: Orcs, Haradrim etc? That would be fantastic...😀
Tolkien's metaphors were deep and multifaceted. Nothing ever had to be just one thing. Gondor could be Italy and Constantinople at the same time, as well as Britain in WWII, Baghdad facing Hulagu, the Kingdom of Gondar in what is now Ethiopia. Rohan could be both the Ostrogoths, the Kievan Rus, the Soviet Union, and any number of other peoples and places. Heck, if the Dwarves could be both creatures of Scandinavian myth and Jews at the same time, you know the metaphors are deep. The only group, I think, that can only be one thing are the Hobbits, and that's because they are already universal as the representation of the common folk of the world, upon whose backs the burden of every war is carried.
You fucking get it mate a true Tolkien fan and no doubt student of him as well love it
Dalemen and Rohirrim brought to life, thank you
You do an amazing work guys :)
Awesome, thanks for this. Keep up the series 👏
I like how you talk about the Northmen of Dale and Rohan, could you also make a video about them including the Woodmen and Beornings?
After this, would you be willing to do a LotR series on the First Age considering how many different important events occurred during that era
Would be cool to see this too, given that the War of the Ring is wrapping up.
Another great video. Until next time.
It would be very nice if you do those videos about the haradrim, khand, the orcs and so on too. Would be very helpfull for artists and games mod makers
Wonderful video!🗡🏹🐉
just in time for breakfast big thanks to your team for producing quality content!
The races and kingdoms of Middle-Earth are inspired by our own cultures, this is pretty well known especially with the Rohirrim, but I did not know that real world battles inspired the battles of Middle-Earth.
The Catalaunian Plains inspiring Pelennor Fields is uncanny, I wonder what other battles inspired those in Tolkien’s works.
Can you do a series of the economy of a song of ice and fire?
We want to see a series on Silmarillion, and later Unfinished Tales
In effect, Rohan was a foedorati of Gondor.
you mean vassel?
Could you please do a video on the Battle of Autobot City?
You can see the influence of the movies in this, with all the depictions of Rohan being amongst the mountains with ice and snow. It's one of the biggest mistakes the movie makes. According to Tolkien Rohan was a sea of grass perfect for horse riders, similar to the great plains of north America or the steppes of Russia and Mongolia. It was also far to the south of the shire (which was based on rural england) and had a correspondingly warmer and mild climate.
Very interesting! I really like these economic videos!
Can we have an economy and society of Mordor video?
Does battletech universe also get a chance to appear on your channel?
Can you do videos on Rhun and Haradwaith?
Gondor could be Italy , Rohan could be the Saxons / Germanic Goths and maybe the Dunlendings with the Celtic tribes . I wonder what we would associate the Mirkwood Elves and Iron hill dwarves with .
Gondor was explicitly mentioned to resemble the Byzantine Empire, the Rohirrim were most definitely Saxons with the cavalry tradition being more slavic, and the Dunlendings are most definitely not at all resembling the Afghan tribes.
The Elves and dwarves all had their own unique cultures, not too heavily influenced by the real world to have a direct analogue like with the human realms
Hmm... and here I was, thinking that Minas Tirith was Vienna, Rohan Poland and Mordor the Ottomans...
If this channel decided to Economy and Society series on Star Wars species, this channel's team might have to spend a lifetime covering the details about them.
Theoden,now that's a man i can call King.
Please explain why you won't be making anymore elderscrolls videos their is so much more to cover the war of the red diamond and Cameron the usurper the formation of the skyrim empire and so much more to explore I just don't understand why you said in your latest elderscrolls vid that it would be your last
Do first age videos!!
interesting
Now we know the importance of the Westfold before it fell.
What was Throdrin's tax policy?
nice vid
Could you do the battle of sudden flame?
battle of dale please
Long live King Bard II
Lake Town kinda reminds me of Venice IRL.
11:57 IMPOTENT not important, it makes a massive difference to the meaning of what Tolkien is saying. Also there are no shieldmaidens in Gothic sagas, so that's not where the inspiration for Eowyn comes from.
Gondor was a lot luckier with its horse-riding neighbors to the north than the Romans were. The Bulgars were the eternal frenemies of the Medieval Roman Empire.
not frenemies, enemies
Is Dorf and acceptable way of saying dwarves? Second English speaker here.
Tolkien was no economist but even he knew that men need materials.
I thought their economies were geared towards light manufacturing and finance. Shows what I know!
"Much like the Ostrogoths, the Rohirrim were a mounted culture." What? The Ostrogoth were at no point in their history a "mounted culture".
Most of the Roman cavalary was made up of Ostrogoth recruits
@@theawesomeman9821 indeed.
@@theawesomeman9821 Man, most of the late roman army was recruited from germanic warriors. Do you have a source for your claim?
@@badgerz2587 watch the Evolution of the Roman Army by Kings & Generals on UA-cam.
The Goths settled in Italy and Spain where their modern descendants are today
Do Orcs!
That king kill a dragon. He is entitled to keep the treasure hoard.
So if Gondor is Byzantine does that mean Mordor is the Ottomans?
Mordor is Mordor, and Gondor is not Byzantine, it was inspired by various cultures and places like Venice for Pelargir And Italy for the whole and yes in some ways Byzantine architecture. Mordor is not inspired by an actual culture, it has no native Denizens cuz all the residents are Orks and worse that are gathered there from all across ME, Mordor name is inspired by the Old Norse verse meaning land of murder or where evil things occur. Also the most organic thing in Mordor is mount Doom and Tolkien said he was inspired by the mount Tripoli in cicily and the whole of Mordor. Also both Isengard and Mordor stand as icons of industrialization that can attach itself to any country.
Not once has he compared Mordor with Turkey or any other place. It’s just shapes in the clouds nothing more.
Better than the rings of power.
just wait
Does your narrator know Gondorians took Sindarin Elven names and that all C's are pronounced hard in Sindarin? There is no Gondorian King named Narmasil.😂
You know, a bit of an odd thought struck me as I was watching you talk about Smaug.
He piled up all the gold and jewels 'as was the way of dragons' but uh... The great majority of that treasure was in forms meant to be small for men and dwarves. Not exactly something that a dragon's claws can get an easy grip on. And we all know that a dragon would not want to let any of his possible wealth escape his sight, thus it all needs to be piled up in one place. So how on Middle-Earth does he actually MOVE all that treasure there without leaving coins and gems scattered all over the place in corners and the like?
I mean, in other fantasy settings there's usually the explanation of the dragon having mortal helpers (conscripted or not depends on the specific setting and dragon breed) but Smaug and his kind are a tad too bloodthirsty and untrusting for that to happen. Yet unlike the other fantasy settings where the same is the case, magic is a comparatively subtle thing in LotR even if exceptionally powerful in said subtle ways. So there's no telekinesis or shapeshifting into a mortal form thus allowing Smaug to move it around.
So what's the solution?
Don't forget the Charge of the Hussars, during the Siege of Vienna (1683). It was also an inspiration for the Charge of the Rohirrim at the Battle of the Pelenor Fields.
Even though most people make this comparison, and it really looks like it too. But neither Tolkien nor his critics ever made any comparison of this sort. The only battle they compared with this was the Battle of western Rome along with their Gothic allies and King Theodric (Theoden) agains the Huns and Atiila’s forces.
Like both battles, Theodric and Theoden both die here.
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Not to be rude, but might I inquire to the status of any Warhammer 40k content?
I know you’ve got about a thousand videos to work through to just hit the popular stuff, and it is called “wizards and warriors,” but you also said sci fi, and it’s been pretty fantasy only so far.
Fantasy warhammer just doesn’t resonate with me on anywhere near the same level. Weird I know. If there were some of the Horus heresy or Cadia, that would be neat. I dunno.
I know more about the setting mechanics than I do the events. I picked some rookie level stuff, I’m sure there’s a crazy amount of stuff to look at and a lot of it would be buried in novels.
Just looking for a general vibe, like “planned,” “pre-production,” “~I’ll never tell~,” that sorta thing.
Hopefully SiFi doesn't just mean Star Wars. there's enough star wars and LotR content out there
Rude!
So beautiful people is not an economy?
Make series for World of Warcraft pls !?!?
USE RISE OF MORDOR
Whoever removed the "H" from Calenardhon ought to be severely reprimanded. The name Calenardhon is pronounced using the ð sound or th. Dumbing down Tolkien is sacrilege. I thought only Amazon was capable of such evil. 😡
TLOTR fans trying not cry about George R. R. Martin in the comments challenge: failed again
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Rohan =Hussars
On your face G.R.R Lazy
There's always the same guy that thinks the 100th old Martin diss is clever.
No, it isn't
@@balabanasireti J R R Martin is overrated though, when Prime Ministers of the UK mention Game of Thrones in their speeches, you know his writing is for the casuals
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