DISTURBING new Protoss strategy. StarCraft 2
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
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I love watching Dark because you can tell he's just freestyling it almost always. He plays games against other Top 10 players like it's a fkn diamond ladder match. No respect, just drags the opponent into his battleground.
*If I don't have a plan, they'll never know my plan*
My thing is, I enjoy the game less and less the more that I don't/can't freestyle it after the first couple minutes. High diamond is my happy place.
@ManDuderGuy I agree, it's like chess. Sure, I could get a book and study some openings and play at 1600 and play the same 15 move start every time... but fuck it. I play to have fun. Disorder in games is fun.
@@kylebroussard5952 if you play the right opening, mainly "open" openings vs closed openings, you'll get that kind of game more often, but besides that I agree with you completely
@@kylebroussard5952 Yeah, that's why I never liked high-level chess; goes from a game of strategy to a game of memorization. Though I did enjoy one game with my cousin, who was very into chess and played competitively, where I ended up winning because he was so used to playing the formulaic matches that my primate strats just confused the hell out of him xD
Hero’s disturbing new strategy: forgetting about the existence of lings
Give toss a door and its fixed
And you din't have, uh... Sentries?
Edit: it's like in the campaign hello?
I like seeing these series that include some of the lesser known top players, it really shows the difference in skill between a top 200 player and a top 20 player, makes you appreciate those serral vs clem matches a bit more 😂
I love when one of these drops literally as I walk in the door from work! Time to snuggle in for some entertainment.
Huh. Working the night shift I assume?
@@MonochromaticPrism timezones brother
For the door thing for Protoss, there is an even easier fix. Just have units with the "hold position" command active ignore the select all army hotkey
That's not that easy you know. I always F2 panic when my forces are overwhelmed.
And Protoss is always overwhelmed by bio units, it doesn't matter if we're talking about Zerg or Terran.
You will start lecturing me about Rallying my Robo or Stargate units, but that doesn't matter that much, you still have to be careful at the warp in cycles, Shift+no. them, micro your Templar, Disruptor or/and Sentries, all that during fight, and still macro behind it. You can't queue warpgate units.
And if you have blink stalkers in your army composition, because of course you do, it's not that easy, isn't it?
Of course it's easier to make fun, I mean what else can you do, right?
@@mihairo83 I understand that, but it should be pretty easy to code that in. If you are using hold command, its generally because you dont want the unit to move. So just have the game not select units that are holding position when you press F2. Then just make that a toggleable option in the settings. That should just be standard on any RTS where you can select every unit. I think by default it excludes workers, after all
Oh, that's very interesting.
I agree with that. Seems logical.
For e.g. when you hold position on your workers. You have to select them, hold position. Select them again, go back to mining. But we also have the Ctrl+F1 for non-mining workers which you can send back to mining.
Sentry Mode: Sentry creates a forcefield around itself that has no timer.
Sentry cannot move, attack, or cast spells, and is not subject to attack or spell damage, lifting, abduction, or possession while in sentry mode, but sentry can be picked up by friendly warp prism. Possible sentry vision limited to within forcefield footprint.
Forcefield can still be broken by massive units and corrosive biles, which automatically disengages Sentry Mode.
Perhaps call it Barricade.
Jimmy, where are we at?
this is jimmy
we're right here
In the comment section.
One Thousand! One thousand and 301 likes on this video, on this cast, on this series. And I‘ll cast another one.
And I’ll probably do it anyways
Can only like dark killing nasty p.
So Winter, I think your question for thelenght of the video is a very subjective one, for me I like watching your more long videos before getting to sleep, then stopping it just before sleeping and finishing it in the morning when I woke up with the hype of what I was seeing the night before and the curiosity of who's gonna win. Been doing it for years, so for me you can go whatever length you want and I'll always enjoy fully💪💪💪💪
Winter imitating Pensioner Queens never gets "old" .
10:34 winter Bonks a Probe 😂😂😂
17:05 damn that locust part was deep, philosophy even in sc2.. that's what i love to hear.
Protoss Door: gateway? you know... the door to the gate. could allow allied non-massive ground units to pass through.
That would be better than a supply depot. More health plus there is no “leaving it down”. How about Protoss just not F2? Or build your robo in the wall and do your warp ins outside it.
@@Lq323321) units shouldnt have to act as a wall
2) walls need to be up before a robo is involved
3) wall offs have been an important strategy since the 90s, maybe they could give Protoss a door like they gave the Terrans.
@@Lq32332how about the game promote strategy instead of econ and apm being overwhelmingly more important. The inability for protoss to build gates for their walls is straight up stupid game design lol
@@ninjabreadman22 Zergs don’t have gates. Only Terran does. How about use a good design strategy when building your Protoss base? Shield batteries and cannons also exist for those that don’t want to rely on APM.
@@Lq32332If that is your argument then let’s remove the ability of supply depots to collapse
The state of Protoss. . . 😔
I think Hero should go back to his select all army immune shield battery+probe door which he used exactly once, it's such a small investment later in the game.
Your door solution is so simple. I was thinking "maybe a pylon could be deactivated to allow anyone to pass through it (pylon becomes a "warping/warped" intangible pylon) so you have to sacrifice the adjacent buildings usefulness for defense, but of course that deals with a bunch of annoying collision. +1 vote for Sentry Mode haha
Yes. I agree that pylons should be the door. I think making them “lift” instead of “phase-shift” would be more fun. Could have consequences on base trades, if the opponent can’t shoot up.
7:00: BRUTAL! If not for the Stasis forcing the Lings back, that would have been the end of the game.
7:20-7:50: Real Will-They-Won't-They situation with these Lings.
16:05: Yeah... that reaction time is not gonna cut it against Locusts =o
20:00: It hurts so much 😭
23:20: Just like my Tesla!
29:00: Winter: "2 Pheonix is not enough." Pheonix: "Hold my mental beer."
31:15: That was SO bad... And, no, he did not kill "some Pheonix"... he killed 1 😵
32:20: Ooo, a piece o' Carrier
33:04: Larry the Lost really giving away the attack plans here.
1:01:40: Very nice.
1:02:00: These would be very nice if he took a couple steps back, but he stayed in range of the hydras on the other side.
I absolutely love a long series. I'd happily sit and watch for an hour and a half if it means I get to chill and enjoy some great commentary. Been watching pro casts since 2011, nothing entertains me quite as much as watching some good ol SC2.
thanks for making my day better Winter ! you are absolutely right at 38:00 it's the perfect lenght. i watch you every day at my lunch break at work
the Unorthodox vs the Unconventional
Like your idea Winter ❄️. Consider "Guardian Matrix" duration = 1 sec to 1 consumption of guardian energy, +2 armor (visual see science vessel defense matrix) unit immobile and can either be turned off or stops when guardian energy is @ Zero.
Could give sentries a baby forcefield - a channeled ability so cant cast, drains energy only a little faster than they regen
Basically a supply depot, not early enough to mess with ling charges, expensive enough that roaches arent *needed*, not obtrusive enough to hard stop anything bigger (lurker pushes)
I always enjoy the bonus games
There are three inevitabilities in life. Death, taxes, and Winter casting good games for the fans 😎
The mission accomplished moment of the probe kill was gorgeous xD
I really like it when commentator's describe things as if it were a radio broadcast.
I am ok with 50 min bonus video after the 5 min Dark ones
40-60 min is such a sweet spot
Winter: "Just make sure your headphones are on the right direction "
Me: "Haha definitely alot of idiots out there"
Also me: ::Tries to inconspicuously check my headphones are on right ::
This series has everything. Swarm host nydus. F2 hero open door. Winter casting. Thanks
Wait was there a 200k sub special? Congratz to winter btw
"Get off my creep!" INSTANT REPLAY @ 2:02
38:50 We need 4 hour videos. I always watch from start to finish because your videos make my day a lot better.
I was going to leave at 38mins and winter started to talk about the perfext video time lol stayed
I don't know why but i love seeing cannon rushes!!!
Just give Pylons phasing as a toggle so you can walk through them.
Why in the world is Dark running away at 49:31? It was Darks 48 supply against ReBellions 15 supply + 6 supply he just warped in. It really looks like he threw the game on purpose.
I listen to these while at work, the longer the video the better!
I appreciate the anti spoiler series so much, we get anti spoiler-ed and we get more Winter casting
they may have gone against each other a million times but its still great to watch them every time.
the economic cannon harass play took me to master rank 1 I started that build back in 2013 or so. I blink all in terrans and individually micro each stalker and protoss I cannon rush and they auto lose if cannon builds. If zerg defends well I get extremely greedy and go 8 gate robo sentry all in. 200/200 guardian shield/force fields blink micro.
winter I will forever be thankful to you for these videos
I thought there were a hero comeback because of video duration , so you got ne there @winterstarcraft and was nice 😊 . The rank 1 comentator in the world by winter... And its winter . Thanx for the vid was fun
It did make my day a little bit better. thanks
Banelings are acidic which should make them mainly sour rather than spicy or savoury.
Feet up, some sparkling water in hand, and WinterSc casting Dark/Hero, Can the day get any better?
Even if you never play and enjoy watching SC2 more than one hour a day - that's a true commitment. 😂
True. ❤
Thanks for the extra series
Why were you yelling? Because you're like a futbol announcer and it's amazing. Don't ever change.
Pylons should be able to “float up”. Creating a door. They should not provide power while they are up and they should be considered flying buildings while they are up as well
I remember suggesting that myself as well. Just lift the pylon. It will depower surrounding buildings if there aren't any pylons present.
I mean it's not that hard to do.
Terran buildings except PFs and add-ons can actually fly.
It would also solve the issue of Immortals getting stuck in the sim city. I lost games because of that.
I remember one time I simply killed my own Robo to let the Immortal out and built another Robo. That's stupid. For real.
@6:30 What is an Ultralisk if not a large Zergling?
Yes with the multiple series if those work for you UA-cam/algo wise, but still always prefer the long run videos.
I enjoy watching these casts on my lunch break. 40-60 is definitely the sweet spot for me. I still end up watching it all eventually regardless of length though. Especially true for games with Dark
My Dimond level MMR would appreciate "Sentry mode" in my door
Locusts don't have depressingly short lives. In fact, they are some of the only Zerg who ever die of old age 😂
Dark know that Protoss doors are weak because they don't have mouths.
Winter has a great read on content. Boomer knowledge beginning to kick in.
I look forward to seeing more rebellion. Pros need to canon rush more. It's risky, but it's an incredibly effective protoss opener if you don't go all in
Love your channel
This last build from Rebellion with Pig's build order would have made a deadly attack.
Rank #1 in the world by Dark, it's Dark. Lol
What if the sentry had …working title… sentry mode. I’m dead
Thanks jimmy for inviting me to watch
Can the protoss put a stasis trap at the gap in the wall, that way his units can flow through and no zerglings can get in
Or, for the door, shift or ctrl "hold" seperates that unit from all army hot key.
15:44 got me really good.
I watch dis videos while working my shifts, I can watch up to 8 hrs in a row no prob ;d
the bigest nerf to mootaaas was it thgat they cant longer morph?
comopared to BW or is there another reason?
say me please, what it is mod? i want play this
Was kinda hoping more than one game was going to be macro cannon rush.
Tonight, on a very special episode of Dark Always Wins.
Yay bonus series, I enjoy bonus series
Ive checked out his dronly fans.. it totally worth it ;)
I wonder if when you check watch time for your viewers. It even counts us clicking off, but coming back and finishing the video later. Most of the time i never finish these in 1 take its usually like 5-6 takes across a day or so.
Sentry mode should turn them into a force field.
Watching that probe die a horrible horrible death to those drones made my day.
Thank You
Om nom nom
Pulling a cannon rush on one of the best Zerg players in the world is absolute madness
Sir Richard, the first of his name, will answer the queen's call!
Does winter still do angry coach?
He did one recently with Serral, sort of. But they both are just such nice guys they really weren't too hard on anyone except themselves. It was still awesome though and fun to see before Serral goes off to his military service.
I like the hour long videos. Sure, make some 35-50 minute videos, but it would be a shame if I can’t sit down for an hour pluss and watch some good games for me (a fan)😅
Wait... isnt this what reynor did against harstem last week but with a nydus?
sentry mode... nice
as a zerg, i approve
I'm here for the clever segue
Always fun.
stalker projectiles should be a little faster. i think this is what toss needs
stalkers just suck too much in bigger balls and what are they supposed to make? 15 immortals? they need a spam unit and stalkers suck cuz they overkill everything
Why doesn’t anyone focus on o-lord killing?
All units should have a hockey to disable them from all army hot key. Problem solved.
the like goals are to damn low I am always too late to reach
Yay anti spoiler double feature show:)
Game 1 if those were voidrays rather than oracles at the end he could have easily dealt with all the zerglings.
lol no
I sense a great DISTURBANCE in the algorithm.
'festerados
Swarm hosts need to be debuffed. They can take out bases way too easily. I love it playing zerg but its so broken when you pop in and out not costing you units or rss.
Ranked 158 by who? ... was it Dark? 😂😀
The #1 player again? Yeah, its Dark. By any estimation made by Dark, anyways. Missed him.
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I like the idea of the bonus games. I accidentally tapped my screen and saw that there was still ages left on the video, so I just assumed Hero won that third game, so I sort of partially tuned out the rest of it; just waiting on the 4th game.
If I know there's bonus games at the end, sometimes, it removes that presumption and my brain won't tune itself out.
Will there be bonus games? Will there not?
I think it's a good change, Winter.
yey
Yur rad winter despite the fartz
I love the anti spoiler!