I think a really good anti cheating system would be that the non-hacker gets the freewin, meanwhile the game goes on, and without the hacker knowing, the other guy is replaced with a 9k mmr AI that just smokes him until he taps out with just a blank look on his face. A pro player would be most fun, but that’s hard to automate.
now I'm imagining a pro-player response force equipped with pagers. get called 3 am in the night to show another hacker what happens when you fuck around
I want Harstem to play some exhibition games against another pro where he has full vision and his opponent doesn't, to show us what a real pro with maphack would do.
I'd like to see this too. What does a pro player do with perfect information? Most understand the game well enough and how to scout that this may only be a minor advantage, but it'd be interesting.
@@markawilliams4860 It will still save you the resources needed to scout. The hacker in game was floating 600 gas because he didnt need sentries to scout, now imagine what a pro can do with 600 more free gas this early on + the amount of attention freed up from actively scouting.
And their MMR is artificially inflated from the maphack. If they played at a Master league level AND were maphacking, they would be placed in Grandmaster. I'm surprised Harstem doesn't get this, it's inevitable that a maphacker in Master league would play at a Platinum level
GGs Blutmilan! You played well against a cheater. Wish Harstem could ask Blizzard to give you your MMR back for that last game and get you double MMR for winning the first one!
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 a hack that tricks blizzard into thinking wins are hacks. I'm not sure the methods, it's just actually easy to infer that. Tie hacks. A hack for ties.
BGMWSS Idea: open with sentries, make multiple Phoenix hallucinations and once they get close to an enemy that shoots up, recall them so they think you're mass Phoenix/Stargate. Meanwhile, go something other than Stargate.
Idiot, it's cold "getting beaten by grandmaster when doing a god awfull mind game" why the hell whould someone believe such an awfull and non logic mind game!!??
1) The opponent scouting sentries immediately excludes stargate builds and phoenix hallucinations are super standard and 2) you can tell by the damage they take that they're hallucinations anyway also 3) opening phoenix does not in any ways imply mass phoenixes or multiple stargates. This basically has 0 chance of making someone fall for it. There is also no need to recall phoenixes anyway unless you're getting attacked at home and you need them fast, so that part is also just weird.
I want Blizzard to do the thing where cheaters get matched against cheaters, then keep the replays themselves. I want to see cheaters accusing each other of cheating. They are the fastest to make accusations. Seriously, if you get called a map hacker, watch the replay. There's a higher than average chance that the person calling you a hacker is a hacker.
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It's really nice to see Harstem happy and joyful, and giving compliments to Blutmilan, whom you can feel he's rooting for. Please send more replays like this !
how do you recover your ego, when u cheat , and loose anyways. i realy want to know how they manage to do that, because this is impressive. or are they so delusional that they don't realize how bad this is ?
Maphackers are usually several leagues down from the people they play with. Blutmilan is 5k GM I think, so the maphacker is probably Diamond or Masters at most.
@@hetaresgaming7771The matchmaking system must be the absolute best anti-cheat system possible. The fact that they maphack has already been factored in by the matchmaking system and everything else they do will just be so much worse than their opponents. For example how good is a silver league player if you give them the ability to see everything on the map? Diamond league? Okay then match them against a diamond player. 😂 Do they really have an unfair advantage at that point?
I was prepared to be furious for watching this video as I also got map hacker before, but not sure why I feel so calm after watching it as the captain comments on it lol
Hartstem, these video's are to me also one of the best of your content, just laughing my ass off nonestop, I love it! "finds them... mistargets the adept... xDDD Pure gold, thank you Kevin and the people who send u these replays.
I would love to see a series where pro gamers with full map vision take on multiple high ranked opponents! Let's see how someone with true skill can take advantage of map hacks.
I wonder what sc2 would look like if two pros both (knowingly) had maphacks. It would be weird because cheese wouldnt work but they would both constantly be trying to counter the other
Detective Harstem on the case once again! Love the diversity of content you put out. You might consider throwing in an analysis of egregious smurfing every once in a while. Like mediocre GMs beating up on low diamond players for kicks, which should absolutely be illegal. Could even play on IoDIS. Is this a smurf or do I suck? Although sorting through those replays sounds hellish. Delegate to Hamster?
You can't expect maphackers to have the same level of knowledge and nuanced thought process as players of the level they play against with. It's always poor decision making that is included, only reason why some even win is through sheer luck of exploiting counter builds if they have the braincells to do so. I always make it a rule that when maphackers are involved, it's always a level or two down the rank they currently have.
Even a map hacker who is good at hiding could never get away with it on a competitive level for long. At some point, you can only take the punches for so long before you react too early.
I played with map hacking for shits n giggles on custom games in wc3 back in like 2006 specifically on sheep tag just cause i was positive i was going against map hackers occasionally and i made sure not to abuse the info unless it felt like my opponents were also map hacking. Seeing somebody map hack and barely be skilled enough to beat the campaign is hilarious
I have a definite hack, no investigation needed (although I am sure it would be fun), however it is from heart of the swarm and I think old replays can't be watched any more or something? Maybe I should see if I can find it.
How about a deception game show, where you play a Bo3 against another pro, you get to have map hacks in one of the games, and they try to guess which game you maphacked?
It's so refreshing to see a content creator do a video like this and just call a duck a duck. So many people, especially in the CSGO/2 space, will do this and pussyfoot around what is obvious to anyone watching that isn't completely new to the game. They'll constantly make excuses for the cheater and say how they could possibly be legit and maybe just really lucky. The reason cheating is so rampant in online games nowadays is because everyone is so afraid of calling it out and accusing people no matter how blatant they are.
I have really old replays of a hacker who has been sniping me on ladder from 2 years ago, not sure if you wanna watch them, Harstem I'll assume you prefer replays from current patch?
whether its halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, grand theft auto 5, starcraft 1, warcraft 3, warhmmer 40k space marine or eternal crusade or chivalry or even sc2 melee skirmish, it doesn't matter what game you talk about, hacking has a way of bringing every bodies spirits down. I personally despise hackers that mess with game play. I only ever hacked games to learn how they worked, how to get non working ones working again, or for artisitc purposes. This is sad news indeed harstem. But alteast they fixed the arcade hack problem, so, one point for blizzard I guess.
I have like 5 or more replays in which I have encountered cheaters using maphack or a trick to get 200/200 with a single supply depot. But I don't know if Blizzard does anything to them when they reported them.
15:45 You can especially tell that he's a lower level player with map hacks because he's warping in only zealots and not using rapid-fire, he's manually warping each one. granted, I'm sure there are high level players who don't use rapid-fire warp-ins, but if so... why?
The hackers are sad people. Searching for "fame" or "accomplishment" with any means necessary. Which resorts to hacking because they are lazy, so they wont put in the work, and they are also bad at the game, but wanna pretend they are good. On the other hand: An idea for a mini-series: Can a "worse" progamer beat a top tier one if the worse one has MH? And try to figure out how much MMR mh actually gives?
it would be cool to have an event where you experiment with how much a maphack could actually do.Like the captain against a pro player with a skill level of a dark or clem etc... :D
I'm confused - if he's maphacking, wouldn't we see him panning to his opponent's base to see what's going on? Or does maphacking only show the minimap?
@harstem How do I submit a hacker replay to you? I recently played against a player that hacked 100% and didn't even hide it. But then why would he hide it. He created his account 2 days ago.
"The best build order to go if you're maphacking is 1-gate expand." "I'm always shocked by how little these maphackers try to hide the fact they are hacking." Okay now let's take those two statements together and use some critical thinking. What would someone at the high level look like who plays 1-gate expands only, and refuses to compete in LANs where hacking would be exposed. All while being known as one of the hardest players to harass because they always seem to have units in position.
Make it an own show. "Harstem Hunts Hackers"
Great idea!
triple H
"forcing fear upon fraudsters far and wide" - in a 50s radio news voice, of course.
Heil Harstem?
Hackstem
"Is It Imba or Does He Hack?" would be a sick series.
With guest appearance from Vladimir Kramnik.
"IT'S IMBA AND HE HACKS TOO! REPORTED!"
"Is it a Hacker or do I Suck"? ;)
@@c0rru exactly
With Chris Harstem?
I think a really good anti cheating system would be that the non-hacker gets the freewin, meanwhile the game goes on, and without the hacker knowing, the other guy is replaced with a 9k mmr AI that just smokes him until he taps out with just a blank look on his face.
A pro player would be most fun, but that’s hard to automate.
now I'm imagining a pro-player response force equipped with pagers. get called 3 am in the night to show another hacker what happens when you fuck around
Alphastar on it's way to destroy an entire map hackers army with 5 stalkers and 10000 apm
@@BamhagI was thinking more like Dark Souls Darkmoon Knights/Blue Sentinels that can toggle to "invade" or intercept a hacker's matchmaking queue.
I want Harstem to play some exhibition games against another pro where he has full vision and his opponent doesn't, to show us what a real pro with maphack would do.
100% this :)
I'd like to see this too. What does a pro player do with perfect information? Most understand the game well enough and how to scout that this may only be a minor advantage, but it'd be interesting.
@@markawilliams4860 It will still save you the resources needed to scout. The hacker in game was floating 600 gas because he didnt need sentries to scout, now imagine what a pro can do with 600 more free gas this early on + the amount of attention freed up from actively scouting.
Yes!
Is probalbly against ToS so I think we will never see it sadly. The risk of being banned if is an exhibition is probably too high
Of course map hackers play poorly. They never had to learn how to play well.
And their MMR is artificially inflated from the maphack. If they played at a Master league level AND were maphacking, they would be placed in Grandmaster.
I'm surprised Harstem doesn't get this, it's inevitable that a maphacker in Master league would play at a Platinum level
@@Crabzula Huh? What made you think he doesn't get this? Of course he does! And he eludes to it multiple times during this video
@@Crabzula Nah technically, Diamond 3 starts as low as
@@Crabzula 4:40
Remember you beat map hackers with multi-prong harassment. Map hackers have an APM and unit control many tiers lower than you.
Harstem whole heartedly laughing at the hacker is the best park of my day.
The toddler analogy was great. Truely brightening.
GGs Blutmilan! You played well against a cheater. Wish Harstem could ask Blizzard to give you your MMR back for that last game and get you double MMR for winning the first one!
He didn't even get mmr for the first game due to the tie-hack.
Could you please explain why that is? And what is tie-hack?@@mothrahlurker788
@@mothrahlurker788 wtf is a tie hack?
@@zachariastsampasidis8880 a hack that tricks blizzard into thinking wins are hacks. I'm not sure the methods, it's just actually easy to infer that. Tie hacks. A hack for ties.
BGMWSS Idea: open with sentries, make multiple Phoenix hallucinations and once they get close to an enemy that shoots up, recall them so they think you're mass Phoenix/Stargate. Meanwhile, go something other than Stargate.
Creative, but is it a viable build?
Idiot, it's cold "getting beaten by grandmaster when doing a god awfull mind game" why the hell whould someone believe such an awfull and non logic mind game!!??
Recalling hallucinations is one of the biggest brain strategies I've ever heard of. he has to try this!
1) The opponent scouting sentries immediately excludes stargate builds and phoenix hallucinations are super standard and 2) you can tell by the damage they take that they're hallucinations anyway also 3) opening phoenix does not in any ways imply mass phoenixes or multiple stargates. This basically has 0 chance of making someone fall for it. There is also no need to recall phoenixes anyway unless you're getting attacked at home and you need them fast, so that part is also just weird.
maybe hallucinate an oracle then "mismicro" to not get damage done?
I want Blizzard to do the thing where cheaters get matched against cheaters, then keep the replays themselves. I want to see cheaters accusing each other of cheating. They are the fastest to make accusations.
Seriously, if you get called a map hacker, watch the replay. There's a higher than average chance that the person calling you a hacker is a hacker.
Make this a series, please! Expose the hackers, how to find them in game, and how to recognize and counter their bad gameplay!
New cameo - skillchecking nerds with Dark's magic.
I KNEW this would be a good series. That Lancer investigation was legit fun as hell. Glad this is a thing now
I love watching the joy Harstem experiences as he sees a map hacker flailing in the game!
This is like just like one of those juicy catching a scam call center videos.
Harstem judging the quality of a play considering maphack knowledge is just the most hilarious thing
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It's really nice to see Harstem happy and joyful, and giving compliments to Blutmilan, whom you can feel he's rooting for. Please send more replays like this !
"The balls on this guy are so funny" -Harstem 2024 @12:08
how do you recover your ego, when u cheat , and loose anyways.
i realy want to know how they manage to do that, because this is impressive.
or are they so delusional that they don't realize how bad this is ?
They indeed are delusional. Also very inconsiderate of others
Maphackers are usually several leagues down from the people they play with. Blutmilan is 5k GM I think, so the maphacker is probably Diamond or Masters at most.
@@hetaresgaming7771The matchmaking system must be the absolute best anti-cheat system possible. The fact that they maphack has already been factored in by the matchmaking system and everything else they do will just be so much worse than their opponents.
For example how good is a silver league player if you give them the ability to see everything on the map? Diamond league? Okay then match them against a diamond player. 😂 Do they really have an unfair advantage at that point?
He's in Grandmaster... He beats 99.9% of players.
@@zor8952 Erm, that's sort of what I was saying. Sorry, I should've clarified. I meant that mechnically their level is several leagues down.
Love detective Harstem, hopefully there are more videos in the future.
I was prepared to be furious for watching this video as I also got map hacker before, but not sure why I feel so calm after watching it as the captain comments on it lol
In seven thousand eight hundred career games, I've only ever faced a hacker on ladder twice. Happy to say it's an exceedingly rare occurrence.
You get a lot of points for the toddler with a gun analogy. Good stuff😂
Yess, been waiting for this one!
Hartstem, these video's are to me also one of the best of your content, just laughing my ass off nonestop, I love it!
"finds them... mistargets the adept... xDDD
Pure gold, thank you Kevin and the people who send u these replays.
Love these!
Blutmilan is a really cool ingame name! Love the investigator Harstem vids!
Been a longtime fan of "hacker replays" that varsitygaming makes, very happy to have found something similar for sc2
Chris Harstem walks in on maphacker: "take a seat, take a seat, right over there"
I love those videos.my new favs
I realy like this kind of investigating videos !
The toddler with a gun... hilarious.
I would love to see a series where pro gamers with full map vision take on multiple high ranked opponents! Let's see how someone with true skill can take advantage of map hacks.
Thank you Harstem!
Hackers really ruin every game they're in. Keep hunting and exposing them!
Harstem forget the part that he peeks into the fog on the main base and nat
Harstem, you really need a deerstalker and pipe for these episodes.
You have no idea how many times people cry "ThErEs No MApHack FoRS sTaRcRaft!"
This should be a new series. Was very entertaining.
A captain and detective!
this was amazing funny to wach please more
I usually watch these while playing other game so when at 4:20 & Harstem say this is so sad... Sad music stated playing in my game
i bet you could confuse him completely and destroy all his workers with a single DT xD
I wonder what sc2 would look like if two pros both (knowingly) had maphacks. It would be weird because cheese wouldnt work but they would both constantly be trying to counter the other
Detective Harstem on the case once again! Love the diversity of content you put out. You might consider throwing in an analysis of egregious smurfing every once in a while. Like mediocre GMs beating up on low diamond players for kicks, which should absolutely be illegal. Could even play on IoDIS. Is this a smurf or do I suck? Although sorting through those replays sounds hellish. Delegate to Hamster?
I love these hacker videos 👌🏻😂
Is this the start of "Is it hacks or do I cope?" ? :D
You’d all be surprised how prevalent this really is
I wonder if there was a video where someone submits imba or suck and their opponent was simply hacking.
You can't expect maphackers to have the same level of knowledge and nuanced thought process as players of the level they play against with. It's always poor decision making that is included, only reason why some even win is through sheer luck of exploiting counter builds if they have the braincells to do so.
I always make it a rule that when maphackers are involved, it's always a level or two down the rank they currently have.
poor blunt man
I successfully canon rushed a map hacker. I sent the replay to Lowko but he never watch it
Send to harstem
Harstem vs. Pre-- I mean maphackers series.
Even a map hacker who is good at hiding could never get away with it on a competitive level for long. At some point, you can only take the punches for so long before you react too early.
Imagine how often people like me need THEIR 2x 50 points back and don't even know it
I have actually thought about doing a mod that gives both sides complete visibility of the whole map. No fog of war. Would this be interesting?
You should host a series where you take the 50th best SC2 player in the worlds and see how high he can climb with map hacks!
Crazy maphacks are still any issue after this many years. When SC2 first launched it was unbearable for a while.
I played with map hacking for shits n giggles on custom games in wc3 back in like 2006 specifically on sheep tag just cause i was positive i was going against map hackers occasionally and i made sure not to abuse the info unless it felt like my opponents were also map hacking. Seeing somebody map hack and barely be skilled enough to beat the campaign is hilarious
I love Harstem
I have a definite hack, no investigation needed (although I am sure it would be fun), however it is from heart of the swarm and I think old replays can't be watched any more or something? Maybe I should see if I can find it.
How about a deception game show, where you play a Bo3 against another pro, you get to have map hacks in one of the games, and they try to guess which game you maphacked?
Chris Harstem over here.
It's so refreshing to see a content creator do a video like this and just call a duck a duck. So many people, especially in the CSGO/2 space, will do this and pussyfoot around what is obvious to anyone watching that isn't completely new to the game. They'll constantly make excuses for the cheater and say how they could possibly be legit and maybe just really lucky. The reason cheating is so rampant in online games nowadays is because everyone is so afraid of calling it out and accusing people no matter how blatant they are.
7:48 does chrono boosting your own gateway after it's been converted, do anything? 😅
Yeah it shortens the time for the next warp in
It does. Cooldown for the next warp in is shortened, considerably so. That's why saving boosts for gates when doing a gateway push is a thing.
where do I email replays to? I played a hacker somewhat recently
Huston, we got a perma.
Harstem vs. Serral, but Harstem has maphack. Make it happen!
Harstem I have a very short replay I got hacked I'll send it to brighten up your morning lol
I have really old replays of a hacker who has been sniping me on ladder from 2 years ago, not sure if you wanna watch them, Harstem
I'll assume you prefer replays from current patch?
|||||||||||||, we’re all laughing at you.
whether its halo 1, halo 2, halo 3, grand theft auto 5, starcraft 1, warcraft 3, warhmmer 40k space marine or eternal crusade or chivalry or even sc2 melee skirmish, it doesn't matter what game you talk about, hacking has a way of bringing every bodies spirits down. I personally despise hackers that mess with game play. I only ever hacked games to learn how they worked, how to get non working ones working again, or for artisitc purposes. This is sad news indeed harstem. But alteast they fixed the arcade hack problem, so, one point for blizzard I guess.
I have like 5 or more replays in which I have encountered cheaters using maphack or a trick to get 200/200 with a single supply depot. But I don't know if Blizzard does anything to them when they reported them.
I wish bliz would just send video instead of banning hacker :) Harstem's got it good.
15:45 You can especially tell that he's a lower level player with map hacks because he's warping in only zealots and not using rapid-fire, he's manually warping each one. granted, I'm sure there are high level players who don't use rapid-fire warp-ins, but if so... why?
Where did the new video go? I was just watching and it disappeared.
The hackers are sad people. Searching for "fame" or "accomplishment" with any means necessary.
Which resorts to hacking because they are lazy, so they wont put in the work, and they are also bad at the game, but wanna pretend they are good.
On the other hand: An idea for a mini-series: Can a "worse" progamer beat a top tier one if the worse one has MH? And try to figure out how much MMR mh actually gives?
new series title: sc2 csi 😂
we need more maphackers so you can make more of these vids
Wish I still had my hacker replays (only had 4 so far) could def go through them lolol. A friend says there is no hacks in sc2... I lol hard.
nice haircut :)
People who smurf and people who hack dont deserve to play ladder i think.
The worst part is hackers are always the worse trash talkers.... so cringe..
What do you mean that first one was tie?! Blutmilan clearly won
Could we see some games using the unfair mod where some players get maphacks?
it would be cool to have an event where you experiment with how much a maphack could actually do.Like the captain against a pro player with a skill level of a dark or clem etc... :D
Uuuh, love these cheaters exposed videos!
Hackerman! Reminds me of guilty gear strive which had someone fucking up their best players by disrupting their games for months and months.
Where do i send my replay against a map hacker?
Imagine cheating at a video game and losing anyway. When I saw his opening APM was sub 50 for a M1 game, I had my doubts.
I played an obvious map hacker today in plat
i want to see reynor vs harstem with maphack
Why did i refresh the newest video titled : -.
Harstem I saw it, and I had a funny comment prepared as a respnse to the title.
Im mad now
But honestly this solves mismatches. When youre a plat 3 player matched with a master, give them vision, give them light!
Wut saddens me more is that blizzard cant keep these clowns off ladder
I'm confused - if he's maphacking, wouldn't we see him panning to his opponent's base to see what's going on?
Or does maphacking only show the minimap?
@harstem How do I submit a hacker replay to you? I recently played against a player that hacked 100% and didn't even hide it. But then why would he hide it. He created his account 2 days ago.
What if it's not a maphack? What if it's a minimap hack?
"The best build order to go if you're maphacking is 1-gate expand."
"I'm always shocked by how little these maphackers try to hide the fact they are hacking."
Okay now let's take those two statements together and use some critical thinking. What would someone at the high level look like who plays 1-gate expands only, and refuses to compete in LANs where hacking would be exposed. All while being known as one of the hardest players to harass because they always seem to have units in position.
Show 1 hack replay on rank roulette and see if they find out