The reason the survivors are surprised to see infected at the start of the campaign, is because the infection only reached Savannah literal minutes before Dead Center takes place. Prior to their rush to the rooftop, they were probably down in the lobby waiting to get processed for evacuation, like hundreds of other refugees, in a regular safezone free of infected, when the infected suddenly caused the crowds to panic and the survivors to make a run for the rooftop. They probably first grouped up a floor or two before the rooftop, with Nick calling Coach, well... "Coach" due to his outfit, rather than actually knowing his name. I've seen some people headcanon that Coach decided to pick it up as his nickname because of Nick calling him that. In other words, the infection quite literally just hit the hotel, with the panic of the other refugees prompting the survivors to run to the rooftop before they could see the source of panic. The infected we see were likely still human moments prior, and the fire and destruction literally _just_ happend. This is a fairly common theme in the game, with Dark Carnival and The Parish having been very recently overrun as well. It's also why the helicopter is flying to the mall in the beginning - The mall was still safe at the start of the campaign, and is overrun shortly after the survivors leave the hotel, sometime throughout the 2nd map. There's actually some interesting theories to be had about how exactly the infected first showed up in the minutes before Dead Center: The simplest explanation is that the frontline of the infected had pushed through military defences, and naturally progressed to the hotel before anyone could warn CEDA. However, Ellis has a voiceline where he describes that he already had a previous encounter with the infected prior to Dead Center, so it's possible that he travelled down south to the hotel from an other area in Savannah that was being overrun, but still mostly controlled by the military. This would mean that he inadvertently infected people in the safe area of Savannah, which then caused the sudden outbreak in a way that caught CEDA by complete surprise. One small issue with this theory, though, is that CEDA should already have known about carriers, and had procedures in place to account for potential carriers, but given that Ellis is a Savannah local, and CEDA was under a lot of stress and pressure due to the infected hordes being barely held off, they might've made one small mistake and assumed him to be from a safe location within Savannah, skipping the usual carrier procedures, and letting the infection spread throughout the safezone.
Excellent Breakdown I've said this in plenty of comments already but once again, its rabbit holes like this that have me hoping for any kind of continuation of the l4d story. Even a simple prequel comic similar to what the Sacrifice did.
@@ImNotConz The game has a lot of "rabbit holes", or "details" like this, and they're honestly super interesting to explore, cause the game (and all official external media) do provide a lot of puzzle pieces to put together. I've yet to release it, but the lore script I wrote consists of 50+ pages for good reason; The game's story is quite expansive, even outside of the main playable campaigns.
@@JAiZUA-cam Please tell me when you release it! I’d love to know all I can about these beautiful, masterfully crafted games! Literally loved them as a kid and now going back and listing to more Left 4 Dead stories, just gives me a warm nice maybe nostalgic feeling. Too bad Back 4 Blood couldn’t replicate it even in the gameplay department, probably our last chance at getting something close to another Left 4 Dead game.
@@JAiZUA-cam 50 pages is wild, and I look forward to watching that video. Talking about l4d lore is fun because not only is it mostly vague but because l4d has basically been untouched for 15 years, and there are still so many unanswered questions, it really goes to show just how deep the games story is (Once again, the l4d franchise has 2 cutscenes, and its the intro cinematics, so to have a story that requires 50 pages to cover and only having 2 CUTSCENES!! Super impressive)
Like you said, it's a running theme that the survivors reach areas that were seemingly overrun just moments before they got there, like they're just behind the front lines on the infected side. It's super atmospheric Which is why I love the hell outta this game
Dead center is the perfect example of how to make a tutorial without making a tutorial, it first forces you to use primary weapons and get used to how they work and understand they have infinite ammo, when you exit that elevator you get your first primary weapon then later on you're introduced to the gun store and they give you all the weapons to play around with and laser sights. i love this game so much
I noticed that Nick absolutely hated the crew when they first met. In the elevator, Nick would introduce himself like this: "Nick, that's all you need to know." another time, he would say something like:" I don't think it matters who we are because we should split up as soon as the doors open."(something like that, I'm not completely sure)
3:02 another thing to note, it also shows a pie graph on how many percentage of common infected and other types of special infected. With Tank and witch having a few percent
@@dolphinerofachero3159 me personally I'd just be a "survivor type" zombie, but instead of running away from survivors with my loot, I'd run after Coach and steal food from him
I'm thinking that maybe when they were going up the stairs the first time they probably went an entirely different route without encountering any infected. And due to the hotel burning down it could've left those areas they went through impassable while they were on the roof.
Also sometimes when first encountering the infected, Nick said “they attack now?” which means that the infected might not have been hostile at first, and the survivors could simply had walked passed the early infected
I think it's just a plothole. Ellis literally talks about making a zombieproof car that failed. So, yup, pretty sure Rochelle and Ellis would 100% know about zombies
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola It's also possible that each one of the survivors had different experiences with the infected and had different routes arriving to the hotel, but it's all conjecture and leaves a lot to imagination. I really like reading theories that people make.
I played dead center hotel for the first time ever just like everyone else. But what i didn't know was, i played "last man on earth". The usual zombie filled corridor was empty, except that one charger. Got grabbed and beaten to death, and i thought "Jesus what a strange game?"
I still really like how Dead Center and No Mercy, thought might as well be L4D as a whole, is that they have a certain thing in common that i focus on very often: The very first chapter where we meet our survivors is where they strategize to look for a rescue in a cliche zombie apocalypse checkpoint known to be overly populated in this type of crisis. Hospitals have lots of people in waiting rooms and patients for some sort of infection crisis to quickly spread, and malls are usually one of the most populated places you could have in a city, not exactly your first go-to for an apocalypse like this. (Although Dark carnival happening too quickly does break this philosophy but eh, i'm a L4D addict, not much will make me care about the insanity of coming up with it, it's fun)
It should be zombie apocalypse 101 that hotels or hospitals or any place with a high amount of people is probably not the best idea for an evacuation center. Fair Point
To be fair, hospitals and malls are the 2 types of buildings that commonly have helicopter pads on the roof. I can't think of many other types of publicly accessible buildings where you can safely land a helicopter.
No Mercy took place after 2 weeks of infection, the hospital might have been evacuated or abandoned already with few remaining infected inside. In Dead Center the mall might have been closed for renovation as there is some construction related stuff inside the mall.
Ironically both are good places to go to before the hordes arrive. Hospitals will have medicine and medical specialists, so a natural thought when something happens. Malls have all kinds of shops, so a good source of food and weapons. But obviously other people think the same, so both places will be quickly overrun.
When they are in the elevator, they actually introduce their names to each other. It is amazing how Left 4 Dead has so many dialogue lines that you may miss some of them unless you played the game 100th of times
The hotel was used as an evacuation center, so there were a lot of people there already. We all know that the crew are carriers, so they probably were unintentionally infecting everyone while running up to get to the helicopters. As they grieve at missing the helicopter, all hell is breaking loose below. Then when they finally venture down again, after only a couple of minutes mind you, they see that everything quickly went wrong. That’s my take on it. Also I don’t think the cinematic is all that cannon, because we see the screaming oak exploding. So I think it was just showing what the game and tone would be as opposed to L4D’s opening.
personally i think its just that they met outside the hotel, maybe through a secondary less populated door, took mostly the stairs , while most infected were probably the sick in the rooms and halls, i mean the survivors were probably busting ass up the stairs and the fire could have made the infected not hear them, then when the whirlybird left some of the infected came up the stairs and the fire blocked off whatever quiet route they took up the hotel. also i think gameplay and what the story is has always been at a disconnect, like how in the comics, the special infected spawn more than one or two at a time and they kill you the moment they get to you, so its not far fetched that making sense was not their focus when trying to tell the story about how the survivors met.
Carriers only become infectious after being exposed to the infected, though. The only person who mentions prior exposure to an infected is Ellis, so if anything, Ellis would've infected the refugees and caused the outbreak at the Hotel, which then proceeded to spread across the entire state. L4D2's cinematic is definitely more of a mish-mash action flick type of trailer, rather than a proper story to take at face value like L4D1's
@@JAiZUA-cam that's absolutely the case I mean, Atrium being pitch black, SWAT zombies in Dead Center, the Survivor zombies in the Swamp Fever and the bridge EXPLODING while you're running through it Ngl, I want an exploding bridge in the Passing
L4D1 is 2 weeks after the first infection, and No Mercy starts a few days after widespread outbreak. Infected were known, carriers were being discovered, and the military/CEDA was mobilizing when the northeast was hit like wildfire (likely because the NE USA is a tourism hotspot). Several of the campaigns are back to back full of desperation and chaos, with some covering less than a mile of travel. Blood Harvest, military base (likely in South Carolina as there are several training bases in the state), a train ride to Passing (likely along the Mississippi or one of its southern tributaries in northern Louisiana). Its unclear but we can assume the gang arrives at the bridge between 3 and 5 weeks after first infection, LIKELY its close to 4. In the South, the military and CEDA are much more active and prepared, likely due to the much easier to manage population centers seperated by long stretches of interstates and lack of general tourism. Outbreaks are contained and isolated, carriers are being identified and removed from camps. A few days before the outbreak in the NE, our survivors find their way to Savannah to be evacuated. Ellis and Keith build an apocalypse rig but are forced to leave it behind. They make their way through CEDA's makeshift camps in the Mall, Hotel and in between, likely slippi g through the carrier tests with a mix of chaos, luck and unproven testing, and as carriers slip through they share food and water, sleep in over crowded rooms and mingle. Just as the evacuation is in full swing the outbreak occurs, perhaps at the same time or a few days after the NE outbreak. Panic, chaos, people rushing the hotel. Our survivors manage to make it through. Keith and Ellis are seperated at this point, perhaps Keith made it back to their truck and made it out of town, which is why Ellis doesnt have the keys or ever tries to find it through Dead Center. Because we are in the middle of a sudden outbreak, this explains the burning hotel, lack of special infected, and concentrated hordes in our path as well as the hasty makeshift barricades between the CEDA checkpoints. What set off the explosive and sudden turning of thousands all at once? Many diseases are known to lie dormant until theyve infected a larger population, then spring forward as if coordinated. This happens with the regular flu every year, so why not the Green Flu? Regardless, this explains dead center. To explain the timeline, L4D2 is much more spread out. Carnival is assumed to be 2-3 days after Center but i believe it to be nearly a week, given the chaos, danger and given The Passing (assuming its between 3 and 4 weeks after first infection), our total timeline hints at either a delayed outbreak in the South, or at least a much more tame outbreak compared to the northeast with a solid extra week for CEDA and the military to operate (and operate with the knowledge of the NE outbreaks) hence the stark contrast between the two games. The main reason for a large gap between Center and Carnival is to give the characters time to grow and bond, which the first game clearly lacked and the comics sought to rectify inbetween Harvest and Sacrifice. All speculation of course, but this all ties it up nicely if our gang was on the road for about a week, which allowed the virus to flood population centers and develop a sizeable number of specials and hordes if Center is happening as an outbreak tears through Savannah
The Left 4 Dead 2 timeline is an idea I had for a video, it's so fun (and difficult) to break down. I'm currently working on the Swamp Fever video, which also has a ton of lore implications. Mainly Village En Marais, which was likely one of the last holdouts at least in the south. We can also confirm that the survivors left the plantation house 3 days before the survivors crashed into the swamp. The time in between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever is also very hard to gauge. Assuming the turning process starts very shortly after coming into contact with a Carrier, they could have been flying for as long as 5-20 minutes. again its speculation but im willing to bet that Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever were less than a day apart, considering that they left the carnival at night and the sun rises at the end of swamp fever, its entirely possible that the events of Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever happen in the same 8-12 hour window.
@@ImNotConz i always personally believed the timeline and deep lore was intentionally messy and/or vague because Valve wanted to convey that these survivors have no desire let alone ability to keep track of time to the hour and study the infected in detail or read through notebooks and study charts at every camp they happen to come across, which also sells the chaotic desperation that much better. Wall grafitti also suggests the time of infection is seemingly random, as no one can agree on it. After being bitten, some said hours to over a day, others say minutes. As i said, many viruses work like a timebomb, waiting to show symptoms while they spread inside you and suppress the immune response. It could be that the average person takes a few hours once definitively exposed, changing based on concentration (4 carriers in an enclosed metal can potentially sharing food/drink with a single non carrier vs a handful among hundreds in the open air at a processing station). (Looking forward to swamp fever btw, its a very glossed over campaign in all types of videos, and the Mudmen are so HATED.)
I'll tell you this Swamp Fever has a surprising amount of lore, mainly with the Village and the people that lived there. I was expecting a 6-7 minute video of me reaching for shit to talk about but if you do the digging, there is a lot of interesting shit in this campaign. Video should be up in the next couple of days
I always liked the idea that the L4D2 survivors literally just met in the climb up the stairs and its due to their nature as carriers that caused everyone in the hotel to turn in the time when they passed them and when they head back down. I also loved how L4D2 and Dead Center set up this theme of the survivors being right on the edge of the infection and always getting to the "safe zone" of the campaign right as its overrun, almost as if they're a part of the undead army.(which they kinda are, being carriers) EDIT: This has also made me realize something. So due to their nature as carriers, the L4D2 survivors kinda bring death and destruction with them wherever they go. You could see them, in a way, as the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The colors of the four horsemen are Black, Red, Pale, and White. Coach is black, Rochelle has a pink shirt on (pink is just red lightened by white), Ellis' shirt is a very Pale yellowish color, and Nick's suit is white. A bit of a stretch but interesting nonetheless.
For the note of the 4 horsemen they have meanings; white is conquest, black is famine, red is war and pale is death. It makes a lil sense if they rep the choices you made; Nick is a gambler, he conquests the game, Coach is constantly talking about food but it's never really implied in the game he actually gets to eat, Rochelle is a news reporter who was doing reports on CEDA's war against the infected (also news just reports on wars a lot lol), and Ellis is shown in the trailer/intro with a whole lot of guns strapped to him as well as being the character who not only gets charged by a charger but also spat on by the Spitter, road by the jokey and caught by the smoker, which in game can lead to an death without teammates. It adds on my own personal head cannon that the L4D2 survivors are actually special infected themselves, just a highly intelligent one that subconsciously searches for populated areas to infect more people. Hence why despite knowing CEDA and the military are suspicious in the Parish they still go on with the plan to go to the military (where the most survivors probably are). It also explains how they can survive being thrown around by the special infected and to add on more, when they die they actually don't, the infection brings them back and that's why they 'respawn' in the closets. The reason why infected still attack them is that they've evolved too much to be recognised by the green flu victims and have essentially become their own virus. IDK I'm probably stretching this wayyyy too far but it's fun to think about.
@@kyoskii3767 the Left 4 Dead 2 survivors being their own special breed of infected would be the craziest twist, and I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of here for it The witches having a semblance of intelligence (not much, but just enough to remember their previous lives) also shows that the Green Flu doesn't just turn zombies into mindless killing freaks 100% of the time, and it clearly likes to mutate, so it taking someone who is immune to the undead symptoms and giving them the boosted stats of a special infected anyway would be that extra little "screw you" to humanity, as it gives the flu's biggest chance of spreading (the carriers) the resilience and strength to make it across a nation of ravenous undead and an emboldened desire to be in a populated area.
PLEASE continue this series. The way you reiterate lore while also adding new details and evidence to it that I’ve never thought of before when watching other lore creators like WowSuchGaming makes me feel like I’m just learning the lore again. Actually focusing within each campaign’s story and the tie ins it has makes each of these videos a fun watch.
@@ImNotConz You should do Swamp Fever next. The somber story about the villagers being infected, the survivors respecting their residence, and the existence of infected livestock and swamp people can definitely make an interesting story.
These videos are so gooood! I was researching and rewatching some l4d lore as of recently, and I'm glad someone else brought these videos to modern light.
yeah the boomer bile friendly fire line is a thing (using bile the world/players mod) they technically all have dialogue for getting biled from a teammate, rochelles is the most specific, ellis also has a specific one he'll either say dont throw that on me or dont throw that shit on me. Coach and nick basically just use a reused friendly fire line, Coach can also just say "MOTHER!"
I love the view from the rooftop...you can see another building of the same size that's also on fire..the freeway, the forest, all through a smoky haze, surprisingly a lot of detail
Att 5:56 when rochelle says that the infected are gonna swarm her is not something cut from the game. If you throw a bile boom at your friends they will reacts very angry and the infected will swarm them
so funny thing i can somewhat answer about the 'how did they not see the zombies they pass up the stairs during the trailer for l4d2?' 1:27 question. you forgot one special line nick says when he sees a common infected for the first time on dead center. he says 'JESUS THERE ATTACKING NOW?' this is key to realizing what happened. the hotel was in mass panick. nick,ellis,coach, and rochelle saw weak, sick not fully infected people everywhere who were docile for the time being, maybe some were getting verbally agrressive and pale. they decided to run to the roof and see whats happening to see fires on the horizon and on the building and helicopters flying off leaving them. they decide somethings off so they get a weapon found on the roof and slowly walk back down expecting people to just be pannicking and on the floor sick. only to see fully infected people. some already mutating. the infected turn to see the carriers. and go beserk. i like this series youve done its very cool.
it coulda been alot differant but not far off from this. like maybe some people were already attacking others before they got to the roof but the 4 didnt see it they only heard the screaming so they thought taking pistols was the right choice. idk it was def something like i described though
It's exceptionally rare, and I have played Left 4 Dead 2 a lot, but sometimes Jimmy Gibbs Junior will spawn as a zombie and run out from behind the banner as you approach the stock car in the mall finale. I think I've seen him only twice. But it does happen.
2:37 Maybe they met when they entered the building, in the same time or one by one, but simply didn't have time to ask for names because they were running after the helicopter.
I'd be interested to see how you would tackle Swamp Fever. The whole campaign breathes (or rather, reeks) of atmosphere, ESPECIALLY when you find the crashed plane in the middle of the swamp.
It would be fun, and thats a really good way to put it. Playing swamp fever always felt different than the other campaigns, and I think thats because its setting is easily the most discrete and (I swear this is the best word I could find) Alien setting and environments. Its such a different experience when compared to the other campaigns.
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the intro to L4D2 doesn’t nick say the following “come on coach maybe the helicopter maybe it’s made of chocolate” wouldn’t that imply they met up or some have already met up and just meeting the others?
No, you are totally right and it's a great point, and also just adds to the confusion. Gameplay dialogue suggest that they met as they were running up the stairs, but movie intro suggest otherwise. Idk man it don't make no sense.
Using "Look!" to Coach (except Rochelle since i've never tested her Dead Center playthrough before) doesn't really say a different name like they do to the others Ellis for one has a friendly fire line that says "I can see you weren't the shooting Coach" Even before they meet at the elevator meaning they knew he was some sort of Coach they just didn't know that he was literally named and called Coach That said, i think Trailer Dialogue would be pretty canon
Yea honestly it’s not that big of deal since Coach isn’t even his real name anyways, in the elevator he just says “my friends call me Coach” so idk why but he’s so reluctant to reveal his real name when the others did no problem
Fun fact: in the intro, when Nick said "Come on *COACH* The helicopter, maybe it's maybe out of chocolate* Nick actually says Coach in the stares and coach has a shotgun? And if you kill a survivor they will say their name before the elevator
I used to play this game a lot with my brother when we were younger I'm a huge fan of survival stuff just because of it Thank you for breaking down the stories of it it brought me a lot of nostalgia
Boomer bile friendly fire is something that you can mod. Look for a mod called "Bile the world." This mod not only adds friendly fire for the BB, but it also have the Boomer's explosion affect any infected around it. And yes, there are specific voice lines that play if you accidentally hit a teammate.
The reference to chocolate is likely a reference to Coach EATING chocolate in the L4D2 trailer. Which makes it seem like they knew each other prior to Dead Center. Also, had they been in the hotel waiting for evacuation with other survivors who turned when the four went upstairs, when did the fire start?
Im 4 months late but still gonna say this, 4:20 The elevator dialogue also changes depending on who died, and if its just nick and ellis, nick doesnt even reply.
Im happy to see someone else who loves these games soo much that you care about the story and characters! Me too not many people get it but I certainly do 👍
I do plan on doing at least 90% of them (it gets complicated with Campigns like Crash Course and Cold Stream, Cold stream is not cannon and Crash Course just sucks and there's almost nothing of substance to actually talk about.
@@ImNotConz if you want i could possibly help in anyway, i really like l4d2 lol. if not then ill just sit here and happily have you be the first youtube channel ive ever turned notifs on for lol. cuz honestly ive never looked deep into the l4d2 lore
they go through the exit stairs in dead center while rochelle and ellis were throwing and barricadiywhile climbing up, though the fire made it worst to go back, they had to take the alternate route which is going past through infected, not zombies, they didn't know they are immune yet or as we know later on Carriers
in the intro Nick says “come on coach, maybe the helicopter, maybe it’s made of chocolate” which doesnt make sense if the voice lines imply they dont know each other, unless Nick only knows Coach and knows of his fondness for chocolate
L4D, Dead Island, and Dead Rising were my early childhood games that taught me how cool envieonmental storytelling are. ngl w/o it zombie titles felt soulless
I think the reason why the survivors are surprised by the infected is due to the fact that they probably stayed in the stairway the entire time. Everyone else is either on the roof getting evacuated, or they're in the hotel itself already infected... But this doesn't explain why the staircase suddenly gets blocked, and the survivors for some reason lost the guns they had in the cinematic. Also did how the fire even started in the first place?? Do we have any certified fire investigators that can find out the cause? /j
as some others have already said, l4d2's intro is probably not canon to the story. Likely made as hype material for the sequel (with lots, and LOTS of explosions)
My personal favourite quote is when Coach gets jumped on by a Jockey on this map he sometimes says "Ellis? Is that you"? Not sure if it's only in the last chapter but that's the only place I found it.
I know this may not be a very satisfying explanation, but there may not even be an in-universe explanation for the dialogue discrepancies. It could just be that the intro movie was done before the elevator dialogue was finalized and they just didn’t have time to change it
3:01 Amazing how simple game creating and world building is sometimes, just one simple prop provides enough lore to explain the new throwable puke. A small detail that does so much like that is why I love this game.
as someone who loves L4D as a decent distraction and time waster, these videos have given me a new perspective on the story as a whole. I know it's there, but these videos help me understand it more when I am more focused on shooting the infected. Great job I give it a 10/10 for being easy to digest and not overly complicated.
one thing i find funny in this map is that after killing a tank for the first time, nick will go on with his “so thats a tank huh?” line despite nobody saying the tanks name
As someone from Savannah Georgia (city where Dead Center and many other zombie media has some connection to) I love to see how different parts of the city are made for games and shows. So far, the final chapter of the Telltale Walking Dead game gets it closest. This isn’t criticism, I do love that my hometown gets recognized for its beauty.
1:50 I think that's supposed to be a trailer playing into how the campaigns are supposed to be movies, but maybe based on actual events that happened in universe?
based on all the sleeping bags around its safe to say they only met after they were abandoned, if you remove the areas in the intro its very likely they only met as they were climbing the stairs, i fully believe that they were chilling in their rooms and once they reached thew top and the helicopter takes off that's when the infection has reached them. unlike l4d1 its very likely they only just met, where are the l4d1 crew has probably been together for a few weeks post infection. nick, coach, ellis and rochelle very likely only talked to each other once they found out they were "left for dead". [heh] this is just my headcanon anyways, im sure its wrong or has flaws.
At 6:11 i think the same voiceline plays for coach too, heard it in versus a handfull of times when both ellis and coach got nabbed by a jockey. This same voiceline can be played on multiple maps like dark carnival. Could be wrong through
I always had the idea that they were in that hotel with lots of normal people, then some zombies broke through and they started to infect everyone, then our carriers also were infecting people without noticing, AND THEN a fire started to spread out, consequence of the zombie attack the people in the hotel were suffering, our survivors ran away as quickly as they could to reach the Helicopter, but other survivors of that hotel were quicker and when they reached the rooftop the helicopter was already taking off
It's important to note that on the way to the rooftop the infected were not yet fully turned, which is why seeing the zombies for the first time Nick will sometimes say: "They're attacking now‽"
If you ask me Whitaker is screwed. He just asked some carriers to bring him colas. Ignoring the fact said colas were on the ground of a pillaged super market with clear signs of violence and said carriers might have used the package to bash away zombies, with how contagious the Flu is, the close contact between the drinks and the carriers could be enough to end him as soon as he tries to drink them. We can only hope he is a carrier.
I feel like the mysteries behind the group’s first meeting are pretty obvious, they all heard there was going to be an evacuation, they each were near enough to the hotel for that to be their best option, they went there just as the zombies started to swarm the crowded building, which is why the Helicopter leaves the survivors behind, the evacuation center has been overrun just as the Survivors reach it. They all meet up on the roof and are forced to work together to survive. It’s not that crazy that they haven’t seen zombies yet, especially since this area was previously safe since it was being used to evacuate people, but it eventually attracted the horde.
5:56 You can get her to say this with voice restoration mods; this works best with the "Bile the World Script", which allows friendly fire with Bile Bombs, and Boomers can be exploded on commons/special infected.
From what Ive put together, the rooftops was supposed to be an evacuation spot for survivors, our 4 protags are the stragglers who didn’t make it in time as the whirlybirds leave them, which I think explains why they’re going to the mall to try and catch another evac ride. As for Rochelle’s comment before that bit about seeing the zombies, I think now that she is in with a group of people and is kinda in the “downtime” on the rooftop, she’s just expressing her disbelief to someone (other protags) to cope. However I can agree it’s odd that she’s just now saying something about it despite working with the news station, but it could possibly be explained away by the fact that she’s just now in the mess herself and experiencing it first hand and not through footage
at 5:52 , for that particular voice line, Im pretty sure the survivors were gonna say something if you shot and exploded a boomer near them, hence why Rochelle said that the infected were gonna swarm her. Just sounded the most logical to me
The only thing I can theorize about Dead Center's lore compared to the trailer is that MAYBE it changed from them traveling with eachother into the hotel to it being them and multiple survivors stayed in the hotel with CEDA while the evacuation got set up. The hotel starts catching fire and gets overrun, maybe not in that order, while they're the last to make it to the roof as the chopper leaves in a panic. Could be why CEDA had a main office at the top floor. Begin campaign with little info on eachother and the zombies?
with the whitakker (i dont remember how its spelled) guy and how he said "with his defenses and literal stash of weapons, i think he'll be fine" you can find a zombie with a bandolier, health back, and sometimes pills or a pipebomb later in the game. not sure if its him but it could be
Actually Whitaker turned, i was playing rochelle for the very first time in dead center and didn't know where to go so i was just waiting in the slot thingy, idk but in a couple of minutes whitaker turned, he was using the mic thing and him turning was heard in the mic
I just watched some of your vid. And i am now super confused every vid. That i watch you said that those maps are your fav. And now dead center is your favorite lol
I may have referred to them as some of my favorite maps but I can confirm for you that Dead Center is in fact my favorite map. Has been for a while now
I like the theory that as they was going through to the rooftop to get off due to them being carriers they probably infected everyone due to being close and they all turned as they was running up the stairs because it looks like the infected were doing things prior to turning like the group in the room with the boards could have been talking when one turned leading to panic as a bunch have turned also could explain why we get so many special infected right off the bat so many people a bunch would turn into special ones
It also explains why when u open the door or go down the stairs zombies are already there they could have turned seconds after the cutscene played could be why the survivors are surprised when they see them because not even 2 seconds ago they was human
I love the detail that safe room reached responses have the possibility to be less positive and more stressed out about where everyone went in this one etc etc.
This video was already old, but my theory is that they didn’t see the zombies on the way up because they took the staircase all the way up. you can see in the cinematic at the beginning that There’s no rubble on the stairs. Then the helicopter thing happens. they go back down and by the time they go back down things like chargers, have entered the building as it’s being overrun and knocked out the staircases, forcing them to go through the populated hallways. if they arrived at this evacuation point even half an hour before it was overrun, they would have entered the stairwell before zombies started rising up the levels and infecting people as they go up. We see plenty of zombies, climbing up the walls and windows specifically special infected appearing on rooftops so it’s not entirely unlikely. It got overrun from outside access points, leaving the stairwell completely closed off . Even more plausible as stairwell doors tend to be heavier than regular doors so regular non heavy infected can’t break them or sense survivors thru them.
1:40 its also confusing because we do kinda see how the survivors get to the roof, in the intro trailer that you see when you boot up the game you see them walking up the stairs to the roof, you can hear it when coach says "who the hell puts an evac station up 50 flights of goddamn stairs?" which is also confusing as in the scene before this they are seen fighting zombies, i believe that in the stairs scene they are seen with guns
It's worth noting that, 1. Whitaker did not do just fine, many point out that, when you no-clip to take a look at him shooting down a way to the mall, his Dead Center model is a low poly design shared by a higher quality uncommon survivor infected from The Passing you can chase down, suggesting he got infected on his way to the same city while venturing outside. 2. I'm pretty sure it's usually Rochelle that introduces the new special infected, maybe even all. Shows her journalism background but also that maybe some places "farther from patient 0" could've had survivors better informed/prepared than others via news shows going after the information, maybe to undo any "damage control" CEDA or another entity could've employed back when they though the green flu was manageable. Iirc she's even all the way from Ohio and was sent to produce news like she mentioned, backed by wiki/promo material.
In chapter 1 of DC, Ro has a lot of lines like "They've been calling them (Insert SI Name)" and Nick will often respond with the voice lines I showed in the video. Rochelle certainly knows the name of the special infected because of her news connections that is for sure and I should have showed that. Rochelle uses that info and basically forwards it to the survivors throughout the duration of DC. As for Whitaker, yea could have gone more in depth there.
I believe friendly fire with the boomer bile was once possible in early releases of the console version. I don’t see or have footage but going off memory I feel that I remember throwing it at one of the survivors and it would act just like a boom puked on them, summoning a hoard and only perusing the affected survivor.
dunno if its mentioned yet, but in the chapter one elevator, if a survivor dies before reaching the elevator, a unique voice line will play based on who the dead person was. Usually something along the lines of "who was that guys name" or something
The reason the survivors are surprised to see infected at the start of the campaign, is because the infection only reached Savannah literal minutes before Dead Center takes place. Prior to their rush to the rooftop, they were probably down in the lobby waiting to get processed for evacuation, like hundreds of other refugees, in a regular safezone free of infected, when the infected suddenly caused the crowds to panic and the survivors to make a run for the rooftop. They probably first grouped up a floor or two before the rooftop, with Nick calling Coach, well... "Coach" due to his outfit, rather than actually knowing his name. I've seen some people headcanon that Coach decided to pick it up as his nickname because of Nick calling him that.
In other words, the infection quite literally just hit the hotel, with the panic of the other refugees prompting the survivors to run to the rooftop before they could see the source of panic. The infected we see were likely still human moments prior, and the fire and destruction literally _just_ happend.
This is a fairly common theme in the game, with Dark Carnival and The Parish having been very recently overrun as well. It's also why the helicopter is flying to the mall in the beginning - The mall was still safe at the start of the campaign, and is overrun shortly after the survivors leave the hotel, sometime throughout the 2nd map.
There's actually some interesting theories to be had about how exactly the infected first showed up in the minutes before Dead Center:
The simplest explanation is that the frontline of the infected had pushed through military defences, and naturally progressed to the hotel before anyone could warn CEDA.
However, Ellis has a voiceline where he describes that he already had a previous encounter with the infected prior to Dead Center, so it's possible that he travelled down south to the hotel from an other area in Savannah that was being overrun, but still mostly controlled by the military. This would mean that he inadvertently infected people in the safe area of Savannah, which then caused the sudden outbreak in a way that caught CEDA by complete surprise.
One small issue with this theory, though, is that CEDA should already have known about carriers, and had procedures in place to account for potential carriers, but given that Ellis is a Savannah local, and CEDA was under a lot of stress and pressure due to the infected hordes being barely held off, they might've made one small mistake and assumed him to be from a safe location within Savannah, skipping the usual carrier procedures, and letting the infection spread throughout the safezone.
Excellent Breakdown
I've said this in plenty of comments already but once again, its rabbit holes like this that have me hoping for any kind of continuation of the l4d story. Even a simple prequel comic similar to what the Sacrifice did.
@@ImNotConz The game has a lot of "rabbit holes", or "details" like this, and they're honestly super interesting to explore, cause the game (and all official external media) do provide a lot of puzzle pieces to put together.
I've yet to release it, but the lore script I wrote consists of 50+ pages for good reason; The game's story is quite expansive, even outside of the main playable campaigns.
@@JAiZUA-cam Please tell me when you release it! I’d love to know all I can about these beautiful, masterfully crafted games! Literally loved them as a kid and now going back and listing to more Left 4 Dead stories, just gives me a warm nice maybe nostalgic feeling. Too bad Back 4 Blood couldn’t replicate it even in the gameplay department, probably our last chance at getting something close to another Left 4 Dead game.
@@JAiZUA-cam 50 pages is wild, and I look forward to watching that video. Talking about l4d lore is fun because not only is it mostly vague but because l4d has basically been untouched for 15 years, and there are still so many unanswered questions, it really goes to show just how deep the games story is (Once again, the l4d franchise has 2 cutscenes, and its the intro cinematics, so to have a story that requires 50 pages to cover and only having 2 CUTSCENES!! Super impressive)
Like you said, it's a running theme that the survivors reach areas that were seemingly overrun just moments before they got there, like they're just behind the front lines on the infected side. It's super atmospheric Which is why I love the hell outta this game
Dead center is the perfect example of how to make a tutorial without making a tutorial, it first forces you to use primary weapons and get used to how they work and understand they have infinite ammo, when you exit that elevator you get your first primary weapon then later on you're introduced to the gun store and they give you all the weapons to play around with and laser sights. i love this game so much
It's secondary* weapons, not primary.
@@hieioni3354 yeah well u could tell that was a mistake i meant secondary
@@AKOZZY You fix it and we're all good.
@@hieioni3354 nah im leaving the mistake there. you don't deserve me fixing it
@@AKOZZY ???
I noticed that Nick absolutely hated the crew when they first met. In the elevator, Nick would introduce himself like this: "Nick, that's all you need to know." another time, he would say something like:" I don't think it matters who we are because we should split up as soon as the doors open."(something like that, I'm not completely sure)
A con-man by trait, obviously he doesn't trust people easily. You can tell he soften up to the crew in later campaign. In a way,his second family.
"Ellis, all that shit I was saying...you know I was joking right?" Best Nick Line in my opinion.
@@ImNotConz 😂😂😂, yeah but Nick only says that if him and Ellis are the only ones alive.
@@ImNotConz lol, completely forgot about it😂
@@ImNotConz In my opinion, on some level he probably does mean it other than simple self preservation depending on how far into the campaign you are
3:02 another thing to note, it also shows a pie graph on how many percentage of common infected and other types of special infected. With Tank and witch having a few percent
it doesn't have a witch percentage, since they're not many around, and are highly aggressive when disturbed
If this game happened in our time there would be so much tanks
Too many emotional kids being heartbroken or something
@@NiCoNiCoNiColanah there would be to many Chargers
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola tanks come from body builders and people with unatural number of hormons(sorry for spelling mistake)
@@dolphinerofachero3159 me personally I'd just be a "survivor type" zombie, but instead of running away from survivors with my loot, I'd run after Coach and steal food from him
I'm thinking that maybe when they were going up the stairs the first time they probably went an entirely different route without encountering any infected. And due to the hotel burning down it could've left those areas they went through impassable while they were on the roof.
Nice
Also sometimes when first encountering the infected, Nick said “they attack now?” which means that the infected might not have been hostile at first, and the survivors could simply had walked passed the early infected
I think it's just a plothole. Ellis literally talks about making a zombieproof car that failed.
So, yup, pretty sure Rochelle and Ellis would 100% know about zombies
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola It's also possible that each one of the survivors had different experiences with the infected and had different routes arriving to the hotel, but it's all conjecture and leaves a lot to imagination. I really like reading theories that people make.
@@ArcKanosie really? Cool, I didn’t know that
I played dead center hotel for the first time ever just like everyone else. But what i didn't know was, i played "last man on earth". The usual zombie filled corridor was empty, except that one charger. Got grabbed and beaten to death, and i thought "Jesus what a strange game?"
@@AntiCitizen why didn't you played normal campaign or maybe if you played the old versions of l4d2, the single player option with the Ellis icon?
@@RavenRGH I thought the red zombie icon was cool (I was 10 or something)
@@AntiCitizen back then when I played a pirated version (my PC came with many pre installed games) I didn't know mutation had single player optiond
I still really like how Dead Center and No Mercy, thought might as well be L4D as a whole, is that they have a certain thing in common that i focus on very often:
The very first chapter where we meet our survivors is where they strategize to look for a rescue in a cliche zombie apocalypse checkpoint known to be overly populated in this type of crisis. Hospitals have lots of people in waiting rooms and patients for some sort of infection crisis to quickly spread, and malls are usually one of the most populated places you could have in a city, not exactly your first go-to for an apocalypse like this.
(Although Dark carnival happening too quickly does break this philosophy but eh, i'm a L4D addict, not much will make me care about the insanity of coming up with it, it's fun)
It should be zombie apocalypse 101 that hotels or hospitals or any place with a high amount of people is probably not the best idea for an evacuation center. Fair Point
To be fair, hospitals and malls are the 2 types of buildings that commonly have helicopter pads on the roof. I can't think of many other types of publicly accessible buildings where you can safely land a helicopter.
No Mercy took place after 2 weeks of infection, the hospital might have been evacuated or abandoned already with few remaining infected inside. In Dead Center the mall might have been closed for renovation as there is some construction related stuff inside the mall.
Ironically both are good places to go to before the hordes arrive.
Hospitals will have medicine and medical specialists, so a natural thought when something happens.
Malls have all kinds of shops, so a good source of food and weapons.
But obviously other people think the same, so both places will be quickly overrun.
@HappyBeezerStudios exactly! Literally the perfect trap
When they are in the elevator, they actually introduce their names to each other. It is amazing how Left 4 Dead has so many dialogue lines that you may miss some of them unless you played the game 100th of times
Well he says this in the video
@@MyUsersDark Yeah haha I commented that before that part of the video xD
The hotel was used as an evacuation center, so there were a lot of people there already.
We all know that the crew are carriers, so they probably were unintentionally infecting everyone while running up to get to the helicopters. As they grieve at missing the helicopter, all hell is breaking loose below. Then when they finally venture down again, after only a couple of minutes mind you, they see that everything quickly went wrong. That’s my take on it.
Also I don’t think the cinematic is all that cannon, because we see the screaming oak exploding. So I think it was just showing what the game and tone would be as opposed to L4D’s opening.
personally i think its just that they met outside the hotel, maybe through a secondary less populated door, took mostly the stairs , while most infected were probably the sick in the rooms and halls, i mean the survivors were probably busting ass up the stairs and the fire could have made the infected not hear them, then when the whirlybird left some of the infected came up the stairs and the fire blocked off whatever quiet route they took up the hotel.
also i think gameplay and what the story is has always been at a disconnect, like how in the comics, the special infected spawn more than one or two at a time and they kill you the moment they get to you, so its not far fetched that making sense was not their focus when trying to tell the story about how the survivors met.
Carriers only become infectious after being exposed to the infected, though. The only person who mentions prior exposure to an infected is Ellis, so if anything, Ellis would've infected the refugees and caused the outbreak at the Hotel, which then proceeded to spread across the entire state.
L4D2's cinematic is definitely more of a mish-mash action flick type of trailer, rather than a proper story to take at face value like L4D1's
I think the explosion at the roller coaster was based on a scrapped sequence in gameplay.
@@JAiZUA-cam that's absolutely the case
I mean, Atrium being pitch black, SWAT zombies in Dead Center, the Survivor zombies in the Swamp Fever and the bridge EXPLODING while you're running through it
Ngl, I want an exploding bridge in the Passing
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola I think you mean the Parish
L4D1 is 2 weeks after the first infection, and No Mercy starts a few days after widespread outbreak. Infected were known, carriers were being discovered, and the military/CEDA was mobilizing when the northeast was hit like wildfire (likely because the NE USA is a tourism hotspot). Several of the campaigns are back to back full of desperation and chaos, with some covering less than a mile of travel. Blood Harvest, military base (likely in South Carolina as there are several training bases in the state), a train ride to Passing (likely along the Mississippi or one of its southern tributaries in northern Louisiana). Its unclear but we can assume the gang arrives at the bridge between 3 and 5 weeks after first infection, LIKELY its close to 4.
In the South, the military and CEDA are much more active and prepared, likely due to the much easier to manage population centers seperated by long stretches of interstates and lack of general tourism. Outbreaks are contained and isolated, carriers are being identified and removed from camps.
A few days before the outbreak in the NE, our survivors find their way to Savannah to be evacuated. Ellis and Keith build an apocalypse rig but are forced to leave it behind. They make their way through CEDA's makeshift camps in the Mall, Hotel and in between, likely slippi g through the carrier tests with a mix of chaos, luck and unproven testing, and as carriers slip through they share food and water, sleep in over crowded rooms and mingle. Just as the evacuation is in full swing the outbreak occurs, perhaps at the same time or a few days after the NE outbreak. Panic, chaos, people rushing the hotel. Our survivors manage to make it through. Keith and Ellis are seperated at this point, perhaps Keith made it back to their truck and made it out of town, which is why Ellis doesnt have the keys or ever tries to find it through Dead Center.
Because we are in the middle of a sudden outbreak, this explains the burning hotel, lack of special infected, and concentrated hordes in our path as well as the hasty makeshift barricades between the CEDA checkpoints.
What set off the explosive and sudden turning of thousands all at once? Many diseases are known to lie dormant until theyve infected a larger population, then spring forward as if coordinated. This happens with the regular flu every year, so why not the Green Flu?
Regardless, this explains dead center. To explain the timeline, L4D2 is much more spread out. Carnival is assumed to be 2-3 days after Center but i believe it to be nearly a week, given the chaos, danger and given The Passing (assuming its between 3 and 4 weeks after first infection), our total timeline hints at either a delayed outbreak in the South, or at least a much more tame outbreak compared to the northeast with a solid extra week for CEDA and the military to operate (and operate with the knowledge of the NE outbreaks) hence the stark contrast between the two games.
The main reason for a large gap between Center and Carnival is to give the characters time to grow and bond, which the first game clearly lacked and the comics sought to rectify inbetween Harvest and Sacrifice.
All speculation of course, but this all ties it up nicely if our gang was on the road for about a week, which allowed the virus to flood population centers and develop a sizeable number of specials and hordes if Center is happening as an outbreak tears through Savannah
The Left 4 Dead 2 timeline is an idea I had for a video, it's so fun (and difficult) to break down.
I'm currently working on the Swamp Fever video, which also has a ton of lore implications. Mainly Village En Marais, which was likely one of the last holdouts at least in the south. We can also confirm that the survivors left the plantation house 3 days before the survivors crashed into the swamp.
The time in between Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever is also very hard to gauge. Assuming the turning process starts very shortly after coming into contact with a Carrier, they could have been flying for as long as 5-20 minutes. again its speculation but im willing to bet that Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever were less than a day apart, considering that they left the carnival at night and the sun rises at the end of swamp fever, its entirely possible that the events of Dark Carnival and Swamp Fever happen in the same 8-12 hour window.
@@ImNotConz i always personally believed the timeline and deep lore was intentionally messy and/or vague because Valve wanted to convey that these survivors have no desire let alone ability to keep track of time to the hour and study the infected in detail or read through notebooks and study charts at every camp they happen to come across, which also sells the chaotic desperation that much better.
Wall grafitti also suggests the time of infection is seemingly random, as no one can agree on it. After being bitten, some said hours to over a day, others say minutes. As i said, many viruses work like a timebomb, waiting to show symptoms while they spread inside you and suppress the immune response. It could be that the average person takes a few hours once definitively exposed, changing based on concentration (4 carriers in an enclosed metal can potentially sharing food/drink with a single non carrier vs a handful among hundreds in the open air at a processing station).
(Looking forward to swamp fever btw, its a very glossed over campaign in all types of videos, and the Mudmen are so HATED.)
I'll tell you this
Swamp Fever has a surprising amount of lore, mainly with the Village and the people that lived there. I was expecting a 6-7 minute video of me reaching for shit to talk about but if you do the digging, there is a lot of interesting shit in this campaign.
Video should be up in the next couple of days
I think you're being a bit generous with how long the survivors are traveling for
I always liked the idea that the L4D2 survivors literally just met in the climb up the stairs and its due to their nature as carriers that caused everyone in the hotel to turn in the time when they passed them and when they head back down. I also loved how L4D2 and Dead Center set up this theme of the survivors being right on the edge of the infection and always getting to the "safe zone" of the campaign right as its overrun, almost as if they're a part of the undead army.(which they kinda are, being carriers)
EDIT: This has also made me realize something. So due to their nature as carriers, the L4D2 survivors kinda bring death and destruction with them wherever they go. You could see them, in a way, as the four horsemen of the apocalypse. The colors of the four horsemen are Black, Red, Pale, and White. Coach is black, Rochelle has a pink shirt on (pink is just red lightened by white), Ellis' shirt is a very Pale yellowish color, and Nick's suit is white.
A bit of a stretch but interesting nonetheless.
For the note of the 4 horsemen they have meanings; white is conquest, black is famine, red is war and pale is death.
It makes a lil sense if they rep the choices you made; Nick is a gambler, he conquests the game, Coach is constantly talking about food but it's never really implied in the game he actually gets to eat, Rochelle is a news reporter who was doing reports on CEDA's war against the infected (also news just reports on wars a lot lol), and Ellis is shown in the trailer/intro with a whole lot of guns strapped to him as well as being the character who not only gets charged by a charger but also spat on by the Spitter, road by the jokey and caught by the smoker, which in game can lead to an death without teammates.
It adds on my own personal head cannon that the L4D2 survivors are actually special infected themselves, just a highly intelligent one that subconsciously searches for populated areas to infect more people. Hence why despite knowing CEDA and the military are suspicious in the Parish they still go on with the plan to go to the military (where the most survivors probably are). It also explains how they can survive being thrown around by the special infected and to add on more, when they die they actually don't, the infection brings them back and that's why they 'respawn' in the closets. The reason why infected still attack them is that they've evolved too much to be recognised by the green flu victims and have essentially become their own virus.
IDK I'm probably stretching this wayyyy too far but it's fun to think about.
@@kyoskii3767 the Left 4 Dead 2 survivors being their own special breed of infected would be the craziest twist, and I'm not going to lie, I'm kind of here for it
The witches having a semblance of intelligence (not much, but just enough to remember their previous lives) also shows that the Green Flu doesn't just turn zombies into mindless killing freaks 100% of the time, and it clearly likes to mutate, so it taking someone who is immune to the undead symptoms and giving them the boosted stats of a special infected anyway would be that extra little "screw you" to humanity, as it gives the flu's biggest chance of spreading (the carriers) the resilience and strength to make it across a nation of ravenous undead and an emboldened desire to be in a populated area.
0:19 that jockey flew like a hunter would've
I think the super high fov makes it seem faster.
PLEASE continue this series. The way you reiterate lore while also adding new details and evidence to it that I’ve never thought of before when watching other lore creators like WowSuchGaming makes me feel like I’m just learning the lore again. Actually focusing within each campaign’s story and the tie ins it has makes each of these videos a fun watch.
Trying my best, and thank you for the kind words
@@ImNotConz You should do Swamp Fever next. The somber story about the villagers being infected, the survivors respecting their residence, and the existence of infected livestock and swamp people can definitely make an interesting story.
These videos are so gooood! I was researching and rewatching some l4d lore as of recently, and I'm glad someone else brought these videos to modern light.
yeah the boomer bile friendly fire line is a thing (using bile the world/players mod) they technically all have dialogue for getting biled from a teammate, rochelles is the most specific, ellis also has a specific one he'll either say dont throw that on me or dont throw that shit on me. Coach and nick basically just use a reused friendly fire line, Coach can also just say "MOTHER!"
I love the view from the rooftop...you can see another building of the same size that's also on fire..the freeway, the forest, all through a smoky haze, surprisingly a lot of detail
Att 5:56 when rochelle says that the infected are gonna swarm her is not something cut from the game. If you throw a bile boom at your friends they will reacts very angry and the infected will swarm them
You got a great series going on. It’s really great to see more l4d content on UA-cam. 👍
1:25 I've been trying to think how that last line would work biologically lol.
His dad fucked his sister and out came ellis
a man impregnated his daughter, thus her son is her half brother.
@@CrowAthas lmfao good one.
so funny thing i can somewhat answer about the 'how did they not see the zombies they pass up the stairs during the trailer for l4d2?' 1:27 question.
you forgot one special line nick says when he sees a common infected for the first time on dead center.
he says 'JESUS THERE ATTACKING NOW?' this is key to realizing what happened.
the hotel was in mass panick. nick,ellis,coach, and rochelle saw weak, sick not fully infected people everywhere who were docile for the time being, maybe some were getting verbally agrressive and pale.
they decided to run to the roof and see whats happening to see fires on the horizon and on the building and helicopters flying off leaving them. they decide somethings off so they get a weapon found on the roof and slowly walk back down expecting people to just be pannicking and on the floor sick. only to see fully infected people. some already mutating. the infected turn to see the carriers. and go beserk.
i like this series youve done its very cool.
it coulda been alot differant but not far off from this.
like maybe some people were already attacking others before they got to the roof but the 4 didnt see it they only heard the screaming so they thought taking pistols was the right choice.
idk it was def something like i described though
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA i ever tell you about the time me and my buddy keith
It's exceptionally rare, and I have played Left 4 Dead 2 a lot, but sometimes Jimmy Gibbs Junior will spawn as a zombie and run out from behind the banner as you approach the stock car in the mall finale. I think I've seen him only twice. But it does happen.
2:37 Maybe they met when they entered the building, in the same time or one by one, but simply didn't have time to ask for names because they were running after the helicopter.
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@@peanutbutterpops6108 😘
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Can i have a kiss too?
this will be in my brain
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Man these videos are QUALITY def got a new sub
I'd be interested to see how you would tackle Swamp Fever. The whole campaign breathes (or rather, reeks) of atmosphere, ESPECIALLY when you find the crashed plane in the middle of the swamp.
It would be fun, and thats a really good way to put it. Playing swamp fever always felt different than the other campaigns, and I think thats because its setting is easily the most discrete and (I swear this is the best word I could find) Alien setting and environments. Its such a different experience when compared to the other campaigns.
Growing up I realize how relatable nick is now
Jimmy Gibbs Jr is the MAN
yeah it's still a rabbit hole
damn I should've recommend Beejie Bean's SFM Dead Center and The Passing..
anyways can't wait for the Dark Carnival
Kinda sad she didn't make any continuation for other campaigns
I have never heard that line from nick about ellis but I love it
Correct me if I’m wrong but in the intro to L4D2 doesn’t nick say the following “come on coach maybe the helicopter maybe it’s made of chocolate” wouldn’t that imply they met up or some have already met up and just meeting the others?
No, you are totally right and it's a great point, and also just adds to the confusion. Gameplay dialogue suggest that they met as they were running up the stairs, but movie intro suggest otherwise.
Idk man it don't make no sense.
@@ImNotConz maybe nick and coach met up earlier than ran into the other 2 I mean it’s been years since I played these beautiful games
Using "Look!" to Coach (except Rochelle since i've never tested her Dead Center playthrough before)
doesn't really say a different name like they do to the others
Ellis for one has a friendly fire line that says
"I can see you weren't the shooting Coach"
Even before they meet at the elevator meaning they knew he was some sort of Coach they just didn't know that he was literally named and called Coach
That said, i think Trailer Dialogue would be pretty canon
That's what I've been saying! 😱
Yea honestly it’s not that big of deal since Coach isn’t even his real name anyways, in the elevator he just says “my friends call me Coach” so idk why but he’s so reluctant to reveal his real name when the others did no problem
You should've included Rochelle's excitement at the gun store. It's both funny and adorable.
I was shocked when Elise actually said happy New years days before the 2016 new years.
Fun fact: in the intro, when Nick said "Come on *COACH* The helicopter, maybe it's maybe out of chocolate*
Nick actually says Coach in the stares and coach has a shotgun?
And if you kill a survivor they will say their name before the elevator
I used to play this game a lot with my brother when we were younger I'm a huge fan of survival stuff just because of it
Thank you for breaking down the stories of it it brought me a lot of nostalgia
Boomer bile friendly fire is something that you can mod. Look for a mod called "Bile the world." This mod not only adds friendly fire for the BB, but it also have the Boomer's explosion affect any infected around it.
And yes, there are specific voice lines that play if you accidentally hit a teammate.
I am downloading and trying this at the soonest convenience
The reference to chocolate is likely a reference to Coach EATING chocolate in the L4D2 trailer.
Which makes it seem like they knew each other prior to Dead Center.
Also, had they been in the hotel waiting for evacuation with other survivors who turned when the four went upstairs, when did the fire start?
I think the zombies are the other people who were in the building and also failed to evacuate, but they became infected.
I've gone down a rabbithole of ld4 lore and I ain't stopping
1:59 to this day, this still confuses me
Im 4 months late but still gonna say this,
4:20 The elevator dialogue also changes depending on who died, and if its just nick and ellis, nick doesnt even reply.
Im happy to see someone else who loves these games soo much that you care about the story and characters! Me too not many people get it but I certainly do 👍
Damn I love these videos, keep up the great work man! :)
I love these break down videos on left 4 dead campaigns, cant wait for the next one
Witicer actually does have a model he has the same model as the infected surviver in the passing
2nd comment: i just watched your l4d2 videos and i encourage you to make videos on all the l4d2 chapters. i would totally watch them all :)
I do plan on doing at least 90% of them (it gets complicated with Campigns like Crash Course and Cold Stream, Cold stream is not cannon and Crash Course just sucks and there's almost nothing of substance to actually talk about.
@@ImNotConz if you want i could possibly help in anyway, i really like l4d2 lol. if not then ill just sit here and happily have you be the first youtube channel ive ever turned notifs on for lol. cuz honestly ive never looked deep into the l4d2 lore
they go through the exit stairs in dead center while rochelle and ellis were throwing and barricadiywhile climbing up, though the fire made it worst to go back, they had to take the alternate route which is going past through infected, not zombies, they didn't know they are immune yet or as we know later on Carriers
The bile the world addon adds the friendly bilebomb back into the game
in the intro Nick says “come on coach, maybe the helicopter, maybe it’s made of chocolate” which doesnt make sense if the voice lines imply they dont know each other, unless Nick only knows Coach and knows of his fondness for chocolate
Nick is calling Coach fat
L4D, Dead Island, and Dead Rising were my early childhood games that taught me how cool envieonmental storytelling are. ngl w/o it zombie titles felt soulless
I think the reason why the survivors are surprised by the infected is due to the fact that they probably stayed in the stairway the entire time. Everyone else is either on the roof getting evacuated, or they're in the hotel itself already infected...
But this doesn't explain why the staircase suddenly gets blocked, and the survivors for some reason lost the guns they had in the cinematic.
Also did how the fire even started in the first place?? Do we have any certified fire investigators that can find out the cause? /j
the blockaged couldve been most likely other civilians running away from the infected and blocking the path to make it easier to run away
as some others have already said, l4d2's intro is probably not canon to the story. Likely made as hype material for the sequel (with lots, and LOTS of explosions)
This videos are so good!
Fun fact, Jimmy Gibbs Jr. has a zombie character model that can spawn in the final act. I’ve only noticed him spawn once though on xbox360
Aren't the odds of him showing up like really low though? Special chance encounter?
Apparently every 15th day there is a 33% chance for Jimmy Gibbs Jr to appear in the Dead Center finale.
I love how you chose the scenario where the black guy dies first
I recently found your UA-cam channel I can't wait to see if you make more videos than Left 4 Dead I can't wait to see you when you make more videos 😊
thank you very much
More videos are coming don't worry.
My personal favourite quote is when Coach gets jumped on by a Jockey on this map he sometimes says "Ellis? Is that you"?
Not sure if it's only in the last chapter but that's the only place I found it.
I know this may not be a very satisfying explanation, but there may not even be an in-universe explanation for the dialogue discrepancies. It could just be that the intro movie was done before the elevator dialogue was finalized and they just didn’t have time to change it
3:01 Amazing how simple game creating and world building is sometimes, just one simple prop provides enough lore to explain the new throwable puke. A small detail that does so much like that is why I love this game.
as someone who loves L4D as a decent distraction and time waster, these videos have given me a new perspective on the story as a whole. I know it's there, but these videos help me understand it more when I am more focused on shooting the infected. Great job I give it a 10/10 for being easy to digest and not overly complicated.
one thing i noticed about Whitaker is when someone goes down he tells you to forget them and just bring the cola
one thing i find funny in this map is that after killing a tank for the first time, nick will go on with his “so thats a tank huh?” line despite nobody saying the tanks name
Twitter is canon in l4d2 thanks to rochelle in one of his dialogues on the first safe room
This is true
I did leave this out of the video.
As someone from Savannah Georgia (city where Dead Center and many other zombie media has some connection to) I love to see how different parts of the city are made for games and shows. So far, the final chapter of the Telltale Walking Dead game gets it closest. This isn’t criticism, I do love that my hometown gets recognized for its beauty.
“personal favorite” that’s right!!!
another fantastic video, keep it up
1:50 I think that's supposed to be a trailer playing into how the campaigns are supposed to be movies, but maybe based on actual events that happened in universe?
i love ellis' jockey line in the first chapter," its a humper"
based on all the sleeping bags around its safe to say they only met after they were abandoned, if you remove the areas in the intro its very likely they only met as they were climbing the stairs, i fully believe that they were chilling in their rooms and once they reached thew top and the helicopter takes off that's when the infection has reached them.
unlike l4d1 its very likely they only just met, where are the l4d1 crew has probably been together for a few weeks post infection.
nick, coach, ellis and rochelle very likely only talked to each other once they found out they were "left for dead". [heh]
this is just my headcanon anyways, im sure its wrong or has flaws.
Noice. I call it a whirly as well Ellis. Cause of vice city.
At 6:11 i think the same voiceline plays for coach too, heard it in versus a handfull of times when both ellis and coach got nabbed by a jockey. This same voiceline can be played on multiple maps like dark carnival. Could be wrong through
I always had the idea that they were in that hotel with lots of normal people, then some zombies broke through and they started to infect everyone, then our carriers also were infecting people without noticing, AND THEN a fire started to spread out, consequence of the zombie attack the people in the hotel were suffering, our survivors ran away as quickly as they could to reach the Helicopter, but other survivors of that hotel were quicker and when they reached the rooftop the helicopter was already taking off
at 7:35 i could literally hear the credit music playing in my head since you werent letting it play, lol
Don't forget that you can exceedingly rarely see Gimmy Jibbs as a zombie in the mall
0:05 now *that's* a hot take.
It's a solid campaign
Not at all, a hot take would be like saying swamp fever is your favorite
Guys you don't get the joke, he means hot as in fire in dead center
Solid starter campain and respectable opinon
Internet users when they discover opinions:
It's important to note that on the way to the rooftop the infected were not yet fully turned, which is why seeing the zombies for the first time Nick will sometimes say: "They're attacking now‽"
I love this. I had no idea this game had lore beyond witty voice lines.
Definitely one of the best cinematic campaign ending cutscenes though
I just love Left4Dead so much man, I can't let it go.
If you ask me Whitaker is screwed. He just asked some carriers to bring him colas. Ignoring the fact said colas were on the ground of a pillaged super market with clear signs of violence and said carriers might have used the package to bash away zombies, with how contagious the Flu is, the close contact between the drinks and the carriers could be enough to end him as soon as he tries to drink them.
We can only hope he is a carrier.
I feel like the mysteries behind the group’s first meeting are pretty obvious, they all heard there was going to be an evacuation, they each were near enough to the hotel for that to be their best option, they went there just as the zombies started to swarm the crowded building, which is why the Helicopter leaves the survivors behind, the evacuation center has been overrun just as the Survivors reach it. They all meet up on the roof and are forced to work together to survive. It’s not that crazy that they haven’t seen zombies yet, especially since this area was previously safe since it was being used to evacuate people, but it eventually attracted the horde.
5:56 You can get her to say this with voice restoration mods; this works best with the "Bile the World Script", which allows friendly fire with Bile Bombs, and Boomers can be exploded on commons/special infected.
From what Ive put together, the rooftops was supposed to be an evacuation spot for survivors, our 4 protags are the stragglers who didn’t make it in time as the whirlybirds leave them, which I think explains why they’re going to the mall to try and catch another evac ride. As for Rochelle’s comment before that bit about seeing the zombies, I think now that she is in with a group of people and is kinda in the “downtime” on the rooftop, she’s just expressing her disbelief to someone (other protags) to cope. However I can agree it’s odd that she’s just now saying something about it despite working with the news station, but it could possibly be explained away by the fact that she’s just now in the mess herself and experiencing it first hand and not through footage
at 5:52 , for that particular voice line, Im pretty sure the survivors were gonna say something if you shot and exploded a boomer near them, hence why Rochelle said that the infected were gonna swarm her.
Just sounded the most logical to me
Please sir, when you do all the campaigns, can you make a playlist of the campaigns in chronological order?
2:21 he shoud say hey lets go gambling man rest of the voice line
that gamer tag of yours is something else my friend 😂
Had it since high school, never bothered to change it
Debating if I should.
Fun fact I’ve had Jimmy Gibbs Junior spawn at Dead Center twice. He’s hard to kill and flame resistant due to his suit.
The only thing I can theorize about Dead Center's lore compared to the trailer is that MAYBE it changed from them traveling with eachother into the hotel to it being them and multiple survivors stayed in the hotel with CEDA while the evacuation got set up. The hotel starts catching fire and gets overrun, maybe not in that order, while they're the last to make it to the roof as the chopper leaves in a panic. Could be why CEDA had a main office at the top floor. Begin campaign with little info on eachother and the zombies?
with the whitakker (i dont remember how its spelled) guy and how he said "with his defenses and literal stash of weapons, i think he'll be fine" you can find a zombie with a bandolier, health back, and sometimes pills or a pipebomb later in the game. not sure if its him but it could be
Actually Whitaker turned, i was playing rochelle for the very first time in dead center and didn't know where to go so i was just waiting in the slot thingy, idk but in a couple of minutes whitaker turned, he was using the mic thing and him turning was heard in the mic
I just watched some of your vid. And i am now super confused every vid. That i watch you said that those maps are your fav. And now dead center is your favorite lol
I may have referred to them as some of my favorite maps but I can confirm for you that Dead Center is in fact my favorite map. Has been for a while now
I like the theory that as they was going through to the rooftop to get off due to them being carriers they probably infected everyone due to being close and they all turned as they was running up the stairs because it looks like the infected were doing things prior to turning like the group in the room with the boards could have been talking when one turned leading to panic as a bunch have turned also could explain why we get so many special infected right off the bat so many people a bunch would turn into special ones
It also explains why when u open the door or go down the stairs zombies are already there they could have turned seconds after the cutscene played could be why the survivors are surprised when they see them because not even 2 seconds ago they was human
I love the detail that safe room reached responses have the possibility to be less positive and more stressed out about where everyone went in this one etc etc.
ill just be here rewatching this
This video was already old, but my theory is that they didn’t see the zombies on the way up because they took the staircase all the way up. you can see in the cinematic at the beginning that There’s no rubble on the stairs. Then the helicopter thing happens. they go back down and by the time they go back down things like chargers, have entered the building as it’s being overrun and knocked out the staircases, forcing them to go through the populated hallways. if they arrived at this evacuation point even half an hour before it was overrun, they would have entered the stairwell before zombies started rising up the levels and infecting people as they go up. We see plenty of zombies, climbing up the walls and windows specifically special infected appearing on rooftops so it’s not entirely unlikely. It got overrun from outside access points, leaving the stairwell completely closed off . Even more plausible as stairwell doors tend to be heavier than regular doors so regular non heavy infected can’t break them or sense survivors thru them.
1:40 its also confusing because we do kinda see how the survivors get to the roof, in the intro trailer that you see when you boot up the game you see them walking up the stairs to the roof, you can hear it when coach says "who the hell puts an evac station up 50 flights of goddamn stairs?" which is also confusing as in the scene before this they are seen fighting zombies, i believe that in the stairs scene they are seen with guns
2:38 its also very very weird, because if so they knew each others names, nick says "well COACH, maybe the helicopter- maybe its made of chocolate"
HONEY WAKE UP, CONZ DROPPED ANOTHER VIDEO!! pin me please
Pls pin this guy
It's worth noting that,
1. Whitaker did not do just fine, many point out that, when you no-clip to take a look at him shooting down a way to the mall, his Dead Center model is a low poly design shared by a higher quality uncommon survivor infected from The Passing you can chase down, suggesting he got infected on his way to the same city while venturing outside.
2. I'm pretty sure it's usually Rochelle that introduces the new special infected, maybe even all. Shows her journalism background but also that maybe some places "farther from patient 0" could've had survivors better informed/prepared than others via news shows going after the information, maybe to undo any "damage control" CEDA or another entity could've employed back when they though the green flu was manageable. Iirc she's even all the way from Ohio and was sent to produce news like she mentioned, backed by wiki/promo material.
In chapter 1 of DC, Ro has a lot of lines like "They've been calling them (Insert SI Name)" and Nick will often respond with the voice lines I showed in the video.
Rochelle certainly knows the name of the special infected because of her news connections that is for sure and I should have showed that. Rochelle uses that info and basically forwards it to the survivors throughout the duration of DC.
As for Whitaker, yea could have gone more in depth there.
I believe friendly fire with the boomer bile was once possible in early releases of the console version. I don’t see or have footage but going off memory I feel that I remember throwing it at one of the survivors and it would act just like a boom puked on them, summoning a hoard and only perusing the affected survivor.
dunno if its mentioned yet, but in the chapter one elevator, if a survivor dies before reaching the elevator, a unique voice line will play based on who the dead person was. Usually something along the lines of "who was that guys name" or something