Rob Zombie should have done the Texas Chainsaw Massacre not Halloween. His style is totally compatible with TCM. Edit I've never seen House of 1,000 corpses. Edit : I still haven't seen 1,000 corpses.
It's been my experience that most metal/rock guys generally are because instead of just sitting there full of pent up rage they let it out once in a while.
Madison Price I would personally love a skate park by my house. I don’t skate anymore but it’d be a cool thing for the community. Rob zombie is just a lame old man. Who the fuck complains about a noisy skate park, old people and busybodies that’s who. Don’t like it then move! He can afford to pick up and move anywhere else unlike most people.
They used my sisters high-school as the hospital, Alcovy in GA. It was insane what they did. They built the guard tower, and the next day it was gone. Construction in film is amazing
Jason Kennedy yeah a lot of them still say it is considering that it “remakes” everything that happens AFTER the original. In a way it still is a remake. But I know what you mean.
Whether you liked the Halloween remake or not (I personally don’t since the original is my all time favorite movie), you have to give credit to Zombie for fighting to have complete creative control over the project. Not many filmmakers have the balls that he does to push back against a film studio that’s trying to stick their nose in too much and maintain control over a movie.
I loved rob zombies versions of Halloween at least the first one. I remember sneaking into Halloween 1 in 2007 when I was 11 and it creeped me out to say the least. I got home in a pitch black house and thought my life was gonna end. To me that means he did a good job lol 👍
@punkd Shoenice22 on video dude he was fucking 11 at the time and being creeped out by a horror movie absolutely has nothing to do with being taken advantage of by people. Stop being a dick in UA-cam comment section
@punkd Shoenice22 on video you’re just angry that your comment is extremely invalid 🤷🏻♂️ sorry to burst your bubbles but nobody gives a fuck about your macho act bud
@@Billy_Lenz LOL misunderstood. No, it was understood correctly for the trash that it was. Halloween 2018 and Kills are absolute masterpieces compared to Zombie's garbage.
Halloween is that franchise where you can tell which one had more creativity from the writers and what had studio interference. I appreciate every installment and find some to be good popcorn movies. Other's I'm terrified
Nightmare on Elm Street is another one. You can tell which ones the creative people involved had time to flush out ideas, and which ones were streamlined and just pushed through
I agree, 1,2,4 and 5 were what I grew up with and will always have a spot in my heart because of watching them during sleepovers with friends and cousins and being terrified to shut the lights off to go to bed. The Curse got weird and I even realized it as a kid bit still enjoyed it. I remember how excited I got when I saw the commercials for H20 just to be let down, Resurrection was an absolute joke and everyone knows that. The announcement of Rob Zombies reboot got me pumped and it delivered, fuck the haters.
I want Rob Zombie to get his hands on a killer script. The dude has a good eye and knows how to direct actors well. He is unique enough and has his own natural creative spin on things to make somebody else's story come to life if the story is both good and matches his sensibilities. Absolutely love the guy, whatever he churns out. Big fan since the La Sexorcisto days.
It honestly is I was scared watching it as a kid and yeah as you grow up you realize it wasn’t the BEST but still good though to watch I feel like this 2018 remake and Halloween Kills were ok people are overhyping them making it seem they are great when really they weren’t that scary or crazy but they did have some good scenes here and there.
I have to say it. If there were an old vs new by Nostalgia Critic, I think he would give a point to the remake for having a better Loomis. While Donald Pleasence is good, he seems to just be a Van Helsing stereotype in the original. In the remake, you get more insight into what it was like being Michael's doctor and he was a lot more sympathetic. This is why I wish Rob had kept the alternate ending in his remake. Because there's a moment where Loomis really reaches out to Michael and it works.
@@casesoutherland4175 I think Donald is perfect for the original because that movie kinda thrives on that mystique and stereotype you're describing. At the same time, I loved Malcolm in the RZ movie. I also think the original ending is 100x better than the gunshot ending. It makes sense with the rest of the movie.
His Halloween wasn’t bad, his michael was pretty scary since he was so giant. I just don’t think mike needed a backstory, the later movies got goofy with that, and his didn’t work either.
ThatOneOddLookingDog ThatBarksAtYou that’s why for me in the new one that came out, the Laurie stride connection was kinda wonky. I still enjoyed the movie, the end showdown just didn’t make too much sense since they weren’t related.
@@walshdog61 So give him backstory as "the shape." Otherwise it's just an excuse for shit storytelling (which was sufficient in the 70s-90s but not now).
Didn't like his Myers. He talked it ruined the character for me lol. Like others have pointed out a Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake would've been more up his ally
To me what I especially did not like was the ending of the first one where Lori still lives but is essentially mangled. Huge difference compared to the original
First was garbage, but it had some style on it, it was like watching dirty nitty gritty garbage, but you liked it. It’s like eating a Big Mac, you enjoy it but it will fuck your stomach up. Second now... that one is just shit.
Love it too. Zombies best movie imo. I know a lot of people love rejects but his Halloween is great. The scariest most terrifying MM ever put on screen so far.
My biggest issue with Zombie's Halloween was the unnecessary, often comically deranged and fucked up background he created for Michael Myers. It killed the mystique of the character and almost made you say "Well, no wonder he turned out the way he did." Think about it: what's more terrifying: 1) Zombie's vision of MM 2) A supposedly normal child in suburbia who, inexplicably, possesses depths of unimaginable evil. Who has no reason to be a killer, but simply is. No remorse, no empathy, not even a motive. Just walking death. I'd go with two, but that's just my humble opinion.
Took the words right out of my mouth. It's not that Zombie gave Michael a background, it's that he changed the background. The family was unintentionally hilarious.
My opinions on his Halloween movies is that it seened liked he focused more on a madness angle than a paranormal one . It just seemed like his Halloween movie was eyecandy for psychologist and sociologist if that makes sense.
@@rabbitholeguy the only ugly was the beginning with his step-father, sister and bully(well, those custodians in the original vr but that is rare to see so.. Doesn't count now I guess.) The rest was fine. Laurie and her friends were likeable. The adoptive parents were the same way. The Sheriff is also likeable and not ugly. TONS of characters that aren't what you described. At all. Michael Myers also fits that "Shape" description. Tyler mane is a GIANT and is huge. You'd shit your pants in a heartbeat. Also the grunts Michael does in the remake when he's stabbing that lady in the hospital.. The movie is great. Definitely exceeds the original by a lot. More streamlined and digestible. More fears, and thrills. The new remakes are garbage. They're less horror and more action. They're barely written to make sense, like they had 100 writers to make 1 page each without working together on those pages lol. Halloween Kills is for sure the worst in the franchise to date. Considering we have Resurrection... It's kinda fucked to think someone went out of their way to make a WORSE Halloween movie than Resurrection.
I love Rob Zombie's Halloween, never bothered to watch the sequel. One of my favorite remakes alongside Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, John Carpenter's The Thing, Jeff Goldblum's The Fly, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003, and The Hills Have Eyes.
I did that. I went to Rob Zombie's Haunting World of El Superbeasto Screening. He was there and after the film they handed us Mics and talk about what we did and didn't like.
As a born and raised Philadelphian and big fan of all his movies, I hope Zombie eventually ends up making the Broad Street Bullies movie that he was rumored to be working on before 3 From Hell was even announced. Go Flyers!
I love Silver Bullet, but for me I gotta go with The Howling. To this day in my opinion the werewolves from The Howling are the scariest looking of all time.
Yeah dont get that. They must be going purely on numbers it did (if it did bad ) saying it sucked. Del Toro didn't want to be in that movie? I saw that more as the character...yeah lol he wasn't too happy most of the time. The atmosphere of the movie was A+ dark, gloomy. Dunno maybe it had some flaws but I tend to overlook those when they nail the vibe.
As a fan of the original universal monsters, and the work Rick Baker has done, I loved the newest take on the Wolfman. Benicio del Toro played Lawrence spot on (based on the newest backstory they created with his father). Let's not forget, the original played the relationship between the Talbots as a warm and caring one. This one had Lawrence a drunk who's suffered from extreme child abuse. The atmosphere, feel, and tone of the movie were all great. But I'm in no position to argue Rob Zombies point, just my own opinion.
Agreed. Underrated for sure, and definitely the best attempt by Universal to reboot the old, classic Universal Monsters. They haven't even come close to doing anything nearly as good in the time since.
I actually just watched The Devil's Rejects for the first time recently and I fuckin' loved it. Rob seems like such a chill guy too. Can't wait to watch the full episode.
If you want to talk about studio meddling. Invite ZACK SNYDER, CHRIS TERRIO, DAVID AYER, JAY OLIVA to talk about WARNER BROS studio meddling with movies.
I did too! A million times better than Halloween Resurrection. It's my fourth favorite Halloween movie, topped only by the first three Halloween films.
I think the biggest issue with Rob Zombie's Halloween was that we never needed Michael Myers to have a backstory. And to me it actually works against his character. The whole spookiness of Michael Myers from the original Halloween was that he was just this evil person and there was really no reason why he was evil. Kind of similar to how in the Dark Knight we don't know the Joker's back story. And we are better off not knowing it. We just know that he's a Madman who wants to create chaos. He just wants to watch the world burn. Which is basically the same thing that Michael Myers was. So when you introduce a backstory it diminishes the Cornerstone thing that makes that character so great.
I agree. The original Michael Myers could withstand bullets. Or die and resurrect himself or whatever. There was something supernatural about him. The Rob Zombie version diminished the character, like you said, and turned him into a kid with problems. Zombie used poverty and a poor upbringing as a way to explain evil when in fact evil can lurk anywhere with even the best family. That's what John Carpenter got right. Also, at the end of part 2, Zombie used a switch-a-roo with UFO's or something to make Laurie evil. I just thought that was dumb.
@@serpentsepia6638 yep. And you could have made alterations to the story line without changing Michael. I think it would have been so much better if Michaels family was normal and wholesome and Michael still kills the bully and murders the family. Would have shown a backstory but kept it at simply and purely evil maintaining what makes Michael so creepy.
I love his first remake, but despised parts of the second. The visions, or dreams, of young Michael and his mom with the white horse, showing his face at the end - didn’t like em at all.
The second one was more experimental and while I would definitely watch it over Halloween Resurrection, it's low on the list. His first remake I really enjoy!
I wasn’t a Rob Zombie fan, not ever. I most definitely AM now. I think I’m going to have to give his films another look. Hearing these clips (I’ll have to listen to the whole podcast) actually made me think to myself, WoW, I actually identify with this guy way more that I thought I would. I too was the weird kid into horror movies (Fangoria magazine fanatic with pictures of crazy shit on my walls that freaked my parents out) and senior year of high school I’d discovered punk and that was it. That’s what I love about this show, it actually had me rethink many of my positions on many subjects and people. Hell, you even got me to like Ted Nugent again.
I love his Halloween movies, I was actually scared of Michael in his movies. And they were very dark films. The only complaint I have is giving Michael an Origin story and explaining him
@@folkscrazyouthere3076 "obviously better" lmao the new Halloween is injected with liberal garbage from beginning to end. It's laughable at best. Every decision Laurie Strode makes is facepalm worthy to say the least.
The visuals and cinematography were great in RZ version of halloween. Could have been wonderful if he cleaned up the trashy language and characters a little more. The 2007 halloween felt like a trashy beat for beat remake studio grab with just a little added back story for Myers. I actually enjoyed RZ's Halloween 2 more than the first. The second one felt more original and up his alley. I really liked the psychological aftermath deep dive into the characters and how realistic trauma is for some after those events.
I like how they highlighted on his childhood. But I think they made Michael a serial killer more than “the shape” or pure evil. I think that’s the scariest Michael Myers though
Yeah he was, he was actually intimidating so I don't understand why rob zombie's version gets so much hate, yeah part two was a gore fest but the first one was really good.
Part of what makes Michael Myers scary is that he’s like, a regular sized person. It’s hard to explain, but having him be so huge kind of takes out the mystery.
@@dhi1145 the way i see it, him being massive makes it worse. yeah a normal guy walking is scary, but a massive guy who could twist your head backwards in some raggedy old mask. that’s shit your pants terrifying to me
I loved both Robs Halloween films..especially Halloween 2.. he made it very different and very gritty his visions remind me of a cross between Texas chainsaw and last house on the left.
I thought hills have eyes was deeper than we were shown like how the original star wars had such depth to idea an set design. There's soo much more to this hills that wasn't put on screen. Hills needs a reboot that starts like rejects with a thousand fucking cops looking up at the hills.
They did a remake of Hills have Eyes in the mid 2000's and I thought it was much better than the original. I think it's those kinds of movies people should be focused on remaking, not Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street. Some good remakes would be: Phantasm, Scanners, Pet Sematary and Children of the Corn.
I remember reading in a "hit parader" article during the late 90's around 97 or 98 that Rob Zombie before "House of a 1,000 Corpses" was meant to direct the third "Crow" movie? And that they had talks of having Trent Reznor of "Nine Inch Nails" playing the lead!?
Rob zombie was my first concert i was 15 the crowd was so packed i was cramping up tryna make my way to the bathroom. I lost my shoe at the beginning went the whole show with 1 shoe stepping in beer puke an at the end some girl tryed walking off with my shoe i was like yo thats my shoe she said give her a kiss for it back lol i did Good time!
Loud Pack Every movie ever made is a cash grab. That’s the only reason films are made, to make money. Not trying to be rude or anything, just facts dawg.
Loud Pack Nobody sets out to make a lackluster movie on purpose sequel or not, they just try to make the best movie possible out of whatever they’re working with, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. But all movies are made to make more money at the end of the day because that’s how Hollywood works.
Loud Pack I just bought his other films recently and watched 31, Lords of Salem, and House of 1000 Corpses. I enjoyed them all and can’t wait to watch The Devil’s Rejects, 3 From Hell, and Haunted World of El Superbeasto.
Rob Zombie needs to remake the Friday the 13 movies, or even just one of them. I feel they’re right up his alley. More so than Halloween, but I absolutely love his retellings of Halloween.
Saw an interview with John Carpenter where he was asked about Rob's version of Halloween. In a nutshell John said Rob disrespected him and was a jerk. Wondering if that story is true or just Carpenters opinion/view of Zombie?
Zombie made it sound like John was really cold and short with him when he asked for his blessing to remake Halloween. John said Zombie's claim that he was rude wasn't true.
I love John Carpenter, but his Halloween is one of the most overrated generic horror movies I have ever seen. I will never understand how that movie became so iconic. I hate to say it but overall I think Rob Zombie's version is much deeper and thought-provoking.
@@Billy_Lenz that’s because you’re missing context for the time. Halloween 1 is generic by today’s standards, but that’s only because every slasher you’ve ever seen ripped it off! It was the first great slasher film, that’s why.
It’s not true and Carpenter later said they buried the hatchet. Rob was nothing but positive about Carpenter when he was promoting the film, Carpenter heard the wrong thing and attacked Rob.
I watched his Halloween for the first time a week ago and thought it was: A) Too long B) Had nasty people doing nasty things for no reason than to be nasty (In other words they didn't add to the plot/mythos, just upped the run time) C) Michael didn't seem to be going back for his sister until the movie randomly decided that's what he was doing. How did he know who she was or how to find her? D) Michael messing with his victims felt out of place. The horror of Michael is that he just kills. It's not a game. It's not like he has a goal or can be reasoned with. He's the fucking terminator. He doesn't get satisfaction from taunting and toying with prey. He kills, then moves on, then kills, then moves on. He doesn't put on sheets to pretend to be someone's BF, string up victims to put pumpkins on their heads, etc. E) The kills never felt fun or had much gore. The camera didn't focus on the actual kill as much as the movie relied on fake blood afterwards, with maybe one or two exceptions. The only thing I liked was Michael in the hospital as a child with the masks and when Michael as an adult would start wrecking shit, tearing down doors and walls and ceilings just going apeshit. Overall it was a 5/10 Meh movie that I'll gladly never watch again.
You do realize that in the original Halloween (1978) Michael puts a sheet over himself and pretends to be a girl’s boyfriend. So yes, Michael does put sheets on himself and pretend to be someone’s boyfriend lol.
I love the halloween franchise as a whole but I do agree with most of your points about his remake. The only one I can argue with is the last one where you say Michael doesnt mess with his victims but that scheet scene was a call back to the original where Michael did where a bed sheet and killed that girls bf so I mean michale can be theatrical with his kills lol
@@williammelendez2568 Funny you point that out because I had completely forgot about that scene but I rewatched the original in 4k for the first time and saw that and went "oh I'm dumb" lol but it still feels like a weird decision even for Carpenter to do in the original but thats just me.
It's too long because the studio had him reshoot the ending. The movie originally ends with Myers killed by police in front of the house. They added on reshoots of Myers getting up and going after Laurie again. I agree it's too long and it's because of the studio wanting that protracted ending in my opinion.
@@JayceKeller728 Yeah I recently rewatched it since I picked up the 4k steelbook and it reminded me they did that. I will admit I'm a big dumb dumb. Not sure why but I always thought of Michael as how I describe him in the original comment, just a ruthless killing psychopath who has no reason to mess with his victims but that's just my take on what he should be? I think I took an issue with Rob's version of the sheet scene because Michael is comically much larger and it's obviously not her BF and she's like "stop messing around" thinking it's him lol. I literally laughed at the expectation that we're to believe that she believes that's her BF. It's not as cheesily done or obvious in the original in my opinion.
If Rob Zombie does another film, he should film it in Grand Junction, CO. It's the perfect town for one of his films. The scenery and atmosphere is like a Robert Rodriguez and Zombie film.
i was just thinking. damon dash would be great on the rogan podcast. i'm no dame fan, but he likes to talk. he has a chip on his shoulder. it would be very entertaining.
Rob Zombie should have done the Texas Chainsaw Massacre not Halloween. His style is totally compatible with TCM. Edit I've never seen House of 1,000 corpses.
Edit : I still haven't seen 1,000 corpses.
Just waiting for that glorious day for years bro
We have the house of the 1000 corpses, his own tcm
@@waxuugorefan yeah exactly what I was about to say. 1000 Corpses is pretty much a retelling of TCM
Omfg why didnt i think of that
@@waxuugorefan I've never seen that movie but I'll check it out if it's like TCM.
Not how I imagined how Rob Zombie sounds like
AGREED!
Yeah I thought his songs were just him speaking regularly over tracks.
I thought he would have a natural transgender voice with a mild lisp for a delicate delivery.
Is English your second language?
Not how I imagined Rob Zombie would sound like.
Dank Helmet no I accidentally hit how twice but the message remains the same
Rob Zombie looks like such a chill guy.
Byler Barton I know 😂😂
It's been my experience that most metal/rock guys generally are because instead of just sitting there full of pent up rage they let it out once in a while.
He really isn’t. He’s been known to call the police on skateboarders lol. Should tell you how “chill” he is.
willou901 I was just about to say he looks dirty
Madison Price I would personally love a skate park by my house. I don’t skate anymore but it’d be a cool thing for the community. Rob zombie is just a lame old man. Who the fuck complains about a noisy skate park, old people and busybodies that’s who. Don’t like it then move! He can afford to pick up and move anywhere else unlike most people.
Anyone else notice how the further away you are, the more Rob Zombie looks like a lion
So true!
Ha yep
LMFAO
How high were you when you noticed this ?? 😂
@@peterhalleron4684 Never done drugs of any kind beyond caffeine, lol
Just wanna say, starship troopers is the most underrated good ass movie
Big Trouble Little China bro..
@@WoeBringer1195 you know what jack burton says at a time like this???
The book is better mate
That movie is da bomb. Saw in theatres
@murray1234567891011 ive heard its supposed to be a parody of the us military which tbh I can see.
They used my sisters high-school as the hospital, Alcovy in GA. It was insane what they did. They built the guard tower, and the next day it was gone. Construction in film is amazing
Roe “ They’re doing coke, coming up with ideas “ Jogan.
LMAO yuuuuup
He might be right.
The irony here is Harvey Weinstein was more of a monster than the entire Halloween remake.
Dumb question: Which remake? This one or 2018?
@@somegeekguy this one but Harvey produced so many movies
@@somegeekguy 2018 was a sequel to the original, not a remake :-)
Jason Kennedy yeah a lot of them still say it is considering that it “remakes” everything that happens AFTER the original. In a way it still is a remake. But I know what you mean.
I don't know, the remake is pretty bad!
Whether you liked the Halloween remake or not (I personally don’t since the original is my all time favorite movie), you have to give credit to Zombie for fighting to have complete creative control over the project. Not many filmmakers have the balls that he does to push back against a film studio that’s trying to stick their nose in too much and maintain control over a movie.
He did, he's just using the usual tactic of blaming the studio for his trash film.
Yeah but is that a good thing?
@@HTHAMMACK1 no
@@HTHAMMACK1 John carpenter new Halloween movies are dog shit.
@@HTHAMMACK1 Nah. Him and Wes Craven have been saying studios have been meddling in their movies for decades.
I loved rob zombies versions of Halloween at least the first one. I remember sneaking into Halloween 1 in 2007 when I was 11 and it creeped me out to say the least. I got home in a pitch black house and thought my life was gonna end. To me that means he did a good job lol 👍
@punkd Shoenice22 on video dude he was fucking 11 at the time and being creeped out by a horror movie absolutely has nothing to do with being taken advantage of by people. Stop being a dick in UA-cam comment section
@punkd Shoenice22 on video well we got a tough guy over here Mr Alpha
@punkd Shoenice22 on video you’re just angry that your comment is extremely invalid 🤷🏻♂️ sorry to burst your bubbles but nobody gives a fuck about your macho act bud
The sequel was amazing and completely misunderstood. It's definitely better than Halloween 2018 or Hallowee Kills.
@@Billy_Lenz LOL misunderstood. No, it was understood correctly for the trash that it was. Halloween 2018 and Kills are absolute masterpieces compared to Zombie's garbage.
Halloween is that franchise where you can tell which one had more creativity from the writers and what had studio interference. I appreciate every installment and find some to be good popcorn movies. Other's I'm terrified
Nightmare on Elm Street is another one. You can tell which ones the creative people involved had time to flush out ideas, and which ones were streamlined and just pushed through
I agree, 1,2,4 and 5 were what I grew up with and will always have a spot in my heart because of watching them during sleepovers with friends and cousins and being terrified to shut the lights off to go to bed. The Curse got weird and I even realized it as a kid bit still enjoyed it. I remember how excited I got when I saw the commercials for H20 just to be let down, Resurrection was an absolute joke and everyone knows that. The announcement of Rob Zombies reboot got me pumped and it delivered, fuck the haters.
Joe " do you think Michael Myers is just a dmt alien" Rogan
I want Rob Zombie to get his hands on a killer script. The dude has a good eye and knows how to direct actors well. He is unique enough and has his own natural creative spin on things to make somebody else's story come to life if the story is both good and matches his sensibilities. Absolutely love the guy, whatever he churns out. Big fan since the La Sexorcisto days.
I'm a huge horror fan and honestly Rob Zombie's Halloween is the most underrated reboot of all time.
Halloween 2018 looks like he would run away at the sight of RZ's Myers
Rob zombies halloween is a classic undefeated horror film. Its Raw, brutal but also has heart and backstory. Sucks he never got to do a 3rd
No, it’s really bad. It get just the right amount of attention.
Agreed. I love Rob Zombie's Halloween!
It honestly is I was scared watching it as a kid and yeah as you grow up you realize it wasn’t the BEST but still good though to watch I feel like this 2018 remake and Halloween Kills were ok people are overhyping them making it seem they are great when really they weren’t that scary or crazy but they did have some good scenes here and there.
The Zob Zombie Halloween movies are pretty damn underrated. Casting Malcom McDowell as Loomis was fucking genius.
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I have to say it. If there were an old vs new by Nostalgia Critic, I think he would give a point to the remake for having a better Loomis. While Donald Pleasence is good, he seems to just be a Van Helsing stereotype in the original. In the remake, you get more insight into what it was like being Michael's doctor and he was a lot more sympathetic. This is why I wish Rob had kept the alternate ending in his remake. Because there's a moment where Loomis really reaches out to Michael and it works.
@@casesoutherland4175 I think Donald is perfect for the original because that movie kinda thrives on that mystique and stereotype you're describing. At the same time, I loved Malcolm in the RZ movie. I also think the original ending is 100x better than the gunshot ending. It makes sense with the rest of the movie.
I think that was a genuinely good move. Some things about those films were very good
Rob zombie needs to recreate the Texas chainsaw massacre
Murder with a chainsaw is a serious crime
L L no
L L i think the First Remake from Michael Bay was pretty good to be honest
Vito Andolini I agree. For a main stream movie, it was pretty violent and scary
House of 1000 corpses basically is tcm 2
His Halloween wasn’t bad, his michael was pretty scary since he was so giant. I just don’t think mike needed a backstory, the later movies got goofy with that, and his didn’t work either.
It worked amazingly in the first
ThatOneOddLookingDog ThatBarksAtYou that’s why for me in the new one that came out, the Laurie stride connection was kinda wonky. I still enjoyed the movie, the end showdown just didn’t make too much sense since they weren’t related.
Bingo. He is supposed to embody evil, we aren’t supposed to know him as human - purely as the shape.
@@walshdog61 So give him backstory as "the shape." Otherwise it's just an excuse for shit storytelling (which was sufficient in the 70s-90s but not now).
Yeah, it never made sense that Michael emerged at 21 like an Olympian bodybuilder. He was meant to be catatonic.
Didn't like his Myers. He talked it ruined the character for me lol. Like others have pointed out a Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake would've been more up his ally
I liked his first myers movie. The 2nd was a let down
To me what I especially did not like was the ending of the first one where Lori still lives but is essentially mangled. Huge difference compared to the original
Yes he should've done TCM because it's up his alley and the one that was made was truly bad.
First was garbage, but it had some style on it, it was like watching dirty nitty gritty garbage, but you liked it. It’s like eating a Big Mac, you enjoy it but it will fuck your stomach up. Second now... that one is just shit.
well the movie wasn’t made for you
I feel I'm alone in the fact that I loved his rendition of Halloween. I didn't love his sequel but I loved the first one.
Nah man, that was one of the best remakes of all time.
I agree man. 1st one was great. The 2nd one sucked
Love it too. Zombies best movie imo. I know a lot of people love rejects but his Halloween is great. The scariest most terrifying MM ever put on screen so far.
I thought his version was real good. but agree that the 2nd one sucked.
@CJ P. you are so wrong! it's more like 0.03%.
My biggest issue with Zombie's Halloween was the unnecessary, often comically deranged and fucked up background he created for Michael Myers. It killed the mystique of the character and almost made you say "Well, no wonder he turned out the way he did."
Think about it: what's more terrifying:
1) Zombie's vision of MM
2) A supposedly normal child in suburbia who, inexplicably, possesses depths of unimaginable evil. Who has no reason to be a killer, but simply is. No remorse, no empathy, not even a motive. Just walking death.
I'd go with two, but that's just my humble opinion.
thats how the OG michael myers was. he grew up in a loving home, then one night he just snapped, for no reason. much scarier imo
Took the words right out of my mouth. It's not that Zombie gave Michael a background, it's that he changed the background. The family was unintentionally hilarious.
In Mark Kermode's 'The Night He Came Home: John Carpenter's Halloween', Carpenter lets slip that Michael kills his sister Judith for "sexual reasons".
My opinions on his Halloween movies is that it seened liked he focused more on a madness angle than a paranormal one .
It just seemed like his Halloween movie was eyecandy for psychologist and sociologist if that makes sense.
Seems like how the new ones are through
@@rabbitholeguy the only ugly was the beginning with his step-father, sister and bully(well, those custodians in the original vr but that is rare to see so.. Doesn't count now I guess.)
The rest was fine. Laurie and her friends were likeable. The adoptive parents were the same way. The Sheriff is also likeable and not ugly.
TONS of characters that aren't what you described. At all.
Michael Myers also fits that "Shape" description. Tyler mane is a GIANT and is huge. You'd shit your pants in a heartbeat.
Also the grunts Michael does in the remake when he's stabbing that lady in the hospital..
The movie is great. Definitely exceeds the original by a lot. More streamlined and digestible. More fears, and thrills.
The new remakes are garbage. They're less horror and more action. They're barely written to make sense, like they had 100 writers to make 1 page each without working together on those pages lol.
Halloween Kills is for sure the worst in the franchise to date. Considering we have Resurrection... It's kinda fucked to think someone went out of their way to make a WORSE Halloween movie than Resurrection.
Love Rob Zombie's movies!!! From the Halloween remakes to 3 From Hell!
Rob Zombie is good at creating dark, brutal, gory scenes with a sinister sound design. He knows how to build suspense & terror. 💯
Zombie is like a manlier Duncan Trussell
Underrated take
I love Rob Zombie's Halloween, never bothered to watch the sequel. One of my favorite remakes alongside Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead, John Carpenter's The Thing, Jeff Goldblum's The Fly, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003, and The Hills Have Eyes.
The non Carpenter Thing film wasn’t a remake.
@@TheoriginalBillBraskey It's probably better labeled a "re-imagined" film.
Your fine. Dead mom, white horse, he talks at the end.
Wow a man with the same taste as me
all dope movies
Wish he'd talk more about growing up with spider one
Search Joe grizzly, he was no punk and gave Myers a killer right hand while in the shitter.
TheRoyalEnforcer I’m Joe Grizzly bitch!
He was working out that Mexican burrito haha.
I think joe grizzly was the guy in the original dawn of the dead
Punched Michael Myers in the face before he even got to finish his shit
Listen buddy if you're looking for some kind of action you better take it out on the arches before I'm done dropping this load
He looks kind of scary, yet has such a polite personality, very ambiguous.
I did that. I went to Rob Zombie's Haunting World of El Superbeasto Screening. He was there and after the film they handed us Mics and talk about what we did and didn't like.
As a born and raised Philadelphian and big fan of all his movies, I hope Zombie eventually ends up making the Broad Street Bullies movie that he was rumored to be working on before 3 From Hell was even announced. Go Flyers!
He talked about doing Broad Street Bullies movie in 2012 on Preston and Steve radio show in Philly.
Hopefully!
Silver Bullet is still to this day the BEST werewolf movie.
I love Silver Bullet, but for me I gotta go with The Howling. To this day in my opinion the werewolves from The Howling are the scariest looking of all time.
I love Del Toro’s wolf man, compared to other remakes it is gold.
The Wolfman is a movie we would all die to have now. A solid movie. A rarity. These days.
Yeah dont get that. They must be going purely on numbers it did (if it did bad ) saying it sucked. Del Toro didn't want to be in that movie? I saw that more as the character...yeah lol he wasn't too happy most of the time. The atmosphere of the movie was A+ dark, gloomy. Dunno maybe it had some flaws but I tend to overlook those when they nail the vibe.
As a fan of the original universal monsters, and the work Rick Baker has done, I loved the newest take on the Wolfman. Benicio del Toro played Lawrence spot on (based on the newest backstory they created with his father). Let's not forget, the original played the relationship between the Talbots as a warm and caring one. This one had Lawrence a drunk who's suffered from extreme child abuse. The atmosphere, feel, and tone of the movie were all great. But I'm in no position to argue Rob Zombies point, just my own opinion.
Agreed. Underrated for sure, and definitely the best attempt by Universal to reboot the old, classic Universal Monsters. They haven't even come close to doing anything nearly as good in the time since.
@@ChuckM0503 Dracula untold was very good too. For what these movies are supposed to be they are very well done imo
The Wolfman sucked
Always a pleasure listening to what Rob Zombie has to say.
I actually just watched The Devil's Rejects for the first time recently and I fuckin' loved it. Rob seems like such a chill guy too. Can't wait to watch the full episode.
If you want to talk about studio meddling. Invite ZACK SNYDER, CHRIS TERRIO, DAVID AYER, JAY OLIVA to talk about WARNER BROS studio meddling with movies.
The 80's Wolf how about Marc Webb with Sony lol. Those spiderman movies he made were just unfinished trash.
don't forget Fant4stic's Josh Trank
@@Presian94
True.
And Simon Kinberg with X-Men: Dark Phoenix. Forced to turn atleast 2-3 movies into one single movie
Darth Obito but trank was equally responsible since he showed up to set high and drunk every day and bullied the cast. Just saying, he didn’t help.
Well Zack and Chris are getting the chance to complete their full visions
Rob Zombie should be a co-host on the JRE. They mesh so well together.
I loved Rob’s Halloween.
I did too! A million times better than Halloween Resurrection. It's my fourth favorite Halloween movie, topped only by the first three Halloween films.
nah they sucked
Me: Take a drink every time he touches his head.
Me 4 Minutes Later: RIP
I think the biggest issue with Rob Zombie's Halloween was that we never needed Michael Myers to have a backstory.
And to me it actually works against his character. The whole spookiness of Michael Myers from the original Halloween was that he was just this evil person and there was really no reason why he was evil.
Kind of similar to how in the Dark Knight we don't know the Joker's back story. And we are better off not knowing it. We just know that he's a Madman who wants to create chaos. He just wants to watch the world burn.
Which is basically the same thing that Michael Myers was.
So when you introduce a backstory it diminishes the Cornerstone thing that makes that character so great.
He had to do it to distinguish it from the original
@@bigwhopper6501 I disagree. He could have made other alterations to the overall story line without giving a reason for his evil
I agree. The original Michael Myers could withstand bullets. Or die and resurrect himself or whatever. There was something supernatural about him. The Rob Zombie version diminished the character, like you said, and turned him into a kid with problems. Zombie used poverty and a poor upbringing as a way to explain evil when in fact evil can lurk anywhere with even the best family. That's what John Carpenter got right. Also, at the end of part 2, Zombie used a switch-a-roo with UFO's or something to make Laurie evil. I just thought that was dumb.
@@serpentsepia6638 yep. And you could have made alterations to the story line without changing Michael.
I think it would have been so much better if Michaels family was normal and wholesome and Michael still kills the bully and murders the family.
Would have shown a backstory but kept it at simply and purely evil maintaining what makes Michael so creepy.
It actually did the opposite for me. Made me appreciate him slaughtering everyone even more
I would love to see Zack Snyder on the Joe Rogan podcast, talks about all the bullshit and studio meddling WB tried to do on him.
I don’t think there’s ever been a case as bad as Zacks with studio meddling/interference with JL
@@1God1Christ And I thought Alien³ production was bad, this was way worse. Justice League is the biggest F'up in film history
@@TonyG8992 and Spider-Man 3. Sam Raimi is still ashamed of that movie.
Then he made his own version of the film and it was still a mess 🤷🏻♂️
@@trentcoleman9221 Hater
I love his first remake, but despised parts of the second. The visions, or dreams, of young Michael and his mom with the white horse, showing his face at the end - didn’t like em at all.
The second one was more experimental and while I would definitely watch it over Halloween Resurrection, it's low on the list. His first remake I really enjoy!
The second Halloween was my favourite after the original.
Sugar and lemon.
Beautiful Rob, beautiful.
Rob seem like such a chill ass dude , real shit 💯
I wasn’t a Rob Zombie fan, not ever. I most definitely AM now. I think I’m going to have to give his films another look. Hearing these clips (I’ll have to listen to the whole podcast) actually made me think to myself, WoW, I actually identify with this guy way more that I thought I would. I too was the weird kid into horror movies (Fangoria magazine fanatic with pictures of crazy shit on my walls that freaked my parents out) and senior year of high school I’d discovered punk and that was it. That’s what I love about this show, it actually had me rethink many of my positions on many subjects and people. Hell, you even got me to like Ted Nugent again.
I loved both of his Halloween movies, especially when Laurie strode turns evil at the end that was sick
According to Rob she died and that was her final moments was the vision of her mother and the white horse as she passed away.
Loved Halloween Rob Zombie cut!! Grew up watching 😄 favorite childhood movie bravo zombie!!!!
I love his Halloween movies, I was actually scared of Michael in his movies. And they were very dark films. The only complaint I have is giving Michael an Origin story and explaining him
The nigga ate a dog for no reason
@@doozie3004 He also did in the original
The One which one
Koopei not for no reason it was an explanation on how he survives and a disturbing attempt at showing how he eats at any cost
Koopei The ‘78 one
Rob Zombie's Halloween II (Theatrical Version) is a masterpiece and elevates the first film by being the introduction to the next film.
A masterpiece ?
His first Halloween movie was good. I liked it alot, not so much the second.
Anthony Campos yeah the second one was absolutely horrible
Yeah...I felt the first one was completely one and done, and the second one was done as a big Fuck You.
Anthony Campos Part w my friend and I just looked at each other during the movie. Totally confused and had no idea what was going on.
@CJ P. nah the first one really good.
@CJ P. well it was a big box office hit so yeah im pretty sure im right and YOUR WRONG!!!
Still can’t believe a lot of people think the newer Halloween was better than the rob zombie Halloween, robs was too underrated
Huh it was obviously better but Robs is underappreciated definitely
Omar Lee robs is good but it was way better bro???? FUCKING PIG POPO-LANTERN 🤬🔪
Cristian Castro The new one was trash. Skipped like every fucking murder scene.
I like Rob Zombie, but I didn't like his Halloween movies. They were just brutal gore and not scary.
@@folkscrazyouthere3076 "obviously better" lmao the new Halloween is injected with liberal garbage from beginning to end. It's laughable at best. Every decision Laurie Strode makes is facepalm worthy to say the least.
I loved The Wolfman! Never understood the disdain. If you don't like the new one, how did you sit through the original? Original was good too!
The visuals and cinematography were great in RZ version of halloween. Could have been wonderful if he cleaned up the trashy language and characters a little more. The 2007 halloween felt like a trashy beat for beat remake studio grab with just a little added back story for Myers. I actually enjoyed RZ's Halloween 2 more than the first. The second one felt more original and up his alley. I really liked the psychological aftermath deep dive into the characters and how realistic trauma is for some after those events.
@@TheSpelledMilk hey I get it and appreciate your opinion, to each their own haha 👍
@@heresjohnny5307 yeah some of us know what real Horror is. Why this crap gets made because people's poor taste.
Wouldn’t be Rob Zombie if someone didn’t mention skull fucking just saying
I like how they highlighted on his childhood. But I think they made Michael a serial killer more than “the shape” or pure evil. I think that’s the scariest Michael Myers though
I think that’s where going with Halloween ends completely off the rails
I remember Rob didn’t seem to understand the importance of the best horror movie ever, John Carpenter was like: who is this kid?
Zombie seems like a laid back easy to work with dude
Robs first Halloween was the nuts 👌🏻 😋
Besides the first hour, Rob’s Halloween was fucking awesome
No matter what you think of the Rob Zombie Halloween, he had the scariest Michael Meyers by far. The actor was just fucking massive
Yeah he was, he was actually intimidating so I don't understand why rob zombie's version gets so much hate, yeah part two was a gore fest but the first one was really good.
Mr. Wayne fandoms, man. You remake/reboot anything that had a fan base? Expect to get a ton of hate thrown your way..
Part of what makes Michael Myers scary is that he’s like, a regular sized person. It’s hard to explain, but having him be so huge kind of takes out the mystery.
@@dhi1145 the way i see it, him being massive makes it worse. yeah a normal guy walking is scary, but a massive guy who could twist your head backwards in some raggedy old mask. that’s shit your pants terrifying to me
@@autumnparkblvd Michael Myers isn’t supposed to be big and massive. He’s not Jason Voorhees. That’s what separates the two.
The best thing about Halloween 2 was hearing Nights In White Satin, Rob showed good taste there.
Rob Zombie have style like no other.
I loved Wolfman!
I loved both Robs Halloween films..especially Halloween 2.. he made it very different and very gritty his visions remind me of a cross between Texas chainsaw and last house on the left.
The use of The Moody Blues was genius master stroke.
Never heard him actually speak but I love him
Love to see Rob Zombie remake hills have eyes, or wrong turn 😁
Wring turn deserves a good reboot
I thought hills have eyes was deeper than we were shown like how the original star wars had such depth to idea an set design.
There's soo much more to this hills that wasn't put on screen.
Hills needs a reboot that starts like rejects with a thousand fucking cops looking up at the hills.
They did a remake of Hills have Eyes in the mid 2000's and I thought it was much better than the original. I think it's those kinds of movies people should be focused on remaking, not Halloween and A Nightmare on Elm Street. Some good remakes would be: Phantasm, Scanners, Pet Sematary and Children of the Corn.
@@serpentsepia6638 yeah I want a remake of 2000s version in a Rob Zombie version
I may not adore Rob's Halloween movies, but it's a miracle they turned out as well as they did with all the outside interference.
House of 1000 Corpses is definitely a cult classic, never seen the sequels. Read he's adapting The Munsters into a film lol
@@hippiecheezburger5457 I know! That sounds absolutely insane, but that's exactly why I gotta see it.
As ive gotten older ive grown to appreciate Rob's version of Halloween 2
I remember reading in a "hit parader" article during the late 90's around 97 or 98 that Rob Zombie before "House of a 1,000 Corpses" was meant to direct the third "Crow" movie? And that they had talks of having Trent Reznor of "Nine Inch Nails" playing the lead!?
The first Halloween movie that was done by Rob Zombie was absolutely phenomenal
To be fair the Howard Stern idea was for The Fly 2.
There was a ton of meddling in The Wolfman. Studio mandated reshoots, last minute director shuffle, thing was a mess.
LOVE HALLOWEEN MOVIES !!!!
Rob zombie was my first concert i was 15 the crowd was so packed i was cramping up tryna make my way to the bathroom. I lost my shoe at the beginning went the whole show with 1 shoe stepping in beer puke an at the end some girl tryed walking off with my shoe i was like yo thats my shoe she said give her a kiss for it back lol i did Good time!
I love his first Halloween, I enjoyed the second too.
Loud Pack Every movie ever made is a cash grab. That’s the only reason films are made, to make money. Not trying to be rude or anything, just facts dawg.
DNBPORVIDA Nope, lots of people do. In fact I’ve seen a lot of people say they like it more than the first (although I wouldn’t say that).
Loud Pack Nobody sets out to make a lackluster movie on purpose sequel or not, they just try to make the best movie possible out of whatever they’re working with, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. But all movies are made to make more money at the end of the day because that’s how Hollywood works.
Loud Pack I just bought his other films recently and watched 31, Lords of Salem, and House of 1000 Corpses. I enjoyed them all and can’t wait to watch The Devil’s Rejects, 3 From Hell, and Haunted World of El Superbeasto.
Rob zombie those plugs looking glorious
RIP Captain Spaulding
Rob Zombie needs to remake the Friday the 13 movies, or even just one of them. I feel they’re right up his alley. More so than Halloween, but I absolutely love his retellings of Halloween.
couldn’t have said it better myself
I finally watched his Halloween last night and thought it was amazing!
I luv his version
That microphone records everything rogans says
Rogan is spot on that the execs were probably doing coke.
Saw an interview with John Carpenter where he was asked about Rob's version of Halloween. In a nutshell John said Rob disrespected him and was a jerk. Wondering if that story is true or just Carpenters opinion/view of Zombie?
Well Carpenter did say that Zombie lied in interviews about him.
Zombie made it sound like John was really cold and short with him when he asked for his blessing to remake Halloween. John said Zombie's claim that he was rude wasn't true.
I love John Carpenter, but his Halloween is one of the most overrated generic horror movies I have ever seen. I will never understand how that movie became so iconic. I hate to say it but overall I think Rob Zombie's version is much deeper and thought-provoking.
@@Billy_Lenz that’s because you’re missing context for the time. Halloween 1 is generic by today’s standards, but that’s only because every slasher you’ve ever seen ripped it off! It was the first great slasher film, that’s why.
It’s not true and Carpenter later said they buried the hatchet. Rob was nothing but positive about Carpenter when he was promoting the film, Carpenter heard the wrong thing and attacked Rob.
The way he looks is nothing like i imagined he would sound. Seems like a really dope dude
The Wolfman was awesome.
I watched his Halloween for the first time a week ago and thought it was:
A) Too long
B) Had nasty people doing nasty things for no reason than to be nasty (In other words they didn't add to the plot/mythos, just upped the run time)
C) Michael didn't seem to be going back for his sister until the movie randomly decided that's what he was doing. How did he know who she was or how to find her?
D) Michael messing with his victims felt out of place. The horror of Michael is that he just kills. It's not a game. It's not like he has a goal or can be reasoned with. He's the fucking terminator. He doesn't get satisfaction from taunting and toying with prey. He kills, then moves on, then kills, then moves on. He doesn't put on sheets to pretend to be someone's BF, string up victims to put pumpkins on their heads, etc.
E) The kills never felt fun or had much gore. The camera didn't focus on the actual kill as much as the movie relied on fake blood afterwards, with maybe one or two exceptions.
The only thing I liked was Michael in the hospital as a child with the masks and when Michael as an adult would start wrecking shit, tearing down doors and walls and ceilings just going apeshit.
Overall it was a 5/10 Meh movie that I'll gladly never watch again.
You do realize that in the original Halloween (1978) Michael puts a sheet over himself and pretends to be a girl’s boyfriend. So yes, Michael does put sheets on himself and pretend to be someone’s boyfriend lol.
I love the halloween franchise as a whole but I do agree with most of your points about his remake. The only one I can argue with is the last one where you say Michael doesnt mess with his victims but that scheet scene was a call back to the original where Michael did where a bed sheet and killed that girls bf so I mean michale can be theatrical with his kills lol
@@williammelendez2568 Funny you point that out because I had completely forgot about that scene but I rewatched the original in 4k for the first time and saw that and went "oh I'm dumb" lol but it still feels like a weird decision even for Carpenter to do in the original but thats just me.
It's too long because the studio had him reshoot the ending. The movie originally ends with Myers killed by police in front of the house. They added on reshoots of Myers getting up and going after Laurie again. I agree it's too long and it's because of the studio wanting that protracted ending in my opinion.
@@JayceKeller728 Yeah I recently rewatched it since I picked up the 4k steelbook and it reminded me they did that. I will admit I'm a big dumb dumb. Not sure why but I always thought of Michael as how I describe him in the original comment, just a ruthless killing psychopath who has no reason to mess with his victims but that's just my take on what he should be? I think I took an issue with Rob's version of the sheet scene because Michael is comically much larger and it's obviously not her BF and she's like "stop messing around" thinking it's him lol. I literally laughed at the expectation that we're to believe that she believes that's her BF. It's not as cheesily done or obvious in the original in my opinion.
This clip starts with Joe talking about the transformation scene in AWIL. New found respect for Joe.
Rob: what do you mean you don't want the trailer park version of Michael Myers?
If Rob Zombie does another film, he should film it in Grand Junction, CO. It's the perfect town for one of his films. The scenery and atmosphere is like a Robert Rodriguez and Zombie film.
Didn't he lie about the Halloween movies? Carpenter said this guy lied out his teeth
Correct
Lie about what ?
@@Mojj2099 watch the interview
Rob Zombie should make a 'true story' horror serial killer movie based on Robert Pickton the pig farmer from north of Vancouver
That would be one hell of a meth fueled ride.
R.I.P. JOE GRIZZLY!!
Nice, start off the clip with a reference to Rick Baker-happy I met him.
Joe: “You like elk meat?”
i was just thinking. damon dash would be great on the rogan podcast. i'm no dame fan, but he likes to talk. he has a chip on his shoulder. it would be very entertaining.
Even the black-bar is shaking from hosting the Zombie
I loved the Wolfman with Benecio Del Toro.
I actually really liked the first Halloween movie he did
same
Yes i was really good.
Same. My fourth favorite in the franchise!
The bencio wolfman was amazing
kidfromda st it is a good movie
Joe should get Gillermo del toro for a Halloween special 💪🏼
I had no idea Rob had such a smooth voice.