US military vet here. Anyone who's been in combat will tell you that the psychopaths do VERY well under fire. Psychopathy is absolutely essential in wartime (as Chris mentions), because you need those guys who are fearless and ruthless. They don't hesitate, they act. Saw it in action. Psychopaths emerge from combat theaters with a chest full of medals. But those same guys, turned loose in civilian life, can be monsters. I saw that, too.
"Psychopathy is absolutely essential in wartime" Absolutely not. You don't have to be a psychopath to remain calm in stressful situations. Psychopaths serve only themselves and see no difference between a friend and foe. They wouldn't think twice about shooting you as a fellow allied soldier if they had something to gain from it.
@@GameLorePage very surface level take, psychopaths do not mean unhinged traitors in combat like a free for all in the slightest - you speak from ignorance.
My friend's dad said that, in the war he fought in, the "psychos" were the one's who kicked butt on the front lines. No fear, vicious, and terribly effective in battle.
It is all nonsense. A psychopath is unlikely to make it through basic training of the US military. Maybe through other military services in the world that do not perform screening.
Talking about the researcher James Fallon, and yes, he did ask his wife, kids, close associates for an honest, frank appraisal of him. They all said, "yep. we've known for some time that you were a psychopath." He goes on to say that their feedback didn't really bug him, further substantiating his psychopathy. 😂
I thought it was psychopathy. Not sociopathy. There are small but important differences. Psychopaths are capable of being very charming and are much better at hiding their... dark passenger.
Nice mate, will catch the whole thing later on Spotify. Been watching a lot of your stuff lately too, your one with Andrew Huberman sent me down the rabbit hole! Was the professor you mentioned James Fallon?
When I saw your name on the title. I asked myself, the podcaster from England? Sure enough. I enjoy your podcasts. Congratulations on making it to JRE!
Most psychopaths are very calculating and self serving, so yeah, why would they commit crimes? Why risk being imprisoned, it wouldn't be self serving. So interesting. They're so foreign to the normal human condition of emotions like guilt and remorse that it's so fascinating to see what goes through a their minds. And of course a lot of children who grew up with trauma become anti social too. Even if they would have grown up with a normal way of associating with people without the trauma.
@@jambononi That's wrong tbh. Most psychopaths aren't very calculating at all, in fact, one of the great signifiers of psychopathy is extreme impulsivity and a lack of ability to delay gratification; contrary to popular opinion most people in prison who are diagnosed as psychopaths are actually below average intelligence or simply have average intelligence, the image of the smart criminal psychopath who never gets caught by the police is a Hollywood trope and really isn't accurate at all.
As a psychotherapist, I have seen psychopathic tendencies and worked with those with antisocial personality disorder (the diagnosis used for this term). However some of the comments on behaviors witnessed by people they know could also be how trauma effects the brain. It’s a coping mechanism when people are exposed to traumatic things, especially over and over to become detached and cold. They also failed to mention that the researcher likely had a good upbringing, was nurtured and has low ACE scores. Individuals with the wiring to be psychopaths- combine that with neglect, poverty, abuse or childhood trauma- more likely to lead to use of drugs and to criminal acts. This is fact. Healthy attachments will allow people to develop into individuals who can live in society, hold down jobs, abide by laws and have families.
We have a BINGO folks. James Fallon had a loving caring up bring. I hear people use the good old appeal to authority. When the only thing they are an authority of is gobbledygook. You are the real deal. Thank you for your words. I hope more people will read your comments here.
Nurture has no impact on psychopathy behaviors. A person that exhibits low emotional behaviors is not a psychopath. Criminality is the best indicator of psychopathic tendencies. The idea of a harmless high functioning psychopath is nonsense.
Absolutely! When everyone and everything in life beats you down, you could become emotionally numb to everything. It’s all about survival and I think the psychopath gets this.
It is well understood that many ceos of major corporations would be considered psychopathic. Having a personality trait that allows them to make decisions indifferent of impacts to people/employees allows decisions to be made to benefit the company exclusively. Also surgeons are often psychopathic. This benefits their performance as they are able to view the patient as an object with its components rather than a human being with feelings and emotions. This allows them to focus on the task at hand.
There's a high percentage of psychopaths among medical professionals, particularly surgeons. In that context, it is probably adaptive to be cold, calculating, and emotionless ... you don't want someone's emotions overcoming them when they're cutting you open. It probably also accounts for the extreme arrogance and dismissiveness often encountered in medical settings. EDIT: One of the commenters correctly points out that medical professionals score higher on psychopathic traits than the general population. That doesn't necessarily make them proper psychopaths. An important clarification.
I came to this realization on my own actually. When I was in the military I worked with a guy, who I’m 99% sure was a psychopath. He was an old school guy who had been in for almost 20 years. He had been on many deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq. He would openly talk about some of the most horrific shit that he saw, and go into extreme detail. He would even laugh when describing thing like, taliban accidentally blowing themselves up with IEDs, or blowing a hole in a guys face with a breaching shotgun. It was disturbing at first, how little of an effect this had on him. Then one day, he was telling a story (I don’t remember about what) and my 1SG says to him, “damn bro, I wish I could get over shit as easy as you”, and he goes, “I never even had to get over it, I was just ok with it”. That’s when I realized he’s crazy. Good dude all things considered.
@@joshmiller9783 stop trying to be edgy. There’s nothing funny about killing someone, even if they deserved it. It’s not funny to normal people, at least.
@@symix. have you seen what a person looks like after being blown up? There’s nothing funny to see there. Even in that situation. This isn’t a video game. It’s horrific.
@@AnusSniffer69 On, come off it. I'd rather someone find it funny than be sexually excited by it. At least the former treats it as a joke to be heard rather than something to be sought out.
James Fallon is the professor he’s speaking of. I met him on a shuttle from the airport years ago. Nicest, most interesting person I’ve met. He’s done a lot of interviews regarding this and other mental stuff. So fascinating!
Psychopaths and sociopaths can do things in society that others can find difficult emotionally. As well as raiding parties: surgeons, collecting of dead and post mortem, executioner, negotiators, lawyers, crime investigators, CEOs, traders and high level finance, politicians are just some that come to mind.
yes but in some of those proffesions because they are psychopaths it would take nothing for them to do something bad for there own gain,incase you didnt notis most people in goverments in positions of power have psychopathic traids,and in allot of country they are the ones fucking up the country's and having zero issue with lying straight to youre face about it.
I was born within the same boundaries on a map as someone who is successful. Feeling proud of something you have had no part in is a sign of narcissism, isn't it?
This falls under the same banner as anxiety. Back when we survived by sticking together in tribes, we needed highly alert and restless members to detect threats during the night when everyone else was sleeping. Anxious people were extremely valuable. If everyone in the tribe was super relaxed and slept through thunderstorms, well you'd all be screwed. The issue with anxiety in todays world is that it has no place. Like an old alarm system with malfunctioning sensors. But not so long ago it was a crucial survival instinct that kept us, and others alive. I believe this can still be observed in the social hierarchy of Chimpanzees and other species of monkeys.
You are 100% correct except in the respect as in anxious we’re the sole people responsible for our survival, in my opinion. I think you should read more into evolutionary psychology, involving ALL of the brain variants. I think you’d like it. I’m regards to psychopathy, they were responsible for our advancement into uncertain situations. I have sources and people to look into if interested
@@chrisw8049 What you're sharing already makes sense to me. I can tell the anxiety is a hyper-alertness out of self preservation. Please do share these sources you speak of
There is an interesting documentary of the man who did the study on Psychopathy -and found out he was one himself. I loved the part where they interviewed his family and his brother said it all made sense. When the psychopathic brother got angry, he'd start a relentless pursuit for vindication. The family reasoned that it was their loving family structure that kept him in line to a fair degree.
I think I might be a vulnerable narcissist. Not as bad as I once was about it though. Took a lot of pain and torment to realize it and mitigate its impact on myself and the world around me.
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I don't know when they changed the rules in the DSM but when I studied Psychology in college it was well understood that criminal behavior are Psychopathy was correlated but not required. There are many high functioning people in very large organizations that got there bc of their ability to not care about the consequences.
@@CalebSpears1 It's not only about empathy, but also about risk tolerance - psycopaths are rather reckless and many are employed in jobs at the edge, where they stop just short of going over, where a hormal human will stop well in advance.
Most people are self centered and don't care about consequences as long as they are removed from them. Its perhaps the only real evil in the world and its utterly banal.
The DSM has been changing a lot. Psychiatrists can’t use conversion therapy for kids thinking they are transgender or other made up genders, they have to affirm their misguided beliefs that they are trapped in the wrong bodies. Breaking the law didn’t and shouldn’t correlate to what makes a psychopath. The intelligent ones know how to manipulate people into breaking the law for them.
Just because most of the psychopaths in the worlds of banking, finance, politics, military, media, and entertainment haven't yet been caught for committing crimes doesn't mean that's not what's happening. It doesn't make them any less psychopathic. They have a system around them to hide their crimes and pin it onto others
Psychopath doesn't = criminal. It might be that the clinical diagnosis is required, but then being a psychopath on the way to a crime is therefore not a psychopath technically. But it's like autism, it's a way in which the brain works. The thing you have to understand is that not all psychopaths have a desire or need to commit crimes. It's just that if they do commit a crime, they don't feel remorse. So they won't be sad for the person they murder or steal from. Or there's things that aren't 'crimes' but are considered immoral. Like sabotaging someone else's career in order to take their place. Like releasing a smear campaign on someone who's done nothing wrong. But feeling zero remorse for those acts. So an example of a psychopath in the music industry is getting an 18 year old pop star to sign a contract so they have no rights to the music. Knowing that they will lose out if they become successful. It's not a crime to do that, but it is psychotic.
@@BradSabako Are you serious? This happens all the time. The billionaires pay to have laws put in place that help them and screw the country. They should be publicly executed
Not all psychopaths decide to do bad things. You can lack empathy and be really good at your job. It's less of a distraction and you come off as confident.
True, their decision not to do bad things is not out of empathy or morals. It is because it would not serve them to do bad things. It is not about conscience.
It’s not just about doing their jobs. Psychopaths lack empathy, shame and guilt. They’re also fearless and operate like a hunter looking for prey. These traits make them dangerous to he around because you don’t know when they will screw over you. They’re monsters in human skin
Wow I’m so glad they left the last part about narcissism in. I used to have two terribly toxic friends that got so nasty when I cut my friendship off with them and everything he said about vulnerable narcissists is spot on for them. I could never quite describe to people why they were so awful and now I can.
Ex-wife and I talked for over a decade about how she'd watched her mother 'go crazy' during her youth (vulnerable narcissist) and the hell it had made out of her childhood. Said she always feared she could have the same thing happen to her. I hate being able to confirm that it really does transfer through genetics and that I watched it happen to a woman I love, apparently like she watched it happen to her mom.
@@Anon-pl8kz I know what the problems are at both our ends. She and I talked about them regularly for years (not fought, not argued, not even raised our voices) Worked instead as a team trying to care for each other, plan and problem solve. She had lived through her teen years emotionally tormented by her own mothers 'erratic and dramatic' (NPD) behavior which she survived by learning to be quiet and 'keeping her head down'. She kept that learned ability to suppress herself until she couldn't anymore apparently. Ever felt a spring released from containment jump away?
most vulnerable narcissists have been bullied as kids and spend their lives chasing approval. I know one from my highschool years ago and guess what hes in jail for murder now
I dealt with a Psychopath Narcissists 2 years ago... Freaking Terrifying!! And that's exactly what He does. Once people figure him out in an area, he just moves....
Back in the day, an outlaw was someone who had traveled from one town to another. In the 1200s, if you were traveling to another town by yourself, it’s probably because you killed somebody in the last town you were in. The sheriff used to go from town to town investigating whether there were any major crimes to report, but also whether there were any outlaws, meaning just that there was someone new in town. I learned this in English legal history in law school.
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@@TheTurbanatore You should major in philosophy. It teaches you logic, which helps on the LSAT and as an attorney. If you can’t cut it in philosophy class (I couldn’t; I also didn’t go straight to law school), check out English or History. All of these majors require you to read a lot. If you’re majoring in anything law related as an undergrad (like criminal studies), it means you probably shouldn’t go to law school. No offense.
@@davidusa47 I major In philosophy at UBC in Canada and minor in Law. I was thinking of writing my LSAT in October, but don't think I will have enough time to study, as I will be doing classes while I study.
I’m a self-diagnosed psychopath. The level of ignorance regarding this condition is astounding. We are not monsters. We are human. We want love, family, and happiness. We just don’t have any emotions.
Of course psychopaths have emotions as everybody else but the difference is it’s very blunt, almost like feeling hungry or thirsty. So They don’t really love like having a genuine connection, they never connect and feel nostalgic about anything. Having friends and relationships is more out of boredom or using them to their advantage.
@@ZuZu66667 true. I like to consider it a less broad span of emotions compared to someone who is neurotypical. We have basic survival skills, but lack nuance to form deep, intimate connections with other people. For me, I seek relationships but often just for the appearance of looking like I have a lot of friends/being socially competent. I have to remind myself that friendships and relationships are more than just surface-level.
That neurologist finding out he was a psychopath in the course of studying psychopaths' brain scans sounded like such a "...and they found out the call was coming from UPSTAIRS" story I had to google it, lol.
Chris Williamson mentions that there is a point system to determine who meets the criteria of being a "psychopath". Almost everyone will experience a psychopathic tendency, whether in regards to a particular thing or a product of what is around them. Just like mental health in general, usually these actions are never cause for concern until a significant portion of your daily life or others are effected by those tendencies in a significant way. This being said, those who deal with high stress situations, emergency services, bosses, service men, leaders, will be required to act very differently than most so they can think clearly, to increase the neural pathways and circuits through repetition, to be able to respond effectively.
You can train or desensitize yourself to different stimuli overtime or increase your regulated psychopathic traits but the core of actual psychopathy is a gift of an innate ability to already have the desensitization built in or low autonomic nervous system arousal.
Aren't we all just narcists and psychopaths and every other cist and path🤷♂. Just because we haven't been put in that kind of situation does not mean that we're not. I've seen horrible shit and felt empathy yet I too would want nothing more for people to ef off after they ate at my home too.
I learned the most important phrase in the army It was in relation to soldiers... but it actually makes more sense to me in relation to humans... Theres no such thing as a bad person/soldier. There are only improperly motivated people/soldiers....
even if he is talking a load of shit!? now of the info he got from his "researcher" is even close to an accurate representation of the professors work.
SCIENTIST'S FOUND THAT LEFTIST'S BRAIN'S REACT LESS THAN PEOPLE ON THE RIGH WHEN SHOWN DISTURBING IMAGES = LEFTIST ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PSHYCOPATH'S .............
You don’t have to be a psychopath to not have a problem killing people. Especially if there is a cause/reason to defend or anything like that. Some people miss some sensitivity buttons, while other kind of sensitivity is still there. Not all people are the same.
I think if you examine the top of any hierarchy, you'll find that psychopathy probably isn't uncommon at the top in the leadership bracket. There's a reason so many of these people become uber successful. Turns out it's a trait that relentlessly pushes people to seeking status and power.
Conscientiousness is a trait that is universally prevalent in those fields. It's actually the 2nd strongest correlate of long term life success. Conscientious people feel guilt and are more likely to act with integrity and less likely to leech off others. There are SOME psychopaths in those fields, but most psychopaths can't work 60-80 hours a week. And trust and trustworthiness actually happen to be hugely economically useful, especially in societies like America which, while somewhat corrupt, are nowhere near as corrupt as the systems in, say, India. There are niches where psychopaths can thrive, but generally speaking the upper echelons of most hierarchies have people who aren't psychopathic. They might be low in compassion and politeness (agreeableness), which makes them competitive, and, if they're conscientious, makes them hyper-critical and unforgiving, but not psychopathic.
im convinced every bigger CEO out there is psychopathic. no sane person would want to keep making money even if you can afford literally everything at that point
@@paveantelic7876 That's a stupid claim. People don't only become successful for money. They do it for status, competition, etc. By the way, psychopaths are notoriously lazy, but CEOs notoriously work 80-90 hours a week. Psychopaths have to move from victim to victim, because people find out their manipulation, but CEOs have to depend on their reputation which follows them wherever they go. Psychopaths are non-productive, but non-productive CEOs get fired.
Lookup Sam Vaknin, a professor in psychology. He’s by far one of the most educated people on this Earth when it comes to Narcissism, psychopathy, and other mental disorders. It’s a lot more complex than people would ever imagine with a lot of overlap.
Yes it is easy to fall into generalisations here, when in fact we are probably all capable of these types of states to one degree or another if the circumstances were warranted. Humans behaviourally adapt as well and can be passed down subconsciously over generations and through cultural group think, what can appear to be just genetics can actually be genetic adaptation.
@@gaussminigun7095 My favourite video is the one where he compares narcissism, borderline, psychopathy and autism. ua-cam.com/video/UMtGBZnX2do/v-deo.html
Psychopathy is a personality disorder. Referred to antisocial personality disorder is DSM V. So just like borderline personality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality…. Anyone can easily meet the criteria. However narcissism and antisocial personality are the two that have much less distressing impacts in the individual. People with the other personality disorders often experience a lot of distress and awareness of their poor functioning. I’m a psychologist and work with people with severe mental health difficulties daily. And I scored 34 on the psychopath checklist. The checklist by Dr Robert Hare but I have never committed a crime.
Yup. Our unit psychiatrist told us that if we didn’t have trauma after our deployment we should really worry. He made it easier for us to get therapy when we got home.
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He's a grifter. He couldn't contain his laughter when talking about people losing their jobs for speaking out and not being woke or politically correct, saying they're stupid and they get what is coming to them.
I think you’re talking about James Fallon who did brain scans on psychopaths at UC Irvine back in the 2000s and found out he has the same psychopathic characteristics in his own brain scans!
SCIENTIST'S FOUND THAT LEFTIST'S BRAIN'S REACT LESS THAN PEOPLE ON THE RIGH WHEN SHOWN DISTURBING IMAGES = LEFTIST ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PSHYCOPATH'S .............
Agree with everything that actions separate. I feel like your surroundings have a lot to do with that. A good support system will pull you back away from acting on these perpetual feelings.
I was in love with a psychopath. He was a surgeon. He lost his license for assaulting his patients while they were under anesthesia. I found out when I saw him on the news.
You were in love with his money and image, hoping that other women would be jealous of you having a boyfriend that was a surgeon. At least grow enough ovaries to admit THAT.
I’ve always suspected this has something to do with why some women also find psychopaths extremely attractive (even if they won’t readily admit it). Life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. Sometimes it’s war, and psychopaths are better suited for mentally enduring the brutal hell that war often entails. A psychopath who is able to exercise self-control over their impulses for violence can become a hero. It’s like Robert Sapolsky says, “We love violence, just in the right context.”
@@bighands69 He mentioned that they won't readily admit it. It's young and naive women that find antisocial behavior irresistible in men, they outgrow it eventually if their minds aren't too fucked up. The idea is that they want a ferociously aggressive, fearless man to protect them--but, then they realize that they need protection from those men most of all, and some will outgrow their attraction to them when they start thinking that having the status of being with a man who dominates at any and all cost is more aggravation than it's worth.
@@bighands69 Clearly you haven't heard of how many letters murderers get from women. And clearly you aren't familiar with Jordan petersons work on the subject. SOME women fall for psychopaths due to their manipulative behavior and often its the bright women. Strange world. I wish it was as simple as "no they dont"
@@devilsoffspring5519 It is only a small number of women that find those antisocial behaviors irresistible and the reason for that is because those women confuse those behaviors with character and assurance. It is the same reason why some women are attracted to married men or men of authority. There is also cases of women being attracted to catholic priests who can never marry.
@@homosapien4833 Roughly around one in ten people have an IQ that is below independent function levels. In men those levels of IQ develop certain types of behaviors and they also do the same in women. Those women with lower IQ levels are not function by any normal standard and will find them self doing things outside the norms of human behavior. Historically in liberal culture post 1800s women with lower IQ levels can actually still find them self in a good relationship with a man and have a perfectly healthy family as their desires to love the children still apply. The problem is when those women meet men who are manipulative and in the modern world there is a large number of psychopathic men that will prey upon those women when society knows exactly what those men are.
Why would the professor put himself in his own study when he designed the study and possibly even hand selected the images? Of course he isn’t going to react because he knows what the study is about!
I think the biggest determining factor between the differences of the two psychopaths, the ones that are unhinged so to speak, and those that have it under control, is a basic self awareness and adaptation around their environment. Those that are essentially smart enough to understand that they're an abnormality, and to act, as to blend in and not muddy the waters, they gain an incognito like ability to live life semi comfortably. Just appearing normal enough to blend in, understanding the implications of their own actions. They become aware of the fact that giving into base impulses will only cause themselves and others around them discomfort or worse. They come to the conclusion, logically of course, that they'd be better off blending in, and acting. Rather than to act upon their disorder. The psychopath is fully aware of their abnormalities. Those that are obvious, even those that aren't so obvious, are eventually discovered. Those with perhaps less severe psychopathic traits, learn to adapt to the environment and act as chameleons. Blending in, exhibiting behavior that is considered normal, but cautious enough as to not show their true face around anyone. It's rather frightening to think someone researching psychopaths later found out that they are the very thing they're researching. Even more frightening when they seem to piece together the puzzle that is their own life. I truly believe we can never fully know ourselves. We are destined to our pursuit of unfullfilling knowledge, never satisfied, always on the edge of discovery, but always pushed down by our own lack of capabilities. We are only human after all. Limited by the confines of our minds. We've come far, and unless we prevent ourselves from doing so, we will go much further. The almost random element of biology prevents us from truly understanding. The unique human experience is, as I see it, impossible to fully replicate. As similar as anyone of us are, we are much too different to fully understand each other. I guess that's what makes life so interesting at the end of the day. Edit: I'm not one to leave messages based on the reactions of my comments, but I can't express how much joy these comments are bringing me. I always doubt myself, and to see all of you getting value from my words is wonderful. Thank you all!
@@rjparsons3568 about 20-30 minutes. Had a cigarette while I was outside. I was a bit drunk and high while writing, so you can take from that what you wish.
I don't live in the UK nor the US, but I think it's very important to be careful to stigmatize people as psychopaths so lightly. You need to, not only examine, but experience actually meeting one in real person. They're are not that so many, only according to ME!
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I had a boss who was a grandiose narcissist with psychopathy (his ex-wife’s therapist told her he seemed to have the traits). He brought a gun to work and threatened to blow my co-workers brains out for losing a deal. A family member is a vulnerable narcissist (diagnosed by a psychologist). I’m MUCH more afraid of her. My former boss was like a house cat. He’d probably murder someone if he thought he could get away it. But at the end of the day knows who fills his food bowl. She’s more like an anxious rat terrier that was beaten as a puppy. She’s a terrible combination of fearful and aggressive. She’s completely unpredictable.
The history of the so called "Psychopath check sheet" is pretty interesting. Read "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson. You will find out that the "checksheet" was never suppose to be used for legal purposes. The authentic pschopath test was found to be effective but unethical. The checklist was a poor poor substitute.
One of my professors said it best, when we were talking about psychopathy in human populations. "We have a problem with psychopaths.Warrior cultures solve this by exporting them to get plunder from their neighbors."
This is a very good topic I don't know if it's because narcissist and many other phycolagy definitions are talked about much much more nowadays. But I always found phycolagy very interesting but after being in a relationship with a woman who like this guy was talking about vulnerable narcissist It was something that only somebody that has sadly been a victim of can only understand. What is crazy is now I see there are many many people who are narcissist. They are truly the most predictable yet also the most unpredictable people ever.
What’s very hurtful and sad to me is it who they’re talking about n they put it in words that I could never explain. I want to heal n be better but idk where to go I’m highly intelligent amongst other attributes but this video spoke to me
I worked for a vulnerable narcissist. It was terrible. He framed me for stuff I hadn’t done just so he could tell other people I was the problem. He was constantly gaslighting me. And I am using “gaslighting” correctly. He would try to make me think I had said or done something I hadn’t. He was emotionally manipulative. He lied pretty much all the time. He played people off against each other. He cared way too much about how he looked, the clothes he wore, how I looked, the clothes I wore, etc. He would put me down for things I did well. So I was a loser because I lift weights. And I am stupid for going to university. But the truth is, he was uneducated and weaker than your average woman. And I know that’s why he would attack me on those two points. It wasn’t until after I quit and I was teaching some psychiatrists English that one of psychiatrists told me it sounded like he was a narcissist. I had no idea what narcissists were.
Psychopaths gravitate towards being ceos, politicians, police officers, military, race car drivers. Very few of them go on to do heinous violent crimes. People hear the word "psychopath" and immediately identify it with someone like Ted Bundy, when overall this just is not the case. ASPD has a wide range of individuals who fall under this umbrella. Its my belief psychopathy is a major advantage in a society like ours. Fear response holds most people back from ever chasing their dreams, or accomplishing much. Most will just live a boring, comfortable existence in exchange for a false sense of safety.
No, psychopaths don't lack fear of speaking etc in groups. They lack boundaries and fear in a moment carried by an absurd but to themselves valid principle in their head which was made usually prior to their actions, and when they lack desire to live then how far they take it can be horrendous and therefore they'll be known as the Ted Bundy type. Sure a psychopath characteristic might be more common in a successful person however their brain needs more than this one element for success.
I am a psychologist I know the professor he is talking about and this is all bollocks. Mischaracterizing at best down right lying for effect at worst. -He was studying the genetic component of psychopathy and found he share the gene that is present in around 70% of psychopaths convicted of violent crimes. -You do not have to be convicted of a crime to be classified as a psychopath -There are many high functioning psychopaths in society who excel in areas such as business and politics where ruthlessness and focus are rewarded. -Apart from the genetic component of psychopathy the trigger to acting in a violent way stereotyped with psychopathy is still a traumatic event of abuse. -Psychopathy and sociopath don't tend to stand out as he characters them as they are very adapt at reading people and situations so as to act in a social acceptable way. IN SHORT: HE IS FULL OF SHIT ;-)
@@rubymclovely747 I’m guessing that you, like a lot of people, haven’t listened to the full podcast and are basing your conclusion solely on this little snippet? Chris is a podcaster. He’s not an expert in any particular field. He admits (in this very show) that during his interviews he is the dumbest person in the room. What you are watching here is not two brilliant minds exchanging factual information, it’s two dudes chewing the fat over interesting shit they’ve heard. Sometimes that shit can be so interesting, it prompts some listeners to go and further investigate the topic themselves. Maybe he butchered the facts, but do you remember every little detail of everything you ever talk about? They’re just having the craic. Context is EVERYTHING. For a psychologist you seem very judgemental.
The professor that he’s talking about is Dr. James H. Fallon, Professor Emeritus, Anatomy & Neurobiology School of Medicine at the University of California, Irvine. Extremely interesting study he did. If you want to listen to him speak on the matter check out episode 2 of a podcast called Sword and Scale.
The guy (the psychopath study doctor/prof) wrote a book on it. He looked into his past and he saw things like playing chess with his children and not allowing them to win. That he would compete in chess, with children. His own kids. little things like that. A really interesting book.
Psychopaths can live crime-free life, especially when pursuing business careers. They often screw people over and for them the end always justifies the means - that's why they make up high percentage (in comparison to population avarage) of the upper echelon positions of big companies.
You should look into the dark triad. You might find it interesting. What you're describing is the Machiavellian aspect of the dark triad. "The end justifies the means."
@@DL900RME I appreciate you, man, but I know the topic, although I never did a deep dive into Machiavellianism. I have a black metal band dedicated to pathology of conciousness, so I know a lot of stuff people don't know. F.e. Plutchik's three-dimensional emotion cone / wheel of emotions is fascinating - I bet you that most people don't know that boredom in high intensity is disgust, and disgust. At first you think that it's BS, but if you think about it if someone is extremely boring you, you feel some type of way towards them, and you want to get rid of them from your vicinity, or remove yourself from their company. Psychology is fascinating, but I don't have a degree, and my intrest lays in the pathologies. Substance abuse, mental illness. Fuukkk, I still fully don't understand my fascination in being the dominating person in BDSM, cause in 'real life' I'm VERY empathic and sometimes I'd rather help someone, while I myself need help. So on some level I want to have someone's will under my command, and physically that's easy for me, cause I am 6'8'' (202cm) and I am pretty athletic and a little bear-like xD Of course I set up safe words, three to be exact. One is for my sub to tell, if I'm too easy, second one is if I'm too hard and need to adjust, and third is outright stop. I tell those three words before session and first thing I do is ordering to repeat those words and what they mean. BDSM without consent is straight up abuse, and in situations where "no" doesn't mean "no" I can imagine having no safe word only with my future wife (if she'll be into that of course). In Plutchik wheel 'Submission' is combination of tree with TRUST and FEAR and 'Love' is also TRUST, but mixed with JOY. Like before, at first glance BDSM seems like "nasty kink", but it has more in common with Love than you think, cause both submission and love are "made" out of two ingredients, and they share one. Any comment? I love talking bout' psychology, but rarely I find someone that knows or is interested in the 'darker' stuff so to speak. Cheers, and have a good day! Hope to hear back from you ^_^ PS. I live in Poland, so the BDSM knowledge is unfortunately very limited in most people (although most girls are happy to try basic D/s stuff and enjoy it very much in my experience :P)
A few important points in this conversation need to be pushed back on a bit: 1. The question itself of “why hasn’t psychopathy been bred out of existence?” begs the question. It assumes the conclusion that psychopathy is a genetic trait being passed on reproductively. It’s a question about the heritability of psychopathy as a neat genetic sequence. But we actually don’t know the heritability of psychopathy. It appears to be both nature and nurture (genetics and environment), so the question of whether psychopathy is evolutionarily adaptive or not is not something we can actually answer or speculate on unless we know for sure how heritable it is on a molecular genetic level. 2. Even if psychopathy were highly heritable (let’s say 75% or more), by definition, a psychopath is someone who is capable of manipulating others and hiding their lack of empathy well through other mechanisms, such as charm or success. This doesn’t at all preclude them from reproducing. Evolution is always a question of the traits that led to survival long enough to be able to reproduce. Psychopaths aren’t automatically negated from reproduction because psychopathy doesn’t impair the ability to reproduce (i.e. psychopaths don’t die off before the age of reproduction). In fact, they might be more successful at reproducing given their psychopathy (if you catch my drift). 3. The question of what purpose does psychopathy serve is a teleological question, which Dawkins would tell you has no place in a discussion about evolutionary biology. Evolutionary biology is not that kind of thing. Though it’s a very clean and elegant explanation, the theory of evolution cannot explain teleological reasons for what purpose certain traits serve-it’s purely about genetic selection, not necessarily what makes “sense” to us humans who are meaning-making machines. 4. Those are not exactly the definitions of grandiose vs. vulnerable narcissist. Both types are seeking approval from others, which is what can make them dangerous (re: what happens when they don’t get validation? Will they retaliate? Will they dominate?). Vulnerable narcissists use a mechanism of gaining pity or sympathy while grandiose narcissists use a mechanism of demanding “respect” for their grandeur, and when either of them don’t get it, they dominate/harm in some capacity the person who isn’t feeding into their illusions of either grandeur or weakness. These are points that any first or second year psych, biology or even philosophy student could push back against from this video. Not saying this to be smug, but this is why it’s important to ask yourself always whether the person you’re listening to is an authentic expert or not. I could tell within the first two minutes that he’s not a psychologist or has even taken college level psychology courses. There’s lots of research available about psychopaths conducted by clinical psychologists, so if you are interested in understanding psychopaths (especially if you’re a survivor of a narcissistic family member or spouse), then go find that information because it’s really important psycho-adaptively for us to understand psychopaths so we don’t become victims of them.
I work on my PhD about the repetition phenomenon and how since the philosophy of the light we lost all our mythology…. So with the industrial time who followed that philosophy, we became unenchanted… but mythology is important so unconsciously we teen chanted by creating a new narrative so we creating monsters because monsters are the reasons for the hero to exist….. now we need psychopath to feel that we exist because this is the reflection of how we became nihilistic.. feel nothing so we need to be shock at every breath we take. There is so much to say.. like the monsters or the ones who are « anormaux » are creating a bounds with the rest of the society…. Crazy…
psychopaths scare me so much I just can't imagine having no feeling like that, it seems so empty. I love that I can cry and feel emotional pain and empathy it makes me human. Not having that seems so scary
Idk I think it would be kinda cool. I definitely wouldn’t want to be a psychopath but I would like to have a switch where I could turn my empathy and emotions completely off for a time to be more productive.
same for special forces units, lots of them score high in psychopathy which is really useful since they are in highly traumatic and stressful situations, and being able to easily regulate emotions would be very useful. Also you would guess that there would be psychopaths in jobs like spec ops since these jobs might bring the thrill, but will also bring immense prestige as well.
The ability to easily regulate emotion is not an APD characteristic. Psychological screening is conducted for Tier 1 operators and they're "supposed" to screen these people out, but it depends.
With this usually you find some who are more or less already on the scale of anti social personality disorder than full blown psychopaths. If they end up that it’s usually because they’re “made” as the repeated killing etc is something that they eventually become desensitized too or easier with X amount of times they’ve killed. I’m sure there’s a couple born ones in the regular military ops tho. Golden state killer, Israeli Keys, BTK, David Berkowitz, Dahmer are a couple that were just standard military.
Yes! This is just like Casey from yellowstone. Watch him closely and he is cold, emotionless and just loves day to day not grieving too much. Numb to his surroundings and the killing he had to do through out the show.
@@anthonyp3113 Tier 1, remember - not Tier 2 though. Tier 2 still includes things like SEALS, MARSOC, 75th Rangers, and so on. I am aware that they still do a lot of the same polygraph testings, screenings, etc - but Tier 2 is still something to be highly considered when talking about this.
@@anthonyp3113 aspd is a spectrum. In reality they're only screening out the low functioning ones who lack self awareness. Every single candidate that is a sociopath/psychopath that passes selection is automatically high functioning since they demonstrated an ability to hide their behavior.
@@JamesBongo Narcissism, like any psychological diagnosis, is a distinct set of behaviors and beliefs. So if your argument is that humans don't display distinct patterns of behavior and thought I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people that these diagnosis' don't exist.
@@Michaeldoors that is kind of what I'm saying. humans can fluid personality and I do not think that we can accurately discribe the human consciousness much less diagnose it
@@Michaeldoors most psychiatry is based on the supposition that we know what a "normal" human is supposed to look like. Its extremely reductionist labeling all quality deemed "bad" as illness. Once you believe there are devils all around you you will start to see them.
You don't need to have committed a crime to be a psychopath. You can have behavior that is borderline criminal or that is destructive to others in a carefully constructed way so as to be legally done
Facts. Most criminals are not psychopath. I know people that join gangs out of fear or just trying Impress girls or just get money. Most criminals want money. But I agree with you
@@bento4876 That is not how they are classified by institutions. Criminal behavior is one-factor among 8 and you don't need all 8 to have the personality disorder. Just about 5
Interesting topic - I once read that the difference between a psychopath is a physical distinction/malformation in the brain. There is a connection missing between the Prefrontal cortex and the amyglada. These areas of the brain perceive emotion, guilt, fear, and anxiety. The pathway is was found to be severed most often by some type of brain injury. Whether the injury is caused by assault, accidental dropping, or car accident this connection is severed, and thus allows psychopaths to act in a way that many of us normally wouldn't because these areas of the brain would hinder our ability to function so brazenly.
I am afraid that is not the case. A psychopath is not a medical condition nor is it something that can be easily studied through psychology. What normally defines a psychopath is the acts that they committed not psychoanalysis. What is labelled as psychopathy is most likely to manifest in men but it does happen in women as well but in much lower numbers. People have a tendency to confuse general psychological health conditions, psychosis and sociopathic behaviors with that of psychopathic behaviors.
@@bighands69 Firstly, I wasn't stating an opinion. This is was a FACT widely accepted by the psychology field. Thirdly, I never stated it was a medical condition, not where you got that from, but if you want to get technical, please see the examples below as I do think it would be a medical condition if a person wanted to push that narrative. Any physical alteration of the body that is not considered normal is classified as an injury, correct? A broken arm, is a medical injury, a fractured bone is a medical injury, a cardiovascular seizure aka heart attack is considered a medical injury. Why would a physical disconnection between two important areas in the brain not classy as a medical injury?
@@ethan.... we can all push a narrative. I'm not sure I know a completely accurate FacTermination, no matter how prevailing the accredited conglomerate explanation may hold
The older I get the more I realize how many true psychopaths I've met and known throughout my life. I think much more than 1% of humans are psychopathic, especially nowadays. They go unnoticed.
I think it's because a lack of empathy is being hardwired into society. We've become desensitized to things that would normally trigger a serious empathetic response, because it happens so often. We've just grown used to the trauma of life
This was a very interesting story, and I'm a bit fascinated by how the professor conducting the research project ended up being a psychopath himself. I personally have known a few psychopaths unfortunately, with my uncle being one of them. He is just an absolutely unhinged cantankerous human being, showing very little to no ability to respect personal boundaries and constantly bullies pretty much anyone he comes into contact with. He once choked my cousin for stealing the headlights off his truck and the entire time, was completely quiet and mute beating him up and showing no ounce of rage. That just blew my mind away. I certainly could never maintain that level of composure in a dangerous situation like that, especially when I'm not sure what the other person is capable of.
@@Mereship It definitely is. And a lot of them tend to have a narcissistic element to them as well, because the ones I've known constantly play mind games on you and one you up. They can cause some really fucked up PTSD and major anxiety problems.
This argument is easy to counter. Because most really tough high testosterone men are altruistic. In fact high testosterone seems to be correlated with altruism and empathy. They are tough, but fair. In other words, they are righteous. They lack empathy for people who do terrible things, but DO have empathy for good people. These men, the Navy Seals, the "heroes" have the mental fortitude to be violent without being sociopathic. These are the tough people who keep us safe. We'll do just fine without psychopaths in the genepool.
US military vet here.
Anyone who's been in combat will tell you that the psychopaths do VERY well under fire. Psychopathy is absolutely essential in wartime (as Chris mentions), because you need those guys who are fearless and ruthless. They don't hesitate, they act. Saw it in action. Psychopaths emerge from combat theaters with a chest full of medals. But those same guys, turned loose in civilian life, can be monsters. I saw that, too.
Can you mention instances of monsters?
@@pillu7063 Moronic claim
"Psychopathy is absolutely essential in wartime" Absolutely not. You don't have to be a psychopath to remain calm in stressful situations. Psychopaths serve only themselves and see no difference between a friend and foe. They wouldn't think twice about shooting you as a fellow allied soldier if they had something to gain from it.
@@pillu7063 lol not at all
@@GameLorePage very surface level take, psychopaths do not mean unhinged traitors in combat like a free for all in the slightest - you speak from ignorance.
Impressive. Very nice. Now let’s see Paul Allen’s assessment.
Gold
Look at that subtle off-white coloring; the tasteful thickness of it… Oh my God, it even has a watermark
Pardon my ignorance, but why is Paul Allen relevant?
@@user-li2fy4hu7p who is he 😂
something wrong @148 03? Your sweating
My friend's dad said that, in the war he fought in, the "psychos" were the one's who kicked butt on the front lines. No fear, vicious, and terribly effective in battle.
Bunny and Barnes from Platoon!
It is all nonsense. A psychopath is unlikely to make it through basic training of the US military. Maybe through other military services in the world that do not perform screening.
@@DrManhattan8472me and my brother have discussed this scene. Where he's looking down and smoking a cigarette
Talking about the researcher James Fallon, and yes, he did ask his wife, kids, close associates for an honest, frank appraisal of him. They all said, "yep. we've known for some time that you were a psychopath." He goes on to say that their feedback didn't really bug him, further substantiating his psychopathy. 😂
He isn't a sociopath, he's a psychopath.
I thought it was psychopathy. Not sociopathy. There are small but important differences.
Psychopaths are capable of being very charming and are much better at hiding their... dark passenger.
@@burtan2000 it totally was, I misspoke, but also acknowledged that in a previous comment... I've now edited the comment to reflect that. 👍
@@burtan2000 Indeed. This video explains the how psychopaths are made, and touches on the differences.
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@@burtan2000 you must be a bot, people who comment wouldn't have fixed his spelling instead ridiculed him for no reason.
"Look at that subtle colouring. The tasteful thickness. Oh my God. It even has a watermark." Thanks for having me mate!
You did great Chris
Something wrong, Chris? You're sweating...
Nice mate, will catch the whole thing later on Spotify. Been watching a lot of your stuff lately too, your one with Andrew Huberman sent me down the rabbit hole!
Was the professor you mentioned James Fallon?
When I saw your name on the title. I asked myself, the podcaster from England? Sure enough. I enjoy your podcasts. Congratulations on making it to JRE!
You done us proud.
The book is called the psychopath inside. He found that without trauma in their life psychopaths will most likely not commit serious crimes.
Yes. Those brought up well will often find them selfs high ranking army or SAS, or fighters, rock climbers etc
Most psychopaths are very calculating and self serving, so yeah, why would they commit crimes? Why risk being imprisoned, it wouldn't be self serving. So interesting. They're so foreign to the normal human condition of emotions like guilt and remorse that it's so fascinating to see what goes through a their minds.
And of course a lot of children who grew up with trauma become anti social too. Even if they would have grown up with a normal way of associating with people without the trauma.
@@jambononi That's wrong tbh. Most psychopaths aren't very calculating at all, in fact, one of the great signifiers of psychopathy is extreme impulsivity and a lack of ability to delay gratification; contrary to popular opinion most people in prison who are diagnosed as psychopaths are actually below average intelligence or simply have average intelligence, the image of the smart criminal psychopath who never gets caught by the police is a Hollywood trope and really isn't accurate at all.
Crazy
@@TheOlzee "high ranking officers, SAS and... Rock climbers??? Bloody rock climbers 😆. Pull the other one lol
As a psychotherapist, I have seen psychopathic tendencies and worked with those with antisocial personality disorder (the diagnosis used for this term). However some of the comments on behaviors witnessed by people they know could also be how trauma effects the brain. It’s a coping mechanism when people are exposed to traumatic things, especially over and over to become detached and cold. They also failed to mention that the researcher likely had a good upbringing, was nurtured and has low ACE scores. Individuals with the wiring to be psychopaths- combine that with neglect, poverty, abuse or childhood trauma- more likely to lead to use of drugs and to criminal acts. This is fact. Healthy attachments will allow people to develop into individuals who can live in society, hold down jobs, abide by laws and have families.
Thank god an actual accurate professional explanation, JRE guests have a tendency to want to relate everything back to monkeys
We have a BINGO folks. James Fallon had a loving caring up bring. I hear people use the good old appeal to authority. When the only thing they are an authority of is gobbledygook. You are the real deal. Thank you for your words. I hope more people will read your comments here.
Nurture has no impact on psychopathy behaviors. A person that exhibits low emotional behaviors is not a psychopath.
Criminality is the best indicator of psychopathic tendencies. The idea of a harmless high functioning psychopath is nonsense.
Absolutely! When everyone and everything in life beats you down, you could become emotionally numb to everything. It’s all about survival and I think the psychopath gets this.
@@bighands69 are you insane nurture has an impact on everything
It is well understood that many ceos of major corporations would be considered psychopathic. Having a personality trait that allows them to make decisions indifferent of impacts to people/employees allows decisions to be made to benefit the company exclusively. Also surgeons are often psychopathic. This benefits their performance as they are able to view the patient as an object with its components rather than a human being with feelings and emotions. This allows them to focus on the task at hand.
There's a high percentage of psychopaths among medical professionals, particularly surgeons. In that context, it is probably adaptive to be cold, calculating, and emotionless ... you don't want someone's emotions overcoming them when they're cutting you open. It probably also accounts for the extreme arrogance and dismissiveness often encountered in medical settings.
EDIT: One of the commenters correctly points out that medical professionals score higher on psychopathic traits than the general population. That doesn't necessarily make them proper psychopaths. An important clarification.
And thats why they be killing us now
That's why the medical community didn't really fight back over the pseudoscience and absurdity of the coronavirus and how it was handled
I'd rather have a perfectionist god slit me open than a mediocre butcher.
Do you want someone with no empathy cutting your body though 😂
Largest percentage of psychopaths are in politics because only in government can one literally get away with theft and mass murder.
I came to this realization on my own actually. When I was in the military I worked with a guy, who I’m 99% sure was a psychopath. He was an old school guy who had been in for almost 20 years.
He had been on many deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq. He would openly talk about some of the most horrific shit that he saw, and go into extreme detail. He would even laugh when describing thing like, taliban accidentally blowing themselves up with IEDs, or blowing a hole in a guys face with a breaching shotgun.
It was disturbing at first, how little of an effect this had on him. Then one day, he was telling a story (I don’t remember about what) and my 1SG says to him, “damn bro, I wish I could get over shit as easy as you”, and he goes, “I never even had to get over it, I was just ok with it”. That’s when I realized he’s crazy. Good dude all things considered.
@@joshmiller9783 stop trying to be edgy. There’s nothing funny about killing someone, even if they deserved it. It’s not funny to normal people, at least.
@@AnusSniffer69 no but someone accidentally blowing up himself is.
@@symix. have you seen what a person looks like after being blown up? There’s nothing funny to see there. Even in that situation. This isn’t a video game. It’s horrific.
@@joshmiller9783 seeing something on the internet, and seeing something happen right in front of you are 2 different things. Terrible comparison.
@@AnusSniffer69 On, come off it.
I'd rather someone find it funny than be sexually excited by it. At least the former treats it as a joke to be heard rather than something to be sought out.
James Fallon is the professor he’s speaking of. I met him on a shuttle from the airport years ago. Nicest, most interesting person I’ve met. He’s done a lot of interviews regarding this and other mental stuff. So fascinating!
Super fascinating. I think self awareness is key to addressing this issue personally and as a society.
Psychopaths and sociopaths can do things in society that others can find difficult emotionally. As well as raiding parties: surgeons, collecting of dead and post mortem, executioner, negotiators, lawyers, crime investigators, CEOs, traders and high level finance, politicians are just some that come to mind.
YOU are one of them, you sicko
yes but in some of those proffesions because they are psychopaths it would take nothing for them to do something bad for there own gain,incase you didnt notis most people in goverments in positions of power have psychopathic traids,and in allot of country they are the ones fucking up the country's and having zero issue with lying straight to youre face about it.
This is the best comment.
Definitely not sociopaths
Psychopaths, sure. Not so with sociopaths. Sociopaths are impulsive and uncontrolled. They are reckless, and wouldn’t be fit for these jobs.
As a Brit, I'm proud of Chris Williamson and his journey as a podcaster. Wish him luck in his US journey. He's a skilled podcaster.
I've listened to him for atleast 2 years he has a good way to view things. I think
Crazy to think how far he has come since being on love island
Yeah he's done us proud. Good lad.
Excellent point . Couldn't agree more.
I was born within the same boundaries on a map as someone who is successful. Feeling proud of something you have had no part in is a sign of narcissism, isn't it?
Dudes got some excellent pen flipping skills at the end there
This was so interesting, need to watch the whole podcast now!
This falls under the same banner as anxiety. Back when we survived by sticking together in tribes, we needed highly alert and restless members to detect threats during the night when everyone else was sleeping. Anxious people were extremely valuable. If everyone in the tribe was super relaxed and slept through thunderstorms, well you'd all be screwed. The issue with anxiety in todays world is that it has no place. Like an old alarm system with malfunctioning sensors. But not so long ago it was a crucial survival instinct that kept us, and others alive. I believe this can still be observed in the social hierarchy of Chimpanzees and other species of monkeys.
in my opinion anxiety has a place still. it's hypersensitivity to the data in the environment. one can train oneself to hone that skill
Interesting and agreeable. I use my anxiety for self-improvement every single day, without fail. It's all about focusing your "power"
@@zapthefirst3423 Interesting you should say that, as I’ve just recently started looking at it in the same way. TOTAL game changer.
You are 100% correct except in the respect as in anxious we’re the sole people responsible for our survival, in my opinion. I think you should read more into evolutionary psychology, involving ALL of the brain variants. I think you’d like it.
I’m regards to psychopathy, they were responsible for our advancement into uncertain situations. I have sources and people to look into if interested
@@chrisw8049 What you're sharing already makes sense to me. I can tell the anxiety is a hyper-alertness out of self preservation. Please do share these sources you speak of
There is an interesting documentary of the man who did the study on Psychopathy -and found out he was one himself.
I loved the part where they interviewed his family and his brother said it all made sense.
When the psychopathic brother got angry, he'd start a relentless pursuit for vindication. The family reasoned that it was their loving family structure that kept him in line to a fair degree.
What's the name of the documentary please?
*Atheists*
@@Drdoofenshmirts Do elaborate, please.
@@Lordradost Awesome I'll look it up, thanks!
@@Lordradost go outside and touch some grass
I think I might be a vulnerable narcissist. Not as bad as I once was about it though. Took a lot of pain and torment to realize it and mitigate its impact on myself and the world around me.
Hey! Great conversation by the way, but I really wanted to say. I have been watching JRE for about 12 years. It has really changed my life in many positive ways!! Mostly because of the variety of people Joe has had on, and the eclectic topics that get discussed!! From Health, eating and sleep. To philosophy and morals etc!! And the surprises!!
I watched the Kat Williams interview today. I was totally shocked by the subjects they spoke about. I didn't know much about Kat outside of his stand up. Turns out they are made for each other!
Also!! Partly because I'm English maybe, but I love this Chris Williamson guy. And like many of his classic guests. Feel like Chris is one of them now. I could listen to these two aaaaalll day very happily!! 😁😁
I don't know when they changed the rules in the DSM but when I studied Psychology in college it was well understood that criminal behavior are Psychopathy was correlated but not required. There are many high functioning people in very large organizations that got there bc of their ability to not care about the consequences.
We see it every day..
Surgeons, morticians, combat soldiers, CEOs, all jobs that can allow you to thrive with lower levels of empathy
@@CalebSpears1 It's not only about empathy, but also about risk tolerance - psycopaths are rather reckless and many are employed in jobs at the edge, where they stop just short of going over, where a hormal human will stop well in advance.
Most people are self centered and don't care about consequences as long as they are removed from them. Its perhaps the only real evil in the world and its utterly banal.
The DSM has been changing a lot. Psychiatrists can’t use conversion therapy for kids thinking they are transgender or other made up genders, they have to affirm their misguided beliefs that they are trapped in the wrong bodies.
Breaking the law didn’t and shouldn’t correlate to what makes a psychopath. The intelligent ones know how to manipulate people into breaking the law for them.
Just because most of the psychopaths in the worlds of banking, finance, politics, military, media, and entertainment haven't yet been caught for committing crimes doesn't mean that's not what's happening. It doesn't make them any less psychopathic. They have a system around them to hide their crimes and pin it onto others
The ones in positions of power are also writing laws that make their actions legislatively legal even if they're morally unethical.
@@eqmuse that’s bs. Give me exact examples of that happening.
Psychopath doesn't = criminal.
It might be that the clinical diagnosis is required, but then being a psychopath on the way to a crime is therefore not a psychopath technically. But it's like autism, it's a way in which the brain works. The thing you have to understand is that not all psychopaths have a desire or need to commit crimes. It's just that if they do commit a crime, they don't feel remorse. So they won't be sad for the person they murder or steal from.
Or there's things that aren't 'crimes' but are considered immoral. Like sabotaging someone else's career in order to take their place. Like releasing a smear campaign on someone who's done nothing wrong. But feeling zero remorse for those acts.
So an example of a psychopath in the music industry is getting an 18 year old pop star to sign a contract so they have no rights to the music. Knowing that they will lose out if they become successful. It's not a crime to do that, but it is psychotic.
@@BradSabako Are you serious? This happens all the time. The billionaires pay to have laws put in place that help them and screw the country. They should be publicly executed
Good points being made. 👏
Not all criminals are psychopaths either.
This episode was informative. I love this channel
Not all psychopaths decide to do bad things. You can lack empathy and be really good at your job. It's less of a distraction and you come off as confident.
some psychopaths may even do some ebil things
True, their decision not to do bad things is not out of empathy or morals. It is because it would not serve them to do bad things. It is not about conscience.
It’s not just about doing their jobs. Psychopaths lack empathy, shame and guilt. They’re also fearless and operate like a hunter looking for prey. These traits make them dangerous to he around because you don’t know when they will screw over you. They’re monsters in human skin
Wow I’m so glad they left the last part about narcissism in. I used to have two terribly toxic friends that got so nasty when I cut my friendship off with them and everything he said about vulnerable narcissists is spot on for them. I could never quite describe to people why they were so awful and now I can.
Ex-wife and I talked for over a decade about how she'd watched her mother 'go crazy' during her youth (vulnerable narcissist) and the hell it had made out of her childhood. Said she always feared she could have the same thing happen to her.
I hate being able to confirm that it really does transfer through genetics and that I watched it happen to a woman I love, apparently like she watched it happen to her mom.
@@M-S_4321 Are you sure there isn't a problem at your end?
@@Anon-pl8kz I know what the problems are at both our ends. She and I talked about them regularly for years (not fought, not argued, not even raised our voices) Worked instead as a team trying to care for each other, plan and problem solve. She had lived through her teen years emotionally tormented by her own mothers 'erratic and dramatic' (NPD) behavior which she survived by learning to be quiet and 'keeping her head down'. She kept that learned ability to suppress herself until she couldn't anymore apparently. Ever felt a spring released from containment jump away?
most vulnerable narcissists have been bullied as kids and spend their lives chasing approval. I know one from my highschool years ago and guess what hes in jail for murder now
@@adriankelly350 name?
I dealt with a Psychopath Narcissists 2 years ago... Freaking Terrifying!!
And that's exactly what He does. Once people figure him out in an area, he just moves....
Psychopaths are often pointing out other individuals as psychopaths. That is exactly what they do.
That's not true, I didn't move.
No. Wait.
Give some examples...this is kinda fascinating.
Why would they move? I don't get it, most of them hide and its not like they have some criminal tendencies, all they have to do is to not lose mask
Chris is such a great communicator
Think this conversation has been very enlightening, especially what is going on right now in the world.
Back in the day, an outlaw was someone who had traveled from one town to another. In the 1200s, if you were traveling to another town by yourself, it’s probably because you killed somebody in the last town you were in.
The sheriff used to go from town to town investigating whether there were any major crimes to report, but also whether there were any outlaws, meaning just that there was someone new in town.
I learned this in English legal history in law school.
How did you study for your LSAT?
@@TheTurbanatore Find used test masters workbooks online. Take 3-4 practice tests. Stop studying at least a week beforehand or you’ll burn out. Don’t go to law school if you can’t break 160.
@@davidusa47 Thank you for the amazing advice. If you don’t mind sir, I have another question: How long do you suggest I study for the LSAT? And Do you recommend I study while I’m completing my bachelors degree or should I start studying after I finish my degree?
@@TheTurbanatore You should major in philosophy. It teaches you logic, which helps on the LSAT and as an attorney. If you can’t cut it in philosophy class (I couldn’t; I also didn’t go straight to law school), check out English or History. All of these majors require you to read a lot.
If you’re majoring in anything law related as an undergrad (like criminal studies), it means you probably shouldn’t go to law school. No offense.
@@davidusa47 I major In philosophy at UBC in Canada and minor in Law. I was thinking of writing my LSAT in October, but don't think I will have enough time to study, as I will be doing classes while I study.
"He may be a psychopath, but he's our psychopath". Generation Kill (2008). Great series.
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Great book. The series left out lots of events from that units deployment.
I thought it was from House of Gucci
A true psychopath is never yours. Lame ass quote lol
Lol!!
I’m a self-diagnosed psychopath. The level of ignorance regarding this condition is astounding. We are not monsters. We are human. We want love, family, and happiness. We just don’t have any emotions.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 okay you’re not bad guy or the villain stop saying this nonsense thing
Of course psychopaths have emotions as everybody else but the difference is it’s very blunt, almost like feeling hungry or thirsty. So They don’t really love like having a genuine connection, they never connect and feel nostalgic about anything. Having friends and relationships is more out of boredom or using them to their advantage.
@@ZuZu66667 true. I like to consider it a less broad span of emotions compared to someone who is neurotypical. We have basic survival skills, but lack nuance to form deep, intimate connections with other people. For me, I seek relationships but often just for the appearance of looking like I have a lot of friends/being socially competent. I have to remind myself that friendships and relationships are more than just surface-level.
That neurologist finding out he was a psychopath in the course of studying psychopaths' brain scans sounded like such a "...and they found out the call was coming from UPSTAIRS" story I had to google it, lol.
Lol!
Can you explain what this means please? I don't understand the reference
Most psychologists choose that profession to treat their own psychosis
@@leomn2075 Good man
His name is Jim Fallon.
Chris Williamson mentions that there is a point system to determine who meets the criteria of being a "psychopath". Almost everyone will experience a psychopathic tendency, whether in regards to a particular thing or a product of what is around them. Just like mental health in general, usually these actions are never cause for concern until a significant portion of your daily life or others are effected by those tendencies in a significant way. This being said, those who deal with high stress situations, emergency services, bosses, service men, leaders, will be required to act very differently than most so they can think clearly, to increase the neural pathways and circuits through repetition, to be able to respond effectively.
You can train or desensitize yourself to different stimuli overtime or increase your regulated psychopathic traits but the core of actual psychopathy is a gift of an innate ability to already have the desensitization built in or low autonomic nervous system arousal.
Aren't we all just narcists and psychopaths and every other cist and path🤷♂. Just because we haven't been put in that kind of situation does not mean that we're not. I've seen horrible shit and felt empathy yet I too would want nothing more for people to ef off after they ate at my home too.
@@sbshaunb95 Traits yes...disorder/brain wiring no
BTW: you cannot perform this test on your own.
Jesus christ that was good
Yea I'm that guy too. Always think ill self destruct eventually but never do. I have zero emotions. It bothers others. Especially when you have kids
Vulnerable narcissism looks like people without confidence.
It's people who need to prove to themselves that they're capable of being at the top of a hierarchy.
Basically a manchild yeah
I learned the most important phrase in the army
It was in relation to soldiers... but it actually makes more sense to me in relation to humans...
Theres no such thing as a bad person/soldier.
There are only improperly motivated people/soldiers....
So happy for Chris this is a huge moment in his career and he fully deserves it! Modern wisdom is my daily fix, keep up the great work brother.
even if he is talking a load of shit!?
now of the info he got from his "researcher" is even close to an accurate representation of the professors work.
He is just a liar praying on those without critical thinking for clicks and likes.
A grifter at best.
Loooooool
@@rubymclovely747 Seems like you would have been great in raiding parties
SCIENTIST'S FOUND THAT LEFTIST'S BRAIN'S REACT LESS THAN PEOPLE ON THE RIGH WHEN SHOWN DISTURBING IMAGES = LEFTIST ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE PSHYCOPATH'S .............
I used to work at a psych facility with patients, the nurses used to use the Psych Techs that were a little off when patients got out of hand
You don’t have to be a psychopath to not have a problem killing people. Especially if there is a cause/reason to defend or anything like that. Some people miss some sensitivity buttons, while other kind of sensitivity is still there. Not all people are the same.
I think if you examine the top of any hierarchy, you'll find that psychopathy probably isn't uncommon at the top in the leadership bracket. There's a reason so many of these people become uber successful. Turns out it's a trait that relentlessly pushes people to seeking status and power.
Conscientiousness is a trait that is universally prevalent in those fields. It's actually the 2nd strongest correlate of long term life success. Conscientious people feel guilt and are more likely to act with integrity and less likely to leech off others.
There are SOME psychopaths in those fields, but most psychopaths can't work 60-80 hours a week. And trust and trustworthiness actually happen to be hugely economically useful, especially in societies like America which, while somewhat corrupt, are nowhere near as corrupt as the systems in, say, India.
There are niches where psychopaths can thrive, but generally speaking the upper echelons of most hierarchies have people who aren't psychopathic. They might be low in compassion and politeness (agreeableness), which makes them competitive, and, if they're conscientious, makes them hyper-critical and unforgiving, but not psychopathic.
im convinced every bigger CEO out there is psychopathic. no sane person would want to keep making money even if you can afford literally everything at that point
@@paveantelic7876 That's a stupid claim.
People don't only become successful for money. They do it for status, competition, etc.
By the way, psychopaths are notoriously lazy, but CEOs notoriously work 80-90 hours a week. Psychopaths have to move from victim to victim, because people find out their manipulation, but CEOs have to depend on their reputation which follows them wherever they go. Psychopaths are non-productive, but non-productive CEOs get fired.
@@paveantelic7876 Who said CEOs can afford everything?
DC is loaded...they are all psychopaths.....dictators are normally psychopaths
Lookup Sam Vaknin, a professor in psychology. He’s by far one of the most educated people on this Earth when it comes to Narcissism, psychopathy, and other mental disorders. It’s a lot more complex than people would ever imagine with a lot of overlap.
Yes it is easy to fall into generalisations here, when in fact we are probably all capable of these types of states to one degree or another if the circumstances were warranted. Humans behaviourally adapt as well and can be passed down subconsciously over generations and through cultural group think, what can appear to be just genetics can actually be genetic adaptation.
link us the best vid please
@@gaussminigun7095 the myth of the fearless psychopath
@@gaussminigun7095 My favourite video is the one where he compares narcissism, borderline, psychopathy and autism.
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Yes and Sam Vaknin is also a self proclaimed narcissist. Fascinating!
I was a participant in one of these studies. It fulfills all the volunteer credits you need for the entire semester.
This guy Chris is so smooth and eloquent
U made it chris...we love u...what an episode this was... complete gold ❤️
I’m so proud of Chris! What a journey
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If Jean Claude van Damme and Clint Eastwood had a baby..it would be this guy.
lol relax bro it's not like he's your dad
What's his story?
@@BedlamsBluff he pooped his pants and then spent the rest of his life plotting his revenge
Psychopathy is a personality disorder. Referred to antisocial personality disorder is DSM V. So just like borderline personality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality…. Anyone can easily meet the criteria. However narcissism and antisocial personality are the two that have much less distressing impacts in the individual. People with the other personality disorders often experience a lot of distress and awareness of their poor functioning.
I’m a psychologist and work with people with severe mental health difficulties daily. And I scored 34 on the psychopath checklist. The checklist by Dr Robert Hare but I have never committed a crime.
This was very mind blowing
Yup. Our unit psychiatrist told us that if we didn’t have trauma after our deployment we should really worry. He made it easier for us to get therapy when we got home.
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Happy to see Chris here, i have followed him for some time, and have really come to like him
Lol!
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The guy is actually smart and very knowledgeable.
He's a grifter. He couldn't contain his laughter when talking about people losing their jobs for speaking out and not being woke or politically correct, saying they're stupid and they get what is coming to them.
@@realCharAznable calm yourself
This was fascinating. And terrifying. CW = GREAT guest.
The video ended beautifully with Joe's legendary "mmmhhhhh yeah" 🤣
Congrats to Chris. Big move being able to do JRE far earlier than anticipated.
he's well above rogans interlect.
I think you’re talking about James Fallon who did brain scans on psychopaths at UC Irvine back in the 2000s and found out he has the same psychopathic characteristics in his own brain scans!
Lol
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The Psychopathic Mind. Excellent book.
He was doing brain scans of other researchers as a control group and one of the controls was a psychopath. They checked and it was his scan
Is that the same guy who said you had to have a certain gen to become a violent psycopath?
Agree with everything that actions separate. I feel like your surroundings have a lot to do with that. A good support system will pull you back away from acting on these perpetual feelings.
I was in love with a psychopath. He was a surgeon. He lost his license for assaulting his patients while they were under anesthesia. I found out when I saw him on the news.
You were in love with his money and image, hoping that other women would be jealous of you having a boyfriend that was a surgeon. At least grow enough ovaries to admit THAT.
I’ve always suspected this has something to do with why some women also find psychopaths extremely attractive (even if they won’t readily admit it). Life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. Sometimes it’s war, and psychopaths are better suited for mentally enduring the brutal hell that war often entails. A psychopath who is able to exercise self-control over their impulses for violence can become a hero. It’s like Robert Sapolsky says, “We love violence, just in the right context.”
Women do not find psychopaths' attractive and are repelled by them. Women that are attracted to them tend to be vulnerable.
@@bighands69 He mentioned that they won't readily admit it. It's young and naive women that find antisocial behavior irresistible in men, they outgrow it eventually if their minds aren't too fucked up.
The idea is that they want a ferociously aggressive, fearless man to protect them--but, then they realize that they need protection from those men most of all, and some will outgrow their attraction to them when they start thinking that having the status of being with a man who dominates at any and all cost is more aggravation than it's worth.
@@bighands69 Clearly you haven't heard of how many letters murderers get from women. And clearly you aren't familiar with Jordan petersons work on the subject. SOME women fall for psychopaths due to their manipulative behavior and often its the bright women. Strange world. I wish it was as simple as "no they dont"
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It is only a small number of women that find those antisocial behaviors irresistible and the reason for that is because those women confuse those behaviors with character and assurance. It is the same reason why some women are attracted to married men or men of authority.
There is also cases of women being attracted to catholic priests who can never marry.
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Roughly around one in ten people have an IQ that is below independent function levels. In men those levels of IQ develop certain types of behaviors and they also do the same in women.
Those women with lower IQ levels are not function by any normal standard and will find them self doing things outside the norms of human behavior. Historically in liberal culture post 1800s women with lower IQ levels can actually still find them self in a good relationship with a man and have a perfectly healthy family as their desires to love the children still apply.
The problem is when those women meet men who are manipulative and in the modern world there is a large number of psychopathic men that will prey upon those women when society knows exactly what those men are.
Watching joes podcast guarantees me to always have a interesting convo that I bring to the table🤣
Were going to need it again soon
Why would the professor put himself in his own study when he designed the study and possibly even hand selected the images? Of course he isn’t going to react because he knows what the study is about!
Makes sense
I think the biggest determining factor between the differences of the two psychopaths, the ones that are unhinged so to speak, and those that have it under control, is a basic self awareness and adaptation around their environment. Those that are essentially smart enough to understand that they're an abnormality, and to act, as to blend in and not muddy the waters, they gain an incognito like ability to live life semi comfortably. Just appearing normal enough to blend in, understanding the implications of their own actions. They become aware of the fact that giving into base impulses will only cause themselves and others around them discomfort or worse. They come to the conclusion, logically of course, that they'd be better off blending in, and acting. Rather than to act upon their disorder. The psychopath is fully aware of their abnormalities. Those that are obvious, even those that aren't so obvious, are eventually discovered. Those with perhaps less severe psychopathic traits, learn to adapt to the environment and act as chameleons. Blending in, exhibiting behavior that is considered normal, but cautious enough as to not show their true face around anyone. It's rather frightening to think someone researching psychopaths later found out that they are the very thing they're researching. Even more frightening when they seem to piece together the puzzle that is their own life. I truly believe we can never fully know ourselves. We are destined to our pursuit of unfullfilling knowledge, never satisfied, always on the edge of discovery, but always pushed down by our own lack of capabilities. We are only human after all. Limited by the confines of our minds. We've come far, and unless we prevent ourselves from doing so, we will go much further. The almost random element of biology prevents us from truly understanding. The unique human experience is, as I see it, impossible to fully replicate. As similar as anyone of us are, we are much too different to fully understand each other. I guess that's what makes life so interesting at the end of the day.
Edit: I'm not one to leave messages based on the reactions of my comments, but I can't express how much joy these comments are bringing me. I always doubt myself, and to see all of you getting value from my words is wonderful. Thank you all!
We everyone we find our life we lose it.
This was a great read thank you
@@jakeoutlaw3056 I actually really appreciate this comment. Sometimes I wonder if I ramble, but it's nice to see people enjoying it.
How long did it take for you to type that 😵
@@rjparsons3568 about 20-30 minutes. Had a cigarette while I was outside. I was a bit drunk and high while writing, so you can take from that what you wish.
4:02 "who the f are all these people in my house and eating my food" 😆 sounds just like my dad
Great clip!
I don't live in the UK nor the US, but I think it's very important to be careful to stigmatize people as psychopaths so lightly. You need to, not only examine, but experience actually meeting one in real person. They're are not that so many, only according to ME!
2 masters of the podcast conversation, a beautiful flow ....erudite ....concise...interesting and inspiring! Right up there with some of my all time favourite rogan episodes!
True!
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Pretty cool to see Chris on the podcast. Crazy how he first came on the scene on Love Island. His podcast is great, definitely check it out.
I had a boss who was a grandiose narcissist with psychopathy (his ex-wife’s therapist told her he seemed to have the traits). He brought a gun to work and threatened to blow my co-workers brains out for losing a deal.
A family member is a vulnerable narcissist (diagnosed by a psychologist). I’m MUCH more afraid of her.
My former boss was like a house cat. He’d probably murder someone if he thought he could get away it. But at the end of the day knows who fills his food bowl.
She’s more like an anxious rat terrier that was beaten as a puppy. She’s a terrible combination of fearful and aggressive. She’s completely unpredictable.
Incredible video!
Psychopathy is my new favorite word.
I will use it in everyday conversation from now on.
It's a good band name. Probably already taken lol.
"this sandwich is so psychopathy"
Why the fuck would you use that everyday? Thats insane and stupid
The history of the so called "Psychopath check sheet" is pretty interesting. Read "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson.
You will find out that the "checksheet" was never suppose to be used for legal purposes. The authentic pschopath test was found to be effective but unethical. The checklist was a poor poor substitute.
what was the authentic psychopath test? and why is it unethical?
@@yuzan3607 Probably tested their degree of psychopathy in real life scenarios.
I just read this book today. Pages 84-126 were especially good and fascinating.
One of my professors said it best, when we were talking about psychopathy in human populations. "We have a problem with psychopaths.Warrior cultures solve this by exporting them to get plunder from their neighbors."
This is a very good topic I don't know if it's because narcissist and many other phycolagy definitions are talked about much much more nowadays. But I always found phycolagy very interesting but after being in a relationship with a woman who like this guy was talking about vulnerable narcissist It was something that only somebody that has sadly been a victim of can only understand. What is crazy is now I see there are many many people who are narcissist. They are truly the most predictable yet also the most unpredictable people ever.
What’s very hurtful and sad to me is it who they’re talking about n they put it in words that I could never explain. I want to heal n be better but idk where to go I’m highly intelligent amongst other attributes but this video spoke to me
I worked for a vulnerable narcissist. It was terrible. He framed me for stuff I hadn’t done just so he could tell other people I was the problem. He was constantly gaslighting me. And I am using “gaslighting” correctly. He would try to make me think I had said or done something I hadn’t. He was emotionally manipulative. He lied pretty much all the time. He played people off against each other. He cared way too much about how he looked, the clothes he wore, how I looked, the clothes I wore, etc. He would put me down for things I did well. So I was a loser because I lift weights. And I am stupid for going to university. But the truth is, he was uneducated and weaker than your average woman. And I know that’s why he would attack me on those two points.
It wasn’t until after I quit and I was teaching some psychiatrists English that one of psychiatrists told me it sounded like he was a narcissist. I had no idea what narcissists were.
Psychopaths gravitate towards being ceos, politicians, police officers, military, race car drivers. Very few of them go on to do heinous violent crimes. People hear the word "psychopath" and immediately identify it with someone like Ted Bundy, when overall this just is not the case. ASPD has a wide range of individuals who fall under this umbrella. Its my belief psychopathy is a major advantage in a society like ours. Fear response holds most people back from ever chasing their dreams, or accomplishing much. Most will just live a boring, comfortable existence in exchange for a false sense of safety.
This is a bunch of book selling nonsense.
You know what kind of person tries to defend and promote psychopathy...?
Bundy was bi-polar and psychopaths are generally male, fill most of the prison population, do worse at school. most achieve nothing in life.
No, psychopaths don't lack fear of speaking etc in groups. They lack boundaries and fear in a moment carried by an absurd but to themselves valid principle in their head which was made usually prior to their actions, and when they lack desire to live then how far they take it can be horrendous and therefore they'll be known as the Ted Bundy type. Sure a psychopath characteristic might be more common in a successful person however their brain needs more than this one element for success.
Based take
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Great clip.
I enjoyed this very much
So proud of Chris to get to where he has got. Fully deserved for the work he has put in over the years.
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I am a psychologist I know the professor he is talking about and this is all bollocks.
Mischaracterizing at best down right lying for effect at worst.
-He was studying the genetic component of psychopathy and found he share the gene that is present in around 70% of psychopaths convicted of violent crimes.
-You do not have to be convicted of a crime to be classified as a psychopath
-There are many high functioning psychopaths in society who excel in areas such as business and politics where ruthlessness and focus are rewarded.
-Apart from the genetic component of psychopathy the trigger to acting in a violent way stereotyped with psychopathy is still a traumatic event of abuse.
-Psychopathy and sociopath don't tend to stand out as he characters them as they are very adapt at reading people and situations so as to act in a social acceptable way.
IN SHORT:
HE IS FULL OF SHIT ;-)
Cool
@@rubymclovely747 I’m guessing that you, like a lot of people, haven’t listened to the full podcast and are basing your conclusion solely on this little snippet?
Chris is a podcaster. He’s not an expert in any particular field. He admits (in this very show) that during his interviews he is the dumbest person in the room. What you are watching here is not two brilliant minds exchanging factual information, it’s two dudes chewing the fat over interesting shit they’ve heard. Sometimes that shit can be so interesting, it prompts some listeners to go and further investigate the topic themselves. Maybe he butchered the facts, but do you remember every little detail of everything you ever talk about? They’re just having the craic.
Context is EVERYTHING.
For a psychologist you seem very judgemental.
The professor that he’s talking about is Dr. James H. Fallon, Professor Emeritus, Anatomy & Neurobiology School of Medicine at the University of California, Irvine. Extremely interesting study he did. If you want to listen to him speak on the matter check out episode 2 of a podcast called Sword and Scale.
My baby daddy/ex husband is a vulnerable narcissist diagnosed with NPD. He is the worst person on earth and is extremely toxic.
I was at lindisfarne a few month back... pretty cool. I only live a an hour and a halfs drive away but never visited.
The guy (the psychopath study doctor/prof) wrote a book on it. He looked into his past and he saw things like playing chess with his children and not allowing them to win. That he would compete in chess, with children. His own kids. little things like that. A really interesting book.
What is the book called
Psychopaths can live crime-free life, especially when pursuing business careers. They often screw people over and for them the end always justifies the means - that's why they make up high percentage (in comparison to population avarage) of the upper echelon positions of big companies.
You should look into the dark triad. You might find it interesting. What you're describing is the Machiavellian aspect of the dark triad. "The end justifies the means."
@@DL900RME I appreciate you, man, but I know the topic, although I never did a deep dive into Machiavellianism. I have a black metal band dedicated to pathology of conciousness, so I know a lot of stuff people don't know.
F.e. Plutchik's three-dimensional emotion cone / wheel of emotions is fascinating - I bet you that most people don't know that boredom in high intensity is disgust, and disgust. At first you think that it's BS, but if you think about it if someone is extremely boring you, you feel some type of way towards them, and you want to get rid of them from your vicinity, or remove yourself from their company.
Psychology is fascinating, but I don't have a degree, and my intrest lays in the pathologies. Substance abuse, mental illness.
Fuukkk, I still fully don't understand my fascination in being the dominating person in BDSM, cause in 'real life' I'm VERY empathic and sometimes I'd rather help someone, while I myself need help. So on some level I want to have someone's will under my command, and physically that's easy for me, cause I am 6'8'' (202cm) and I am pretty athletic and a little bear-like xD Of course I set up safe words, three to be exact. One is for my sub to tell, if I'm too easy, second one is if I'm too hard and need to adjust, and third is outright stop. I tell those three words before session and first thing I do is ordering to repeat those words and what they mean. BDSM without consent is straight up abuse, and in situations where "no" doesn't mean "no" I can imagine having no safe word only with my future wife (if she'll be into that of course).
In Plutchik wheel 'Submission' is combination of tree with TRUST and FEAR and 'Love' is also TRUST, but mixed with JOY. Like before, at first glance BDSM seems like "nasty kink", but it has more in common with Love than you think, cause both submission and love are "made" out of two ingredients, and they share one.
Any comment? I love talking bout' psychology, but rarely I find someone that knows or is interested in the 'darker' stuff so to speak.
Cheers, and have a good day! Hope to hear back from you ^_^
PS. I live in Poland, so the BDSM knowledge is unfortunately very limited in most people (although most girls are happy to try basic D/s stuff and enjoy it very much in my experience :P)
Enjoyed it!
Boy this reminds me of someone so much.
Chris is brilliant, and he's getting better and better.
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A few important points in this conversation need to be pushed back on a bit:
1. The question itself of “why hasn’t psychopathy been bred out of existence?” begs the question. It assumes the conclusion that psychopathy is a genetic trait being passed on reproductively. It’s a question about the heritability of psychopathy as a neat genetic sequence. But we actually don’t know the heritability of psychopathy. It appears to be both nature and nurture (genetics and environment), so the question of whether psychopathy is evolutionarily adaptive or not is not something we can actually answer or speculate on unless we know for sure how heritable it is on a molecular genetic level.
2. Even if psychopathy were highly heritable (let’s say 75% or more), by definition, a psychopath is someone who is capable of manipulating others and hiding their lack of empathy well through other mechanisms, such as charm or success. This doesn’t at all preclude them from reproducing. Evolution is always a question of the traits that led to survival long enough to be able to reproduce. Psychopaths aren’t automatically negated from reproduction because psychopathy doesn’t impair the ability to reproduce (i.e. psychopaths don’t die off before the age of reproduction). In fact, they might be more successful at reproducing given their psychopathy (if you catch my drift).
3. The question of what purpose does psychopathy serve is a teleological question, which Dawkins would tell you has no place in a discussion about evolutionary biology. Evolutionary biology is not that kind of thing. Though it’s a very clean and elegant explanation, the theory of evolution cannot explain teleological reasons for what purpose certain traits serve-it’s purely about genetic selection, not necessarily what makes “sense” to us humans who are meaning-making machines.
4. Those are not exactly the definitions of grandiose vs. vulnerable narcissist. Both types are seeking approval from others, which is what can make them dangerous (re: what happens when they don’t get validation? Will they retaliate? Will they dominate?). Vulnerable narcissists use a mechanism of gaining pity or sympathy while grandiose narcissists use a mechanism of demanding “respect” for their grandeur, and when either of them don’t get it, they dominate/harm in some capacity the person who isn’t feeding into their illusions of either grandeur or weakness.
These are points that any first or second year psych, biology or even philosophy student could push back against from this video. Not saying this to be smug, but this is why it’s important to ask yourself always whether the person you’re listening to is an authentic expert or not. I could tell within the first two minutes that he’s not a psychologist or has even taken college level psychology courses. There’s lots of research available about psychopaths conducted by clinical psychologists, so if you are interested in understanding psychopaths (especially if you’re a survivor of a narcissistic family member or spouse), then go find that information because it’s really important psycho-adaptively for us to understand psychopaths so we don’t become victims of them.
Thanks a Ton Emily!
Well said. Similar ideas about homosexuality.
I work on my PhD about the repetition phenomenon and how since the philosophy of the light we lost all our mythology…. So with the industrial time who followed that philosophy, we became unenchanted… but mythology is important so unconsciously we teen chanted by creating a new narrative so we creating monsters because monsters are the reasons for the hero to exist….. now we need psychopath to feel that we exist because this is the reflection of how we became nihilistic.. feel nothing so we need to be shock at every breath we take. There is so much to say.. like the monsters or the ones who are « anormaux » are creating a bounds with the rest of the society…. Crazy…
psychopaths scare me so much I just can't imagine having no feeling like that, it seems so empty. I love that I can cry and feel emotional pain and empathy it makes me human. Not having that seems so scary
wuss
@@joriankell1983 Oo we got a badass over here
@@starmorpheus oh, look. Another wuss
Idk I think it would be kinda cool. I definitely wouldn’t want to be a psychopath but I would like to have a switch where I could turn my empathy and emotions completely off for a time to be more productive.
It is. It's terrifying
same for special forces units, lots of them score high in psychopathy which is really useful since they are in highly traumatic and stressful situations, and being able to easily regulate emotions would be very useful.
Also you would guess that there would be psychopaths in jobs like spec ops since these jobs might bring the thrill, but will also bring immense prestige as well.
The ability to easily regulate emotion is not an APD characteristic. Psychological screening is conducted for Tier 1 operators and they're "supposed" to screen these people out, but it depends.
With this usually you find some who are more or less already on the scale of anti social personality disorder than full blown psychopaths. If they end up that it’s usually because they’re “made” as the repeated killing etc is something that they eventually become desensitized too or easier with X amount of times they’ve killed. I’m sure there’s a couple born ones in the regular military ops tho. Golden state killer, Israeli Keys, BTK, David Berkowitz, Dahmer are a couple that were just standard military.
Yes! This is just like Casey from yellowstone. Watch him closely and he is cold, emotionless and just loves day to day not grieving too much. Numb to his surroundings and the killing he had to do through out the show.
@@anthonyp3113 Tier 1, remember - not Tier 2 though. Tier 2 still includes things like SEALS, MARSOC, 75th Rangers, and so on. I am aware that they still do a lot of the same polygraph testings, screenings, etc - but Tier 2 is still something to be highly considered when talking about this.
@@anthonyp3113 aspd is a spectrum. In reality they're only screening out the low functioning ones who lack self awareness. Every single candidate that is a sociopath/psychopath that passes selection is automatically high functioning since they demonstrated an ability to hide their behavior.
i have diagnosed my x wife as a vulnerable narcissist, thanks to this 7 minute clip, LoL kidding, not kidding
My mother too lol
Narcissism is "real" if you believe in it
@@JamesBongo Narcissism, like any psychological diagnosis, is a distinct set of behaviors and beliefs. So if your argument is that humans don't display distinct patterns of behavior and thought I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people that these diagnosis' don't exist.
@@Michaeldoors that is kind of what I'm saying. humans can fluid personality and I do not think that we can accurately discribe the human consciousness much less diagnose it
@@Michaeldoors most psychiatry is based on the supposition that we know what a "normal" human is supposed to look like. Its extremely reductionist labeling all quality deemed "bad" as illness. Once you believe there are devils all around you you will start to see them.
“who tf are these people in my house eating my food”
valid tbh
6:20 me in my head , HOMELANDER!!!
You don't need to have committed a crime to be a psychopath. You can have behavior that is borderline criminal or that is destructive to others in a carefully constructed way so as to be legally done
Facts. Most criminals are not psychopath. I know people that join gangs out of fear or just trying Impress girls or just get money. Most criminals want money. But I agree with you
Did you not listen? He said thats how they are classified by the institutions.
@@bento4876 That is not how they are classified by institutions. Criminal behavior is one-factor among 8 and you don't need all 8 to have the personality disorder. Just about 5
Interesting topic - I once read that the difference between a psychopath is a physical distinction/malformation in the brain. There is a connection missing between the Prefrontal cortex and the amyglada. These areas of the brain perceive emotion, guilt, fear, and anxiety.
The pathway is was found to be severed most often by some type of brain injury. Whether the injury is caused by assault, accidental dropping, or car accident this connection is severed, and thus allows psychopaths to act in a way that many of us normally wouldn't because these areas of the brain would hinder our ability to function so brazenly.
I am afraid that is not the case. A psychopath is not a medical condition nor is it something that can be easily studied through psychology.
What normally defines a psychopath is the acts that they committed not psychoanalysis. What is labelled as psychopathy is most likely to manifest in men but it does happen in women as well but in much lower numbers.
People have a tendency to confuse general psychological health conditions, psychosis and sociopathic behaviors with that of psychopathic behaviors.
@@bighands69 Firstly, I wasn't stating an opinion. This is was a FACT widely accepted by the psychology field.
Thirdly, I never stated it was a medical condition, not where you got that from, but if you want to get technical, please see the examples below as I do think it would be a medical condition if a person wanted to push that narrative.
Any physical alteration of the body that is not considered normal is classified as an injury, correct? A broken arm, is a medical injury, a fractured bone is a medical injury, a cardiovascular seizure aka heart attack is considered a medical injury.
Why would a physical disconnection between two important areas in the brain not classy as a medical injury?
@@ethan.... we can all push a narrative. I'm not sure I know a completely accurate FacTermination, no matter how prevailing the accredited conglomerate explanation may hold
1:45 mercenaries my dude.
Its been a long standing profession.
That pen is getting the greatest massage ever!
Joe wanted to say "mm, Brendan Schaub" when Chris was describing the vulnerable narcissist.
spot on
Lol I was thinking that too 🤣
Always fun when these guys describe your best personality traits
lmaooooo bruh
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anyone else notice how crazed Chris's face is when he is talking about the professor
The older I get the more I realize how many true psychopaths I've met and known throughout my life. I think much more than 1% of humans are psychopathic, especially nowadays. They go unnoticed.
I think it's because a lack of empathy is being hardwired into society. We've become desensitized to things that would normally trigger a serious empathetic response, because it happens so often. We've just grown used to the trauma of life
You have to realize that 1% is a lot bigger than you’d think. Everyone knows of someone who died from covid. Covid only killed 0.3% of Americans.
@@lifejusbe I agree but at the same time I feel like so much people are weak now a days, depressed and all that bs.
This was a very interesting story, and I'm a bit fascinated by how the professor conducting the research project ended up being a psychopath himself. I personally have known a few psychopaths unfortunately, with my uncle being one of them. He is just an absolutely unhinged cantankerous human being, showing very little to no ability to respect personal boundaries and constantly bullies pretty much anyone he comes into contact with. He once choked my cousin for stealing the headlights off his truck and the entire time, was completely quiet and mute beating him up and showing no ounce of rage. That just blew my mind away. I certainly could never maintain that level of composure in a dangerous situation like that, especially when I'm not sure what the other person is capable of.
That’s actually one of the criteria in the Dsm. Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others.
@@Mereship It definitely is. And a lot of them tend to have a narcissistic element to them as well, because the ones I've known constantly play mind games on you and one you up. They can cause some really fucked up PTSD and major anxiety problems.
This argument is easy to counter. Because most really tough high testosterone men are altruistic. In fact high testosterone seems to be correlated with altruism and empathy. They are tough, but fair. In other words, they are righteous. They lack empathy for people who do terrible things, but DO have empathy for good people. These men, the Navy Seals, the "heroes" have the mental fortitude to be violent without being sociopathic. These are the tough people who keep us safe. We'll do just fine without psychopaths in the genepool.