People complaining about CGI are just boomers yearning for nostalgia.The world is our oyster with CGI,almost anything can be created.Give it another decade or 2 time and it'll be indistinguishable from live action.
@@deansandrice4853 You may be right in a decade or 2, but now it looks about as realistic as the animation in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, hence the rampant disgust.
@@deansandrice4853 I'm Gen X. Taking a great story line and adding CGI ruins so many promising horror movies. Sinister and The Grudge immediately come to mind. That's why Ju On: The Grudge will always be the better movie. Hell, the claymation in the original IT is more impressive than the CGI in most movies from the 2000's to present date.
121bham are you kidding me ? Neil kept interrupting joe every time it was annoying as fuck this is just two guys talking and having fun not debating and interrupting
The Thing ('82), Exorcist, Dawn of the Dead ('78), were films that are absolute gold when it comes to horror, effects & makeup. Can't talk about makeup & effects without mentioning Tom Savini.
Watching lots of old horror movies because it's the season, and it's fun to hear them talk all that stuff. Rob is very knowledgable and passionate about those.
I know, right? I'm exhausted 😴 and I was juuusst about to go to bed, and then I saw this video. Damn it Rob Zombie.... 😒 I have to get up an be reasonably functional in about 5 hours, so I really SHOULD be in bed now, but no. I'm gonna be watching UA-cam instead. Thanks a lot Mr. Zombie.... 🤨
Erica and Aiden. Exactly same here....tired af....but now I can't sleep, have to listen to this. Damnit. Losing precious sleep. Rob Zombie is turning me into..........a zombie.
Yeah. And it actually nails that Lovecraftian horror theme of having an antagonist that was unknowable and virtually impossible to beat. Even at the end it wasn’t clear if the Thing was dead or not.
The biggest example of cgi gone all fucked up are the Jurassic park movies. How is it that the original Jurassic park looks more believable than the new ones
Yeah Spielberg knew how to frame scenes so that the CGI effects looked as good as possible, especially when combined with all the great practical makeup and animatronics. Modern movies use CGI as a go-to resource when it really should be the last resort to make a scene work.
Recent CGI is usually animated really badly so it's not the actual visuals/details (although the lighting is also bad and jarring) but more the fact that the animals etc. Are overly animated and unnatural. It doesn't give a feeling or sense of weight. Jurassic Park (1993) textures admittedly look dated now but it's the animation and cinematography thats top notch and ultimately makes it more believable than Jurassic World.
My older cousin was a horror movie collector and showed us some crazy vintage horror flicks growing up. House, Black Sabbath, the 70's zombie movies, foreign gore movies. That era of movies cannot be topped IMO.
Nothing beats old school horror. Bela Lugosi, Lan Chaney, Boris Karloff & I think Vincent Price is my all time favorite. So many great Price movies. I especially love The Abominable Dr Phibes & his series of Edgar Allen Poe films with Roger Corman. *”PIT &THE PENDULUM”*
Yes you’ve listed the dream team right there, with both Lon Chaney and his son too. You should check out the movies where Karloff and Legosi star together. It’s a treat watching them perform against one another
I just got the Universal horror collection 30 classic horror movies. All the Dracula, Mummy, Frankenstein, creature, invisible man and Wolf man movies been slowly watching my way through um and loving every moment of it. Wish they made movies this good nowadays.
It's just crazy to me how a lot of people only know him for that one role, because he was a really gifted actor. He stole Son Of Frankenstein as Ygor, probably the best performance in any of those old monster movies, and elevated Ghost Of Frankenstein with that same character. Black Cat, The Raven, White Zombie, Island Of Lost Souls, Mark Of The Vampire, etc. He was in like 100 movies but most of the time they just didn't know how to utilize him.
Clive Barker's *Hellraiser* was absolutely awesome and it gave that sense of dread because the characters were real/in the flesh. Especially the way "Frank" was reconstituting his flesh.😲😁
Id like to argue that Frank and the wife were the real monsters in that; not pinhead. Really frank feeds on humans and pinhead feeds on frank. Human(innocent) beats pinhead.
hex warp from what I gather from the original movie is that ‘pinhead’ and the cenobites are really quite neutral and don’t really pass judgement on what is ‘good’ and ‘evil’ like a hero or villain is. They’re simply scions of the world they’re from. Of pain equaling pleasure. To them, they have no understanding of doling out punishment as retribution, simply as a function. If you seek out the configuration, you must have some sense of knowing what you’re doing. Don’t come to the party if you’re not ready to dance (so to speak)
The edge of Hellraise was that the bad guy was a mere human, not the Cenobites/Priest (aka Pinhead). Same goes for Night Breed which is my personal favorite. The Director's Cut would be perfect were it not for that god awful singing performance during the LSD scene. 😑
Im glad Joe is showing his kids old movies to see where all this new shit came from and the progression. That's how I got hooked on horror is from my dad showing me old horrors and other old movies.
Michael Cauterucci he actually Sharted. They made it out as if he poopt his pant in the official story but in reality it was a Shart. I was shocked when I originally heard that a guy poopt his pant but was let down to realize that they dramatized the reports. Sadly it was only a Shart. 😕
@@edisongirard yeah but you said practical looks fake, and sometimes it does, but there are some awesome practical fx that just looks crazy realistic or gruesome like some death scenes from 80s gore movies or monsters like the one from 'the Thing' (1984) for example
I could hear Zombie talk classic films all day long. Still patiently waiting for his new album, if its anywhere near as good as the last I'll be more than happy
Their discussion on practical effects vs. CGI is just one of the reasons why The Thing (1982) by John Carpenter is probably my favorite horror film ever. The Fly (1986) and Videodrome (1983) by David Carpenter also have some of my all-time favorite practical effects in film. I think they're right about the mind immediately/automatically recognizing CGI as fake. It's like the uncanny valley effect that's common in gaming.
I think that the slow burn style of horror films like the shining definitely can work in this day and age. Just look at films like the witch and hereditary. So much tension and atmosphere and paranoia that there's no real boring moments. There is chaos within the silence. Like the calm before the storm, you're just waiting for something to happen or for someone to snap. Those moments are what I love about good psychological horror. You know something's gonna happen, but you don't know when or what.
That and carpenters thing might be my favorite 80s horror flicks. (Though american werewolf was not a straight horror flick because it made me laugh at times).
I like what Rob says about perspective, and how these movies must've affected people back then. I always wish I was one of the people that saw the Exorcist when it first came out. It made such an impact on people, because there was nothing else like it at the time. People were emotionally scarred by it. I wish I could've experienced it from that perspective.
I think the reason why FX work (sometimes) holds up better than CGI is because it is tangible. As Rob points out at the end of the video, even though you know there isn't a real zombie, or monster in a scene, you know that there really was at least someone or something in that scene. It's why the muppets still work despite being puppets. You knowing there is a real, tactile object helps suspend your disbelief.
I agree. There some great films that can be a slow burn but it feels like it flies by because the atmosphere has so much tension. There's so much happening within the silence. Like the shining and even newer films like the witch and hereditary.
I always love that when I showed these early films to my nephew aged four and five he always got them and had empathy for Kong, Frankenstein and The Creature From The Black Lagoon. The humans were always the bad guys and the so called monsters the victims.
Im 52 and I can still remember where I was sitting in the theater when I saw Star Wars at 11 years old. the first ships that went across the screen had me looking around the theater like, what the hell is this?!
The guy getting chased through the subway in an American werewolf in London was brutal as a little kid, you barely saw the werewolf but you knew the poor guy was toast! " run sir run " 🐺🕺🦔AAAHH
Great scene....no music just the guy running alone in the subway.... if you watch closely when he jumps on the escalator it looks like he mangles his ankle pretty good before the werewolf shreds him
Yeh and the couple who go round the back to scare their friends, pretty much every death scene was awesome, jacks too on the moor. The moor bit scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂
James Bellflower Yeh when the policeman goes in the cinema and see it eating someone, the whole movie was a classic. The dreams David had, jackk coming back with David’s victims
The Shining, The Exorcist, and Alien - in that order - are the apex of horror cinema. The modern resurgence with Aster, Eggers, and even Peale is fun, but I don’t think anything modern could possibly compare to the artistry of someone like Kubrick, or even earlier powerhouses like Hitchcock and Romero
Very refreshing movie banter. I'm not a blood and guts guy, but the original Universal horror movies are superb. Theres a box set of 8 that's a must have for the era. Truly appreciated the cgi vs man made talk, and how the mind reacts. Rob Zombie mtv cribs will showcase all of the posters he's talkin' about.
The Thing (1982) is my all time favorite horror movie! Fun fact: The actors who played the characters in that movie did not see the creature effects until they started shooting. So they're looks of disgust and shock are actually genuine from the actors. Some even said that the effects were so grotesque, they made them sick to their stomachs.
"The Thing" is one of my all time favorites and that's coming from a huge Horror movie collector. I was so very surprised much later to find out that this movie didn't do well in the theaters. I re-watch it about once every year.
It's just impossible to create the same effect with CGI, physical make up and props are better even after 40 freaking years. Same goes for the fly and the evil dead.
On the subject of amazing practical FX, Ridley Scott's Legend NEVER gets the respect that it deserves. That movie STILL looks amazing to this day. The make up they put on Tim Curry alone was epic!
Agreed 110%! I was blown away by it when I was a kid watching it in the theater and I can still get swept up in the beauty of that film decades later. Tim Curry as the Lord of Darkness pretty much owned that movie. He even had a strange sort of sex appeal which is damned hard to pull off with all that make-up.
I always forget that Ridley Scott directed Legend. I guess that's probably because the first two things that pop into my mind when I think of the movie are Tim Curry's excellent performance and Tom Cruise with his messed up teeth prior to his fame and Scientology.
I am glad you two men discussed a classic, German horror film that is Nosferatu. Nosferatu was an inspiration and today, it is. It's a silent film that revolutionized the cinema when it comes to film-making and quality. You can say about A Trip to the Moon, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and Metropolis all you want, but Nosferatu, in my view, is and was a game-changer.
I grew up on old movies, courtesy of my film buff dad. Old horror movies are cool and have this gothic feel to them. The invisible man is one of my favorite movies.
old horror movies are awesome, particularly Karloff and Lugosi, for instance in The black Cat, what a trip that movie is, way ahead of its time. The visuals were unforgettable, the house and the bizarre Karloff costume
"THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE MONSTER?" That can be said about many things we fear to face in our lives. Usually the reality is no where near our imagination.
Star Wars was a WTF moment for me leaving the theatre so was Jaws, and I agree life took a slight turn in 1977 for me being a 12 year old. A very strong memory pretty frigging awesome though I was very much blown away.
First flick I saw in the theater was Return of the Jedi. I was three, and yes it changed my life. Been a huge fan since. Second was E.T. That flick also still holds up. Got to see it in theaters a few years ago for the 35th anniversary, and it did not disappoint.
Such a GREAT CONVERSATION. They really elaborated on the historical predictions and the PRACTICAL EFFECTS back then that are LEGENDARY. Its good to know they are still people out there who APPRECIATE the joys of what it takes to make good movies and great effects. Thats why older movies will ALWAYS trumph over anything modern in most cases.....because it was BELIEVABLE and NATURAL. THANKS FOR SHARING
I didn't know much about Rob Zombie, other than some of his music that I like, but he's really chill and smart. Thank you both for a great interview :)
Imagine having Joe Rogan as a dad. You grow up living the millionaire good life, get educated on every aspect of life, best advice, and later on you can do all the trippy drugs you want, and he'd be tripping with you
When they talk intensity of watching scenes for the first time and Rob mentions Frankenstein killing fritz, I think of the scene with Otis and the sheriff with the overhead view pause scene. That scene rocked my world forever ago and ill never forget that feeling.
Lugosi's the man, Karloffs the man but I've aways been a big fan of Lon Chaney Jr. The way he portrays this tragic character so well is intense it really makes it easy to sympathize with his character Lawrence Talbot!
Honestly the CGI sucks/ruining movies bit is ignorant hyperbole. It really depends on studio/production/execution. There are plenty of flicks with amazing CG that you wouldn't ever even know was CG unless it was pointed out. Subtle little things here and there, I'm not talking about big, spectacle type CG. That can go both ways, tbh.
Rip RARBG, that place got me all the classics in 1080p and a TON of them in 4k. Thanks to all the people that put together 4k77 and the sequels in their proper og format.
dios bananos Sure. However, that’s not what I was commenting on. They were discussing how he delivered the dialogue, and he spoke deliberately, like they were discussing, because he couldn’t speak English.
Omg right before Rob mentioned the first appearance of Karloff in Frankenstein I was saying how chilling that still is and then he mentions it. Everything about it is so great between the makeup, the zoom and also Karloff taking out his bridgework really added to that sunken in, decaying look
@london irish businessman & comedian William Hinds was the founder of the original company, he used a stage name Will Hammer as he was a resident of Hammersmith.
but why did it suck, thats whats so odd about it, its really bram stokers dracula, but instead of rule, it kind of sucked. but thats what the real story was like, apparently.
It doesn't mean anything. The purpose of an adaptation is to adapt something for another media, not just copy it. What's the point to watch a movie that is just a book but animated ?
It's all about execution. Yeah, DeNiro's version is closer to the book, and personally it's my favorite version, but Kenneth Branagh's performance as Victor Frankenstein can get annoying at times with his energetic over exposition. The film still also took a few liberties from book too.
@@raymondortiz085 old Lloyd Kaufman Troma flick. Pretty much a superhero satire. (James Gunn actually got his start with Kaufman/Troma) It's decent for what it is, if you like Roger Corman type crap flicks. I'd recommend it to dedicated film nerds, but no one else.
I wanna see Joe in Rob's next movie, whatever it is...love watching these two talk, finally someone interviewing Rob that gets him! you can tell Rob appreciates it
Rileyb reals to be fair, I didn’t hate what he did. It just didn’t need to be Halloween, it could’ve been about a new killer. But of course it wouldn’t have made so much money, so there’s that.
It's so true. My mother was terrified of Jaws and Halloween when she was a teen. She showed those movies to me and my brother when we were pretty young and we just laughed our asses off. Times certainly change.
Lon Chaney use to travel with his own makeup kit everywhere he went. He was a genius. Inventing all of these terrifying monsters from scratch on stage, nicolodians, shorts. He traveled everywhere on his own dime. People respected him greatly
(Paraphrased): "CGI is a tool that's turned into a crutch." Nailed it.
erinbickler cgi is definitely not lazy, takes hours and hours to make those effects it’s just not used well all the time
more like a wheelchair and a feeding tube...
People complaining about CGI are just boomers yearning for nostalgia.The world is our oyster with CGI,almost anything can be created.Give it another decade or 2 time and it'll be indistinguishable from live action.
@@deansandrice4853 You may be right in a decade or 2, but now it looks about as realistic as the animation in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, hence the rampant disgust.
@@deansandrice4853 I'm Gen X. Taking a great story line and adding CGI ruins so many promising horror movies. Sinister and The Grudge immediately come to mind. That's why Ju On: The Grudge will always be the better movie. Hell, the claymation in the original IT is more impressive than the CGI in most movies from the 2000's to present date.
I want to see Bruce Campbell on the Joe Rogan podcast!
Hell yeah! Ash & his boomstick on Rogan would be groovy
With Rob zombie there too
I respect Autolycus too much to see him here Yuk
Hell yeah and maybe mike bishop from GWAR
FAX
this is the most just chill and watchable guest in a long time
dude i 100% agree. i dont even fuck with rob zombie like that but this was a great one.
121bham are you kidding me ? Neil kept interrupting joe every time it was annoying as fuck this is just two guys talking and having fun not debating and interrupting
121bham lol. Good one
r/whoosh
Yes I was thinking the same
The Thing ('82), Exorcist, Dawn of the Dead ('78), were films that are absolute gold when it comes to horror, effects & makeup. Can't talk about makeup & effects without mentioning Tom Savini.
After The EXORCIST they should have stopped making Horror. That Movie is the most disturbing movie ever made.Period.
Except all of Rob's movies! They're horrible and boring.
Ted Ryan have you watched any of his films? He’s one of the few real horror guys left, he actually gets the genre
Rob Bottin (spelling) did The Things special effects. Much better FX artist
The exorcist and Dawn of the dead had me screwed up for a long time , Loved it
I wish JRE had more guests like this, love the movie talk. Joe wanting to be a movie make up artist is a dope thing I wouldn’t have expected
He also said he wanted to draw comics, but doesn't ever know anything beyond general knowledge, so it's hard to tell with him sometimes.
Man I could listen to Rob Zombie talk about horror movies all day long. He really knows his shit and is a real horror movie fan.
Surprisingly, so does Joe.
People wouldn't expect it but Rob is an intelligent dude and very interesting. I feel like I could talk horror with him all day
It's a mystery how his movies are so lame though >_
Ironic considering the movies he makes are not that good. But yes he does at least have appreciation for classics and history of horror
@@CleverGirlAAH Not true at all
Watching lots of old horror movies because it's the season, and it's fun to hear them talk all that stuff. Rob is very knowledgable and passionate about those.
I could literally listen to this kind of conversation all day.
Crowley 🤘🤘🤘
I was about to go to bed. Now I gotta watch rob zombie podcast
I know, right? I'm exhausted 😴 and I was juuusst about to go to bed, and then I saw this video. Damn it Rob Zombie.... 😒 I have to get up an be reasonably functional in about 5 hours, so I really SHOULD be in bed now, but no. I'm gonna be watching UA-cam instead. Thanks a lot Mr. Zombie.... 🤨
Same here :-). All ready to turn in and then see this one come up on top of my screen. Damn!!!!:-) LOL
Rob by himself? Eh. The two together? Timeless
I'm glad I'm not the only one, and I have to be up in 4 hours, but it's fucking Rob Zombie
Erica and Aiden. Exactly same here....tired af....but now I can't sleep, have to listen to this. Damnit. Losing precious sleep. Rob Zombie is turning me into..........a zombie.
I could listen to Rob Zombie talk about monster movies for hours. You can tell he's really passionate about this stuff and I love it.
THE THING, was a great movie
The original gave me nightmares as a kid. The remake gave me nightmares as an adult.
Yeah. And it actually nails that Lovecraftian horror theme of having an antagonist that was unknowable and virtually impossible to beat. Even at the end it wasn’t clear if the Thing was dead or not.
One of my favorites, the prequel was also good
Anything by John Carpenter is worth a watch. Hands down my second or third favorite director, miss work like his so much.
Agreed!! Great movie ... Really weird as well
The biggest example of cgi gone all fucked up are the Jurassic park movies. How is it that the original Jurassic park looks more believable than the new ones
Yeah Spielberg knew how to frame scenes so that the CGI effects looked as good as possible, especially when combined with all the great practical makeup and animatronics. Modern movies use CGI as a go-to resource when it really should be the last resort to make a scene work.
@@CarloisBuriedAlive agreed!! I always feel the real reason old movies were scary is because they are real! Real person or machine coming at you!
Agree on 100%. And the stories in the new ones suck. Those movies just don't have any kind of appeal somehow. Just a CGI commercial wankfest.
I’ve always believed this. The original had animatronics and CGI I think that’s why
Recent CGI is usually animated really badly so it's not the actual visuals/details (although the lighting is also bad and jarring) but more the fact that the animals etc. Are overly animated and unnatural. It doesn't give a feeling or sense of weight. Jurassic Park (1993) textures admittedly look dated now but it's the animation and cinematography thats top notch and ultimately makes it more believable than Jurassic World.
Rob Zombie knows about “Starship Troopers”. He just didn’t want to talk about it. It’s awesome how he controls the interview. A strong personality.
My older cousin was a horror movie collector and showed us some crazy vintage horror flicks growing up. House, Black Sabbath, the 70's zombie movies, foreign gore movies. That era of movies cannot be topped IMO.
Nothing beats old school horror. Bela Lugosi, Lan Chaney, Boris Karloff & I think Vincent Price is my all time favorite. So many great Price movies. I especially love The Abominable Dr Phibes & his series of Edgar Allen Poe films with Roger Corman.
*”PIT &THE PENDULUM”*
I just watched house on haunted hill last night and it was incredible
Yes you’ve listed the dream team right there, with both Lon Chaney and his son too. You should check out the movies where Karloff and Legosi star together. It’s a treat watching them perform against one another
I just got the Universal horror collection 30 classic horror movies. All the Dracula, Mummy, Frankenstein, creature, invisible man and Wolf man movies been slowly watching my way through um and loving every moment of it. Wish they made movies this good nowadays.
Bella Lugosi got burried in his dracula outfit, look it up. it wasnt just a character for him.
Horror Kingpin It was the cape and I thought that decision was made for him after he died
He also would answer his door on hollween high as f and dressed as Dracula scaring the shit out of the kids.
It's just crazy to me how a lot of people only know him for that one role, because he was a really gifted actor. He stole Son Of Frankenstein as Ygor, probably the best performance in any of those old monster movies, and elevated Ghost Of Frankenstein with that same character. Black Cat, The Raven, White Zombie, Island Of Lost Souls, Mark Of The Vampire, etc. He was in like 100 movies but most of the time they just didn't know how to utilize him.
vanilla Gorilla that’s funny asf
@@jerrygodeep4787 watch the movie Ed wood Martin landau won the academy award for his roll as him.
Great conversation about cinema which is rare on Rogan, love it !
MrTruboy Clearly he knows more than nothing
@MrTruboy he's trying really hard on this one
Cringing listening to Joe sound like such a horror-movie poser.
'The Last Man On Earth' with Vincent Price is one of all my all time favorites.
That's my favorite Price movie
My mom told me she saw the original Frankenstein when it came out in 1931, she was 13, and it traumatized her for years…just really freaked her out.
Halloween 78, Nightmare on elm street 1 & Friday the 13th pt 4 are forever some of the best horror movies of all time.
Clive Barker's *Hellraiser* was absolutely awesome and it gave that sense of dread because the characters were real/in the flesh. Especially the way "Frank" was reconstituting his flesh.😲😁
Id like to argue that Frank and the wife were the real monsters in that; not pinhead. Really frank feeds on humans and pinhead feeds on frank. Human(innocent) beats pinhead.
hex warp from what I gather from the original movie is that ‘pinhead’ and the cenobites are really quite neutral and don’t really pass judgement on what is ‘good’ and ‘evil’ like a hero or villain is. They’re simply scions of the world they’re from. Of pain equaling pleasure. To them, they have no understanding of doling out punishment as retribution, simply as a function. If you seek out the configuration, you must have some sense of knowing what you’re doing. Don’t come to the party if you’re not ready to dance (so to speak)
The only thing bad with those movies was the special effects. The core and the acting. So awesome. Sense of dread and hopelessness and selfishness.
I would add that Hellraiser probably has the best horror film score of all time.
The edge of Hellraise was that the bad guy was a mere human, not the Cenobites/Priest (aka Pinhead). Same goes for Night Breed which is my personal favorite. The Director's Cut would be perfect were it not for that god awful singing performance during the LSD scene.
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I remember even being scared of the monsters in Abbot & Costello Meet Frankenstein 😂
Im glad Joe is showing his kids old movies to see where all this new shit came from and the progression. That's how I got hooked on horror is from my dad showing me old horrors and other old movies.
I’ve read people screamed and fainted during that original unmasking in Phantom of the Opera.
Supposedly one guy poopt his pant
Michael Cauterucci he actually Sharted.
They made it out as if he poopt his pant in the official story but in reality it was a Shart.
I was shocked when I originally heard that a guy poopt his pant but was let down to realize that they dramatized the reports. Sadly it was only a Shart. 😕
@@MC_1993 supposedly
@@TheRealLiquidTrip😂🤣😄 I really needed a good hard laugh. Thank you for that comment. Bless your Heart. I have had one of those weeks. 👍
HiDesert004 wow it’s crazy if we put ourselves in that time I’m sure shit was too scary worse than anything we can see because we’ve seen it all
Rob Zombie and Joe Rogan, hell yeah!
My same reaction
'Practical FX look fake, but feel real.
Good digital FX look real, but feel fake.'
I'll be using this analogy, thank you. Best ever worded
Do you think the practical special effects on the original jurassic park looks fake?
@@cajonbru Jurassic Park set an exceptionally high bar for both practical and digital FX. it set a new standard for digital, once since surpassed.
@@edisongirard yeah but you said practical looks fake, and sometimes it does, but there are some awesome practical fx that just looks crazy realistic or gruesome like some death scenes from 80s gore movies or monsters like the one from 'the Thing' (1984) for example
@@cajonbru of course I am generalizing. there are some crazy real looking practical fx out there. they've gotten better at it.
1933 King Kong is one of the best movies of all time.
Agree 100%
Loved that as a kid. Was on at Thanksgiving every year.
I could hear Zombie talk classic films all day long.
Still patiently waiting for his new album, if its anywhere near as good as the last I'll be more than happy
I saw Barry Lyndon for the first time a few months ago and was mesmerized.
It makes a great double feature with "The Duellists" (1977)
I remember my parents going to see that in the theater. The cinematography & music alone make me love it. Sad though.
I could listen to people talk about old school horror for hours.
Yes classic horror is a great topic
A great conversation! Rob Zombie really knows movies. I really enjoyed listening to this.
7:20 I love how no reference is made to the Klaus Kinksi patch on Rob's sleeve while he is talking about Klaus Kinski in Herzog's Nosferatu.
Their discussion on practical effects vs. CGI is just one of the reasons why The Thing (1982) by John Carpenter is probably my favorite horror film ever. The Fly (1986) and Videodrome (1983) by David Carpenter also have some of my all-time favorite practical effects in film.
I think they're right about the mind immediately/automatically recognizing CGI as fake. It's like the uncanny valley effect that's common in gaming.
I think that the slow burn style of horror films like the shining definitely can work in this day and age. Just look at films like the witch and hereditary. So much tension and atmosphere and paranoia that there's no real boring moments. There is chaos within the silence. Like the calm before the storm, you're just waiting for something to happen or for someone to snap. Those moments are what I love about good psychological horror. You know something's gonna happen, but you don't know when or what.
Maybe Rob hasn’t seen much of the recent horror films like those. But I can be speculating.
@adamshows1142 i bet he has seen all the horror movies
American werewolf in London scared the Shit out of me as a kid. Love that movie
The Nazi skeleton shock troops interrupting The Muppet Show scared the hell out of me. 😨
Yeah the scene where it’s following him up the escalator in the subway
The special effects are still incredibly remarkable to this day, same with Carpenters The Thing
That and carpenters thing might be my favorite 80s horror flicks. (Though american werewolf was not a straight horror flick because it made me laugh at times).
That's a really good movie. I really enjoyed it as well.
I like what Rob says about perspective, and how these movies must've affected people back then. I always wish I was one of the people that saw the Exorcist when it first came out. It made such an impact on people, because there was nothing else like it at the time. People were emotionally scarred by it. I wish I could've experienced it from that perspective.
My Mom was scared to have me because of Rosemary's Baby haha.
@@BootlegFightVideo that movie is such a buzzkill. 😅
I think the reason why FX work (sometimes) holds up better than CGI is because it is tangible. As Rob points out at the end of the video, even though you know there isn't a real zombie, or monster in a scene, you know that there really was at least someone or something in that scene. It's why the muppets still work despite being puppets. You knowing there is a real, tactile object helps suspend your disbelief.
The Shining just flies by for me everytime I watch it
Yeah that’s my top horror movie of all time!
@@jwprimetime9795 Good choice :)
Like Spielberg said, Kubrick found the ”fail safe button”. You stay glued to his films even after seeing them multiple times
I agree. There some great films that can be a slow burn but it feels like it flies by because the atmosphere has so much tension. There's so much happening within the silence. Like the shining and even newer films like the witch and hereditary.
Nice
Lugosi played Dracula on stage for years before the movie. He WAS Dracula.
King Kong was the 1st movie to make me cry. Empathy for Kong, not fear.
I always love that when I showed these early films to my nephew aged four and five he always got them and had empathy for Kong, Frankenstein and The Creature From The Black Lagoon. The humans were always the bad guys and the so called monsters the victims.
Im 52 and I can still remember where I was sitting in the theater when I saw Star Wars at 11 years old. the first ships that went across the screen had me looking around the theater like, what the hell is this?!
Rob Zombie’s actually a really dope dude.
This is my jam right here. I could listen to Joe and Rob talk horror movies all day.
The guy getting chased through the subway in an American werewolf in London was brutal as a little kid, you barely saw the werewolf but you knew the poor guy was toast! " run sir run " 🐺🕺🦔AAAHH
Great scene....no music just the guy running alone in the subway.... if you watch closely when he jumps on the escalator it looks like he mangles his ankle pretty good before the werewolf shreds him
That guy played Jabba the Hutt's manservant Bib Fortuna in Return of the Jedi a few years later.
Yeh and the couple who go round the back to scare their friends, pretty much every death scene was awesome, jacks too on the moor. The moor bit scared the shit out of me as a kid 😂
That was one of my favorite parts of that movie. The transformation and of course the end with the wolf running amok in London being the other two.
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Yeh when the policeman goes in the cinema and see it eating someone, the whole movie was a classic. The dreams David had, jackk coming back with David’s victims
Rob is so normal and cool and has real love for the Golden Age of horror, like myself .
The Shining, The Exorcist, and Alien - in that order - are the apex of horror cinema. The modern resurgence with Aster, Eggers, and even Peale is fun, but I don’t think anything modern could possibly compare to the artistry of someone like Kubrick, or even earlier powerhouses like Hitchcock and Romero
Texas chainsaw massacre 74 is The greatest
The Thing and American Werewolf in London and the Omen series… food for thought
Very refreshing movie banter. I'm not a blood and guts guy, but the original Universal horror movies are superb. Theres a box set of 8 that's a must have for the era. Truly appreciated the cgi vs man made talk, and how the mind reacts. Rob Zombie mtv cribs will showcase all of the posters he's talkin' about.
The Thing (1982) is my all time favorite horror movie! Fun fact: The actors who played the characters in that movie did not see the creature effects until they started shooting. So they're looks of disgust and shock are actually genuine from the actors. Some even said that the effects were so grotesque, they made them sick to their stomachs.
Its one of my favourates too cause i like setting aswell in antartica but they still have quite a nice setup a bar and pool table and stuff
"The Thing" is one of my all time favorites and that's coming from a huge Horror movie collector. I was so very surprised much later to find out that this movie didn't do well in the theaters. I re-watch it about once every year.
It's just impossible to create the same effect with CGI, physical make up and props are better even after 40 freaking years. Same goes for the fly and the evil dead.
On the subject of amazing practical FX, Ridley Scott's Legend NEVER gets the respect that it deserves. That movie STILL looks amazing to this day. The make up they put on Tim Curry alone was epic!
Barbarian Libertarian Legend was a great movie. Beautiful to watch, the scenery was magical. One of my favorites.
Agreed 110%! I was blown away by it when I was a kid watching it in the theater and I can still get swept up in the beauty of that film decades later. Tim Curry as the Lord of Darkness pretty much owned that movie. He even had a strange sort of sex appeal which is damned hard to pull off with all that make-up.
I always forget that Ridley Scott directed Legend. I guess that's probably because the first two things that pop into my mind when I think of the movie are Tim Curry's excellent performance and Tom Cruise with his messed up teeth prior to his fame and Scientology.
I am glad you two men discussed a classic, German horror film that is Nosferatu. Nosferatu was an inspiration and today, it is. It's a silent film that revolutionized the cinema when it comes to film-making and quality. You can say about A Trip to the Moon, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and Metropolis all you want, but Nosferatu, in my view, is and was a game-changer.
O yeah it's awsome
I grew up on old movies, courtesy of my film buff dad. Old horror movies are cool and have this gothic feel to them. The invisible man is one of my favorite movies.
Loved it , Joe is getting some awesome guests , Rick Baker next , can't wait .
I'd love to talk movies with Rob Zombie! He seems so awesome about horror movies.
I never realized how cool and relaxed rob is
The 80’s was the last great horror decade after that everything turned into slashers and jump scares
Rob Zombie really needs to be given the chance to reboot the League of Extrodary Gentlemen or a film much like it with classic horror icons
They gave him the opportunity to remake The Munsters and sh!t the bed
Nah, hell just cast his wife to play everyone in the film
I never expected Rogan would know so much about horror movies. Just goes to show you can’t judge people based on who they appear to be
Joe „I wanted to be a make-up artist“ Rogan
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😆 That’s the best & now my favorite!
I feel bad that I lol'd so hard on my own comment, while writing this.
Honorable mention:
"Young Frankenstein"
by Mel Brooks.
What a hoot!
*Richard* 🍀
Dura Saxon why are you signing off on your comments 😂😂😂
Dude, I love mel Brooks man. Blazing saddles and young Frankenstein are my faves. Along with history of the world.
old horror movies are awesome, particularly Karloff and Lugosi, for instance in The black Cat, what a trip that movie is, way ahead of its time. The visuals were unforgettable, the house and the bizarre Karloff costume
The Bauhaus architecture is such a key feature.
Karloff's entrance in the 1931 Frankenstein is still chilling
"THAT'S IT? THAT'S THE MONSTER?" That can be said about many things we fear to face in our lives. Usually the reality is no where near our imagination.
Star Wars was a WTF moment for me leaving the theatre so was Jaws, and I agree life took a slight turn in 1977 for me being a 12 year old. A very strong memory pretty frigging
awesome though I was very much blown away.
First flick I saw in the theater was Return of the Jedi. I was three, and yes it changed my life. Been a huge fan since.
Second was E.T. That flick also still holds up. Got to see it in theaters a few years ago for the 35th anniversary, and it did not disappoint.
Black Sunday, 1960, still freaks me out. Barbara Steele still scares the heck out of me.
I'd has seen bits and pieces of original films but my first real intro to Dracula and Wolf Man and such was via Abbot and Costello.
Such a GREAT CONVERSATION. They really elaborated on the historical predictions and the PRACTICAL EFFECTS back then that are LEGENDARY. Its good to know they are still people out there who APPRECIATE the joys of what it takes to make good movies and great effects. Thats why older movies will ALWAYS trumph over anything modern in most cases.....because it was BELIEVABLE and NATURAL. THANKS FOR SHARING
I didn't know much about Rob Zombie, other than some of his music that I like, but he's really chill and smart. Thank you both for a great interview :)
Imagine having Joe Rogan as a dad.
You grow up living the millionaire good life, get educated on every aspect of life, best advice, and later on you can do all the trippy drugs you want, and he'd be tripping with you
Take it from me. Doing drugs with ur dad is not always the best route.
James Bellflower fair point man, wasen't being too serious about it
@@andlidearmadta9680 I know. Not trying to bust your balls just yeah that is a bit of a sore subject for me. Wasted alot of years with that shit.
@@jbellflower83 depends on the dad I guess..
@@jbellflower83 lol
When they talk intensity of watching scenes for the first time and Rob mentions Frankenstein killing fritz, I think of the scene with Otis and the sheriff with the overhead view pause scene. That scene rocked my world forever ago and ill never forget that feeling.
I love horror movies that keep the monster mostly hidden for majority of the film. It builds anticipation to seeing it fully later in the film.
Island of Lost Souls, Mad Love, and The Black Cat are 3 amazingly weird Pre-Code horror films.
Lugosi's the man, Karloffs the man but I've aways been a big fan of Lon Chaney Jr. The way he portrays this tragic character so well is intense it really makes it easy to sympathize with his character Lawrence Talbot!
The March film is tremendous. He was a great actor!
Not one mention of Tom Savini?
Doomreb Or Ray Harryhausen
@@jamesc8259 Oh another good one! Big time.
Or rick baker
Tom Savini is overrated. His effects always looked cheap and rubbery with way too much fake blood.
I think some films have really good CGI that looks real.
Ex Machina, with a one scene exception, has very good CGI.
But I agree that CGI is over used.
Ex Machina is a fantastic movie.
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One of my favorites. Up there with Alien. Coincidentally they also mentioned it in this clip as well.
Joe brings that movie up all the time
Honestly the CGI sucks/ruining movies bit is ignorant hyperbole. It really depends on studio/production/execution. There are plenty of flicks with amazing CG that you wouldn't ever even know was CG unless it was pointed out. Subtle little things here and there, I'm not talking about big, spectacle type CG. That can go both ways, tbh.
Which scene?
Rip RARBG, that place got me all the classics in 1080p and a TON of them in 4k. Thanks to all the people that put together 4k77 and the sequels in their proper og format.
'Tales From the Crypt' (1972).... the most eerie film of all time..
Lugosi spoke phonetically in Dracula because he couldn't speak English. It wasn't intentional.
Yes, but he knew how to play it.
dios bananos Sure. However, that’s not what I was commenting on. They were discussing how he delivered the dialogue, and he spoke deliberately, like they were discussing, because he couldn’t speak English.
@@JimBaLimBus PULL THE STRING
James Donnelly He could not speak English when Dracula was made. He did learn it over time. Nice try though! 🤙
James Donnelly good ol’ Google and it’s contradictory information. 🤦♂️ Have a good one.
THE ORIGINAL NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, 1968 ---- ONE OF THE BEST SCARY MOVIES EVER.
Romero is severely underrated in modern-day cinema speak
I’m so in-line with Rob’s opinions on old Hollywood horror! I’m a classic Hollywood and horror film fan as well. I just love it!
Omg right before Rob mentioned the first appearance of Karloff in Frankenstein I was saying how chilling that still is and then he mentions it. Everything about it is so great between the makeup, the zoom and also Karloff taking out his bridgework really added to that sunken in, decaying look
I would have liked to have heard his thoughts on Hammer Horror studios and their amazing films.
Christopher Lee is horror
I still dream of a reality where Captain Kronos became a series.
@@jstratton1981 The plan was to run it as a franchise (and The 7 Golden Vampires too) but Hammer hit financial problems and went into demise.
@london irish businessman & comedian William Hinds was the founder of the original company, he used a stage name Will Hammer as he was a resident of Hammersmith.
Isn’t rob a massive hammer fan?
That Frankenstein remake with DeNiro was closer to the book tho.
but why did it suck, thats whats so odd about it, its really bram stokers dracula, but instead of rule, it kind of sucked. but thats what the real story was like, apparently.
It doesn't mean anything. The purpose of an adaptation is to adapt something for another media, not just copy it. What's the point to watch a movie that is just a book but animated ?
What? Cuz great books have been turned into movies. Joel an Ethan cole literally typed the exact words from no country from old men
It's all about execution. Yeah, DeNiro's version is closer to the book, and personally it's my favorite version, but Kenneth Branagh's performance as Victor Frankenstein can get annoying at times with his energetic over exposition. The film still also took a few liberties from book too.
Hammer’s the curse of frankenstein is great
Love this discussion! As for seeing the original Star Wars as a kid in theaters, I stopped counting after 80 times in the early eighties! LOL!
This is defenitly a good topic. Old horror is better than modern horror
If he didn't say starship troopers, I thought he was going with the fifth Element. Both are solid films. Love Rob zombie btw!!
Thought he was going to say Toxic Avenger.
@@BootlegFightVideo never heard of toxic avenger. How old is the film ? Would you recommend it ?
@@raymondortiz085 It was low B movie quality from a studio famous for cheap schlock. They made Cannibal The Musical from Trey Parker.
@@raymondortiz085 old Lloyd Kaufman Troma flick. Pretty much a superhero satire. (James Gunn actually got his start with Kaufman/Troma) It's decent for what it is, if you like Roger Corman type crap flicks. I'd recommend it to dedicated film nerds, but no one else.
I wanna see Joe in Rob's next movie, whatever it is...love watching these two talk, finally someone interviewing Rob that gets him! you can tell Rob appreciates it
Always interesting, that’s crazy I never get bored watching Joe and his guests.
I too am a huge fan of practical SFX. And Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was a great remake.
“They got it so right the first time.” Kinda like Halloween, ey Rob?
he ruined Halloween and then gave it aids, no one wants to touch it ever again.
@@theduke6399 There's two more halloweens coming out, what do you mean?
@@Seph_vision u seem to have aids....
@@theduke6399 no but you're in a coma
Rileyb reals to be fair, I didn’t hate what he did. It just didn’t need to be Halloween, it could’ve been about a new killer. But of course it wouldn’t have made so much money, so there’s that.
Joe Rogan and Rob Zombie are doing a podcast together. I honestly never thought I'd see this day but goddamn I'm glad I'm here.
I love to see the passion in their face, and hear it in their voices when they talk about these movies. The new Siskel & Ebert.
I grew up watching these old films. They scared the shit out of me just fine in the 70's.
This should of happened a long time ago. A genuine cool ass chill fkn dude. Rob Z is the GOAT
It's so true. My mother was terrified of Jaws and Halloween when she was a teen. She showed those movies to me and my brother when we were pretty young and we just laughed our asses off. Times certainly change.
Lon Chaney use to travel with his own makeup kit everywhere he went. He was a genius. Inventing all of these terrifying monsters from scratch on stage, nicolodians, shorts. He traveled everywhere on his own dime. People respected him greatly
honestly love and surprised at how articulate Rob is. i would’ve never guessed it but i respect this man even more!
I'm tripping out, watching this as The Wolf Man is on TV on this awesome Channel called Retroplex.
Id pay to watch you and Rob watch Starship Troopers haha. Such an underrated movie.
Can’t beat the classics man!
Great Interview. Thanks!
Who framed Roger Rabbit did the special effects well, Bob Hoskins was talking to those cartoons 😂