Her: "I'm actually a Christian" Jeff: "No Ma'am you're not" LOL. Really respect the self control exercised here by Jeff, one of the hardest things to do (which I fall short in) is remaining calm when someone is shouting at you aggressively. The instinct of the flesh is to match shouting with shouting, to match aggression with aggression.
its more than that.. its the act of one exercising their will over your will.. their truth over your truth.. the root of all sin is pride.. and we all want to at times, to exercise our will over the will of others.. the life of a Christian isn't to exercise our will over another but to allow the Holy Spirit to breathe Truth to another and let His will be done. Hope that makes sense..on the flesh level, I AGREE.. but in the Spiritual realm where all Truth lies, this is where it all makes sense to me.
My sister was raped and had a baby she never thought that baby girl was a bad thing she believed it was a blessing even due to the circumstances of how the baby was conceived..
Even if they abort the baby its not like all the trauma will go away. Might as well use your pain and help others. Who knows that child could grow up to change a lot of people's lives
@@Apersonintheworldtoday "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." That's your God speaking through Hosea 13:16
"A developing human from..." "A developing what?" "Human." "Oh, so it's a what now?.. It's a what?" "It doesn't have the same rights..." "It's a developing what?" "... Shut up." LOL
Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves." Just because your faith is weak the whole of the word does not sit well with your stomach. Dwell on that. The Lord is fine with killing the children of ones enemies.
@@thedruid1151 that's because numbers 25 curse Came Upon the people because of what the moabites did amongst Israelites they did not want the plague upon them again
I saw that too - she was trembling the entire time. I have a feeling this is what people on Judgement Day will look like when before the great white throne; shaking with equal parts fear and rage while denouncing their Maker to His face.
maybe so, but note the wording on her sign. Jeffy boy didn't - at any point - DENY that he was in favor of putting women who get abortions on death row. What does that tell you?
@@wylier Sure, but since Jeff is Christian, we have reason to believe that Jeff would give grace, too. It would be wrong to implement that kind of legislation with a death penalty as punishment tomorrow, for example. Kind of like how if we suddenly banned guns in the US, it would take some time to collect the arms from law-abiding citizens, and it would be wrong to throw these citizens in jail for possession while they were in the midst of surrendering their rifles and stuff. I think Jeff is promoting the idea that in a just society, abortion would be recognized as evil as someone unrepentantly killing a three year old. You wouldn't let those kinds of monsters walk around freely, so if abortion was rightfully recognized in our society as the murder of children, women who were pro-abortion would end up with the same sentence as other child-killers. Jeff is fighting for that kind of society, but there's a laundry list of things to do before we as a society can rightly and truly arrive there.
@@toniduval4350 all it would take would be a national statute against abortion. There's not enough support for that to be a likely scenario, tho. Secondly, not all Christians are opposed to the death penalty.
I used to be pro-choice when I was much younger, but I never really looked into it too much. I just liked the idea of women having choice. The more and more I look into it as an adult the more ashamed I am of that view. The more I listen to debate, the more holes I see in the pro abortion side. The people opposing the pastor in his videos are almost ALL inconsistent, incoherent and almost always fall back onto chants or screams or name-calling. They just cannot answer his questions. His work is so good!! Bless his soul. I hope I get to meet him one day. I am a South African but I will be in USA this August. Really looking forward to first world problems lol
I'm sorry to hear that you no longer believe women should be able to chose what happens to their body. Choice is freedom. Understand, pro choice is not pro abortion. I do not believe anyone should have an abortion. I've participated in an abortion of my child and I regret it every day. I regret it because I have two children and I realize I didn't give a life a chance. A pregnancy left alone and barring natural occurring events that can end a pregnancy, the pregnancy will produce a live. The thing is, in a free society, if one is to respect and advocate for the freedom of all, the only option is choice. If one disagrees with everything another believes is true, the only way the two can live together is rule of law and choice.
@@iancampbell1316 Of course, but then, the murderer must be made free to do whatever he pleases. I mean, some of these guys have serious mental issues. It's not their fault, so give them freedom to make the choice to kill. The main point is that abortion is murder, and as long as murder is outlawed in society, abortion must be too.
@@arunparolikkal4674 You may consider abortion murder from your religious moral stand point but abortion is not illegal and legally is not murder. Your argument ends there. We live in a system of laws. The Constitution of the US is the law of the land and the first amendment of the constitution insures freedom of and from religion so no laws can be passed for or against religion. In short, I have the freedom to not believe as you believe. Not acceptable to you? Well in a constitutional democratic republic you can act to change the law. You can run for office yourself. If you don't want to run, you can get together with like minded people, elect like minded people to office who will change the law as long as they are constitutional. We have laws that lay out what murder is. We even have different levels of murder. If a deviant murderous crazy person kills someone, there are law on the books to handle that. I'm curious, lets say the abortion laws are changed and abortion becomes murder, what should the punishment be? A fine? 20 years to life? Death? Who should get punished? The woman? The man? The one who performs the abortion at the man or woman's request? All involved? Will there be an agency established to monitor pregnancies and insure they go to term? Will a woman be required to report a pregnancy. What happens to the woman if she doesn't report the pregnancy? What if a woman has a miscarriage? Will she be subject to investigation after the loss of a wanted child? What will that investigation involve? An intrusive medical examination? Will there be mental health programs for women who are forced to carry a rapist baby to term? Will suicide prevention organizations be funded to handle the increase in depression? Who pays for the inevitable increase in foster care?
@@iancampbell1316 Well, first of all I don't live in america. News flash, the majority of the world's population doesn't. Secondly, this has nothing to do with religion. Abortion is the murder of an unborn human being. And abortion is illegal in so many parts of the world, including India, where I'm from. I'm not saying abortion should be legally equated with murder. I understand that abortions are very often done in situations where the mother is in a very difficult place. I used murder simply as an example of a crime that we all agree should be punished. As to who should get punished, that depends on the case. Sometimes the woman, sometimes the man, sometimes a person who forced the parents to abort their baby. Always the clinic that does the procedure. And while there are special provisions for murders with severe mental issues, any competent criminal psychologist will tell you that crime is usually the product of a disturbed mind. Of course, criminalising abortion isn't easy. Making it legal will go so much smoother. There are so many things that have to be addressed that cannot be possibly be summed up with a comment on UA-cam. But very often it takes a lot of work and figuring out to do a little good. It definitely doesn't need to be a black and white law. For example, in my country, there are provisions that allow women who were raped to have the baby aborted if it is under a certain stage of development.
‘Whether it’s a mother who kills her child in the womb or a mother who kills her five-year-old twins by drowning them in the bathtub, we would want it to be treated as a murder charge, and for that to be applied consistently under the law." - Jeff Durbin 👍👍
Unless it is a case like Andrea Yates where she had severe post partum psychosis and their nutbag of a pastor encouraged them not to use birth control and live in a camper.
@@jeaninepetty4923 I say let's put the Christian God on Trial for crimes against humanity. "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13:16 KJV
@@stevenkeller452 Would you point to the inconsistency in his argument? I fail to see it. (That is, assuming you considera the embryo/fetus is a human being).
@@avian1971 just so ignorant to turn this into a political issue. The woman is very uneducated on how to argue her side but Jeff Durbin pushing and leaning on Old Covenant laws is also wrong and shows how mislead he is. The abuse of God's Word here in America of some trying to force people to live by the old written law of Moses is sickening. We are under Grace through the freedom we have in Christ, not the bondage of the law.
@@kennethcadwell2124 so if someone breaks into your home tonight while you are sleeping and has his way with your wife and daughters and looks your son's are you going to say that it's alright, he's "under grace?" Haven't you read what Moses said to the Children of Israel after he reiterated the Law on Mount Pisgah? He called it Good and for Life and a Blessing! Are you suggesting that you have a better standard than what God himself had given us, upon which Jesus, our Lord, expounded?
Jeff Durbin, Is so eloquent in his communications, regardless of the intensity of the situation. So calm and collected. Much respect and love to this man of Elohim.
I love jeff, even if i dont agree with everything he believes, he is based in logic. Theses pro abortion liberals are so insane and dont even see how illogical their arguments are.
@@PanzerAce760 'logic' easily applies to the pro-choice side, tho - dont people desire freedom of choice, and bodily autonomy? Certainly the 1973 Supreme Court had that in mind when they made legal abortion the law of the land.
I would say _The_ Elohim, as the word "elohim" means spiritual being, and doesn't directly translate to God, though the word "God" is used appropriately in the scriptures for the most part, just not the context of when God takes counsel among the "gods" and such, it would be accurate to translate "gods" with a little ‘g’ as spiritual beings, or angelic beings 🤷🏻♂️. But you aren't wrong.
@@wylier One problem with that, a baby is not part of the mother's autonomy, or body. In fact, their body considers the Child to be an outside source, and if it weren't for the special place that children are within on the inside of the womb, the body would try and kill them. So good job, everything you said was a lie. Revelation 21:8 But the _fearful,_ and _unbelieving,_ and the _abominable,_ and _murderers,_ and _whoremongers,_ and _sorcerers,_ and _idolaters,_ and _all liars,_ shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Jesus told his disciples, the ones who were fishermen, "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men." I wonder what he actually meant by that. A fish is food. If you're fishing for men, is He stating, don't bother to work; I'll show you how to make a living without the need to labor? You don't need to worry about food when everyone thinks your a god send. Is that Christ true message? Live the easy life of a tv evangelist? He died on the cross so Peter Popoff and Joel Osteen could make millions?
@@algol291 that simply means he was using their type of work as an analogy to the apologists they would become, gathering people for him through his own empowering and guidance (follow me), by using something they could relate with and understand. No one is guaranteed an easy life because of that and people are even encouraged to work so that they don't become a burden to others and so they can help others in difficult situations as a community.
@algol291 Joel Osteen will be wishing he had repented when he's judged for his prosperity preaching, amassing riches while misleading his flock. Easy life? I challenge you to live so 'easily.' Jesus' directive was to basically preach the gospel and accumulate nothing for yourself. This is plainly read in Luke 10 vv3-5, but I encourage you to read further: 3"Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5But whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace to this house.'"
@Leo Nidas "Samaria has become guilty, for she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their infants shall be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women shall be ripped open." Hosea 14:1 That is you gods commands.
they need to call the men in the white coats to lock her up and throw away the key she has no clue what she's doing or talking about I bet this lady thinks that susan smith was innocent of drowning her kids that's proabaly her hero she probably thinks trump is god
@@staintedcards It's ironic you bring up Smith. I happen to live close to where that happened. I remember it well. She's currently in prison in a place near Greenwood.
This same verse should be applied to Jeff Durbin as he leans on the Old Covenant law which scripture teaches that anybody teaching the written law is required to be kept are false brethren.
@@kokonuttsarefun6472 yes it is because those who lean on the law as required to be kept are doing the same thing. They think their way is right when it's actually a false gospel they are walking by. Just see the Apostle Paul in Galatians. He calls those preaching and holding the law over others heads false brethren teaching another gospel.
Personally I disagree with what Jeff said about the father choking a man who was r*ping his child to death. The Bible says that a man that does not protect his family is worse than an infidel. And if you are a parent and you found out your child was being r*ped, what would you do? You would go mama/papa bear, wouldn't you? And that would be justified imo. I don't think you should TRY to kill them, but if it happens, it happens. Plus sometimes you have to do what you have to to hold them in place so they don't get away, and if that means something like choking, then so be it. Parents have every right to fight for their children
No what is wrong is calling somebody evil just because they have a different point of view. The woman should have educated herself better to defend her stance before protesting. However because she didn't she was made to look foolish. However Jeff Durbin leaning on the Old Covenant law and support of the death penalty is also wrong. Jesus taught we are under a New Covenant that we are to show Mercy, Forgiveness, and Love to All people even our enemies. People seem to like to overlook when Jesus addressed "An eye for an eye" which was an Old Covenant law He said, BUT I TELL YOU."
I believe she wants to be accepted into that church and loved. She can be converted and you all did a fine job! She will be in church praying to the "right" Jesus before too long. Praying for her in the name of Jesus!
Oh man, that was the funniest part!!! Jeff's comment about how God is just bringing the people there. The way that other brothers in Christ just jumped right in talking with the mormons was just flat-out awesome. God be glorified!!
God bless you brother Jeff, Apologia church and every believer who takes a stand for the truth with unwavering faith and obedience to Jesus and fights the good fight of Faith.
I dont know that punishing the women that abort their child would be productive. From what I have seen the act is punishment enough for most. I have a sister in law who struggles with the guilt to this day over something she did 30 years ago. I hate abortion. There is no reason for abortion. Though this act maybe best left between God and the woman.
What pearls as Jeff Durbin in his response was spewing Old Covenant law and support of the death penalty which is false. We are not under the Old Covenant law, and Jesus addressed the eye for an eye showing we are not to live by that anymore. Punishment and condemnation is not for us to hand out and judge others by.
@@Freyaphoenix793 there is no such thing as New Covenant law..... You are either under law or Grace.... There is no teaching of being under both law and Grace in God's Word. Your either free in Christ or under bondage still if you adhere to the law Now do we as Christians have a set of morals we are to live by ??? Yes but those morals we live by are not to be shown only to other believers. We are to show those morals to everybody.........
@@kennethcadwell2124 if you are not saved, grace does not apply. That was the point I was making. They don't literally want women killed, they are making it a point that it is something that does not please God, it is murder and sin. We all deserve the death penalty because the wages of sin is death and all have fallen short of the glory of God. But God is rich in mercy and mighty to save. To point out sin is to point out a need for a savior
Apparently she missed the bit about praying as a self-aggrandizing virtue signal is bad. Must be a corrupted bit of the means of communication of a perfect being.
You cannot cast a spirit out of someone who doesn't want to have the spirit cast out. Just the same as you cannot force someone to be saved and accept Jesus as their savior.
@@osowers6755 Why not? Paul did it with the Slave girl. She's not in her right mind and being ruled by a principality...likely willingly..so come at it in the spiritual as well as in truth. That's all I'm saying.
She means a thief can steal from everyone else except her. I feel if a person stole from her they’d be put in prison. Is this a symptom of narcissism? Maybe why she doesn’t care about the unborn? 🤔🤨
Wow this lady is definitely not a Christian. She said Jesus never said anything about abortion. What about the 6th commandment? That come straight from Jesus’s hand to the tablet. Bless you Pastor Jeff for calmly trying to reason with this crazy person.
@@user-fb2jb3gz1d John 1 KIng James Bible 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 *All things* were made by him; and without him was *not* any thing made that was *made* - The 10 Commandments were *made* , the finger of GOD could be made be either Father or Jesus, but yes it was made by the Father , but Jesus is the Word, and He is the Law, " Aramaic Bible John 8:58 Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD
@Pê Gê "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Do you remember reading that?
@@1godonlyone119 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13:16 KJV
I love how you guys handled this. Brought me so much joy to see the opportunities delivered straight to your church. I would love to be a part of apologia church :)
Yep. Woman does research on the spot to know what "fetus" means in english. Reads that it means "a developing human." Pastor Jeff: "A developing what?" Woman: "Shut up" smh... Even when the truth is shown to her (about something so simple and insignificant as the meaning of a word she uses to try to dehumanize what is human), she wants to close her ears to it.
This is exactly why I love Jeff and Apologia. The way you all handled this women was absolutely Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior pouring out of every ounce of your bodies. You are wonderful people and I pray that God continues to bless you all, and allows you to reach millions upon millions each every day. Thank you!
Praise God for pastor Durbin and Apologia church. What a blessing to have these guys on my radar. My life and relationship with Christ has improved from watching these dudes. God bless us all
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 Non-sequitur argument.... I never mentioned free speech had I. But now im forced to rebut it? She is a poor lost soul, and she is entitled to free speech.... Does that cover your point?
Just another demonstration of demons manifesting in the flesh we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and the rulers of this Dark World and spiritual wickedness in high places
But who is the demon here as both are in the wrong. One can not properly defend her stance.... While the other leans on the Old Covenant law which is also wrong as we don't live under that covenant.
@@kennethcadwell2124 I agree with you 100% that we should love our enemies and be merciful, but I do have a question. Where in the New Covenant was the state's duty to punish crime abolished?
@@enlaverdad2288 does state overrule what the Lord says ??? No it doesn't and Jesus said in regards to "eye for an eye" from the Old Covenant law, "BUT I TELL YOU." He also said leave vengeance up to Him and that condemnation and judging of others is not for us to do. As for punishment they can keep murderers in prison for life, but as for death we are not to make that call.
@Joel wrong the New Covenant of Grace is how we as Christians are to live by. Under this Covenant we are to show Love, Mercy, and Forgiveness to everybody including our enemies. Jesus taught we are to pray and do good for others. We are not to judge condemnation on others and we are not to hold the written law over their heads. Again as I said before Jesus and Paul both taught in the manner in which you judge others you to will be judged in that same manner. So if you go around condemning others then that will be your fate as well.
Brother Jeff I praise God for the patience he has truly blessed you with, I pray in Jesus name that God you bless me with such patience going forward 🙏🙏🙏
She realized as soon as she said HUMAN she lost the argument and went to that level throwing insults. When they start throwing insults you know you won...lol
That’s pretty much how the left do their thing, they yell without stating facts and if they feel offended in ANY way they’ll start cursing at you, it’s really sad.
Such an example of gracious witness, with gentleness and respect amid mindless shouting, antics and insults from this women. Lots to be learned, thank you for this.
Her: "I'm actually a Christian"
Jeff: "No Ma'am you're not"
LOL. Really respect the self control exercised here by Jeff, one of the hardest things to do (which I fall short in) is remaining calm when someone is shouting at you aggressively. The instinct of the flesh is to match shouting with shouting, to match aggression with aggression.
its more than that.. its the act of one exercising their will over your will.. their truth over your truth.. the root of all sin is pride.. and we all want to at times, to exercise our will over the will of others.. the life of a Christian isn't to exercise our will over another but to allow the Holy Spirit to breathe Truth to another and let His will be done. Hope that makes sense..on the flesh level, I AGREE.. but in the Spiritual realm where all Truth lies, this is where it all makes sense to me.
@@KimberlyLBrown Amen sister!❤️🙏
When a fool is confronted by wisdom, this is the result. Total confusion, I sincerely hope she finds salvation.
She won't, until God shows her mercy.
@@mishkakasalapiy3222 God has shown us all mercy; including her.
She’s a confessed Atheist.. I pray the same thing brother! It is possible because at one time I was an atheist
My sister was raped and had a baby she never thought that baby girl was a bad thing she believed it was a blessing even due to the circumstances of how the baby was conceived..
Even if they abort the baby its not like all the trauma will go away. Might as well use your pain and help others. Who knows that child could grow up to change a lot of people's lives
It was a test
She did well
Same but I had a son. My son is a wonderful gift that came from a horrible situation.
Seems like a double down rape bad then the murder bad
May God the father bless her in the name of Jesus Christ amen 🙏.
Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD God almighty. Who was, and is, and is to come.
Amen 🙏🙂
Revelation song!
Amen 🙌🏽❤️
...man, I can't believe I ever labeled myself pro choice... Thank you God for these new eyes.
Amen! Hallelujah!
God is the creator of life and it’s only up to Him when it can be taken away. Babies, and all life are precious
@@Apersonintheworldtoday "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." That's your God speaking through Hosea 13:16
Amen 🙏🙂
It's that new heart he gave you is what opened your eyes
Yes!!! Same here!
"A developing human from..."
"A developing what?"
"Human."
"Oh, so it's a what now?.. It's a what?"
"It doesn't have the same rights..."
"It's a developing what?"
"... Shut up."
LOL
Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves."
Just because your faith is weak the whole of the word does not sit well with your stomach. Dwell on that. The Lord is fine with killing the children of ones enemies.
@@thedruid1151 that's because numbers 25 curse Came Upon the people because of what the moabites did amongst Israelites they did not want the plague upon them again
That LORD of OT that kills is the devil. JESUS has different directives.
LOL perfect ending. Lord please work on this woman's heart and allow her to reason with others instead of rage. Amen. Thank you for Apologia Studios
Then she said "you're an A***hole" , conceding the point!
Oh this poor woman! She’s messed up, hurting and deflecting from the source of her disrupted soul. She’s in a state of constant panic and turmoil.
😢
I saw that too - she was trembling the entire time. I have a feeling this is what people on Judgement Day will look like when before the great white throne; shaking with equal parts fear and rage while denouncing their Maker to His face.
maybe so, but note the wording on her sign. Jeffy boy didn't - at any point - DENY that he was in favor of putting women who get abortions on death row. What does that tell you?
@@wylier Sure, but since Jeff is Christian, we have reason to believe that Jeff would give grace, too. It would be wrong to implement that kind of legislation with a death penalty as punishment tomorrow, for example. Kind of like how if we suddenly banned guns in the US, it would take some time to collect the arms from law-abiding citizens, and it would be wrong to throw these citizens in jail for possession while they were in the midst of surrendering their rifles and stuff.
I think Jeff is promoting the idea that in a just society, abortion would be recognized as evil as someone unrepentantly killing a three year old. You wouldn't let those kinds of monsters walk around freely, so if abortion was rightfully recognized in our society as the murder of children, women who were pro-abortion would end up with the same sentence as other child-killers. Jeff is fighting for that kind of society, but there's a laundry list of things to do before we as a society can rightly and truly arrive there.
@@toniduval4350 all it would take would be a national statute against abortion. There's not enough support for that to be a likely scenario, tho. Secondly, not all Christians are opposed to the death penalty.
This woman is unstable.
VERY
And thankfully not my neighbor.
In ALL her ways
The way of the trespasser is Hard!
Everyone is unstable without The Lord.
I used to be pro-choice when I was much younger, but I never really looked into it too much. I just liked the idea of women having choice. The more and more I look into it as an adult the more ashamed I am of that view. The more I listen to debate, the more holes I see in the pro abortion side. The people opposing the pastor in his videos are almost ALL inconsistent, incoherent and almost always fall back onto chants or screams or name-calling. They just cannot answer his questions. His work is so good!! Bless his soul. I hope I get to meet him one day. I am a South African but I will be in USA this August. Really looking forward to first world problems lol
Me too!
I'm sorry to hear that you no longer believe women should be able to chose what happens to their body. Choice is freedom. Understand, pro choice is not pro abortion. I do not believe anyone should have an abortion. I've participated in an abortion of my child and I regret it every day. I regret it because I have two children and I realize I didn't give a life a chance. A pregnancy left alone and barring natural occurring events that can end a pregnancy, the pregnancy will produce a live.
The thing is, in a free society, if one is to respect and advocate for the freedom of all, the only option is choice. If one disagrees with everything another believes is true, the only way the two can live together is rule of law and choice.
@@iancampbell1316 Of course, but then, the murderer must be made free to do whatever he pleases. I mean, some of these guys have serious mental issues. It's not their fault, so give them freedom to make the choice to kill.
The main point is that abortion is murder, and as long as murder is outlawed in society, abortion must be too.
@@arunparolikkal4674 You may consider abortion murder from your religious moral stand point but abortion is not illegal and legally is not murder. Your argument ends there. We live in a system of laws. The Constitution of the US is the law of the land and the first amendment of the constitution insures freedom of and from religion so no laws can be passed for or against religion. In short, I have the freedom to not believe as you believe.
Not acceptable to you? Well in a constitutional democratic republic you can act to change the law. You can run for office yourself. If you don't want to run, you can get together with like minded people, elect like minded people to office who will change the law as long as they are constitutional.
We have laws that lay out what murder is. We even have different levels of murder. If a deviant murderous crazy person kills someone, there are law on the books to handle that.
I'm curious, lets say the abortion laws are changed and abortion becomes murder, what should the punishment be? A fine? 20 years to life? Death?
Who should get punished? The woman? The man? The one who performs the abortion at the man or woman's request? All involved?
Will there be an agency established to monitor pregnancies and insure they go to term? Will a woman be required to report a pregnancy. What happens to the woman if she doesn't report the pregnancy? What if a woman has a miscarriage? Will she be subject to investigation after the loss of a wanted child? What will that investigation involve? An intrusive medical examination?
Will there be mental health programs for women who are forced to carry a rapist baby to term? Will suicide prevention organizations be funded to handle the increase in depression?
Who pays for the inevitable increase in foster care?
@@iancampbell1316 Well, first of all I don't live in america. News flash, the majority of the world's population doesn't.
Secondly, this has nothing to do with religion. Abortion is the murder of an unborn human being. And abortion is illegal in so many parts of the world, including India, where I'm from.
I'm not saying abortion should be legally equated with murder. I understand that abortions are very often done in situations where the mother is in a very difficult place. I used murder simply as an example of a crime that we all agree should be punished. As to who should get punished, that depends on the case. Sometimes the woman, sometimes the man, sometimes a person who forced the parents to abort their baby. Always the clinic that does the procedure. And while there are special provisions for murders with severe mental issues, any competent criminal psychologist will tell you that crime is usually the product of a disturbed mind.
Of course, criminalising abortion isn't easy. Making it legal will go so much smoother. There are so many things that have to be addressed that cannot be possibly be summed up with a comment on UA-cam. But very often it takes a lot of work and figuring out to do a little good.
It definitely doesn't need to be a black and white law. For example, in my country, there are provisions that allow women who were raped to have the baby aborted if it is under a certain stage of development.
Not poor and misguided because she has accepted the world view. But even this woman can be saved. The Gospel has power!
Amen~! Praying~!
‘Whether it’s a mother who kills her child in the womb or a mother who kills her five-year-old twins by drowning them in the bathtub, we would want it to be treated as a murder charge, and for that to be applied consistently under the law."
- Jeff Durbin 👍👍
Robert Gomez Jr - love it!
Unless it is a case like Andrea Yates where she had severe post partum psychosis and their nutbag of a pastor encouraged them not to use birth control and live in a camper.
@@jeaninepetty4923 I say let's put the Christian God on Trial for crimes against humanity. "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13:16 KJV
That's sounds like the argument of someone who has never studied law,but studied destroying civil rights
@@stevenkeller452 Would you point to the inconsistency in his argument? I fail to see it.
(That is, assuming you considera the embryo/fetus is a human being).
Thank you to the lady who invited her into the church with love, and thank you Pastor for continuing to help this lost woman.
The contrast between the two is amazing. One coherent and one unhinged.
She is truly unhinged! Incapable of any reason!
Leftist NPCs are all unhinged. The deny God and science.
@@avian1971 just so ignorant to turn this into a political issue.
The woman is very uneducated on how to argue her side but Jeff Durbin pushing and leaning on Old Covenant laws is also wrong and shows how mislead he is.
The abuse of God's Word here in America of some trying to force people to live by the old written law of Moses is sickening.
We are under Grace through the freedom we have in Christ, not the bondage of the law.
@@kennethcadwell2124 so if someone breaks into your home tonight while you are sleeping and has his way with your wife and daughters and looks your son's are you going to say that it's alright, he's "under grace?"
Haven't you read what Moses said to the Children of Israel after he reiterated the Law on Mount Pisgah? He called it Good and for Life and a Blessing! Are you suggesting that you have a better standard than what God himself had given us, upon which Jesus, our Lord, expounded?
@@kennethcadwell2124 any scripture to back that up?
This guy has the armor of God for real wow
Bless you pastor Jeff
Thank you for what you’re doing
Praise to God
It's hard to reason with someone who is unreasonable! It's so sad that this woman is so deceived. May God open her eyes.
Jeff Durbin, Is so eloquent in his communications, regardless of the intensity of the situation. So calm and collected. Much respect and love to this man of Elohim.
I love jeff, even if i dont agree with everything he believes, he is based in logic. Theses pro abortion liberals are so insane and dont even see how illogical their arguments are.
@@PanzerAce760 'logic' easily applies to the pro-choice side, tho - dont people desire freedom of choice, and bodily autonomy? Certainly the 1973 Supreme Court had that in mind when they made legal abortion the law of the land.
@@wylier and now ?
I would say _The_ Elohim, as the word "elohim" means spiritual being, and doesn't directly translate to God, though the word "God" is used appropriately in the scriptures for the most part, just not the context of when God takes counsel among the "gods" and such, it would be accurate to translate "gods" with a little ‘g’ as spiritual beings, or angelic beings 🤷🏻♂️.
But you aren't wrong.
@@wylier One problem with that, a baby is not part of the mother's autonomy, or body.
In fact, their body considers the Child to be an outside source, and if it weren't for the special place that children are within on the inside of the womb, the body would try and kill them. So good job, everything you said was a lie.
Revelation 21:8
But the _fearful,_ and _unbelieving,_ and the _abominable,_ and _murderers,_ and _whoremongers,_ and _sorcerers,_ and _idolaters,_ and _all liars,_ shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
“God is giving us so many fish”
Amen!!
Jesus told his disciples, the ones who were fishermen, "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men."
I wonder what he actually meant by that. A fish is food. If you're fishing for men, is He stating, don't bother to work; I'll show you how to make a living without the need to labor?
You don't need to worry about food when everyone thinks your a god send. Is that Christ true message? Live the easy life of a tv evangelist? He died on the cross so Peter Popoff and Joel Osteen could make millions?
@@algol291 that simply means he was using their type of work as an analogy to the apologists they would become, gathering people for him through his own empowering and guidance (follow me), by using something they could relate with and understand. No one is guaranteed an easy life because of that and people are even encouraged to work so that they don't become a burden to others and so they can help others in difficult situations as a community.
@algol291 Joel Osteen will be wishing he had repented when he's judged for his prosperity preaching, amassing riches while misleading his flock. Easy life? I challenge you to live so 'easily.' Jesus' directive was to basically preach the gospel and accumulate nothing for yourself. This is plainly read in Luke 10 vv3-5, but I encourage you to read further: 3"Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5But whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace to this house.'"
@Leo Nidas "Samaria has become guilty, for she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword, their infants shall be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women shall be ripped open." Hosea 14:1 That is you gods commands.
donotcompromise ,what does that mean, thanks, not sure what it mean!
.... and then 2 Mormons roll up. “He who wins souls is wise”. God bless you guys over there doing great things for God. Hallelujah
“Mam, the Jesus your praying to doesn’t exist” hahaha
She sounds like Mickey mouse
Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.”
Your loving patience yet firm stance is an inspiration, Jeff and the Apologia team! God bless you all!
I love the calm and kindness shown by everyone in this church to this lady and others who are so lost!
*_This poor woman is blind to the truth. Professing to be wise, she has become a fool. We should pray for her salvation._* ✝️❤️🙏
they need to call the men in the white coats to lock her up and throw away the key she has no clue what she's doing or talking about I bet this lady thinks that susan smith was innocent of drowning her kids that's proabaly her hero she probably thinks trump is god
@@staintedcards It's ironic you bring up Smith. I happen to live close to where that happened. I remember it well. She's currently in prison in a place near Greenwood.
Ranger for Jesus true
God give me the strength to forgive this woman and the patience to deal with others like her
Amen Ranger! God bless you my friend!
Oh my gosh... the moment she said "I'm a Christian" I about had a heart attack.
Pray for her. She needs to repent.
There's more to this woman's protestations than seen here. Lots of anger and a past filled with perceived or real injury.
Yes she is hurt
Demon possessed
Who knows she may be trying to atone for her own abortion. Just a thought
And I LOVE that woman who was speaking with you from your church. The Holy Spirit is BOLD in her! Love it!
To the woman with the sign:
There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.
Proverbs 14:12
This same verse should be applied to Jeff Durbin as he leans on the Old Covenant law which scripture teaches that anybody teaching the written law is required to be kept are false brethren.
Amen. Proverbs 16:2- All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
@@kennethcadwell2124 No it cant. Not the same at all.
@@kokonuttsarefun6472 yes it is because those who lean on the law as required to be kept are doing the same thing.
They think their way is right when it's actually a false gospel they are walking by.
Just see the Apostle Paul in Galatians. He calls those preaching and holding the law over others heads false brethren teaching another gospel.
"I'm a Christian."
"No, you're not, ma'am."
Nailed it.
These make me vicariously emotional. I'm really glad you stay so calm.
@Leo Nidas Her hypocrisy? Absolutely. I was agreeing with Pastor Jeff.
I don't know how he's so quick to answer and yet he's so accurate. For a lot of these things, I would have to think before I said things.
"We believe that the state ought to punish criminals..."
*Silence*
"You said you went to law school."
Lol, she probably never even went to law school. She probably just said that to sound smart
Personally I disagree with what Jeff said about the father choking a man who was r*ping his child to death. The Bible says that a man that does not protect his family is worse than an infidel. And if you are a parent and you found out your child was being r*ped, what would you do? You would go mama/papa bear, wouldn't you? And that would be justified imo. I don't think you should TRY to kill them, but if it happens, it happens. Plus sometimes you have to do what you have to to hold them in place so they don't get away, and if that means something like choking, then so be it. Parents have every right to fight for their children
What a raging fool.
She ain't afraid to stand up for what she THINKS is right, now if only she could see evil for what it is and know Christ.
No what is wrong is calling somebody evil just because they have a different point of view.
The woman should have educated herself better to defend her stance before protesting. However because she didn't she was made to look foolish.
However Jeff Durbin leaning on the Old Covenant law and support of the death penalty is also wrong.
Jesus taught we are under a New Covenant that we are to show Mercy, Forgiveness, and Love to All people even our enemies.
People seem to like to overlook when Jesus addressed "An eye for an eye" which was an Old Covenant law He said, BUT I TELL YOU."
I love this lady : )) I pray that God opens her eyes and saves her. Then she becomes a member of Apologia. Praise the Lord Pastor Durbin...
She is so confused and angry! Thank you Pastor Jeff for calmly asking her the hard questions that will hopefully make her rethink her life stance!
Jeff Durbin is leading me to god! In 70 days I’ll be his newest church member. I’m just in awe of his courage .
This woman can’t see the truth for the same reason robbers can’t see the law
Jeff, your arguments are rock solid brother keep up the good work dude you give a young guy like me hope
I believe she wants to be accepted into that church and loved. She can be converted and you all did a fine job! She will be in church praying to the "right" Jesus before too long. Praying for her in the name of Jesus!
i started laughing when the mormons randomly showed up! Praise God for yalls ministry!
Oh man, that was the funniest part!!! Jeff's comment about how God is just bringing the people there. The way that other brothers in Christ just jumped right in talking with the mormons was just flat-out awesome. God be glorified!!
@@LochFred Amen all the glory is and belongs to our God :)
Jeff...you just made my night.....glad she resolved her bewilderment.
In God's hands.
I literally laughed out loud when she was about to answer a question and she said"oh wait I'm in the middle of a prayer" 😂
Lord have mercy on her
God bless you brother Jeff, Apologia church and every believer who takes a stand for the truth with unwavering faith and obedience to Jesus and fights the good fight of Faith.
How do you stay calm so well, awesome work Jeff 👍🏼
Cause he knows karate.
Carson Williams it’s something we all believers should strive for
I dont know that punishing the women that abort their child would be productive. From what I have seen the act is punishment enough for most. I have a sister in law who struggles with the guilt to this day over something she did 30 years ago. I hate abortion. There is no reason for abortion. Though this act maybe best left between God and the woman.
Verbal Judo, knowledge of the Word of God, and most importantly the grace of God, that's how.
Staying calm and collective is a key.
I couldn't help it either, I just had to laugh when she contradicted herself and then realized it when Jeff pointed it out.
Lol true
Craig Bullock I couldn’t help but laugh when she got down and prayed to passive Jesus and he couldn’t raise her from her knees lol
“Is harassment a crime?”
“....it is not-excuse me, I’m in the middle of a prayer” 😂
Wow, what a gem! She is a delightful Bowl of Cherries to say the least! I'll be praying for her and myself after watching that show she put on.
4:28 "No ma'am you're not" --- so true. Then he transitions his approach after she claims Christ. Well done.
This man blows her mind, does a mic drop and exits stage. I love it.
You can only cast those pearls for so long. God bless.
Gotta respect the patience of this pastor though, this is totally God working this way
What pearls as Jeff Durbin in his response was spewing Old Covenant law and support of the death penalty which is false.
We are not under the Old Covenant law, and Jesus addressed the eye for an eye showing we are not to live by that anymore.
Punishment and condemnation is not for us to hand out and judge others by.
You can only be under New Covenant law if you are saved
@@Freyaphoenix793 there is no such thing as New Covenant law.....
You are either under law or Grace....
There is no teaching of being under both law and Grace in God's Word.
Your either free in Christ or under bondage still if you adhere to the law
Now do we as Christians have a set of morals we are to live by ???
Yes but those morals we live by are not to be shown only to other believers.
We are to show those morals to everybody.........
@@kennethcadwell2124 if you are not saved, grace does not apply. That was the point I was making. They don't literally want women killed, they are making it a point that it is something that does not please God, it is murder and sin. We all deserve the death penalty because the wages of sin is death and all have fallen short of the glory of God. But God is rich in mercy and mighty to save. To point out sin is to point out a need for a savior
Kudos for trying to educate the mentally unstable .
You have incredible patients , thank you for your most important work .
“Oh my, now there’s a Mormon!” Like an apologist kid in a candy store 😂
Bro I died when I saw that I was like lol perfect timings😂😂😂😂
" Excuse me I'm in the middle of a prayer here" lol
Ricardo Valls i died at that part😂😂😂👏
Do you need help up! That was awesome
Apparently she missed the bit about praying as a self-aggrandizing virtue signal is bad. Must be a corrupted bit of the means of communication of a perfect being.
Jeff, so thankful for the work you’re doing and the boldness with which you do it. Keep fighting the good fight!
Cast the angry spirit out in the name of Jesus. 🙁
Amen
Amen
It has. @@susan67868
You cannot cast a spirit out of someone who doesn't want to have the spirit cast out. Just the same as you cannot force someone to be saved and accept Jesus as their savior.
@@osowers6755 Why not? Paul did it with the Slave girl. She's not in her right mind and being ruled by a principality...likely willingly..so come at it in the spiritual as well as in truth. That's all I'm saying.
Wow the Mormons showing up and a few guys from the church walk over to give him love of God wow this made my day man
"I went to law school and no theives should go free." Cookoobird
If she went to law school then I’m Harry Potter
She means a thief can steal from everyone else except her. I feel if a person stole from her they’d be put in prison.
Is this a symptom of narcissism? Maybe why she doesn’t care about the unborn? 🤔🤨
Unbelievable... Thank you Pastor Jeff for all you do. Good bless you.
I would go to this church in a heartbeat... great work
Wow this lady is definitely not a Christian. She said Jesus never said anything about abortion. What about the 6th commandment? That come straight from Jesus’s hand to the tablet. Bless you Pastor Jeff for calmly trying to reason with this crazy person.
Leo Nidas who is?
Sorry but there was no mention of jesus in exodus
God's finger not Jesus
Please read exodus again
@@user-fb2jb3gz1d John 1 KIng James Bible
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 *All things* were made by him; and without him was *not* any thing made that was *made*
- The 10 Commandments were *made* , the finger of GOD could be made be either Father or Jesus, but yes it was made by the Father , but Jesus is the Word, and He is the Law,
"
Aramaic Bible John 8:58
Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD
@@abashedsanctimony154 i see your point of view
@@abashedsanctimony154 but there is a distinction between the Father and Son
Here's some free advice, don't debate this guy.
Because you'll get rekt
@Pê Gê "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Do you remember reading that?
@Pê Gê Why? Are you afraid of a red flag and picture of a hammer and cycle? It's in Hosea 13:16 KJV Also evilbible.com
@Pê Gê Its the flag of the Soviet Union.
@Pê Gê Yes, I support communism. Okay?
She has the emotional maturity of a 3 year old.
@12:50
"it is a what now?"
"human"
"a what?"
"shut up"
Lol That was funny
Typical Libtard -- no valid argument, only nonsense combined with censorship of the other side.
@@1godonlyone119 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea 13:16 KJV
@@kimobrien. And?
"It's a developing what?" "Oh shut up." Lol best ending ever.
I love how you guys handled this. Brought me so much joy to see the opportunities delivered straight to your church. I would love to be a part of apologia church :)
God bless the work you do Apologia church. You are setting a wonderful example!
So sad, this woman is so lost...please, all believers please pray for her.
That was the best ending EVER! We don't agree on everything, but love my borthers in Christ from Apologia!
Yep. Woman does research on the spot to know what "fetus" means in english. Reads that it means "a developing human."
Pastor Jeff: "A developing what?"
Woman: "Shut up"
smh... Even when the truth is shown to her (about something so simple and insignificant as the meaning of a word she uses to try to dehumanize what is human), she wants to close her ears to it.
All The Tissue in your BODY IS ALIVE!!!
Way to go Pastor Jeff! Mic drop ending.
God Bless
This is exactly why I love Jeff and Apologia. The way you all handled this women was absolutely Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior pouring out of every ounce of your bodies. You are wonderful people and I pray that God continues to bless you all, and allows you to reach millions upon millions each every day. Thank you!
Thank you bros and sises for educating us. May the Lord bless you all the days of your life.
“Excuse me, I’m in the middle of a prayer”. 🤣🤣🤣
Dawn Miller - "the Jesus you're praying to doesn't exist" lol. Perfect response.
Bruh I died
Also she isn't. At best, she is praying as a form of protest, actimg as if she is talking to God whrn she is actually looking ti be seen as holy
I was looking for this 😂😂😂
I pray for this woman, regardless of her stance on the matter I have never seen anyone who is not a teenager act like this.
You did a fine job with this lady. Praying for her now!
Pray for Christianity because its end is near. Can't wait for the oldest CULT in history to disappear.
SsGGEE Animism? Ancestor worship? If you restrict it to organised religion, it’s probably Hinduism.
Praise God for pastor Durbin and Apologia church. What a blessing to have these guys on my radar. My life and relationship with Christ has improved from watching these dudes. God bless us all
BLESS YOU PS JEFF AND TEAM! Champions of the cause. P.s. this woman needs deliverance.
When she says she’s a Christian 😭🤯🤢
Abel Zapata 😨
This poor lost soul.
We should pray for her.
Jude 3
She's not entitled to her free speech?
@@thedevilsadvocate5210
Non-sequitur argument....
I never mentioned free speech had I.
But now im forced to rebut it?
She is a poor lost soul, and she is entitled to free speech....
Does that cover your point?
God bless you pastor Jeff!! Keep fighting for the truth
GOT EM. way to stand up and be firm. Praise the Lord for those who are standing up for truth.
"It's a developing what?"
"Shut up!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh, I got a good belly laugh out of that!
Hahah
Thank you for saving me Lord.
Jeff, Holy Spirit amazingly working through you. God bless you Jeff, and God bless that woman that is holding the sign so that God opens her eyes.
Just another demonstration of demons manifesting in the flesh we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and the rulers of this Dark World and spiritual wickedness in high places
But who is the demon here as both are in the wrong.
One can not properly defend her stance....
While the other leans on the Old Covenant law which is also wrong as we don't live under that covenant.
@@kennethcadwell2124 I agree with you 100% that we should love our enemies and be merciful, but I do have a question. Where in the New Covenant was the state's duty to punish crime abolished?
@@enlaverdad2288 does state overrule what the Lord says ???
No it doesn't and Jesus said in regards to "eye for an eye" from the Old Covenant law, "BUT I TELL YOU."
He also said leave vengeance up to Him and that condemnation and judging of others is not for us to do.
As for punishment they can keep murderers in prison for life, but as for death we are not to make that call.
Amen.
@Joel wrong the New Covenant of Grace is how we as Christians are to live by.
Under this Covenant we are to show Love, Mercy, and Forgiveness to everybody including our enemies.
Jesus taught we are to pray and do good for others.
We are not to judge condemnation on others and we are not to hold the written law over their heads.
Again as I said before Jesus and Paul both taught in the manner in which you judge others you to will be judged in that same manner.
So if you go around condemning others then that will be your fate as well.
Brother Jeff I praise God for the patience he has truly blessed you with, I pray in Jesus name that God you bless me with such patience going forward 🙏🙏🙏
Wow you certainly handled this kindly 🙏 Let’s pray for this woman.
I felt truly sad when she knelt down and started praying to "her" jesus. I pray to the one true God that this woman's eyes are opened.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. JESUS!! HALLELUJAH
I love when the mormons come up and Jeff points out the God given opportunity to witness to even more "fish." Amen brother!!
I have never heard it put that way. Not very often, anyway.
That ending!!
God bless you and your work.
You guys are awesome! Thank you for all the video.
Soo funny when the mormons rocked up 😂😂😂. Could almost see Jeffs eyes just light up by his voice haha.
I think it's just so AWESOME to see how natural it is for Apologia to just go after that opportunity. This is a true, thriving church.
What kind of Christian mocks another Christian church. Huh?
Distraction Eer what other Christian church are we talking about? Unless you’re referring to the Mormons? They are not a Christian church
THAT ENDING IS GOLD!!!!
Holy cow the memes and clips that could be made of this!
I didn’t know a cow could be holy hahaha
She realized as soon as she said HUMAN she lost the argument and went to that level throwing insults. When they start throwing insults you know you won...lol
I think her logic is the louder the volume,the more true it is!
That’s pretty much how the left do their thing, they yell without stating facts and if they feel offended in ANY way they’ll start cursing at you, it’s really sad.
Beautiful Jeff!!! Just beautiful!!!!
Thank you doing this so much
Jeff : developing what?
Lady : human
Jeff: A developing what?
Lady: shut up!
Jeff: lol I got to go.
The last 20 seconds is the perfect example of cognitive dissonance as well as her lack of emotional intelligence.
good on you Jeff, I couldn't talk to that thing for more than 30 seconds. and then to say you will pray for her, you have a lot of Jesus in you.
The Jesus of my bible defended and cherished children , and cursed those who would mislead them!
God bless you Jeff ! ❤✝️💪
Not counting the ones He ordered murdered to prove a point to Pharaoh, of course.
Such an example of gracious witness, with gentleness and respect amid mindless shouting, antics and insults from this women. Lots to be learned, thank you for this.