I coach hs football and the same year they slashed our athletic budget all the athletic directors got a least a ten grand raise. Corporate America in our schools.
@Kelly Appelsuperintendents are different from the other 2 examples you gave. they deal with almost every complaint directly, many are required to go to every play and athletic event they are capable, and to become one in a decent district you’re looking at at least a phd, probably a bunch of other qualifications too. perhaps not 3x a teachers salary, but there is a reason they get paid the way they do. “directors of curriculum” are just useless bureaucrats.
@@Sbamabelle they average more $ per hour worked than the majority of other bachelor's holding individuals. They only work 2/3 of the year with summer break and all their other holidays and vacations and even working such a low amount of hours, it is not uncommon for teachers, K-12 in California, to make 6 figures. Everyone knows their overpaid for what they actually do, but no one wants to say it.
Let me guess what happened here. The teachers and parents ranted and raved. The school board listened politely. Everyone went home and nothing changed.
It's true in every profession. Lawyers make more than paralegals, even though paralegals do the bulk of the work. Doctors make more than nurses even though nurses do almost all of the heavy lifting and correct doctor mistakes daily. Managers in business hold meetings and talk. They don't do real work and many CAN'T do the work of the people they 'manage'. But the people who actually work always make less money.
Same goes for healthcare.. hospital presidents, VPs and such make absurd money and do nothing for patients really. They go to meetings and just vote to put parking lots in or such. Don’t get me started on hospital boards.. they mostly already wealthy people who get paid base salary just give their options/votes and most have zero actual medical knowledge. Merica!
@Mike S Goodmann Totally agree.....as are Sheriffs, Deputies, and other government “officials”. When a deputy can pull in $100k LESS than the president of our country, something needs to be done about their outrageous salaries!!!
They don’t put their lives on the line, they put your life on the line for officer safety, they do everything they have to do to ensure that they’re safe, Including taking your life,actually their job is safer than most
I tried for most of my years in high school to find out where our funding was going. Because my state, Indiana, gives out enough money to each school for every student to have $12,000 put towards them. That's $360,000 for a 30-student class (1st period only) and we never knew where that money went. The administration wouldn't tell us and online they had ZERO information on where their funding went. I'm pretty sure the board was taking it for themselves or putting it towards useless flashy items such as televisions and artwork to make the school look better to outsiders
I came from a shitty small town and we had 800 kids in our school. The average salary of people with kids in the school was only slightly above poverty level. Somehow we had a $250,000 dollar track, a huge well maintained pool and other great sports facilities. Yet, I was using textbooks that were 16 years old.
@@F33bs yeah i know but the problem is most people vote with their emotions and politicians know this. They'll pander to people by pushing policies that have been proven time and time again too fail.
All teachers are asking for is a livable wage scale, not millions in raises like CEOs. We are not investing in our future and the future of the country.
rajesh bista most teachers in the us make anywhere from 48-60k a year with the ability to get college credits in the summer which causes there pay to go up. As a tax payer teachers and including administrators shouldn’t be payed more. I would rather have my money go to kids in need like food and shelter than teachers who are making a decent middle class wage with the help of unions to increase there salary every year.
@Charlene Robertson Practically you can also get 200k a year for the same amount of time, but would you not need teachers to teach to make someone academically competent to reach that level? Labor stratification will always remain in society. If everyone owned businesses, who would be working then?
@@darkchipcharlie7032 teachers only work for 2/3 of the year. The average salary nation wide is 50,000 as of 2 years ago. Meaning they are making, in 8 months, the equivalent of a 75,000 annual salary. Not to mention once they have tenure, they don't have to work another day in their life. Teachers that work the school year and then work summer school make around 80000 annually. That is overpaid for teaching things you had to learn in the 5th grade.
@@AG_312 yes, the same thing happens almost everywhere. In my eastern European country this has always been the story. Moreover, teachers get tired of teaching with such low rewards, and sometimes with no respect from the kids, especially in village schools.
Like the look on my children's faces when I'm lecturing them about something. The look says "hurry up and quit complaining so I can get back to ignoring you"
I was a teacher for a decade @ every level including Adult Education. I moved to a Principal and now Founder of a School. Now, I sit @ the “Big Boy’s Table” and it amazes me how much money top administrators make and I remember how difficult it was to teach Fourth Grade. I value my teachers and listen to all their concerns and answer all questions regardless, if they are certified or classified staff. Most times, it takes an open ear and understanding their concerns. If, we are here for our students then most times these explosive board meetings can be avoided. I avoid outrageous salaries I see.
Every single time I see these teachers ripping the administrators apart they sit there silent just desperately waiting for that little hourglass to run out so they don't have to be bombarded by the truth anymore. Goes to show you where their priorities are.
In addition to these school boards, educational institutions have increasingly become top heavy in the last few years across the nation. Many schools have people on payroll nobody knows what they do, and they are usually connected with somebody at the top. The system is too easy to manipulate because admins are self-governed (i.e., they don’t really report to anybody in practice) and they get to make decisions about everything, including their own salaries.
@@girlofthealpines you honestly have no idea. We work more hours than your 9-5. Then there is also profesional development we have to attend (non-paid Saturdays). What we get paid in the summer is what we have rightfully earned as per our contract. So please, educate yourself in the people who will be educating your children before posting.
@@pauldaniels2766 I'm a teacher and there's days I would rather be digging ditches, man. I work with kids everyday and they can really make for a shitty, thankless, toxic work environment. I don't think I deserve a big handshake for doing my job but it's a lot harder than you think, especially when they force a bunch of extra work onto you when you didn't sign up for it. And I mean no offence by this - but the simple fact that in the trades, 100% of your coworkers are adults and you don't have to manage children all day long, makes those jobs way less of a headache. Those jobs often pay more as well lol.
@Pizzurp We do way more work than we're actually paid for, as we have about a million other miscellaneous responsibilities on top of teaching and grading. We have retirement plans, yes, but I'm not sure what makes that a "handout." Summer is more like a month and a half when you consider how long teachers stay at work after students leave and how early teachers are back at work before students return, which is still good (I'm not complaining), but it's definitely not 4 months off. And even if there's no school on weekends/holidays that doesn't mean teachers aren't planning or marking. I wouldn't expect you to know any of this unless you were a teacher, so I don't blame you. However, you don't need to be a jackass about it either. I wouldn't belittle your job because I don't know a damn thing about it. There's pros and cons to every job and sometimes they aren't obvious to someone outside of that profession.
This is what happens when people want to fill their pockets instead of help prepare the next generation. In high school, some of my favorite teachers that actually gave a damn about their students were forced to go to other districts because they couldn't provide for their family's. My younger siblings didn't get the chance to have fun while learning because of it.
Why is it around the world teachers are so respected but here they’ve earned four and a five year degree and get treated like they are not even important. I have taught in three different countries and people would invite me home for dinner, and always revered educators and therefore made me want to do more.
Schools have become indoctrination centers. Plus, nobody wants to hear someone with decent pay, good benefits, and more time off than almost everyone else, all while being protected by one of the most powerful public unions in the country, whine and complain about how bad they have it.
@@crowjones78 there are so many stupid people like you that exist in this world and i just wish that the teaching system that you bash now did a better job getting the rocks out of your head where your brain should be
Future Teacher here . If I don't care about the kids who will ? I'm not going into teaching for the breaks I'm going because I love working with kids and I care about them. If I don't step up who will?
@@theroadtocosplayandcomicco5840 I saw your comment was 3 years ago...I'm actually asking in a serious and non-sarcastic tone...how's it going for you?
Just like politicians who simply vote on their own raises..... literally the opposite of the world everyone else lives in. Fire them all. Unionize all the teachers, let them vote for their leadership and vote them out if they fail.
Sadly it is not just Muskegon, my wife left 18 years in Bellevue. Cut pay, longer hours, administration blaming the teacher for everything. This is systemic in Michigan... The administration never cared, and the school board only gave the Superintendent more pay, while lecturing teachers to sacrifice for their kids.
I was a MPS student up until 1994 when there were notes being spread amongst our lockers saying "Blonde hair blue eyed people are going down". And that summer I was jumped by a black female and male that ganged up on me and beat me bloody. Mr Zach was principal and I scheduled a meeting with him to be replaced into other classes since the girl who beat me was in 4 of 6 classes I had and as much as I cried and begged for a different schedule away from her, he said no way, schedules are set, just get along. Needless to say I skipped alot after that, failed classes and dropped out. Later I went to m-tec, got my GED and went directly to Baker college with the scholarship I earned and completed 2yrs with a 3.93 GPA in the medical field. No thanks to MPS, or Mr Zach.
It’s moments like these that I kinda wish to relive my school days with my adult mentality just to appreciate the teachers more compared to how I was when I was actually in school and simply wanted to go home and play games… still wanna play games today so not much has changed XD
yeah i was a shitty student and could often be mean or rude to my teachers. Boy did i suck. Wish i could do it again. or maybe thats just not an environment for kids (at least myself as a kid).
What about? She just complained about kids she is teaching. What did she expect getting into that work? I wouldn’t want to teach anyone younger than college where at least some are there because they want to be.
Raises for administrators should be relative to how well their school is doing. They have no incentive to want the schools to do better, just like congress they change the rules to suit them.
I work in water utility for a city. Sometimes we literally work all night long and we get no overtime...just come time to take off when we want. I come in filthy and so Tired I could drop most days. We are paid just like the teachers...with taxpayers dollars. We are the lowest paid department in the city. FAR less than teachers. All of us got a 1% raise last year. While the administration gave themselves 8% and the manager herself went from 130,000 to 160,000. The corruption is everywhere.
How is a teacher supposed to teach when the student comes to class, gets on their phone and totally ignores learning. Ok, so let's call home. What happens the next day? Sometimes that action is corrected and sometimes the students comes to class and gets right back to being on their phone and ignoring the teacher. To fix this system, it will require wayyyyy more parental involvement in their children's education. Ask them how their day was or what do they have for homework? Better yet, with the example from earlier, take away that phone the child is misusing it. Teachers can only do so much during the day (and night/weekend planning) when you have to teach 15-30 students per class (and in HS you teach 5 classes). Think about the emotional toll of working at a school where you are cussed out everyday, or physically threatened by a student. Now you are only allowed to write the student up and just smile back. Try that for a week at your job... So parents, help us, help you and your children, please.
Most kids are using their phone time more productively then you are. Sad, but the reality is you "involving" yourself is likely taking away potential avenues for your child's ultimate development as a human. At either rate, most kids at least know how to cite sources before they make verifiable claims.
I survived 3 terms in an English school ( I am an Australian); I saw some fellow teachers born and bred in England who could not wait to leave after 1 term. I am now an old age pensioner, the best job I've ever had.
FIRST MISTAKE. Talking to the so-called members of the school board. SECOND MISTAKE. Thinking they will do anything to take money out of THEIR pockets. THIRD MISTAKE. Those people of the school board...probably laughed after all of the teachers left. FOURTH MISTAKE. Voting for the same people again who still insist..."WE NEED MORE MONEY!"
Sadly, I wouldn't doubt if nothing came of this. I work in education and can tell you this is rampant. It takes the community BEYOND the teachers/staff to possibly change it.
If the parents aren't willing to be invested in their children's learning and their general well-being and upbringing, should they be having children at all? Maybe that's the bigger question to ask yourself.
If kids are not taught discipline and respect at home, their chances of learning are small, and their behavior will negatively impact the chances of those students in the class who had a decent upbringing. These days teachers have minimal authority in the classroom.
@@jdsmith542 students don’t care...it’s blah, blah, blah...all day long...they only care to get back to social media on their phones...try to take one, or make them turn it off and there is hell to pay.
My Dad was a member of my school systems board of education for 30 years, and my Mom was a teacher in that same school system for 35 years. Teacher contract negotiation periods were stressful times in my house. 😬 Also, side note: I couldn’t so much as sneeze at school without both my parents finding out about it. 😩
This is why I left my school. I loved my students, but I’ve been working in special education since I was 23 and I’ve never been treated the way I was at Escambia Westgate. The only reason I took the job was because I needed to start work ASAP and I know the kids needed me. I had to apologize to my students before I left and explain that it wasn’t them; that it was the school. Educators are all underpaid and overworked.
The only people on a board in ANY school should be Teachers And Counsel There shouldn't be ANY person on the board who isn't a teacher PLAIN AND SIMPLE! We don't need Biden comments from the folks sitting on their thrones we need FACTS!
Teachers are in the classrooms everyday busting there butts investing hours in class giving our kids an education and hours out of class prepping for the next days classwork. They're putting in the hours they are the ones needing raises. And parents need to fix issues at home too. The kids act out because they don't get the attention at home from parents. Parents pay attention to your kids.
This is exactly why I didn't become a secondary education teacher. Instead, I teach at the college level. I have enormous respect for secondary education teachers. I substitute teach K-12 and see the awful behavior they have to deal with. No administrator should earn more money than a teacher inside the classroom giving their all to the children they teach and care about.
Why do they even have these boards? Most of them have zero knowledge on the educational system. There is zero respect for teachers. 😡😡😡 We work hard. Unlike the board members.
This happens everywhere. Part of the reason is that school boards are in charge instead of parents. School boards are supposed to have the school's best interest at hand, but they don't know anything. They are just clueless.
Am I alone or is anyone else reeling from the description of the behavior of 5-year-olds? I'm a teacher. I care about children. There is no way I could or would stay in a situation like that. It is abusive. Who's to blame?
@@badpop987 Let the teachers and students work it out. The admin all the way to the top is largely a waste of taxpayer money. And believe me, they make most of the money. Salaries are way too high compared to teachers in the classroom. I'm a high school teacher (retired) of 30 years. So I know what I'm talking about.
clarkewi sarcasm must have got lost. It always does that in text... I agree with your assessment. There should be far fewer admin folks eating up the resources meant to prepare our kids for real life. The schools are failing on every front.
There's a stark increase in Nihilism in children and teens it seems. Probably because they just are flooded with information to the point they feel nothing really matters. This really hurts passion and creativity among them. I'm only 24, but I work with a lot of people younger than me and teens. They find long-term goals risky because the future feels so unpredictable, but they don't know that that is how it has always been. You have to take great risks in life and accept your failures, because they are going to happen. You can always try something new and choose to learn from the mistakes. I think that's what needs to be taught to kids. Building a career is a great risk, especially when you come from a poor environment. So is pursuing a passion. People need to feel they can still do these things.
The reason why there's no money for the teachers and staff is because the higher up are getting every penny put in their pockets, that's why they the teachers asks for help from the parents to pay for things.
They will sit there and then say ‘I see your point’ or something like that…and then say ‘we will look at it’ and then go away and do nothing and still take the money…same in industry..you get what they want to give you
I'd like to know why in my district......our Administrator gets nearly $400k annual salary......... Why the administration staff has increased when student enrollment has decreased and several schools and property closed, sold and developed.........Why is the administration budget carved out of the school budget that we vote on every year ??????
In Arizona we have "bond elections" every 6 months to 1 year. As soon as that happens the administrators vote themselves a pay raise. I vote no on all bond elections for the past three years.
This past year, the school district I work for, furloughed a bunch of employees on Mondays to save money. Bus drivers, lunch room workers, and even one on one monitors, leaving the students by themselves. But at the beginning of the year had voted themselves hefty pay raises. That was a punch in the gut. Then the bus drivers came to schools to paint, and rake leaves while the building and grounds employees, who were not furloughed, sat and gossiped in the teacher’s-lounge.
The sad thing is that it's a positive feedback loop as well. People see how teachers get treated and the pay that comes with it, and decide it's not worth it... which deprives education of the good teachers, which makes it easier to justify not investing more into education... and cycle.
Omg i love that lady .... im from reeths puffer and i totaly see what shes saying . Their is a select few of us out here that truly deep down know whats going on with the funds . And if they would look real deep and dont put race or anything else like that in to this they will see that its a full circle the government realy dont want every single kid to be super smart . The government couldnt handle the whole country knowing that the people are smarter and stronger if we stick together and help each other succeed. Insted they allow these schools to pay these teachers and school board members like pay rates that make no sence .the board members make bank and the teachers that are with these kids day in and day out get craped on they get pennies. All im saying is mps their higher up people are snakes and cowards . They are ripping us tax payers off every single day.
You just show how ignorant you are. Liberalism has nothing to do with how we got here. It has everything to do with hollowing out the country by the corporate owners and masters of our elected politicians. Liberalism brought you a lot of things you enjoy today. Your view of the world is antiquated and corporate propaganda. Study english liberalism before you open your mouth and spew highly ignorant views that have NO historical basis.
I’m so tired of conservatives and liberals jumping at each other’s throats.... you’re not doing it right if you can’t have a respectful debate with someone else about your politics, you’re not doing it right.
Lowest test scores in the first world. Second highest spending per pupil in the first world. One tiny country of a population the size of NYC pays more. Sorry pay is not the issue. Please name one state that teachers starting salary is less than the state median income? Does not exist.
Military protects all of us We are way down already.We can not take money from there the way things are.Problem is miss spent money being given to all other Countries and used and abused by government for illegals and bs programs and missing money.We need accountability where every single dollar goes and for what in an itemized bill for all taxpayers.Then we can determine where the problem is.
Students may not be in school this fall because covid19 is still a problem in West Michigan. I will be watxhing developments over the summer months to see what the plan is.
Thank you Teachers for the good fight!! Fight for our Kids!!! Everything that is politicized turns into a money machine for profit!!! Our Children aren't products or produce!! Thanks Teachers!!!
Following the lead of Congress seems to be the norm now. How are these People continually elected to Boards such as this? They were voted in - vote them out. Is a referendum available? Apparently it is necessary. How long will this crisis continue?
My wife has been a teacher for nearly 30 years (yes, with MS Degree). She says the problem is that the SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS refuse to have and enforce reasonable discipline policies. The solution is to elect school boards that set discipline as a top priority and monitor them and insist that they hire school administrators who understand that. IF you want to make things better for everyone, run for election to your school board. Get like minded people to run also. You CAN get elected and fix this mess. You can then see to it that policies that end the chaos are implemented and that school administrators DO THEIR JOBS. Then the teachers would be supported and backed up when they discipline disruptive students. Parents would again support and backup the teachers. Then the chaos would END. Schools would again be SANE asylums, as they were when I grew up. NEVER chaotic. No attacks on other students (ok, sure, there was the rare fight, but only between 2 students and not knock down drag outs), but NEVER an attack on a teacher. Ancient history, I guess. I graduated HS in 1964.
If teachers don't get a raise then neither should administrators
Neither of them need raises.
agreed teachers make shit money and its not fair especially for what they deal with
@@anthony4308 who raised you
Karnefice a rock
I coach hs football and the same year they slashed our athletic budget all the athletic directors got a least a ten grand raise. Corporate America in our schools.
They learned from congress how to vote yourself a raise. When no one is looking.
Darrell Scholl, Term Limits!
@@realhxq one congressman finally suggested that
😁 Exactly.
@Kelly Appelsuperintendents are different from the other 2 examples you gave. they deal with almost every complaint directly, many are required to go to every play and athletic event they are capable, and to become one in a decent district you’re looking at at least a phd, probably a bunch of other qualifications too. perhaps not 3x a teachers salary, but there is a reason they get paid the way they do. “directors of curriculum” are just useless bureaucrats.
Politics has totally taken over and destroyed America.
nobody on any school administration board in any city deserves a damn raise ahead of its teachers.
Teachers are already overpaid as it is. Neither of them deserve raises.
@@anthony4308 You are a dumbass if you believe that.
@@anthony4308 L O L
@@Sbamabelle they average more $ per hour worked than the majority of other bachelor's holding individuals. They only work 2/3 of the year with summer break and all their other holidays and vacations and even working such a low amount of hours, it is not uncommon for teachers, K-12 in California, to make 6 figures. Everyone knows their overpaid for what they actually do, but no one wants to say it.
@ja pitts you’re wrong. Teachers are easily the most overpaid profession and it’s not even close.
Let me guess what happened here. The teachers and parents ranted and raved. The school board listened politely. Everyone went home and nothing changed.
It is always true about education in the US: The farther you are from the classroom, the more money you will make.
It's true in every profession. Lawyers make more than paralegals, even though paralegals do the bulk of the work. Doctors make more than nurses even though nurses do almost all of the heavy lifting and correct doctor mistakes daily.
Managers in business hold meetings and talk. They don't do real work and many CAN'T do the work of the people they 'manage'. But the people who actually work always make less money.
@@rhill3575 lmao, reality check
@@rhill3575 yeah but all the jobs you listed require experience and education. Go back to economics class
@@jamesstraw9732 Indeed
Same goes for healthcare.. hospital presidents, VPs and such make absurd money and do nothing for patients really. They go to meetings and just vote to put parking lots in or such. Don’t get me started on hospital boards.. they mostly already wealthy people who get paid base salary just give their options/votes and most have zero actual medical knowledge. Merica!
Well in the eyes of the administrators :
“Let me take a 5 minute berating and I’ll be laughing all the way to the bank the rest of the year!”
That’s a good point. It’s not uncomfortable enough for them so there’s no motivation to change their behavior.
Yep, talk is cheap. They got the money and they don't care.
School District administrators are grossly overpaid everywhere!
Mike S Goodmann that’s why Tulsa just closed 4 middle schools!! And two of them were the best in the city!!
@Mike S Goodmann Totally agree.....as are Sheriffs, Deputies, and other government “officials”. When a deputy can pull in $100k LESS than the president of our country, something needs to be done about their outrageous salaries!!!
Wendy Arenz well law enforcement put their lives on the line everyday.
They don’t put their lives on the line, they put your life on the line for officer safety, they do everything they have to do to ensure that they’re safe, Including taking your life,actually their job is safer than most
@@kevinsrocks71 you're a moron.
I’m a teacher…27 years. I love when teachers stand up to admin. Go teachers!!❤️❤️
Unfortunately, it doesn't do any good. That's why a lot of teachers become administrators; if you can't beat em, join em.
@@karllieck9064 If you left to become an administrator, you probably were not ever a very good teacher!!!
I tried for most of my years in high school to find out where our funding was going. Because my state, Indiana, gives out enough money to each school for every student to have $12,000 put towards them. That's $360,000 for a 30-student class (1st period only) and we never knew where that money went. The administration wouldn't tell us and online they had ZERO information on where their funding went. I'm pretty sure the board was taking it for themselves or putting it towards useless flashy items such as televisions and artwork to make the school look better to outsiders
I came from a shitty small town and we had 800 kids in our school. The average salary of people with kids in the school was only slightly above poverty level. Somehow we had a $250,000 dollar track, a huge well maintained pool and other great sports facilities. Yet, I was using textbooks that were 16 years old.
its just called government. Nothing new here.
@@F33bs yeah i know but the problem is most people vote with their emotions and politicians know this. They'll pander to people by pushing policies that have been proven time and time again too fail.
Has anything changed? Three years later, has anything changed? Fire the administrators already!
All teachers are asking for is a livable wage scale, not millions in raises like CEOs. We are not investing in our future and the future of the country.
rajesh bista most teachers in the us make anywhere from 48-60k a year with the ability to get college credits in the summer which causes there pay to go up. As a tax payer teachers and including administrators shouldn’t be payed more. I would rather have my money go to kids in need like food and shelter than teachers who are making a decent middle class wage with the help of unions to increase there salary every year.
@Charlene Robertson Practically you can also get 200k a year for the same amount of time, but would you not need teachers to teach to make someone academically competent to reach that level? Labor stratification will always remain in society. If everyone owned businesses, who would be working then?
Teachers are already overpaid.
Anthony Morris source?
@@darkchipcharlie7032 teachers only work for 2/3 of the year. The average salary nation wide is 50,000 as of 2 years ago. Meaning they are making, in 8 months, the equivalent of a 75,000 annual salary. Not to mention once they have tenure, they don't have to work another day in their life. Teachers that work the school year and then work summer school make around 80000 annually. That is overpaid for teaching things you had to learn in the 5th grade.
I honestly love when teachers give speeches or debate shit...it’s so organized 🤨
almost like they know how it shoud be done ;)
I mean, it's easier than organizing kids! XD
marshall jarnagin that is one hell of an understatement
cuz these are some of the most educated people in our society and they are constantly bent over
@@AG_312 yes, the same thing happens almost everywhere. In my eastern European country this has always been the story. Moreover, teachers get tired of teaching with such low rewards, and sometimes with no respect from the kids, especially in village schools.
Looks on admin people's faces = priceless.
Like the look on my children's faces when I'm lecturing them about something. The look says "hurry up and quit complaining so I can get back to ignoring you"
Find out when school board elections are and vote because nobody votes and the most lazy rich people in town get elected.
I was a teacher for a decade @ every level including Adult Education. I moved to a Principal and now Founder of a School. Now, I sit @ the “Big Boy’s Table” and it amazes me how much money top administrators make and I remember how difficult it was to teach Fourth Grade. I value my teachers and listen to all their concerns and answer all questions regardless, if they are certified or classified staff. Most times, it takes an open ear and understanding their concerns. If, we are here for our students then most times these explosive board meetings can be avoided. I avoid outrageous salaries I see.
Maybe all administrators should have at least 10 yrs teaching experience to qualify for an administrators position.
Every single time I see these teachers ripping the administrators apart they sit there silent just desperately waiting for that little hourglass to run out so they don't have to be bombarded by the truth anymore. Goes to show you where their priorities are.
...and through it all, they keep getting their raises.
"We don't have money. We have voted ourselves a raise."
In addition to these school boards, educational institutions have increasingly become top heavy in the last few years across the nation. Many schools have people on payroll nobody knows what they do, and they are usually connected with somebody at the top. The system is too easy to manipulate because admins are self-governed (i.e., they don’t really report to anybody in practice) and they get to make decisions about everything, including their own salaries.
Teachers are on the frontlines of their communities and deserve a lot more.
They make more than most in the country. With more time off. And better benefits save elected Politicians.
@@yesihavebedbugs2786 The most overrated job on the planet.
*Good* teachers should get more.
VOTE THEM OUT!! With that many teachers agreeing you can make change!!
Pay teachers well and they may do an even better job.
Couldn’t do much worse
That still won’t do much for the low educational level in the US.
@@girlofthealpines you honestly have no idea. We work more hours than your 9-5. Then there is also profesional development we have to attend (non-paid Saturdays). What we get paid in the summer is what we have rightfully earned as per our contract. So please, educate yourself in the people who will be educating your children before posting.
Or work harder and get paid for better work.
@@girlofthealpines most of then have expensive houses and cars too 🙄. You work part time you get part time pay.
Teachers are VASTLY underpaid and don't get the respect they deserve. It's one of the toughest jobs that exists.
Keep your citizenship but take your kid to Sweden. Best schools in the world.
Teaching is one of the toughest jobs that exists try construction or tree service or just about any job in the private sector
@@pauldaniels2766 been there, done both. Teaching is a much more difficult job, not even close.
@@pauldaniels2766 I'm a teacher and there's days I would rather be digging ditches, man. I work with kids everyday and they can really make for a shitty, thankless, toxic work environment. I don't think I deserve a big handshake for doing my job but it's a lot harder than you think, especially when they force a bunch of extra work onto you when you didn't sign up for it. And I mean no offence by this - but the simple fact that in the trades, 100% of your coworkers are adults and you don't have to manage children all day long, makes those jobs way less of a headache. Those jobs often pay more as well lol.
@Pizzurp We do way more work than we're actually paid for, as we have about a million other miscellaneous responsibilities on top of teaching and grading. We have retirement plans, yes, but I'm not sure what makes that a "handout." Summer is more like a month and a half when you consider how long teachers stay at work after students leave and how early teachers are back at work before students return, which is still good (I'm not complaining), but it's definitely not 4 months off. And even if there's no school on weekends/holidays that doesn't mean teachers aren't planning or marking. I wouldn't expect you to know any of this unless you were a teacher, so I don't blame you. However, you don't need to be a jackass about it either. I wouldn't belittle your job because I don't know a damn thing about it. There's pros and cons to every job and sometimes they aren't obvious to someone outside of that profession.
This is what happens when people want to fill their pockets instead of help prepare the next generation. In high school, some of my favorite teachers that actually gave a damn about their students were forced to go to other districts because they couldn't provide for their family's. My younger siblings didn't get the chance to have fun while learning because of it.
These people need to voted them out of office
Why is it around the world teachers are so respected but here they’ve earned four and a five year degree and get treated like they are not even important.
I have taught in three different countries and people would invite me home for dinner, and always revered educators and therefore made me want to do more.
well dont get it wrong, here in europe nobody cares for teachers either...
They are paid more than most. For results that would see you fired in any other line of work. Pretty simple metrics to grasp.
Schools have become indoctrination centers. Plus, nobody wants to hear someone with decent pay, good benefits, and more time off than almost everyone else, all while being protected by one of the most powerful public unions in the country, whine and complain about how bad they have it.
@@crowjones78 there are so many stupid people like you that exist in this world and i just wish that the teaching system that you bash now did a better job getting the rocks out of your head where your brain should be
@@veswacito You didn’t refute one thing I said. Keep watching cartoons in moms basement.
And when it comes time for layoffs, teachers go and administration stays
Administrator retention? Promote the teachers! They know what is going on.
The quality teachers left this place many years ago.
Baby Finster I’m not sure you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
You mean in 1970 when you were last in school?
@@bluesky5384 Lol
Agreed
Teachers and healthcare workers are so underappreciated...
Future Teacher here . If I don't care about the kids who will ? I'm not going into teaching for the breaks I'm going because I love working with kids and I care about them. If I don't step up who will?
@@theroadtocosplayandcomicco5840 I saw your comment was 3 years ago...I'm actually asking in a serious and non-sarcastic tone...how's it going for you?
Just like politicians who simply vote on their own raises..... literally the opposite of the world everyone else lives in. Fire them all. Unionize all the teachers, let them vote for their leadership and vote them out if they fail.
Beauracracy drains budgets. Streamline administrative jobs, and school board organization.
Sadly it is not just Muskegon, my wife left 18 years in Bellevue. Cut pay, longer hours, administration blaming the teacher for everything. This is systemic in Michigan... The administration never cared, and the school board only gave the Superintendent more pay, while lecturing teachers to sacrifice for their kids.
This isn't just a Michigan problem, this is a US problem. Thank you for leaving and don't come back!
@@JaneDoe-ze4uk don't like my comment, tough shit. Honey, I will offer my opinion any time I wish.
I was a MPS student up until 1994 when there were notes being spread amongst our lockers saying "Blonde hair blue eyed people are going down". And that summer I was jumped by a black female and male that ganged up on me and beat me bloody. Mr Zach was principal and I scheduled a meeting with him to be replaced into other classes since the girl who beat me was in 4 of 6 classes I had and as much as I cried and begged for a different schedule away from her, he said no way, schedules are set, just get along. Needless to say I skipped alot after that, failed classes and dropped out. Later I went to m-tec, got my GED and went directly to Baker college with the scholarship I earned and completed 2yrs with a 3.93 GPA in the medical field. No thanks to MPS, or Mr Zach.
I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope you know you are Beautiful the way you are blue eyed and all💙
That’s terrible!
Teachers are so important ! It's so great to see them stand up! We are dealing with the same in washington.
“What about the students” - the guy that’s there for a raise
Kids are entitled to an education. If they cant behave, then give them back to their parents. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with that bullsh.t
contradictory statement
Good for the teachers. Now this is the kind of thing I support 1000%.
It’s moments like these that I kinda wish to relive my school days with my adult mentality just to appreciate the teachers more compared to how I was when I was actually in school and simply wanted to go home and play games… still wanna play games today so not much has changed XD
yeah i was a shitty student and could often be mean or rude to my teachers. Boy did i suck. Wish i could do it again. or maybe thats just not an environment for kids (at least myself as a kid).
You have to watch to the end to really understand everything.
No.
What about? She just complained about kids she is teaching. What did she expect getting into that work? I wouldn’t want to teach anyone younger than college where at least some are there because they want to be.
Wouldn't have expected anything less from the corrupt state of Oklahoma. A bunch of crooks
DISGRUNTLED DEWEY not arguing but depends where in NY teachers on average make the most in Nassau county than anywhere else.
DISGRUNTLED DEWEY it’s a UA-cam comment section. Calm down buddy
DISGRUNTLED DEWEY if you can’t follow that comment then you have other problems.
Raises for administrators should be relative to how well their school is doing. They have no incentive to want the schools to do better, just like congress they change the rules to suit them.
Heard a lady say "Muskegon is a place where dreams die" I laughed because it is true.
tattooeddragon8 Springfield Public Schools: Hold my beer.
That’s so sad, teachers, healthcare, law enforcement and emergency services should be paid the highest
I work in water utility for a city. Sometimes we literally work all night long and we get no overtime...just come time to take off when we want. I come in filthy and so Tired I could drop most days. We are paid just like the teachers...with taxpayers dollars. We are the lowest paid department in the city. FAR less than teachers. All of us got a 1% raise last year. While the administration gave themselves 8% and the manager herself went from 130,000 to 160,000. The corruption is everywhere.
Much love to all of you from Baltimore Maryland
How is a teacher supposed to teach when the student comes to class, gets on their phone and totally ignores learning. Ok, so let's call home. What happens the next day? Sometimes that action is corrected and sometimes the students comes to class and gets right back to being on their phone and ignoring the teacher.
To fix this system, it will require wayyyyy more parental involvement in their children's education. Ask them how their day was or what do they have for homework? Better yet, with the example from earlier, take away that phone the child is misusing it. Teachers can only do so much during the day (and night/weekend planning) when you have to teach 15-30 students per class (and in HS you teach 5 classes). Think about the emotional toll of working at a school where you are cussed out everyday, or physically threatened by a student. Now you are only allowed to write the student up and just smile back. Try that for a week at your job...
So parents, help us, help you and your children, please.
Most kids are using their phone time more productively then you are. Sad, but the reality is you "involving" yourself is likely taking away potential avenues for your child's ultimate development as a human.
At either rate, most kids at least know how to cite sources before they make verifiable claims.
I survived 3 terms in an English school ( I am an Australian); I saw some fellow teachers born and bred in England who could not wait to leave after 1 term. I am now an old age pensioner, the best job I've ever had.
FIRST MISTAKE. Talking to the so-called members of the school board. SECOND MISTAKE. Thinking they will do anything to take money out of THEIR pockets. THIRD MISTAKE. Those people of the school board...probably laughed after all of the teachers left. FOURTH MISTAKE. Voting for the same people again who still insist..."WE NEED MORE MONEY!"
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach, administrate.
Sadly, I wouldn't doubt if nothing came of this. I work in education and can tell you this is rampant. It takes the community BEYOND the teachers/staff to possibly change it.
If the students don’t learn,should anyone get paid?
If the parents aren't willing to be invested in their children's learning and their general well-being and upbringing, should they be having children at all? Maybe that's the bigger question to ask yourself.
If kids are not taught discipline and respect at home, their chances of learning are small, and their behavior will negatively impact the chances of those students in the class who had a decent upbringing. These days teachers have minimal authority in the classroom.
@@jdsmith542 students don’t care...it’s blah, blah, blah...all day long...they only care to get back to social media on their phones...try to take one, or make them turn it off and there is hell to pay.
If we invested more in schools than we did in prison. . .we would need less of them.
Prisoners earn them more cash
Don't commit crimes we wouldn't have prisoners
Teachers have been shafted for years. I have nothing but praise for my teachers. They deserve far better. 😡
There's always so many of them on the board. You'd think they'd et rid of each other to free up more money for themselves.
My Dad was a member of my school systems board of education for 30 years, and my Mom was a teacher in that same school system for 35 years. Teacher contract negotiation periods were stressful times in my house. 😬
Also, side note: I couldn’t so much as sneeze at school without both my parents finding out about it. 😩
This is why I left my school. I loved my students, but I’ve been working in special education since I was 23 and I’ve never been treated the way I was at Escambia Westgate. The only reason I took the job was because I needed to start work ASAP and I know the kids needed me. I had to apologize to my students before I left and explain that it wasn’t them; that it was the school. Educators are all underpaid and overworked.
The only people on a board in ANY school should be Teachers And Counsel There shouldn't be ANY person on the board who isn't a teacher PLAIN AND SIMPLE! We don't need Biden comments from the folks sitting on their thrones we need FACTS!
Teachers are in the classrooms everyday busting there butts investing hours in class giving our kids an education and hours out of class prepping for the next days classwork. They're putting in the hours they are the ones needing raises. And parents need to fix issues at home too. The kids act out because they don't get the attention at home from parents. Parents pay attention to your kids.
This is exactly why I didn't become a secondary education teacher. Instead, I teach at the college level. I have enormous respect for secondary education teachers. I substitute teach K-12 and see the awful behavior they have to deal with. No administrator should earn more money than a teacher inside the classroom giving their all to the children they teach and care about.
Why do they even have these boards? Most of them have zero knowledge on the educational system. There is zero respect for teachers. 😡😡😡 We work hard. Unlike the board members.
This is why more parents are starting to home school their children.
Teachers FIRST
2:47 “There you go” is the less sassy proper way of saying “You Go Gurrrllll” 😂😂
This happens everywhere. Part of the reason is that school boards are in charge instead of parents. School boards are supposed to have the school's best interest at hand, but they don't know anything. They are just clueless.
Neither should the government but we keep letting them right
Am I alone or is anyone else reeling from the description of the behavior of 5-year-olds? I'm a teacher. I care about children. There is no way I could or would stay in a situation like that. It is abusive. Who's to blame?
Black parents.
Put most administration on a computer program. They are mainly a waste of money.
Taking money out of the classroom. I know those pesky kids get in the way of running a school district.
@@badpop987 Let the teachers and students work it out. The admin all the way to the top is largely a waste of taxpayer money. And believe me, they make most of the money. Salaries are way too high compared to teachers in the classroom. I'm a high school teacher (retired) of 30 years. So I know what I'm talking about.
clarkewi sarcasm must have got lost. It always does that in text...
I agree with your assessment. There should be far fewer admin folks eating up the resources meant to prepare our kids for real life. The schools are failing on every front.
There's a stark increase in Nihilism in children and teens it seems. Probably because they just are flooded with information to the point they feel nothing really matters. This really hurts passion and creativity among them. I'm only 24, but I work with a lot of people younger than me and teens. They find long-term goals risky because the future feels so unpredictable, but they don't know that that is how it has always been. You have to take great risks in life and accept your failures, because they are going to happen. You can always try something new and choose to learn from the mistakes. I think that's what needs to be taught to kids. Building a career is a great risk, especially when you come from a poor environment. So is pursuing a passion. People need to feel they can still do these things.
Served 12 years on a School Board in PA…never once voted for a contract that gave an administrator more money than a teacher!!! That’s outrageous!!!
All in favour of giving ourselves a pay rise...Say “aye”
Either everyone gets a raise or no one gets a raise period.
Administation gives themselves raises and teachers have to go through hell just educate kids.
The reason why there's no money for the teachers and staff is because the higher up are getting every penny put in their pockets, that's why they the teachers asks for help from the parents to pay for things.
Which means these guys getting paid to look the other way.
No educator in America deserves a raise today. all they deserve is the dissolution of their union nation-wide.
They will sit there and then say ‘I see your point’ or something like that…and then say ‘we will look at it’ and then go away and do nothing and still take the money…same in industry..you get what they want to give you
gotta love government! no matter how big or small they are always consistent.
I'd like to know why in my district......our Administrator gets nearly $400k annual salary......... Why the administration staff has increased when student enrollment has decreased and several schools and property closed, sold and developed.........Why is the administration budget carved out of the school budget that we vote on every year ??????
In Arizona we have "bond elections" every 6 months to 1 year. As soon as that happens the administrators vote themselves a pay raise. I vote no on all bond elections for the past three years.
Then you get bullied for not voted for it cause they tell you, "You hates the children".
This past year, the school district I work for, furloughed a bunch of employees on Mondays to save money. Bus drivers, lunch room workers, and even one on one monitors, leaving the students by themselves. But at the beginning of the year had voted themselves hefty pay raises. That was a punch in the gut. Then the bus drivers came to schools to paint, and rake leaves while the building and grounds employees, who were not furloughed, sat and gossiped in the teacher’s-lounge.
Give the money to Parents so they can place their children in Charter Schools.
Fools at the top and heros at the bottom of the pay scale.
I love math and I thought about being a math teacher. They don't get paid enough so I went into engineering instead.
The sad thing is that it's a positive feedback loop as well. People see how teachers get treated and the pay that comes with it, and decide it's not worth it... which deprives education of the good teachers, which makes it easier to justify not investing more into education... and cycle.
Omg i love that lady .... im from reeths puffer and i totaly see what shes saying . Their is a select few of us out here that truly deep down know whats going on with the funds . And if they would look real deep and dont put race or anything else like that in to this they will see that its a full circle the government realy dont want every single kid to be super smart . The government couldnt handle the whole country knowing that the people are smarter and stronger if we stick together and help each other succeed.
Insted they allow these schools to pay these teachers and school board members like pay rates that make no sence .the board members make bank and the teachers that are with these kids day in and day out get craped on they get pennies. All im saying is mps their higher up people are snakes and cowards . They are ripping us tax payers off every single day.
Me : What do you do?
Administrator: I'm an administrator.
Me : Right but what do you do?
YES. EXACTLY
Vote the administrators out of office......
Make the students clean up the school. Those who act out give them a paddle to the butt, repeat as needed!
How did this resolve?
"Imitating Intercourse" - might make a good name for a course! lol
*I wanna know the outcome, admins that allow student behavior like that to persist need to be fired.*
Liberal policies have brought us to where we are now.
You just show how ignorant you are. Liberalism has nothing to do with how we got here. It has everything to do with hollowing out the country by the corporate owners and masters of our elected politicians. Liberalism brought you a lot of things you enjoy today. Your view of the world is antiquated and corporate propaganda. Study english liberalism before you open your mouth and spew highly ignorant views that have NO historical basis.
This is the higher ups thinking they need a raise for doing nothing
@@logicfreedomz why are you so stupid? Oh yeah, you're a liberal.
I’m so tired of conservatives and liberals jumping at each other’s throats.... you’re not doing it right if you can’t have a respectful debate with someone else about your politics, you’re not doing it right.
@@jeffkeil1595 brilliant argument lol
Need to vote them ALL OUT. START AT THE TOP. FIRE THEM ALL WITHOUT BENEFITS
Maybe it’s time to spend less on your military budget and more on education and social programs and services that benefit the average US citizen?
Lowest test scores in the first world. Second highest spending per pupil in the first world. One tiny country of a population the size of NYC pays more.
Sorry pay is not the issue. Please name one state that teachers starting salary is less than the state median income? Does not exist.
Military protects all of us We are way down already.We can not take money from there the way things are.Problem is miss spent money being given to all other Countries and used and abused by government for illegals and bs programs and missing money.We need accountability where every single dollar goes and for what in an itemized bill for all taxpayers.Then we can determine where the problem is.
We must hold our government officials’ feet to the fire. ...And we need more union representation on the whole.
teachers unions are the problem...
Look at your highest paid government employees for the states it's either a college coach or school administrators that's messed up
Students may not be in school this fall because covid19 is still a problem in West Michigan. I will be watxhing developments over the summer months to see what the plan is.
Thank you Teachers for the good fight!! Fight for our Kids!!! Everything that is politicized turns into a money machine for profit!!! Our Children aren't products or produce!! Thanks Teachers!!!
Following the lead of Congress seems to be the norm now. How are these People continually elected to Boards such as this? They were voted in - vote them out.
Is a referendum available? Apparently it is necessary.
How long will this crisis continue?
Administrator is Management's special word for the old school "do nothing" jobs. It's a scam.
School taxes are so high how is there no money it's a joke
There's money FOR ADMINISTRATORS.
My wife has been a teacher for nearly 30 years (yes, with MS Degree). She says the problem is that the SCHOOL BOARDS AND ADMINISTRATORS refuse to have and enforce reasonable discipline policies. The solution is to elect school boards that set discipline as a top priority and monitor them and insist that they hire school administrators who understand that. IF you want to make things better for everyone, run for election to your school board. Get like minded people to run also. You CAN get elected and fix this mess. You can then see to it that policies that end the chaos are implemented and that school administrators DO THEIR JOBS. Then the teachers would be supported and backed up when they discipline disruptive students. Parents would again support and backup the teachers. Then the chaos would END. Schools would again be SANE asylums, as they were when I grew up. NEVER chaotic. No attacks on other students (ok, sure, there was the rare fight, but only between 2 students and not knock down drag outs), but NEVER an attack on a teacher. Ancient history, I guess. I graduated HS in 1964.