Why Horologists Love Seiko More Than Citizen!
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Hi Jory, it was me who ask the Question why Nobody talks about Citizen in the live stream 👍🏻
I wear my Timex Expedition more often.
Jory, I thought one of your Citizen bullet points was going to be "Citizen actually cares about chapter ring alignment".
I'm waiting for Jory to stop being blindly loyal to Seiko. I've switched to Citizen. Evo drives are amazing and they hit all the markers perfectly.
@@ams914 mine does not hit the marker's, sadly (Citizen Avion eco-drive). I still love it tho!
Mine is perfect
As it is the limited edition
Blue tooth
@@ams914 As wonderful as Citizen watches are - and I own a number of Citizen Eco-Drive watches - on many Citizen watches, the second hand does not land precisely on the watch markers with every circumnavigation of the second hand around the watch dial!
Love the Citizen NY0040 Promaster divers
You won't get anywhere near the qc issues with citizen compared to seiko. In fact I think seiko are taking the piss these days.
Agreed. Trading on their name and former reputation.
Citizen deserves more love in the watch community, Citizen is what peaked my interest in Horology. If you want a nice looking watch, that is also affordable (and reliable)
Citizen is a great option
I’m wanting a Citizen bad right now. I want Eco-drive, radio controlled, chrono, titanium, and sapphire. It can be had for around $700.
Bought a Citizen Eco Drive, titanium in February 2016 and still going strong.
An eco drive got me into watches.
But why have a citizen for 700$ when you can have a seiko for 700$?
I know it’s been a year since your comment, but it’s piqued not peaked
Usually I wouldn’t point grammar out, but here it changes the meaning of what you’re saying
It kind of sounded like you were saying that your interest in watches started waning after you discovered citizen, because after a peak, you only have decline
If not for the context of the video, I would not have understood what you meant
Citizen also owns Miyota so IMHO the comparison with Seiko is way more accurate than with Casio.
Not a bad point!
Yeah... Even some Casio are buying & using Miyota movement from Citizen
@@thetimeteller Same as Timex.
Eco-Drive was a real breakthrough in solar watches world. I have old very nicely looking Calibre (with moon phase) with original capacitor - it still works after 15 years (my son wears it now, he likes the face with roman numerals). I think some kind of Eco Drive deserves place in watch collection for it's historical significance next to GShock 5600.
Battery change is the deal-breaker fir me.
I have a 22 year old citizen eco-drive that seems to work as good as the day I bought it.
I couldn't agree enough with this eco drive citizen watches are nice for the price
I’ve had a citizen eco drive for 13 years and it still is ticking and looks pretty good despite lots of use. It will always been in my collection because I bought it when I was broke and it reminds me of my journey
You bought a watch when you were broke. Sounds like me. Citizen for the win, Omega for when you can afford it, nothing else comes even significantly close to them lol.
I just bought an eco drive brand new for $5!!! It's the best watch I've ever had for less than a sandwich! And I'm in the struggle rn
@@mranderson77 Wait, how did you get one for five dollars?
@@2steaksandwiches665 5 dollars... and a gun?
Eco-Drives are my no 1 watch of choice for friends and family for the same reasons you gave in the video. I've given 5 Eco-Drives as gifts already.
Yes! I gave my wife a nice Ball Midsize Hydrocarbon. I now believe I should have found her an Eco-Drive in a style she would love. I constantly have to set the time and date for her. She just doesn’t get wearing a watch that isn’t right every time she picks it up. The ladies Eco-Drive Citizens are all too flashy for her. Oh well…. Perfection is difficult to find.😱
@@jefferyneu3915 facts 😂, maybe you should check out solar casio's and seiko's.
Nothing beats ecodrive technology!
If I want an affordable automatic I go Seiko, if I want an affordable Quartz.(Eco-Drive), I go Citizen. Both are reliable, and will last. Plus Citizen has the cool Atomic time keeping.
Bulova is not bad neither as far as automatics and affordability, and they are under Citizen
Seiko also has the "cool" radio controlled, atomic clock time keeping, and solar/light powered complications. I prefer Seiko due to their longer history, they were the first to introduced the quartz driven movement (which crippled the Swiss mechanical movement for precision, reliability and economy), their leadership in the automatic arena. Both automatics and solar powered are ecology friendly by eliminating the need for replaceable batteries. I believe that Seiko has better customer service. Both Seiko and Citizen are high quality watches, so other factors must be considered to make a choice.
@@anvilangst7573The brand history is really the only difference
Casio tough solar and atomic… is equal or better. Wearing two of them for more then a decade and enjoy.
I'll side with Citizen every time. I am a dive instructor and have 3 or 4 Seiko dive watches, a Doxa, a couple of Omega Seamasters, and 3 Citizens. Other than for show, I always wear my Promaster Diver for work. >1000 dives on it.
The Citizen Blue Angels family is eminently collectable for aviation, field, and military watch fans.
As is the Captain America titanium.
Aviation enthusiast here and I just got a blue angel watch, best watch I ever had!!!!
I have Casio’s, Citizen’s and Seiko’s. I wear a G-Shock more than any other watch. I love my Seiko’s and enjoy wearing them the most. If I were to gift a watch to my nephew/son/brother it would be a Citizen.
That is exactly what I am looking for , a watch for my nephew's 16 birthday ... Still on the the hunt 🤠
Tengo G shock, varios Seiko, un Orient. Me falta un Citizen
You make some interesting good points,
but I would also like to add that
the finishing on Citizen watches particularly on the entry level models are generally on a higher level than the Seiko's are.
Seiko's start's to compete finishing wise as one goes up the price scale.
The design aspects of most of the Seiko's are generally much more appealing than most of the Citizen offerings plus Seiko invests more aesthetically into the look of their dial's than Citizen does.
I would say Citizen's are superior when it comes to quartz teqnology and Seiko more so in their mechanicals.
I have owned both Eco Drive and reqular Citizen quartz watches in the past, and both lasted more than twenty years of daily use whithout missing a beat.
I would always recommend them whithout hesitation.
Lastly, Citizen watches are on a much higher quality and price scale than Casio.
Casio exsell mostly in their digital watch offerings. ⌚
Agree 100% all valid.
Does Seiko manufacture Quartz too? Never saw one.
@@MegaRizm ,
Yes, actually they were the first to invent and then produce quartz watches before anyone else did.
Check out Amazon for example, you'll see many Seiko quartz watches on offer.
@@MegaRizm Yes. I have a Seiko quartz.
@@MegaRizm Seiko is widely credited as the first "major" watch manufacturer to make and promote quartz movements. The Swiss watch industry almost shit themselves before they figured out how to respond and survive. lt's also the reason that the Rolex Submariner, 1680 l bought for $375 in 1975 and sold for $1500 in 1985 is now worth between $22k and $30k. At the time, that seemed like a decent profit.
I own both and love both. I am a HUGE fan of CItizen's Promaster line, they are tough as nails, always working, always accurate, look good and personally, I think Citizen does far better with their QC. Citizen also has their 'Chronomaster' line and just released another line of ULTRA high accuracy (also ultra expensive) movements/watches. I love both brands, but you cannot get nearly the quality/features per dollar with Seiko that you can with Citizen.
I disagree, I give the edge to Seiko and unless you are a trained, professional Horologist, my opinion is just as valid as yours. I do also, have some favorites among the Citizen watches, Bulova and even Casio (the Edifice series). For me, precision, accuracy, function and style are first consideration, with economics being the next consideration, although, I won't needlessly overspend for any specific function or style.
For precision, Citizen and Seiko are top dog with their atomic clock radio controlled complications. Next in line is the Bulova Precisionist series (262,000 Hertz quartz crystal at +/-10 SECONDS per year vs 26,800 Hertz at 2-3 MINUTES per year for other manufacturer's). I absolutely LOVE the Bulova continuous sweep second hand...just like a high end Swiss movement.
Personally, I think all of the big 3 Japanese watch makers are pretty comparable as far a appeal to the general public. They all have their strong and weak points. I own more Citizen watches that Seiko or Casio, but I like them all for different reasons. I might add that all of the watches I have from the big 3, are solar powered, and function beautifully. I don't see much point in buying a battery quartz watch in this day and age, where similar solar powered watches are so readily available. Solar is more ecologically friendly, and more reliable...ever had a battery watch die on you when you need it most? So, unless there is something particularly special about a quartz battery watch (like a Grand Seiko), I don't see the point in buy one. But that's just me, to each their own. Great video, great topic!!
I have Seiko, Citizen, Casio, Timex, Russian, homage and vintage watches, and love them all... if it tells the time and looks cool, it's fine by me... 👍⌚
I love both. I'm lucky enough to have a Citizen facility in my town, and once a year they have a "sidewalk sale" where all watches are up to 90% off!
Where are you located lol
@@joseasap5129 Torrance California! Come on down!
Wow, in Torrance, good to know. Thanks for the tip. What time of the year do these fire sales usually take place?
@@FabienTeulieres93 It's the Thursday, Friday and Saturday the week before Thanksgiving. Lots to choose from!
@@FabienTeulieres93 It's the Thursday, Friday and Saturday the week before Thanksgiving. Lots to choose from!
Oh man! I love them both! But my heart definitely leans more Seiko. ❤️
Citizen vs. Casio would be interesting. I'm a big fan of Casio's Edifice Line
Zero complaints about my EcoDrive. It's the watch I use to check or set the time on my autos.
citizen is hitting the higher end this year with their super pricey in house movement automatic watch. I think citizen still needs to bring the watch size down and introduce more interesting designs. But it has potential for sure. they have lots of cool stuff that they barely advertise like the quartz watch that loses like 3 seconds per year.
I’d have to agree with you. The size is what really bothers me. The sizes are just a bit too big.
I like big watches!! But nothing larger than 43 mm which is what most of my Citizen watches are.
Citizen do make some lovely watches that don’t have cross eyed workers putting their watches together
As an amateur watch builder that has no depth perception, I must say that I think I could do better than Seiko!
Another thought….Seiko still has the “it is just a Seiko” vibe to it when it comes to non watch people. I have met at least three Grand Seiko wearers in the last year and as soon as I said “nice watch, Seiko, right?” the were extremely grateful and happy I noticed ….chatted watches a bit, but every time they all said “yes the new spring drive GMT, or whatever blah blah blah- it is even better than Rolex…..instantly putting themselves under a microscope or wanting validation or whatever….pretty much like they are trying to convince themselves it is better than a Rolex….
Here is the thing…..if you want a Rolex….buy it…..Seiko will NEVER have the cache of Rolex….it will have the cache of Citizen and Bulova though……always……always…..to non watch people at least….when I have met Citizen watch wearers. They simply say. Yeah it is just a Citizen, but I love it…..they don’t quantify it….they just love it…..will watch nuts like us know that SpringDrive is cooler than EcoDrive…yes. Will anyone else…..well……go ask anyone on the street which costs more a Rolex Airking or a Seiko SpringDrive (use the Sgla007 for arguments sake)……they WILL say Rolex…..they will also want the Rolex….soooo the point is…if you want a Rolex - buy one…not a Seiko….want a bad ass Seiko…buy a spring drive….want a great Japanese watch that won’t break the bank….buy a Citizen
Yeah… I’m not…reading all…that…
@@modernclix29 that's fine. Wasn't written for those that don't want to read it !
What's with all the dot dot dot.......?
@@timwillocks4695 signifies a pause or break in thought….could use a comma, semicolon, or dash…..anyway…..be well…..
@@ExpeditedProductions okay......I .....see....peace....out
I think Citizen offers much better bang for your buck but their designs are a little uninspiring, but they do have some great models here and there. They also offer much better fit and finish in their absolute lowest tier watches compare to seiko. IMHO most of their Promaster series is better looking than Seiko equivalents.
Casio much like Citizen can feel a little nondescript in their design. Their designs are quite busy for my taste.
Ideally i would like a watch with CItizens EcoDrive tech and Seikos Presage dials.
You missed to mention that Citizen also own La Joux Perret, a Swiss movement manufacturer, which also own brands like Angelus and Arnold & Son. Citizen also make cheap watches like Q&Q for the lower masses consumers and high end collections like Campanola and Chronomaster (also called 'The Citizen). Most of which follow watch UA-cam channels are of course a watch enthusiasts hardcore or not. You are right about the average Joe, they does not know much about brand history or tier level of most watch brands. They buy because the design interested them, affordable in their price range, convenience quartz or solar which is a grab & go watch and accuracy.
As for Seiko, most of their collections are from their previous old catalogs. Example; Turtle, Tuna, Monster, 300MM, 62Mas, Capt.Williard and etc. Seiko hardly have new design comparing to Citizen. How Seiko is targeting their watch enthusiasts, are to keep making and selling the same watch design with changing different colors (and specs sometimes), like what Casio is doing with their G-Shock; example DW5600 and DW6900, just keep changing the colors of strap and case.
Citizen and Seiko are both great watchmakers brand with rich history and well recognize in the horology world. Citizen are more adventurous in their collections with new design and innovative technology. On the other, Seiko loves to look back their old collections and reissue them for sales. For conclusion I love my Japanese watches, Citizen, Seiko and Casio (even Orient too)☺️
If Citizen put out more automatic watches in the 250-500 dollar range they would clean house
Citizen is a bigger company, and sells more watches than SEIKO too. It's just that most of their reaaally good lines tend to stay inside Japan and can only be bought as JDM imports. Chronomasters, Exceeds, Attesas, Campanolas etc etc. It's somewhat unfortunate, but oh well..C:
Citizen is also world leader on Titanium alloy/coating technologies (see Duratect), and they license their tech to other companies, even outside the watch industry too!
Citizen does have some great watches like THE CITIZEN,Fugu divers,rick mears tough eco-drive,as an example.however they have a lot,and I mean a lot of watches where there is so many things going within the dial its hard to get a quick read,very cluttered and quirky designs.
I prefer citizen to seiko any day of the week you have superior build quality and QC from a citizen watch
Any seiko under £500 comes with a cheap bracelet mineral crystal and a dated movement
I started getting into watches thanks to my Nighthawk. Citizen will always have a special place in my heart
Citizen got The Citizen Chronomaster lines and the 001 caliber though, I have no idea why enthusiasts always go with GS’ 9F if they want quartz. Go Citizen!
I don't actually get it, but at the same time I do prefer seiko for the looks. But I have a seiko 7002 and a 74 citizen 21 jewel day/date and the citizen has manual wind, the seiko doesn't. They didn't put manual wind in their watches for a long time even in the skx007 to my knowledge. So for me, my heart says seiko, but my head says citizen is a better, I feel I get more bang for my buck with citizen.
It boils down to design language; namely, Seiko has one, and markets it better. E.g., everyone mentions that Seiko grows its own quartz crystals; well, so does Citizen. Or that Seiko is completely vertically-integrated; so is Citizen (Citizen does Seiko one better, and manufactures the equipment used to make its watches). Seiko is much, much better at managing their brand image. (It also helps that Seiko's design language appeals to enthusiasts, since most models are sporty-dressy, and feature case sizes in the enthusiast-preferred 36-to-40mm range. I couldn't even begin to describe Citizen's design aesthetic since it's so jumbled.) Seiko designs better watches; Citizen builds them.
As a machinist, the fact that Citizen is a leader in screw type lathes because they wanted to make their watches better is the reason I got into watches and why I'll always love Citizen.
If I recall correctly. Citizen make the most accurate watch you can buy with the Calibre 0100.
What drives me crazy about Citizen is the oddball lug widths.
It WAS annoying trying to finding a strap I love for my Blue Angels. Fortunately, Barton makes the silicone Elite in the needed size.
A 20mm band works really well on a 21mm watch using 21mm springbars -- especially a leather or elastic band will spread ever so slightly to cover a gap that was only 0.5mm on each side to start with.
Citizen for the win!!! Eco drive baby!
I think Citizen makes better watches but Seiko makes better looking watches. I own several of both and that has been my experience.
That may be the most sensible comment here!
I owned one Citizen, and the build quality, accuracy, lume, was superb.
But it lacked soul.
So I sold it and went back to my imperfect Seiko…
Having had both, if I had to buy only one of these brands for the rest of my life it would have to be Citizen.
Incorrect
My money, my choice. 😉
i started with Seikos but Citizen has captured my heart. QC is better for Citizen now. I love my Citizen Jp2000-08e diver more than my Tuna now
Citizen also bought Ateliers de Monaco, their watches are the ones that can content vs Credors or the upper level Grand Seiko (or even Patek, Vacheron, Lange, those levels basically).
On first date, they ask you "what do you do for a living?" "I'm a Horologist" you reply. Be very careful with your pronunciation and intonation! Better than saying "I'm a Proctologist" I guess!
i would pay 25 shrute bucks for that sourpatch.
Casio is just on another level compare to any other watch brands.
I agree.
God tier
Agreed. A god amongst men.
Two words
MILLED
CLASPS
Same as Timex
I think the fact that Seiko makes more (and better) mechanical movements, is a big reason why. I love Seiko. I also love Citizen and own 3 or 4 eco-drive watches all of which are high quality, well made watches. I enjoy quartz as well as mechanical watches.
Looks like a gummy butthole. Pass! I have a Seiko Alpinist. I never wear it. I have a citizen grand classic auto. It’s beautifully made, has a 24 hour indicator, date window and a power reserve complication. I never wear it either.
Good video, thanks. When you look at the divers line of watches Seiko are definitely more iconic and collectable and look better and appeal more to collectors. However, if you compare a Citizen Eco Drive diver to a Seiko Solar diver, Citizen is way better value ie signed crown, solid end links, milled clasp, comparable loom and a chapter ring that is aligned properly. And you can get a ISO certified Citizen diver for about €210 from a bricks and mortar store with all of the above. Some Seiko divers more than 3 times that price don't offer that level of finishing.
You have one major mistake there. Not Seiko, nor Citizen appeal to a true watch collector. Not to mention Casios. You wont be able to replace a Seiko, or a bunch of Seikos or Citizens with a true collector's owned watch. Having said that; We know that Citizen has its own high end watches. They use the brand 'The Citizen' to market very high end and high quality, some are limited editions watches. A good example is the 0200 caliber watch. It is just like Seiko uses their own high end brand, the 'Grand Seiko'.
The comparison between Citizen and Casio is somewhat ridiculous. The brands aim for a much different niche. While a Casio watch suppose to be filled with the latest features, keeping the best technological value and advancement, Citizen is aiming more towards bringing a watch to the consumer for what it is - a watch.
Eco drive + radio control is the best combo for reliable timepiece. Sure, it depends on geography, but I think in Europe and Japan Citizen is unbeatable in this category.
I have many citizen &,Seiko ,citizen in my collection last longer ,like there design more. Citizen put less $ad.than Seiko, unfortunately the newer one charge quite high .
I've had a few Seiko automatics and I like them but here's the problem they all needed adjustment after a week or two as they weren't accurate.. Casio does not measure up..
I’ll probably get flak, but i think, in the 1000 (£/$) and below bracket Seiko are overrated.
Citizen has the single most accurate watch model ever created on earth.
Seiko just has better marketing.
Citizen watches have never let me down. Seiko watches have repeatedly.
the high end citizen have the same quality as grand seiko. and citizen has the incredible cal.0100 with plusminus 1 a year! i collect both brands.
Citizen makes the most accurate Quartz watches - and some really high end stuff
Seiko has been helped by featuring in a heap of movies
Citizen makes cool and interesting watches, but then you look at the dimensions. 42-45mm dress watches, 45-50mm sport watches. Put ‘em on a chain and hang ‘em on your neck like Flavor Flav.
With over 70% of US citizens and 53% EU population being overweight, 42 is a good size for more than half of clients. Other than that, Citizen has a lot of smaller watches. Jomashop search on Citizen Men's watches sized 35-40 mm gives you 123 results, Seiko 155 results. Having said that ideal size of dress watch for me is 38-39.
@@vprdlj it just seems every time I see a cool looking Citizen, I go to the description and it’s 45mm. Thanks for the heads up on Jomashop, I’ll check it out.
I have always been impressed with the quality of both the Citizen and Seiko watches. I really could not choose between them.
I love Eco-drives, and I have several in my collection (my two faves being my AT4004-52E PCAT and my JR8030-51L Blue Angels Skyhawk). I also have Seikos there, and I love them, too. But, push come to shove, I'll take Citizen over Seiko any day of the week.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. It's almost Coke vs. Pepsi. Once I swore on Pepsi, now I only drink Coke. When I was younger and "liked" watches I wore a Citizen. When I grew older and became more of an "enthusiast" I gravitated to Seiko. Funny how tastes change because Citizen does make some great pieces. My formal dress watch is a Bulova that I have had for over 20 years.
My dress watch is a Bulova also. Both Citizen and Bulova make amazing watches in my opinion and are probably the best affordable companies with brand prestige (at least in my area).
Mine is an undetectable Ziarex fake Submariner......
Only kidding. l like quartz movements. Really good mechanical watches are great, relatively inaccurate examples of highly developed, antique engineering. Really cool in concept, but hardly the best option for an accurate, reliable, very low maintenance timepiece.
Have three Citizens, all Eco-Drive, and four Seikos, one 5, two solars and a Kinetic (well, the last one I gave to a second cousin that I love like a son). While the Citizens have never failed me, always a second to three per month, The Seiko solars and the Kinetic their capacitators stopped working, I had to put them new capacitators, and one is waiting for the fix.
Meant one to three seconds ahead...
My citizen pro master is a shockingly solid piece no qc issues
For the same reasons why people like Rolexes over Omegas . I am myself a Seiko/Casio person , also an average Joe , however I own an Omega Seamaster quartz (James Bond ) which is 26 years old an looks and works the same as the day I bought it and I would pick any Omega over any Rolex despite their resale value or shit like that , I don't sell my watches , I keep and wear them . Seiko and Citizen , Rolex and Omega , Patek and A.P . It's a matter of taste, not quality .
In comparing the two brands, check out two things. 1. The bracelet for fit, comfort, and workmanship. and 2. Quality of case finishing and dial operation. I have both brands and I think Citizen wins….hands down. Their bracelets are finished better, are more comfortable, and feel like an expensive watch bracelet. A lot of Seiko bracelets just feel cheaply made. The minute and second hands of Citizen watches line up on minute markers on all my 7 watches. The bezels on my dive watches have the “0” marker line up perfectly with the 12 marker on the dial. With both of my Seiko divers, the bezel “0” was on one side of the 12 marker or the other. Also the second and minute hands were slightly off the minute marker when the second hand hit 12.
Little things like this cause me to favor Citizen. And…the Citizen Eco Drive is just a butt kicker. Just put them on and go. And they are ungodly accurate. Citizen watches are under estimated. They make damn good, accurate, and affordable watches.
Citizen has much fewer quality control issues
Seiko just plays dirty, throw in fancy things which have zero long term value. Then they over-advertise it and all their customer just lose money. Citizen is at least honest. You get what you pay for.
I used to be all Seiko. Till I bought a Citizen. I hate to say it but you get more quality. No misaligned chapter rings, second hand always aligns, etc.. Citizen has a TON of automatics. Oddly, they don't really offer them in North America. I've found Miyotas to even be more accurate.. Eco Drives are super accurate. The Citizen quartz is almost the quality of a Seiko 9f for almost half the price. You can't beat Citizen. Look at the Campagnola line(spelling..sorry). Some of most complicated quartz movements . But Seiko seems to have a cooler history. But Id rather a Citizen Fugo titanium than a Seiko Shogun..
Yeah the Campanola series are very interesting (& complicated) watches but priced between $3,000 & $5,000!
I have had a Casio (W-250 Marlin) since 1982 (and it still works) and currently having 5 Casio's (all operational) and I have had Citizen watches since 1986 (two retired, three operational in current rotation) Seiko's since 1994 (sold one, still have 4 operational) and two Orient watches and two Orient Star watches (all those 4 Orients in current rotation) They all form my Japanese watch collection. And they form the daily use watch rotation. They are all good. But for me it is often choice between Orient and Citizen, as Seiko's tend to be "background players" (unless really needed specific function eg Chronograph) in use 'sometimes' and "Casio's tend to be in use when going gets tough..." So, from my viewpoint; Citizen vs Orient might be even more interesting than Casio vs Citizen... As said, they are all good watches...
I’ve never seen a Seiko keyboard 🎹.
Casio wins!
Really the answer is simple,Seiko has bolder design's,it's all about the eye candy.I have a Citizen eco drive pro dive,love it,but it is one of Citizens bolder designs,not your typical dive watch...And those all limited editions from Seiko,people love to feel special,nothign makes them happier that a reasonably price watch with ONLY! 3000 produced.I also have a cheap Seiko SK 809.its my work watch,small so it doesnt get in the way much and cheap enough if it gets knocked around in really doesnt matter to me.
A lot of citizens vintage pieces which I have some in my collection are very underrated and cool. Like the crystal seven for example.
This shouldn’t be a seiko vs citizen. They are both good japanese watch brands.
I think Citizen is great. I do think that their design and models are a bit more out there than most Seiko's and that's why people maybe don't talk about them as much, but they have some amazing watches with beautiful finishing too. Talk about the Series 8, the Caliber 0100 dress watch, the "in-house" Caliber 0200
Don't forget about the Bulova Precisionist. +/- 10 seconds a year and affordable. I've had mine for 3 months and 0 second error.
As a watchmaker I love them both, but I miss the awesome automatic chronographs from the 70s...
I’ll be honest …I own both. Citizen Promaster Diver that goes on dives, Citizen Skyhawk Blue Angels and Atomic, and Citizen Nighthawk…..also have 4 micro brands with Miyota ( spelled Citizen) auto movements…..I also own a Seiko SKX007, a Flightmaster, and two micro brands with Seiko movements….I would hands down 100% say Citizen beats the ever living out of Seiko dollar for dollar…..as long as the prices are comparable then Citizen wins. Does Seiko win on the higher dollar stuff yeah….sometimes. Start comparing Citizens other brands to Presage and GS….nope. Swings back to Citizen again…..Seiko is more loved by collectors because you can mod it more easily. If I had to pick one brand of the two for the rest of my life …I would HAPPILY pick Citizen
Seiko has a better heritage and range.
I just bought the Citizen Kurashiro, it compares well with any Presage, mine has the Green dial so I'm pleased with Citizen's efforts in the Automatic Mechanical sector
I only bought my Citizen is to use it as a beater around my workplace. But holy hell it sure takes a beating.
I recently compared one of the newer Seiko 5 models that retails for about the same as my Citizen Nighthawk, to my watch. The Seiko felt like a much cheaper watch. The bracelet felt cheap, the finishing on the case was not as nice… My nighthawk feels like a much more expensive watch compared to that one. I wanted one of those Seiko until I saw it in person, now I don’t. I ended up getting a BN0151 and throwing it on a Barton silicone strap. I’ll stick with my Citizens.
Citizen is trying to get more serious in the watch collecting world. They had a recent purchase of swiss movement maker La-Joux Perret, and created the Citizen, their first high-end watch. The watch is beautiful with a killer movement, a bit overpriced though. Thanks for the video Jory
The GS is overpriced as well to be fair, I guess they are just trying to rake in a high profit like everyone else.
@@jh565bb yea, you are probably right about that
I have one Seiko solar watch and it’s extremely accurate for a free-running quartz. However the radio-controlled Citizen watches are absolutely great with zero setting requirements. And their detailing and materials are just as fine as Seiko with beautiful, meticulously crafted dials. Casio for me is about G-Shock but their more conventional watches are nothing to write home about IMO.
I have both makes in my collection but I lean towards Citizen, mainly because I do a lot of hiking and scuba diving and I have tool watches by Citizen pro-master range that are great back ups for both activities.
Saying that though, one of my dream watches and the watch il have on my wrist that will tell me not just the time but also that I'm doing well, will be Grand Seiko.
Great video and topic. Casio is God tier by the way 👍
For me, Seiko is the "house of exquisite craftsmanship"
Citizen is fun, but they inspire no lust in me.
you‘re not supposed to get a boner from a watch
Seiko man myself, grand, king or any watch with a Seiko automatic movement I'm all about it..
I’d like a Casio v. Timex
That's right, I have 4 Citizen watches and love them.............3 of them are Eco-Drives and 1 is an automatic.
Citizen just follow their philosophy, wich is brandet in their brand: citizen xD. Just affordable, reliable, good watches for everyone. And to be fair: you don't have to care about the the minority of watch enthusiasts, if in allmost every fashion watch on this planet is a movement from Citizen/Miyota.
I wish Citizen’s Chronomasters would get more love. +/- 1 second per year! Looking forward very much to a Casio/Citizen comparison.
Casio will win. They own the budget space that non-watch enthusiasts live in. They'd beat anybody
The budget Casio analog watches also houses the Citizen Miyota movement. Even the ever popular MDV106 Duro (Marlin) uses a Miyota movement. So Citizen wins too 😅
Timex
I think you're right at this point, but Citizen just released the 200 series an entirely new generation of high-end calibers at premium prices, so maybe Citizen is planning a comeback at the top tier.
How about orient?
Although I love watches, I am not a collector, but I buy the watches that I need for my activities. Of course: I prefer that they be mechanical, if possible.
In that sense, for diving, I have chosen a Citizen Promaster Fugu.
For travel, I use a Seiko GMT SSK003.
And for paragliding, and sometimes for diving too, I use my Casio BM 100w Altimeter Barometer Depth Gauge.
I have both. The quality construction and feel of my citizen watches is always superior to seiko. The seiko feels cheaper. That said, the seiko movement/ accuracy is always superior to citizen. Seiko only a few seconds off. Citizen a few more seconds off. Both beautiful time pieces.
I thick citizen are a lot better watches, and cheaper
Two years later, Seikos pricing really bugs most enthusiasts, while Citizen has come up with the Tsuyosa, the Series 8, Super Titanium and even the "The Citizen" is gaining traction slowly.
Have you seen the Citizen Series 8? Beautiful!
Okay. So Citizen owns Alpina. I did not know that. I’m a Citizen fan through and through. My first “adult” watch is an old school, all black, chrono Nighthawk. Still have it. Still love it. I now have…4 Citizens? A couple Bulovas. I just sold a Longines Hydroconquest. ANYWAY. Costco has Alpina watches at times, and I always wondered if they worth anything and whether to look into them or not. Good to go I’m guessing? Any certain ones to stay away from?
Citizen is better
The amount of blind love Seiko gets from watch enthusiasts, despite the commonly acknowledged QC issues of recent times, is for me a bit off-putting. Furthermore, there are so many comments talking about Seiko's 'soul' (or even Casio's - LOL!) vs. Citizen's lack of one...wtf? Never heard anything so ridiculous...at least with regard to brands like Seiko, Citizen and Casio.