I feel that last point stongly. The humans be like "it's just a tree that's sacred to them" and the science lady is like "no, it's a connected network, like a brain, so it IS important" and the implicit message is that their traditions only matter if they have a scientific base... pretty colonizer-y if you ask me
I remember liking the bit in the second half where you watch Jake Sully's human body slowly degrade and atrophy as he uses it less and less and begins to lose all interest in it. I don't know exactly why I liked that part, or at least I can't put it in words, but I definitely did like it.
I rewatched the movie in preparation for the sequel. It bothered me that Grace only defends Navi spirituality because it's based on something she can scientifically measure and observe. And she does it while dissing real religions that people still follow.
conceptually, a film about a Na'vi child learning about this world alongside the audience would've been more meaningful and longer lasting in film culture memory.
Good to know I'm not the only person who realized how deep in the colonialism and white savior complex upon a second watch. I watched it for about fifteen minutes (the point where John 'Chosen One' Protaginst does the body swapper thing) and realized how awful of a story amd morals the film had.
The first half being a loving exercise in world building is actually rather on point I think. It reminds me of many of the old fashioned sci fi novels and short stories of the 1900's that I still vaguely recall reading. Most of everything written loosely follows a plot, but your there to learn about the intricacies of the world, the characters personal life drama is just a thrown together vehicle to get you to where the details are. The amount of times I've read a few chapters that hang on showing the life cycles and private customs of species and organizations that actually play no vital part in the story only to than move on is charming to me. Its a strange balance though, as the desire to have a checkoff's gun (set ups and pay offs) feels overwhelmingly common place to me sometimes. I mean, I enjoy the set up and pay off structure, but it does become creatively bland after a while.
I dearly wished to like the last hour of the heterosexual alien colonialism movie after a captivating first stretch too, and with basically the same rationale, but I ended up consistently loving the sequel for various reasons, so that's been nice enough. awesome video btw
I think the way Avatar The Way of Water took away some of Jake Sully's narrative power benefitted it greatly. When he inevitably becomes the big special boy again in a future movie, I'll probably be frustrated again.
The visuals of this movie tell a much better story than the plot, the visuals are also more thematically coherent than the plot. Nothing conveys how important the connection to nature is better than having it literally shoved into your face, seeing the characters in a space where they constantly touch and dig their toes into this nature. You yourself almost feel the leafs on your skin. This movie is actually substantially better in 3d. The second half looses a lot of that unfortunately and has its problems, but it culminates in the embarrassing defeat of the army and worthless executives, so I don't really care. I also think it is fairly good at making the effects of colonialism clear, by making a lot of the less tangible effects literal. Anyways, I'm rambling
If only Neytiri was the one to be Toruk Makto - basically all my problems with this movie would have been fixed right there. Cautiously optimistic for Way of Water anyways.
It’s all worth it for the Disney ride to exist tho. Like flight of passage is the only theme park ride that has given me feelings I would describe as aesthetic. It has moved me nearly to tears. And I am a pretty hard mofo. Allegedly.
God yeah, I've had to watch this movie many many times cos my younger sister loves it, and once the white saviour shit turns it up to 11 i just tune out completely. I get so bothered by the "wow the random white guy who just learned how to even survive around here was capable of catching the huge bird dragon that everyone fears by literally just jumping on its back, and people LOVE HIM for having the scary bird even when they know he provoked the destruction of their sacred home" my brain shuts off completely, I was hoping the 2nd movie was gonna be just the pretty fluff from the first 2/3rds of the first film, but seeing there's humans in the trailers i really really don't think it will be, and I'm ready but also not ready for disappointment yet again
Ooh, this is good stuff! Also, is your name a reference to Autechre’s Parhelic Triangle? I love that song! Edit: I have seen your first video and it definitely is!
i watched this movie once in theatres (it's the first and only movie i watched in 3D) and I promptly forgot about it within a week. possibly the biggest-budget least impactful peice of media i've ever seen. (the only thing impact it had was it made me never wanna see another 3D movie again)
I feel that last point stongly. The humans be like "it's just a tree that's sacred to them" and the science lady is like "no, it's a connected network, like a brain, so it IS important" and the implicit message is that their traditions only matter if they have a scientific base... pretty colonizer-y if you ask me
I remember liking the bit in the second half where you watch Jake Sully's human body slowly degrade and atrophy as he uses it less and less and begins to lose all interest in it.
I don't know exactly why I liked that part, or at least I can't put it in words, but I definitely did like it.
Trans?
@@the1truepickaxe298 oh
@@dracorex426 is that a good oh or a bad oh?
relatable
Fully anticipating having the same "wow cool world" "oops bad plot" experience for way of water and i cant decide if im excited about it or not
So how did it go
@@ivymuncher I saw it last week, "wow cool world" "oops bad plot" is an incredibly apt way to describe the experiance.
@@Cheese_Cretin haha, great to know OP was accurate
“this scene was better in adastra” lmao
the fucking wheeze i let out at "this scene was better in adastra." 100% accurate, no notes, perfect.
Space Pocahontas
Ah, yes, Avatar, my favorite 2 hour movie, weird how it ended so abruptly, maybe they'll explain what happened in the sequel
I rewatched the movie in preparation for the sequel. It bothered me that Grace only defends Navi spirituality because it's based on something she can scientifically measure and observe. And she does it while dissing real religions that people still follow.
"This scene was better in Adastra" god what a iconic line
conceptually, a film about a Na'vi child learning about this world alongside the audience would've been more meaningful and longer lasting in film culture memory.
Good to know I'm not the only person who realized how deep in the colonialism and white savior complex upon a second watch. I watched it for about fifteen minutes (the point where John 'Chosen One' Protaginst does the body swapper thing) and realized how awful of a story amd morals the film had.
The first half being a loving exercise in world building is actually rather on point I think.
It reminds me of many of the old fashioned sci fi novels and short stories of the 1900's that I still vaguely recall reading. Most of everything written loosely follows a plot, but your there to learn about the intricacies of the world, the characters personal life drama is just a thrown together vehicle to get you to where the details are.
The amount of times I've read a few chapters that hang on showing the life cycles and private customs of species and organizations that actually play no vital part in the story only to than move on is charming to me. Its a strange balance though, as the desire to have a checkoff's gun (set ups and pay offs) feels overwhelmingly common place to me sometimes. I mean, I enjoy the set up and pay off structure, but it does become creatively bland after a while.
"This scene was better in Adastra" holy shit I spit out my drink, so true
points at you
I dearly wished to like the last hour of the heterosexual alien colonialism movie after a captivating first stretch too, and with basically the same rationale, but I ended up consistently loving the sequel for various reasons, so that's been nice enough.
awesome video btw
I think the way Avatar The Way of Water took away some of Jake Sully's narrative power benefitted it greatly. When he inevitably becomes the big special boy again in a future movie, I'll probably be frustrated again.
The visuals of this movie tell a much better story than the plot, the visuals are also more thematically coherent than the plot. Nothing conveys how important the connection to nature is better than having it literally shoved into your face, seeing the characters in a space where they constantly touch and dig their toes into this nature. You yourself almost feel the leafs on your skin. This movie is actually substantially better in 3d.
The second half looses a lot of that unfortunately and has its problems, but it culminates in the embarrassing defeat of the army and worthless executives, so I don't really care.
I also think it is fairly good at making the effects of colonialism clear, by making a lot of the less tangible effects literal.
Anyways, I'm rambling
**GASP** DIOS MIO **uses hand to gesture a cross** You're... a Heterosexual!?
i like men a lot, i'm bi though
+10 for the way you said Jake sully
If only Neytiri was the one to be Toruk Makto - basically all my problems with this movie would have been fixed right there.
Cautiously optimistic for Way of Water anyways.
It’s all worth it for the Disney ride to exist tho. Like flight of passage is the only theme park ride that has given me feelings I would describe as aesthetic. It has moved me nearly to tears. And I am a pretty hard mofo.
Allegedly.
tree 911 was pretty good idk what u on
God yeah, I've had to watch this movie many many times cos my younger sister loves it, and once the white saviour shit turns it up to 11 i just tune out completely. I get so bothered by the "wow the random white guy who just learned how to even survive around here was capable of catching the huge bird dragon that everyone fears by literally just jumping on its back, and people LOVE HIM for having the scary bird even when they know he provoked the destruction of their sacred home" my brain shuts off completely, I was hoping the 2nd movie was gonna be just the pretty fluff from the first 2/3rds of the first film, but seeing there's humans in the trailers i really really don't think it will be, and I'm ready but also not ready for disappointment yet again
Ooh, this is good stuff! Also, is your name a reference to Autechre’s Parhelic Triangle? I love that song!
Edit: I have seen your first video and it definitely is!
you make good videos in my opinion
greatest furry I have ever seen
i watched this movie once in theatres (it's the first and only movie i watched in 3D) and I promptly forgot about it within a week. possibly the biggest-budget least impactful peice of media i've ever seen. (the only thing impact it had was it made me never wanna see another 3D movie again)
Drop the Way of Water vid!!