I hope that you realize that the cleaning rod keeps the band springs from being depressed. You are supposed to remove the cleaning rod before attempting to remove the bands.
Makes sense! Don't think it mattered much in this situation especially considering the spring wasn't even in the locked position. That is definitely a helpful tip for the future though, thanks!
That right there is what the firearm collector sees in their nightmares. Unfortunately, when I rubbed my eyes, I still saw that absolute tragedy onscreen
These were the kind of rifles no one bought back in the 80s and 90s, even in absolute awesome condition. They almost had permanent residence on the used racks at the local gun n pawn. I just bought an 1873 springfield trapdoor, (1874 manufacture) untouched and it wasnt even close to this much trouble. I love your no nonsense take on these old ghosts. It takes me back to my 20s when i collected these kind of rifles because it was a very inexpensive collector market for young guys with no cash. Times have changed i see😮.
That is based on ignorance, the Spanish Mauser are decent rifles they are the ones that kick the rough riders assess in San Juan and Kettle hill. The Springfield rifles initially had problem with their breech that cracked because its metal could not stand the 30-06 pressure and once it was corrected was a good rifle. Spanish rifles are good, I own one and I don’t give a crap what collectors say about these rifles.
Hunters Lodge has always been a gamble. It being run like a 1960's mail order business also turns people off. Before the internet "Allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery." was standard for mail order. It drove me nuts as a kid when I ordered something out of a magazine or comic book. It took more than 2 months to get my Pocket Fisherman! Buying any used gun sight unseen is risky and that goes double for surplus. Sadly, we are at the bottom of the barrel for surplus these days. Every 1916 Spanish Mauser I have owned or dealt with has had pitting on the wood line and needed a lot of clean up. Even back in the 90's. It just seems to be if you want to risk the cash on the roll of the dice. The M43 looked good, the Gew 88 was supposed to be junk, and the Enfield was listed as rough as well.
Funny you mentioned that pitting in the wood line- I have two bought 20 years apart and they both have that same wood line pitting, not bad, but there - the first one I bought back in the late 70s pre import marks, was a scrubbed rile and had excessive headspace - still have it but it’s a wall hanger ....
These are model 1893 Mausers made in the Royal armory in Oviedo Spain. They were made in 7 by 57 Mauser. Many were converted to 7:62 NATO. They have a bad reputation for people shooting 308 Winchester in them. They tend to blow up.
These were chambered for 7.62 NATO according to the original Spanish manuals for this rifle/conversion. So they were never meant to be CETME only. I would try the steam method, convert that rust back instead of using chemicals or abrasives. Mark Novak's channel has a good vid on how to do it, I think he even did one of these same rifles now that I think about it. That should be a 100 dollar rifle max, even in 2023.
A few years ago at a gun show I bought a M 1916 , tagged 7mm . After I arrived home and really looking at it , it was stamped .308 . I use the 7.62 NATO ammo in it , no problems . I just recently acquired anther M 1916 , this time in 7mm , it also took me awhile to loosen up the front nose piece
That's not that bad.....give it a good boil and carding. Maybe 2 cycles. I bought a pair of them from Samco a few years ago. Great bore but chunky with rust. After a bit of work cleaning rust and blueing it came out nice. Still have the second one waiting it's turn on the bench.
I got like 4 of those crazy (orange rust) super rusty 1916 with those Lange Vizier sights for $100+ from centerfire (with flat rate shipping, still cheap if buying bulk). I don't know if they got that huge batch from Hunters lodge, but it sure is in that rusty condition. It was a pain to take it apart, I messed up the screw (which is still easy to restore back to functional condition) and damaged some of the wood, but repairable. It took days to loosen everything up. Those band springs were difficult. But... Given how those stocks are selling for 200+ and the handguard selling for 75+ in ebay. I say it is worth it, since I have so many barrel+action+Bolt that I got from OWS a few years back for 30 bucks each. The barrels are almost in the same condition as well, but at least showing the a small portion of the bullet (in the bullet test). One thing that is cool and surprising is that those rifles were all matching, from stock - trigger guard, barrel, to action. (bolt not included)
Well I do enjoy doing conservation work but, I’ll be honest the cost to time ratio for hunters lodge is beyond ridiculous. I would probably pay 100-200 at a gun show for it but waiting for months to get that is just.. wow. Hopefully the barrel isn’t too pitted/ rusted through.
In this case I certainly think it's better to spend the extra and know what you are getting. For 200 bucks I'm still not super upset though, just worried about the muzzle.
It's cruddy but the rifling is strong. This weapon was not well cared for. It probably went through the Spanish Civil War and probably was not cleaned very often-and it shows. I'm optimistic that if I can remove that one lousy screw, I can bring this peice to about 90%. The rust will come off, but the pitting will remain. Most will be under the wood line and what's visible isn't too terrible.
What hurts me the most is that it was made in 1922 and the mauser oviedo was widely used during the civil war, so this rifle most likely saw action during 1936-1939, it's a pity to see it in such conditions, also many rifles were offered to civilians during the civil war too
I like rolling the dice. If Hunters lodge would accept credit, I'd take a chance even more. Wow, they might have liability issues based on wrong caliber stamping. I'd probably take off the "308" and stamp 7mm.
I picked one of these up at a sweet store in Dallas back when I first got stationed out that way. To this day, it's still one of my primary hunting rifles. We actually thought it was a 7mm, given the Spanish origins, and so did the store. Found the "308" stamp under the cleaning rod after getting home LOL. I tend to stick with Remington 308 ammo for it it, with no issues at all. I did strip it down and completely refinish it, as I thought the gorgeous tiger striping being hidden by that drab Spanish stain was outrageous. After that, though, it's been a real fine and handy rifle. Certainly worth picking them up in good condition, but I wouldn't recommend ordering one. Always be able to pick it up and physically see it in person.
Actually, that will clean up nice. I've had worse. It's not so bad. If you enjoy cleaning on these old milsurps, this one can be a fun project. Agreed you can find a nicer example for not much more money. Looking forward to the updates!
@@ReadinessReviews No , I mean when you get new (surplus) stuff in , I think alot of us like to see a before and after . but an in progress kinda' thing . Kind of like Mark Novak does .
the m43 I bought, had a cracked stock, along with a shot out barrel and no blueing and the head space closes on a field gauge. Hopefully you head space your m43. hunters lodge tried to fix the crack stock by putting brass screws in.....THEY WENT THRU A PERFECTLY GOOD HAND GUARD WITH THEM! The only part of the rifle that was in good shape and they messed it up...That and it took 6 months and numerous calls to get them to ship. I finally contacted the firearms news ad department and they got them to finally send it.
I recently bought a M1916 Oviedo Mauser from Hunter's Lodge. I paid for a hand select, with a cleaning rod and a sling. On the outside it looked to be what I would expect for a rifle made in 1930. The safety was stuck in the fire position, and It was next to impossible to remove tha action screws. I had to use a hand impact screw remover, but I finall removed it without damaging the screw heads. I still haven't been able to remove the butt plate screws, or the screw holding the front sling swivel/front barrel band. I used several applications of penetrating oil and even a small butane blow torch to apply heat to the screw with no results. God only knows what I'm going to find under the wood line, IF I can ever separate the barreled action from the stock. I don't mind doing the clean-up work, but I do need to be able to break the rifle down to do it. I could probably use the hand impact screw removal tool, but the bits are much too big for that small screw. I am seriously thinking about demanding a refund. I don't think I'll ever buy anything from HL again. The walk away price for this rifle with the options was around $300 dollars + shipping. For what I received, I was robbed. So don't let the low price suck you in. For what you'll pay, you get crap.
Even if the front band springs were in good shape isnt it a 2 person job getting it apart? I tried to depress the spring and use a rubber mallet to get it off but i had to have a friend help. and the thing was in like mint condition.
Use a clamp and a screwdriver bit. Lay the bit on the spring and place the clamp on the barrel and the bit and tighten. Then tap the band off. Also, use a brass punch so that you don’t damage the barrel bands.
My old SAMCO-bought "Guardia Civil" FR-7 in 7.62/ 308 was pretty good, but the band retainer springs were somewhat rusted into place. I had to use a wood dowel and a light hammer to break them loose. After cleaning off the rust they were OK It seems the Spanish never removed the wood with these when cleaning as they're all rusted where you can't see it; only how badly varies. Mine is not stamped with the caliber anywhere. It headspaced good and both locking lugs bear evenly, but the poor bore doesn't shoot the best. Good enough for southern woodland deer hunting ranges and safe with commercial 308Win. Mine does it's best with slightly underpowered reloads; deer don't notice the difference. Military ammo is best avoided with these conversions as it runs at a somewhat higher pressure than the commercial 308 loads; certain rounds especially so. The 7mm runs at lower pressures so if the gun is good there shouldn't be any safety issues with those. My guess is that the ones showing up on the market now are the last and worst examples from storage with all the better ones long gone by now. If my guess is right some of these might not be safe to fire as there might be some rejected examples mixed in inadvertently. These have clearly been stored with zero attention for quite some time so confirm the chambering, headspace, and lug engagement before putting effort into it. Even with the old SAMCO guns examples of mis-matched bolts and unsafe headspace have been found so excercise extra caution with these.
Love the variation of your collection. I feel your pain on caliber guessing. I once bought a large ring 8mm Mauser barrel on ebay. After installing it I could never get it to chamber 8mm. Took some calipers to it and found the bore to be 7.62mm. I then shot a 7.62x51 out of it only to have it morph itself into a straight wall cartridge. Did some more measurements and it turned out I had somehow bought a 30.06 Mauser barrel that had the military style steps cut in it. I still have never been able to figure out it's country of origin. Any ideas where to research?
If it’s in 30-06 there’s a good chance it’s a South American rifle, although Norway did convert captured K98s to 30-06 post war and Belgium also fielded some 30-06 FN Mausers. Who’s the manufacturer, model/ pattern of Mauser, and any markings/ proof marks?
@@serioussoldier7977 Thanks for the reply guys. Finally had a chance to break down the gun to look for markings. It has a Century Arms import marks and then nearby under the barrel it just says Germany. Back behind the rear sight there is a capital F and I near each other. Not nearby and stamped larger is a Cyrillic G. The one barrel band for the stock was distinct and had a hook on it. The front sight doesn't seem to match anything else I've found and was my hold up for thinking it was a Belgian, or South American rifle. However I suppose someone could have replaced it in an attempt to sporterized it. Best way I can describe it is similar to like a Persian Mauser front sight protector but a lot smaller. It would not be able to take a standard Mauser hood.
@@ReadinessReviews Thanks for the reply. I finally had time to break down the gun again. What I found was a CAI import marks along with Germany (however I suspect they just stamp all Mausers as Germany to import) Behind the rear sight a capital F and I. Also nearby but stamped differently a Cyrillic G.
Sorry you got a big project. My ugly truck gun is an M1916 7mm I picked up at an estate sale. Lots of rust from the past was evident. But the prior owner thankfully hosed it down and oiled it down very well. It shoots pie plate accuracy at 100 yards. My only grumble is I will replace the rear sight with a Mojo click peep at some point. Maybe give it a new sporter stock too. Lots of folks down these old rifles. But they are great farm guns for the truck. Where you know it's going to take a beating.
Soak the hand guard in Acetone. The use accureglass to repair cracks. Don’t use the gel kind. Standard gets into the cracks way better. Gel is better for bedding. Give the hand guard a coat of linseed oil.
How and why people buy this junk from Hunter's Lodge and RTI is beyond me. Yeah, some may function but bringing most of them back to life, considering the lack of parts anymore is kind of sketchy. Back in the day buying from places like Century was a crap shoot as to what you would get but most of the time you received a pretty solid piece. The only issue then was the grease and not knowing any information about the rifle's production armory or date. My biggest gripe and lack of understanding of the "new" collector is how much you pay for 99% of this stuff, especially to RTI. In fact, I suspect you could often do much better at GunBroker. Bottom line is that the golden days are over. You missed it. No amount of junk will bring it back.
I bought mine in the early 90s for 166 bucks from S.I.R. here in Canada 🇨🇦 and it shoots 308 just fine,all the action was fine but the stock i had to refinish it 🙂👍
I have 1 that is way worse. Painted gloss camo with a paint brush. A crazy amount of pitting. Stamped 308w on the barrel. Has 308 and 7.62 carved into the stock with a pocket knife. A 30 cal bullet fits like your did in the muzzle test
The three stripes means an inert training rifle not meant to be fired. Some of them had a fused or blocked breech to prevent people from inserting ammunition to it.
Hey READY.. I just ordered one from H L on 6/20/2022 I dont except much at $166.88 LOL. But i hope i can take it apart to clean it. Glad i ran across your video on how to take it apart and what to expect. This will be a project for sure, and a video for sure. THANKS
Is there any place that has 1895 and previous style firing pins? I have a really nice 1893 turk mauser and id like to have a spare for it. numrich, apex, and liberty are out of stock.
I really think the bore is Correct for the 308. The rifling is too tall to be wore out. Really clean and examine the chamber. Maybe the 308 will fit after that. Btw, I have a 308 1916. It’s a great shooter. If you’re worried use 7.62x51 nato. They create about 1000 less lbs of pressure. The wolf 308 is the exception. It creates 1000 lbs of pressure less than 7.62x51. They download their 308 ammo
Well the test case HL included with the rifle was a 7mm case and the neck wasn't super blown out or anything. I agree the chamber needs to be well cleaned before shooting though.
I'm betting someone will watch this video and go out and order a few of these nice rust heaps. RTI and Classic Firearms have some that look like this and "oh well, lets roll the dice" and Boo Hoo mine is a rust heap. and on and on it goes.
I have one that I have not yet fired . I is also marked 308. I would like to hearwhat a gunsmith would say about the pressures . Also if it would be feasible to re- chamber it to 7.62 x39
to see if the bore is good i like to just look at the inside of the crown. if u can clearly see the rifling touch the end of the muzzle it should be good. if not well use flat based bullet lol
My Enfield No.4 Mk.1 just came in from Hunters Lodge.It took 22 days to get here..I'm going to need about 10 parts . I just posted the video on my page...
I've ordered several things from them and have had great experience with dealing with them. It's takes them some time but for the reasonable prices they have for this stuff you can't really complain about the timing. I enjoy taking these things apart to clean and retouch so I have enjoyed my rifles, I just wish my 1916 had a crest on it like yours but tons of them were scrubbed off so it's no fault of hunters lodge on that. Have fun with your projects and thanks for posting your experiences
may be late, But ever you find yourself with a stuck screw on a gun again like this, they make something called a manual impact screw driver I believe? Long story short its a screw driver you use with a hammer and its acts like a impact driver but dose not break the screw. It ha saved me meany screws and time with such items like this and I thought I would just share the info. Looking good my man stay safe and shooting!
Seeing that 7X57 mm is originally a relativity low pressure round and it is now loaded commercially to lower pressure yet it may be safe to shoot. That is if the pitting is not deeper than 1/16 inch, or 0.0625 inch/ 1.58 mm. Or heavily grouped in any area. Even then I think I would shoot cast bullet loads
To expect Spanish and Latin American Mausers without rust is unreasonable. Ultimately, as long as the degree of rust doesn't render the weapon unsafe it's a win under $250. With a shootable bore a definite win. Are these candidates for Griffin & Howe class sporters? No. But no rifle made prior to 1950 should be in 2024, unless Bubba got to it and it can't be refanged, i.e. remilitarized. Do Spanish Mausers fit the bill as low price scout type rifles? That's their niche. With a small ring (non Swedish) Mauser your options are 1). Remilitarize OR 2). Remilitarize & "Scout" OR 3). Spend money to do a CG80 style target/marksman rifle in 6.5x55 - some might consider 7.92x57 as it has the same operating pressure as 7x57 (with greater bolt thrust), but only IF there is proper gas vent/shielding on a small ring Mauser and if the action is NOT soft, nor evidencing setback and is not a Sanford & Son rust monster to start. 7.65x53 is another caliber to consider for such a project. .308 Winchester should not be considered because of certain setback and failure of the lugs with any serious regular use; since 7.62x51 is the (usually) lower pressure variant of .308 Win. some might consider it, but people have to think about whom the rifle is passed on to and what type of ammo will be available in the future. A regular diet of .308 Win. is not a good idea for small ring Mausers. While small ring Mausers won't detonate (unless you shoot them with obvious receiver cracking/warpage or with hot rounds loaded with pistol powder generating 200000PSI+), setback of the lugs will occur when running hot.308 Win. or a steady diet of loads over 56000 PSI, headspace will drift, extraction will be increasingly difficult until the action locks you out and the breech freezes. It's a good idea to get a 3 die set of gauges if you rebarrel a small ring Mauser. As soon as it swallows the nogo gauge it's done and needs to be addressed by a gunsmith (probably retired). Under no circumstances should any weapon be fired which swallows a field gauge.
No offense, but I've picked up working Mausers for considerably less than their asking price for their junk Mausers. Went to a Family reunion a few years back. A cousin who lived close by offered to let me see a Mauser he'd picked up from Hunter's Lodge for $595. I didn't crack a smile when I saw it. Just remarked he had a lot of work ahead of him. He asked if I thought they "took" him. Since he asked, I answered in the affirmative. He also made the mistake of asking what I'd have given for a rifle like his. I told him a hundred dollars would have been pushing it. Throat erosion, parts destroyed by rust, etc. is not something I take lightly. No one else should either because such things take time and good money to put to rights.
Ive had the. 308 1895 mauser chileno small ring since sportsmans guide sold em in the early 80s, never had any issues. That whole dangerous to shoot rumor is crap. Same with my gewehr 88s, the turk barrels and czech bolts are new, theres no original . 318 bore barrels left, theyre all. 323 replacement barrels from the 1930s and 40s. Wives tales
HL didn't do any repairs or maintenance on any of the guns they sold. No dealers do that. Also rust is fairly easy to deal with. Remove as much as you can with oil and a brush, de-grease in acetone, then boil in distilled water. That will convert the rust and stop the corrosion.
There's this new invention; it's called Kroil and is a penetrating oil that works well at loosening rusty screws. I bet if you used some of that or an equivalent product those rusty screws would come out easier. Most of the UA-cam gunsmiths and tinkerers use it. Good luck.
I wonder if that black paint signifies a DP rifle. Though usually they will pour slag into the chamber of those. And this is what I'd expect of a DP rifle, pretty up the outside and who cares about the underside...
Well I'm in lol....I rolled the dice this week with HL. A "hand select" Oviedo in 7x57 for $250 and a Carcano carbine "in cosmoline" for $109. If they actually show up I'll try to remember to file a report here 😂
Well, 2.5 months later and still waiting lol. I did manage to finally get thru on the phone and spoke to James greatest, he's a good dude. I expect the order will get here sometime midway thru month 3. I actually ordered a couple more items last week so.... I'm getting used to this i guess. Between HL and RTI i think I've developed an incurable taste for abuse 😂😂😂
I finally got the Carcano and a later order i placed for a Spanish M43. The M43 was $99... it cleaned up GREAT and the bore looks good too. I'll need to replace 1 part but it's only $20 so no biggie. Stock has tons of small dings, and I mean TONS. After a good bit of steaming that mostly smoothed out. The Carcano.... well, it wasn't an 1891 Artillery.... turned out to be a TS 2 which is funny because i is just got in an RTI TS 2 a couple weeks prior. That said, the HL TS2 is in MUCH better shape than the RTI and bore looks great. Only thing wrong was the rear site adjutant lever is missing the little button. No biggie for $109. I paid $200 for the RTI and it has a huge stock gouge just aft if the nose cap and the bore is trashed. Very little finish as per RTI standards lol. I'm let you know what the Oviedo looks like when it gets here. Also waiting on an 1893 Spanish and an FR8.
Get yourself a tub or tray long enough to drop the entire gun in, and cover it in Kroil. I generally would not soak wood in oil, but I don't think it will retain anymore oil, grease and dirt than these old mil surps already have on and in them.
Very worth the risk if you have unlimited time for the seller to give you the runaround, while figuring out their broken antiquated fulfillment "department", and to be shined on by their unprofessional and rude staff. In all fairness. The latter is probably a symptom of the former
I ordered 2 of their mine shaft specials. A M1916 & a M1943. Got 2 M43s but they got the bolts right. 1 is for a 1916....😮💨 I might get shoot them an email and just order a 3rd rifle. A 1916 and ask them to ship a 43 bolt with it. Instead of paying for a bunch of shipping fees to get the right bolt, might just be easier and cost effective to get a 3rd rifle. I was already thinking of just fixing up the extra 43 for funnsies and sell it to get my money back for the 2 rifles.
@@ReadinessReviews I was dumb, the bolt was an M43 bolt. I'm happy so far with what I got, I haven't gotten them apart yet, but 1 is numbers matching. I might make a video showing what I got. I also didn't make a precise invoice so partly my fault. Considering emailing to ask if they have anymore of the 16s and order one....Or maybe order one of the cleaned up 1916s...
This looks like cast off junk from Century International Arms that WAS in St Albans Vermont. In 1995 they moved to Florida, so how long has this junk been sitting around over here?
Did you find out anything more about the "Bore" ?? Ive had many of these rifles in the past.... And if your bore is still good you can fix or get another stock from "Sarco Inc." in Pa. and parts are still kinda easy to get from the usual places online for this rifle.. Let me know how ya make out..... be well..... K.A.G.
I was going to take it right out and shoot it but now that I have it all torn down I'm going to get it all cleaned up first. I have several other projects in front of this one so it'll probably be a while before I get to it.
well , get cha a wire wheel on a grinder , then proceed to 120 grit sand paper and oil , degrease re-blue and order a new stock ... worse case scenario you get a cook off and its bye bye nose ...
Are you sure that’s a 1916 Spanish Mauser because I have one and the front sights are not like the ones on yours Your rifles sights look like the sights from a gewehr 98
DUDE ! NEVER EVER NEVER EVER do bench testing with LIVE AMMO! What the H**L? If you can't figure out the caliber, do a chamber cast with Cerrosafe. applies to the barrel bore too. cast and measure. And you guys that shoot a .308 and hope for the best.... sheeeesh!
For safety purposes, you should have put the " flag" safety in the middle position or better yet, removed the firing pin/ spring/ safety assembly by simply unscrewing it. Seeing the condition of milsurp weapons these days, it is sad to see that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for guns to put on the market. I feel sorry for those who missed the heyday of the surplus market.
I hope that you realize that the cleaning rod keeps the band springs from being depressed. You are supposed to remove the cleaning rod before attempting to remove the bands.
Makes sense! Don't think it mattered much in this situation especially considering the spring wasn't even in the locked position. That is definitely a helpful tip for the future though, thanks!
@@ReadinessReviews cannot figure why people keep ordering from these guys when you get trash...wtf, you like being screwed over?
@@charlessedlacek5754 alot of men like getting screwed nowadays. Some even remove their own penis
@@justinpennington7682 yikes......how sick is that?????
They were still obviously frozen anyway. Even with the cleaning rod inserted, there should have been some play.
That right there is what the firearm collector sees in their nightmares. Unfortunately, when I rubbed my eyes, I still saw that absolute tragedy onscreen
We are going to revive it!
These were the kind of rifles no one bought back in the 80s and 90s, even in absolute awesome condition. They almost had permanent residence on the used racks at the local gun n pawn. I just bought an 1873 springfield trapdoor, (1874 manufacture) untouched and it wasnt even close to this much trouble. I love your no nonsense take on these old ghosts. It takes me back to my 20s when i collected these kind of rifles because it was a very inexpensive collector market for young guys with no cash. Times have changed i see😮.
That is based on ignorance, the Spanish Mauser are decent rifles they are the ones that kick the rough riders assess in San Juan and Kettle hill. The Springfield rifles initially had problem with their breech that cracked because its metal could not stand the 30-06 pressure and once it was corrected was a good rifle. Spanish rifles are good, I own one and I don’t give a crap what collectors say about these rifles.
You're right about your assessment. I got my Spanish Mauser for $290 plus FFL fees and haven't run into any issues besides a little bore corrosion.
Very nice! Hard to beat these days.
Hunters Lodge has always been a gamble. It being run like a 1960's mail order business also turns people off. Before the internet "Allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery." was standard for mail order. It drove me nuts as a kid when I ordered something out of a magazine or comic book. It took more than 2 months to get my Pocket Fisherman!
Buying any used gun sight unseen is risky and that goes double for surplus. Sadly, we are at the bottom of the barrel for surplus these days.
Every 1916 Spanish Mauser I have owned or dealt with has had pitting on the wood line and needed a lot of clean up. Even back in the 90's. It just seems to be if you want to risk the cash on the roll of the dice. The M43 looked good, the Gew 88 was supposed to be junk, and the Enfield was listed as rough as well.
Yup it's risky.
Funny you mentioned that pitting in the wood line- I have two bought 20 years apart and they both have that same wood line pitting, not bad, but there - the first one I bought back in the late 70s pre import marks, was a scrubbed rile and had excessive headspace - still have it but it’s a wall hanger ....
These are model 1893 Mausers made in the Royal armory in Oviedo Spain. They were made in 7 by 57 Mauser. Many were converted to 7:62 NATO. They have a bad reputation for people shooting 308 Winchester in them. They tend to blow up.
ACTION. RATED AT 43.000 P.PSI
308 WIN. AROUND 53,000
These were chambered for 7.62 NATO according to the original Spanish manuals for this rifle/conversion. So they were never meant to be CETME only.
I would try the steam method, convert that rust back instead of using chemicals or abrasives. Mark Novak's channel has a good vid on how to do it, I think he even did one of these same rifles now that I think about it.
That should be a 100 dollar rifle max, even in 2023.
Oh man. You brought knowledge. Not appreciated amongst the milsurp nerds. Don't waste your time.
Note to self, never order from Hunter's Lodge
A smart decision lol
@@ReadinessReviews where in ga are you from bro, im a native Georgian
@@totallynotafed8786 Lamar/Spalding County area.
@@ReadinessReviews oh dang im from south fulton
A few years ago at a gun show I bought a
M 1916 , tagged 7mm . After I arrived home and really looking at it , it was stamped .308 . I use the 7.62 NATO ammo in it , no problems . I just recently acquired anther M 1916 , this time in 7mm , it also took me awhile to loosen up the front nose piece
7.62 NATO is definitely the way to go. Less pressure than 308 Winchester.
Another fantastic review! Keep posting
Thanks!
That's not that bad.....give it a good boil and carding. Maybe 2 cycles. I bought a pair of them from Samco a few years ago. Great bore but chunky with rust. After a bit of work cleaning rust and blueing it came out nice. Still have the second one waiting it's turn on the bench.
Nice! Yeah I have no doubt this one will clean up just fine. I'm unsure of how it will shoot though.
I bought one from SAMCO years ago and it came out good. It has some pitting but no barrel damage.
I got like 4 of those crazy (orange rust) super rusty 1916 with those Lange Vizier sights for $100+ from centerfire (with flat rate shipping, still cheap if buying bulk). I don't know if they got that huge batch from Hunters lodge, but it sure is in that rusty condition. It was a pain to take it apart, I messed up the screw (which is still easy to restore back to functional condition) and damaged some of the wood, but repairable. It took days to loosen everything up. Those band springs were difficult. But... Given how those stocks are selling for 200+ and the handguard selling for 75+ in ebay. I say it is worth it, since I have so many barrel+action+Bolt that I got from OWS a few years back for 30 bucks each. The barrels are almost in the same condition as well, but at least showing the a small portion of the bullet (in the bullet test). One thing that is cool and surprising is that those rifles were all matching, from stock - trigger guard, barrel, to action. (bolt not included)
I saw those. I was very tempted to order a couple but not having the bolt was a deal breaker for me.
Mavz hi .. it took you some days to get it taken apart ? i just ordered one. Guess i am in for a real project then.
You bought despite all the bad reviews and warnings.....you deserve this.
Well I do enjoy doing conservation work but, I’ll be honest the cost to time ratio for hunters lodge is beyond ridiculous. I would probably pay 100-200 at a gun show for it but waiting for months to get that is just.. wow. Hopefully the barrel isn’t too pitted/ rusted through.
In this case I certainly think it's better to spend the extra and know what you are getting. For 200 bucks I'm still not super upset though, just worried about the muzzle.
It's cruddy but the rifling is strong. This weapon was not well cared for. It probably went through the Spanish Civil War and probably was not cleaned very often-and it shows. I'm optimistic that if I can remove that one lousy screw, I can bring this peice to about 90%. The rust will come off, but the pitting will remain. Most will be under the wood line and what's visible isn't too terrible.
What hurts me the most is that it was made in 1922 and the mauser oviedo was widely used during the civil war, so this rifle most likely saw action during 1936-1939, it's a pity to see it in such conditions, also many rifles were offered to civilians during the civil war too
I like rolling the dice. If Hunters lodge would accept credit, I'd take a chance even more. Wow, they might have liability issues based on wrong caliber stamping. I'd probably take off the "308" and stamp 7mm.
I'm usually down for a gamble too. I was really afraid of making the HL order though.
Wow...you've got me thinking, now I really need to dig into my M1943 Spanish Main Battle Rifle that I got from them that I did my video on...
My M43 is pretty solid all around. Worth a look though.
I ordered some FRENCH/GERMAN MAB D Hand guns and colt revolvers would be cool to see a review on them and keep up the great videos!!
Hopefully they are nice! I would totally take a chance on the handguns but they won't accept a C&R license for those.
@@ReadinessReviews interesting, they are pretty cheap was told the barrel muzzle is missing but I found they fairly easy
I picked one of these up at a sweet store in Dallas back when I first got stationed out that way. To this day, it's still one of my primary hunting rifles. We actually thought it was a 7mm, given the Spanish origins, and so did the store. Found the "308" stamp under the cleaning rod after getting home LOL. I tend to stick with Remington 308 ammo for it it, with no issues at all. I did strip it down and completely refinish it, as I thought the gorgeous tiger striping being hidden by that drab Spanish stain was outrageous. After that, though, it's been a real fine and handy rifle. Certainly worth picking them up in good condition, but I wouldn't recommend ordering one. Always be able to pick it up and physically see it in person.
Actually, that will clean up nice. I've had worse. It's not so bad. If you enjoy cleaning on these old milsurps, this one can be a fun project. Agreed you can find a nicer example for not much more money. Looking forward to the updates!
Yeah, I think it will clean up pretty well. Just hope it shoots okay.
All of us want to see a tear down and complete
cleaning of ALL the surplus stuff you get .
Is that sarcasm?
@@ReadinessReviews No , I mean when you get new (surplus) stuff in , I think alot of us like to see a before and after . but an in progress kinda' thing . Kind of like Mark Novak does .
@@dimestoreharry3344 oh! Okay lol. I like doing videos like that too so I'm sure you'll see some in the future.
Those black stripes means this rifle at a time was a drill or training rifle.
the m43 I bought, had a cracked stock, along with a shot out barrel and no blueing and the head space closes on a field gauge. Hopefully you head space your m43. hunters lodge tried to fix the crack stock by putting brass screws in.....THEY WENT THRU A PERFECTLY GOOD HAND GUARD WITH THEM! The only part of the rifle that was in good shape and they messed it up...That and it took 6 months and numerous calls to get them to ship. I finally contacted the firearms news ad department and they got them to finally send it.
I recently bought a M1916 Oviedo Mauser from Hunter's Lodge. I paid for a hand select, with a cleaning rod and a sling. On the outside it looked to be what I would expect for a rifle made in 1930. The safety was stuck in the fire position, and It was next to impossible to remove tha action screws. I had to use a hand impact screw remover, but I finall removed it without damaging the screw heads. I still haven't been able to remove the butt plate screws, or the screw holding the front sling swivel/front barrel band. I used several applications of penetrating oil and even a small butane blow torch to apply heat to the screw with no results. God only knows what I'm going to find under the wood line, IF I can ever separate the barreled action from the stock. I don't mind doing the clean-up work, but I do need to be able to break the rifle down to do it. I could probably use the hand impact screw removal tool, but the bits are much too big for that small screw. I am seriously thinking about demanding a refund. I don't think I'll ever buy anything from HL again. The walk away price for this rifle with the options was around $300 dollars + shipping. For what I received, I was robbed. So don't let the low price suck you in. For what you'll pay, you get crap.
Oof, yeah that's no good.
@@ReadinessReviews How did you get the cleaning rod out. I've been told that it must come out in order to remove the nose cap.
Nice video. Very helpful. Thanks
Thanks for giving it a look!
Even if the front band springs were in good shape isnt it a 2 person job getting it apart? I tried to depress the spring and use a rubber mallet to get it off but i had to have a friend help. and the thing was in like mint condition.
Use a clamp and a screwdriver bit. Lay the bit on the spring and place the clamp on the barrel and the bit and tighten. Then tap the band off.
Also, use a brass punch so that you don’t damage the barrel bands.
@@g.leebihm2588 good idea thx
Having an extra hand is certainly very helpful. I've taken them off solo before though.
My old SAMCO-bought "Guardia Civil" FR-7 in 7.62/ 308 was pretty good, but the band retainer springs were somewhat rusted into place. I had to use a wood dowel and a light hammer to break them loose. After cleaning off the rust they were OK It seems the Spanish never removed the wood with these when cleaning as they're all rusted where you can't see it; only how badly varies. Mine is not stamped with the caliber anywhere. It headspaced good and both locking lugs bear evenly, but the poor bore doesn't shoot the best. Good enough for southern woodland deer hunting ranges and safe with commercial 308Win. Mine does it's best with slightly underpowered reloads; deer don't notice the difference. Military ammo is best avoided with these conversions as it runs at a somewhat higher pressure than the commercial 308 loads; certain rounds especially so. The 7mm runs at lower pressures so if the gun is good there shouldn't be any safety issues with those.
My guess is that the ones showing up on the market now are the last and worst examples from storage with all the better ones long gone by now. If my guess is right some of these might not be safe to fire as there might be some rejected examples mixed in inadvertently. These have clearly been stored with zero attention for quite some time so confirm the chambering, headspace, and lug engagement before putting effort into it. Even with the old SAMCO guns examples of mis-matched bolts and unsafe headspace have been found so excercise extra caution with these.
Love the variation of your collection. I feel your pain on caliber guessing. I once bought a large ring 8mm Mauser barrel on ebay. After installing it I could never get it to chamber 8mm. Took some calipers to it and found the bore to be 7.62mm. I then shot a 7.62x51 out of it only to have it morph itself into a straight wall cartridge. Did some more measurements and it turned out I had somehow bought a 30.06 Mauser barrel that had the military style steps cut in it. I still have never been able to figure out it's country of origin. Any ideas where to research?
If it’s in 30-06 there’s a good chance it’s a South American rifle, although Norway did convert captured K98s to 30-06 post war and Belgium also fielded some 30-06 FN Mausers. Who’s the manufacturer, model/ pattern of Mauser, and any markings/ proof marks?
My guess would be that it is a Norwegian barrel.. That or it's from a Central/South American Mauser, there were several made in 30-06
@@serioussoldier7977 Thanks for the reply guys. Finally had a chance to break down the gun to look for markings. It has a Century Arms import marks and then nearby under the barrel it just says Germany. Back behind the rear sight there is a capital F and I near each other. Not nearby and stamped larger is a Cyrillic G. The one barrel band for the stock was distinct and had a hook on it. The front sight doesn't seem to match anything else I've found and was my hold up for thinking it was a Belgian, or South American rifle. However I suppose someone could have replaced it in an attempt to sporterized it. Best way I can describe it is similar to like a Persian Mauser front sight protector but a lot smaller. It would not be able to take a standard Mauser hood.
@@ReadinessReviews Thanks for the reply. I finally had time to break down the gun again. What I found was a CAI import marks along with Germany (however I suspect they just stamp all Mausers as Germany to import) Behind the rear sight a capital F and I. Also nearby but stamped differently a Cyrillic G.
Note to self..NEVER order from hunters lodge, mitchell's mausers, or rti...the 3 stooges of the gun world.
Not until you are prepared to lose the money.
Sorry you got a big project. My ugly truck gun is an M1916 7mm I picked up at an estate sale. Lots of rust from the past was evident. But the prior owner thankfully hosed it down and oiled it down very well. It shoots pie plate accuracy at 100 yards. My only grumble is I will replace the rear sight with a Mojo click peep at some point. Maybe give it a new sporter stock too. Lots of folks down these old rifles. But they are great farm guns for the truck. Where you know it's going to take a beating.
Soak the hand guard in Acetone. The use accureglass to repair cracks. Don’t use the gel kind. Standard gets into the cracks way better. Gel is better for bedding. Give the hand guard a coat of linseed oil.
It's going to be tricky getting everything properly fixed and cleaned without messing up the black paint.
How and why people buy this junk from Hunter's Lodge and RTI is beyond me. Yeah, some may function but bringing most of them back to life, considering the lack of parts anymore is kind of sketchy. Back in the day buying from places like Century was a crap shoot as to what you would get but most of the time you received a pretty solid piece. The only issue then was the grease and not knowing any information about the rifle's production armory or date. My biggest gripe and lack of understanding of the "new" collector is how much you pay for 99% of this stuff, especially to RTI. In fact, I suspect you could often do much better at GunBroker. Bottom line is that the golden days are over. You missed it. No amount of junk will bring it back.
I bought mine in the early 90s for 166 bucks from S.I.R. here in Canada 🇨🇦 and it shoots 308 just fine,all the action was fine but the stock i had to refinish it 🙂👍
I have 1 that is way worse. Painted gloss camo with a paint brush. A crazy amount of pitting. Stamped 308w on the barrel. Has 308 and 7.62 carved into the stock with a pocket knife. A 30 cal bullet fits like your did in the muzzle test
The three stripes means an inert training rifle not meant to be fired. Some of them had a fused or blocked breech to prevent people from inserting ammunition to it.
Thanks!
Hey READY.. I just ordered one from H L on 6/20/2022 I dont except much at $166.88 LOL. But i hope i can take it apart to clean it. Glad i ran across your video on how to take it apart and what to expect. This will be a project for sure, and a video for sure. THANKS
Is there any place that has 1895 and previous style firing pins? I have a really nice 1893 turk mauser and id like to have a spare for it. numrich, apex, and liberty are out of stock.
I only had luck on ebay. Got lucky and one popped up a few months ago.
@@bitterdeputy900 wow that is lucky lol. how much was it? i might try my luck on gunboards
Look up Outback Gun Parts. They may have what you’re looking for.
I can't recall seeing any recently. Did you check Sarco?
I really think the bore is Correct for the 308. The rifling is too tall to be wore out. Really clean and examine the chamber. Maybe the 308 will fit after that. Btw, I have a 308 1916. It’s a great shooter. If you’re worried use 7.62x51 nato. They create about 1000 less lbs of pressure. The wolf 308 is the exception. It creates 1000 lbs of pressure less than 7.62x51. They download their 308 ammo
Well the test case HL included with the rifle was a 7mm case and the neck wasn't super blown out or anything. I agree the chamber needs to be well cleaned before shooting though.
As a British person who enjoys your videos its nice to see Winston Churchills famous speech on your shelving
I'm betting someone will watch this video and go out and order a few of these nice rust heaps. RTI and Classic Firearms have some that look like this and "oh well, lets roll the dice" and Boo Hoo mine is a rust heap. and on and on it goes.
I always try to stress how much of a gamble it is.
🤣🤣
I have one that I have not yet fired . I is also marked 308. I would like to hearwhat a gunsmith would say about the pressures . Also if it would be feasible to re- chamber it to 7.62 x39
The magazine release is unlike any I’ve seen on a 1916. I have a 1917 production which uses a button in the floor plate itself.
to see if the bore is good i like to just look at the inside of the crown. if u can clearly see the rifling touch the end of the muzzle it should be good. if not well use flat based bullet lol
Yup the crown is the most important part
That thing looks like the wind blew it together.
My Enfield No.4 Mk.1 just came in from Hunters Lodge.It took 22 days to get here..I'm going to need about 10 parts .
I just posted the video on my page...
I finally have in all the parts for mine. Looking forward to get it back together.
I have a 1916 Spanish Mauser In 308and it's a great shooter...
I still want a 308 one
@@ReadinessReviews I hope you can get one, they're great rifles...
If you have a tub big enough I’d throw that whole barreled action in some boiling DI water and card away
It will definitely be boiled and carded
I've ordered several things from them and have had great experience with dealing with them. It's takes them some time but for the reasonable prices they have for this stuff you can't really complain about the timing. I enjoy taking these things apart to clean and retouch so I have enjoyed my rifles, I just wish my 1916 had a crest on it like yours but tons of them were scrubbed off so it's no fault of hunters lodge on that. Have fun with your projects and thanks for posting your experiences
That is a roached rifle man. I don’t even think Anvil would worry about fixing it up.
I didn’t realize that hunters lodge was even still in business
may be late, But ever you find yourself with a stuck screw on a gun again like this, they make something called a manual impact screw driver I believe? Long story short its a screw driver you use with a hammer and its acts like a impact driver but dose not break the screw. It ha saved me meany screws and time with such items like this and I thought I would just share the info. Looking good my man stay safe and shooting!
Man that sucks.
Hopefully I can get it all cleaned up
Did you the upper hand guard off? I have one from the same time period and can't get past the sight.
Love too see a 'how to' video
Thanks this video solved my problem i had people saying “ oh no its rechamberd in 7.62.51 that didnt work i tried 308 didnt
Its like ordering out of a jc Whitney catalog in the 80s except you are getting screwed. Plus a 6 month turn around
That doesn’t seem horrible… not great but I could live with it.
It can be cleaned up for sure.
@@ReadinessReviews it looks like a job for some #0000 steel wool and a few episodes of some B grade television lol.
Seeing that 7X57 mm is originally a relativity low pressure round and it is now loaded commercially to lower pressure yet it may be safe to shoot. That is if the pitting is not deeper than 1/16 inch, or 0.0625 inch/ 1.58 mm. Or heavily grouped in any area. Even then I think I would shoot cast bullet loads
To expect Spanish and Latin American Mausers without rust is unreasonable. Ultimately, as long as the degree of rust doesn't render the weapon unsafe it's a win under $250. With a shootable bore a definite win. Are these candidates for Griffin & Howe class sporters? No. But no rifle made prior to 1950 should be in 2024, unless Bubba got to it and it can't be refanged, i.e. remilitarized. Do Spanish Mausers fit the bill as low price scout type rifles? That's their niche. With a small ring (non Swedish) Mauser your options are 1). Remilitarize OR 2). Remilitarize & "Scout" OR 3). Spend money to do a CG80 style target/marksman rifle in 6.5x55 - some might consider 7.92x57 as it has the same operating pressure as 7x57 (with greater bolt thrust), but only IF there is proper gas vent/shielding on a small ring Mauser and if the action is NOT soft, nor evidencing setback and is not a Sanford & Son rust monster to start. 7.65x53 is another caliber to consider for such a project. .308 Winchester should not be considered because of certain setback and failure of the lugs with any serious regular use; since 7.62x51 is the (usually) lower pressure variant of .308 Win. some might consider it, but people have to think about whom the rifle is passed on to and what type of ammo will be available in the future. A regular diet of .308 Win. is not a good idea for small ring Mausers. While small ring Mausers won't detonate (unless you shoot them with obvious receiver cracking/warpage or with hot rounds loaded with pistol powder generating 200000PSI+), setback of the lugs will occur when running hot.308 Win. or a steady diet of loads over 56000 PSI, headspace will drift, extraction will be increasingly difficult until the action locks you out and the breech freezes. It's a good idea to get a 3 die set of gauges if you rebarrel a small ring Mauser. As soon as it swallows the nogo gauge it's done and needs to be addressed by a gunsmith (probably retired). Under no circumstances should any weapon be fired which swallows a field gauge.
No offense, but I've picked up working Mausers for considerably less than their asking price for their junk Mausers. Went to a Family reunion a few years back. A cousin who lived close by offered to let me see a Mauser he'd picked up from Hunter's Lodge for $595. I didn't crack a smile when I saw it. Just remarked he had a lot of work ahead of him. He asked if I thought they "took" him. Since he asked, I answered in the affirmative. He also made the mistake of asking what I'd have given for a rifle like his. I told him a hundred dollars would have been pushing it.
Throat erosion, parts destroyed by rust, etc. is not something I take lightly. No one else should either because such things take time and good money to put to rights.
Ive had the. 308 1895 mauser chileno small ring since sportsmans guide sold em in the early 80s, never had any issues. That whole dangerous to shoot rumor is crap. Same with my gewehr 88s, the turk barrels and czech bolts are new, theres no original . 318 bore barrels left, theyre all. 323 replacement barrels from the 1930s and 40s. Wives tales
Wouldn't these be the upgraded 1893 Spanish Mausers though? Mauser did the same upgrades to the Turkish Mausers of the same year as the 93 Mausers.
That is the worst condition 1916 I have seen. Sad too because it is the older model with the roller coaster sight
I'll fix it up
The "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" rifle.
😀...😒...😈
I know right!
HL didn't do any repairs or maintenance on any of the guns they sold. No dealers do that. Also rust is fairly easy to deal with. Remove as much as you can with oil and a brush, de-grease in acetone, then boil in distilled water. That will convert the rust and stop the corrosion.
If not HL who inserted the bamboo dowels in the stock? I don't think that was the work of any arsenal.
@@ReadinessReviews may have been done by the importer or by the Arsenal prior to release to the importer.
Very good review of this rifle. Well done. I'd like to see a similar review of the Indian Ishapore 308.
That why I can't find a bamboo scewer anywhere hunters lodge bought them all...
There's this new invention; it's called Kroil and is a penetrating oil that works well at loosening rusty screws. I bet if you used some of that or an equivalent product those rusty screws would come out easier. Most of the UA-cam gunsmiths and tinkerers use it. Good luck.
I would say NO.
They should offer a box of rubber gloves with the order. 😊
ABBA said take a chance on me.
Mine has no markings besides S8281 any info or year mfg?
I wonder if that black paint signifies a DP rifle. Though usually they will pour slag into the chamber of those. And this is what I'd expect of a DP rifle, pretty up the outside and who cares about the underside...
Well I'm in lol....I rolled the dice this week with HL. A "hand select" Oviedo in 7x57 for $250 and a Carcano carbine "in cosmoline" for $109.
If they actually show up I'll try to remember to file a report here 😂
Well, 2.5 months later and still waiting lol. I did manage to finally get thru on the phone and spoke to James greatest, he's a good dude. I expect the order will get here sometime midway thru month 3. I actually ordered a couple more items last week so.... I'm getting used to this i guess.
Between HL and RTI i think I've developed an incurable taste for abuse 😂😂😂
I finally got the Carcano and a later order i placed for a Spanish M43. The M43 was $99... it cleaned up GREAT and the bore looks good too. I'll need to replace 1 part but it's only $20 so no biggie. Stock has tons of small dings, and I mean TONS. After a good bit of steaming that mostly smoothed out.
The Carcano.... well, it wasn't an 1891 Artillery.... turned out to be a TS 2 which is funny because i is just got in an RTI TS 2 a couple weeks prior.
That said, the HL TS2 is in MUCH better shape than the RTI and bore looks great. Only thing wrong was the rear site adjutant lever is missing the little button. No biggie for $109.
I paid $200 for the RTI and it has a huge stock gouge just aft if the nose cap and the bore is trashed. Very little finish as per RTI standards lol.
I'm let you know what the Oviedo looks like when it gets here. Also waiting on an 1893 Spanish and an FR8.
Get yourself a tub or tray long enough to drop the entire gun in, and cover it in Kroil. I generally would not soak wood in oil, but I don't think it will retain anymore oil, grease and dirt than these old mil surps already have on and in them.
Do you have any idea how much Kroil costs ?
Looks like a 40 buck rifle
Maybe 10 years ago.
Boy do they have a return policy lol
Negative unless you wanna pay a large fee. These are worth their price thpugh in parts value.
Not a good one 😂. I wouldn't sent it back anyway.
Very worth the risk if you have unlimited time for the seller to give you the runaround, while figuring out their broken antiquated fulfillment "department", and to be shined on by their unprofessional and rude staff. In all fairness. The latter is probably a symptom of the former
I ordered 2 of their mine shaft specials. A M1916 & a M1943. Got 2 M43s but they got the bolts right. 1 is for a 1916....😮💨 I might get shoot them an email and just order a 3rd rifle. A 1916 and ask them to ship a 43 bolt with it. Instead of paying for a bunch of shipping fees to get the right bolt, might just be easier and cost effective to get a 3rd rifle. I was already thinking of just fixing up the extra 43 for funnsies and sell it to get my money back for the 2 rifles.
Wow that's pretty sad they sent the wrong rifle. I've been considering making another order from them myself. It just makes me really nervous lol
@@ReadinessReviews I was dumb, the bolt was an M43 bolt. I'm happy so far with what I got, I haven't gotten them apart yet, but 1 is numbers matching. I might make a video showing what I got. I also didn't make a precise invoice so partly my fault. Considering emailing to ask if they have anymore of the 16s and order one....Or maybe order one of the cleaned up 1916s...
Picked up my 1950 FN mauser in 30.06 today, has no country markings just the belgian FN marks. Cleaned it up looks snick can't wait to shoot it
Nice!
You just saved me some money
It wouldn't take that much to clean the rust. Either soak it in vinegar or an electrolysis bath
This looks like cast off junk from Century International Arms that WAS in St Albans Vermont. In 1995 they moved to Florida, so how long has this junk been sitting around over here?
I think it's actually the junk leftover from Sarco but that Sarco junk may be the same junk you speak of from Century
@@ReadinessReviews The barrel is actually marked from Century if I remember correctly.
How are you able to get ahold of them they never answer the phone
Do you really expect a spotless rifle with that age? I wondered what type of condition their products. Expecting anything . Surplus is surplus
Looking forward to the restoration video bud! sorry you got a dud
It happens, especially when buying sight unseen. I think it'll clean up just fine though.
Did you find out anything more about the "Bore" ?? Ive had many of these rifles in the past.... And if your bore is still good you can fix or get another stock from "Sarco Inc." in Pa. and parts are still kinda easy to get from the usual places online for this rifle.. Let me know how ya make out..... be well..... K.A.G.
I was going to take it right out and shoot it but now that I have it all torn down I'm going to get it all cleaned up first. I have several other projects in front of this one so it'll probably be a while before I get to it.
@@ReadinessReviews , I reload and would use a light load soft points at first.... What cal. is this rifle ?? .7mm or 7.62x51 Nato ?? thanks.
@@MegaBait1616 I'm 90% sure it's 7mm even though it's marked 308. I haven't done a chamber cast yet though.
@@ReadinessReviews , Ive had both had both cal.'s .308 is easy to get but I really like shooting .7mm with a M-1916 Spanish rifle.... be well.
well , get cha a wire wheel on a grinder , then proceed to 120 grit sand paper and oil , degrease re-blue and order a new stock ... worse case scenario you get a cook off and its bye bye nose ...
Are you sure that’s a 1916 Spanish Mauser because I have one and the front sights are not like the ones on yours
Your rifles sights look like the sights from a gewehr 98
I'd get that chamber cast anyways.
wow that Rifle is a mess!!
I've got a couple dozen bolt-action milsurps, including a M1916 Spanish, and yours is, by far, the worst I've ever seen.
Hunter's Lodge? They should be called Rusted Stuff.
You aren't wrong lol
I have two old rifles.
DUDE ! NEVER EVER NEVER EVER do bench testing with LIVE AMMO! What the H**L? If you can't figure out the caliber, do a chamber cast with Cerrosafe. applies to the barrel bore too. cast and measure. And you guys that shoot a .308 and hope for the best.... sheeeesh!
That's an absolute trash found in junkyard
425 is a deal? LOL
What was 425?
what a big crybaby.
Conclusion: Hunters Lodge is dodgy, at best. Got it.
😳😳😳
For safety purposes, you should have put the " flag" safety in the middle position or better yet, removed the firing pin/ spring/ safety assembly by simply unscrewing it. Seeing the condition of milsurp weapons these days, it is sad to see that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for guns to put on the market. I feel sorry for those who missed the heyday of the surplus market.