Hunters Lodge GARBAGE No.4 Enfield | Even Worth Restoring? | Milsurp Repair - Assessing The Damage
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- The phrase "Garbage Rod" gets thrown around all too often but this No.4 Mk.1 Lee-Enfield from Hunters Lodge is exactly that. Can it be restored though? Let's assess the damage and see if it's worth putting life back into this War Horse.
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Hunters Lodge "GARBAGE" No.4 Enfield | Even Worth Restoring? | Milsurp Repair - Assessing The Damage
In my mind, every old firearm and car deserves to be restored. Are they all a smart or financially responsible idea? No, not at all. But in my mind it is about saving and preserving as many of these items as we can for future generations so they can look back on our history with more concrete evidence and tangible connections to it.
Totally agree!
Normally i would agree with you but every once in a while you come across some ( be it a rifle or car) that are so bad they're worth more as parts to keep the good ones going.
From a financial standpoint, I could easily see the cost to fix it up exceeding what it would cost to just buy one that’s in okay condition. On the other hand, could at least be a fun personal challenge.
I think it will beak about even for what a good condition No.4 would cost me.
I'd look at the interior and exterior of the barrel. I'd also slug it for wear.
If it's fairly clean and not a complete oversize sewer pipe. It'll be worth it.
I can’t tell you how much I enjoy this channel. You’re just one of us average dudes trying to salvage junk! lol
Thanks so much for watching! I really do love this stuff.
I restored a old BSA 1918 No1 Mk3 that was a nothing more than a Barrel, Receiver, Mag Release, sear and a sportierzed stock. She has a story and I'll be honest! After spending close to 600.00 in the restoration back to her former glory! I say, she worth it. BRP, Numrich Gun parts, Prestige Wood Stocks, Apex and the Bay of Evil. was my saving grace! Heck, even Liberty Tree saved me for my sight.
You got this man!!! She deserve that chance.
Thanks man and good job bringing that old bird back up to standard.
In a local gun store I found an SMLE that had not only been sporterized but had never been cleaned by the owner and in order to “protect” the rifle he sprayed the entire gun: receiver, wood, and bolt with rhino coat. You couldn’t even open the bolt without banging on the handle as hard as you could. The guy who owned the shop told me that the client did this with all of his guns and I felt a part of me die that day.
I myself just found a No4 Mk1 Long Branch Lee Enfield at a local pawn-- def in way better shape than what Hunters Lodge sent you. Do enjoy your vids!
Nice find!
I couldn’t do it but I’ll watch you fix it.
Haha, hopefully I can fix it.
I've been using charcoal lighter for over 50 years.
Cuts right thru the cozz like butter
Won't harm wood and leaves a thin coating on metal that stops rust until you can lube it up.
I will not use anything else
Try it for yourself
I would say it's worth the cost to restore it as a fun project. Every Milsurp has a story and deserves to be repaired if possible. The missing screw in the side of the reciever is your ejector. The only issue I see so far is the bolt head. Enfield bolt heads have to be fit and headspaced. They aren't easily interchangeable between bolt bodies. Aside from that there is still alot of NOS buttstocks out there and plenty of No 4 parts.
You can use oven cleaner on the metal but I would avoid using it on the stock. Oven cleaner breaks down organic matter to include wood stocks, especially stocks like this one that are pretty much unfinished wood under the hardened grease. I would think you are better off just stripping and refinishing the stock at this point. Then staining and finishing a NOS buttstock to match. For the crack I f you drill holes try using dowels/pegs instead of screws. You can sand them down and will be less noticeable.
Look forward to seeing how it turns out!
Good call on the dowels!
The 2 groove Enfields were usually manufactured by Savage in Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts from 1941 to 1945. Savage built about 1 million, the wood should be birch. Should have squared S and be marked US PROPERTY on the backside of the receiver.
Just as a learning project it has value but to make anything of a Monetary profit might be rough.
I like the idea of restoring the barrel and trying it on the other unit ect and
Then deciding if maybe it's best to get a couple more Enfields and putting what's good into one unit ?
I'm impressed with the subjects and how it is presented in Your videos.
Great Job . Thank You
Deus Vult 😎
Left you a message on FB. the screw in the receiver is the ejector screw. I have one you can have along with a safety assembly.
I appreciate it man!
if your doing it for a hobby yes go for it im in canada there are lots of enfields but even sporterized ones are getting up there in cost
Man this made my day...I have been patiently waiting for an update on this...awsome work
Thanks brother! This one still has a long way to go but I think I'll get it running. I'm worried about the bolt head more than anything.
Looks like the forestock might be salvageable. I would suggest putting it in a container with gas or mineral spirits. You can use resin to fix the split in the wood.
Definitely do not use gas. The vapors get all over the place and obviously as well all know one match and that’s it.
I have a diesel tank I use for metal. I've never put wood in there before though
@@ReadinessReviews Well they did dip wood stocks in tanks of Linseed oil after all so dipping them in Diesel to get cosmoline off shouldn't be that hard just don't go near any open flames afterwards or your new name will be Johnny Blaze. LOL
@@michaelbenjmitchell1diesel and linseed oil are two VERY different things. Petroleum products should never be applied to wood, it strips the natural oils from the wood and will lead to increased cracking. As rough as the furniture is, just scrape it with a cabinet scraper, you could be down to bare wood in 3 minutes without making a huge sloppy mess.
@@jacktheaviator4938 Cosmoline is a petroleum product and can be effectively removed with other petroleum products. Sure you lose natural oils when you do that but your putting oils back when your re-oiling the stock afterwards. BTW the diesel method has been in use for ages by militaries al over the world. You would go and wreck a stock with a cabinet scraper? That thing isn't designed for curves so all you did is give yourself more work just to resand the stock to remove gouges you made.
How that bore escaped the abuse the rest of that rifle endured is a complete mystery.
Get you some 1/8 dowl rod and drill an 1/8 hole in several spots and use tight bond glue also in the crack. you could use 3000 lb epoxy but it gets hard quick.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Getting cosmoline off. This includes not hurting the part under the cosmoline. (like a forearm or barreled receiver.) This process only works in summer. Find or make an appropriate sized 'box' with hanging points. After disassembly hang part in box, put on back porch or in a window, but exposed to the sun. Leave the box and part there prepared to wait all day, but do check every three hours or so.
The sun will do what the heat blower does, but slower and costs less. If all goes well, the cosmoline (or gunk) will melt and drip into the bottom of the box. When finished, decide to clean out the box or throw it away.
Crack in forearm. Looks 'clean' not splintered and damaged. I'd take the nose cap off, see it can be GENTLY opened up and apply a serious type of wood glue. (Heat the glue to make it runnier.) After glue is applied, clamp from top to bottom. When dry, sand off all the excess (now dry) glue.
I would think putting it back in original shape and having it work is possible (barring unexpected developments). It will not be 'as issued' as parts have to be replaced. If one sold it, one might take a beating on costs.
About two years ago, I bought a junker Enfield. I have no idea what shape it was in, but someone attempted to 'sporterize' it. Including a plastic (no kidding) stock. So I'm working on making a sporter (using rifle) from the ashes. It seems to work mechanically acceptably. Didn't cost much in the first place.
I have an Enfield bolt disassembly tool and totally forgot what it was for until now. It's been a long, long time since I used it (22+ years ago). Good luck with this one, you're going to need it. LOL
Haha, thanks man! Put that tool to work! Lol
Cool rifle. Got excited about buying one until you mention in a prior video about shipping cost. I just picked up a Cetme parts kit from Centerfire Systems for $110 delivered. In great condition over all.
Nice! Are you going to build it out?
Well if all else fails you’ll have plenty of spare parts for your next project rifle. In regards to the crack, you’ve got the right idea. Break it off and acroglass it with a few screws or pins to keep it secure.
I need to figure out the best way to take that metal nose cap off. I've never had to remove one before.
It's coved with linseed oil. A preservative use in the UK to protect metal parts.
Hunters Lodge, Kenya, possibly used by Mau Mau in oathing ceremonies in the 50s to 60s. Not joking! I saw captured during service.
They did send you a wallhanger.
This wall hanger will be sending led very soon.
Agreed, it's been deactivated at some point.
You can definitely get all the metal parts at a good price. Though I would suggest getting more than one bolt head though just to be on the safe side. And buying a entire stock set might be pricy but in the long run is a good investment as it ensures that all the wood is the same. But Also if you buy a butt plat stay away from the Alloy ones as the zinc alloy will be affected by salt from sweat unless you regularly clean it.
I was thinking about that on the bolt head.
Clean it up looks like a shooter with some love
I’m looking forward to this series. You’ve got one heck of a project there.
This the biggest project I've ever undertaken. Hopefully it turns out well.
Should have soaked stock In acetone. Accuglass the stock.
Still working on it.
To restore or to hang on the wall 🤣 thanks for this vid 👍
I have 3 of the Enfields on order from Hunter's Lodge. Hopefully there are enough usable parts between the 3 to build a "jungle carbine"
Good video, I’ve spent $200 on worse things, it does seem quite high for an OK action + extras IMHO, If you aren’t deadset on restoring such a piece as close as you can to authentic, sported enfields.. when done well are great in the woods and you might get some better value out of it not just from the milsurp side of things.
With the current panic buying of everything the price is low imho.
I couldn't bring myself to cut it. As long as I can use the stock it shouldn't be too expensive to fix.
@@ReadinessReviews I can see that! I rewatched your video the core of it seems to be in pretty good shape
I sold a nice 2 grove Savage marked US Government about 5 years ago for $ 330.00 lucky to get that back then too.... Now just look at the prices these days.. smh.
I've been seeing 600+ most everywhere these days.
@@ReadinessReviews , unbelievable the prices these days.
Last 3 I got from hunters were missing bolt heads and firing pins.
Yeah like I said I think these were used as parts guns.
I wouldn't touch that, it's a can of worms waiting to be opened. If the barrel, receiver and bolt could be functional. It might be worth getting a new stock. It looks like it would crumble putting it back together. I wish you well. I don't think the rifle could be accurate with that stock no matter what you do with it. But I'm new to your channel. So work your magic. I have some milsurp rifles I purchased them from the early to mid eighties. While stationed at Fort Bragg and Benning. A lot of nice stuff in great condition all private sales and cheap. My favorite rifles are my M1 rifles I have a bunch of nice stuff cheap. A lot of bolt action rifles. Mostly American and German. I retired in 2010. I have modern weapons as well some nice rifles and shotguns a few pistols. A great deal of Ammo too. I really hope it works out for you. I will watch thank for the video. Sorry for rambling.
Yup yup all the good surplus is gone these days.
Condition makes it look like either a drill practice rifle or a bayonet/pugil practice rifle. Cadets around the world ding them up equally doing both.
Could have been!
You are biting off a little more than I ‘wood’ on that project! But I look forward to watching the progress and how you tackle it!!
It's a big project for sure.
I think that's actually axle grease, not cosmoline. Pretty common preservative in rural India, Pakistan region. Plus, they slathered their guns in the infamous British black paint. Of course, so did the UK, Canada & Australia.
Second video please!
It's coming! Next couple of weeks.
So cool. Lots of work.
I wish I had more time to put into these projects.
It's gonna work out.
Man I hope so lol
Sarco has the parts &stock you need
They are always a place I check!
Very well done!
I just scored a BEAUTIFUL all Savage No4 that shouldn’t have been a project but turns out the barrel is over indexed and the entire barrel is 10 degrees off to the left
Certainly worth correcting!
@@ReadinessReviews yeah there’s a guy in SC that was trained by an old British armorer he’s one of the only guys in the country that knows how to do enfields the right way I’m going to get him to do it and stock it up nice and correct
I’d just keep what’s salvageable for parts
There isn't much left to salvage to be honest lol. The barreled action is decent and that's about it.
restore as wall hanger maybe?
Coming from Ethiopa you hand is full of different DNA. Good luck bro.
Haha, thanks!
Have you got ahold of hunters lodge lately? Any help would be great and awesome videos!!
I haven't done anything with them since getting my order in. They answered the phone about half the time and sometimes responded to emails.
@@ReadinessReviews ok thank you for replying, your videos are great since you started keep up the great work!
Try BRP Guns. Probably the cheapest you'll find the parts. Good luck.
I certainly will.
Hey brother.I found something interesting...
Have you seen the video by EnfieldAccurizing called Checking The Lee Enfield Barrel for wear.?
Being new to the Enfield rifle its
very informative to me..
Have a good day my friend.
I'll give it a look!
How's the Hunters Lodge Enfield project coming along..?
Been working on it a good deal the past couple of days. Ordered most of the parts today.
@@ReadinessReviews ,Still haven't got mine that I ordered on 16 February..
I e-mailed them this past Thursday. No reply yet ..
Wow- thst must have been at the bottom of whatever pile it came from, hard to imagine a worse On my way! Unless you diligently it out of the ground. I miss the days of reasonable ( and shootable) mil- surp. Is scavenge what ever parts off it and throw the rest on the scrap box... can’t what to see what it ends up as
Nice TM62M
It was a lucky gun show find.
Why do you keep your rifle with the action cocked ?
How much was it?
Too much really. Like 2 bills after shipping and all.
I’d almost orbital sand that wood down and restain all of it. It’s like mummy hide.
That looks like yak butter for the napalies cash.
Those were super dirty for sure.
I am restoring one in better shape but my bore does not look as amazing as yours. plan on spending $550.
Good luck with your restoration! I think I'll have this one shooting for right around 300 total. I could spend more to make it nicer.
Hey brother what happened to the link I gave to a site with a lot of good No.4 Mk1 Enfield parts..?
Never saw it. UA-cam doesn't allow links to Firearms related sites so they probably removed it.
@@ReadinessReviewsHave you heard of Apex g-- parts
@@thewolfhunter yes sir!
@@ReadinessReviews ,Im probably going to get my parts for my Enfield from them..
WHENEVER it gets here from Hunters Lodge..LOL
@@thewolfhunter i finished up my last parts order yesterday. I ended up getting basically everything from Century, Sarco, and BRP Corp. I had a few items picked out on Apex but when I took shipping cost into account I decided not to go with them.
That wood is shot, dude. I would trash that wood and look for a new set of furniture. Then I would boil that metal and paint it with a substitute for British "Suncorite" (stove paint). Rust-Oleum "Hight Heat" BBQ grill paint would probably work. Even if you go over budget you're at least putting one "back in circulation".
Did you ever get around to restoring it?
There is another in progress video. Finishing up everything soon!
@@ReadinessReviews oh yea ur right im sry. I just watched them again lol. I just found a really nice no1mk3 at lodgewood of all places. All matching 1916. Excellent shape. Still in the cosmoline. Only 600$ so not too bad. Ive heard ppl getting their cc stolen after buying from numrich. Its happened to me twice as well. Just throwin tbat out there lol. It could be a coincidence idk tbo. Theyre r others as well who said the same thing
The rifle needs a 3 hour ride in the dishwasher... and then maybe an hour in the microwave.
Hahaha
Made a cool video but over my dead body do I pay that for that
after second look that gun looked like it was pulled out of a goats ass but long as receiver good with what you have there should be ok
And I wouldn't blame you one bit.
🤣🤣🤣
You order from hunter's lodge, you get screwed....period.
You could have used kerosene to clean that gun, it wouldn't have hurt anything, unlike ez off
The easy off didn't hurt anything.
Wow. That is an ugly piece of junk! Although I would like to see it restored
Hopefully I'll have it looking better before long.
wow, i dont envy you
At least I enjoy the process lol
What is up with that buttstock lol? doesnt look original
I don't think it was. It was made of some weird wood and it wasn't cut for a sling loop. The cut for the socket was done very well though.
Boil it
Most definitely will.
I do think it is a piece of junk ! Not worth putting any replacement parts in . You may be able to sell the barrel and the few bolt parts and maybe get half of your purchase price back ?
hi, you !!!
i would ask to you a question, why do you buy this junk about on undred bucks ...?!? it is obvious the seller send to you many junk ... !?!
so long, baby young 😉👍
Eh, thought I'd give them a chance. It was also interesting for videos. There wasn't any video footage of Hunters Lodge stuff before.
Ready that not worth restoring GEEZE that one is BAD LOL LOl
Is it worth it cost wise, nope but it will be worth it when I'm sending lead down range.
@@ReadinessReviews OK i would love to see that happen !! Let us know 😁
What did you pay $10
20x
a smelly rifle does not mean much to me anyway
This is not a rifle
Though once it was a smelly rifle
I am sure it still smells just no longer a rifle
For the love of God, stop using oven cleaner. Oven cleaner will burn your stock. When it happens your stock will turn a grayish green to black in color. When restoring something, fast and easy is not always the right way.
Use Purple Power cleaner instead. Most often you want to cut it 50/50 with water, but you can use it stronger for stocks that are covered in heavy grease and grime. You just need to make sure that you wash off the Purple Power from the wood.
Take a close look at the right side of the fore stock, where the crack is. It appears that some of the wood is rotting.
I would take Darius Jedburgh’s offer on the stock set.
For the metal parts. Hang them with wire. Spray them with Purple Power and then pore boiling water on them. The hot water will melt the cosmoline . You may need to scrub it with a nylon brush. The heat from the water will cause just about all of the water to evaporate, leaving the metal dry.
I appreciate the input but I've done enough of these that I know what works. Time is the most important factor for me. If I don't get it done fast it will never get done at all. I've only used oven cleaner on the most extreme cases. It doesn't harm the wood as long as it is properly neutralized and not left on the wood for too long.
@@ReadinessReviews
You say that you’ve done enough to know what works. Just how many is that?
I’ve been at it for over 30 years, doing stock repairs and restoration, as a hobby and a business.
One of the things that oven cleaner will do is break down the natural glue that holds wood together. It’s not like it will cause your stock to fall apart, but it can, and will cause the surface of your stock to become soft. Oven cleaner is just bad Ju Ju when it comes to wood.
I wish you luck.
Just clean it will some Murphy's Oil Soap and it will look like new. All kidding aside it looks like a piece of junk. Cut your loses and sell it as a non firing wall hanger. I am sure Hunter's Lodge will do nothing for you.
I won't be happy until I send 303 down range with it lol.
@@ReadinessReviews do it.
I got 12 of these when Southern Ohio went out of business, send me private message and I’ll send you a full stock set from my extras
That's far too generous. I really appreciate the offer.