I've owned all three. The only one I have still and love is the TCP 738. Great little gun for what I use it for. It does not like FMJ ammo or Steelcase Russian ammo. It will however fire Hornady self-defense rounds all day long without issue. I use it as a pocket carry or for days when my CZ is just too much to carry for where I'm going or what I'm doing that day. I love the long smooth trigger pull and also how concealable it is. If I pull the trigger it shoots. Every time. And without fail
I have two of these…reliable and accurate! Bought on the recommendation of a former LEO and current range owner. It is the easiest to carry anywhere and anytime, I have holsters to work in all conceivable clothing situations (I’m female). I have a few carry options, but this is the one I can conceal easiest, and it’s light weight.
I own the LCP 2, and it is a great shooting handgun. It definitely takes some practice to shoot it accurately beyond 5 yards due to its small size and light weight. I painted the front sight neon orange to help it stand out.
I’ve owned all three and have to say the LCP II has the others beat in terms of shoot-ability, ease of carry & reliability. The Taurus has a serious trigger short stroke problem that could be dangerous in a confrontation. My S&W BG developed light strike problems after two years of absolute reliability. I also own both LCP models and they have been 100% w/FMJ and hollow point ammo. The trigger on both LCP models measures 7.5 to 8 lbs on my trigger scale, but the reset on the LCP II is much crisper making follow up shots easier and more accurate.
Is there a way of tweaking the heavy trigger pull on the Bg u know of?? It's ridiculous for follow up shots like you said. Yeah it works on the range if u squeeze slowwwwly while aiming till u hit the sweet spot then boom 💥. But then gotta do it all over again 5x? Smh in real life that's too much time wasted.
The bodyguard light strike problem is a real thing. Still 4 years after your post Its still a common problem. As long as you use soft primer ammo like Federal you should be 100% fine.
I've got an M&P 380 model minus the thumb safety & no laser. Love this gun and it is EXCEPTIONALLY accurate for a pocket .380 handgun. GREAT everyday carry gun.......
is there a model of bodyguard that comes without safety and with laser out of the box? why did you choose version without laser? how many rounds have you fired from bodyguard so far and how is its reliability and ammo sensitivity? do you still carry it?
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 I have one too w/o safety or laser. gun runs well with just about any ammo. carry purposes i use double tap 100 fmj. hundreds of rounds w/o problems. Sharpie makes a white marker that I used to highlight front sight. works great
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 As of today(July 11, 2020) I still carry this gun from time to time. Time tested and with most ammunition it performs without a jam (does not do well with Fiocchi). The laser to me is a gimmick and not applicable in the sense of THIS gun for practical defense use. The absence of the thumb safety is an appeal to me based on my training and personal preferences. The laser-less safety-less model was initially inspired by the Los Angeles Police Dept for issue as an approved backup/off duty gun. The LAPD tried out the Bodyguard before it was offered minus the safety and laser. The run made to their specs picked up in the civilian market......
@@lttruck2973 I dig mine too. Eats most ammo with exception to Fiocchi (hang fires). Always a nice option if I want a deeper concealment wear for the day....
My TCP was questionable until I polished the feed ramp and some internal components. Once that was done, and a few hundred rounds though it, I have no issues.
Your comparison review was very well executed. You described the differences thoroughly. Nice job. These are the types of comparisons we need to see more of. Keep up the good work!
Just got my TCP and love it. Great review though. FYI, if you lock the frame with one in the chamber, you'll break the gun, but i carry Condition 3 anyway.
I’m telling you this because they tell me the TCP is the most reliable pocket .380 in their rental case. Their renter has over 10,000 rounds through it with no breakages. None of the other contenders can claim that. The SIG P238 is, however, a close runner up (one in-house repair). The Ruger LCP, known as a stout little gun, comes in third (with a warranty trip or two). But the others don’t seem to like high round counts and rental-type abuse.
Thing is the TCP has/had a common issue where the slide release tab inside the fram was too big and the bullets being chambered would get caught by the tab failing to feed. I'm unsure if it was ever fixed in QC. I fixed this for my father by taking a small file to the metal tab, rounding the corners and removing material. It is an easy fix, with multiple how-to videos on UA-cam, but a fatal flaw in it's construction and QC. I do however really like Taurus, I just bought a G2C for a subcompact carry option. They also have a limited lifetime warranty and good customer support. They really nailed it with the G2-G3C series but everything I mentioned above about the TCP is important when considering the purchase.
Love the size of my LCP2 (.380) I've been carrying it IWB, but until I drop a few lbs, it's just not that comfy given my short torso. I may go back to pocket carry - and I'm perfectly happy with that, as well as the included pocket holster. Great for wearing shorts (we're pretty warm here in Austin, so shorts are the dress of choice for most of us. It's obviously snappy, but time spent at the range has dramatically improved my shot placement. All that said, I also got myself a P365 for those times when I want more power and capacity. I did a lot of research, as I always do, and the LCP2 was the easy winner with all things considered. I would not say the same thing about any other versions of the LCP, unless Ruger comes out with a new version. Only thing that jumps to mind would be the sights, but as mentioned, all of these are point and shoot in defensive mode, so careful aiming would be more for the range. That said, I put dabs of neon yellow nail polish on the front sight and on the internal hammer. I originally bought mine for my wife, but that was a mistake. She's just not comfortable with it. For her, we'll stick with revolvers for home defense, and pepper spray for her purse. Just my .02
Don't know if anyone said anything, but you lock the slide to the rear on the tcp for break down and reassembly. You don't have to hold it like that. And all you do is shake the bbl down to put it in place for the reassembly. I sold my first one and regretted it. It was the ss slide came with two mags and the bulldog case. Never had an issue with it. Bought the second used and on got one factory mag and no case. Both have been flawless. Kinda funny reading the snobs reading the snobs and their comments. And magpro mags suck.
TCP is pretty cool, i had one a long while back. Since then iv traded countless times. But every now and then i remember how cool that tcp was . Now years later i got an lcp 2, which is my everyday pocket carry
Thanks so much!! "It does have" might be removed from your repertoire. Hate to be critical...but...it constructive criticism. "It does have" gets very repetitive. Go Hoosiers. Love my Bodyguard. It's very safe... long, heavy trigger, Can you tell I'm an old revolver guy. Lol.
I’ve owned all three and presently carry the original, second generation, LCP b/c it has been 100% reliable and is pretty easy to shoot. The S&W was my favorite but developed light strike problems after about a year so I let it go. The Taurus trigger was too light, less then 4 lbs measured, and not safe enough IMHO for pocket carry/self defense. Heavier triggers are a safety measure in a self defense gun and something I’m used to from being a long time revolver shooter.
Old Cop you are a wise man. I also use the LCP second generation, for the same safe trigger feel, and also it shoots anything n everything reliably. However I just bought a RM380 Remington, and so far it's as reliable as the Ruger, and way more comfortable in the hand. 😎
Marked Man I recently p/u the LCPII and I rotate between the two. The LCPII had to go back to Ruger for feeding problems but it’s been flawless since (they had it back to me in 10 days). I carry both w/the factory 7 round mag to help w/my big hands & accuracy out to 10 yards and it does not compromise pocket carry. The measured trigger pull on both guns is 7.5#.
I bought the bodyguard prior to the lcpll. It doesn't matter I heard from people that have the lcpll it has issue's jamming. I've had the bodyguard for 4 year's or so and have shot a few thousand rounds and it has never jammed. Nice review.
I got to shoot the Bodyguard and the Ruger LCP II, pretty much agree with everything you said about them. But, I am pretty sure the barrel on the Bodyguard is a MIM part. I do kinda wish at the end you would have said which pistol you liked best and why.
The pocket holster included with the lcp2 is much nicer than anything you will find at Walmart. The construction is solid and covers all the important parts, and the fact that it has the tongue that grabs your pocket is a really nice feature for a freebie with the gun. I probably would prefer it over a spare mag.
I still got another one. The holster it comes with just fits to tight on the gun. I got another one from bass pro that fits a little looser so it stays behind in the pocket more reliably
I have all 3 and the Ruger and S&W are going back for repairs. The TCP was the only one that was 100% out of the box and much more comfortable to shoot. The TCP is the easiest to take down and put back together. Very good video.
I used to like taurus until I bought a PT709 Slim. It came with only 1 mag which I did not noticed until I got home. I tried everything for 2 years to find an extra magazine to no avail. Taurus customer service finally told me I should get rid of the gun . I sold the pistol and all of the other taurus guns I owned.
I’ll say one thing, the Bodyguard comes with 2 mags at least. The LCP2 only comes with one. But I love my LCP2. I really have no experience with these other pistols.
Can't speak for the LCP II but I love my TCP. Extremely reliable gun. Even with HP's and us much more comfortable to shoot than the Bodyguard in my opinion. I really want to shoot the Spectrum if/when it ever comes out!
Tim Rice I haven't either. They were supposed to be available the end of June but the closest I've seen so far to being able to get one is pre-ordering one at @ Cabela's but who knows how long you have to wait to get it and the color schemes were extremely limited. looked like it was all black or black frame w/ stainless slide and that was it. Good luck with your search.
Also LOVE my TCP. Runs everything - even cheap crap ammo like Tula and Monarch steel cased. I actually enjoy using this as a range gun and run at least 100 rounds every range visit. Super reliable and easy to carry and conceal - it's my EDC now. I wonder if all the bad reviews about FTFs are for te older models. Mine's a 2017 series D production run. Buds has this for $158 now; thinking of getting another one to stash away in another place in the house. Better than the LCP2, which has unnecessarily snag-prone higher sites, it's SOA (and you can't see the hammer to be able to tell if you're cocked), has that unnec pinky extension curve (why not just make it flush and add a round?), unnec serrations on the front of the slide for overhand when slingshotting is better/safer, and the trigger is a dual weight - I prefer the same pull throughout; and that mag release isn't imbedded so it's more prone to accidental pressing esp when the gun jumps. Just my own preferences though. For those who like it, hey, more power to ya - just keep on carrying, fellow 2A-ers!
CCW Noob Couldn't agree more with you on the TCP. I mix up my EDC gun depending on the situation and where I'm going but I find myself carrying the TCP more and more. I would say 80% of the time. The rest of the time it's the PT111 G2 (Another fantastic Taurus gun). The TCP is just so darn comfortable and easy to carry. Fits in pocket so easily. I added a Pachmayer grip glove and a Garrison mag extension and it still easily fits in the pocket of any pants or shorts i have. I could now shoot that gun all day long at the range with those two little additions! Mine eats any ammo I put thru it as well. Can't say the same for my Curve though. That lgun is very picky especially with HP's. Safe shooting!
Which of the three has the best trigger and quickest reset, the only one I have shot so far was the original Ruger which really left a bad taste in my mouth for Rugers. That gun was simply horrible and I would rather strap on a 45 Auto than to try to carry that thing.
The LCP II's greatest points are its tiny size, reliability, and accuracy, but most of all its superb trigger and DA/SA firing. One (first) long trigger pull as a safety, and then it's SA. And Ruger customer service is excellent.
I have an lcp2 and as far as pocket pistols are concerned I think the ruger is the most comfortable compact gun I've ever had or handled. Never had a malfunction. Nothing against smith they make great guns especially revolvers. Taurus is ok though.
Definitely is. Got it at a gunshow earlier this year because I couldn't pass up its $275 price tag. Always kinda wanted a nice pocket pistol as well. Was very surprised with its performance and how comfortable it is in my pocket in its holster. Two friends bought one after seeing mine.
I love my LCPII. I had an LCP for a long while but when the II came out I never looked back. Can't imagine a better pocket .380. Always use a holster, though...
A buddy of mine has one and I shot it a couple weeks ago. It's very accurate, but I didn't like it for two reasons. The sights are garbage. Not that you would be using the sights in a real-life situation, but they're not very visible at all. Also the mag release button is positioned right where your thumb goes. Twice I dropped the mag while shooting the gun. Not good. I've shot the LCP and LCPII. The LCPII is much better than the original.
I had the mag drop issue on my lcp, but got used to it and how to prevent it. I sold the LCP and replaced it iwth a walther pps m2, but that still wasn't small enough for pocket carry so I just ordered a LCP ii.
Adriana Kuzmikova I just got a Remora Pocket holster for mine 25.00. I don't like the one it came with from Ruger it's not sticky enough and likes to come out with the gun! You shouldn't have to worry about it going off in your pocket. Especially in the Remora or Sticky holster. The padding is thick enough to prevent it from firing. Yes the trigger safety is a drop safety, it prevents the gun from firing when dropped. If you really want an ankle holster look at the bugbite. I believe it's made by SneakyPete. They also sell a holster that rides on the outside on your belt that basically looks like a cellphone case or something. It's a good option to consider if you don't want to pocket carry. Good Luck!
Hey...an Australian here with very limited access to pocket type pistols. I'm intrigued as to just how shootable pocket carry 380's are compared to full sized service pistols. Are they really limited to engagements in the 5-7 yard range? Could an AVERAGE shooter effectively use them out to, say, 20 yards? I've managed to shoot a m1911A1 on several occasions. How accurate and shootable are these 380's compared to service pistols like the m1911?
I got the TCP with a laser on it in pink for the wife. they are the best budget guns in the market. there been stories of this gun going for 8k rounds and more.
Why are so many people complaining about the Ruger LCP II trigger? They say it's to light and dangerous to carry with one in the chamber. Umm. Isn't it basically the same as the Glock or any other striker fired pistol without a manual safety?
Just like any gun, you should only carry them in a pocket holster or regular holster with the trigger blocked from access until the gun is drawn. Pocket carrying a gun without the trigger protected is a recipe for disaster. Just ask Plaxico Burress.
This comparison really needed the original LCP as well. The TCP and LCP are both discontinued and have been replaced with the LCP II and the Spectrum. The Bodyguard is also a double action hammer fired gun like the original LCP and the TCP. While the LCP II is a single action firearm and the new Spectrum has a striker fired trigger.
Yes, the Glock 42 (.380 ACP) is a neat gun. It should have been in the video above. My personal problem with it is very unfortunate for me as it is reliable & very, very concealable. The Problem: My hands are XL so the gun's grip is too small & my finger placement on the trigger is awkward. Hence I shoot the *slightly bigger* Glock 43 (9mm) much better. So I may sell my best concealable gun, the Glock 42 only because it is what it's suppose to be: *small.*
I had a CW380 and it didn't work 95% of the time and slide lever broke only 185 rounds in !! I sent it back and they returned it in working condition and then I traded it for a TCP. Never again will I buy a khar.
The TCP is very available as of 12/17... try Slickguns.com for the best price... I love mine, and you can buy for $150...a steal, IMHO. Some dislike them, I have never had a failure of any kind after 500 rounds. Accurate too. The LCPII and kahr P380 have both had major feed issues. The Kahr P9 is a sweet shooter, if you buy Kahr, buy ONLY a 9mm!!
@@bking12762 True. However, some people feel more comfortable with a safety. I also have both a Ruger LC9s and LC9s pro. The regular LC9s has a thumb safety which is easily disengaged if you train yourself. The 'pro' has no safety. Because this pistol has a very light trigger, I prefer to pocket carry the regular LC9s. The market has spoken. Ruger no longer makes the LC9s pro, but they still make the LC9s. By the way, the LC9s can also be pocket carried, although it requires a larger pocket. It has a longer sight radius that the Ruger LCP 2 and I find it easier to shoot accurately. it also uses 9mm, which is easier to find than .380.
Extractor on my LCP 2 .380 during regular range shooting with Sammi Spec .380 rendering thus firearm useless at round #75. A Ruger experts cited the North Carolina Factory as not building the slide to specifications that lead to catastrophic failure of this firearm
I have an original LCP, not the II. The LCP slide does not stay locked back after last round is discharged. Which if any of these 3 models leave the slide back after last shot? Also the trigger pull is very long compared to other guns I own. Hard not to anticipate.
I traded off my LCP II in less than 2 weeks , shortest ownership stint ever for me. Got a real gun a Sig 238. The LCP was a palm stinger and was not all that pocket carry afterall. If you want true pocket carry got Keltec .32 if you want a real gun up[ size a bit
i carry the Bodyguard, but once the LCPII came out I felt buyers remorse and was considering a switch. However when I picked up the LCP I did not like the feel of the grip. I don't have large hands but the S&W M&P gave me that fraction of an inch more grip. I must agree however, that the trigger pull needs to get used too.
Excellent video Bravo. I really like the S&W but on my research I have found that it has light primer strikes. The LCP doesn’t make me feel safe with one in the chamber. I’m the type that carries one in the chamber at all times but brother this one just doesn’t make me feel safe and of course it will be in a pocket holster. Between the LCP and S&W which would you go with or any other 380.
I have severe rheumatoid arthritis in my hands. I've tried all these including the Colt Mustang XSP. To each is own but my personal favorite is the LCP II smoothest trigger, and easiest to handle with my hands. But again always remember to each is on.
@@jshepard152 the model you're talking about is the m&p shield 380 Ez, I bought one for my Fiance. She has weak hands and some mild anxiety issues, and I have no doubt in my mind that she can operate that firearm flawlessly in high stress situations. It's by no means a pocket carry gun, but it is a compact pistol worth owning especially if you have afflicted or weaker hands
I have a Taurus TCP and an ORIGINAL Ruger LCP. I started having problems with the Taurus jamming. It would jam when racking the slide and also while firing. I could not find anything wrong with it, and haven't had it looked at yet. I bought the original LCP about 2 years ago to replace it. I put about 20 rounds a month through it. So far no issues. I have fired the LCPII, and actually prefer the trigger on the LCP. Yes, it is heavier and has a longer pull. But remember this is NOT a target pistol. In a self defense situation, you are going to have a lot of adrenaline pumping, and pulling that trigger is not going to be a problem. And if is safer when carrying with a round in the chamber, as I always do. Everybody seems to be falling all over themselves praising the LCPII, and putting down the original LCP. I have fired both, and still prefer the original LCP for concealed carry self defense use. The trigger on the LCPII is a bit more precise, but that makes no difference in a life or death situation.
I had the same problem with my Taurus 738 , did a little research , take 1000 grit sand paper and polish the ramp and you will never have a jam again even with hollow points
You know what would be cool? An ultimate 380 mouse gun comparison. Here is a list. - S&W Bodyguard - Ruger LCP II Max - Ruger LCP II - Ruger LCP - SCCY CPX-4 - DB380 - Kahr 380 - Taurus Spectrum - Taurus TCP 738 - Keltec P3AT I did not list - AMT - Ruger LC380 - Shield EZ - Walther PPK - Seecamp 380 These are either too large or heavy. Some may be small,but heavy. The Seecamp would be light enough if it was in .32. The 380 version is too heavy The criteria I used was - 16 oz loaded with standard flush fit factory magazine in the pistol. - Ankle or pocket carry. Ideally both. - Under 1.2" thick at the maximum - Barrel length not to exceed 4" - .380 caliber only.
The lawyer trigger will get you killed.S&W is too worried about law suits rather than to make an accurate FIRE ARM WITH A 6LB TRIGGER?? They don't realize that a trigger with this much pull causes you to pull right off the target and miss completely.if the lawyers want to determine the standards for the pistol let them carry it??? enough said??
Nice video. I have the S&W and The LCP II. The safety on the S&W is redundant. With a trigger heavy like that, you really don't need a thumb safety. As far as the LCP II goes, I have a different opinion. If you look at the LCP first generation, the hammer had a half way position when you rack the slide. So, when you pulled the trigger on that one, the hammer would travel the other half back and then released. The LCP II, as well mentioned by you, it is just a release, because it is a pretty much a single action, like an 1911. Because of that, in my humble opinion, the LCP II should have a thumb safety. My LCP II takes less than you mentioned, on my scale, to release that hammer. around 4 pounds. The Glock trigger is not just a release.
Fun With Guns Family Channel .... I just got the LCP 2 and was very disappointed when I saw in the manual where it stated that the pistol should not be carried with a round in the chamber.
Texas S 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻they don’t trust their own product. Or just a liability thing. Anyways, I myself don’t feel safe carrying a round in the chamber with LCP II. Some will say it’s just a matter of training. With that pistol it is not, believe me. If you want a round on the chamber get a real DA pistol or carry a 1911ish gun with a thumb safety. I don’t have this concern with my Keltec P32, 380. You want something even safer? Go for a J-frame. People say safety is between the years, sure it is, if you have brains you won’t be the cause of you own misfortune.
Fun With Guns Family Channel .... I think it's just a liability thing, but does not give me the "warm and fuzzy". I love my P238, got the LCP due to looks and weight.
Fun With Guns Family Channel My comment goes out to all. I don’t buy handguns with safety’s and I always carry with one in the chamber. I have heard lot’s of good things about the LCP 2 but I just don’t know if I feel comfortable with one in the chamber in my pocket and of course in a holster.. Let my know what you guys think. Also if the Bodyguard is a better Choice . The only thing about the BG that I hear is negative is little primer strikes
Excellent Video!! I have the SW Bodyguard since 2013 nah had multiple problems: 1. Light primer strikes 2. Magazine Falling off aft shooting 3. Slide Not remaining open aft last Round. 4. Laser Broke eventually Had it mailed to SW free of charge and got practically a new Bodyguard. Now, Im coveting that Taurus after this video haha
Yeap, I carry the lcp custom due to it's double action feature for safety. Family member has the lcp11; both are 100% reliable. The black pearl p238 with engraving resides in a heirloom case. This baby passed its break-in period and is not carried or shot--don't want to scratch it!!lol
for me. the dbl action trigger on the Taurus is a plus. I am a wheel gun lover. The Taurus is capable of allowing the shooter to hand the hammer on the first shot for precise aiming. The rest of the rounds are like a striker fire gun. Point pull the trigger until you want it to fall then BANG. Then all following rounds are like any striker fire shots. Very comfortable & accurate. On the S&W, I found the trigger gritty & hard. The Ruger does not have a second strike ability. My choice is the Taurus PT738; but who cares what I think? I surely don't care what you think. That is just life. It is nice that he got into the break down of the guns, but, who cares! If you are in a combat situation. All of us are not going to break down our guns in a combat fight!! Get real!! He is a nice guy.
Idk if anyone else had this problem with the ruger lcp2 but I just bought mine a couple days ago and took it shooting the next morning and I literally put 14 rounds through it and the slide flew off as it slid back?? Never even took it apart either...I don't even wanna shoot it anymore. Can anyone explain why this happened?
I have the Kel Tec p380. I’m looking at the Ruger lcp2. I like the feel and how it shoots. But I have a question.. the LCP was a spin off in design of the p380. Can you tell me if the mags for my Kel Tec fit the lcp2 ? I assume it will fit my Kel Tec holsters. Thanks
I think I would keep the kel tec if I were you..lcp2 nothing but trouble, sent in and they replaced the whole slide and magazine.... still jammed up so I got rid of it went to glock 43
I've had both the original and the LCP II. BOTH had FTF and jamming issues. Speaking to a Ruger tech by phone, he advised me to use ONLY ball ammo, to mitigate such reliability problems. To me, that downgrades the pistol to UNreliable!
Jason Waite im guessing becuase these are made for CC. Not saying a .22 wont do the job with good shot placement... but realistically who the hell wants to carry a .22? Im a .45 guy but the absolute smallest id carry is a 380, and i think gun makers feel the same for the most part
@@sonnygunz9207 25 acp and 22lr both fail tests to often for companies to spend RnD on them for ccw that's just a truth a small group who still believe in a product that doesn't sell isn't worth the companies time.
Chris, your videos are really well shot and descriptive and you're a great guy to do business with. That said, you might not realize you're doing it but you said some variation of "we DO have" or "it DOES have" a full 20 times (I counted) in the first three minutes and thirty seconds of this video. It starts to grate slightly. I'm not pointing it out to gripe, I just wanted to let you know because I think it'd be pretty cool to have my local LGS guy be a famous and successful gun youtuber and I wanna help. 😂
TheKyleMark baha you're right! Yea - ive been trying to watch that - you're not the first to notice! I'll get better, I promise lol. Thanks for watching and for your support, both on the channel and in the store!
Billy that's true but the damn thing has got to be reliable i'm not reaching for that rocket in my pocket>> I'm reaching for that little safety valve just in case things start to get a little hairy??
I'm a micro .380 ACP kind of guy for BUGs (backup guns)... I used to favor the Beretta 950 Jetfire with the tip up barrel in .25 ACP until they were discontinued. I put my Inox and blued up for safe keeping. I made the switch to .380 ACP instead. Currently to date I own five BUGs in .380 ACP. 1) GLOCK G-42 FDE frame 1/500 1) Colt Mustang Pocketlite stainless 1) Kahr P-380 stainless Premium 1) Sig Sauer P-238 Nitron 1) Kimber Desert Night Micro .380 I'm kind of looking for a beater that has no sentimental value or prestigious ownership characteristics. One you can take fishing with you and if it takes a drink, so what. One that can be heavily sweated on in 90+ degree weather, knocked around and beaten up. Out of the three in the video I would choose the Ruger LCP II over any other for that purpose. I'm a GLOCK guy so you can imagine how much I hate S&W M&P pistols. The only thing I will own in S&W are revolvers, and I have a bunch. Taurus has made pure junk since the mid 90s after they quit putting them in the black box with yellow/gold logo and print. Look at a old model 85 and look at a new one. If you can't tell the difference you can't pass your vision test to get your drivers license and it should be revoked. The Ruger LCP and LCP II sure beat the hell out of a Jennings J-22 for a beater pistol......TRUST ME, I KNOW! Ruger LCP II it is for the win! John
Oh, and to make good on that joke.... 1980s to mid 1990s Taurus model 85. img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130317144035/walkingdead/images/5/5a/Taurus85.jpg oi65.tinypic.com/8yb3gh.jpg The junk they make today. cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/09/27/583265_02_taurus_model_85_640.jpg Keep that in mind when shopping for Taurus handguns. You want a pre mid 90's model in a black box with yellow/gold print and logo. images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_24163/gi_100831786/TAURUS-MODEL-M85-STAINLESS-38-SPECIAL-DOUBLE-SINGLE-ACTION-REVOLVER_100831786_24163_970809E874185849.jpg
Well, I now own a Ruger LCP 2. After typing my first reply I was thinking about one again. I knew a local shop has them on sale this week for $279 + tax. I now own one of those too! :D Also, the pics you see on the internet and the UA-cam videos make it appear to be full on "tactitard" or a "Batman" design. In person it is more subtle and they look much much better in person. Overall build quality is very good and I even noticed a steel guide rod instead of that flimsy toothpick thin polymer one these types of cheapo pocket pistols have. As always, I removed the retarded bugger hook finger extension on the magazine and installed the flush fit one. You don't need that if you practice weekly and know how to shoot ANY pistol, not just one of these micros. It's strictly a training issue and by the time people get done adding all this shit to their pocket guns, they might as well just bought a midsize pistol. I think I am going to hit the front sight with some white sight paint to help visibility even though these LCP 2 sights are far superior to the LCP. I like the fact they give you a pocket pistol holster in the box for free even though it isn't my normal brands I usually use. This one will work for now until I wear it out. What this all boils down to is this is a great under $300 beater that will see things my other seven never will........I'm gonna shoot the hell out of it to make it prove itself way before I ever dream of carrying it and trusting my life to it. I do this with every pistol I own, so this is no different here. I'm also a master reloader with over 25 years experience. This pistol will never see a single round of factory "practice ammo"....only SD factory ammo. Happy John
Love the BG .380
The long/heavy trigger feels safe in pocket.
Yeah but it lacks the fire rate and accuracy because of the heavy trigger pull. Lcp is effortless and stays on target. Imo
I've owned all three. The only one I have still and love is the TCP 738. Great little gun for what I use it for. It does not like FMJ ammo or Steelcase Russian ammo. It will however fire Hornady self-defense rounds all day long without issue.
I use it as a pocket carry or for days when my CZ is just too much to carry for where I'm going or what I'm doing that day. I love the long smooth trigger pull and also how concealable it is. If I pull the trigger it shoots. Every time. And without fail
I love the tcp but it’s ammo feeding isssues ruined it for me. Lcp 2 never fails
I have two of these…reliable and accurate! Bought on the recommendation of a former LEO and current range owner. It is the easiest to carry anywhere and anytime, I have holsters to work in all conceivable clothing situations (I’m female). I have a few carry options, but this is the one I can conceal easiest, and it’s light weight.
I own the LCP 2, and it is a great shooting handgun. It definitely takes some practice to shoot it accurately beyond 5 yards due to its small size and light weight. I painted the front sight neon orange to help it stand out.
As you turn 22 Nightcore the thing to you and then look tell me to 3147
I’ve owned all three and have to say the LCP II has the others beat in terms of shoot-ability, ease of carry & reliability. The Taurus has a serious trigger short stroke problem that could be dangerous in a confrontation. My S&W BG developed light strike problems after two years of absolute reliability. I also own both LCP models and they have been 100% w/FMJ and hollow point ammo. The trigger on both LCP models measures 7.5 to 8 lbs on my trigger scale, but the reset on the LCP II is much crisper making follow up shots easier and more accurate.
My LCP 1.5 hates some hollow points. They jam up on the feed ramp. Otherwise it's a good gun.
Thanks for very detailed overview.
Did you ever resolve the lite primer strike issue? Galloway Precision has a heavier spring to resolve the lite primer strike issue...
Is there a way of tweaking the heavy trigger pull on the Bg u know of?? It's ridiculous for follow up shots like you said. Yeah it works on the range if u squeeze slowwwwly while aiming till u hit the sweet spot then boom 💥. But then gotta do it all over again 5x? Smh in real life that's too much time wasted.
The bodyguard light strike problem is a real thing. Still 4 years after your post Its still a common problem. As long as you use soft primer ammo like Federal you should be 100% fine.
Excellent video! I have been set on a LCP2 but I like to research the shit out of everything I buy. I will check out your channel.
I've got an M&P 380 model minus the thumb safety & no laser. Love this gun and it is EXCEPTIONALLY accurate for a pocket .380 handgun. GREAT everyday carry gun.......
is there a model of bodyguard that comes without safety and with laser out of the box? why did you choose version without laser? how many rounds have you fired from bodyguard so far and how is its reliability and ammo sensitivity? do you still carry it?
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 I have one too w/o safety or laser. gun runs well with just about any ammo. carry purposes i use double tap 100 fmj. hundreds of rounds w/o problems. Sharpie makes a white marker that I used to highlight front sight. works great
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 As of today(July 11, 2020) I still carry this gun from time to time. Time tested and with most ammunition it performs without a jam (does not do well with Fiocchi). The laser to me is a gimmick and not applicable in the sense of THIS gun for practical defense use. The absence of the thumb safety is an appeal to me based on my training and personal preferences. The laser-less safety-less model was initially inspired by the Los Angeles Police Dept for issue as an approved backup/off duty gun. The LAPD tried out the Bodyguard before it was offered minus the safety and laser. The run made to their specs picked up in the civilian market......
@@lttruck2973 I dig mine too. Eats most ammo with exception to Fiocchi (hang fires). Always a nice option if I want a deeper concealment wear for the day....
@@ver151set Yeah I've heard stories about Bodyguards that were lemons. Mine works great but doesn't like Fiocchi ammunition....
My TCP was questionable until I polished the feed ramp and some internal components. Once that was done, and a few hundred rounds though it, I have no issues.
That LCP is the way to go. I never knew carrying could be so easy and before the .380 I carried a G43 and thought that was as good as it got.
Just don't put in pocket with one in chamber imo
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 thats why i went with the p238 i wanted sao and it has a thumb saftey
Your comparison review was very well executed. You described the differences thoroughly. Nice job. These are the types of comparisons we need to see more of. Keep up the good work!
This is the second of your videos that I have looked at today. Both worlds standing and looking forward to searching out others
Nice, unbiased, and informative
Excellent thorough introduction - i am sold on Rugger LCP11-.22LR first choice or Rugger 380 second choice. Thank you!
Elena Celeste I have both LCP 2s the .22 has major failure to feed issues, even with feed ramp polish and CCI ammo used. Thinking about letting it go
Just got my TCP and love it. Great review though. FYI, if you lock the frame with one in the chamber, you'll break the gun, but i carry Condition 3 anyway.
I’m telling you this because they tell me the TCP is the most reliable pocket .380 in their rental case. Their renter has over 10,000 rounds through it with no breakages. None of the other contenders can claim that. The SIG P238 is, however, a close runner up (one in-house repair). The Ruger LCP, known as a stout little gun, comes in third (with a warranty trip or two). But the others don’t seem to like high round counts and rental-type abuse.
They all great concealed weapons, I have the Taurus 738, Springfield alpha 911 and the Kimber micro .380
Thing is the TCP has/had a common issue where the slide release tab inside the fram was too big and the bullets being chambered would get caught by the tab failing to feed. I'm unsure if it was ever fixed in QC. I fixed this for my father by taking a small file to the metal tab, rounding the corners and removing material. It is an easy fix, with multiple how-to videos on UA-cam, but a fatal flaw in it's construction and QC. I do however really like Taurus, I just bought a G2C for a subcompact carry option. They also have a limited lifetime warranty and good customer support. They really nailed it with the G2-G3C series but everything I mentioned above about the TCP is important when considering the purchase.
Great job, I have the TCP just for a in pocket and love it......
I have carried the TCP for 2 years, not bad, liked it. did get a good deal on the Bodyguard which will become my new carry once I train with it.
Love the size of my LCP2 (.380) I've been carrying it IWB, but until I drop a few lbs, it's just not that comfy given my short torso. I may go back to pocket carry - and I'm perfectly happy with that, as well as the included pocket holster. Great for wearing shorts (we're pretty warm here in Austin, so shorts are the dress of choice for most of us. It's obviously snappy, but time spent at the range has dramatically improved my shot placement.
All that said, I also got myself a P365 for those times when I want more power and capacity.
I did a lot of research, as I always do, and the LCP2 was the easy winner with all things considered. I would not say the same thing about any other versions of the LCP, unless Ruger comes out with a new version. Only thing that jumps to mind would be the sights, but as mentioned, all of these are point and shoot in defensive mode, so careful aiming would be more for the range. That said, I put dabs of neon yellow nail polish on the front sight and on the internal hammer.
I originally bought mine for my wife, but that was a mistake. She's just not comfortable with it. For her, we'll stick with revolvers for home defense, and pepper spray for her purse.
Just my .02
Don't know if anyone said anything, but you lock the slide to the rear on the tcp for break down and reassembly. You don't have to hold it like that. And all you do is shake the bbl down to put it in place for the reassembly. I sold my first one and regretted it. It was the ss slide came with two mags and the bulldog case. Never had an issue with it. Bought the second used and on got one factory mag and no case. Both have been flawless. Kinda funny reading the snobs reading the snobs and their comments. And magpro mags suck.
Nice job. Don Pablo is a big fan of your comparison videos they're the best on UA-cam
Pablo Escobar thanks for watching!
Damn, they get UA-cam in Hell?!
TCP is pretty cool, i had one a long while back. Since then iv traded countless times. But every now and then i remember how cool that tcp was . Now years later i got an lcp 2, which is my everyday pocket carry
I carry the tcp hot always , but in a desantis pocket holster . Same as I carried my 1st gen bodyguard 380 with desantis pocket holster
Thanks so much!! "It does have" might be removed from your repertoire. Hate to be critical...but...it constructive criticism. "It does have" gets very repetitive. Go Hoosiers. Love my Bodyguard. It's very safe... long, heavy trigger, Can you tell I'm an old revolver guy. Lol.
Revolvers forever - literally and figuratively.
I’ve owned all three and presently carry the original, second generation, LCP b/c it has been 100% reliable and is pretty easy to shoot. The S&W was my favorite but developed light strike problems after about a year so I let it go. The Taurus trigger was too light, less then 4 lbs measured, and not safe enough IMHO for pocket carry/self defense. Heavier triggers are a safety measure in a self defense gun and something I’m used to from being a long time revolver shooter.
Old Cop you are a wise man. I also use the LCP second generation, for the same safe trigger feel, and also it shoots anything n everything reliably. However I just bought a RM380 Remington, and so far it's as reliable as the Ruger, and way more comfortable in the hand. 😎
Marked Man I recently p/u the LCPII and I rotate between the two. The LCPII had to go back to Ruger for feeding problems but it’s been flawless since (they had it back to me in 10 days). I carry both w/the factory 7 round mag to help w/my big hands & accuracy out to 10 yards and it does not compromise pocket carry. The measured trigger pull on both guns is 7.5#.
Do you reload your own ammo?
I bought the bodyguard prior to the lcpll. It doesn't matter I heard from people that have the lcpll it has issue's jamming. I've had the bodyguard for 4 year's or so and have shot a few thousand rounds and it has never jammed. Nice review.
Gianna Filicia. I heard the lcp ll does not like Remington ammo . Other than that its very dependable .
I got to shoot the Bodyguard and the Ruger LCP II, pretty much agree with everything you said about them. But, I am pretty sure the barrel on the Bodyguard is a MIM part. I do kinda wish at the end you would have said which pistol you liked best and why.
The pocket holster included with the lcp2 is much nicer than anything you will find at Walmart. The construction is solid and covers all the important parts, and the fact that it has the tongue that grabs your pocket is a really nice feature for a freebie with the gun. I probably would prefer it over a spare mag.
I still got another one. The holster it comes with just fits to tight on the gun. I got another one from bass pro that fits a little looser so it stays behind in the pocket more reliably
I'm leaning toward the M&P. Thanks for the video!
My tcp came with two magazines. I did purchase it about a year and a half ago
I have all 3 and the Ruger and S&W are going back for repairs. The TCP was the only one that was 100% out of the box and much more comfortable to shoot. The TCP is the easiest to take down and put back together. Very good video.
Thanks for sharing your experience here, I really appreciate it! Also, thanks for your feedback :-D
I used to like taurus until I bought a PT709 Slim. It came with only 1 mag which I did not noticed until I got home. I tried everything for 2 years to find an extra magazine to no avail. Taurus customer service finally told me I should get rid of the gun . I sold the pistol and all of the other taurus guns I owned.
That story had a sad ending 😔
I’ll say one thing, the Bodyguard comes with 2 mags at least. The LCP2 only comes with one. But I love my LCP2. I really have no experience with these other pistols.
Haven't tried the rest, like my LCP2
How is it in reliability?
The bodyguard does have a small window on the top of the slide so you can see if there is one in chamber. But all three will work
LCP II is a great gun!
Good to know, is it reliable?
Can't speak for the LCP II but I love my TCP. Extremely reliable gun. Even with HP's and us much more comfortable to shoot than the Bodyguard in my opinion. I really want to shoot the Spectrum if/when it ever comes out!
Tim Rice I haven't either. They were supposed to be available the end of June but the closest I've seen so far to being able to get one is pre-ordering one at @ Cabela's but who knows how long you have to wait to get it and the color schemes were extremely limited. looked like it was all black or black frame w/ stainless slide and that was it. Good luck with your search.
Also LOVE my TCP. Runs everything - even cheap crap ammo like Tula and Monarch steel cased. I actually enjoy using this as a range gun and run at least 100 rounds every range visit. Super reliable and easy to carry and conceal - it's my EDC now. I wonder if all the bad reviews about FTFs are for te older models. Mine's a 2017 series D production run.
Buds has this for $158 now; thinking of getting another one to stash away in another place in the house.
Better than the LCP2, which has unnecessarily snag-prone higher sites, it's SOA (and you can't see the hammer to be able to tell if you're cocked), has that unnec pinky extension curve (why not just make it flush and add a round?), unnec serrations on the front of the slide for overhand when slingshotting is better/safer, and the trigger is a dual weight - I prefer the same pull throughout; and that mag release isn't imbedded so it's more prone to accidental pressing esp when the gun jumps. Just my own preferences though. For those who like it, hey, more power to ya - just keep on carrying, fellow 2A-ers!
CCW Noob Couldn't agree more with you on the TCP. I mix up my EDC gun depending on the situation and where I'm going but I find myself carrying the TCP more and more. I would say 80% of the time. The rest of the time it's the PT111 G2 (Another fantastic Taurus gun). The TCP is just so darn comfortable and easy to carry. Fits in pocket so easily. I added a Pachmayer grip glove and a Garrison mag extension and it still easily fits in the pocket of any pants or shorts i have. I could now shoot that gun all day long at the range with those two little additions! Mine eats any ammo I put thru it as well. Can't say the same for my Curve though. That lgun is very picky especially with HP's. Safe shooting!
CCW Noob Forgot to say great info on the LCP2. Thanks!
Which of the three has the best trigger and quickest reset, the only one I have shot so far was the original Ruger which really left a bad taste in my mouth for Rugers. That gun was simply horrible and I would rather strap on a 45 Auto than to try to carry that thing.
The LCP II's greatest points are its tiny size, reliability, and accuracy, but most of all its superb trigger and DA/SA firing. One (first) long trigger pull as a safety, and then it's SA. And Ruger customer service is excellent.
What da fuk? The lcp 2 is not da/sa. None of these guns featured are.
Great video! Thanks for the detailed comparison.
I own the TCP and Ruger they work great...no issues...I am considering getting the bodyguard now ..maybe it will do the same.
Yeah Samuel Q? Which would you suggest? I was just about to get the TCP but its not too late
I have an lcp2 and as far as pocket pistols are concerned I think the ruger is the most comfortable compact gun I've ever had or handled. Never had a malfunction. Nothing against smith they make great guns especially revolvers. Taurus is ok though.
The LCP looks like a keeper.
Definitely is. Got it at a gunshow earlier this year because I couldn't pass up its $275 price tag. Always kinda wanted a nice pocket pistol as well. Was very surprised with its performance and how comfortable it is in my pocket in its holster. Two friends bought one after seeing mine.
I love my LCPII. I had an LCP for a long while but when the II came out I never looked back. Can't imagine a better pocket .380. Always use a holster, though...
A buddy of mine has one and I shot it a couple weeks ago. It's very accurate, but I didn't like it for two reasons. The sights are garbage. Not that you would be using the sights in a real-life situation, but they're not very visible at all. Also the mag release button is positioned right where your thumb goes. Twice I dropped the mag while shooting the gun. Not good. I've shot the LCP and LCPII. The LCPII is much better than the original.
I had the mag drop issue on my lcp, but got used to it and how to prevent it. I sold the LCP and replaced it iwth a walther pps m2, but that still wasn't small enough for pocket carry so I just ordered a LCP ii.
Adriana Kuzmikova I just got a Remora Pocket holster for mine 25.00. I don't like the one it came with from Ruger it's not sticky enough and likes to come out with the gun! You shouldn't have to worry about it going off in your pocket. Especially in the Remora or Sticky holster. The padding is thick enough to prevent it from firing. Yes the trigger safety is a drop safety, it prevents the gun from firing when dropped. If you really want an ankle holster look at the bugbite. I believe it's made by SneakyPete. They also sell a holster that rides on the outside on your belt that basically looks like a cellphone case or something. It's a good option to consider if you don't want to pocket carry. Good Luck!
Outstanding overview. A format/style unseen elsewhere. Good information.
Hey...an Australian here with very limited access to pocket type pistols.
I'm intrigued as to just how shootable pocket carry 380's are compared to full sized service pistols. Are they really limited to engagements in the 5-7 yard range? Could an AVERAGE shooter effectively use them out to, say, 20 yards?
I've managed to shoot a m1911A1 on several occasions. How accurate and shootable are these 380's compared to service pistols like the m1911?
I got the TCP with a laser on it in pink for the wife. they are the best budget guns in the market. there been stories of this gun going for 8k rounds and more.
Why are so many people complaining about the Ruger LCP II trigger? They say it's to light and dangerous to carry with one in the chamber. Umm. Isn't it basically the same as the Glock or any other striker fired pistol without a manual safety?
Just like any gun, you should only carry them in a pocket holster or regular holster with the trigger blocked from access until the gun is drawn. Pocket carrying a gun without the trigger protected is a recipe for disaster. Just ask Plaxico Burress.
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I guess there is a reason why RUGER delivers a pocket holster with the gun. It should say something to the new owner.
Herr Mahlzahn unfortunately common sense doesn’t always apply to some, and providing a pocket holster is no guarantee that someone will use it.
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True
LIke a Glock -- that's the problem. Number one for accidental discharges.
I wanted a TCP, but eventually went with a Beretta Pico. Both lock back on the final round, I think the LCP II does too.
This comparison really needed the original LCP as well. The TCP and LCP are both discontinued and have been replaced with the LCP II and the Spectrum. The Bodyguard is also a double action hammer fired gun like the original LCP and the TCP. While the LCP II is a single action firearm and the new Spectrum has a striker fired trigger.
It really needed a Glock 42 (.380 ACP).
I've got one of those too. Really soft shooter for a .380.
Yes, the Glock 42 (.380 ACP) is a neat gun. It should have been in the video above.
My personal problem with it is very unfortunate for me as it is reliable & very, very concealable.
The Problem: My hands are XL so the gun's grip is too small & my finger placement on the trigger is awkward. Hence I shoot the *slightly bigger* Glock 43 (9mm) much better.
So I may sell my best concealable gun, the Glock 42 only because it is what it's suppose to be: *small.*
I had a CW380 and it didn't work 95% of the time and slide lever broke only 185 rounds in !! I sent it back and they returned it in working condition and then I traded it for a TCP. Never again will I buy a khar.
The TCP is very available as of 12/17... try Slickguns.com for the best price... I love mine, and you can buy for $150...a steal, IMHO. Some dislike them, I have never had a failure of any kind after 500 rounds. Accurate too.
The LCPII and kahr P380 have both had major feed issues. The Kahr P9 is a sweet shooter, if you buy Kahr, buy ONLY a 9mm!!
Very great detailed and comprehensive everything . I had been thinking of the barrel differences and you had that too. great job man.
Thanks - I really appreciate your feedback and thanks so much for watching!
Wish the LCP2 had a safety. Otherwise, the light trigger and bigger sights make this more accurate than the LCP.
what gun do you use for pocket carry and what 380 ammo do you use?
It has 2 safeties...the first is the holster and the other is the space between your ears.
@@bking12762 True. However, some people feel more comfortable with a safety. I also have both a Ruger LC9s and LC9s pro. The regular LC9s has a thumb safety which is easily disengaged if you train yourself. The 'pro' has no safety. Because this pistol has a very light trigger, I prefer to pocket carry the regular LC9s. The market has spoken. Ruger no longer makes the LC9s pro, but they still make the LC9s. By the way, the LC9s can also be pocket carried, although it requires a larger pocket. It has a longer sight radius that the Ruger LCP 2 and I find it easier to shoot accurately. it also uses 9mm, which is easier to find than .380.
Great video, thank you! Quite thorough, indeed... cheers!
Extractor on my LCP 2 .380 during regular range shooting with Sammi Spec .380 rendering thus firearm useless at round #75. A Ruger experts cited the North Carolina Factory as not building the slide to specifications that lead to catastrophic failure of this firearm
I've had the TCP and I liked it a lot, but the extractor broke on it after 5 rounds. They sent me a new part pretty fast, but just an fyi.
I have an original LCP, not the II. The LCP slide does not stay locked back after last round is discharged. Which if any of these 3 models leave the slide back after last shot? Also the trigger pull is very long compared to other guns I own. Hard not to anticipate.
The lcp2 lock back the taurus tcp also lock back last round
I traded off my LCP II in less than 2 weeks , shortest ownership stint ever for me. Got a real gun a Sig 238. The LCP was a palm stinger and was not all that pocket carry afterall. If you want true pocket carry got Keltec .32 if you want a real gun up[ size a bit
i carry the Bodyguard, but once the LCPII came out I felt buyers remorse and was considering a switch. However when I picked up the LCP I did not like the feel of the grip. I don't have large hands but the S&W M&P gave me that fraction of an inch more grip. I must agree however, that the trigger pull needs to get used too.
Bodyguard is a true dbl action trigger, LCP is not, no second strike capability. Bodyguard is a lot safer to carry chambered.
Excellent video Bravo.
I really like the S&W but on my research I have found that it has light primer strikes.
The LCP doesn’t make me feel safe with one in the chamber.
I’m the type that carries one in the chamber at all times but brother this one just doesn’t make me feel safe and of course it will be in a pocket holster.
Between the LCP and S&W which would you go with or any other 380.
Man ,my bodyguard has allways been 100% reliable.And if you did start having a light strike situation ,a new hammerspring would most likely fix it
I have severe rheumatoid arthritis in my hands. I've tried all these including the Colt Mustang XSP. To each is own but my personal favorite is the LCP II smoothest trigger, and easiest to handle with my hands. But again always remember to each is on.
They have a Shield model now that's very easy to rack. I forget what it's called but it's great.
@@jshepard152 the model you're talking about is the m&p shield 380 Ez, I bought one for my Fiance. She has weak hands and some mild anxiety issues, and I have no doubt in my mind that she can operate that firearm flawlessly in high stress situations. It's by no means a pocket carry gun, but it is a compact pistol worth owning especially if you have afflicted or weaker hands
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Yes, that's it. It's a neat pistol. Definitely on my short list.
I had looked at the LCP a few years ago but didn't like the triggers at all. Going to the range to throw lead out my new LCP2 today.
I got an LCP2 a couple days ago on impulse and have only dry fired it. Love the improved trigger!
I have a Taurus TCP and an ORIGINAL Ruger LCP. I started having problems with the Taurus jamming. It would jam when racking the slide and also while firing. I could not find anything wrong with it, and haven't had it looked at yet. I bought the original LCP about 2 years ago to replace it. I put about 20 rounds a month through it. So far no issues. I have fired the LCPII, and actually prefer the trigger on the LCP. Yes, it is heavier and has a longer pull. But remember this is NOT a target pistol. In a self defense situation, you are going to have a lot of adrenaline pumping, and pulling that trigger is not going to be a problem. And if is safer when carrying with a round in the chamber, as I always do. Everybody seems to be falling all over themselves praising the LCPII, and putting down the original LCP. I have fired both, and still prefer the original LCP for concealed carry self defense use. The trigger on the LCPII is a bit more precise, but that makes no difference in a life or death situation.
I had the same problem with my Taurus 738 , did a little research , take 1000 grit sand paper and polish the ramp and you will never have a jam again even with hollow points
You know what would be cool?
An ultimate 380 mouse gun comparison.
Here is a list.
- S&W Bodyguard
- Ruger LCP II Max
- Ruger LCP II
- Ruger LCP
- SCCY CPX-4
- DB380
- Kahr 380
- Taurus Spectrum
- Taurus TCP 738
- Keltec P3AT
I did not list
- AMT
- Ruger LC380
- Shield EZ
- Walther PPK
- Seecamp 380
These are either too large or heavy. Some may be small,but heavy. The Seecamp would be light enough if it was in .32. The 380 version is too heavy
The criteria I used was
- 16 oz loaded with standard flush fit factory magazine in the pistol.
- Ankle or pocket carry. Ideally both.
- Under 1.2" thick at the maximum
- Barrel length not to exceed 4"
- .380 caliber only.
The bodyguard trigger pull is so heavy that it is kind of hard to shoot.
Just takes some training..used to be most guns were like that when everyone carried revolvers.
The lawyer trigger will get you killed.S&W is too worried about law suits rather than to make an accurate FIRE ARM WITH A 6LB TRIGGER?? They don't realize that a trigger with this much pull causes you to pull right off the target and miss completely.if the lawyers want to determine the standards for the pistol let them carry it??? enough said??
Nice video. I have the S&W and The LCP II. The safety on the S&W is redundant. With a trigger heavy like that, you really don't need a thumb safety. As far as the LCP II goes, I have a different opinion. If you look at the LCP first generation, the hammer had a half way position when you rack the slide. So, when you pulled the trigger on that one, the hammer would travel the other half back and then released. The LCP II, as well mentioned by you, it is just a release, because it is a pretty much a single action, like an 1911. Because of that, in my humble opinion, the LCP II should have a thumb safety. My LCP II takes less than you mentioned, on my scale, to release that hammer. around 4 pounds. The Glock trigger is not just a release.
Fun With Guns Family Channel .... I just got the LCP 2 and was very disappointed when I saw in the manual where it stated that the pistol should not be carried with a round in the chamber.
Texas S 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻they don’t trust their own product. Or just a liability thing. Anyways, I myself don’t feel safe carrying a round in the chamber with LCP II. Some will say it’s just a matter of training. With that pistol it is not, believe me. If you want a round on the chamber get a real DA pistol or carry a 1911ish gun with a thumb safety. I don’t have this concern with my Keltec P32, 380. You want something even safer? Go for a J-frame. People say safety is between the years, sure it is, if you have brains you won’t be the cause of you own misfortune.
Fun With Guns Family Channel .... I think it's just a liability thing, but does not give me the "warm and fuzzy". I love my P238, got the LCP due to looks and weight.
Texas S I forgot to mention my Kahr P380. Such a nice pistol.
Fun With Guns Family Channel
My comment goes out to all.
I don’t buy handguns with safety’s and I always carry with one in the chamber.
I have heard lot’s of good things about the LCP 2 but I just don’t know if I feel comfortable with one in the chamber in my pocket and of course in a holster..
Let my know what you guys think.
Also if the Bodyguard is a better Choice .
The only thing about the BG that I hear is negative is little primer strikes
Does the Ruger LCP II have a brass opening too show a chambered Round?
Yup it does.
What about reliabilty and shooting comfort?
how much are they whats the difference in price thank you
Excellent Video!! I have the SW Bodyguard since 2013 nah had multiple problems:
1. Light primer strikes
2. Magazine Falling off aft shooting
3. Slide Not remaining open aft last Round.
4. Laser Broke eventually
Had it mailed to SW free of charge and got practically a new Bodyguard. Now, Im coveting that Taurus after this video haha
The Ruger you stated has Reinforced polymer? How so? What is the reinforcement?
I have the bodyguard w/o safety. shoot double tap 100 fmj, sticky holster. Goes with me everywhere. It is accurate
5:13 LCP II's slide is alloy/carbon steel, not stainless steel:
ruger.com/products/lcpII/specSheets/3750.html
Many reports of quick rusting of the LCPs slide when carried in hot or humid climates.
I vote S&W for the thumb safety. Shit happens, especially pocket carry.
Great,Great,Great Video! Thank you!
Just copped the LCP, best option.
Excellent video sir.The Ruger LCP Custom is my choice.
Thanks for watching and for commenting. I appreciate it! Yea, the LCP Customs are excellent options.
Yeap, I carry the lcp custom due to it's double action feature for safety. Family member has the lcp11; both are 100% reliable. The black pearl p238 with engraving resides in a heirloom case. This baby passed its break-in period and is not carried or shot--don't want to scratch it!!lol
for me. the dbl action trigger on the Taurus is a plus. I am a wheel gun lover. The Taurus is capable of allowing the shooter to hand the hammer on the first shot for precise aiming. The rest of the rounds are like a striker fire gun. Point pull the trigger until you want it to fall then BANG. Then all following rounds are like any striker fire shots. Very comfortable & accurate. On the S&W, I found the trigger gritty & hard. The Ruger does not have a second strike ability. My choice is the Taurus PT738; but who cares what I think? I surely don't care what you think. That is just life. It is nice that he got into the break down of the guns, but, who cares! If you are in a combat situation. All of us are not going to break down our guns in a combat fight!! Get real!! He is a nice guy.
how reliable and ammo sensitive is taurus PT738? what 380 ammo do you use in it? do you still carry it or do you carry some other pocket gun?
Excellent detailed comparison, very helpful!
I'm glad you enjoyed it - thanks for watching!
Crazy question... did you once make a video about cleaning a computer out with compressed air?
What’s the cost of all 3 pistols?
Went to the site. All adds but no guns for sale.
Idk if anyone else had this problem with the ruger lcp2 but I just bought mine a couple days ago and took it shooting the next morning and I literally put 14 rounds through it and the slide flew off as it slid back?? Never even took it apart either...I don't even wanna shoot it anymore. Can anyone explain why this happened?
Never had any issues with mine. Call the company!
That was VERY helpful. Thank you! That being said Ill put my shitty old Sigma 380 back in my pocket and stick with that.
I have the Kel Tec p380. I’m looking at the Ruger lcp2. I like the feel and how it shoots. But I have a question.. the LCP was a spin off in design of the p380. Can you tell me if the mags for my Kel Tec fit the lcp2 ? I assume it will fit my Kel Tec holsters.
Thanks
I think I would keep the kel tec if I were you..lcp2 nothing but trouble, sent in and they replaced the whole slide and magazine.... still jammed up so I got rid of it went to glock 43
Ok. Thanks for the info.
Love my LCP 2 22LR
I prefer the LCP custom over those three.
The way the LCP WAS MEANT TO BE MADE >>THE RIGHT WAY??
I've had both the original and the LCP II. BOTH had FTF and jamming issues. Speaking to a Ruger tech by phone, he advised me to use ONLY ball ammo, to mitigate such reliability problems. To me, that downgrades the pistol to UNreliable!
Why don't they make more guns this size in .22lr?
Jason Waite im guessing becuase these are made for CC. Not saying a .22 wont do the job with good shot placement... but realistically who the hell wants to carry a .22? Im a .45 guy but the absolute smallest id carry is a 380, and i think gun makers feel the same for the most part
Jason Waite I’d like to see some major company’s make them in .25acp as well. I think a lot of people would buy them in .22lr/.25acp.
@@sonnygunz9207 25 acp and 22lr both fail tests to often for companies to spend RnD on them for ccw that's just a truth a small group who still believe in a product that doesn't sell isn't worth the companies time.
@@brianmoore9260 the Ruger LCP II does come in .22 lr.
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I see they just released it a few months ago I was unaware they were even making one when I posted that comment.
Chris, your videos are really well shot and descriptive and you're a great guy to do business with.
That said, you might not realize you're doing it but you said some variation of "we DO have" or "it DOES have" a full 20 times (I counted) in the first three minutes and thirty seconds of this video. It starts to grate slightly.
I'm not pointing it out to gripe, I just wanted to let you know because I think it'd be pretty cool to have my local LGS guy be a famous and successful gun youtuber and I wanna help. 😂
TheKyleMark baha you're right! Yea - ive been trying to watch that - you're not the first to notice! I'll get better, I promise lol. Thanks for watching and for your support, both on the channel and in the store!
Didn't do mag release on the LCP
of the three which one racks the easiest?
LCP 2
The best pocket gun is the one you carry with you every day.
That's why I'm getting the tcp
Billy that's true but the damn thing has got to be reliable i'm not reaching for that rocket in my pocket>> I'm reaching for that little safety valve just in case things start to get a little hairy??
Do any of these guns or anything similar come in 9 mm?
Not really. The small 9mm pistols are way bigger than this.
I'm a micro .380 ACP kind of guy for BUGs (backup guns)...
I used to favor the Beretta 950 Jetfire with the tip up barrel in .25 ACP until they were discontinued. I put my Inox and blued up for safe keeping.
I made the switch to .380 ACP instead. Currently to date I own five BUGs in .380 ACP.
1) GLOCK G-42 FDE frame 1/500
1) Colt Mustang Pocketlite stainless
1) Kahr P-380 stainless Premium
1) Sig Sauer P-238 Nitron
1) Kimber Desert Night Micro .380
I'm kind of looking for a beater that has no sentimental value or prestigious ownership characteristics. One you can take fishing with you and if it takes a drink, so what. One that can be heavily sweated on in 90+ degree weather, knocked around and beaten up.
Out of the three in the video I would choose the Ruger LCP II over any other for that purpose. I'm a GLOCK guy so you can imagine how much I hate S&W M&P pistols. The only thing I will own in S&W are revolvers, and I have a bunch. Taurus has made pure junk since the mid 90s after they quit putting them in the black box with yellow/gold logo and print. Look at a old model 85 and look at a new one. If you can't tell the difference you can't pass your vision test to get your drivers license and it should be revoked.
The Ruger LCP and LCP II sure beat the hell out of a Jennings J-22 for a beater pistol......TRUST ME, I KNOW!
Ruger LCP II it is for the win!
John
Oh, and to make good on that joke....
1980s to mid 1990s Taurus model 85.
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The junk they make today.
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Keep that in mind when shopping for Taurus handguns.
You want a pre mid 90's model in a black box with yellow/gold print and logo.
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Well, I now own a Ruger LCP 2. After typing my first reply I was thinking about one again. I knew a local shop has them on sale this week for $279 + tax.
I now own one of those too! :D
Also, the pics you see on the internet and the UA-cam videos make it appear to be full on "tactitard" or a "Batman" design. In person it is more subtle and they look much much better in person. Overall build quality is very good and I even noticed a steel guide rod instead of that flimsy toothpick thin polymer one these types of cheapo pocket pistols have. As always, I removed the retarded bugger hook finger extension on the magazine and installed the flush fit one. You don't need that if you practice weekly and know how to shoot ANY pistol, not just one of these micros. It's strictly a training issue and by the time people get done adding all this shit to their pocket guns, they might as well just bought a midsize pistol.
I think I am going to hit the front sight with some white sight paint to help visibility even though these LCP 2 sights are far superior to the LCP. I like the fact they give you a pocket pistol holster in the box for free even though it isn't my normal brands I usually use. This one will work for now until I wear it out.
What this all boils down to is this is a great under $300 beater that will see things my other seven never will........I'm gonna shoot the hell out of it to make it prove itself way before I ever dream of carrying it and trusting my life to it. I do this with every pistol I own, so this is no different here. I'm also a master reloader with over 25 years experience. This pistol will never see a single round of factory "practice ammo"....only SD factory ammo.
Happy John
Remington rm380! Done!
My TCP trigger is 4.5lbs. Very nice, and smooth. He's lying...or.....making things up, without actually testing, with a trigger pull gauge.
Bodyguard is the best. 👍
Ruger lcp👍🔫
Good video
My bodyguard has a 7-8 lb. factory trigger
Good comparison but missing the performance review.
Nice video. Thanks.