Saying Palworld is promoting animal cruelty reminds me when boomer parents and PETA made the same arguments back when Pokemon first became popular, except now it's being done by game journos.
I mean to be fair I could actually see them actually having an argument. Is it silly? Of course. But you also CAN participate in human trafficking within this game.
You can also capture and enslave humans and mate them with animals. If they're gonna go after it, they could at least go for the "worst" parts of the game 😂
@@rewpertcone8243not really each of the games you mentioned have a specific theme. Elden ring is a rpg that’s dark souls like, bg3 is a rpg that’s turn based, alien wake is not a mainstream game at all and isn’t a large title that everyone cares about, Spider-Man2 is on ps5 only and is quite literally a button bashing game. Also all the games you mentioned are in large part a single player game. Sure you can coop in BG3 but majority of people don’t, and Elden ring is only coop in so areas and pvp if you choose to.
the fact that the Pokémon mod for Palworld got DMCAd but not Palworld itself should already say enough about Nintendo's stance on Palworld's existance.
@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 uh no, Nintendo just goes really REALLY hard against things that actually violate their copyrights, see Pixelmon, Pokemon Uranium, the Metroid 2 remake, the Mario NFT Game. . . you'll notice the moment any of these caught the public eye they got DMCA'd and taken down- the guy who used to be in charge of Nintendo legal straight up said they were DMCAing "several infringing projects each day at a minimum" "so how is Palworld different?" I hear you ask, easy- the same way Digimon, Megami Tensei, Persona, and Ni no kuni can get away with being monster catching and battling games- Nintendo doesn't actually own the concept- they just own the licence to "pokemon" the brand, and "pokemon" the monster designs.
@@crazyabe4571 all of your examples are infringing onto their IP directly. So It's super cookie cutter to just emit a cease and desist. In this case, they have to identify precisely what pals they consider to close to being copied and anotate everything individually in a document because they absolutely cannot emit a complete cease and desist order because the game itself is not something GameFreaks own. That's the thing if something legal happens, they can't say "cease all operation until trial is done" because depending on the verdict, they would have to reimburse the estimated losses and GameFreaks would have to pay them. Also, yes they don't own "monster based" games. But why did everyone compared it to Pokemon and not Digimon or YuGiOh or Dragon Quest... because the concept is similar, the designs are similar, the art style is similar. That's why it's problematic. Can we all say, regardless of Palworld, all of Pocket Pair games have very dubious art direction? To me the most disgusting one is the Hollow Knight one.
@@minartson an obvious over exeggeration i agree lets say the vocal nintendo simps who buy the same thing over and over again and loving it is that better ^^?
@damsen978only people I've seen mad at this game are nintendo fanboys. I think that many hardcore nintendo pokemon fans don't want to admit this is an upgrade
@damsen978 I think that adds to the appeal of the game, cute little creatures shooting guns, having to hit them yourself personally to lower their hp to catch them, making them work and the game giving you feedback in the form of their thoughts about the basically slave work you make them do. That has definitely been done on purpose. I also agree it looks like a thrown together cash grab. And yeah there's probably pokemon fanboys also playing it if they're not hating on it, but they will probably go right back to the newest pokemon game when it gets released. They're hardcore fans for a reason. (Also console differences, palworld being on PC and pokemon on nintendo devices makes me think it's not really a competitor that 'takes away' fans from nintendo) hopefully it does scare nintendo a little, thinking more people will capitalize on changing the pokemon formula and they will finally start putting effort into their pokemon games
nintendo is literally the thing vs thing (japan) meme if nintendo wasn't a japanese company with OH SO MUCH HISTORY nobody would give a shit and would treat them like activision blizzard
If this is an issue, then all souls-like are essentially an issue too. The designs of the pals or "pokemon" are dissimilar enough that it's clear there is inspiration, but clear that they are their own designs too. The mechanics have similarities conceptually and practically, but there are against dissimilarities enough that it is clear it is different. If copy-right is at the level where we can't have fun stuff like this that clearly is not a clone, but heavily inspired / derivative work of others, with its own twists and original design, then copy-right has to go entirely. I, for one, welcome competition to pokémon, and hope that similar games can and will crop up in this and other genres doing similar things.
@NukeCloudstalker I truly do acknowledge, & I see what you've stated to be a greater push, in creativity & to value differences in artistic styles and inspirational direction. I also do think and would have others consider, that Pokemon needs more competition in this sort of stylized art direction going forward, just as Digimon had at one point, given them a run for their money so to speak. We have to be more open minded to different ideas of different games, and styles that may take inspiration from other games, & that is what I would say, is a problem with the Pokémon fanatics, is that they MOSTLY just play Pokémon or JRPGs that have been around long before Palworld as well, then jumping back on the bandwagon, to defend Pokémon at its every beckon call for anything. In short: people need to stop praising & buying into Pokémon games, because it also created a form of delusional realities as well for many, not playing ANY other games other than Pokémon, which is a psychological issue as well, is what I would state or would like to point out. It is like the joke video that was going around, stating this: "just buy said product, for the sake of said product, and be happy no matter what.". Which, I completely DISAGREE with, to be completely, & fully honest with you. People NEED to stop being fans of said franchises, & to STOP praising gaming companies like they do, because they also become engulfed by it like a bunch of cultists, & then we eventually have a much BIGGER problem on our hands, eventually leading towards things like i.e. Generational Pokémon lovers, as well with National Dex Criticizers versus Modern Pokémon Fans for differences to be examined as well.
Nintendo is probably already gathering evidence and getting ready for a lawsuit. The thing is both companies are located in Japan, and the Japanese lawsystem is a little bit different. So before they raise a case, they will probably have a 99,9% chance of winning the lawsuit before they bring it to court. I think another possible lawsuit could be damage to their trademark, as graphic violence associated with Pokemon could be argued to injure their reputation with families in particular, and that is one of their primary demographics.
Update: the guy that was working on the Pokemon mod for Palworld was claiming it was going to be a paid mod and soon after Nintendo's lawyers shut him down ☠
Legends Arceus is the only innovation I have seen in a long time and it wasn't itself a fully refined experience. New Pokemon games can be described - "Same formula recycled again and again to be shit."
@@WriggleNightbug yep, havent bought a switch either and not going too. Id rather pirate the games if so - Honestly tried an emulated BW2 rom hack some time ago and it worked fine.
Theres nothing in the description mentioning it to be a parody at all though. If that was the case i dont think any pokémon fanboys wouldnt enjoy this game either(i mean, look at snakewood lmao)
Pokemon card/plushie collecter here, i dont care for the games, i just like pokemon (the monsters) designs only, so I'm most happy that gamefreak is getting rivaled, It will probably make them realise they cant sit around and make games the quality they are having. Palworlds success might also mean Palworld plushies (If it gets big enough) so i can finally make a Piplup and Pengullet fight each other to the death
This is an example of why support for indie is a good thing. Pokémon and Palworld are supposed to be for fun which is something *MANY* of these corporations have discarded.
@@BrandonWestfall From cambridge dictionary: "a small company, especially a music, film, or television company, or a small shop or other business that is not owned by a larger company:" I guess size might be relative, but it still is a sizable company with probably a few dozens of employees, so I don't think they fit the "small" part too well.
It's worth mentioning as far as the AI stuff goes, that the announcement trailer for Palword was released in June 2021, over a year before Midjourney and Stable Diffusion were released, AND it showcased a fairly large number of Pal designs that are largely unchanged in the game we have today. So if AI was used in the Pal designs, it could only have been on a few of them and it would have to have been done pretty late in the development cycle. Even then, going from a single 2D image to a 3D design in a game takes quite a bit of human work.
@@comet.xbasically unusable at all, honestly. Maybe one day but that day is not today. It also takes immense amounts of time and power to generate. Fuck, generating 6 seconds of video requires 40 gigs of vram...
On top of that steam requires you to state if generative AI was used in the creation of the game, verifies it and states it in the game page if it was indeed used. So yeah, doesn't look like it
Not to mention that Steam has a no AI policy regarding to the publish of your games which requires full transparency on behalf of the team behind the games on what they contain
I mean, the proofs actually the opposite. Sword and shield is at number one(my absolute least favorite game in the franchise, what a bad story) while gen 5(one of the best stories and generations) sold the least. Yknow?
@@cakeeyplayz So you're sitting there with a straight face saying that good games don't sell. Ok. Lmao. Best of luck to you in real life... I have a feeling you'll need it.
Not at all. Do you know how much do the Pokemon games sell? Even the latest ones that are absolute garbage. It's the exact opposite, they sell extraordinarily well with minimal effort
I’m glad people are ripping off Pokémon. The Pokémon formula is awesome, the Pokémon games are embarrassing when you consider it’s the biggest entertainment franchise in the world. Competition breeds innovation, hopefully this makes Nintendo/Game Freak realise they don’t have a monopoly on this kind of game anymore and they actually put some more time and money into their games.
this! nintendo's singular worst characteristic is their ip abuse. imagine people defending ea over game-ruining microtransactions. i don't care if it's straight plagarism, emulation, or a mere reference to their material, all of it should be fine.
okay but pokemon has had competition since its conception and people have dogged them all for being clones (digimon for example) but now that something that literally looks like someone took two pokemon and merged them to call them pals, people are over the moon. it doesnt make sense to me tbh. I'm loving Palworlds and i've loved other games inspired by pokemon, I just dont understand what the sudden shift is all about.
Btw this has NEVER been marketed as “pokemon with guns” this is literally just what everyone’s been calling it, not the devs. Edit: yo chat type “1” in The thread if I should delete this comment
It was marketed as pokemon with guns 2-3 years before release, saw it on Tik Tok everywhere. They specifically campaigned it across Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, etc. They knew what they were doing, but 11/10 game
no one is white knighting nintendo. people are just angry because the pals look like stolen assets and for a game like that to be successful sets a bad precedent for what games consumers will buy
tech geeks 10 years ago : "truck drivers and cashiers should learn how to code. their jobs will be automated and they need to get with the times" tech geeks today : "AI is automating our jobs. we need to stand against it and make sure it doesnt become a standard"
How come I keep seeing people mention “white knighting” but haven’t actually seen anyone doing it? Sure, people are being critical of PalWorld, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are also defending Nintendo. The lack of nuance among this PalWorld discourse is embarrassing.
@@SpaghettiBrainX bad precendent because you want every game concept or every style of character or even every shape of character to be closed source 🤣🤣. Why not make everything open source so I could create whatever the fuck I want and be succesful without 10.000 designers.
@@IronMikeyT just making shit up lmao, the complaints have been from artists not from "tech geeks", if you weren't living under a rock you'd know how much of a topic AI art has been for the past year or two
@@Amieeappleno I don’t think you realize how long it takes to make a polished game just because the concept is similar doesn’t mean it has to do with the game at all most studios don’t care and make their own float on the game.
I feel like a lot of people need to be reminded that you can be critical of palworld AND Pokémon at the same time Edit: just a reminder, angrily arguing with someone is absolutely pointless since neither of you will change your opinion
THIS, I hate that when I say I hate palworld people immediately think I love pokemon, I don’t like both.Pokemon cause they’ve been the same since the 90’s. And palworld cause the ceo is super into OpenAi and NFT’s and I don’t want to support that.
This I hate pokemon and palworld. The devs whole business model is just ripping off other peoples hard work and ideas including Hollowknight aka their game Never Grave and Overdungeon aka Slay the spire. I don't want to support that I want to support games that actually try to be different from each other.
@@brainlesscactus3184 Because they can't take critics of their new favourite game which ironically turns them into the fanboys they make fun of but just for Palworld instead of Pokémon.
if your taste of games is dependent on what the ceo of a company follows then what game can you even play in the modern market that arent like small indies and one man run studios?@@mortal_talos1196
The only shocking thing is the quality of the game. Every single person I knew was watching it for the last 2 years just assuming it was an asset flip cash grab, but its a blast and has a lot of good ideas. Fun game is fun.
My thoughts exactly. I've been playing Craftopia from it's release day, and while i've had my fun it certainly wasn't anything unique or special, nor was it an all around great game. Ever since Palworld got announced i've been waiting for it, I could tell from the first teasers they had a solid direction they wanted to take it. I'd say i'm a fan of the studio, and they certainly stepped everything up with Palworld. Very refreshing to see the quality upgrade.@@ScootyD
Honestly I was always hoping it would turn out well, I think introducing things like butchering and humans being able to be captured allows for some really interesting story ideas. Imagine a band of criminals invading your hometown and capturing all of the people you love for slavery, like Vikings or something
wrong : 100 people posting non-sense and their bots liking and spamming the same comments to make it look a huge deal. i dont care about this game, my computer prob cannot handle it, but i will buy it just to pissoff twitter weirdos.
idk if you're going at lud.. if so you're so fucking wrong, you're either living under a rock or just want to be annoying... every freaking twitch chat i've been to of a streamer playing the game... every freaking comment under someone mentioning the game... and not only that, look at the engagement on some of the posts LUD SHOWED IN THE VIDEO... 10k likes, millions of views... lud has spoken against overblown "drama" before, this isn't one of them
There are some clowns on UA-cam as well buying into it as well. Someone had several videos about how much fun they were having, and then suddenly took them all down, and put up a post about how he was "morally obligated" to not support this dev, because they'd used AI in their previous games, and it was scummy, and Palworld is a scam. Basically parroting all the outrage he, in his own words, did "cursory research" on.
@Karlyr_ this has already been proven wrong and the guy on Twitter who started the lie about ripped models, said he did it just because he didn't like the animal cruelty in the game
@@anthonyjoy9719 it's still a copy and paste... the teeth are exactly the same and the eyes have the pupils removed and that's it. And that's without talking about the paraglider still having the hyrule logo on it (Craftopia). And the Hollow Knight ripoff... You can obviously see that their way to dev a game is to ripoff as much as they can and then complete the game with what they can't ripoff...
Both the Cheshire Cat and the Cat Bus from Totoro look closer to Grintale, and these morons use the MEOWTH to claim it's a rip off. Literally just reaching for excuses to be mad.
Farfetch'd carries a leek because he wants revenge because humans cook them with leeks and almost drove them to extinction. People complaining that you can eat Pals know nothing about Pokemon.
There's a massive list of Pokémon that are/were hunted as food, in all forms of its media. Corphish is even noted as *not* being hunted for its meaty claws due to it tasting horrible. Even in the first season of the show, Ash and Brock were considering eating a Magikarp (complete with imagining how it would look served). Misty, meanwhile? Only cared as much to say those were nothing but scale and bones.
Once again I'd like to point out that Nintendo DOESN'T own Pokemon. They are 1 of 3 companies that are split owners of The Pokemon Company. They cannot file suit on behalf of a franchise that they have 1/3 stake in.
@@S0ulEaTeR1012 He said "pokemon didn't invent a god damn furret" which was about the real life animal; ferret. Edit, because I apparently need to say this: This comment was to clarify what the original comment meant. It was a slip up by Ludwig to say "furret" instead, if that was because of being bilingual or because of the pokemon messing him up DOES NOT MATTER. Is this all that important in the first place? No. But this ONE comment got way more controversial than it should be. It's easy to slip up, everyone does it. All I did was clarifying where the slip up happened.
As a massive Pokémon fan for 7+ years I’m glad that something else is rivaling Pokémon, it’s good to see something fresh, different and new that people enjoy
Gamefreak has never made a good game though. There are good Pokemon games, good Pokemon movies, Good t.v. episodes, good manga. But Gamefreak is not part of the "good" part of that ecosystem.
Lmao, people will buy the games in record numbers no matter what. Have you seen how well the last two main games performed and played, vs how well they sold?
Pokemon fanboys can complain all they want but the fact is that Palworld is popular only because Gamefreak refuses to do any actual evolution and gamers want more than the barebones pokemon formula that's been the same for almost a decade now
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa You miss the point. Good job. This is a new and much different experience and while not polished visually it has great systems and gameplay. Hence the great performance financially. Also being a survival game isn't innovative, but it's different from the stagnation Gamefreak and others have tried. It's good they'll have some competition. I haven't played a Pokemon game in years for good reason. This is a blast.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaaThere are just additions to over which is literally just the bare minimum. When people say they want changes they main changes to the formula that’s been milked for newly 30 years now. A good example to me would be the Yakuza games changing their combat system from free flow combat to a semi-turn based combat system.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa okay, but the most interesting of those mechanics was mega evolution, and everything following that has essentially been a shitty recreation of something that was universally thought to be decent. besides from my experience at least palworld doesn't run like a slideshow and actually has polish.
It should also be noted that the game has been in development for about 3 years and they were very open about what they were making. If Nintendo thought they had a case they would have sued long before the game released and the fact that people are only now complaining about copyright infringement (instead of pre release when most of these pals were already shown) tells me they're more mad that the game is actually good rather than the game "copying" Pokémon. Had this game just been some shitty meme game it likely wouldn't receive as much hate because it wouldn't be threatening Pokémon's status.
Although I agree with you, the game doesn't really threaten Pokémon status at all. Yeah it is really fun, I've sunked 30 hours into it already and yeah it is pretty popular right now, selling like crazy. But comparing it to the giant Pokémon franchise and Nintendo is seems like a stretch to me. I doubt it will lead to any improvements to gameplay, because the games will still sell. It's sad that the only innovative Pokémon game we got was PLA with all of it's flaws
@@caiman6555 They've sold 6 million copies in 4 days, the newest Pokémon game sold 24 million and it's been out for over a year. Will it overtake Pokémon? Probably not, but it's absolutely a competitor at this point.
It’s different because you can raid people and capture humans, then force those humans to do forced labor along with your Pals. I don’t think you force your dinos to work in Ark, nor can you use one as a flamethrower nor as ammunition for a rocket launcher. It’s not an ARK clone, it’s a game with a different take on many different genres, some I’d say were improved.
The lawsuit itself doesn't matter to Nintendo. They just want to completely financially ruin all competition with legal fees before they get a chance to compete.
Animals like Pokémon, Environment and sounds like Breath of the Wild, Combat like Dark Souls. As someone in the creative industry, I can say with confidence that all “originality” is just a mashup of inspiration from existing things. The fact is that, while they may look and sound very similar, they are still fleshed out in their own way. If you take any time to play the game it becomes obvious that there is too much effort and polish to label it as some scam game with stolen assets. The numbers speak for themselves.
Also the amount of times we've seen ambitious games that take a ton of inspiration and features from a bunch of other titles and generas, biting off way more than they could chew and flopping... Palworld combined Breath of Wild & Pokemon visuals and gameplay, with Arc survival mechanics & factorio-esc harvesting/bases, eldenring like open worlds and combat... but with guns... and they've absolutely pulled it off. That is a god damn feat right there.
Plus (though I haven’t played it myself YET) it’s fun…and for the most part that SHOULD be the number one goal of a game, idc if it’s similar to other things or has taken inspiration from something or even copied it. If it’s fun it’s fun
There is an entire debate in Philosophy that all creative works are derivative once you start to look deep enough. Because actively or not everything you see influences your decisions, so even if you don't mean to it's basically impossible not to take at the very least some minor inspiration from the things you've seen.
As a 3d guy, the most we could use AI for is concepting, which is the 3d equivalent of writing your name down at the start of an essay. You still have to do all the hard work yourself since 3d AI tools aren't good enough for production purposes yet. And as an amateur coder, AI code is neat for jogging your memory when you forget how to do a particular thing, or for quickly writing repetitive code, or debugging/reviewing your already written code to check for inefficiencies/errors, but it can't write an entire game's worth of code.
Yeah. People give AI too much credit. It is an efficient all purpose tool... but nothing more than that. one tool of many, it cannot do any job alone. Jack of all trades master of none, and all that.
you can definitely make 3d models with ai, and if they aren't good enough they can certainly generate a very well drawn 2d image. not that i care, i'm loving the game so far so i don't really care if the models are generally somewhat worse than a modern pokemon game, it's straight up more fun. i'm currently building a pokeball factory.
Ai is so good for code dude. You no longer have to do a lot of the busywork. I have it build classes and functions and then i tweak it. It’s a lot more than just writing your name at the start of an essay, it’s more like the entire first draft.
god this kind of "drama" makes me want to completely unplug from the gaming community online. camp a hates thing, so camp b decides they actually love it and it's just smaller culture wars
lol true. There’s one group who will love anything that others hate, and there’s one group who will find anything to hate on for any reason. Then the reasonable people are all drowned out.
There is hardly any actual "drama" anywhere anymore. Most of it is just nothing burgers made by nobodies that want attention and clout. For some reason people keep giving them the time of day to make them undeservedly relevant
It's the other way around. I'm not super into the game but nobody is playing palworld because of "counterculture" nonsense, people loved the game and then the hate followed. I've seen so many people playing it since launch and giving super high reviews of it-- and like any popular game, some people have to follow that up with dislike for views or w.e other senses they want to feed.
@@sere971 really wish it was obvious where the hate crawled out of, because so far literally every supposed reason the haters have to hate this game, ie that it's "stealing assets, using AI, etc" are false claims, the people who say they hate it because it promotes animal cruelty have literally never touched a game in their lives, including palworld, and the ones that say they hate it because it's not fun are insane and therefore all their opinions are invalid
As a Pokemon fan, I also don't care. As an artist, I care a LOT. Like a LOT a LOT because of the precedent it sets regarding original ideas and how companies are very critical at one point then not caring another. Being dismissive of it is just ridiculous, because if this were based on any smaller game then it'd be a bigger issue.
Fuck Nintendo and fuck Gamefreak, but also fuck plagiarism. I'm perfectly fine with there being competitors to Pokemon, just like there need to be competitors for Smash-- but good competitors embrace the spirit of the original game(s) without just ripping designs. You *CAN* do both.
I really hope they get sued and forced to change the copied designs, because the game has really strong original designs and I really wish it had more. The harsh truth is the team has no artistic integrity, because they chose to create "grass cinderace" and "electric totoro" with edited existing models when they are clearly capable of designing creatures themselves! I played this game on Xbox game pass and I am REALLY enjoying it, in case some wanna use the hater argument. For years, CEOs have asked artist teams to rip-off other games, and it's always been up to the artists to put their foot down and make their own twist of things others have done. This is a different case entirely, and the fact that you can immediately tell "botw" or "hollow knight" when you look at ONE SCREENSHOT tells you everything you need to know.
There are like 1,000 pokemon at this point. Creating creatures in a similar art style is almost certainly going to draw some level of comparison to one of the many pokemon designs. Basically, you can't draw an animal in a cartoon/anime style without it having some level of pokemon parallels.
Exactly, and either way, they most certainly used Pokemon as reference, but that makes it inspired. It's crazy how a lot of people complaining on Twitter could be shut down with the word inspired yet when you say that they dig up everything in the companies past.
The comparisons are not just "oh yea that's a similar design". Some models look cut and pasted from Pokémon models. There are monster tamer games like Tem tem or coromon, that have unique designs that don't draw the same criticisms.
I find some of the comparisons so funny. I saw one that literally just said "They are both clearly based of sheep/rams". Bro got sued by Nintendo 1 to many times and thought they owned every god damn animal.
See the thing is they’ve straight up used ripped models. There are three different Eevees in this game, there is a Serperior with Primarina’s hair on it, and they just straight up put Luxray and Lycanroc and Cinderace in recolored. I don’t think that it should be okay to steal assets.
@@HmmBearGrr I agree 100% They definitely did probably take some of the base assets and changed it slightly so its not 1 to 1. But I find it funny how some people instead of focusing on that are just like "well there are fictional creatures in this game, based off REAL animals?!! Clearly a rip off"
@@Puggylord316that's what annoys me so much lol... people who compare stuff that isn't even similar made it harder to actually compare the suspiciously 1 to 1 models
@@HmmBearGrr my suspicion is they asked ai to basically "copy the homework but change it a bit so the teacher doesn't know" xD. all the creatures i saw were straight up mixes of different pokemon, it really felt ai made. i do agree with people who say screw nintendo and that they deserve this for making shity pokemon games and refusing to evolve but the creatures are straight up stolen from pokemon, i'm honestly surprised that they got away with it legally.
its not consumerism, its tribalism. They've made the decision to be on the "this is not okay" side, and will double even triple down to show their "tribe" that they are big boy that is super serious. Its brain worms, its a worldwide thing also, japanese young adult markets send more death threats than any other country if google is correct.
The byo guy on Twitter admitted to editing the models to make them 1:1 with the Pokémon models all because they were mad about the animal abuse in game.
The annoyting thing is that people aren't talking about the things this game has done better than some modern triple A titles of recent. They aren't bringing up, how there are 0 Microtransactions or Battle passes. They aren't talking about how there are virtually no bugs, or at the very least no game breaking ones. They aren't talking about how there are litteral triple digit hours of content *out of the box* and it's not from just grinding unlocks, but actual fun game play. They aren't talking about the freedom of choice the player has in both the monster catching and player base building aspects. But no lets, complain that it looks incredible close to pokemon, people have been asking for a game like this from Gamefreak for *decades*, it finally happens and people wanna bitch and moan. And speaking of pokemon, I aint heard no Monster Rancher or Digimon fans get mad yet XD
On the "no game breaking bugs" thing, I remember reading a lot of reviews about having game breaking bugs, mostly involving save file corruption/deletion. I don't disagree with anything else, though, other than the "triple digit hours of content" point. That's a stretch, from what I've heard.
pokemon fanboys/girls always attack any new released/announced creature game, some less than others but even megami tensei had to take salt from it once or twice. Digimon fanbase isnt as toxic (from my experience) even called out when the game wasnt what as expected(digimon survive) a lot of fans liked that game, but wasnt what it was announced and digimon fans went and called them out on it, Sv wasnt only not was announced but was also unplayable on launch and yet you couldnt complain without trigging the fandom, tbh the deeper you go into the pokemon fandom more simillar to a cult it looks
as a Digimon Fan thats because (at least personally) I can understand, it's possible that there is more than one creature game that is good and further understand that competition drives innovation
cant use party tab because it puts an error message and crashes not to mention lag spikes and outright not working, while i like the game i completely disagree.
I've seen gameplay, every single time I look at one of the pals, I think "oh that looks like this pokemon, this one looks very much a 1:1 of this pokemon". given how weird some of them look, I can't help but think they were made putting Pokemons into an ia blender and boom, you got a slight different thing. the gameplay, I can defend, it's really good.
There's nothing in this game that's 1:1. Very close and very similar designs here and there, yes. But nothing that's exactly the same. They're different enough and that's all that matters. If Pokemon/ gamefreak are threatened by this then they should have made an actual pokemon game that people have been asking for, for years. If they won't deliver then some other company will. And I'm not gonna defend the company that has notoriously shut doen almost every fan game that tried to make pokemon better, and learned nothing from any of them.
Don't forget how Digimon is still seen as nothing more than a "Pokémon knock off" to this day when in reality it has its own distinct identity and is actually just Tamagochi for boys.
@@marshtomp8 Hell as I a kid I always described digimon as pokemon kind of but with guns and jorts, years before this came out specifically because of gargomon, it's sad that digimon got relegated to a pokemon knockoff when it was never trying to compete with the franchise.
The thing about palworld is yes there are a lot of similarities that you can draw that connects it to pokemon. However, I would strongly argue that the game is a survival/base building game first and foremost. It's not just collecting pals and having them battle and leveling them up like you do in pokemon. There's a huge survival aspect to the game that vastly sets it apart from pokemon. I think this is probably why they haven't gotten any flack from Nintendo as of yet.
I just wish the designs weren't so lazy. If you've played pokemon then you can see Gengar's smile to a T on one Pal and Sobble's dorsal fin on another. One looks exactly like Decidueye, just without his cloak. I've heard the BOTW temperature gauge is just tacked on top of the game too. I feel bad for the TemTem devs now cause that game had designs that were almost entirely unique by comparison. I also wish monster collectors/pokemon fan games would stop with trying to be edgy. You can have a mature game that doesn't pull its punches without having slavery mechanics and guns slapped on top of a game.
they don't but some of these models match 1:1, the odds that somehow they matched those by accident are non existent. doesn't pass the sniff test and the developers previous history don't do them any good
@@rowgesage936just the last game Gf copied Godzilla and Kamen rider for 2 of their new mons, even if Palworld copied pokemon, there's no reason to take anything said about that topic serious, pokefanatics are well know to attack and try to compare any other game with creatures to pokemon as inferior, its just more salt, you can be sure once next digimon stories comes out, the same people will talk shit about it, just like they did with cyber sleuth, coromon, temtem and so many others. tldr: there's 0 reason to take any claim made by a pokemon player serious
I like the game but you can't deny the similarities😂 I haven't touched a pokemon game since diamond and pearl but I've only heard bad things about the newer games. I have played some Pixelmon recently and its honestly not bad😂
@@Semnome-gv5yg I believe the problem resides soley on "if they stole assets". If they didn't, yeah, there is no reason to listen to any """plagiarism concern""" on Twitter (like, fr, design-wise they're different enough to be considered eiher parody or inspiration). If they did, however, the problem does arise as those assets are under a license and you are prohibited from expoting them from the game they come from.
PalWorld really shows the power of 'economies of scale'. That you don't have to price games at $70; you can still make a truckload of money by getting a game into as many consoles/pc as possible with a consumer friendly price
I wonder if there is also a factor of it feeling like the game might not stay out for long, so best play it now before it gets shut down. But I do think they’ve struck a goldmine of a concept that people already love. I just hope it doesn’t get into trouble over the models themselves (I think the only thing that realistically could be sued for here)
its not only that you can also have to add quality to the formula , 70$ games are normally published unfinished and in a crappy state palworld even with their little bugs and fails is more stable , finished and fun than most of the triple a games released in the last 5 years or more
Just as some additional context that I think is important, the person who posted the model overlaps featured at 3:23 has admitted to adjusting the models so they overlap better, and all his statements should be read before you take this as facts.
also, the one dude who said it is almost impossible to have similar proportions has never 3d modeled from an image before because yeah if multiple people plug in the same image they will get similar proportions
If the Pokemon company can't figure out how to innovate and bring their game to a wider audience, then we get stuff like this. If I don't own a switch, or anything Nintendo, I would be locked out of playing a game I would otherwise love to play (unless I play on my phone), so for a game like this to be brought to market, it's a no brainer that it got so popular so quickly.
I've always thought it was beyond dumb that Nintendo limits their IPs to their platform considering how niche their platforms and IPs always are. Their whole ecosystem is designed around gaming on the go, which most people don't even do, and they have a pretty limited selection of titles for their platform, so it's mostly die hard fans of Pokemon, Mario, or Zelda that buy their consoles. They could have such a huge market share if they released proper modern Pokemon games across all platforms.
There have been indie Pokémon clones like Temtem and Cassette Beasts which copy the Pokémon formula even more closely though, and they didn’t do nearly as well as Palworld has done. I think it’s more the innovation Palworld brings to the table that’s attracting people.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres The Switch is the third best selling console of all time, behind only the PS2 and Nintendo DS, so it’s definitely more than just diehard fans of Nintendo franchises that’s buying the console.
Bad take. This didn’t gain popularity because Pokemon isn’t doing well, it’s popular because Pokemon IS still doing well and people want to see how something in the same space will compare, and because it does what it does uniquely well too. Pokemon is the most financially successful entertainment franchise on the planet. It is not a coincidence that there is plenty of interest and money to go toward a competent “competitor.”
@@RealEllenDeGeneres the switch is literally one of the highest selling consoles EVER lmao. plus, i highly doubt 720p 30fps games will be appealing to pc gamers, so i think its good nintendo games just stay in their own bubble with their own everything.
I haven't finished the video yet but something else I think people are forgetting is that this isn't early-day Pokémon. There isn't only 151 Pokémon anymore. There's over 1000 as of this year. Of course there's gonna be some similarities!!
“It’s a lot of people’s personalities” Well put man. Think that gets at the core of why people are feeling so touchy about this. Sort of reminds me of Genshin/BOTW when Genshin first hit the scene. I empathize with why some might feel upset. For me, as long as the game still feels like it has its own identity and is actually well made then I don’t really care. Genshin is fun and I like it. Haven’t played Palworld yet but imagine I’ll feel similarly Edit: just finished watching the video and Lud mentions Genshin/BOTW. Great minds lol
My biggest hope with Palworld is that it's success will make gamefreak rethink their "get the game out asap no time to reinvent gotta get money" and actually make a "good" game (this is coming from someone who has mostly enjoyed the recent games, despite their quality heavily dropping). More competition in the pocket monster space should just lead to more incentive for gamefreak to improve as a studio?
@@justinw8916 just because palworld isn’t a polished game doesn’t mean it won’t make it harder for game freak (and therefore better for us). that’s how competition works, if game freak doesn’t evolve the game and palworld continues to grow and see success, the currently untouchable entity of pokemon might just bleed
@@mr.floofles3100 I would LOVE for the guys at GF to see a development cycle that would make for more refined and polished games, I do. I get that palworld is fun, but what boggles my mind is where this support was for quality monster collecting titles like Yokai Watch, SMT, and Digimon? They been made unique, fun, and better games than Pokémon do!
@@mr.floofles3100Pokemon games so badly need polishing and refining, they are a mess. I just dont see the vision in elevating a game whose purpose is latching onto "Pokemon but with guns" or "Pokemon-killer #232" as their identity when the monster collecting genre already has an array of genuinely better games with artistic soul and effort. Not tryna be a doomer, but at the end of the day there are now 2 greedy and lazy companies making best-sellers.
Seeing my friends from Ark, Rust, Grounded, Smalland, Monster hunter, and Pokemon all logging in Palworld this weekend was a delight. Different sets of players from different games somehow unified to play 1 game was glorious. no other game made us do this XD
News flash: In every single medium (Games, Movies, Books, Songs, ect) take inspiration from what was previously popular... It is incredibly hard to come up with something completely unique and on top of that make it attractive to a mass audience. Palworld is popular because it takes a previous genre of a "Team of monsters building RPG" and advances it more that Game Freak has done with Pokemon in 20+ years. People are tired of the same old Pokemon game year after year. You should not be mad at the Palworld team for actually making some competition for Pokemon... Be mad with Game Freak and Nintendo for letting such a popular franchise and game genre stagnant to this extent... Competition is the catalyst for improvement. Take a look at Madden for example. Ever since they got the exclusive rights to NFL simulation football, that whole genre had stagnated to the point of becoming a punchline. In my opinion, competition is the most important thing for advancement.
I feel that and I'm also glad to see that there are Pokémon fans who aren't just blindly hating. I mean I'd probably prefer the same game coming from Pokémon since it would probably have less bugs and everything. But they won't and that's the whole point...
@@ProAssassinII You might not prefer it, because if Pokemon made this shift then the people who like Pokemon gameplay are screwed over. It would lead to constant in fighting (Look at Paper Mario) where one side can only be happy if the other suffers. These things have pretty big consequences and why Mario Kart shows the value of spin offs being consistent, unlike the abandoned Pokemon spin offs.
I wouldn't say people are tired of the same game for 20 years, it's more they are tired of paying Triple A prices for the same game for 20 years. I like it when games stay true to the formula, but when they ask high prices for what is essentially the same thing only with new monsters, when they think you ought to dump $70 for a current gen title that's basically a reskin of a 10 year old game (that they are still asking $50 for) is where I draw the line. If the latest Pokemon games, especially ones that appear to use the same engine as games released 5-10 years ago, were only $20-30, then that would be far more reasonable. But who wants to pay $70 twice a year for a franchise that doesn't do anything ground-breakingly new until that latest open world thing? I bet the next pokemon game that comes out is gonna be just like the last one, and it's gonna be $70 if not more. Also, the fact that Pokemon is locked to Nintendo's consoles and that they refuse to join the PC crowd is a huge downside too. That's why games like TemTem exist, people want this sort of content on PC, and would happily pay $40 for TemTem rather than being forced to pay $70 for a Switch game.
Having put quite a lot of hours into palworld so far and loving it, I can say it really feels like a game satirizing pokemon. The idea alone of the use of guns, butchering the pals and even humans screams parody and satire. It very obviously doesn't take itself seriously so I really think the whole drama about it ripping off pokemon is absurd. Also, it's insanely fun and even if it uses AI, it is done with obvious human touches that make it forgivable in my eyes. Like the AI spongebob songs that keep coming out, making bangers with AI voice changers but having obvious human input and elements that tie it together. But even with that said, if there's no proof of it utilizing AI in the first place then the speculation really doesn't hold up.
The fact that butchering pals is censored as a joke adds to their playfulness. Also the color scheme argument loses weight, when you see there’s regional differences to most of them from what I’ve seen. There’s like at least two version of each Pokémon that changes their colors completely.
@@markvieyra9950some of those arguments are very strong design wise, but like Kingpaca and Hisuian Growlithe? People are going to throw their back out reaching so hard.
As much as I'm enjoying the game so far, I really wish they would've kept the game more fantasy. Should've limited the weapons to bows/swords/magical staffs, etc... and just have increasingly more powerful weapons via magic like Minecraft Dungeons. The gun aspect almost made me not even download the game because it looked corny, but I saw too many people hyping it up not to try.
They technically do on the market. Off the market though, you have the good stuff like unbound, uranium, gaia, insurgence, infinite fusion, pheonix rising, etc. Etc. Romhacks and free fangames are king
@@cakeeyplayz Do you mean locked into the Nintendo ecosystem? Because even then that is barely true. SMT has long been on Nintendo consoles and is the progenitor of the monster catcher genre, Persona 5 being the most prominant and praised child following from that. Cassette Beasts was the top "Pokemon-like" indie darling before Palworld. Monster Hunter Stories 2 was quite unique for the genre in its focus on the monster collection. And Pokemon Snap is a high-quality experience that you will only find competition for with maybe 2 Steam indie games. When we go historic (heh) we get into Digimon Cyber Sleuth, other SMT Spinoffs (like best series Survivor), Fossil Fighters, etc, etc.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 thank you for listing some games that arent pokémon but still great regardless mate! Keep up the good work. Also do i need to play the first smt game tp understand the newest one?
@@cakeeyplayz i would definitely not play the first SMT game unless you end up really liking the franchise, it's very, very old and very, very tedious i recommend SMT 3 and onward, all of them are pretty self-contained stories persona is a spin-off series of SMT in case you weren't aware and i think those games are infinitely more approachable than the mainline SMT games, so if you're gonna start somewhere i would recommend persona 4 golden or waiting for persona 3 reload coming out in early february, the persona games are also self-contained so you don't need to play them in any specific order
@@noahsylvester1754 i played persona 5 but got softlocked at the okumura foods boss so i suppose i shout just start with SMT 3 huh? Also that is an abbreviation of shin megami tensei right?
my thread was the comparison thread you looked at, thanks for including it in the vid! and yes many are big stretches LOL but it was fun to make, just thought of any possible similarities and compiled them lol. great vid mr mogul
We need more popular monster-catching-type games anyway, so pokemon can get legitimate competition. I'm all for this game and hope more appear that become successful. (I know there's a bunch of indie ones out there but this one has really made some ripples in the public eye, which is what's important!)
I think the problem with a lot of those other monster-catching-type games is that they're more similar to Pokémon than Palworld. TemTem for example is a really well made game, but it kind of feels like a Pokémon game that isn't actual Pokémon and I've already played these kind of games for the last 18 years starting with Pokémon blue...
almost every release since b/w, i've thought, will they finally live up to get 5's greatness again? but then they don't, over and over, and at this point i just kind of accept the next game will be mid and have a hard time caring.
I remember getting shit on for saying Black/White 1/2 were the greatest Pokemon games ever made in a comment section and hearing Ludwig say that just fills my heart. No other Pokemon game ever compares to how much fun I had playing B/W 1/2.
This is literally the best thing that could have happened to Pokémon. Now they have a competitor they can buck their shit up and maybe actually release even a half-assed game instead of whatever the fuck releases have been since ORAS.
I thought that everyone was joking about it being a Pokémon Clone. Does it take some inspiration, sure. But why tf is anyone joystick riding for Nintendo.
I think one of the main reasons it’s not being taken down by Nintendo. Is because if they did I think the counter argument would be that Nintendo is then trying to monopolize the market of their game type. You can’t copyright mythical creatures. Plus they’ve never taken down Pixelmon.
They _did_ shut down the og Pixelmon, but I think that was because of stolen assets? Pixelmon Reforged and Cobblemon though still exist and don't have that problem, as far as I know.
The Hollow Knight clone scares me for this reason. I think it'll do really well even though it's a soulless cash-grab. The Hollow Knight community is pretty starved at this point so people will probably jump on it.
@@nebby3 hollow knight clone? You mean Metroidvania clone clone? With plenty enough differences and gameplay mechanics to make it look like a completely different game with a similar artstyle which isn't even that unique to hollowknight
@@nebby3bro when that shit came out everyone tried to tell me it wasnt a clone. i thought i was going crazy. glad someone else sees it for the blatant ripoff it is
@@nebby3The issue is that popular, revolutionary games have always been genre-creating. That’s why we have subgenres called things like “Rogue-like,” “Souls-like,” and “Metroidvania.” They’re all named after games that, in breaking the mold, created a *new* mold. Taking inspiration from popular games doesn’t make a game bad or make it a soulless cash grab. They can be heavily inspired while still being developed with care. Hollow Knight is a Metroidvania, after all. It takes strong inspiration from the gameplay of game series like Castlevania and Metroid. And, frankly, if a studio leaves their audience starving for decent content for years, I don’t think it’s all that wrong for developers who are fans of those games to say, “hey, I have an indie studio and I want to make a spiritual successor to a game I love, but with new elements added to give it a twist.” That’s what PocketPair did with Never Grave-took inspiration from a popular game, but add things like multiplayer, base building, new gameplay mechanics, etc. After all, this is exactly what Stardew Valley did with Harvest Moon, and no one reasonable lost their shit over that.
This whole argument seems to boil down to pokemon fanboys versus game freak haters, it feels like nobody actually cares whether or not the designs are stolen
Nah. I'm not a Pokemon fanboy, but also don't hate GameFreak. A lot of the comparison photos are really reaching IMO, or pointing out that a Pal and a Pokemon both look like sheep, so it kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth on that front. No 'Creature Collector' game is allowed to base their creatures on real world animals just because Pokemon has done it already? Some of the designs are sketchy, but altered enough to mostly not be an issue IMO. There are a few strange ones like the same shape/proportioned models Ludwig showed, but I'm still up in the air on that as well. It is a pretty damn generic 'animal' shape and proportions. I think the people hating on it are AI haters, and Pokemon die-hard fans. The people defending it are just seeing the absurd claims, or have enjoyed playing it, or both.
Pretty much. I don't care even if it comes out models were ripped cause it's a fun game. Had they been stolen from a smaller indie dev that would be different but this is gamefreak we're talking about, anyone white knighting them is delusional
@@notyaunzzz There is no evidence of AI art being used in this game. You say you feel bad for artists witnessing the response to this game? What about the artists that are being unfairly accused of plagiarism and using AI and receiving death threats? If Gamefreak or Nintendo want to take Palworld to court they will. In the mean time they don't need random internet users to enforce their own copyright.
@@notyaunzzz this game is clearly devoid of any passion and soul and i do agree that making ai a thing for any art form will be very bad creatively for the future but it seems that ai being responsible for these designs isn't affecting the artists who made the pokemon designs in the past and it's more of a theft issue rather than how it was made and it affects the company, if even that and not the artists. ofc i can see how it can affect the artists in the future for sure if companies use ai instead of employing humans to do the job but to me that seems like a different discussion whereas this is more of a copyright thing.
For the record, using AI to make in-game models isn't illegal. Just bc something looks "similar" doesn't mean it's stolen. Also, mods are their own beast, which require an entirely different conversation. Palworld devs had no part in them and we dont sue Glock when aftermarket parts come out.
@evanmccue736 ur missing the part where artists have their own style or something to add not just mashing up other peoples art without rhyme or reason
@@siddhantthakur3261 Prove it, Nintendo will pay you top dollar to prove it so they can sue another competitor out of business instead making a better game themselves.
As a game developer I can assure you that all of your favorite companies already use AI for pretty much everything they can as long as it makes the workflow more efficient, they do however also use actual human workers to then modify polish and “humanize” those AI creations
@@lesterantenor1026you want more crunch? you want game with inflated budget?you want more game with 10 year development? you should embrace future from now
@@omegafyzentra1779 IKR, with their high profits they can now hire more 'REAL WORKERS' to continue development. 3 games come to mind that has this situation, lethal Company, Battle Bit, and Palworld. All games took hours from me compared to other AAA games I've played.
@@Saint-hamudi theres a bunch of popular streamers playing it, i just dont watch streams. Its insane how this game is supposedly on par with the biggest launch in steam history, yet no real person i know has really heard of it or played it. But its still breaking all the steam records, very suspicious.
@@cooltwittertag most people did not hear about it till it game out which was not even a week ago. idk how it is very suspicious thats like saying its very suspicious taylor swift was selling out every where because you have never met someone that has gone to her tour the same amount of people went to her shit as people that bought this game
i'm not a pokemon fan at all, but I enjoy the gameplay of palworld, the mix of capturing monster and survival elements and settlement building with guns is pretty fun, that's what drew me to palworld, not the monster designs tbh.
I saw two pals of the same species hunt together and gang up on another pal of a different species and i thought that was so cool having never seen something like that before in pokemon
The one thing I keep hearing about Palworld is it's realistic Pokemon with guns and that's from people that have not played it. It's more fair to explain it as Rust or Ark with a capturing mechanic because at it's heart, it's an open world survival game.
When you dont rip designs straight from the game youre inspired by??? Just look up how they made their designs and what inspired theirs, then find similar inspiration yourself. Jeez, its not that hard.
@@thecoolcarhd4402 dont tell me what i am and am not ya jerk Also please look at the coballion. Its so obvious its genuinely funny. The only difference is the cloud mane they yoinked from the weather trio xD
@@cakeeyplayz Only real similarity is the colour scheme, different eyes/nose/face (incl. colouring), accent markings, hooves, necks and extra detailing all across the models. I don't play either game so I probably don't get this level of bias, but pretty much every single design comparison is of the same difference that Dragon Quest and Pokémon has. Inspiration/fair use goes a long way and if you bash designs for being reasonably similar to another IP, your ability to create anything would be seriously hindered. Granted, it's definitely pulling on the schtick of being a clone, but not in all aspects just in design and vague gameplay mechanics, in which many games pretty much everyone has played had done before with much less flak for it.
The designs aren’t as close as people think. I’m an artist that really focuses on character creation. People just see similar colors and facial expressions. I only saw one part of a design that made my eyes go wide. It was the sylveon feeler on a palmon. The problem I have is the models tbh. That is much more deliberate.
better graphics, innovation, creativity, and originality than Pokemon has had in well over a decade. If Pokemon won't actually make a good game anymore, glad to see that someone else did
if you compare the game to pokemon, then yes, it innovates. however, this isn't a pokemon game. when you take a look at the "innovations," you'll quickly realize that it's just ideas taken from other games.
@@blvdes Even though it's ideas from other games, it's definitely more polished than the other games that utilize those ideas. For example, Ark! Ark 2 is shit and not well optimized, this is good!
Pokemon purists seething that a monster collector game is venerated while they get a bug-ridden, goofy ahh looking graphics, non-existent overworld content, stagnated in SV
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Saying Palworld is promoting animal cruelty reminds me when boomer parents and PETA made the same arguments back when Pokemon first became popular, except now it's being done by game journos.
I mean to be fair I could actually see them actually having an argument. Is it silly? Of course. But you also CAN participate in human trafficking within this game.
Yeah, you're right. It's a weak argument. Some of these people use pets for their mental health. That's not what animals are here for.
@@tsb4 and you can mass kill in tone of games lol so what?
You can also capture and enslave humans and mate them with animals. If they're gonna go after it, they could at least go for the "worst" parts of the game 😂
@@tsb4 Can do the same thing in Rimworld, and worse even. Yet no one says anything about that game. Their really is no argument.
Bro thinks he's ludwig
Ludwig died
Who’s Ludwig?
yeah, he even got the same haircut 💀
The nerve of some people. Can't believe Ludwig's not confronting his impostor 😮💨
So fr (this is a thoughtful and substantial comment)
Weird. It's almost like we're all thirsty for a game that isn't a triple A, $70 ticket to the microtransaction shop.
Like bg3, spiderman 2, re4r, alan wake 2, gow r, elden ring, plenty of those games exist
@@rewpertcone8243 you listed 5 AAA games and BG3
@@rewpertcone8243not really each of the games you mentioned have a specific theme. Elden ring is a rpg that’s dark souls like, bg3 is a rpg that’s turn based, alien wake is not a mainstream game at all and isn’t a large title that everyone cares about, Spider-Man2 is on ps5 only and is quite literally a button bashing game.
Also all the games you mentioned are in large part a single player game. Sure you can coop in BG3 but majority of people don’t, and Elden ring is only coop in so areas and pvp if you choose to.
@zombiejelly4111 okay, you want co-op, monster hunter world. Your negativity is what's making gaming lame for you, not the games
@zombiejelly4111 also why is a game being non mainstream a bad thing, do you only want "wider audience" garbage games like ac valhalla and far cry 6?
the fact that the Pokémon mod for Palworld got DMCAd but not Palworld itself should already say enough about Nintendo's stance on Palworld's existance.
And probably because the modder paywalled the mod behind a Patreon sub
@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 not to mention they were just stealing the models from Pokemon S/V
Actually the pokemon company is going to launch an investigation against the "stolen assets" accusation
@@juancarlosfernandezperez6843 uh no, Nintendo just goes really REALLY hard against things that actually violate their copyrights, see Pixelmon, Pokemon Uranium, the Metroid 2 remake, the Mario NFT Game. . . you'll notice the moment any of these caught the public eye they got DMCA'd and taken down- the guy who used to be in charge of Nintendo legal straight up said they were DMCAing "several infringing projects each day at a minimum"
"so how is Palworld different?" I hear you ask, easy- the same way Digimon, Megami Tensei, Persona, and Ni no kuni can get away with being monster catching and battling games- Nintendo doesn't actually own the concept- they just own the licence to "pokemon" the brand, and "pokemon" the monster designs.
@@crazyabe4571 all of your examples are infringing onto their IP directly. So It's super cookie cutter to just emit a cease and desist.
In this case, they have to identify precisely what pals they consider to close to being copied and anotate everything individually in a document because they absolutely cannot emit a complete cease and desist order because the game itself is not something GameFreaks own.
That's the thing if something legal happens, they can't say "cease all operation until trial is done" because depending on the verdict, they would have to reimburse the estimated losses and GameFreaks would have to pay them.
Also, yes they don't own "monster based" games. But why did everyone compared it to Pokemon and not Digimon or YuGiOh or Dragon Quest... because the concept is similar, the designs are similar, the art style is similar. That's why it's problematic.
Can we all say, regardless of Palworld, all of Pocket Pair games have very dubious art direction? To me the most disgusting one is the Hollow Knight one.
its hilarious that pokemon has the mildest competitor for once and everyone pretends the world is ending
Not everyone, just Twitter users and we know that Twitter users have never even seen a single blade of grass.
@@minartson an obvious over exeggeration i agree lets say the vocal nintendo simps who buy the same thing over and over again and loving it is that better ^^?
The fact that people feel the need to defend a company like Nintendo is hilarious.
@damsen978only people I've seen mad at this game are nintendo fanboys. I think that many hardcore nintendo pokemon fans don't want to admit this is an upgrade
@damsen978 I think that adds to the appeal of the game, cute little creatures shooting guns, having to hit them yourself personally to lower their hp to catch them, making them work and the game giving you feedback in the form of their thoughts about the basically slave work you make them do. That has definitely been done on purpose.
I also agree it looks like a thrown together cash grab. And yeah there's probably pokemon fanboys also playing it if they're not hating on it, but they will probably go right back to the newest pokemon game when it gets released. They're hardcore fans for a reason.
(Also console differences, palworld being on PC and pokemon on nintendo devices makes me think it's not really a competitor that 'takes away' fans from nintendo)
hopefully it does scare nintendo a little, thinking more people will capitalize on changing the pokemon formula and they will finally start putting effort into their pokemon games
People white knighting for a company that treats them like trash is crazy to me.
Stockholm syndrome.
people think companies like EA are bad meanwhile nintendo used to take down streamers and youtubers for playing their own game 💀
Stockholm syndrom
Or battered wife syndrom
I wish they at least made their own designs, half of them are just slightly altered Pokemon or a fusion of two Pokemon
nintendo is literally the
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if nintendo wasn't a japanese company with OH SO MUCH HISTORY nobody would give a shit and would treat them like activision blizzard
I think the best thing you said during this is that if nintendo really found any sort of fault they would be so quick to take action
They really take the guy down who made the pokemon mod but not palworld itself
If this is an issue, then all souls-like are essentially an issue too. The designs of the pals or "pokemon" are dissimilar enough that it's clear there is inspiration, but clear that they are their own designs too.
The mechanics have similarities conceptually and practically, but there are against dissimilarities enough that it is clear it is different.
If copy-right is at the level where we can't have fun stuff like this that clearly is not a clone, but heavily inspired / derivative work of others, with its own twists and original design, then copy-right has to go entirely.
I, for one, welcome competition to pokémon, and hope that similar games can and will crop up in this and other genres doing similar things.
@NukeCloudstalker I truly do acknowledge, & I see what you've stated to be a greater push, in creativity & to value differences in artistic styles and inspirational direction.
I also do think and would have others consider, that Pokemon needs more competition in this sort of stylized art direction going forward, just as Digimon had at one point, given them a run for their money so to speak.
We have to be more open minded to different ideas of different games, and styles that may take inspiration from other games, & that is what I would say, is a problem with the Pokémon fanatics, is that they MOSTLY just play Pokémon or JRPGs that have been around long before Palworld as well, then jumping back on the bandwagon, to defend Pokémon at its every beckon call for anything.
In short: people need to stop praising & buying into Pokémon games, because it also created a form of delusional realities as well for many, not playing ANY other games other than Pokémon, which is a psychological issue as well, is what I would state or would like to point out.
It is like the joke video that was going around, stating this: "just buy said product, for the sake of said product, and be happy no matter what.".
Which, I completely DISAGREE with, to be completely, & fully honest with you.
People NEED to stop being fans of said franchises, & to STOP praising gaming companies like they do, because they also become engulfed by it like a bunch of cultists, & then we eventually have a much BIGGER problem on our hands, eventually leading towards things like i.e. Generational Pokémon lovers, as well with National Dex Criticizers versus Modern Pokémon Fans for differences to be examined as well.
yes because that has actual pokemon stuff@@tenkuken7168
Nintendo is probably already gathering evidence and getting ready for a lawsuit. The thing is both companies are located in Japan, and the Japanese lawsystem is a little bit different. So before they raise a case, they will probably have a 99,9% chance of winning the lawsuit before they bring it to court. I think another possible lawsuit could be damage to their trademark, as graphic violence associated with Pokemon could be argued to injure their reputation with families in particular, and that is one of their primary demographics.
Update: the guy that was working on the Pokemon mod for Palworld was claiming it was going to be a paid mod and soon after Nintendo's lawyers shut him down ☠
The part where he thought he could use it as a pay to play mod, ignored copyright laws, thought he could get ez money lol
I think he's just using that method to spite the dev.
Sitting on the pokemon ip for 25 years and doing absolutely nothing is a crime in itself.
Pokemons competitive scene would go wild if they made their own pokemon showdown
Legends Arceus is the only innovation I have seen in a long time and it wasn't itself a fully refined experience. New Pokemon games can be described - "Same formula recycled again and again to be shit."
When BW2 is over 10 years old now and is still the best pokemon game...There is a reason why Nintendo is a joke.
@@WriggleNightbug yep, havent bought a switch either and not going too. Id rather pirate the games if so - Honestly tried an emulated BW2 rom hack some time ago and it worked fine.
but you got pokemon go, one of the games of all time
Palworld is a better parody of pokemon than the Peta ones. Fun fact you can catch humans in the game.
Theres nothing in the description mentioning it to be a parody at all though. If that was the case i dont think any pokémon fanboys wouldnt enjoy this game either(i mean, look at snakewood lmao)
I mean team rocket would snatch up humans. Idea isn’t too far fetched. They’d torture our bro ash all the damn time.
do they also have breeding mechanics?
@@duskpede5146 they do you can breed to gain different passives and pals
Catching human is Chad move. No bar hold, and make you think.
The modded pikachu mining with a pickaxe will never not be funny to me
tf even is this game bruh lol
@@highdefinition450slavery the game
mah pikka
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Pokémon card dealers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Pokemon card/plushie collecter here, i dont care for the games, i just like pokemon (the monsters) designs only, so I'm most happy that gamefreak is getting rivaled, It will probably make them realise they cant sit around and make games the quality they are having.
Palworlds success might also mean Palworld plushies (If it gets big enough)
so i can finally make a Piplup and Pengullet fight each other to the death
This is an example of why support for indie is a good thing. Pokémon and Palworld are supposed to be for fun which is something *MANY* of these corporations have discarded.
"indie" game with 1000 million yen budget heavily partnered with Microsoft, sure.
@@GhostGK21reading comprehension is at an all time low
His point is somewhat valid but Pocket Pair is in fact an independent company.
Also, why say 1000 million when it's the same as saying billion.
Okay. I’m still enjoying Tears of the Kingdom
@@BrandonWestfall From cambridge dictionary: "a small company, especially a music, film, or television company, or a small shop or other business that is not owned by a larger company:"
I guess size might be relative, but it still is a sizable company with probably a few dozens of employees, so I don't think they fit the "small" part too well.
It's worth mentioning as far as the AI stuff goes, that the announcement trailer for Palword was released in June 2021, over a year before Midjourney and Stable Diffusion were released, AND it showcased a fairly large number of Pal designs that are largely unchanged in the game we have today. So if AI was used in the Pal designs, it could only have been on a few of them and it would have to have been done pretty late in the development cycle. Even then, going from a single 2D image to a 3D design in a game takes quite a bit of human work.
there is generative 3d ai, but the models it makes are basically unusable for anything that moves
i mean using ai as reference is not bad tho
@@comet.xbasically unusable at all, honestly. Maybe one day but that day is not today. It also takes immense amounts of time and power to generate. Fuck, generating 6 seconds of video requires 40 gigs of vram...
On top of that steam requires you to state if generative AI was used in the creation of the game, verifies it and states it in the game page if it was indeed used. So yeah, doesn't look like it
Not to mention that Steam has a no AI policy regarding to the publish of your games which requires full transparency on behalf of the team behind the games on what they contain
Proof that Gamefreak would sell a lot more Pokemon games if they put more work into it
Yooo I always see you in my shorts feed.
I mean, the proofs actually the opposite. Sword and shield is at number one(my absolute least favorite game in the franchise, what a bad story) while gen 5(one of the best stories and generations) sold the least.
Yknow?
Your vids are amazing!
@@cakeeyplayz So you're sitting there with a straight face saying that good games don't sell.
Ok. Lmao. Best of luck to you in real life... I have a feeling you'll need it.
Not at all. Do you know how much do the Pokemon games sell? Even the latest ones that are absolute garbage. It's the exact opposite, they sell extraordinarily well with minimal effort
Bro thinks a ferret is called a furret IRL
have you heard lud pronounce valorant
It’s one letter off give him a break lmao
I’m glad people are ripping off Pokémon. The Pokémon formula is awesome, the Pokémon games are embarrassing when you consider it’s the biggest entertainment franchise in the world. Competition breeds innovation, hopefully this makes Nintendo/Game Freak realise they don’t have a monopoly on this kind of game anymore and they actually put some more time and money into their games.
This is literally the greatest take I've ever seen
Pokemon true potential is in fangames and romhacks.
this! nintendo's singular worst characteristic is their ip abuse. imagine people defending ea over game-ruining microtransactions. i don't care if it's straight plagarism, emulation, or a mere reference to their material, all of it should be fine.
okay but pokemon has had competition since its conception and people have dogged them all for being clones (digimon for example) but now that something that literally looks like someone took two pokemon and merged them to call them pals, people are over the moon.
it doesnt make sense to me tbh. I'm loving Palworlds and i've loved other games inspired by pokemon, I just dont understand what the sudden shift is all about.
No one dogged digimon for being a knock off they dogged it for being hot garbage lmao @@SpaghettiBrainX
Btw this has NEVER been marketed as “pokemon with guns” this is literally just what everyone’s been calling it, not the devs.
Edit: yo chat type “1” in The thread if I should delete this comment
cry about it
It was marketed as pokemon with guns 2-3 years before release, saw it on Tik Tok everywhere. They specifically campaigned it across Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, etc. They knew what they were doing, but 11/10 game
The founder even mentioned 'because americans like guns' in a JPTV interview
@@weeb_french_turkish_hater Someone: Makes a perfectly ordinary comment
This mf: CrY AbOuT iT HurR Dee hURr 🤓
@@HappilyMundanelol.
Duality of people on twitter, people will white knight for Nintendo, then hate on them for making a decision that makes them more money.
no one is white knighting nintendo. people are just angry because the pals look like stolen assets and for a game like that to be successful sets a bad precedent for what games consumers will buy
tech geeks 10 years ago : "truck drivers and cashiers should learn how to code. their jobs will be automated and they need to get with the times"
tech geeks today : "AI is automating our jobs. we need to stand against it and make sure it doesnt become a standard"
How come I keep seeing people mention “white knighting” but haven’t actually seen anyone doing it? Sure, people are being critical of PalWorld, but that doesn’t automatically mean they are also defending Nintendo. The lack of nuance among this PalWorld discourse is embarrassing.
@@SpaghettiBrainX bad precendent because you want every game concept or every style of character or even every shape of character to be closed source 🤣🤣. Why not make everything open source so I could create whatever the fuck I want and be succesful without 10.000 designers.
@@IronMikeyT just making shit up lmao, the complaints have been from artists not from "tech geeks", if you weren't living under a rock you'd know how much of a topic AI art has been for the past year or two
I mean, good for these devs. Didn't re-invent the wheel, just improved it. Massive kudos.
They combined like 4 wheels though.
@@Doopyyz 4 wheels make a car, has proven to be quite successful
They didn’t really redesign anything the game play is just Ark without the Dinosaurs and they just added some ripped off Pokémon bases.
@@Amieeappleno I don’t think you realize how long it takes to make a polished game just because the concept is similar doesn’t mean it has to do with the game at all most studios don’t care and make their own float on the game.
@@Amieeapple Tell me you've never played the game without telling me you never played the game.
I feel like a lot of people need to be reminded that you can be critical of palworld AND Pokémon at the same time
Edit: just a reminder, angrily arguing with someone is absolutely pointless since neither of you will change your opinion
THIS, I hate that when I say I hate palworld people immediately think I love pokemon, I don’t like both.Pokemon cause they’ve been the same since the 90’s. And palworld cause the ceo is super into OpenAi and NFT’s and I don’t want to support that.
This I hate pokemon and palworld. The devs whole business model is just ripping off other peoples hard work and ideas including Hollowknight aka their game Never Grave and Overdungeon aka Slay the spire. I don't want to support that I want to support games that actually try to be different from each other.
Absolutely I do not understand why people act like those two things are mutually exclusive
@@brainlesscactus3184 Because they can't take critics of their new favourite game which ironically turns them into the fanboys they make fun of but just for Palworld instead of Pokémon.
if your taste of games is dependent on what the ceo of a company follows then what game can you even play in the modern market that arent like small indies and one man run studios?@@mortal_talos1196
The only shocking thing is the quality of the game. Every single person I knew was watching it for the last 2 years just assuming it was an asset flip cash grab, but its a blast and has a lot of good ideas. Fun game is fun.
Yeah I really dont care if its all AI made or whatnot, if it is fun I will play it.
its especially surprising considering what the company has done to craftopia (a previous early access game)
My thoughts exactly. I've been playing Craftopia from it's release day, and while i've had my fun it certainly wasn't anything unique or special, nor was it an all around great game. Ever since Palworld got announced i've been waiting for it, I could tell from the first teasers they had a solid direction they wanted to take it. I'd say i'm a fan of the studio, and they certainly stepped everything up with Palworld. Very refreshing to see the quality upgrade.@@ScootyD
@@ScootyDtheyre different teams
Honestly I was always hoping it would turn out well, I think introducing things like butchering and humans being able to be captured allows for some really interesting story ideas. Imagine a band of criminals invading your hometown and capturing all of the people you love for slavery, like Vikings or something
"Huge drama" = 100 people on twitter posting non-sense
so petty
to be fair, each of those people probably posted 100 tweets each, so that's 10k tweets
wrong : 100 people posting non-sense and their bots liking and spamming the same comments to make it look a huge deal.
i dont care about this game, my computer prob cannot handle it, but i will buy it just to pissoff twitter weirdos.
idk if you're going at lud.. if so you're so fucking wrong, you're either living under a rock or just want to be annoying... every freaking twitch chat i've been to of a streamer playing the game... every freaking comment under someone mentioning the game...
and not only that, look at the engagement on some of the posts LUD SHOWED IN THE VIDEO... 10k likes, millions of views...
lud has spoken against overblown "drama" before, this isn't one of them
@@____trazluz____9804Imagine you actually start liking it lmao
There are some clowns on UA-cam as well buying into it as well. Someone had several videos about how much fun they were having, and then suddenly took them all down, and put up a post about how he was "morally obligated" to not support this dev, because they'd used AI in their previous games, and it was scummy, and Palworld is a scam. Basically parroting all the outrage he, in his own words, did "cursory research" on.
The Galarian meowth one made me think more of Cheshire Cat than Pokémon
sammeee lol
yeah, the problem isn't really in the form of the pokemon but more the fact that its face is a copy paste from Galarian Meowth
@Karlyr_ this has already been proven wrong and the guy on Twitter who started the lie about ripped models, said he did it just because he didn't like the animal cruelty in the game
@@anthonyjoy9719 it's still a copy and paste... the teeth are exactly the same and the eyes have the pupils removed and that's it.
And that's without talking about the paraglider still having the hyrule logo on it (Craftopia). And the Hollow Knight ripoff... You can obviously see that their way to dev a game is to ripoff as much as they can and then complete the game with what they can't ripoff...
Both the Cheshire Cat and the Cat Bus from Totoro look closer to Grintale, and these morons use the MEOWTH to claim it's a rip off. Literally just reaching for excuses to be mad.
Farfetch'd carries a leek because he wants revenge because humans cook them with leeks and almost drove them to extinction.
People complaining that you can eat Pals know nothing about Pokemon.
Yeah what do they think the Tauros are hanging out at a ranch for? They're not being milked..
Bros were legit eating slowpoke tails they def eat Pokemon
There's a massive list of Pokémon that are/were hunted as food, in all forms of its media. Corphish is even noted as *not* being hunted for its meaty claws due to it tasting horrible.
Even in the first season of the show, Ash and Brock were considering eating a Magikarp (complete with imagining how it would look served). Misty, meanwhile? Only cared as much to say those were nothing but scale and bones.
The people who complain about being able to eat a fictional creature then eat real creatures in real life are the ones that irk me the most.
Slowpoke tail and Pokemon Curry. Need I say more?
Once again I'd like to point out that Nintendo DOESN'T own Pokemon. They are 1 of 3 companies that are split owners of The Pokemon Company. They cannot file suit on behalf of a franchise that they have 1/3 stake in.
Nintendo, Game Freak, and TPC itself?
Creatures inc. Marketing and some stuff more. @@chantolove
@@chantolove Creatures Inc. is the third one, they handle the Trading Card Game, various Merch, and the 3d Models for the Pokemon
@@chantolove the third company is called creatures.
No one cares
Lud calling ferrets furrets is one of the funniest things I've heard
He's talking about the pokemon
furrets not real animals it is ferret@@S0ulEaTeR1012
Seeing nobody knows that the name of the ferret pokemon is Furret is one of the funniest things I've heard.
@@S0ulEaTeR1012 He said "pokemon didn't invent a god damn furret" which was about the real life animal; ferret.
Edit, because I apparently need to say this: This comment was to clarify what the original comment meant. It was a slip up by Ludwig to say "furret" instead, if that was because of being bilingual or because of the pokemon messing him up DOES NOT MATTER.
Is this all that important in the first place? No. But this ONE comment got way more controversial than it should be.
It's easy to slip up, everyone does it. All I did was clarifying where the slip up happened.
@@TheVillainousSoul "furet" is the french word aswell for the animal
As a massive Pokémon fan for 7+ years I’m glad that something else is rivaling Pokémon, it’s good to see something fresh, different and new that people enjoy
Its not tho. Its a low quality ark ripoff with no proper gameplay and an insane amount of bugs
@@cooltwittertagthe 1 million active players would argue otherwise
@@HappySmile153 so by your logic the best game ever made is pubg?
@@HappySmile153 and also by that same logic because it gets played a lot, pubg is also a pokemon competitor?
@@HappySmile153 popularity doesnt equal quality. Just because people have fun playing it doesnt mean it can rival pokemon especially at this state
I'm just praying that Palworlds massive success inspires gamefreak to actually make a real video game.
Gamefreak has never made a good game though. There are good Pokemon games, good Pokemon movies, Good t.v. episodes, good manga. But Gamefreak is not part of the "good" part of that ecosystem.
I've played a variety of gamefreak games, not just pokemon...and I wanted so badly for any of them to be good. They aren't.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047Pokemon black and white 1 & 2
Lmao, people will buy the games in record numbers no matter what. Have you seen how well the last two main games performed and played, vs how well they sold?
Hahahaha. Nobody will remember Palworld this time next year. It's a fad. Streamers will suck the life out of it. They already are.
Pokemon fanboys can complain all they want but the fact is that Palworld is popular only because Gamefreak refuses to do any actual evolution and gamers want more than the barebones pokemon formula that's been the same for almost a decade now
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaamaking it so u can give Pokémon guns and beat the shit out of your mons is tho
you don't deserve your username. Blasphemy. I don't claim you@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa You miss the point. Good job. This is a new and much different experience and while not polished visually it has great systems and gameplay. Hence the great performance financially. Also being a survival game isn't innovative, but it's different from the stagnation Gamefreak and others have tried. It's good they'll have some competition. I haven't played a Pokemon game in years for good reason. This is a blast.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaaThere are just additions to over which is literally just the bare minimum. When people say they want changes they main changes to the formula that’s been milked for newly 30 years now. A good example to me would be the Yakuza games changing their combat system from free flow combat to a semi-turn based combat system.
@@keiraaaaaaaaaaaaaa okay, but the most interesting of those mechanics was mega evolution, and everything following that has essentially been a shitty recreation of something that was universally thought to be decent. besides from my experience at least palworld doesn't run like a slideshow and actually has polish.
It should also be noted that the game has been in development for about 3 years and they were very open about what they were making. If Nintendo thought they had a case they would have sued long before the game released and the fact that people are only now complaining about copyright infringement (instead of pre release when most of these pals were already shown) tells me they're more mad that the game is actually good rather than the game "copying" Pokémon. Had this game just been some shitty meme game it likely wouldn't receive as much hate because it wouldn't be threatening Pokémon's status.
Although I agree with you, the game doesn't really threaten Pokémon status at all. Yeah it is really fun, I've sunked 30 hours into it already and yeah it is pretty popular right now, selling like crazy. But comparing it to the giant Pokémon franchise and Nintendo is seems like a stretch to me. I doubt it will lead to any improvements to gameplay, because the games will still sell. It's sad that the only innovative Pokémon game we got was PLA with all of it's flaws
They spend 6.7 million dollar on budget
@@y_samu and? that's kids play compared to some movie budgets or games. Didn't Spiderman 2 have like 300 millions budget? that's like 500% increase.
Uhh, you're factually incorrect about them 'only complaining now', there was a lot of that on the first trailer
@@caiman6555 They've sold 6 million copies in 4 days, the newest Pokémon game sold 24 million and it's been out for over a year. Will it overtake Pokémon? Probably not, but it's absolutely a competitor at this point.
The thing is that it isn't remotely a pokemon clone, it's an ARK clone, with pokeballs instead of taming.
It’s different because you can raid people and capture humans, then force those humans to do forced labor along with your Pals. I don’t think you force your dinos to work in Ark, nor can you use one as a flamethrower nor as ammunition for a rocket launcher. It’s not an ARK clone, it’s a game with a different take on many different genres, some I’d say were improved.
It's a safe bet that IF Nintendo has even a flimsy case they'll sue.
What they gonna do tho? Same bs as rockstar with another company for having a R in the logo despite not being the same logo? lmao
The lawsuit itself doesn't matter to Nintendo. They just want to completely financially ruin all competition with legal fees before they get a chance to compete.
no worries, if they are succesful, by 2077 we might get a tiny version of pokemon that resembles this
Nintendo copyright struck the pokemon modpack for palworld and whoever released it a bit after it was released lol
@@jadtokoh so they’re watching closely alright. Just not taking down the game itself I guess
"Pokémon didn't invent a furret." 😂
Animals like Pokémon, Environment and sounds like Breath of the Wild, Combat like Dark Souls. As someone in the creative industry, I can say with confidence that all “originality” is just a mashup of inspiration from existing things. The fact is that, while they may look and sound very similar, they are still fleshed out in their own way. If you take any time to play the game it becomes obvious that there is too much effort and polish to label it as some scam game with stolen assets. The numbers speak for themselves.
Also the amount of times we've seen ambitious games that take a ton of inspiration and features from a bunch of other titles and generas, biting off way more than they could chew and flopping...
Palworld combined Breath of Wild & Pokemon visuals and gameplay, with Arc survival mechanics & factorio-esc harvesting/bases, eldenring like open worlds and combat... but with guns... and they've absolutely pulled it off. That is a god damn feat right there.
Combat its like dark souls lmao 😂
Its close to skyrim but you modded it with a dedicated roll button 😂
Plus (though I haven’t played it myself YET) it’s fun…and for the most part that SHOULD be the number one goal of a game, idc if it’s similar to other things or has taken inspiration from something or even copied it. If it’s fun it’s fun
Yeah this game runs better then every other AAA game that came out in 2023
There is an entire debate in Philosophy that all creative works are derivative once you start to look deep enough. Because actively or not everything you see influences your decisions, so even if you don't mean to it's basically impossible not to take at the very least some minor inspiration from the things you've seen.
As a 3d guy, the most we could use AI for is concepting, which is the 3d equivalent of writing your name down at the start of an essay. You still have to do all the hard work yourself since 3d AI tools aren't good enough for production purposes yet. And as an amateur coder, AI code is neat for jogging your memory when you forget how to do a particular thing, or for quickly writing repetitive code, or debugging/reviewing your already written code to check for inefficiencies/errors, but it can't write an entire game's worth of code.
Yeah. People give AI too much credit. It is an efficient all purpose tool... but nothing more than that. one tool of many, it cannot do any job alone. Jack of all trades master of none, and all that.
The ai is about concept art, not 3d models
@@IdiotamSpielenwouldn't even say jack of all Trades
Rather "jack of several trades"
you can definitely make 3d models with ai, and if they aren't good enough they can certainly generate a very well drawn 2d image. not that i care, i'm loving the game so far so i don't really care if the models are generally somewhat worse than a modern pokemon game, it's straight up more fun. i'm currently building a pokeball factory.
Ai is so good for code dude. You no longer have to do a lot of the busywork. I have it build classes and functions and then i tweak it. It’s a lot more than just writing your name at the start of an essay, it’s more like the entire first draft.
god this kind of "drama" makes me want to completely unplug from the gaming community online. camp a hates thing, so camp b decides they actually love it and it's just smaller culture wars
lol true. There’s one group who will love anything that others hate, and there’s one group who will find anything to hate on for any reason. Then the reasonable people are all drowned out.
Fucking thank you! All of this just has me scratching my head like: who gives a shit? Play what you like and you find enjoyable.
There is hardly any actual "drama" anywhere anymore. Most of it is just nothing burgers made by nobodies that want attention and clout.
For some reason people keep giving them the time of day to make them undeservedly relevant
It's the other way around. I'm not super into the game but nobody is playing palworld because of "counterculture" nonsense, people loved the game and then the hate followed. I've seen so many people playing it since launch and giving super high reviews of it-- and like any popular game, some people have to follow that up with dislike for views or w.e other senses they want to feed.
@@sere971 really wish it was obvious where the hate crawled out of, because so far literally every supposed reason the haters have to hate this game, ie that it's "stealing assets, using AI, etc" are false claims, the people who say they hate it because it promotes animal cruelty have literally never touched a game in their lives, including palworld, and the ones that say they hate it because it's not fun are insane and therefore all their opinions are invalid
Man, people be raging that something is similar in concept to pokemon as if digimon hasn’t existed for like 30 years now.
As a huge pokemon fan, I dont care. Nintendo is a multi-billion dollar company. Who cares if some of the pals have slightly similar designs to pokemon
Even if some designs are stolen its not blatant enough to care. Hopefully Pokemon can get back on the right track with some competition
As a Pokemon fan, I also don't care. As an artist, I care a LOT. Like a LOT a LOT because of the precedent it sets regarding original ideas and how companies are very critical at one point then not caring another. Being dismissive of it is just ridiculous, because if this were based on any smaller game then it'd be a bigger issue.
@@abaddonarts1129nope. No stolen assets. Pokemon doesn't own humanoid animal creatures. Did you even watch the video you're commenting on?
Fuck Nintendo and fuck Gamefreak, but also fuck plagiarism. I'm perfectly fine with there being competitors to Pokemon, just like there need to be competitors for Smash-- but good competitors embrace the spirit of the original game(s) without just ripping designs. You *CAN* do both.
@@potatocripp what exactly was plagiarized? Did Valorant plagiarize CS GO? You are allowed to take ideas and tweak them, that's how creativity works!
I really hope they get sued and forced to change the copied designs, because the game has really strong original designs and I really wish it had more. The harsh truth is the team has no artistic integrity, because they chose to create "grass cinderace" and "electric totoro" with edited existing models when they are clearly capable of designing creatures themselves! I played this game on Xbox game pass and I am REALLY enjoying it, in case some wanna use the hater argument.
For years, CEOs have asked artist teams to rip-off other games, and it's always been up to the artists to put their foot down and make their own twist of things others have done. This is a different case entirely, and the fact that you can immediately tell "botw" or "hollow knight" when you look at ONE SCREENSHOT tells you everything you need to know.
based comment !! plagiarism doesn't have to be 1-to-1 & people wanna shit on nintendo fans so they will let valid criticism of palword slide.
There are like 1,000 pokemon at this point. Creating creatures in a similar art style is almost certainly going to draw some level of comparison to one of the many pokemon designs. Basically, you can't draw an animal in a cartoon/anime style without it having some level of pokemon parallels.
Existing pokemon have also started to look like one another.
Look at Pokemon vs Dragon quest.
Exactly, and either way, they most certainly used Pokemon as reference, but that makes it inspired. It's crazy how a lot of people complaining on Twitter could be shut down with the word inspired yet when you say that they dig up everything in the companies past.
The comparisons are not just "oh yea that's a similar design". Some models look cut and pasted from Pokémon models. There are monster tamer games like Tem tem or coromon, that have unique designs that don't draw the same criticisms.
Except many of the eyes, body shape, mouth, tails, and hands are quite literally ripped from pokemon.
I thought the “huge pokemon scam” was going to be gameplay from their most recent games 💀
+2
I find some of the comparisons so funny. I saw one that literally just said "They are both clearly based of sheep/rams". Bro got sued by Nintendo 1 to many times and thought they owned every god damn animal.
See the thing is they’ve straight up used ripped models. There are three different Eevees in this game, there is a Serperior with Primarina’s hair on it, and they just straight up put Luxray and Lycanroc and Cinderace in recolored. I don’t think that it should be okay to steal assets.
@@HmmBearGrr I agree 100% They definitely did probably take some of the base assets and changed it slightly so its not 1 to 1. But I find it funny how some people instead of focusing on that are just like "well there are fictional creatures in this game, based off REAL animals?!! Clearly a rip off"
@@HmmBearGrrpoor nintendo 😔😔😭 (womp womp)
@@Puggylord316that's what annoys me so much lol... people who compare stuff that isn't even similar made it harder to actually compare the suspiciously 1 to 1 models
@@HmmBearGrr my suspicion is they asked ai to basically "copy the homework but change it a bit so the teacher doesn't know" xD. all the creatures i saw were straight up mixes of different pokemon, it really felt ai made. i do agree with people who say screw nintendo and that they deserve this for making shity pokemon games and refusing to evolve but the creatures are straight up stolen from pokemon, i'm honestly surprised that they got away with it legally.
"black and white, black and white 2 are the greatest pokemon games ever made" you're such a real one for that Ludwig, respect
I don’t know, the meowth one reminds me more of that cat from fucking Alice in wonderland than meowth
The cheshire cat, exactly what I thought as well
@@dressy7466yes that’s who I’m thinking of thank you 😂
Which one? Disney version? American MgGee? Tim Burton version?
@@Labyrinth6000 the pink obviously reminds me of Disney but also with elements from the Tim Burton one
@@Labyrinth6000I thought American McGees version immediately tbh, but ig that shows my age 😭
pokemon definitely doesn't own cartoony animal like creatures.
Thank you. You open minded
imagine sending death treats to another human being over some cartoon. American consumerism is truly a cancer.
Thinking that is a solely American problem is hilarious.
@@tehClewno but mostly lol
@@tehClew Not only in america, but in america its not even considered a problem
American cancer? Je suis charlie.
its not consumerism, its tribalism. They've made the decision to be on the "this is not okay" side, and will double even triple down to show their "tribe" that they are big boy that is super serious. Its brain worms, its a worldwide thing also, japanese young adult markets send more death threats than any other country if google is correct.
The byo guy on Twitter admitted to editing the models to make them 1:1 with the Pokémon models all because they were mad about the animal abuse in game.
Pokemon doesnt own the idea of capturing monsters.
Thank you ❤️❤️ yeah these Pokémon fans and Community are crazy
Well they not even hold right to modify animals, most of gen 1 pokemons are just modfied crabs, dogs, eggs etc. like people need to stop whining
The annoyting thing is that people aren't talking about the things this game has done better than some modern triple A titles of recent. They aren't bringing up, how there are 0 Microtransactions or Battle passes. They aren't talking about how there are virtually no bugs, or at the very least no game breaking ones. They aren't talking about how there are litteral triple digit hours of content *out of the box* and it's not from just grinding unlocks, but actual fun game play. They aren't talking about the freedom of choice the player has in both the monster catching and player base building aspects.
But no lets, complain that it looks incredible close to pokemon, people have been asking for a game like this from Gamefreak for *decades*, it finally happens and people wanna bitch and moan. And speaking of pokemon, I aint heard no Monster Rancher or Digimon fans get mad yet XD
On the "no game breaking bugs" thing, I remember reading a lot of reviews about having game breaking bugs, mostly involving save file corruption/deletion. I don't disagree with anything else, though, other than the "triple digit hours of content" point. That's a stretch, from what I've heard.
@@BobSmith-cg2ek yep, theres one huge game breaking bug that erases all your work and load but I havent encountered it yet so im happy atm playing
pokemon fanboys/girls always attack any new released/announced creature game, some less than others but even megami tensei had to take salt from it once or twice. Digimon fanbase isnt as toxic (from my experience) even called out when the game wasnt what as expected(digimon survive) a lot of fans liked that game, but wasnt what it was announced and digimon fans went and called them out on it, Sv wasnt only not was announced but was also unplayable on launch and yet you couldnt complain without trigging the fandom, tbh the deeper you go into the pokemon fandom more simillar to a cult it looks
as a Digimon Fan thats because (at least personally) I can understand, it's possible that there is more than one creature game that is good and further understand that competition drives innovation
cant use party tab because it puts an error message and crashes not to mention lag spikes and outright not working, while i like the game i completely disagree.
These arguments feel like primary school kids trying to defent their football team
I've seen gameplay, every single time I look at one of the pals, I think "oh that looks like this pokemon, this one looks very much a 1:1 of this pokemon".
given how weird some of them look, I can't help but think they were made putting Pokemons into an ia blender and boom, you got a slight different thing. the gameplay, I can defend, it's really good.
There's nothing in this game that's 1:1. Very close and very similar designs here and there, yes. But nothing that's exactly the same. They're different enough and that's all that matters. If Pokemon/ gamefreak are threatened by this then they should have made an actual pokemon game that people have been asking for, for years. If they won't deliver then some other company will. And I'm not gonna defend the company that has notoriously shut doen almost every fan game that tried to make pokemon better, and learned nothing from any of them.
Don't forget how Digimon is still seen as nothing more than a "Pokémon knock off" to this day when in reality it has its own distinct identity and is actually just Tamagochi for boys.
@@marshtomp8 Hell as I a kid I always described digimon as pokemon kind of but with guns and jorts, years before this came out specifically because of gargomon, it's sad that digimon got relegated to a pokemon knockoff when it was never trying to compete with the franchise.
The thing about palworld is yes there are a lot of similarities that you can draw that connects it to pokemon. However, I would strongly argue that the game is a survival/base building game first and foremost. It's not just collecting pals and having them battle and leveling them up like you do in pokemon. There's a huge survival aspect to the game that vastly sets it apart from pokemon. I think this is probably why they haven't gotten any flack from Nintendo as of yet.
Yeah the gameplay is completly different, pokemon is all about those action packed exciting turn based combats with ps2 models
If you were to compare, it’s more related at Ark/Digimon than to Pokémon
@@LimyDevotee not to mention ark has an animal/dino capture system using cryo balls. you throw em and capture em and carry em with you.
This is what I've been thinking this whole time, well put.
I just wish the designs weren't so lazy. If you've played pokemon then you can see Gengar's smile to a T on one Pal and Sobble's dorsal fin on another. One looks exactly like Decidueye, just without his cloak. I've heard the BOTW temperature gauge is just tacked on top of the game too. I feel bad for the TemTem devs now cause that game had designs that were almost entirely unique by comparison.
I also wish monster collectors/pokemon fan games would stop with trying to be edgy. You can have a mature game that doesn't pull its punches without having slavery mechanics and guns slapped on top of a game.
cringe clickbait title
ok
That's just how Lud operates some days lol
I agree, there's acceptable clickbait, and then there's this: literally lying
@@theunovanative7640 *Mogul Mail
Speak up 🗣️🗣️😭😭 bro ✊
I didn’t know that the Pokémon company and Nintendo had a monopoly on shapes and animals
And colors don’t worry
they don't but some of these models match 1:1, the odds that somehow they matched those by accident are non existent. doesn't pass the sniff test and the developers previous history don't do them any good
@@rowgesage936just the last game Gf copied Godzilla and Kamen rider for 2 of their new mons, even if Palworld copied pokemon, there's no reason to take anything said about that topic serious, pokefanatics are well know to attack and try to compare any other game with creatures to pokemon as inferior, its just more salt, you can be sure once next digimon stories comes out, the same people will talk shit about it, just like they did with cyber sleuth, coromon, temtem and so many others. tldr: there's 0 reason to take any claim made by a pokemon player serious
I like the game but you can't deny the similarities😂 I haven't touched a pokemon game since diamond and pearl but I've only heard bad things about the newer games. I have played some Pixelmon recently and its honestly not bad😂
@@Semnome-gv5yg I believe the problem resides soley on "if they stole assets".
If they didn't, yeah, there is no reason to listen to any """plagiarism concern""" on Twitter (like, fr, design-wise they're different enough to be considered eiher parody or inspiration).
If they did, however, the problem does arise as those assets are under a license and you are prohibited from expoting them from the game they come from.
PalWorld really shows the power of 'economies of scale'. That you don't have to price games at $70; you can still make a truckload of money by getting a game into as many consoles/pc as possible with a consumer friendly price
I wonder if there is also a factor of it feeling like the game might not stay out for long, so best play it now before it gets shut down. But I do think they’ve struck a goldmine of a concept that people already love. I just hope it doesn’t get into trouble over the models themselves (I think the only thing that realistically could be sued for here)
its not only that you can also have to add quality to the formula , 70$ games are normally published unfinished and in a crappy state
palworld even with their little bugs and fails is more stable , finished and fun than most of the triple a games released in the last 5 years or more
Just as some additional context that I think is important, the person who posted the model overlaps featured at 3:23 has admitted to adjusting the models so they overlap better, and all his statements should be read before you take this as facts.
He should have said this
He scaled it bigger, he didn't change the geometry
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ True, which he said in his statements, which everyone should read before making any judgements
also, the one dude who said it is almost impossible to have similar proportions has never 3d modeled from an image before because yeah if multiple people plug in the same image they will get similar proportions
If the Pokemon company can't figure out how to innovate and bring their game to a wider audience, then we get stuff like this. If I don't own a switch, or anything Nintendo, I would be locked out of playing a game I would otherwise love to play (unless I play on my phone), so for a game like this to be brought to market, it's a no brainer that it got so popular so quickly.
I've always thought it was beyond dumb that Nintendo limits their IPs to their platform considering how niche their platforms and IPs always are. Their whole ecosystem is designed around gaming on the go, which most people don't even do, and they have a pretty limited selection of titles for their platform, so it's mostly die hard fans of Pokemon, Mario, or Zelda that buy their consoles. They could have such a huge market share if they released proper modern Pokemon games across all platforms.
There have been indie Pokémon clones like Temtem and Cassette Beasts which copy the Pokémon formula even more closely though, and they didn’t do nearly as well as Palworld has done. I think it’s more the innovation Palworld brings to the table that’s attracting people.
@@RealEllenDeGeneres
The Switch is the third best selling console of all time, behind only the PS2 and Nintendo DS, so it’s definitely more than just diehard fans of Nintendo franchises that’s buying the console.
Bad take. This didn’t gain popularity because Pokemon isn’t doing well, it’s popular because Pokemon IS still doing well and people want to see how something in the same space will compare, and because it does what it does uniquely well too. Pokemon is the most financially successful entertainment franchise on the planet. It is not a coincidence that there is plenty of interest and money to go toward a competent “competitor.”
@@RealEllenDeGeneres the switch is literally one of the highest selling consoles EVER lmao. plus, i highly doubt 720p 30fps games will be appealing to pc gamers, so i think its good nintendo games just stay in their own bubble with their own everything.
I haven't finished the video yet but something else I think people are forgetting is that this isn't early-day Pokémon. There isn't only 151 Pokémon anymore. There's over 1000 as of this year. Of course there's gonna be some similarities!!
But people found out they are literally tracing the meshes from Pokemon for like 90% of their characters.
@@BushSageand?
@@chubbyanemone696 that's theft?
@@AwesomestTed pokemon took a lof of inspiration from dragon quest.
@@BushSageno they didn’t lol
pokemon designs are ‘fire monkey’, ‘actual fish’, ‘literal deer’ like how do you NOT rip off the designs
Don‘t forget the 12 electric squirrels they made. They recycle their own formula so often you‘re bound to end up with a similar model.
“It’s a lot of people’s personalities”
Well put man. Think that gets at the core of why people are feeling so touchy about this. Sort of reminds me of Genshin/BOTW when Genshin first hit the scene. I empathize with why some might feel upset.
For me, as long as the game still feels like it has its own identity and is actually well made then I don’t really care. Genshin is fun and I like it. Haven’t played Palworld yet but imagine I’ll feel similarly
Edit: just finished watching the video and Lud mentions Genshin/BOTW. Great minds lol
Mogul is stealing Ludwig's flow ong
making an actual pokemon mod is crazy 😭
Their just trapped by nostalgia.
My biggest hope with Palworld is that it's success will make gamefreak rethink their "get the game out asap no time to reinvent gotta get money" and actually make a "good" game (this is coming from someone who has mostly enjoyed the recent games, despite their quality heavily dropping). More competition in the pocket monster space should just lead to more incentive for gamefreak to improve as a studio?
How is a game made with zero effort gonna teach gamefreak anything other than "look, we really DON'T have to put effort into our games"
@@justinw8916 just because palworld isn’t a polished game doesn’t mean it won’t make it harder for game freak (and therefore better for us). that’s how competition works, if game freak doesn’t evolve the game and palworld continues to grow and see success, the currently untouchable entity of pokemon might just bleed
@@justinw8916because Palword is so much more polished than the past few Pokémon games, and it’s not even fully released.
@@mr.floofles3100 I would LOVE for the guys at GF to see a development cycle that would make for more refined and polished games, I do. I get that palworld is fun, but what boggles my mind is where this support was for quality monster collecting titles like Yokai Watch, SMT, and Digimon? They been made unique, fun, and better games than Pokémon do!
@@mr.floofles3100Pokemon games so badly need polishing and refining, they are a mess. I just dont see the vision in elevating a game whose purpose is latching onto "Pokemon but with guns" or "Pokemon-killer #232" as their identity when the monster collecting genre already has an array of genuinely better games with artistic soul and effort. Not tryna be a doomer, but at the end of the day there are now 2 greedy and lazy companies making best-sellers.
Pokemon peaked at Crystal.
W
Black and White was Peak, everything after that was downhill. Can’t wait until the Unova remakes.
Palworld really is bringing everyone out. My sister randomly told me she already had the game lol.
Seeing my friends from Ark, Rust, Grounded, Smalland, Monster hunter, and Pokemon all logging in Palworld this weekend was a delight. Different sets of players from different games somehow unified to play 1 game was glorious. no other game made us do this XD
News flash: In every single medium (Games, Movies, Books, Songs, ect) take inspiration from what was previously popular...
It is incredibly hard to come up with something completely unique and on top of that make it attractive to a mass audience.
Palworld is popular because it takes a previous genre of a "Team of monsters building RPG" and advances it more that Game Freak has done with Pokemon in 20+ years. People are tired of the same old Pokemon game year after year.
You should not be mad at the Palworld team for actually making some competition for Pokemon... Be mad with Game Freak and Nintendo for letting such a popular franchise and game genre stagnant to this extent...
Competition is the catalyst for improvement. Take a look at Madden for example. Ever since they got the exclusive rights to NFL simulation football, that whole genre had stagnated to the point of becoming a punchline. In my opinion, competition is the most important thing for advancement.
To anyone who read all of this post, here’s a gold star.
I feel that and I'm also glad to see that there are Pokémon fans who aren't just blindly hating. I mean I'd probably prefer the same game coming from Pokémon since it would probably have less bugs and everything. But they won't and that's the whole point...
@@michaellamp4600 Yeah kinda went on a rant lmao. Ty for coming to my TED talk
@@ProAssassinII You might not prefer it, because if Pokemon made this shift then the people who like Pokemon gameplay are screwed over. It would lead to constant in fighting (Look at Paper Mario) where one side can only be happy if the other suffers. These things have pretty big consequences and why Mario Kart shows the value of spin offs being consistent, unlike the abandoned Pokemon spin offs.
I wouldn't say people are tired of the same game for 20 years, it's more they are tired of paying Triple A prices for the same game for 20 years. I like it when games stay true to the formula, but when they ask high prices for what is essentially the same thing only with new monsters, when they think you ought to dump $70 for a current gen title that's basically a reskin of a 10 year old game (that they are still asking $50 for) is where I draw the line. If the latest Pokemon games, especially ones that appear to use the same engine as games released 5-10 years ago, were only $20-30, then that would be far more reasonable. But who wants to pay $70 twice a year for a franchise that doesn't do anything ground-breakingly new until that latest open world thing? I bet the next pokemon game that comes out is gonna be just like the last one, and it's gonna be $70 if not more. Also, the fact that Pokemon is locked to Nintendo's consoles and that they refuse to join the PC crowd is a huge downside too. That's why games like TemTem exist, people want this sort of content on PC, and would happily pay $40 for TemTem rather than being forced to pay $70 for a Switch game.
AAA companies are salty like when Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate were released.
Having put quite a lot of hours into palworld so far and loving it, I can say it really feels like a game satirizing pokemon. The idea alone of the use of guns, butchering the pals and even humans screams parody and satire. It very obviously doesn't take itself seriously so I really think the whole drama about it ripping off pokemon is absurd. Also, it's insanely fun and even if it uses AI, it is done with obvious human touches that make it forgivable in my eyes. Like the AI spongebob songs that keep coming out, making bangers with AI voice changers but having obvious human input and elements that tie it together. But even with that said, if there's no proof of it utilizing AI in the first place then the speculation really doesn't hold up.
The fact that butchering pals is censored as a joke adds to their playfulness.
Also the color scheme argument loses weight, when you see there’s regional differences to most of them from what I’ve seen. There’s like at least two version of each Pokémon that changes their colors completely.
They have traits like Sadist and Masochist lmfao, it's very clearly a parody and a damn fun one
@@markvieyra9950some of those arguments are very strong design wise, but like Kingpaca and Hisuian Growlithe? People are going to throw their back out reaching so hard.
As much as I'm enjoying the game so far, I really wish they would've kept the game more fantasy. Should've limited the weapons to bows/swords/magical staffs, etc... and just have increasingly more powerful weapons via magic like Minecraft Dungeons. The gun aspect almost made me not even download the game because it looked corny, but I saw too many people hyping it up not to try.
ai bad
I actually think the designs of the mobs loos pretty great, they really feel like a mix of gen 1 and modern Pokémon designs
Nintendo should make the best pokemon games on the market if they want to have the best pokemon games on the market.
They technically do on the market. Off the market though, you have the good stuff like unbound, uranium, gaia, insurgence, infinite fusion, pheonix rising, etc. Etc.
Romhacks and free fangames are king
@@cakeeyplayz Do you mean locked into the Nintendo ecosystem? Because even then that is barely true.
SMT has long been on Nintendo consoles and is the progenitor of the monster catcher genre, Persona 5 being the most prominant and praised child following from that. Cassette Beasts was the top "Pokemon-like" indie darling before Palworld. Monster Hunter Stories 2 was quite unique for the genre in its focus on the monster collection. And Pokemon Snap is a high-quality experience that you will only find competition for with maybe 2 Steam indie games.
When we go historic (heh) we get into Digimon Cyber Sleuth, other SMT Spinoffs (like best series Survivor), Fossil Fighters, etc, etc.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 thank you for listing some games that arent pokémon but still great regardless mate! Keep up the good work.
Also do i need to play the first smt game tp understand the newest one?
@@cakeeyplayz i would definitely not play the first SMT game unless you end up really liking the franchise, it's very, very old and very, very tedious
i recommend SMT 3 and onward, all of them are pretty self-contained stories
persona is a spin-off series of SMT in case you weren't aware and i think those games are infinitely more approachable than the mainline SMT games, so if you're gonna start somewhere i would recommend persona 4 golden or waiting for persona 3 reload coming out in early february, the persona games are also self-contained so you don't need to play them in any specific order
@@noahsylvester1754 i played persona 5 but got softlocked at the okumura foods boss so i suppose i shout just start with SMT 3 huh?
Also that is an abbreviation of shin megami tensei right?
my thread was the comparison thread you looked at, thanks for including it in the vid! and yes many are big stretches LOL but it was fun to make, just thought of any possible similarities and compiled them lol. great vid mr mogul
I captured humans, I cant go back to pals
We need more popular monster-catching-type games anyway, so pokemon can get legitimate competition. I'm all for this game and hope more appear that become successful. (I know there's a bunch of indie ones out there but this one has really made some ripples in the public eye, which is what's important!)
I think the problem with a lot of those other monster-catching-type games is that they're more similar to Pokémon than Palworld. TemTem for example is a really well made game, but it kind of feels like a Pokémon game that isn't actual Pokémon and I've already played these kind of games for the last 18 years starting with Pokémon blue...
They are holding a monopoly in the market otherwise, so yeah I 100% agree with you.
@@ProAssassinIIfirst u use monster-catching-type, but we forget about pokemon having 99% of market in this game.
People not giving Yokai Watch and DQM a chance is criminal in itself
Ludwig saying that black and white are the best games gives me so much respect for him. period.
almost every release since b/w, i've thought, will they finally live up to get 5's greatness again? but then they don't, over and over, and at this point i just kind of accept the next game will be mid and have a hard time caring.
I remember getting shit on for saying Black/White 1/2 were the greatest Pokemon games ever made in a comment section and hearing Ludwig say that just fills my heart. No other Pokemon game ever compares to how much fun I had playing B/W 1/2.
@@enzochiao The "muh underrated Gen 5" comment still doing the rounds for 5+ years I see
@@Axelarden "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next product."
- The Game Freaks
Black and White is what what made me stop playing Pokemon until Sword/Shield xD
This is literally the best thing that could have happened to Pokémon. Now they have a competitor they can buck their shit up and maybe actually release even a half-assed game instead of whatever the fuck releases have been since ORAS.
I thought that everyone was joking about it being a Pokémon Clone. Does it take some inspiration, sure. But why tf is anyone joystick riding for Nintendo.
I think one of the main reasons it’s not being taken down by Nintendo. Is because if they did I think the counter argument would be that Nintendo is then trying to monopolize the market of their game type. You can’t copyright mythical creatures.
Plus they’ve never taken down Pixelmon.
They very notoriously DID shut down pixelmon.
They very much did shut down pixelmon. It’s why all the sounds got reworked
They _did_ shut down the og Pixelmon, but I think that was because of stolen assets? Pixelmon Reforged and Cobblemon though still exist and don't have that problem, as far as I know.
Palworld doesn’t have an original bone in its body, but when you slap everything it draws from all together, it is admittedly a lot of fun.
The Hollow Knight clone scares me for this reason. I think it'll do really well even though it's a soulless cash-grab. The Hollow Knight community is pretty starved at this point so people will probably jump on it.
@@nebby3 nah wdym silksong is releasing tmr hahahhahhaahahhhhaha help me
@@nebby3 hollow knight clone? You mean Metroidvania clone clone? With plenty enough differences and gameplay mechanics to make it look like a completely different game with a similar artstyle which isn't even that unique to hollowknight
@@nebby3bro when that shit came out everyone tried to tell me it wasnt a clone. i thought i was going crazy. glad someone else sees it for the blatant ripoff it is
@@nebby3The issue is that popular, revolutionary games have always been genre-creating. That’s why we have subgenres called things like “Rogue-like,” “Souls-like,” and “Metroidvania.” They’re all named after games that, in breaking the mold, created a *new* mold. Taking inspiration from popular games doesn’t make a game bad or make it a soulless cash grab. They can be heavily inspired while still being developed with care.
Hollow Knight is a Metroidvania, after all. It takes strong inspiration from the gameplay of game series like Castlevania and Metroid. And, frankly, if a studio leaves their audience starving for decent content for years, I don’t think it’s all that wrong for developers who are fans of those games to say, “hey, I have an indie studio and I want to make a spiritual successor to a game I love, but with new elements added to give it a twist.” That’s what PocketPair did with Never Grave-took inspiration from a popular game, but add things like multiplayer, base building, new gameplay mechanics, etc.
After all, this is exactly what Stardew Valley did with Harvest Moon, and no one reasonable lost their shit over that.
Guilty until proven innocent with the terminally online.
This whole argument seems to boil down to pokemon fanboys versus game freak haters, it feels like nobody actually cares whether or not the designs are stolen
Nah. I'm not a Pokemon fanboy, but also don't hate GameFreak. A lot of the comparison photos are really reaching IMO, or pointing out that a Pal and a Pokemon both look like sheep, so it kind of puts a bad taste in my mouth on that front. No 'Creature Collector' game is allowed to base their creatures on real world animals just because Pokemon has done it already?
Some of the designs are sketchy, but altered enough to mostly not be an issue IMO. There are a few strange ones like the same shape/proportioned models Ludwig showed, but I'm still up in the air on that as well. It is a pretty damn generic 'animal' shape and proportions.
I think the people hating on it are AI haters, and Pokemon die-hard fans. The people defending it are just seeing the absurd claims, or have enjoyed playing it, or both.
Pretty much. I don't care even if it comes out models were ripped cause it's a fun game. Had they been stolen from a smaller indie dev that would be different but this is gamefreak we're talking about, anyone white knighting them is delusional
@@notyaunzzzwell prove that they used AI for this game. Then you can bring justice for the artists.
@@notyaunzzz There is no evidence of AI art being used in this game. You say you feel bad for artists witnessing the response to this game? What about the artists that are being unfairly accused of plagiarism and using AI and receiving death threats? If Gamefreak or Nintendo want to take Palworld to court they will. In the mean time they don't need random internet users to enforce their own copyright.
@@notyaunzzz this game is clearly devoid of any passion and soul and i do agree that making ai a thing for any art form will be very bad creatively for the future but it seems that ai being responsible for these designs isn't affecting the artists who made the pokemon designs in the past and it's more of a theft issue rather than how it was made and it affects the company, if even that and not the artists. ofc i can see how it can affect the artists in the future for sure if companies use ai instead of employing humans to do the job but to me that seems like a different discussion whereas this is more of a copyright thing.
Saying the ceo was positive about AI isn't the whole story. He literally tweeted about how it can be used for designing new pokemon.
6:26 Ludwig described Twitter's biggest flaw in one minute
Imagine taking any energy out of your life to defend the fucking pokemon company
For the record, using AI to make in-game models isn't illegal. Just bc something looks "similar" doesn't mean it's stolen. Also, mods are their own beast, which require an entirely different conversation. Palworld devs had no part in them and we dont sue Glock when aftermarket parts come out.
You know AI can't do original designs right?
@@lesterantenor1026 And? Everything is inspired by something, let it be art, music, games, and the like.
@evanmccue736 ur missing the part where artists have their own style or something to add not just mashing up other peoples art without rhyme or reason
@@evanmccue736 inspired?? more like plagiarised
@@siddhantthakur3261 Prove it, Nintendo will pay you top dollar to prove it so they can sue another competitor out of business instead making a better game themselves.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that this game is a blatant cheap knockoff of the Pokemon Mod for Ark survival evolved.
As a game developer I can assure you that all of your favorite companies already use AI for pretty much everything they can as long as it makes the workflow more efficient, they do however also use actual human workers to then modify polish and “humanize” those AI creations
That sucks
@@lesterantenor1026 why does that suck?? if it makes work for developers easier then who tf cares
@@lesterantenor1026 So you say, on a piece of tech created exclusively to make communication easier. Checkmate xD
@@lesterantenor1026you want more crunch? you want game with inflated budget?you want more game with 10 year development? you should embrace future from now
@@omegafyzentra1779 IKR, with their high profits they can now hire more 'REAL WORKERS' to continue development. 3 games come to mind that has this situation, lethal Company, Battle Bit, and Palworld. All games took hours from me compared to other AAA games I've played.
i was called insane on TikTok for having never heard of this
Its manufactured hype
completely inzane
Just waiting for a streamer to play it
@@Saint-hamudi theres a bunch of popular streamers playing it, i just dont watch streams. Its insane how this game is supposedly on par with the biggest launch in steam history, yet no real person i know has really heard of it or played it. But its still breaking all the steam records, very suspicious.
@@cooltwittertag most people did not hear about it till it game out which was not even a week ago. idk how it is very suspicious thats like saying its very suspicious taylor swift was selling out every where because you have never met someone that has gone to her tour the same amount of people went to her shit as people that bought this game
i'm not a pokemon fan at all, but I enjoy the gameplay of palworld, the mix of capturing monster and survival elements and settlement building with guns is pretty fun, that's what drew me to palworld, not the monster designs tbh.
the glare of meowth on a skittys body is honestly prettty funny
Palworld is also relevant for having every creature interact in different and interesting way with all the games mechanics, its just well designed
I saw two pals of the same species hunt together and gang up on another pal of a different species and i thought that was so cool having never seen something like that before in pokemon
@@notsoawesomeone My first experience was 2 direwolfs absolutely destroy a chicken, then they started eating its corpse.
The one thing I keep hearing about Palworld is it's realistic Pokemon with guns and that's from people that have not played it. It's more fair to explain it as Rust or Ark with a capturing mechanic because at it's heart, it's an open world survival game.
at what point can you create a game that doesn't remind you or pull some ideas from other games
When you dont rip designs straight from the game youre inspired by??? Just look up how they made their designs and what inspired theirs, then find similar inspiration yourself. Jeez, its not that hard.
@@cakeeyplayz They didn't rip designs, Also your not an artist.
@@thecoolcarhd4402 dont tell me what i am and am not ya jerk
Also please look at the coballion. Its so obvious its genuinely funny. The only difference is the cloud mane they yoinked from the weather trio xD
@@cakeeyplayz Only real similarity is the colour scheme, different eyes/nose/face (incl. colouring), accent markings, hooves, necks and extra detailing all across the models. I don't play either game so I probably don't get this level of bias, but pretty much every single design comparison is of the same difference that Dragon Quest and Pokémon has. Inspiration/fair use goes a long way and if you bash designs for being reasonably similar to another IP, your ability to create anything would be seriously hindered. Granted, it's definitely pulling on the schtick of being a clone, but not in all aspects just in design and vague gameplay mechanics, in which many games pretty much everyone has played had done before with much less flak for it.
@@cakeeyplayzit’s inspired characters, do you even have actual proof?
Death threats over pokemon look a like.... who are these people and what planet do they live on 😂
GTA has frame for frame the exact same cars as the real world they just use a different badge😭🤷♂️
the makers of space panic in 1980 should sue everyone that ever made a platform game ever.
The designs aren’t as close as people think. I’m an artist that really focuses on character creation. People just see similar colors and facial expressions. I only saw one part of a design that made my eyes go wide. It was the sylveon feeler on a palmon. The problem I have is the models tbh. That is much more deliberate.
better graphics, innovation, creativity, and originality than Pokemon has had in well over a decade. If Pokemon won't actually make a good game anymore, glad to see that someone else did
if you compare the game to pokemon, then yes, it innovates. however, this isn't a pokemon game.
when you take a look at the "innovations," you'll quickly realize that it's just ideas taken from other games.
@@blvdes pretty much, the game is honestly closer to ark than it is to pokemon.
@@blvdes Even though it's ideas from other games, it's definitely more polished than the other games that utilize those ideas. For example, Ark! Ark 2 is shit and not well optimized, this is good!
@coffeenair oh really, you played ark 2?
@@blvdes yeah, wasn't that good at all
The galarian meowth comparison doesn't make much sense when you see that the pal world one is ripping off the chechire cat, not some obscure pokemon
I think ya'll forgot Nintendo didn't create Pokemon. Gamefreak did.
Pokemon purists seething that a monster collector game is venerated while they get a bug-ridden, goofy ahh looking graphics, non-existent overworld content, stagnated in SV