Whip over when opponent is doing a single or double leg takedown. A good time to hit whip over is right when opponent’s knee has hit the mat-I would throw in direction of the downed knee. If a whip over was there, I would try a whip over. But-if their other knee was down, I would still throw in direction of downed knee, except then it wouldn’t be a whip over-it would be a lat pull throw assisted by a whizzer push-all in same direction as opponent’s downed knee. Thank you for showing high level competition doing these moves. You made a good point, showing whip over against opponent’s shot with a downed knee. Showing whip overs while retreating or pushing forward. While retreating from opponent’s shot, the opponent can become too far extended (reaching) and a whip over is made easier because opponent has extended too far while on one or both knees. Easier to throw when opponent is on one knee rather than two knees. But opponent can still be thrown while on two knees, even though he is more stable than on one knee.
For the standing variation you can use Hayden Hidlay's 2018 Semi-final against Alec Pantaleo. One of my favorite! Great video too, I love how in-depth you go for what seems like such a simple move!
In my very first tournament in high school, at 119lbs ,my opponent was a girl. I was winning via points but the ref was literally colorblind and was giving her my points! My coach said he would murder me if I lost to a girl but I swear to god it was one of my hardest matches. She could just twist her lower body 180 degrees and then twist her upper body out of anything I was doing! And most wrestling moves are made to pin the upper body and shoulders so none of the shit I was doing was working. Eventually I just ended up catching her in a cradle and winning gold in the tourney. My final match was against my own training party err r and close friend. It was a vicious and brutal match hahaha. We were both almost unable to move by the end of the match. He was pissed I beat him. It wasn't that I had better technique. We were both pretty equally skilled and knew eachithers moves and tendencies. I literally won by a hair just bc I was stronger or had more left in me by the end of the match so I could pin him. Good times. Almost miss that grind....almost lol.
@@RebelsWrestlingHypeHouse ahhhhhh it was the first of many lol. This particular tourney was only 4 matches total. But it was a great introduction to the world of tournament style competitions.
@@bxmully almost? Almost? Lol, Those were some of the best days. Those were some grueling days, but we had some great camaraderies & some great friendships were built in that wrestling room. The grind was tough, but it helped prepare us for some of the battles in life.
I was master of a similar move. If you have a strong upper body and a low center of balance this variation can work well for you. Go to 4:28 and freeze it. Watch as the opponent shoots in, if I was the Ohio State wrestler instead of undercooking with my right hand, I would throw a right cross face hard and fast and take him to the mat on his back for a pin, or a 5 point move. It is like a standing head lock as he shoots and extends his arms. Try this move it worked for me many times over the years. I literally would bait my opponent by extending my right leg out unprotected to get them to shoot and had it perfectly timed. I loved the move.
Some of these aren't actually whip-overs, but instead just throwbys from an underhook. Like the one in 5:18. He starts trying to use a whipover, but then knows its not going to work and since his opponent isn't overhooking super hard, he just throws the underhook by. A little bit of a nitpick, but something that I feel ought to be pointed out.
Well done! One thing I would change is that instead of saying the hand controlling the elbow is doing a dumbbell row (don't forget, the opponent gets to wrestle and defend, too), that left hand on Tomasello's elbow is extending it away from his body, as are his shoulders and chest, completely changing his center of gravity. In a whipover situation, getting opponent out of good position (shoulder, knees, and toes alignment), and making his weight suddenly shift forward will make for an equally effective whipover. Thoughts?
I was watching this video and the one about the cement mixer/cow catcher. For the cow catcher you need an elbow to elbow underhook (or deeper), but apparently not for the whip over.Can anyone explain me why? They look pretty mechanically pretty similar to me. Thanks
I think you’re mistaking names. Te guruma is a crotch lift, something like a high c. The closest judo equivalent would be prob uki goshi if we’re looking at the motion (minus the hip tho) or whatever garrigos did vs naohisa. Idk the name of the throw but I’ve learned it before. You do similar underhooking movement iust more vertical
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Get ur hips back, the taller you stand up the easier it is for them to whip you over, and try and limp arm out on the Under hook side or basically punch down
Mechanically very similar to a cow-catcher except a cow-catcher generally uses a headlock grip instead of the far overhook. Both moves can be very effective.
Fantastic explanation. I like the comparison to hands on a clock.
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@@DPSBreakdowns ua-cam.com/video/kV7oMXbJYsM/v-deo.html i think it's called in judo sumi otoshi
Whip over when opponent is doing a single or double leg takedown. A good time to hit whip over is right when opponent’s knee has hit the mat-I would throw in direction of the downed knee.
If a whip over was there, I would try a whip over.
But-if their other knee was down, I would still throw in direction of downed knee, except then it wouldn’t be a whip over-it would be a lat pull throw assisted by a whizzer push-all in same direction as opponent’s downed knee.
Thank you for showing high level competition doing these moves.
You made a good point, showing whip over against opponent’s shot with a downed knee. Showing whip overs while retreating or pushing forward.
While retreating from opponent’s shot, the opponent can become too far extended (reaching) and a whip over is made easier because opponent has extended too far while on one or both knees. Easier to throw when opponent is on one knee rather than two knees. But opponent can still be thrown while on two knees, even though he is more stable than on one knee.
Hit this on the BJJ mat this morning after watching your video yesterday. Thanks for the excellent breakdown.
Great to hear that!
Your knowledge of karate is fabulous. Thank you for making these.
For the standing variation you can use Hayden Hidlay's 2018 Semi-final against Alec Pantaleo. One of my favorite! Great video too, I love how in-depth you go for what seems like such a simple move!
Thanks man. I have been waiting for this one
Great vid, reminded me of when Deron Winn hit this move twice on jden cox at 2014 world team trial
Against hayden as well
Thanks for the references, guys!
Fantastic video once again. It's nice to see wrestling breakdowns.
Great video! You chose wonderful examples for the move. Can't wait to see more of these!
Great stuff. Can't wait for season to start.
In my very first tournament in high school, at 119lbs ,my opponent was a girl. I was winning via points but the ref was literally colorblind and was giving her my points!
My coach said he would murder me if I lost to a girl but I swear to god it was one of my hardest matches. She could just twist her lower body 180 degrees and then twist her upper body out of anything I was doing! And most wrestling moves are made to pin the upper body and shoulders so none of the shit I was doing was working. Eventually I just ended up catching her in a cradle and winning gold in the tourney. My final match was against my own training party err r and close friend. It was a vicious and brutal match hahaha. We were both almost unable to move by the end of the match. He was pissed I beat him. It wasn't that I had better technique. We were both pretty equally skilled and knew eachithers moves and tendencies. I literally won by a hair just bc I was stronger or had more left in me by the end of the match so I could pin him. Good times. Almost miss that grind....almost lol.
Damn that sounds like a hell of a tournament!
@@RebelsWrestlingHypeHouse ahhhhhh it was the first of many lol. This particular tourney was only 4 matches total. But it was a great introduction to the world of tournament style competitions.
@@bxmully almost? Almost? Lol, Those were some of the best days. Those were some grueling days, but we had some great camaraderies & some great friendships were built in that wrestling room. The grind was tough, but it helped prepare us for some of the battles in life.
These videos make my year
I use this in JJ all the time, grabbing the sleeve on the posting arm after a failed shot works pretty well.
I was master of a similar move. If you have a strong upper body and a low center of balance this variation can work well for you. Go to 4:28 and freeze it. Watch as the opponent shoots in, if I was the Ohio State wrestler instead of undercooking with my right hand, I would throw a right cross face hard and fast and take him to the mat on his back for a pin, or a 5 point move. It is like a standing head lock as he shoots and extends his arms. Try this move it worked for me many times over the years. I literally would bait my opponent by extending my right leg out unprotected to get them to shoot and had it perfectly timed. I loved the move.
The key to this move is timing ,footwork/positioning and the leverage from that
That is the key to basically every wrestling move on your feet.
Some of these aren't actually whip-overs, but instead just throwbys from an underhook. Like the one in 5:18. He starts trying to use a whipover, but then knows its not going to work and since his opponent isn't overhooking super hard, he just throws the underhook by.
A little bit of a nitpick, but something that I feel ought to be pointed out.
Amazing details. Thanks for the content and keep up the good work 😃
Thank you!
This is so great.
Thanks, Coach!
Well presented and explained
Thank you.
Well done! One thing I would change is that instead of saying the hand controlling the elbow is doing a dumbbell row (don't forget, the opponent gets to wrestle and defend, too), that left hand on Tomasello's elbow is extending it away from his body, as are his shoulders and chest, completely changing his center of gravity. In a whipover situation, getting opponent out of good position (shoulder, knees, and toes alignment), and making his weight suddenly shift forward will make for an equally effective whipover. Thoughts?
Yazdani from Iran is a master of this technique.
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Please do a video on the shin whizzer would love to learn it properly
Great breakdown.
I think you can be the best analysis for wrestling coach
Can you do a study on the Dustin Schlatter slide by
Now that I've seen this I might use that in my wrestling when it opens back up
Let me know how it goes.
I was watching this video and the one about the cement mixer/cow catcher. For the cow catcher you need an elbow to elbow underhook (or deeper), but apparently not for the whip over.Can anyone explain me why? They look pretty mechanically pretty similar to me. Thanks
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Great video man
I remember 2 matches in particular when I got caught with this after trying to hit a sloppy high crotch
Can you please do a Russian tie study I wanna show my team this channel.
great analogies
Te guruma in judo (awesome video)
This is the smartest counter to leg attacks besides crotch lifts/bodylock rolls
This is not te guruma
@sg12nk34 that's true but it's close as you're going to get..
I think you’re mistaking names. Te guruma is a crotch lift, something like a high c. The closest judo equivalent would be prob uki goshi if we’re looking at the motion (minus the hip tho) or whatever garrigos did vs naohisa. Idk the name of the throw but I’ve learned it before. You do similar underhooking movement iust more vertical
@sg12nk34 yeah you're correct... that's the wrong term, I was commenting on the wrong video
Nice technique👍
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Mastered this move
I remember doing this in hs wrestling and never knowing it had a name until one of the coaches told me to mix it up and stop using the whip over 🤣
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Whip it good 👍👍
thanks for tecing keep it up
it would be nice, if you could upload a video showing how to defend against this counter. PLEASE
One important way to prevent this counter is to use set-ups that put your opponent out of strong positioning prior to your shot.
Get ur hips back, the taller you stand up the easier it is for them to whip you over, and try and limp arm out on the Under hook side or basically punch down
Also if you take a wide shot when you shoot a double it’s more likely this’ll happen to you
5:04
What’s the difference to a cow catcher
They are pretty similar moves, but the cow catcher uses a headlock/chinstrap grip instead of far tricep control. Both use an underhook.
im wating for next video
Tried this today in class n failed, now I know why
6 dislikes from the wrestlers that got whipped over.
Good vid bra
Nice
Oh wow my sprawl has a counter attack and now I have a counter to a double leg oss
I thought this was called a slide by.
It kind of is. A whip over is most likely used not standing and is used to get some back points. A slide by doesnt look for bad points
The 3 thumbs down must Tomasellos family 🤣
Basically a cow catcher / pancake
Mechanically very similar to a cow-catcher except a cow-catcher generally uses a headlock grip instead of the far overhook. Both moves can be very effective.