Couple of points: I think the iceborne omnicell's focus is on staying full health. At full health, get more ice lance damage, that's the goal. If you get hit, don't worry, you gain lifesteal and damage reduction. Iceborne doesn't have any draw backs either, unlike discipline. From what I know all good players have the damage > survivability mindset and based on the poll, it seems like a lot of players like the ability to take a hit or five. Discipline has more damage increases, but you lose health and takes 100% damage when disciplined, which raises the skill floor and skill ceiling. You're just focusing on the skill ceiling because you've got the skill to focus on the ceiling. Newer players are focused on the skill floor. I don't know much about bastion, seems cool. Quality video, I like this kind of thought provoking decisions.
the only reason i can see for using iceborn in higher difficulty content is on heroic tesca because using a shield build needs a terra weapon. that is it. just use a shield build with bastion for everything else cuz it outdamages and doesn't rely on the behemoth hitting you for your damage
Discipline is awesome but you need to dodge “A LOT” and Can “NOT” take too much damage or otherwise you will burn through your revives and flasks very fast. I do believe this is why a lot of people voted for Ice borne over Discipline
most people are pretty unaware of how the game works though. Bastion is more dmg and more survivability than iceborn simply because of how poorly ib synergy is and how poorly coded it is. example: IB 1100hp gets hit with an attack doing 700dmg, dmg reduced by 5% is 665 leaving you with 435hp and 25% dmg reduction, get hit by the same attack for 700 dmg, reduced to 524, and dead. Bastion 1000hp 500shields. hit for 700 take 700 down to 800, take hit for 700 take 700 down to 100, and live. Even if in the first scenario with IB you life steal 100hp before getting hit again you would still go down because you lose 5% dmg reduction and still end up taking enough dmg to go down. 435hp up to 535, 20% dmg reduction hit for 700 reduced to 560 still dead. But on top of that, as you life steal back up to full hp you start losing life steal and dmg reduction...why? so dumb and gives weapons with fast low dmg attacks a disadvantage in the situation since instead of doing a huge attack that benefits from the stacks of life steal you do small attacks that lose the stacks of lifesteal as you gain life lol. Iceborn only starts seeing value when you are getting hit with low dmg attacks but bastion excels in that area too since any attack that doesn't do more than your current amount of shields can then just be "healed" by generating more shields. You would think iceborn would benefit from tenacious especially with the extra 100hp but bastion still benefits more being able to actually protect the core hp instead of having to heal up missing hp with ib to get more value from tenacious. Just an all around bad omnicell but people think its good because they can get tossed around (or not tossed around with ib activation) by an embermane and win because of low dmg taken and life steal. As soon as the content starts becoming more difficult iceborn is kind of bad and the activation is incredibly bad because as dough stated being unstaggerable can be incredibly dangerous. Dont get me wrong bastion has its downfalls and ib can technically be better survivability in very specific cases like literally not knowing how to dodge/not understanding the behemoth fight lol which makes sense why more people picked ib cuz the majority of the playerbase is actually really bad at the game. TLDR Iceborn is garboooge, poorly designed, coded horribly, and still is less survivability than bastion.
I see people watch these videos and then jump on discipline then wipe constantly.... but then I also see noobs running icebourne throwing lance to initiate like morons instead of using it when they actually need a heal or an interrupt, and then wiping constantly. Then there's me rocking skarns lantern and bastion carrying a bunch of nabs who think just because somebody on youtube told them it's "mathematically better" they need to rock it instead of playing something they're actually going to enjoy.
Iceborne is the only omnicell you can set and forget. Bastion makes you pay attention to your shields and discipline makes you actively play with its active ability. That's why iceborne is my favorite when I hunt solo, personally.
@@badbilly7499 but iceborne is very good and easy to use, omnicells like tempest are played more like a challange of: "escalation but i only use tempest". Iceborne is very easy to use, you just throw a lance, get the buffs, and go on with ur day, wait a bit and repeat
Here's my take - I have been playing dauntless for 2 years now, and I'd like to think I am fairly good at the game. I have enough skill to get top 100 on solo trials, so I am fully capable of handling the gameplay mechanics and dodging. For a player such as myself, it's quite obvious that discipline is the only *sensible* option in terms of raw DPS, but I can absolutely see when iceborne is viable. Bastion still needs tweaking and I don't really know if it'll be worth using for the time being because its use of the shields is pretty flawed as mentioned in the video, and even though I have never used icebone since the Omnicells dropped I can see how it helps newer players. When I was still learning dodge timings, the original iceborne cell allowed me to make mistakes and survive EVEN if I got hit. I feel like the whole "unstaggerable" thing is kind of sloppy, but it at least doesn't punish you for trying to learn how to dodge. You still have to dodge because you don't have damage reduction at full health to survive an attack, but it definitely gives you a chance to learn with training wheels. Iceborne is bad for players that are good, and great for people still learning the game. BUT if you have a gold crown and use iceborne... bro just use parasitic lol
@@funbrothers3053 parasitic is the closest thing to the old ice borne, I’d say parasitic is the new best defense cell and it could be used even in place of the new ice borne omnicell if you want to use discipline or tempest
@@scewt the spear has a reward for in general using it, but something like what the icicle gives on Iceborne needs to be a thing for Bastion's Slam, a dmg boost based on the shield spent or like you said refunding shield with another bonus
"Iceborne does not deserve to have the most ammount of votes" yes it does. Parrying is hard and iceborne is a good survival cell for starters. Not everyone is in the same level of skill. Also, the game is not all about dealing damage.
The reasons why I think iceborne is lack luster doesn't stem entirely from damage. It's active doesn't work well with the entirety of the kit and the way you increase damage goes against what omnicell is for. Iceborne is to take damage so why would there be an expectation to be full health to use the lance especially when the way you reduce the CD is by taking more damage. It would make more sense if the playstyle was: use lance to be unstaggerable take damage and reduce CD, cast it so you get extra lifesteal, rinse repeat.
@@OhDough but the cell gives you extra life steal with each hit you take, which is supposed to help you top off your health before casting it again. I agree that 60 seconds is a bit too much, but the cell doesn't seem to have a synergy problem to me
@@moonlight2870 It does though this kit is counter intuitive you want damage be at full health but your cool down is pathetic so you need to take damage it's like they want you to do a yo yo effect with your health and take dps on purpose but the game is revolved around constant staggering and stun locking behes. Technically Bastion is a better cell the only issue is it's activation ability which is kinda lame but when you compare ice to bastion as far as how gameplay is designed bastion out perform.
Turns out 9 months was enough time to make it good, it’s a good build revolving around staying at 50% health, paired with rage and another cell is good af for damage and survivability.
I play +6 tough, +3 Parasitic, +6 Tenacious w/ Iceborne because I was dying too often on hesca. I usually never have enough stamina left to dodge so I might as well be tanky and have the lifesteal to maintain my tenacious damage.
Try to integrate skullforge with parasitic +3. seriously no more stamina problems is a blessing and even molten +3 has its uses. With infinite stamina, iceborn and parasitic you have enough defence. You can then leave out tough for more dmg. Pulse + cunning is the best combo I found if you dont like predator like me 👍
I haven't played in a while but didn't he read through the last patch notes and it said that Tenacious is gone now? As I understood you only have the shield effect anymore.
I think all omnicells are good and iceborne is definitely good for playing casually. I'm looking at them on the high end and their overall cohesiveness. Discipline makes the most sense but it's simple since it's just damage. Iceborne and bastion just need some tweaks so they function properly within their own boundaries.
My main issue with iceborne is that it promotes bad habit with newer players. Dodging becomes optional when you can get your hp back anyway which hurts them in the long run. Used to be an iceborne player (even before it was an omnicell) then i tried others and never looked back
you gotta hit the button right as you pass through the behe. you can't press it too early and obviously not late. for optimal booping, walk backwards like dough in the video
I use iceborne cause it keeps me full health with the lifesteal, and also rewards staying full health with a buffed ice lance. Basically it encourages dodging to keep my health max, but even if I get hit I just lifesteal it all back.
As it turns out iceborne is more usefull/fun than I thought. I still think the active should be changed by either making it so the more damage you take the more damage the lance deals or giving it 2 casts. This is based off of the CD reduction not working though so who knows. maybe once it's fixed it'll be a really short CD with the right tank build.
I still think iceborn needs more upfront damage reduction like 20% -30% and the special used to be invincibility and i understand why they changed it but they should at least give a huge damage reduction bonus after you use tap. like 50% at max health. your tap should be the im going in raw moment for 8 sec. Bastion like you said is counteractive with it use with galvanized. First it needs a buff to shield generation and a max shield capacity. using tap should give you a bonus to make up for the loss in galvanized crit. you are sacrificing both the crit chance and the survivability for a big number damage. As for discipline i think 100% is bit to big a penalty. i usually get hit by the dumbest things and die and also lose the buff. maybe a 25% extra damage like the amps is ok. Not 100%. the nerf to regeneration is heavy enough.
I do believe every omnicell still needs some fine tuning to really get the kinks out. Iceborne unstaggerable state is used against you by higher behemoths because you no longer have I-frames after getting hit in a multi-hit setting. Either return it to full invincibility or massively buff defense while unstaggerable. Not to mention the issue of the long CD and not having it shortened when hit. 2 cast stacks per CD does seem like a good idea Bastion could probably have a couple changes (I get annoyed when my leaps randomly decide they didn't hit a behemoth despite a direct hit) maybe add to it that hitting with the active gives back like half of the consumed shields as a separate buff with no duration? Make it rewarding to generate such massive shields and maintain them. But also a 'miss' could not consume the shields and refund at least half the CD? Discipline could likely cut back on the 'double damage taken while Disciplined' since sometimes you get a successful parry and still get hit and/or not get the stack you should've gotten
@@craigfunk3453 "Discipline could likely cut back on the 'double damage taken while Disciplined' since sometimes you get a successful parry and still get hit and/or not get the stack you should've gotten" Man do i have some funny stories to tell you about that counter. getting killed by enrage blast despite countering oh boy and not to mention avenging overdrive countering and getting hit. Add invisible hitboxes of lasers or attacks that go throw behemoth and that is it buff and life gone.
@@KevinShmelvin hey I have plenty of my own 'parry? Yeah, NO!' Tales. Especially since I willingly walk into heroic escas with discipline since the parry has its uses to defend against some attacks if you find yourself out of stamina
I love how I’m watching this a bit later when I lot of things have changed. Anyway, the reason people like Iceborne so much is because of massive health tenacious builds. I run that with the Koshai lantern since you can run the lantern and omnicell now. Just saying you can run a very tanky build and come out with a lot of damage. If anyone is confused I’ll explain
Iceborne lets you get lifesteal as a passive and stagger resistance after using it. The only other thing (other than consumables) that gives lifesteal is Koshai`s Bloom, and that is only limited. I personally dont use Iceborne for its shooty ability, i normally use it for the lifesteal.
I think Bastion should deal more damage. Just a bit. The expenditure of all shields makes sense as like a risky move. BTW it takes all shields not just the shields from Bastion so there are ways to basically ALWAYS have a shield.
The biggest reason I can see for people loving Iceborn right now is you can very easily build to be nearly unkillable with very little effort. I've been running it on an thrax axe build with skarn lantern for shields, tenacious, parasite, rage, sturdy, and the cronovore legs with the matching cell. I can happily trade damage with behemoths in escalation and I'll quickly heal all of that damage right back while getting a nice damage buff on top of it. It lets me bully behemoths like thrax while some of my teammates are getting thrown around like Ragdolls if they make a mistake. It's some of the most fun I've had in a while since my favorite way to play is to be overly aggressive to the point of trading damage and just have fun. Discipline requires so much more out of the player to be useful and has a nasty downside if you happen to make a mistake.
Iceborne is better for a simple reason. You look super cool when you boop with the lance, and you know the people who saw you thought "damn that was cool"
It seems to me that all the Omnicells's passives dont really synergize with their active. Iceborne: tiny max hp and the lower you get the tankier you become + life steal, but your active forces you to be at max hp in order to benefit. Bastion: get shields faster than before and get skarn's old UE, but your active it throwing it all out for some damage Discipline: increase crit chance and dmg by 10% and reduce your healing by 50, but you have to use your active to get the rest of your passive effect to activate which requires you to boop a behemoth perfectly 4 times and once you do that, for 40 seconds you do get increase crit chance, but you also take 100% more damage, meaning you get hit even once and there go all your stacks cause you're eating dirt. Omnicells have good potential, but they need some fundamental changes to their design. Remember: We lost our tap abilities on our lanterns for these three, and who knows when the next one will show.
Iceborn: Not really for dmg, its for safe booping. Bastion: Use it right before skarn lantern and you have your shield up within seconds. Discipline: You can parry any attack, not only the ones you can boop. And you can chose to stay at 3 stacks and use the last one only when the behemoth enrages, aethercharges. Gives you a lot of time to do dmg. They are situational, yes. But not really without synergy in my opinion 😬
@@TheRandomASDF A fair enough point. Though if you're forced to build for synergy around them, doesnt that defeat the purpose of them allowing you to build however you want?
@@lchassefang I think the purpose of omnicells is the encouragement of certain builds/playstyles or at least the use of certain cells with them. May feel limiting now with only 3, but hopefully not for long 😬
I don't feel like there is anything wrong with Iceborn's own synergy. When taking damage active's CD gets reduced so you can do some damage, attack without getting stagered, regenerating more health.. When not taking hit and so at full health (because the passive allows it) you still gain some benefit : double damage on active. It depends the way you look at it really. However I do agree that it has a low build synergy.
Iceborne is top because the game is cracked, so need lifesteal at ALL times (even if it doesn't work as good as before). Bastion is only bad IF you use the Slam... Don't. Or just use Skarn lantern and use the hold right after the tap (that way, instant shield refill). Discipline is good and if you combine that Cunnig and with Galvanized (you do need some Skarn itenm to give you shields do) THAT is pretty cool. IMO not one surpasses the others which I think was a good design choice (no Meta) so you can mix them around depending on behemoth or mission you play.
Bro discipline was such a confusing omni cell when I first returned to dauntless, I never knew that you had to PARRY a behemoths attack in order to actually get use out of the omnicell
You can't die as quickly with ice born. Other other to require sacrifice and ice born requires no sacrifice and is use as a bonus damage or a way to heal a teammate because you can be interpreted
if u want to know why is ice born is the most popular, its because most players can't manage to play flawlessly all the time, the extra damage gained doesn't make up for the extra damage taken from discipline.
and most players are not playing at the level, which getting hit means a definite one shot, and it just feels much nicer to be unstageable, the extra damage taken is just not appealing.
i use a life steal build with ice born, and at the level I play at, as long as I am lifestealing and not just face tanking EVERYTHING, I can take a decent bit of damage and still be quite healthy.
i realy liked the bastion omnicell, but the problem that i have with it is the point you metioned, about building soo much shield, and having to spend it all for some damage, while if you want to build around having a lot o shield for crits and stuff you cant use the active, its counter intuitive, if the slam that damage based on your shield, but nor spent it, it would be soo good, and if they want to balance it, just increase the cooldown.
Noob question here: How do you actually USE the omnicell (the attack, not the passive)? Just got my first one, I'm on PC w/ Kybd + M. It says in the bindings that it's the same key as the lantern (the V key). What? Do you hold it down, or click twice or what? How does the game know which you want to use, the lantern or the omnicell? Sorry if this is a stupid question...
Btw if no shield sources are used with Bastion then Iceborn does more damage overall lol. Which is kinda sad since you must dodge with Bastion to keep your precious shields
iceborne used to make a player almost invincible before the update when running with discipline cell, but with the omnicells, bastion builds has been more of a clutch than iceborne and feels closer to what iceborne cells used to be
Aight earth bender skarn bastion build for 2,000 shield I'm just saying because power surged skarn weapon and skarn lantern with bastion equals crazy damage
I like all the omni cell. For iceborne i like to use boreus weapon with pangar lantern and walla SubZero and fun to use. For bastion agarus weapons and skarn lantern my hero shield. Discipline i use repeater and just Vash The Stampede. Dont care much for damage just have fun
tenacious is better on bastion. be able to protect your core hp with shields is better than having to lifesteal back up with less dmg to gain more dmg. the extra 2% from ib extra 100hp is useless if you cant keep yourself at full health and since you can take dmg with bastion and still be full health its simply better.
@@badbilly7499 i can keep myself at full health tho, my build i can solo lvl 18 4 star behemoth with lvl 12 weapon without dropping any hp, i use skarn lantern in build, it tanks all the hits
Bastion... BASTION IS NOW WHAT WARPIKES USED TO BE!!!! "Hey, I have now charged all of this meter that gives me benefits aaaaaand... *poof* it is now gone..." I like the idea of it but it is just.... eh, feels just bad to nuke your own buffs for a short time benefit. And even so, there are way to few things that synergize with it... there is only one SPECIFIC weapon, and one specific lantern that works with it, and it is all from the same Behemoth... And the one cell that it synergizes with is... ofcourse Galvanize and that is an anti-synergy in and of itself... RIVETING! I mean, this is why Half-life builds were so freaking popular. It was really one of the few builds that had a streak of synergies. Sure, it wasn't a dynamic synergy, it was a simple of "these benefits are all triggered by the same thing". sort of deal- A cell to keep you at half health A cell to help keep you alive at low health A cell to give you damage at low health A cell to give you attack speed at low health. That's why I personaly liked it, because there was synergy. Now, not saying I don't like Omni-cells, I do think they are... okay. I mean, not really changing a lot other than changing how Iceborne and Discipline works, and make them mutually exclusive. Yes, that is an over-simplification with all the other stuff that happened. But It mostly boils down to having removed the one build that worked well in almost all instances, that was ridicuously well synergized. And PHXL saying that this would make builds more diverse... HAH!!! FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! Now we have 3 builds with only slight alterations. * Iceborne with Tenacity and Tough. * Bastion with Skarn's lantern and weapon. * And Discipline with all the crit-cells out the yazoo. That is IT! We can only have as many builds really as the omni-cells provide. That is how the meta would work with making the one-all-be-all cell that Omni-cells are. A thing that will determine what your build does. Now, I do not want to give PHX to much shit for the Omin-cells. Just saying, do anyone feel that if they really wanted to push out the Omni-cells, the should have launched with way more of them. Minimum 5. They should be less... I mean... eh Iceborne is so meh... Poor damage, and it's survivability is actually worse than it was before. Already started of mentioning Bastion, which I do like, but could be better. And Discipline which... well, discipline is actually a pretty sweet owni-cell only held back by the skill needed to use it and maintain health despite its drawback.
Finally someone who shares my point of view. People were sayin "omg you're just a dumbass that can't buildcraft, this is so much better". I have, or rather had, a lot of different builds that I never saw in youtube. Full tank build, full support build, low life dps build, full attack speed build, etc. Now they completely gutted my support build and full attack speed build, but "OmG sO MuCh VaRiEtY wOw".
Devs are planning to release more omnicells in the future. Especially those like perfect strike and friend forever which do not have any build synergy, as well as the drone perfectly suited for support playstyle. I agree tho Bastion feels like strikers' clap, except you loose tempest form and karma breaker lol
@@andyboston3646 planning means that may or may not be implemented. As of right now, I believe that the amount of builds being cut, do not justify the new features implemented in this update. I hope that you're right but they have to introduce a lot more than just 3 new omnicells. Edit: Also I didn't mention it on the previous comment but lanterns freakin suck now. The only half decent one is Skarn because you couldn't recast until gone, back in the day. Before you could basically have as many lantern uses as you want if you landed a lot of hits, but making them cooldown based is too much of an overall nerf to every other build, that doesn't have skarn lantern.
@@maverickandmerciless9437 Yea, you may not have noticed since it was not in the patch notes, but Shriek lantern was nerfed to 10 seconds from 15 seconds duration. Yea, I also hate the lantern change. True, they deal an impressive amount of damage now. But they are "uninteractive". I personaly like how you lanterns were "advantage" pushers. The more offensive you are, the more offensive power you have. Now we have the timer (I hate long cooldown abilites in almost every game - personal prefference.) Only exception is multiplayer games where high impact abilities need to be baited out before you go all out. etc. etc. PvP mentality. Different playstyle than a strict PvE game. Now you have to use either Aetheric Evasion or Aetheric Atunment to have them feel like a satisfying recharge rate. Purely enjoyable. I would rather the lanterns hit for less and can be fired more - like it was.
Discipline is the best 100% increased dmg taken is to much imo. I just hold 3 stacks till the end of fights to get the 4th. The 100% means ur dead even with a scarn shield with berserker. 50% dmg taken for the 50% critical makes getting 4 stacks rewarding. It honestly feels punishing at times with multiple behomoths to get disciplined
Man, I really want bastion to be better with galvanize-builds :( I currently have one repeater build with it, but I think I'll just go back to discipline because it actually gives me an active that doesn't sabotage my build (and, you know, a truckload of crit damage and chance instead of 500 shield which equates to a whopping 10% crit chance. discipline gives 8% out the gate damnit). I'll just swap off shields as the main focus back onto crit, and use the skarn lantern to utilize galvanize and give myself insurance against getting clapped while disciplined. Sadge though, really hoped I could at least somewhat revive that stoneheart prism build with 5000 shield and 100% crit :'< One thing I don't like about discipline though is the way it feels like a enforced predator. Predator says "don't take damage for 15 seconds to gain bonus damage", discipline says "here's bonus damage, don't get hit or you're dead"
Depending on content the common life steal is either the lifesteal tonic or koshai lantern. In most escalation (not frost) you have a talent tree node which gives you lifesteal based on points put in it. Parasitic also has some lifesteal built in but only while you have delayed damage from a big hit being slowly applied to you
I actually like iceborne a decent bit. While I was making the video I decided to try it and there's some cool things you can do and different playstyles you can partake in. I still believe the way it's active works makes no sense.
I feel the 100% damage increase is too huge of a drawback to make discipline super useful. Especially against more aggressive behemoths and during esca’s. during escalations more often than not will i get a parry off, become disciplined, then get blind sided by a rage tail gnasher and get insta knocked.
You use tough +6 to counter the healing reduction, +3 parasitic for passive lifesteal and then koshai lantern for +15% active lifesteal. You need koshai because parasitic is sometimes just not enough. +6 berserker is also recommended to reduce max health so you activate parasitic more often. So if you really need health recovery on your builds, I would suggest iceborn instead of discipline. Its enough health recovery without other cells and you can take more dmg instead 👍
@@TheRandomASDF I tend to use a combination of koshai + parasitic + cascade for sustain. Seems to work really well if I don't play mindlessly. For mindless play I use the Bastion + Terra Axe build lol Koshai lantern was always my fave because of dash lol
@@xenvakt300995 with disciplined you just need too many cells to have sustain.. Might as well just take iceborn and slap on dmg 😂 Or you are just „built different“ like ohdough and dont need sustain 😂
Heres why, people only have that, i don't even know where to get these other omnicells it is not written anywhere its not in the shop its not anywhere.
To me, the least impressive part of Iceborne is the ice lance. As a sword main right now, the life steal makes me practically unkillable and the stagger resistance is crucial to complete combos for valor. Ive tried the other cells but Iceborne is by far the best for me ATM.
All of the onmicells are cool, but I find myself eating the floor a lot when I use discipline. I am not really of the skill level to make use of it well enough to warrant losing the lifesteal from iceborne.
personally my experience with discipline has been good and bad (but more bad) Ive timed the parry very well multiple times it wouldnt give me a stack of flaming fist but the attack wouldnt hit or it would give me a stack and the attack would hit or it wouldnt give me anything and no dmg taken but I know I hit the parry to me its been inconsistent idk if its cuz im bad (but im not THAT bad at the game) or the omnicell is buggin w me
Yeah idk about you but disciplined seems really shit, especially for me and I’m sure many others. Parrying is way too hard, and Discipline has too many cons for it to be considered good. Iceborne has a more guaranteed increase in damage than discipline as it takes no skill at all, just the right resources.
People probably went for iceborn because it’s easiest to scavenge a build from an old iceborn build. Also discipline is frustrating when you get one banged and it’s gg.
I thought it was just me thinking the Bastion hitbox was awful. I prefer Icebourne over Discipline because it allows me to stay at full health, while regenerating health and it's much easier to interupt with the icelance. Yes Discipline does more damage but it also lowers health regeneration by 50%, it's harder to interupt with the fire fist and it isn't worth the hassle.
I have to agree, Iceborne just isn't for me. Discipline is ok, but also has its problems for example I just don't like the clumsy animation. Its unreliable when timing some interrupts and sometimes I trigger it accidently on certain weapons during a combo and it ruins my run. I love tempest except that for some stupid reason it cant interrupt. Revenant is brand new, but looks pretty good, just wish you could cancel the revenant state to control when you recover life steal or to reenable your tonics.
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Couple of points:
I think the iceborne omnicell's focus is on staying full health. At full health, get more ice lance damage, that's the goal. If you get hit, don't worry, you gain lifesteal and damage reduction. Iceborne doesn't have any draw backs either, unlike discipline. From what I know all good players have the damage > survivability mindset and based on the poll, it seems like a lot of players like the ability to take a hit or five.
Discipline has more damage increases, but you lose health and takes 100% damage when disciplined, which raises the skill floor and skill ceiling. You're just focusing on the skill ceiling because you've got the skill to focus on the ceiling. Newer players are focused on the skill floor.
I don't know much about bastion, seems cool.
Quality video, I like this kind of thought provoking decisions.
Damn you wrote a whole essay
@@guapo5958 It doesn't matter, he has a point xd
100% agree. he is only focusing on damage than survivability.
@@tyson-k3r tbh bastion just better for survival and does more dmg
the only reason i can see for using iceborn in higher difficulty content is on heroic tesca because using a shield build needs a terra weapon. that is it. just use a shield build with bastion for everything else cuz it outdamages and doesn't rely on the behemoth hitting you for your damage
i love how discipline gives repeaters an easy interrupt attack
Discipline is awesome but you need to dodge “A LOT” and Can “NOT” take too much damage or otherwise you will burn through your revives and flasks very fast. I do believe this is why a lot of people voted for Ice borne over Discipline
Exactly my point as well
Like Dough said "High risk, High reward"
Not really, run Koshai lantern on it and you'll be vibing fairly well, sure you'll die sometimes but you won't be burning through stims.
most people are pretty unaware of how the game works though. Bastion is more dmg and more survivability than iceborn simply because of how poorly ib synergy is and how poorly coded it is.
example: IB 1100hp gets hit with an attack doing 700dmg, dmg reduced by 5% is 665 leaving you with 435hp and 25% dmg reduction, get hit by the same attack for 700 dmg, reduced to 524, and dead.
Bastion 1000hp 500shields. hit for 700 take 700 down to 800, take hit for 700 take 700 down to 100, and live.
Even if in the first scenario with IB you life steal 100hp before getting hit again you would still go down because you lose 5% dmg reduction and still end up taking enough dmg to go down. 435hp up to 535, 20% dmg reduction hit for 700 reduced to 560 still dead.
But on top of that, as you life steal back up to full hp you start losing life steal and dmg reduction...why? so dumb and gives weapons with fast low dmg attacks a disadvantage in the situation since instead of doing a huge attack that benefits from the stacks of life steal you do small attacks that lose the stacks of lifesteal as you gain life lol.
Iceborn only starts seeing value when you are getting hit with low dmg attacks but bastion excels in that area too since any attack that doesn't do more than your current amount of shields can then just be "healed" by generating more shields. You would think iceborn would benefit from tenacious especially with the extra 100hp but bastion still benefits more being able to actually protect the core hp instead of having to heal up missing hp with ib to get more value from tenacious. Just an all around bad omnicell but people think its good because they can get tossed around (or not tossed around with ib activation) by an embermane and win because of low dmg taken and life steal. As soon as the content starts becoming more difficult iceborn is kind of bad and the activation is incredibly bad because as dough stated being unstaggerable can be incredibly dangerous. Dont get me wrong bastion has its downfalls and ib can technically be better survivability in very specific cases like literally not knowing how to dodge/not understanding the behemoth fight lol which makes sense why more people picked ib cuz the majority of the playerbase is actually really bad at the game.
TLDR Iceborn is garboooge, poorly designed, coded horribly, and still is less survivability than bastion.
I see people watch these videos and then jump on discipline then wipe constantly.... but then I also see noobs running icebourne throwing lance to initiate like morons instead of using it when they actually need a heal or an interrupt, and then wiping constantly.
Then there's me rocking skarns lantern and bastion carrying a bunch of nabs who think just because somebody on youtube told them it's "mathematically better" they need to rock it instead of playing something they're actually going to enjoy.
Bastion gets least amount of love
Dough: So you have chosen death
Iceborne is the only omnicell you can set and forget. Bastion makes you pay attention to your shields and discipline makes you actively play with its active ability. That's why iceborne is my favorite when I hunt solo, personally.
Howdy, hello my name is Dough, is number one intro
Yes
Yes it rocks and he is wearing socks, they slide him on a ride so he can buy them stonks. Hit it!
yeah i'm still goin with iceborne. i'm content with how much damage i deal, and perma-lifesteal (even if it's low) is nice af
I meann. I use iceborn for the survivability not for damage :^/
i use discipline for the survivability and the damage. lol
@@badbilly7499 but iceborne is very good and easy to use, omnicells like tempest are played more like a challange of: "escalation but i only use tempest". Iceborne is very easy to use, you just throw a lance, get the buffs, and go on with ur day, wait a bit and repeat
I use iceborne for interrupts and damage. It can interrupt the spinny skarn move.
Here's my take -
I have been playing dauntless for 2 years now, and I'd like to think I am fairly good at the game. I have enough skill to get top 100 on solo trials, so I am fully capable of handling the gameplay mechanics and dodging. For a player such as myself, it's quite obvious that discipline is the only *sensible* option in terms of raw DPS, but I can absolutely see when iceborne is viable. Bastion still needs tweaking and I don't really know if it'll be worth using for the time being because its use of the shields is pretty flawed as mentioned in the video, and even though I have never used icebone since the Omnicells dropped I can see how it helps newer players. When I was still learning dodge timings, the original iceborne cell allowed me to make mistakes and survive EVEN if I got hit. I feel like the whole "unstaggerable" thing is kind of sloppy, but it at least doesn't punish you for trying to learn how to dodge. You still have to dodge because you don't have damage reduction at full health to survive an attack, but it definitely gives you a chance to learn with training wheels. Iceborne is bad for players that are good, and great for people still learning the game. BUT if you have a gold crown and use iceborne... bro just use parasitic lol
i use a parasitic +2 and iceborn i mean i'm fairly new but is that a good idea.
@@funbrothers3053 parasitic is the closest thing to the old ice borne, I’d say parasitic is the new best defense cell and it could be used even in place of the new ice borne omnicell if you want to use discipline or tempest
@@Washyourpoptarts okay thanks for the info i'll make sure to try it out.
give Bastion fixed dmg on the slam and put that 1.5 modifier towards the shield, like gain .5 times your shield on activation
Thats a good idea or also adding a reward for booping/staggering with the spear or slam such as increased damage or refunding shields
@@scewt the spear has a reward for in general using it, but something like what the icicle gives on Iceborne needs to be a thing for Bastion's Slam, a dmg boost based on the shield spent or like you said refunding shield with another bonus
"Iceborne does not deserve to have the most ammount of votes" yes it does. Parrying is hard and iceborne is a good survival cell for starters. Not everyone is in the same level of skill. Also, the game is not all about dealing damage.
i agree with you but only because of the same reasoning of people's favourite pokemon being first form starters
The reasons why I think iceborne is lack luster doesn't stem entirely from damage. It's active doesn't work well with the entirety of the kit and the way you increase damage goes against what omnicell is for. Iceborne is to take damage so why would there be an expectation to be full health to use the lance especially when the way you reduce the CD is by taking more damage. It would make more sense if the playstyle was: use lance to be unstaggerable take damage and reduce CD, cast it so you get extra lifesteal, rinse repeat.
@@OhDough but the cell gives you extra life steal with each hit you take, which is supposed to help you top off your health before casting it again. I agree that 60 seconds is a bit too much, but the cell doesn't seem to have a synergy problem to me
@@moonlight2870 It does though this kit is counter intuitive you want damage be at full health but your cool down is pathetic so you need to take damage it's like they want you to do a yo yo effect with your health and take dps on purpose but the game is revolved around constant staggering and stun locking behes. Technically Bastion is a better cell the only issue is it's activation ability which is kinda lame but when you compare ice to bastion as far as how gameplay is designed bastion out perform.
Turns out 9 months was enough time to make it good, it’s a good build revolving around staying at 50% health, paired with rage and another cell is good af for damage and survivability.
I play +6 tough, +3 Parasitic, +6 Tenacious w/ Iceborne because I was dying too often on hesca. I usually never have enough stamina left to dodge so I might as well be tanky and have the lifesteal to maintain my tenacious damage.
Try to integrate skullforge with parasitic +3. seriously no more stamina problems is a blessing and even molten +3 has its uses. With infinite stamina, iceborn and parasitic you have enough defence. You can then leave out tough for more dmg. Pulse + cunning is the best combo I found if you dont like predator like me 👍
I haven't played in a while but didn't he read through the last patch notes and it said that Tenacious is gone now? As I understood you only have the shield effect anymore.
@@fzoid3534 It’s the crit you get from shields that has been removed from the cell. The damage taken overtime and lifesteal remains.
@@TheRandomASDF Thanks! Will definitely give that a go
@@tuyenosborne562 that's parasitic tenacious grants you damage depending on your hp
btw to be honest i think icebord is the best for casual play no draw backs ish and can be used to inturuped
This, for casuals its a no brainer. The others require time for buildmaking or skill
I think all omnicells are good and iceborne is definitely good for playing casually. I'm looking at them on the high end and their overall cohesiveness. Discipline makes the most sense but it's simple since it's just damage. Iceborne and bastion just need some tweaks so they function properly within their own boundaries.
Most of this man's vids is him hating on things but while also telling facts
Iceborn is the easiest one to use. Simple as that. No shield building, no dmg taking debuff and no healing debuff.
My main issue with iceborne is that it promotes bad habit with newer players. Dodging becomes optional when you can get your hp back anyway which hurts them in the long run. Used to be an iceborne player (even before it was an omnicell) then i tried others and never looked back
I can’t hit sh** with the flaming fist and when I do land it doesn’t seem to count I get the Interrupt it just doesn’t count as a stack.🤦🏽♂️
you gotta hit the button right as you pass through the behe. you can't press it too early and obviously not late. for optimal booping, walk backwards like dough in the video
I feel you, it just feels clunky
You obtain flaming fist by using the punch like a dodge, this guy explain more ua-cam.com/video/JWOC1bb_LdA/v-deo.html
I use iceborne cause it keeps me full health with the lifesteal, and also rewards staying full health with a buffed ice lance. Basically it encourages dodging to keep my health max, but even if I get hit I just lifesteal it all back.
As it turns out iceborne is more usefull/fun than I thought. I still think the active should be changed by either making it so the more damage you take the more damage the lance deals or giving it 2 casts. This is based off of the CD reduction not working though so who knows. maybe once it's fixed it'll be a really short CD with the right tank build.
I still think iceborn needs more upfront damage reduction like 20% -30% and the special used to be invincibility and i understand why they changed it but they should at least give a huge damage reduction bonus after you use tap. like 50% at max health. your tap should be the im going in raw moment for 8 sec.
Bastion like you said is counteractive with it use with galvanized. First it needs a buff to shield generation and a max shield capacity. using tap should give you a bonus to make up for the loss in galvanized crit. you are sacrificing both the crit chance and the survivability for a big number damage.
As for discipline i think 100% is bit to big a penalty. i usually get hit by the dumbest things and die and also lose the buff. maybe a 25% extra damage like the amps is ok. Not 100%. the nerf to regeneration is heavy enough.
I do believe every omnicell still needs some fine tuning to really get the kinks out.
Iceborne unstaggerable state is used against you by higher behemoths because you no longer have I-frames after getting hit in a multi-hit setting. Either return it to full invincibility or massively buff defense while unstaggerable. Not to mention the issue of the long CD and not having it shortened when hit. 2 cast stacks per CD does seem like a good idea
Bastion could probably have a couple changes (I get annoyed when my leaps randomly decide they didn't hit a behemoth despite a direct hit) maybe add to it that hitting with the active gives back like half of the consumed shields as a separate buff with no duration? Make it rewarding to generate such massive shields and maintain them. But also a 'miss' could not consume the shields and refund at least half the CD?
Discipline could likely cut back on the 'double damage taken while Disciplined' since sometimes you get a successful parry and still get hit and/or not get the stack you should've gotten
@@craigfunk3453 "Discipline could likely cut back on the 'double damage taken while Disciplined' since sometimes you get a successful parry and still get hit and/or not get the stack you should've gotten"
Man do i have some funny stories to tell you about that counter. getting killed by enrage blast despite countering oh boy and not to mention avenging overdrive countering and getting hit.
Add invisible hitboxes of lasers or attacks that go throw behemoth and that is it buff and life gone.
@@KevinShmelvin hey I have plenty of my own 'parry? Yeah, NO!' Tales. Especially since I willingly walk into heroic escas with discipline since the parry has its uses to defend against some attacks if you find yourself out of stamina
@@craigfunk3453 a whole day i spent trying blaze esca with discipline and its always the silly shit that gets me when at 4 stacks.
I love how I’m watching this a bit later when I lot of things have changed. Anyway, the reason people like Iceborne so much is because of massive health tenacious builds. I run that with the Koshai lantern since you can run the lantern and omnicell now. Just saying you can run a very tanky build and come out with a lot of damage. If anyone is confused I’ll explain
Turns out dauntless actually buffed my build so yeah laughs in immortality
Please hit up my friend I have never seen anyone lay down and sleep on the battlefield as much as him😂😂
Iceborne lets you get lifesteal as a passive and stagger resistance after using it. The only other thing (other than consumables) that gives lifesteal is Koshai`s Bloom, and that is only limited. I personally dont use Iceborne for its shooty ability, i normally use it for the lifesteal.
I think Bastion should deal more damage. Just a bit. The expenditure of all shields makes sense as like a risky move. BTW it takes all shields not just the shields from Bastion so there are ways to basically ALWAYS have a shield.
The biggest reason I can see for people loving Iceborn right now is you can very easily build to be nearly unkillable with very little effort. I've been running it on an thrax axe build with skarn lantern for shields, tenacious, parasite, rage, sturdy, and the cronovore legs with the matching cell. I can happily trade damage with behemoths in escalation and I'll quickly heal all of that damage right back while getting a nice damage buff on top of it. It lets me bully behemoths like thrax while some of my teammates are getting thrown around like Ragdolls if they make a mistake. It's some of the most fun I've had in a while since my favorite way to play is to be overly aggressive to the point of trading damage and just have fun. Discipline requires so much more out of the player to be useful and has a nasty downside if you happen to make a mistake.
Dough can you do Shadow trash- I mean Shadow Drask Trials, it'd be really funny watching you rage
Iceborne is better for a simple reason.
You look super cool when you boop with the lance, and you know the people who saw you thought "damn that was cool"
Discipline is my favorite. I use iceborn when I am not completely sober and my reaction time is slower.
It seems to me that all the Omnicells's passives dont really synergize with their active.
Iceborne: tiny max hp and the lower you get the tankier you become + life steal, but your active forces you to be at max hp in order to benefit.
Bastion: get shields faster than before and get skarn's old UE, but your active it throwing it all out for some damage
Discipline: increase crit chance and dmg by 10% and reduce your healing by 50, but you have to use your active to get the rest of your passive effect to activate which requires you to boop a behemoth perfectly 4 times and once you do that, for 40 seconds you do get increase crit chance, but you also take 100% more damage, meaning you get hit even once and there go all your stacks cause you're eating dirt.
Omnicells have good potential, but they need some fundamental changes to their design. Remember: We lost our tap abilities on our lanterns for these three, and who knows when the next one will show.
Iceborn: Not really for dmg, its for safe booping.
Bastion: Use it right before skarn lantern and you have your shield up within seconds.
Discipline: You can parry any attack, not only the ones you can boop. And you can chose to stay at 3 stacks and use the last one only when the behemoth enrages, aethercharges. Gives you a lot of time to do dmg.
They are situational, yes. But not really without synergy in my opinion 😬
@@TheRandomASDF A fair enough point. Though if you're forced to build for synergy around them, doesnt that defeat the purpose of them allowing you to build however you want?
@@lchassefang I think the purpose of omnicells is the encouragement of certain builds/playstyles or at least the use of certain cells with them.
May feel limiting now with only 3, but hopefully not for long 😬
I don't feel like there is anything wrong with Iceborn's own synergy.
When taking damage active's CD gets reduced so you can do some damage, attack without getting stagered, regenerating more health..
When not taking hit and so at full health (because the passive allows it) you still gain some benefit : double damage on active.
It depends the way you look at it really. However I do agree that it has a low build synergy.
To the ppl who play Cold War zombies, this is like them saying ring of fire is better than frenzy guard
yeah, still going for iceborne, thanks
Iceborne is top because the game is cracked, so need lifesteal at ALL times (even if it doesn't work as good as before).
Bastion is only bad IF you use the Slam... Don't. Or just use Skarn lantern and use the hold right after the tap (that way, instant shield refill).
Discipline is good and if you combine that Cunnig and with Galvanized (you do need some Skarn itenm to give you shields do) THAT is pretty cool.
IMO not one surpasses the others which I think was a good design choice (no Meta) so you can mix them around depending on behemoth or mission you play.
I know they was going for something new, but im not feeling the new cell and omnicells , I’ll prolly eventually get used to it
Bro discipline was such a confusing omni cell when I first returned to dauntless, I never knew that you had to PARRY a behemoths attack in order to actually get use out of the omnicell
Parrying is in the omnicell description...
nice flare , i love him
@ohDough what is that terra war pike build
You can't die as quickly with ice born. Other other to require sacrifice and ice born requires no sacrifice and is use as a bonus damage or a way to heal a teammate because you can be interpreted
so im on bastion omnicell side because if u partner it up with skarn defiance and you might not die at all
if u want to know why is ice born is the most popular, its because most players can't manage to play flawlessly all the time, the extra damage gained doesn't make up for the extra damage taken from discipline.
and most players are not playing at the level, which getting hit means a definite one shot, and it just feels much nicer to be unstageable, the extra damage taken is just not appealing.
i use a life steal build with ice born, and at the level I play at, as long as I am lifestealing and not just face tanking EVERYTHING, I can take a decent bit of damage and still be quite healthy.
i realy liked the bastion omnicell, but the problem that i have with it is the point you metioned, about building soo much shield, and having to spend it all for some damage, while if you want to build around having a lot o shield for crits and stuff you cant use the active, its counter intuitive, if the slam that damage based on your shield, but nor spent it, it would be soo good, and if they want to balance it, just increase the cooldown.
well i use iceborne omni ceuse for the life steal it help for me so much and i dont have to worry for wound conditions
Thanks, finally know where is Discipline lol
seen you using the revive ability, been searching for it everywhere, sugestion?
revive ability is an agarus legendary weapon from terra escalation 10-50. Break agarus's vine arms (and other body parts) to make agarus weapons
@@OhDough thanks for the answer, time to grind 😂
Please tell me witch ability is this ? 5:19
can i know what's your build here 7:09
Noob question here: How do you actually USE the omnicell (the attack, not the passive)? Just got my first one, I'm on PC w/ Kybd + M. It says in the bindings that it's the same key as the lantern (the V key). What? Do you hold it down, or click twice or what? How does the game know which you want to use, the lantern or the omnicell? Sorry if this is a stupid question...
Cons: a bunch of non synergistic stats and lackluster utility.
Pros: *ice lance go YEET*
1 year later. Ice is all I see in lobbies
Btw if no shield sources are used with Bastion then Iceborn does more damage overall lol. Which is kinda sad since you must dodge with Bastion to keep your precious shields
i use a chainblade iceborne build bc with the new patch chainblades have next to no range and this helps
iceborne used to make a player almost invincible before the update when running with discipline cell, but with the omnicells, bastion builds has been more of a clutch than iceborne and feels closer to what iceborne cells used to be
I just started and Discipline looks good. Too bad I have to wait 3 weeks to get it.
Hunger sword and discipline is a good combo
Mage guide for dauntless equals this video
mage guide = a super secret build I haven't made a video for yet
Aight earth bender skarn bastion build for 2,000 shield I'm just saying because power surged skarn weapon and skarn lantern with bastion equals crazy damage
I like all the omni cell. For iceborne i like to use boreus weapon with pangar lantern and walla SubZero and fun to use. For bastion agarus weapons and skarn lantern my hero shield. Discipline i use repeater and just Vash The Stampede. Dont care much for damage just have fun
Is revenant better than discipline? I'm returning today. Away since Dec 2020
I use iceborne on tenacious build and discipline on dps builds
tenacious is better on bastion. be able to protect your core hp with shields is better than having to lifesteal back up with less dmg to gain more dmg. the extra 2% from ib extra 100hp is useless if you cant keep yourself at full health and since you can take dmg with bastion and still be full health its simply better.
@@badbilly7499 the build i use uses 6 galvanised and thats the reason i dont use bastion, cause it takes away your shield
@@badbilly7499 i can keep myself at full health tho, my build i can solo lvl 18 4 star behemoth with lvl 12 weapon without dropping any hp, i use skarn lantern in build, it tanks all the hits
Bastion... BASTION IS NOW WHAT WARPIKES USED TO BE!!!! "Hey, I have now charged all of this meter that gives me benefits aaaaaand... *poof* it is now gone..."
I like the idea of it but it is just.... eh, feels just bad to nuke your own buffs for a short time benefit.
And even so, there are way to few things that synergize with it... there is only one SPECIFIC weapon, and one specific lantern that works with it, and it is all from the same Behemoth...
And the one cell that it synergizes with is... ofcourse Galvanize and that is an anti-synergy in and of itself...
RIVETING!
I mean, this is why Half-life builds were so freaking popular.
It was really one of the few builds that had a streak of synergies. Sure, it wasn't a dynamic synergy, it was a simple of "these benefits are all triggered by the same thing". sort of deal-
A cell to keep you at half health
A cell to help keep you alive at low health
A cell to give you damage at low health
A cell to give you attack speed at low health.
That's why I personaly liked it, because there was synergy.
Now, not saying I don't like Omni-cells, I do think they are... okay. I mean, not really changing a lot other than changing how Iceborne and Discipline works, and make them mutually exclusive.
Yes, that is an over-simplification with all the other stuff that happened. But It mostly boils down to having removed the one build that worked well in almost all instances, that was ridicuously well synergized.
And PHXL saying that this would make builds more diverse...
HAH!!!
FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!
Now we have 3 builds with only slight alterations.
* Iceborne with Tenacity and Tough.
* Bastion with Skarn's lantern and weapon.
* And Discipline with all the crit-cells out the yazoo.
That
is
IT!
We can only have as many builds really as the omni-cells provide. That is how the meta would work with making the one-all-be-all cell that Omni-cells are.
A thing that will determine what your build does.
Now, I do not want to give PHX to much shit for the Omin-cells.
Just saying, do anyone feel that if they really wanted to push out the Omni-cells, the should have launched with way more of them. Minimum 5.
They should be less... I mean... eh
Iceborne is so meh... Poor damage, and it's survivability is actually worse than it was before.
Already started of mentioning Bastion, which I do like, but could be better.
And Discipline which... well, discipline is actually a pretty sweet owni-cell only held back by the skill needed to use it and maintain health despite its drawback.
Finally someone who shares my point of view. People were sayin "omg you're just a dumbass that can't buildcraft, this is so much better". I have, or rather had, a lot of different builds that I never saw in youtube. Full tank build, full support build, low life dps build, full attack speed build, etc. Now they completely gutted my support build and full attack speed build, but "OmG sO MuCh VaRiEtY wOw".
Devs are planning to release more omnicells in the future. Especially those like perfect strike and friend forever which do not have any build synergy, as well as the drone perfectly suited for support playstyle.
I agree tho Bastion feels like strikers' clap, except you loose tempest form and karma breaker lol
@@andyboston3646 planning means that may or may not be implemented. As of right now, I believe that the amount of builds being cut, do not justify the new features implemented in this update. I hope that you're right but they have to introduce a lot more than just 3 new omnicells.
Edit: Also I didn't mention it on the previous comment but lanterns freakin suck now. The only half decent one is Skarn because you couldn't recast until gone, back in the day. Before you could basically have as many lantern uses as you want if you landed a lot of hits, but making them cooldown based is too much of an overall nerf to every other build, that doesn't have skarn lantern.
@@maverickandmerciless9437 Yea, you may not have noticed since it was not in the patch notes, but Shriek lantern was nerfed to 10 seconds from 15 seconds duration.
Yea, I also hate the lantern change.
True, they deal an impressive amount of damage now. But they are "uninteractive".
I personaly like how you lanterns were "advantage" pushers. The more offensive you are, the more offensive power you have.
Now we have the timer (I hate long cooldown abilites in almost every game - personal prefference.)
Only exception is multiplayer games where high impact abilities need to be baited out before you go all out. etc. etc. PvP mentality.
Different playstyle than a strict PvE game.
Now you have to use either Aetheric Evasion or Aetheric Atunment to have them feel like a satisfying recharge rate.
Purely enjoyable.
I would rather the lanterns hit for less and can be fired more - like it was.
Discipline is the best 100% increased dmg taken is to much imo. I just hold 3 stacks till the end of fights to get the 4th. The 100% means ur dead even with a scarn shield with berserker. 50% dmg taken for the 50% critical makes getting 4 stacks rewarding. It honestly feels punishing at times with multiple behomoths to get disciplined
So what happend to all owr cells that we had of them? They just gone whit nothing in return?
Just 1 more ability to halve the damage recieved in the duration would make it world it, atleast i think so.
Man, I really want bastion to be better with galvanize-builds :( I currently have one repeater build with it, but I think I'll just go back to discipline because it actually gives me an active that doesn't sabotage my build (and, you know, a truckload of crit damage and chance instead of 500 shield which equates to a whopping 10% crit chance. discipline gives 8% out the gate damnit). I'll just swap off shields as the main focus back onto crit, and use the skarn lantern to utilize galvanize and give myself insurance against getting clapped while disciplined. Sadge though, really hoped I could at least somewhat revive that stoneheart prism build with 5000 shield and 100% crit :'<
One thing I don't like about discipline though is the way it feels like a enforced predator. Predator says "don't take damage for 15 seconds to gain bonus damage", discipline says "here's bonus damage, don't get hit or you're dead"
That and many people only have iceborn🤔 but its a handy runner weapon
The funny thing about this is that I used iceborn then the votes came out but now I only used bastion
I dont understand how to activate the omnicell, because when i am playing the option to activate it (press L1) doesnt pop up xd
How you still get life steal with the displine on?
Depending on content the common life steal is either the lifesteal tonic or koshai lantern. In most escalation (not frost) you have a talent tree node which gives you lifesteal based on points put in it. Parasitic also has some lifesteal built in but only while you have delayed damage from a big hit being slowly applied to you
I can't see my discipline getting stacked on switch is it a glitch or am I playing wrong?
Dough for the axe how do you stop resolve
I just wanted to ask how do you get so much merits
Used your code a few days ago 😤
Many thanks!
Iceborne is actually good in tank builds
I actually like iceborne a decent bit. While I was making the video I decided to try it and there's some cool things you can do and different playstyles you can partake in. I still believe the way it's active works makes no sense.
agreed, though for me, I feel like it kinda lets you just focus on cell, armor, and weapon damage, without needing to worry about survivability.
I feel the 100% damage increase is too huge of a drawback to make discipline super useful. Especially against more aggressive behemoths and during esca’s. during escalations more often than not will i get a parry off, become disciplined, then get blind sided by a rage tail gnasher and get insta knocked.
Iceborn is good for people who aren't as good at dodging and use faster weapons like chain blades
I have relatively good stuff but I’m garbage at the game and I think ice born is the best because you don’t have do dodge like at all
What about Tempest and Revenant??
The only reason why I pick iceborne is because of that saucy life steal
Wait a minute...
I got discipline omnicell from the middleman
🪦 discipline
In the discipline build, how are you recovering health?
escalations often have talent trees that give you passive lifesteal
@@OhDough oh from the escas! I've wondered about this for a looooong time! Thanks a ton for your reply :D
You use tough +6 to counter the healing reduction, +3 parasitic for passive lifesteal and then koshai lantern for +15% active lifesteal. You need koshai because parasitic is sometimes just not enough. +6 berserker is also recommended to reduce max health so you activate parasitic more often.
So if you really need health recovery on your builds, I would suggest iceborn instead of discipline. Its enough health recovery without other cells and you can take more dmg instead 👍
@@TheRandomASDF I tend to use a combination of koshai + parasitic + cascade for sustain. Seems to work really well if I don't play mindlessly.
For mindless play I use the Bastion + Terra Axe build lol
Koshai lantern was always my fave because of dash lol
@@xenvakt300995 with disciplined you just need too many cells to have sustain.. Might as well just take iceborn and slap on dmg 😂
Or you are just „built different“ like ohdough and dont need sustain 😂
Heres why, people only have that, i don't even know where to get these other omnicells it is not written anywhere its not in the shop its not anywhere.
my bastion not open, in slayer path i ve open it, may someone help why?
how do i unlock discipline?all i have is iceborn, bastion and tempest
trials store
I've been playing for 4 hours and cannot get the limbs of the frostborn skarn for iceborn someone help
To me, the least impressive part of Iceborne is the ice lance. As a sword main right now, the life steal makes me practically unkillable and the stagger resistance is crucial to complete combos for valor. Ive tried the other cells but Iceborne is by far the best for me ATM.
All of the onmicells are cool, but I find myself eating the floor a lot when I use discipline. I am not really of the skill level to make use of it well enough to warrant losing the lifesteal from iceborne.
How TH was he regening hp when he was using discipline? I didn't see no parasitic active?
Passive lifesteal in esca
Lmao i did not expect to see you having content other than apex
personally my experience with discipline has been good and bad (but more bad) Ive timed the parry very well multiple times it wouldnt give me a stack of flaming fist but the attack wouldnt hit or it would give me a stack and the attack would hit or it wouldnt give me anything and no dmg taken but I know I hit the parry to me its been inconsistent idk if its cuz im bad (but im not THAT bad at the game) or the omnicell is buggin w me
Kinda amped for the next omnicells.
Yeah idk about you but disciplined seems really shit, especially for me and I’m sure many others. Parrying is way too hard, and Discipline has too many cons for it to be considered good. Iceborne has a more guaranteed increase in damage than discipline as it takes no skill at all, just the right resources.
how do manage to make bastion
what about Tempest?
idek where to get half of the omni cells
People probably went for iceborn because it’s easiest to scavenge a build from an old iceborn build. Also discipline is frustrating when you get one banged and it’s gg.
Most people like iceborne more cause its like the only one they have.
I thought it was just me thinking the Bastion hitbox was awful.
I prefer Icebourne over Discipline because it allows me to stay at full health, while regenerating health and it's much easier to interupt with the icelance.
Yes Discipline does more damage but it also lowers health regeneration by 50%, it's harder to interupt with the fire fist and it isn't worth the hassle.
Iceborn for casual players
Bastion if you want to have fun
Discipline if you cracked
im acctually on the bastion side
My iceborne was able to do 6k+ dmg this is possible with the exotic armor you find in paradox planes
The Timeweave armour?
Nah but like the unkillable build by mr trails is so insane in esca
I dont know how to raise stacks for the discipline
Activate it right before getting hit so you "dodge" and puch back to gain stacks.
I have to agree, Iceborne just isn't for me. Discipline is ok, but also has its problems for example I just don't like the clumsy animation. Its unreliable when timing some interrupts and sometimes I trigger it accidently on certain weapons during a combo and it ruins my run. I love tempest except that for some stupid reason it cant interrupt. Revenant is brand new, but looks pretty good, just wish you could cancel the revenant state to control when you recover life steal or to reenable your tonics.