V10 BMW M5 Touring Running Costs - How Much?!
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2022
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At the start of 2022, we took a massive plunge by buying an E61 BMW M5 Touring - notoriously one of the most unreliable performance cars ever made! After three months of ownership, Mike Fernie has added up all the numbers to reveal just how much it has cost to run our 8,00rpm V10 estate car. It hasn't been cheap...
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I know why it cost so much , it's because the global elitists only want to drive it for themselves. The only people that can afford this Global crisis that they created is they themselves
Some say… he can feel it when your rear suspension is a mere 10mm lower than the factory setting.
I know, it's crazy he could sense that just from driving it for a few hours... the man's not human...
This was the key takeaway for me… remarkable guy! That is talent.
Of course, he has a built-in altimeter.
LEGO Space ✌🏻🚀
It crazy he could feel it.
Finally a UA-cam channel that fully discloses costs and discounts from colabs etc. So many channels just "leave a link in the description" without making people aware of what those companies are doing for free at a huge cost/loss to them
Aim is to keep you guys in the loop as much as possible 👍
check out AutoVlog too, search videos for costs.
the channel is selling you the audience to the advertisers
@@popefang yawn
Let's be clear: doing work for a UA-cam channel with _over 2 MILLION subscribers_ is an _investment._ Especially when those subscribers correlate so closely with your target market. Those other entities view this as quid pro quo - you'd have to hear from them about how much interest/sales conversion they saw after the episodes aired to understand the full picture.
I remember my E60 M5 being epic. It's ability to demolish a full tank of V-Power in comfortably under 100 miles was a speciality. They're a proper car. No doubt.
Genuinely appreciate the two values in the breakdown. It's obvious that channels like this can make the car work because of the deals and agreements you can make but it's fascinating to know what that actually works out as. Kudos!
Well if the last video didnt make it obvious enough, this is the 100% confirmation that the M5 will be getting a manual swap, and Id agree that its the best thing you could do to this car!!
Absolutely criminal they wasted the manuals on the US spec cars. Utterly insane.
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@@stotheh even in this time of this v10 many people (speak for Germany), mostly who buy these cars new! Say , why buying something slow, old Tec and uncomfortable as a manual. Why do manuals even exists?!
The amount of new buyers wich are willingly buy these type of cars with a manual seems untterly lower than in the us.
@@stotheh wasted?? They definitely got driven harder in the us than on any English road.
didnt he say in another video that they were planning on doing that?
My M5 V10 saloon cost me last year around £650 ( insurance , 6 months tax , mot )
Petrol for spring/summer around £1500 as only use for weekends every 2 to 3.
Preventative Maintenance = injectors..£630 fitted
That’s was last year not to bad. 😎👍🇬🇧
Seems pretty reasonable for a weekend car. You wouldn’t get prices like that on one of those in Ireland. €1890 to €2300 on tax alone.
Mine would've cost me £7k in repairs and consumables in 18 months of ownership. Fuel gauge, clutch + gearbox power unit, VANOS, front discs. Get a warranty.
@@raypang1981 not worth it as to expensive plus the car has nearly 92000 miles , don’t use it enough either.
@@groupb5420 Problem is if something does go (and they tend to do so without much warning) then that's effectively the car written off.
@@raypang1981 if maintained properly this is a very unlikely event. I have had mine since new and have had throttle actuator and fuel pump go out. Every other expensive issue has been preventative or wear items (tires, clutch). I have the manual trans so don’t have to deal with SMG costs. My clutch went out at 94k miles and was very gradual. I’ve never been stranded by the car.
16:25 Where he actually starts to answer the question posed by the video's title
Fun fact: 11:51 Those spark plugs for that V10 are exactly the same ones that are used in the smart fortwo 450 and smart roadster 452 with the 698cc 3-cylinder engine (NGK LKR8A)
I really want to give a shout out to the camera men/women doing the videography/photography. As a (still) photographer myself, you're doing a fantastic job ya'll and I'm really enjoying it!
Shiba LOWEST PRICE OF THE MARKET SHIBI long term
I have to agree, their videography is top notch and makes for such entertaining and engaging videos.
Shout out to Lucy! Brilliant videographer.
Would be interesting to see back to back dyno of old plugs vs new.
I'm not buying my 70 year old dad a bollock trimmer for father's day 😄😄😄😄
Hey Dad mum says you've got out of control bollock hairs. Happy Fathers day!
@@ivorproblem1332 😄😄
I'm so pleased you gave the real prices of what's been done, it all means nothing to the man in the street without a comparison. Great vid, entertaining and educational, just. Thanks.
What ever happened to that crazy narrow V-10 from that small company?
I kind of want to see prohress on the Connaught Miata as well
@@S85B50Engine YES! Thank you I couldn't remember what it was called.
That was just a tease from Drivetribe to dupe viewers into watching further videos. There is no actual V10 Miata project in the works.
The V10 MX-5 is still in development, we are having crankshaft machining issues still. My aim is to make the next update being one with a running engine. The car is restored and ready for the engine to go in 👍
@@HansDelbruck53 definitely not true 🙂
£18,594.58 Saved you 20 minutes
That’s more than some peoples yearly wage
@@alecbraun6272 it’s an M5
@@alecbraun6272think of how much the car was when it came out, u can buy a used Audi R8 for like 30 grand but you have to remember that the car was 100k plus when it came out, expect expensive maintenance
The knowledge by Steve is unreal! I took my E46 to him earlier in the year and they are great!
I have enjoyed living vicariously through these videos! Thank you!.
Clarkson must love driving this M5, I still remember his iconic review 😂
That review is the reason i bought one, fell in love with the car after that vid
A fascinating video, nice one. I wouldnt have ever thought i would be so interested in a 7k service of a beamer but your man is really engaging and super knowledgable. Nice one cheers
Another great and honest video on a truly wonderful, if expensive, car. There's just something about the lines of the V10 M5 Touring and the way it sits on it's wheels that just looks right. Maximum points to Steve (Mr Vanos) is there anything about these cars that he doesn't know ? I doubt it.
Epic content, I truly enjoyed Mr. Vanos explanations 👍🏼
Love these videos. Watching masters at their job is wonderfull!
Mr Vanos is the V10 wizard 👌
Makes my W8 Passat sound like an absolute bargain to run, admittedly I haven't worked out fuel costs. I'd rather not know.
Love a W8. A rare beast indeed.
Yeah, don't do it mate lolol
DIY oil, diff and spark plug changes are easy maintenance and would save you soooo much money. Rod bearings should also be included in long term and not yearly running costs. All in all it’s really not that bad except for gas prices lol.
£1K per month just for petrol. Wow.
Before watching video I thought that i would be able to afford running one of these (high powered estates) but when actual numbers are given, then I realise that I would have to take a loan out for running one of these 😁, so thanks for transparency!!!
If you have to ask how much then you can’t afford it. I had an E90 M3 that I loved wholeheartedly. In the 30 months I owned it it cost me >£20k in depreciation, fuel, serving and insurance. Worth every penny to me though!
Great video, really enjoyed it.
So basically if Vanos etc is already done. It will cost you roughly 600 bucks to service and run it. MOT/tax/insurance is equivalent to any other modern car that you run. Pretty reasonable.
The total Johnny Punter price is twice what my car cost when I bought it, but that isn't what surprised me most. What amazes me is that the 6-month road tax is equivalent to 2-months of financing payments of my car.
Video production and actual video content/delivery has gotten so much better, loving this Drivetribe! Keep it up Mike 😃
Thanks Jonathan, our whole aim over the past 12 months has been to step our game up and the production guys have taken things to a new level imo. Onwards and upwards!
the fact that Ben could tell the rear suspension was 10mm too low.... genius
With a bill of £19k, technically an insurance company would write that car off 🤣
They did didn't they because of the fire and smoke damage making this a cat C or N or something
I'd consider it a restoration on what is definitely a future (current) classic. The ongoing annual costs are pretty reasonable.
Great Video and very interesting costs of running !! I thought the WRX was expensive to run and I do all the work myself :)
Single Number plate lamp fail on a multi lamp system is a Minor only these days "Changed in the Manual a few months back" Think all your cars and videos are a great watch and just thought you'd like to keep things accurate!! Thanks Craig
Also on a side note The E39 M5 i work on has a "Life Time Do Not Change" on the Manuel gearbox drain plug!! I've fitted a couple of clutch kits to the car but still has the factory oil ??
I never thought I'd watch a video about an E61 V10 M5 and relate...but I too, in my E60 520D M-Sport have a "Number plate light left failure" warning at the moment, I feel you man! Haha
Great video and M5 content. Thank You
Near restoration
Another excellent video... makes me appreciate my car a bit more, given that I’ve had a few bills on it over the 3 years I’ve had it! Great to see the transparency too and the total cost for what you’ve done to it... but... I’d love to know your ‘smiles per gallon’ numbers, they must be off the chart!!
19,000 pounds, that's insane. Makes me feel really lucky with my LSA-powered Chevy and 611 HP. The parts cost peanuts and they're dead simple being a crate engine for marine applications.
The manual is 6-speed while the SMG III is 7 and better suited to the high revving. I would prefer 8 and would be interested in an 8-speed DCT but that is what the M3 S65 is for.
I'm in total agreement with Stuart from Munich Legends: 'The manual does not suit the S85'
I like the fact it starts in D with economy, engine and licence protection in mind.
I love it that a pull on a paddle or the shifter goes straight to drivers gear choice, when it will still change to a more aggressive program BUT not let it over rev or stall.
It is just more flexible giving you everything from driving grandma to bringing a smile to your face.
And another thing a lot of people in the BMW car club have changed to Esso Supreme as it is still 100% petrol.
My old Falcon Ute is approaching 500ks and she never uses a drop of oil... BEST car I've ever owned, been saying I'll buy new one when she dies but it looks like she's going to go right round the clock at this rate.
Still... An M5 Touring would be a nice thing to have in the spot next to the Falcon.
I think this is one of those cars that you just should not buy if you're worried at all about maintenance costs. Lots of more practical, less expensive, fun options out there. That being I absolutely love this m5 wagon. It's a dream car for sure.
You guys should have thrown in a clip of May shouting standard! When Fernie had him drop the rear end
Really like the idea of doing costings as well
It's gonna be getting the manual box installed!
How can you not like this video... nicely done !
A video for people who really don't understand ANYTHING about cars - how can you make such a long video on changing oil and spark plugs?!?! Oh, and the massive task of changing a bulb....dear Lord!
Can't wait to see that manual swap you teased and progress on the Connaught VR10 Miata
Still remember the day I picked up my E60 M5. BMW had put a full tank in it. On the same day I also had to fill it up another 2 times. Boy oh boy could it drink.
🤣🤣I did the very same thing in my E36 M3. Best money I’ve ever spent
Haha I remember my V10 M6 drank £50 of fuel in just slightly over 100 miles the first day I picked it up. Amazing fun though
Very refreshing getting the skinny on the UA-camr freebie/savings. Wicked car. Probably should've kept the MG though....
That e61 loom issue, done both of mine, if it hasn’t been done, unless you never open the boot it will need it. What goes, reversing light, radio, washer hose and goes every where you get the idea.
Plus the alarm module sits under the rear roof spoiler so if the alarm is starting to misbehave then there's another fun job. The only BMW I have owned was a 1972 BMW 2000 Touring and that was such a cool car.
1:09 the music sux
I drive a TDi Alfa Sportwagon. Fast, comfortable, well equipped and does 1200km on a tank of fuel.
Love your work 👍
You mean JTD?
It was clearly this dude that drilled that hole in the undertray you're slagging off 😂
“I before E, except after C”
Weird to include the paint and detailing... but you should include rod bearings every 60k, and there'll be bills for the SMG at some point.
The cost is staggering. BUT if you want to drive a high performance, luxury estate car you can't expect anything else.
You can own and maintain a BMW for a lot less money, I only spend a few hundred quid a year on maintaing mine but. it is only a 3.0 litre diesel touring
Exactly. But it is UA-cam and the people that love to knock BMWs aren't long-term owners. Just short-term buck passing skin flints.
Manual E61 M5... so excited for this!
You're only 28 holy moly!
I was looking for this comment 😂
well you just shatterd my dreams of owning one of the best all rounder cars. thanks
I am sure you have had some meals in this car, you may as well add that plus the portion of mortgage allocated to your driveway/garage where this thing was parked. Lol
Auto tech from USA . All modern cars in US. recommendation spark plug change. 100,000 miles. Spark plugs is double platinum or iridium spark plugs. I have 47 years experience working on cars and trucks. Back in the 70s change spark plugs every 12,000 miles they were a copper core spark plugs
IIRC, I've inherited a random CD in every used car I bought.
and in BMWs it takes a technician and a laptop to retrieve it. You feel so happy you put your last CD in and it is trapped for the next owner.
Road tax on this car in Republic of Ireland (South) is almost 3k! Ye have it lucky lads!
This engine was an epic highway km eater. I ve been doing 850 km trips and back in 24 hours with no tiredness issues. I regret selling it with only 35k miles . Throttle actuators was one common problem, had very sensitive electronics with frequent false errors, but man that sound...
I think that if BMW provided a 4 wheel drive version of it , I would buy exactly that V10 without thinking a single second.
@@magicgeorgios nope and was not available
Wow your insurance is pricey Mike! I pay about £400 for my M6 (business mileage included @10k per year) and the tax is about £360 per year (Feb 2006 reg).
I've done about 7k miles in 2 years in mine and so I use it a lot less than you, and I've yet to hit 280 out of a tank! I often get about 130-150 miles, but I mostly enjoy the car and do short trips, so they is about right.
The rod bearings cost me about £1600 to do at BMR and mine is standard, so no intakes or exhaust mods and I won't be respraying, so they saves quite a bit of your estimate too.
Servicing is very expensive though, with both dealers and specialists charging about £300 for oil changes and £750 for oil and spark plugs. I'm not convinced that plugs need changing every 7k miles thigh, BMW reckon 45k intervals, so half that and you should be fine.
These ARE expensive cars to run if you use them daily, but much of the cost is optional (cosmetic or mods) and if the mileages is low, the cost will be lower too.
he did 7k miles in 3 months...
@@bobmarley2140 yeah I know, as I say I've done that in 2 years! I wouldn't be using it that much unless I have a oil well in my back garden, his annual mileage would be 28k if he keeps this up, which is about £12k in petrol alone!!
Stunning engineering ! Wouldn't have one given tbh.
Happier with my '09 Audi Q5 3.0 TDI Quatro that I paid AUD$17K for about 4 years ago. Far more economical to run and a nice car to drive!
Well i hope your name is still Mike and this was a fantastic Video !! 😁😁👍👍
It's a supercar estate. A Pagani Zonda service is around £10K I think, stand to be corrected. As for the paint, detail and PPF, a fool and their money are soon parted, especially on 2007 car.
I was thinking the same. I’d be all for paint correction and ceramic coating but that could be had for under a grand
@@Quattro_Joe He is trying to drum up easy business for his mates who detailed his car for free - that's how UA-camrs seem to exist.
@@robi4387 I get that. But the prices he quoting are just a bit nuts
Am watching Drivetribe from Kenya, and I can't be more happier and proud to see Mike wearing a Kenyan flag bracelet.
He’s part Kenyan bro 🇰🇪✌🏽
And in comparison I bought a brand new Skoda Octavia 1.5 tsi 1st edition brand new but pre registered for £17995.00 ran it for 15 months and 8000.00 miles and virtually got same amount back when I sold it to Skoda 😄
My F30 loves to bring the cruse control warning light on if you spend too long in reverse , I have no idea why ! Just turn off the car and back on and its fine .
Check the flywheel sensor
IRN-BRU plug 😂 that’s amazing
This guy is every mechanics worst nightmare, the "while you're here can you look at this" after the mechanic has done the first job lol
Manual stick incoming!! 😁 Darragh is a top guy 👍🏼
The number plate light would only be a minor defect since 2018.
1 is still working.
I adore the M5, and the estate is beautiful, but man alive... I couldn't afford the fuel alone... 🙈
If its eating platinum plugs like that, you should try the ruthenium plugs from NGK.
ignore the miles, it only takes around 6 months for oil to break down. Plasticicers etc and the volatile elements of the oil start to break down. Even if u dont drive it. Thats a fact. Ignore mileage unless you are doing massive miles.
Used to love car's but these day's all car's are extremely expensive, what a time to be alive
Every time that V10 does a revolution, a tear falls from an eco maniac's eye.
I miss my M5 every day, it was a low klm car in perfect condition and I should never have sold it. I have been looking to get another one but the ones out there for sale are not great example's.
That insurance quote…..ouch!
I knew fuel wouldn’t be bad, but the detail and PPF costs….sweet Jesus.
in the next episode: SMG out, manual in. :) Please show all the details, as it is very rare to see E60 M5 conversions. So far I have seen 3 and 2 of those conversions were done my them.
7000 miles In 3 months is quite a lot. You drove that thing further in 3 months than I drove my Mazda 3 since I bought it in early 2020 :D. Covid did really, really strange things to average milages. That being said, had I driven 7000 miles, I would have needed about 1350€ worth of petrol at current price level in Germany. Well I suppose, the Beamer really is thirsty :D
MrVanos is such cool/chilled guy
This one is for anyone with BMW knowledge. My f30 318i has a sos call failing that is annoying since it won’t allow us to see how much fuel is there or mileage etc. It goes away sometimes but always returns. What should I do?
Buy an Audi!
@@garycampbell7891 That made me chuckle.
I know someone with a 5 series had this same fault. Turned out to be a control box in the boot, can't remember exactly what but wasn't cheap but they did go to bmw for it
It sounds like the TCU unit. Get it diagnosed by an indy with ISTA-D to confirm. TCUs can be repaired by MURA CAR ACCESSORIES in Romania. DHL there and back all for less than £200 but prices have gone up a bit.
Soooooo sick that BMW has made a V10 family car 🔥🔥
Audi did too except theirs didn't have a habit of blowing up
So without the long term paint and PPF, it comes out to £1.11 per mile, before depreciation. That's insane. If you add in the long term maintenance, it comes out to £2.56 per mile over the 7k miles.
Worth every penny (of yours). 😎
It confirms the saying "nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW"
'RECEIPT'. Triggered by the thumbnail!
Sounds like running any other high performance Auto Sounds like my Firearm/photography collection.
Mr Vanos is a top guy!
Er....other costs not included.
Tyres? They've got to be a couple of hundred per corner and I bet it get's through a set every 10k miles.
Depreciation? Or maybe 'appreciation'? I would expect a 2007 BMW estate would be on a downward price spiral but maybe there is a rarity value to this model that might make it gain value?
And also, considering the amount of use it gets, there must be a cleaning bill, assuming you don't just go out with a bucket and sponge yourself.
Guessing he just hasn't had to replace the tyres since this is a "what I've actually spent" number but probably £1,000 for a decent set. 7k miles mean the rears must be due soon though if he hasn't done them, considering they've got 2 tonnes and 500hp trying to wreck them. Car value I'd imagine hasn't changed enough to note. Cleaning isn't something most people factor into car costs, but you could probably count the detail he's included...just spread that out over about 50 years to make it more realistic for a non-UA-cam car 😄
No it that amount wasnt "slowly" building up :) Seemed pretty fast to me :)
You need to shop around!!!!!
How much will the new titanium exhaust cost?
£0.42 per mile in petrol?? That’s crazy
Mine was 48p/mi in 2021 and prices have gone up
For anyone with common sense, they should be aware that it’ll be a heavy cost to drive around in a older BMW with a V10.
For anyone that’s able to afford it, they’ll definitely have loads of fun!