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I'm not writing this to be mean, but I think you are suffering from reverse Dunning Kruger effect. Dunning Kruger is used to describe how people tend to overestimate their skill at a task, but in your case as a high functioning individual in this area, I feel you maybe overestimating how easy it is for people to pick up the skills you think are easy to acquire.
I would hazard a guess that the skills you are referring to in this video are not as easy to acquire as you make them out to be.
Is there a nicer more diplomatic way to put this? I do not know. I tried. And good on all of you who found it easy to acquire the skills demonstrated in this video.
@@Whisper555 - So, in a video where I explained that HSS tools are more difficult to master than carbide, requiring finesse and a lot more technique, and where I said you will have to overcome initial frustration and practice a lot to use HSS, you think I am overestimating the abilities of others? Mmmmkay....
Carbide can be sharpened just as sharp as steel. It's a myth that it can't get as sharp as steel. The problem is that most inserts don't come that sharp because. If you hone them with a diamond file, you can get them extremely sharp. If you use your own tips with brazed-on carbide, and sharpen them with a diamond wheel, you can make a super sharp, super positive rake carbide tool.
@@littlejackalo5326 Carbide can not be sharpened as keenly as steel. In fact, not all steel can be sharpened to the same level. But that doesn't matter much in turning since a very shar edge will be rounded over quickly when you are cutting hundreds of feet of wood per second.
@@Whisper555it is easy to underestimate how easy it is for others to do what is easy for you. Fortunately there are tools that make it possible for just about anyone to get into wood turning but it will cost a small fortune. I'm 71 and am blessed to have a background and skill set that allowed me to get started for a fraction of what it would cost the average individual.
I use a mix of the two, each where they shine. Carbide tools are quite cheap if you buy the insert & matching screw and make a handle. Easy beginner turning project.
Making your own is not practical. You need a mill to be able to mill the proper geometry into it to fit the insert. You could buy an old machine tool to hack into a wood lathe tool, but the only way to use carbide is to braze a piece of carbide onto a piece of steel and grind it into shape.
@@littlejackalo5326 With a little ingenuity one does not need a milling machine to make insert holders for ones carbide lathe tool holders. I have made several with just a hack saw and an angle grinder plus drill and tap.
@@Sillyturnersame here. Brazing is an option but I made one with the same tools you mentioned.
I want to compliment you on your video. It is straightforward, without the sarcasm I see in other videos. No inserted camels grinning or animated bunnies jumping up and down. Just plain, unadorned information carefully gathered and presented. Thank you. I’m a fan and a subscriber and very appreciative.
I'm a professional turned and educator. Although I could get super picky, your explanation of both HHS turning tools and carbide scraper is quite valid. I would point out, however that all scrapers, - carbon steel, HSS or carbide - should always be presented to the wood at a negative rake or angle, not neutral - or parallel to the floor - as you describe. Although they can be made to remove wood at a neutral angle, it is extremely easy to err on the positive side and get a whopper of a catch.
I am a brand new woodturner. And on my second attempt using traditional tools I was able to turn a more than passable bowl. I take great pride in it including the flaws because I know I made it. Learning to use the traditional tools isn't that terribly hard. Mastering them is a different conversation. I do agree with one thing that stumpy said which is that cheap tools are not going to be what you want. As my dad used to say buy the best tool that you can afford. I have since modified that to buy the best tool that you can justify. And having used cheap traditional tools and expensive ones I can tell you that it is very easy to justify buying a more expensive turning tool.
It's also worth noting that I am 100% UA-cam trained when it comes to woodturning. I do have a lifetime of experience using tools and working with wood but turning was never one of those skills that I pursued until I was in my 50s.
Been turning for about a year, and wound up having my hand forced on the carbide vs. traditional tools front as my options were either super cheap (and likely nasty) chisels, 100+CAD/ea chisels, or carbides. Wound up going with the carbides and its been a pretty great time. I still want to learn to use traditional but carbide tools very much feels like a 'use the right tool for the job' investment, not a 'take the easy road' one.
It's also not an either/or situation. I use both, choosing the best tool for the specific circumstances.
Starting the carbide would make more sense in terms of getting a job done, feeling encouragement and then getting deeper into details, as opposed to misusing steel tool, getting discouraged from months of unobvious errors and giving up.
I think a little of both meets most of my needs…besides, more tools, more better! 🤣🤣
Excellent advice as always. I spent the pandemic learning woodturning from UA-cam. I am a traditionalist, and I thoroughly enjoy the process of learning a new craft the "hard way". Having said all of that, I do like the concept of carbide tips for deep hollowing. Otherwise, I love how I can get a beautifully smooth surface by using a sharp, traditional tool. Your comment about expense is spot on. I have invested more time, focused learning, and expense on making properly sharped turning tools than I have the lathe itself. Also, I have enjoyed this journey immensely. It really is the love of crafting something that drives us. Thanks again for your great insightful video.
I know you hear this all the time. But you truly have the best woodworking videos. To the point and clear concise information.
I'm a 10 year experiaced wood turner and your video is right on the mark thank you
I began with carbide. Decided to quit limiting myself, learned to sharpen, and never looked back. The pleasure is 10x greater with traditional, for me. Now, I occasionally need carbide, and happily use a negative rake round cutter to finish resin, but they are a last resort and I'm more likely to get a catch with carbide. They have a place, but the sooner they become your backup or special circumstance tools the better.
EXCELLENT video!
I have no experience with turning, but have done my share of other woodworking as a serious DIYer… so I’m familiar with end grain, tear out, shaving vs. scraping, etc. Having watched a lot of turning videos, I’ve intuited most of what you had to say, but your succinct explanations and spot-on discussion of process vs. result (and where “your head needs to be” if you’re going to prefer one type of tool over the other) ring TRUE!.
It was a genuine pleasure to watch and listen to this.
I use both.
I started wood turning when carbide or exchangeable tools weren't available as much as now, the good hand-me-downs and second hand tools and machines (this also goes for my other woodworking machines) Made me get pretty experienced in tuning, but if I had the option of affordable carbide tools I would have been able to make a lot more FINISHED pieces, but I love the charm and character of learning something over a longer period of time to get really good at what I do. Do whatever makes YOU happy. I would recommend learning to work with traditional turning tools eventually, after ten years I didn't have to sand my work anymore, I hate sanding. Good luck all the new woodturners out there, you will get there eventually 👍
There is a lot of balanced, knowledgeable information to be had from these videos. Well done !
At 70 years old I started turning at 12 years of age with my grandfather teaching me I turned with spindle tool's as that's what there was I've turned many bowls with them and when bowl gouges came out I had to learn those just recently I bought a set of carbide and 8 months later I despise them to no end learn the old way and you will love it one can get an finished product and hardly any sanding and we all despise sanding!!!
Another EXCELLENT presentation! I use both & your explanation was spot on. Thank You.
I started off with and still use the traditional tools. I get a great deal of satisfaction of covering myself head to toe with beautiful shavings versus sawdust. It did take a lot of practice.
I've been turning ~12 years. While I may quibble a little with a few of your points, your video is excellent information and advice for new(er) turners. Personally, I was interested in both process and end result. I started with cheap hss tools (harbor freight windsor with burgundy handles, still available) and made my own carbide tool holders/handles. In a short time (a few weeks), I realized the limitations of carbide tools. I still use the carbide tools I made all those years ago, primarily because I have them, but its very limited. I agree with your summation for which path to choose. My experience with new turners is turning will not become a real passion for them, but just another thing to try. So, start cheap, and if you really like it, then join me and others in the time & $ black hole that passionate turning is! It's very rewarding, but it takes study, and practice, practice, practice to get good at it.
Another great discussion James. Thanks for giving us some things to consider.
Excellent explanation of the mindset behind which to choose! I love my traditional tools.
I built an open face grinder that sharpens my lathe tools quickly and easily. I learned w/ traditional tools and never considered carbide. Will definitely check out the Carter and Sons tools.
Divine intervention; I was going to order the 3 basic carbide tools...you described it perfectly 'I like the process and the intuition even being new to turning. Like all your other videos, excellent and thanks for saving me the money on the carbide tools.
Hopefully getting into wood turning this year or next. This kind of well presented info is super helpful. Thanks!
Years ago when I first started turning traditional tools were all that was available. I actually was able to learn to use them rather quickly with very little instruction from my dad. He had only turned with a metal lathe but was able to transfer enough knowledge from his years of doing that to show me how to turn wood. When I decided to buy a lathe a few years ago and start turning again I decided to stick with traditional tools and am glad I did. I’m really enjoying the challenges of both turning and sharpening. Yes, turning is expensive no matter which way one chooses to go but I find using the traditional tools to be very rewarding. Turning also allows fe to create a great end product in a short period of time which is one of the reasons decided to start turning again. Through turning Incan also create great presents for friends and family.
Good Infor. Beginner turner here. I'm waiting for the delivery of my 1st lathe at the end of this week so I purchased a set of carbide tools. I look forward to learning all the techniques involved in using traditional tools over time, but can get started right away with carbide.
Thank you for the good information!
Thanks for the comparisons.
For my birthday in May I bought myself a Carter and Sons bowl gouge and handle. Boy do I wish I had an larger budget for new tools as this is an excellent tool and I am looking forward to my next tool from them. I lean towards tool steel as it allows me to put my own grinds onto the tool. good video
BTW - I appreciated your video about the grinding chain saw wheels. I have always felt that one is responsible for our own safety. Unless something is blatantly made unsafe.
Very smart explanations about the difference between the 2 styles of tools. Carter and Son are my favorite turning tools! Love them, but I do have some carbide tools that I made myself. Thanks for sharing. Be safe, be cool! Beach, NC
Thanks James. This is the kind of pro vs con video I like. When I start to turn I’m still not sure what I’ll do (this is woodwork 2.0 and I’m still at 0.5) but this will help when I get there.
Thank You Mr Stumpy...cheers and best wishes, Paul
I use HSS for the outsides of all my pieces, carbide for the insides of hollow forms and vases.
I started with steel and Im glad I did. Yes, it was a bit frustrating at first and I had to figure out how to sharpen them, but in hindsight, I am so glad I did. Carbide is great and I grab my carbide often, but more often than not I grab my bowl gouge because its so much more versatile than any other tool
When I bought my first lathe, the salesman sold me on a 3 piece set of carbide tools. Mostly because I didn't have a clue. They worked for a while and the learning curve was super easy.
But then... i found this old guy on UA-cam that was a master at the skew. Allen Batty. I was so impressed, I bought a skew. The first couple days I destroyed a lot of wood. Now... it's my favorite tool. No need to sand. I love to roll beads with it. I love the surface finish.
I've since invested in other traditional tools. I can't imagine I'll ever use the carbide again. I don't even like the sound they make when they're cutting. The sound and feel of a skew shaving wood is so satisfying.
Fantastic tips, James! Thanks a lot! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I started with HSS tools on pine, to got a feel for the tools, what and what not to do with them. Moved up to hardwoods and had and found I could get a great finish because of my practice on softwoods. When I started to get into turning epoxy and other plastics, I invested in negative rake carbide tool.
Your comment on spending more on tools than the actual machine is so true. I spent about $500.00 on my first lathe, and have well over $1,200.00 in tooling now.
Thanks for the video...very helpful.
Thank you! Exhaustive and pleasant video, as always on your channel!
great video and explanation, thanks!
As usual worth watching
I use both carbide and traditional tools in my turnings, it all depends on the wood. The way the grain flows around the turning may need both types of tool.....
Great video - thank you
Thanks much for another great video. Accurate, sensible, honest, direct, minimal fluff/pontificating. Yes, unusual for you tube :-)
I'd add that it will likely take (IMHO and experience) some (re) learning if you turn using conventional tools and are coming back after a time away from the lathe. But that just gives you more chance to experience the joy of achieving your skills(!)
When it's down to basics, it's a matter of preference.
Carbide tools are cheapest option if you build them by yourself. Carbide tip and screw set costs 1,5-5 eur from amazon/aliexpress. Just take a piece of metal rod from scrap pile and some random wood for handle. Built all my chisels for less than 20 eur in total cost.
Definitely the cheaper option when built yourself, but saying that in the video doesn’t sell carter and sons tools ;)
Yes a guy has to pay the bills
Seems kinda snobbish to choose hss over carbide. I think bigger names here in the US could make both and make everyone happy
I made a lot of my own tools including carbide and gouges with good results. I realize a lot of people might not want to but it's fairly easy and I love the creative process.
I am relatively new to turning. I found an old collection of cheap gouges at a garage sale, and also purchased a decent set of carbides. I have settled with a mix of both. I use the carbides for most of my roughing in, then finish with the gouges/skews. This reduces the amount of wear and sharpening on my cheap tools.
Those Carter tools look so nice! Some day I will be able to treat myself.
I primarily do turned work. I started with a small set of carbides because I could get immediate results and I still use them some. Once I could afford the extra expense of grinders and sharpening jigs, I moved on to traditional tools (though I buy Thompson tools) and enjoy the process a lot more... I would suggest anyone starting out and planning to learn on their own to follow the same course.
Thank You James.
Thanks for the great information James. Stay safe and keep up the good work and great videos. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻✋🏻✋🏻
Still working on taming the 'Devils Can Opener", I love the skew, but man it demands your full attention and respect!
Informative video and nicely explained James!
Lol...devils can opener
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You like that one? 🤣 Very descriptive and accurate. I wish I had coined it, but I heard it from Mike Peace, an exceptionally talented UA-cam turner. Do you turn? If so, have you tried using a skew? Alen Lacer is a (the) master of skew turning and he promotes a modified shape of the skew that has a rounded bottom edge. It makes using the skew a hundred times easier and I always suggest anyone starting out to adopt it. You may already know this, if so then it's useful info for all that don't.
All the Best, Chuck
The number one thing that a new turner can do for him or herself is to find a turning club. There the newbie will learn the proper way to turn from the first minute. I have helped new students and they are all so glad they did not go out and buy set of carbides or general set of traditional tools . They need to learn on tool at a time and master it. Within a few good lessons they will be able to turn a simple spindle and not have to sand to make a smooth surface. Buy each tool as needed, do not buy sets! There are clubs all over the country and everyone I have met have been glad to help and serve as a mentor. One comment has mentioned Allan Batty. Look this man up! Although he has passed on, his videos remain as well as his sons videos, Stewart Batty. There are many great videos out there... there are some not so good ones as well. Allan was a British production turner. Good Luck!
I have used both. I now only use carbide cutter tools. Why make a job more difficult when you can get the same result another way. I think there is a certain amount of snob value in sticking with traditional tools.
Eventually, a turner will acquire more tools than he needs, and settle on those that work best for him (or her). It’s always nice to have just the right tool for a particular cut, and remember: it’s not a hobby if you can’t spend money 😉
And yes, those Carter tools are worth every cent!.
A newbie will buy tools looking for a quick fix to learning, much better to fully explore the tools you have and learn to use them properly, then buy something new when you really know what you need.
the carter and sons bowl 5/8 bowl gouge cost a boatload but it does probably 90% of my turning work. i don't know why exactly it work so much better than other gouges i've used--maybe it's the steel, maybe the fancy metal handle, or maybe it's a placebo effect but i love the dang thing.
@@elbooj confidence is the key.
Love carbide!
Very well presented and informative video. I'm much more familiar with traditional but am very much on the cusp of trying the carbide, especially for some upcoming hollowing projects. I think in the end it will not be an either/or but a both/and type of usage. The internet needs more of these types of reviews at it meets everyone where they are at vs. the "if you don't do it x way" you're not a real woodworker, etc...Plus, I'm always 1 tool away from 'winning' so having a chance to get another tool puts me 1 tool closer to victory!
I started with reasonably good quality and reasonably priced tools soon moved up to very good English and US made tools, hate sharpening. I use a lot of elm, osage orange, and other woods that are dull tools quickly. Went to carbide tools and love them, no tricky sharpening just a diamond hone.
FYI very good video
I've only been turning for the past 15 or so years. I have carbides for deep hollowing and sketchy timbers with possible foreign objects (rocks).
The best piece of advise for a beginner or even an "interested" person is to find a competent turner to teach you the basics.
Good video, all valid points. In my case, I am interested in the product (when it comes to lathe work) not the process. Started with HSS tools, got totally fed up with the finicky sharpening (which is a skill unto itself, or expensive as all get out) and moved to carbide tools. Also, I only do occasional lathe work, it is not my primary hobby interest. I do some metal work so I built all my own carbide tools, extremely easy to do.
One thing, nasty grabs on a lathe can turn a person off really quickly to doing lathe work. Soooo, my advice to a new turner is buy a couple of inexpensive carbide tools, see if lathe work is your thing and then make a decision. The inexpensive lathe tools can still be used for stuff like roughing.
I’ve only been watching your channel since the beginning of the pandemic, but always enjoy your sage and practical advice. Well Done!!
Nice video, thanks :)
I’m new to woodturning and find your channel very useful. My feelings on this topic are one of sadness that old traditional skills will get lost eventually. I teach barbers and as much as I try to teach students old traditional skills, the majority of students will always go for the clippers and modern tools. Understandable maybe but there’s something much more satisfying in learning the old skills before you binge on the ease of technology.
I totally agree with what you are saying but I don't think using carbide makes wood turning easier, it just means you don't have to invest a lot of money in a sharpening system and a lot of time learning how to sharpen.
“Why is one better than the other? Microwave or stove?”
This is a VERY similar question.
Both are tools used by pros and amateurs. Pros tend to use the stove (traditional tools) more often, but use the microwave (carbide) for certain tasks still. Amateurs have an easy time popping stuff in the microwave and it is harder to screw up dinner, but quality often suffers. At first, the amateur is more likely to burn dinner using the stove, but he won’t get any better unless he starts over and tries again.
I think you have misunderstood the meaning of the word amateur. You seem to conflate it with novice or incompetent.
@@rimmersbryggeri it makes no difference to the point
@@rimmersbryggeri additionally, you can have a novice pro cook. So, it does seem to work.
@@buffalojones341 Amateur means for the love doesnt mean unskilled.
Thanks!
I like carbides for turned casted pen blanks. Steel for everything else
I'm coming from the perspective of someone who first used a lathe in high school wood shop when making my final project (a lamp). That was 1980-81. So carbide tools for turning weren't a thing, or of they were, the school couldn't affors them. I was successful and enjoyed the process. My life took a different direction and that was my last time on a lathe. Now here I am 40 years later building my dream shop. Adding a lathe is in my plans. This video is very helpful in helping me to decide which tools to get. I'm leaning toward the steel, which though they need sharpening and require a sharpening system, I can use that sharpening system to sharpen other things. Thanks for the info on the different types of tools.
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A very balanced view with only one error. Apart from one or two makes of American made carbide tools, here in the UK carbide tools are generally much cheaper than HSS tools. As others have said it’s also very easy and cheap to make your own. Full disclosure, I use mainly HSS tools but Carbide does have its uses.
As with all the others, I also use both. The carbide are good for tough spots
I enjoyed that considering I don't have a lathe and have no intention of getting one 🙃
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I’m gonna sign this card too.
Don't see much turning stumpy, you my boy blue
Yeah, I hear what you are saying. basically that traditional tools use a more elegant method that is harder to learn but produces better results. Some caveats: carbide tools are no sharper than a well-sharpened steel tool, the cutter just stays sharp much longer, so unless the woodworker is willing to rotate or replace them, they don't cut as well eventually. Second, you can hold the carbide tools on their side for a shear cut.
With how absurdly dangerous a lathe can be, I have decided to wait until I have the space to really properly set up a shop in a dedicated space, and then I'd like to actually learn how to use the tools properly, not skipping a single step or making it easier on myself.
A lathe is an amazing tool to have if you have the skills to use it, but I've seen pictures of people who lost fingers or even hands using one improperly, and I feel like going for carbide tools because they're easier is not the right way to look at it, or any large power tools for that matter. Once you have the skills you can always choose to use carbide tools instead, but you shouldn't make that decision until you actually know what you're deciding on in my opinion.
I have both. I use both. Just depends on the project and the wood.
I use almost only traditional turning tools but i find that the round carbide bits shine when hollowing out corners in hollowforms
Is very rarely that I lathe in wood, mostly lathes metal. Bought the cheapest lathe tools for wood that I re-sanded and hardened, works really well now.
I would suspect HSS is better as it is generally easier to sharpen to a very fine point but carbide can be sharpened too but the dust can be highly toxic and the grinding stones needed are not cheap. However all my experience is on metal turning lathes, where hand ground HSS and carbide are not as common now adays as insert tooling, but a properly ground carbide tool is a joy to work with.
Traditional tools aren´t that difficult. I made planing cuts, v grooves and rolled beads with the skew at day one. Didn´t look as pretty as laster but learning the basics is easy and I find the right angle to present the tool really intuitive. Since I´m too poor to buy cheap crap I invested in three tools to start out. A roughing gouge, a spindle gouge and a 1" skew, all from the crown pro-PM line. They hold an edge pretty welll and if they get slightly dull, I can touch up the edge on a fine grinding stone or a dimond sharpening tool in the size of a credit card before going back to the grinder.
I have ascended beyond Carbide or High Speed Steel hand tools.
I enjoy the creation process more than anything. This is no longer a skill or a hobby as turning is now a passion filled with challenges unlike anything I've seen.
I now turn exclusively with Aluminum cutter hand tools on a foot powered Lathe.
Bow down for I am one with the craft. I feel the layers of the wood and let them guide my progress.
Hey manlove the videos and the knowledge shared! I have a problem I have tried to make my dad a urn (first time using a lathe) I've now got the shape and hollowed out to about 6" but needs to go deeper. I couldn't hollow out on the lathe due to limitations and am thinking to buy a Chuck but I would still be abit in the dark how to hollow out...any tools you can think of? Just built me a workshop shed I'm thinking a drill press is the first buy so I can do it the easy way....great channel again can't want to binge tips once I get my workshop shed running
Why not both lol
I use carbide for faster rough shaping and then a traditional tools etc for the final cuts because I have to sharpen less using the carbide and sand less using the traditional tools for the final pass.
I do the same to save my better tools for the finish work.
G'day James, good points you make mate, particularly sharpening of said tools.
Speaking of turning, have you done a vid on replicating the same profile on multiple pieces, such as 4 "identical" table legs as a common example ? Cheers Duke.
I started turning with a cheap used Craftsman lathe and craftsman tools. Experimented and used a lot of carbide tools. I now have a nice Jet lathe and lots of both traditional and carbide tools. I think there is a time and place for both. I’m sure you will get a lot of comments on carbide is just scraping from the purists.
Have bought several Carter & Sons tools, extremely happy with performance, quality, and less sharpening... I also have the round carbide tools that I use for roughing out my bowls!!!?
Interesting
Try this one Folks -- Instead of sanding, try rubbing the turned part while turning with a Harder wood stick --
than the turning is made of. It Literally burnishes the wood to a Mirror surface -- Truly Amazing. Just keep the stick Moving and do not let it generate too much heat.
Both is good. I've been working with really hard wood lately, and sharpening was needed so often that I had to get new tools. So in hard wood I start with carbide, then finish with HSS tools. So far, the bowl seems to not remember the roughing steps. The only thing that remembers is the chips. Perhaps if there is judging on the chips on the floor, it will make a difference.
Lol, you are spot on with your assessment. Hard seasoned wood is hard on any tools, even carbide, but you will spend a LOT of time sharpening if you don't use carbide for part of the turning. I think most people just avoid turning the difficult pieces but I enjoy the challenge.
@@JamesCouch777 I love turning different woods, including the hard stuff. I've been turning ancient Chestnut lately, stuff from old barn beams. Cranky stuff too, I have to use a lot of CA glue on a lot of areas. Gotta use Carbide to start. The SBBG and scraper are there for the finishing touches
While I 100% agree that this is a personal decision and not everyone will want the same, I see time and again that turners who start with carbide and stick with woodturning eventually realize they want to learn to use the traditional tools. The downside of starting with carbide is that you only really learn one skill -- scraping. Someone who has learned traditional tools can immediately use a carbide tool with almost no instruction. But someone who starts with carbides still has the entire learning curve ahead of them when they start using traditional tools.
That said, for literally the first time you stand at a lathe, a carbide (or a traditional scraper) has the advantage of teaching the absolute basics (how to use the parts of the lathe, present a tool, and perform a simple cut) without the added element of learning to float a bevel.
Started with carbide but the tear out was too much for me, I found sanding more tedious then sharpening! Another thing that should be mentioned is that scraping requires a more powerful lathe. My midi lathe will slow down with scraping cutters used on a larger bowls but a sharp bowl gouge is no problem.
as a furniture maker who occasionally turns, i have stuck with traditional turning methods as i don't want to have to sand out the detail i put into the piece. if you are a novice, i suggest you pop down to the local turners club and get some lessons. i did this over 40 years ago and it was well worth the few hours i spent learning the basic techniques.
I envy you guys in the states, there is a local club for everything
The local turners club is an hours drive each way. I had the info from a trade show but never went down there. Oh, well…
I learned on traditional before getting carbide tools
Nice viewpoints but you didn't open that can of worms, turning resin. Would be interested in your views on this too.
I don't turn resin, so I can't comment on that.
I think a lot of what you say is true. Maybe it's just how you're saying it, but there's another reason to go carbide. Trying to learn everything associated with wood turning at once is a lot. Learn to turn with carbide, then get HSS tools. Right now the only old cheap set of tools I have aren't ground right and I'm in "learn how to sharpen a gouge correctly" hell on top of learning turning technique. If I had carbide instead I wouldn't have to think about that stuff at all. My work wouldn't be as good but it would be better than it is right now.
You hit the nail on the head!
“It’s supposed to be hard. If it wasn’t hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great."
Tom Hanks in "A League of Their Own."
To me, scraping isn't a whole lot of fun. And it's dusty. Sometimes there is a need for it, but I much prefer the feeling of slicing off long chips and curls with traditional tools.
Great video, and good to see you finally got your Redwings travel mug.
Keep these great videos coming.
PS- ever consider anodizing the aluminum handles with different colors?
YT algorithm is useless! I've already bought the tools. 😁
steel has a finer grain than carbide. as a machinist, if i'm on a machine that doesn't have the rigidity, i would go with high speed steel. if i'm cutting wood, carbide wins the day on an electric router, but nothing beats a finish you can get with a hss tool ground to your own preferences.
traditional hss tools can be ground to special shapes. this is far more difficult than carbide and requires a diamond wheel either in a pedestal grinder - or a good ol' B&S 618 especially if you want repeatability. (form grinding separates the craftspeople from the wannabes)
hss will teach you to learn the basics and largely give you better finishes.