Dragons Dogma 2 - Stat Breakdown | Best & Worst Vocations
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Dragons Dogma 2 introduces a lot of vocations to the game, along with a lot of numbers, but doesn’t do a good job explaining just how relevant they are. So I thought, wait a minute, is the Warfarer actually that bad, statistically? As we were told that it’s downside is lower stats. Well, in order to assess that I had to make this.
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Just for clarities sake we don't know the actual stat growth. Like I mentioned multiple times I'm just showing averages so you can see the base stats of each class. Which matters more the higher your level goes. There is a stat cap, sure, but switching vocations will impact your stats base. You will take more damage as an archer than a trickster.
Stats become the same at lvl200 until then there will be some variance between which vocation you are when leveling up.
I've been trying to actually skim through different playthroughs on youtube of people playing different vocations to get a detailed breakdown of how much each individual stat increases per level increase. Then i want to see if that has permanent affects down the road for changing vocations, to see if the base stats still have some influence in how your stats reallocate upon changing your vocation.
@@yiirbaI have made a complete growth chart in the official discord.
@@SkywingDS link?
@@LeonV777 stats do not become the same at level 200. It's false information with no math to back it up.
Warfarer also gets a plus because of the fashion options.
This was the biggest thing for me. I get to pick any armor I want even though I'm essentially just playing it like a magic archer without my ultimate but to replace my ultimate I get on demand heal and I can float for utility. Foremost, probably not worth the trade off but so far I like it because I hate that I need pawns to springboard me but they won't do it when I want them to when I need to fly across the gap but I Can't because my favorite class is magic Archer So warfarer has been nice.
Likewise, in my NG+ I'm playing warfarer but 3x magic archer skills and a mage staff so I can use the utility. I'm also wearing my favourite armour and have a sword in my 3rd weapon slot (no shield) just so I can walk around towns with my hand on my sword instead of a stick floating on my cape 😂
@avirei98 you don't actually need the warfarer skill to change weapons, ive been uaing warfarer with 4 magick archer skills, and any time i need healing or levitate i go to the menu and equip a staff from there.
@sesslar2096 that's actually good to know, one extra skill slot is great. I dont mind swapping to my sword in the menu. Usually when the enemy is downed ill use the power smash ability.
Yup.The ability to have Visage of Ju'nuwa on a mystic spearhand is the clincher for me. So I'm basically not even using rearmament, just running around looking dope
Level 200 caps all stats at exactly the same so growth only matters on the journey to that peak. 99.9% of players won't even come close to hitting that level so this is still relevant info but superfluous when considering the cap. I find that Warfarer has suited my needs being able to play warrior without rearmament and just swapping to medusa bow for exp kills and mage staff for getting seekers tokens. By endgame, the gear for fighter tends to have a crazy amount of KDR which can be worn as a warrior to supplement the loss of those stats. Combined with hyper-armor, I no longer feel enemy attacks and just plow through bosses.
The best part of this game is there's no wrong answers and lets you play how you want while carefully balancing each other out. Honestly one of the best game series ever made for RPGs.
I think so too it's so much fun I dumped hours into it it's so much fun I just need clearer graphics and better fps and that be perfect.
I've seen others say this as well, but have never seen an official source confirming this. Where is this info coming from?
@@mrmaggot6699 There are videos deep diving on the subject that show stat growth via spreadsheet for each vocation and what they found was each of them will reach the same stat cap by 200. It was obviously done to keep the game from becoming a joke at extremely high levels and ensure balance across vocations. Pretty genius considering you could level warrior for a long time and push the STR stat high, then swap to a magic user once that stat growth cools. Plays perfectly into players wanting to change things up or experiment.
not true
Remember it dosnt matter what you choose at around level 200 you will reach the stat caps for everything
Cap is 999 but I get what you're saying.
@@territorialamcape2726 999 is the level cap but the stat cap for all classes will max out on around level 200
After a certain time you will see just a -- when you level up but it normally only happens around level 80
@@territorialamcape2726 doesn't matter what the lvl cap is because you max your stats at 200
@@shblade5984 Where u guys saw that? Im not doubting, just asking
@@Souzz__from hackers that manage to play as a lvl 999 on the first day of the release and even had their pawn at lvl 999 that you could rent
Warfarer allows me to heal myself, apply shield buff, nuke caves with purple energy, and use all melee’s. It’s the most fun to use
Can’t use maister skill of other classes.
This is why all my potential employees have to undress before I conduct an interview. I want to make sure they don't have any stat boosting rings on and I want their raw potential on full display.
Thorough, and concise. Excellent. 💯
Subbed and liked. Quality deserves recognition.
Thanks for the sub! Appreciate the faith!
I play Magick Archer and Mystic Spearhand as a Warfarer and my damage is pretty good (like a griffin takes about 45 seconds to kill)
All i wanted to say was that Warfarer is my main vocation
Mystic spearhand ftw
I am lvl 80 and the game is pretty much easy mode at this point. My pawn has every vocation maxed and i am almost maxed on every vocation. I would take fashion over optimal stats and growth, so Warfarer all day.
Great vid and thanks for taking the time to make it.
The warfarer is the most broken with a mod called "Skill Preset Switcher" where you can have skill presets saved and become dante and also allow meister skills for the warfarer.
ua-cam.com/video/AKR4GR7U3zw/v-deo.html a showcase of a similar mod
Well who gives a fucking shit what class is "broken" when you allow mods? What is the point of this comment lmao? "Hey yeah, if you edit the game files to give classes extra op abilities they aren't supposed to have, they get overpowered!" yeah no shit dummy
@briandprice1981lol "cheating" in a single player game
@kathrynbigelow3735 for real. It already gets so easy at higher levels
@@kathrynbigelow3735 Let people do what they want in a single player game. If they wanna cheat, let them. If it doesn't affect you or anyone else, who really cares?
At least they aren't cheating in a ranked online game.
8:37 this table ignores that some vocations have access to hybrid damage type weapons. Warrior, Fighter and Thief can use their Magic stat with weapons that deal magical and physical damage, while the Archer vocation only has access to physical only bows and Magick Archer only has access to magical only bows.
Something to consider but most endgame weapons for physical fighters aren't physical/magical hybrid weapons. They're only physical. While a hybrid of stats would benefit you in that midgame stage when you encounter those items, it's benefits will fall short once your at endgame.
Medusa bow have magic dmg
@@carlononis7100 The Medusan Spellbow has zero magic damage. What you probably see is your Arisen's magic attribute that is shown in inventory, but unfortunately if the weapon doesn't do any magic damage, your magic attribute is not added to the total damage. You can test this with the slimes that are immune to physical damage- you can't damage them with the Medusan Spellbow unless you have a Mage pawn that buffs your weapon with an elemental effect.
my man, DD2 AND excel in one video? chefs kiss!
really really really great and thorough video man, liked nd subbed solely off this, crazy the first to do a video on this was someone who (to my knowledge) didn't even get early access
Thanks for the sub! I did get early access, but only a few hours. Not complaining at all, but a very select handful did get over a week of it. Made it hard but the silver lining is that I could take my time and enjoy the game rather than stress about finishing it in time. Thanks again!
I did some testing and a level 65 Pawn leveled completely as lvl 4 - 65 Warrior got him 300 more HP than usual when switched to fighter after I was done leveling him. He has close to nearly 1k Defense, 2500 HP, and 450 Mag Def in best in slot gear with Vermundian upgrades. Based on this information I think it is best to level tank pawns as Warrior instead of fighter. They will have a very noticeable amount of +HP, +Def, +Str. They're basically a pseudo warrior with a sword and shield.
god the min/maxer in me absolutely eats this shit up lol, thanks for making this.
There are two reasons I have not started DD2... 1st it's the stat planner like the original had in order to max certain stats for the build you choose... 2nd it's the performance issues that need to fixed on the consoles so I can fully enjoy the game. I can't wait till those issues are fixed so I can fully enjoy this game.
Uhh, were these stats just pulled from changing vocations of an already 73 leveled character, then those stats averaged out for the per level growth?
If so, this is entirely misleading
Not entirely so. The minute details of every single level don’t affect standard gameplay so much as generally knowing if a certain stat is low/mid/high for that level.
DDDA had permanent stats with levels giving the same rewards from 1 to 10, then 11 to 100, an then 101 to 200 if I remember the breakpoints correctly.
In this game you don’t have permanent increases based on vocation at level up so it’s not as important.
@icarusreaver3184 there are permanent / semi-permanent stats based on what vocation you are when you level. "Semi-permanent" if you reach the stats cap.
To be more accurate you'd have to level from 1 (2) to X as the class; stat growths per level also change depending on what class you level up as, similarly to how it was in Dragon's Dogma 1.
Just swapping the class once you reach a certain level makes for quite a weird mish-mash of stats - my Pawn who was mostly a fighter/warrior had almost 200 more strength than magick after a swap into sorcerer.
A really nice QOL update would be if all the armor became available for any class after level 100 or so
Or if you max out the vocation, it should unlock the ability to wear any armor set, something anything to make my characters look cool
Very informative guide! Thanks for all the hard to work to get those numbers.
It's a shame Trickster is awful with Warfarer because the mist clone's health will slowly deplete when you swap to another weapon.
I don't think this are completely accurate. I might be wrong of course, but, from my understanding, what you did (see the stats for each class at lvl73), will still be affected by the partial stat growth you had until you reach that lvl (what classes you played with).
This does not affect the comparison between stats of each class growth (example: the str gained by the warrior compared to the one gained by the Magick A, is true, as the stat not related to the class is the same). However, it does affect the stats growth comparison between different stats (example: if you play mostly warrior during your game, you will have a higher str than mgk as a non vocation stat, so, when you change to warrior, you will see a very big str and low mgk, and when you divide it, you get something similar to the "per lvl growth", but when you then see a Magick A, although by comparison, his mgk growth is high to other mgk growth, comparing to the str, it ill be small, because you will have a total of mgk small compared to the str you acquired throughout the game).
This means for example, that what you have in min 8:50, is not true, as every mgk gain, will be smaller than the str gain (you can actually see it, your str green numbers, for example, are much higher than the mgk green numbers, which leads me to believe, you played mostly as a str class).
I believe that the way to solve this (or at least mitigate), is to redo all the numbers, with relative numbers, and not the absolute ones (in stats). So to explain, instead of seeing how much str you have as a warrior and a magick A, you see, how much the the str the warrior an the magick A have, compared to one specific class, lets say, warfarer, and then you will get a reason, that tells you how much of each stat, everyone gets related to the warfarer, that will have the same number, for all stats).
Hope it wasn't to confused what I said, and that I did not made any logical mistake, but I believe it is worth at least thinking about it.
I agree that the information OP showed in the video doesn't match what he is talking about. Quickest way to compare things is to use a cheat engine to get from level 1 to 100 lets say for each vocation and then note the stats as each vocation. So 1->100 for fighter, note stats as each vocation, repeat for mage etc... I saw a table with the "base stats" that each vocation gives somewhere so theoretically if that was correct information you wouldn't need to repeat as much.
Vocation stats are per vocation. What vocation you level as has no bearing on your stats as your stats will change to whatever is appropriate for your level as that vocation when you change to it. Leveling is not like DD1.
@@50miler 100% this
@@ciceronx Test this out and you will quickly see that it is incorrect. At level 41, my arisen which has only leveled as fighter had the same base stats as all other pawns I see that have only played as fighter of the same level, but different stats than pawns that have multiple vocations ranked up.
I realize that multiple sources said vocations affecting stat growth wouldn't be a thing prior to DD2's release, but now that the game is here we can clearly see that they were wrong.
I hear all stats max out at certain values, which you can expect to hit at around level 200 for all stats regardless of vocation. I hope that is true, but I have not been able to confirm this myself yet.
Warfarer is my goat
The fact you can use any weapon and armor is incredible, in terms of stats it is not the worst nor the best but in terms of building it you can compensate with the armor and weapon stats
Thief is goat
@@warrgoddess8029 Absolutely ! Especially when everything die so fast. Found some skill combo that can kill anything in less than 10s with warfarer at lvl 60 (And I'm higher now, it's even faster. I had to change my skills because there was no fun anymore XD). So in the end... having max stats doesn't matter that much and with warfarer I can just equip whatever I want, having the best fashion et using all the weapons I love XD
@@warrgoddess8029Its a mechanically useless class in a team game. It literally foes a worse job than any core class properly built. Even going out the way to combine nonsense abilities is backwards when a pawn can do it for you. The game is already to easy by the time you even get warfarer makingnit even more useless. Really wish people would stop overhyping lazy design that was an excuse to dump multiple classes and strip others to make you think you did something new.
@@XmrcaptainbobX and does DD 2 is a team game? I dont understand where u going? And the warfarer class can be great when combining 2 weapon like a bow and dagger for example
im at lvl 107 right now and im playing warfarer now after being sorcerer for the whole game up til level 95. i switched to warfarer just to be able to wear the mages cleric set with a magick archer bow and skillset + a sorcerer staff to switch over for stamina recovery and levitation. what bothers me about the warfarer is that the class is unable to use the ultimates of the other jobs (good bye maelstrom spam). at least magick archers arrow avalanche is still most of the time THE attack to go for, so warfarer is mostly just... style to be honest. BUT for about... 10 levels now? only my health and stamina have increased. at some point your other stats just dont get any upgrades anymore, no matter what class you play. on the sorcerer, the last few levels increased my strength, just to balance out stats, so in the end, your stats really do not mean much anyways, since all of them will cap out at some point with the "minmaxing" result being only sliiightly different from eachother. i still remember when my fighter pawn wore 2 health increasing rings to get to 3000 health and now hes wearing 2 strength increasing rings, but still having 3000 health just cuz its the last stat that keeps on increasing.
Good way to level up is to get the bow from Medusa, then obtain the growth ring from the spinx. (Finding all the tokens will also get you an exp ring). Use the bow for the final hit.
It's worth noting that your stat growth per level is determined by your vocation at the time. Yes, your stats change when you switch vocations. But compare a level 40 pawn of a particular vocation that only has one vocation ranked up with another that has multiple and you'll see a stat difference. Meanwhile, all other pawns that have also only played as that one vocation will have identical stats, as will players. Source: tested this myself. Therefor, stat growth per vocation cannot be calculated by just switching between them on one character.
Pretty sure those numbers at level up also reflect a total gained for level per vocation used and not like DD where it only matters your vocation at level up. Swapped from mage to warrior before level up and gained mostly magic stats.
Yes that's what I'm talking about. If you swap between vocations you see your stats change. It's interesting.
@Dantics that's just because all base stats change based on class, but not stats from growth. Not sure we will ever get a stat calculator for this one.
Did you level each to 73? Like 1-73 fully as one class. You can't just change vocation at 73 and see how they will be, stat progression isn't retroactive. Just a few flat numbers.
Warfarer changed my life
The weapons and armor you use count for way more than your base stats in this game...level whatever you want it barely makes a difference
I reckon stamina is the most important offensive stat in the game, which would put the viability of a thief up there with the warrior and sorc in terms of class-relevant offensive ability.
IM enjoying wayfarer sooooo much
Just remember all stats level out the higher you level. Every class will cap at the same stats. Just matters which stats cap first.
Regarding warrior, Knoll breaker is a fantastic defensive and offensive skill. Smacking a charging minotaur in the face, stopping their attack, knocking off their horn and dropping them on the ground makes those encounters trivial. I've also found it helpful on Drakes, Ogres and Griffons.
I'm a warefarer main. I've been tearing through everything for 6 playthroughs. I've platinumed the game.
As the monsters barely scale with the level, even at New Game +, min/max does not really matter if you can play halfway good. at level 200 it also evens out as others already mentioned. So people can play what they like without worry too much of having leveled wrong class.
Ok now my take on Stats in DD2
I'd say the formula is as follows:
S = Shown Base Stats
B = Vocationspecific Basestats
L = LevelUp Stats
A = Armor stats
T = Total stats
T = S + A
A = A of course
S = B + L
L seems o work just like in DDDA
B would be like that:
Imagine baseline are those stats:
Health 100
Stam 100
Atk 100
MAtk 100
Def 100
MDef 100
Now for example (imaginary values) lets say Fighter gets
Health 200 (+100)
Stam 100
Atk 150 (+50)
MAtk 100
Def 250 (+150)
MDef 200 (+100)
Mage gets
Health 100
Stam 200 (+100)
Atk 100
MAtk 200 (+100)
Def 100
MDef 200 (+100)
Now to conclude: It's a hybrid system. Stats work as in DDDA but when changing vocation your actual base values (B) will change. As in: change to fighter? Get boosts to health, atk and def. Change to mage? Get boosts so stam, matk and mdef. For example.
On earlier levels it might make a bigger difference but the higher your level the more obsolete "B" becomes and the more important "L" and "A" become. That is until you reach the stat cap then eventually you'll max all your stats. And then L is always fixed. Then the only difference comes from A and B even if B is only a minor difference at that point.
And no i didn't do excessive testing on that. Just watching my statgrowth and comparing it to my pawn alone makes me think that THIS is how it truly works
Edit: Spelling
@whiz16 here
What you denote as B seems to be incredibly random though, using my pawn as example as he's been a mage constantly for 20+ levels now (with all vocations maxed) and I've recorded every single level up.
54: HP +10, STA +3, STR +0, MAG +0, DEF +5, M.DEF +7
55: HP +2, STA +4, STR +1, MAG +1, DEF +0, M.DEF +4
56: HP +4, STA +2, STR +2, MAG +7, DEF +0, M.DEF +0
57: HP +8, STA +3, STR +0, MAG +4, DEF +4, M.DEF +4
58: HP +5, STA +2, STR +4, MAG +0, DEF +2, M.DEF +0
59: HP +4, STA +1, STR +3, MAG +8, DEF +0, M.DEF +5
60: HP +11, STA +3, STR +0, MAG +8, DEF +3, M.DEF +2
61: HP +1, STA +2, STR +4, MAG +0, DEF +0, M.DEF +0
62: HP +1, STA +2, STR +0, MAG +2, DEF +4, M.DEF +7
63: HP +8, STA +0, STR +1, MAG +11, DEF +1, M.DEF +11
64: HP +4, STA +5, STR +0, MAG +0, DEF +3, M.DEF +2
65: HP +8, STA +2, STR +1, MAG +4, DEF +0, M.DEF +0
I could continue for a fair bit longer, but I think the point is rather clear. He has never changed vocation during that entire time, probably not even gear, yet the stats he gains are wildly different each time without any, to me discernible pattern at all, especially with his level 63 randomly defying any "budget" theory.
@@MissSmoozie Interesting. And what are your pawns total stats? Woulbe interesting to see if two different 100% mage pawns had the same stats on the same level as well. All I know is that my pawn leveled mostly magical vocations while i leveled mostly physical vocations and when equipping the same vocations on the same level i can clearly see that my physical stats are higher whilst my pawns magical stats are higher.
I know stat gain looks random but I think it is just making sure that some stats do not fall behind too much.
@@MissSmoozie Also I think you mean what I denote as L. Because L is the stats you gain for leveling up
I love this hard, usable information. What I would love to see next is the same but for training combat behavior in pawns. I read a comment on another video saying that if you set yourself up with the same build and vocation as your pawn, they'll start mimicking your combat style.
But do they observe you even when they're in another vocation and will suddenly have their updated AI once you tell them to switch to the one you've been playing - or do you both need to be the same one at the same time throughout the entire process? And which components of your style will they learn, and how intelligently do they use them? I have a lot of questions because there's no hard information as of yet.
do note that my pure sorc (as in leveled up as a sorconly) at lv 45 (303) has greater magic than warfarer "sorc mode" at lv 73 (299). wait the is the table showing actual vocation change at lv 73?
Hate to be "that guy" but you can't level as pure sorc (unless you mod) even if you beeline through the prologue up to vocation change you'd get at least a couple levels as a starting vocation through quest rewards alone. But overall you're right on the money
For anyone who’s interested, I maxed out strength at 81 by playing Warrior starting at lvl 3. I have a video going over the process.
the game is actually well balanced over the stat growth and adapted to vocation and how we would use it
warfarer, even though average on stat, also have access to all armore, allowing for balance between defens en magick défense, and can equip the weapon with most higer stat of strength or magick, but cannot use maisre skill
archer, is more of a debilitation support than a dps guy, that is why it doesn't have much stat for it
thief is you skill spammer (spin to win and invulnerability) so give him a lot of stamina
fighter got decent everything in equipment and is made for durability, with a defensive option, giving him to much hp would make fighter an invulnerable machine while warrior will take hit trying to charge or hit his ennemies, so a lot of hp, stagger resistance and physical defense, on top of huge damage to compensate slow pace. warrior is the knockdown guy
hybrid vocation take the point to being very hybrid, taking advantages and disadvantages of what they are, mystic spearhand is weak because sorcerer is weak, but deal massive damage beaucause fighter and sorcerer do so, more over, it has good evasive option so giving the vocation defensive stat would have make it the best, stat wise
magick archer is... busted, high damage magick skill with low prep time and huge aoe (seriously, have you guys tried the lifetaking arrow skill ? it just shread mobs down while potentially healing your pawns, and with the big ice chunk it has acces to physical damage)
they all encapsulate in their stats what they're doing in combat
Warfarer is just way too clunky to be enjoyable. Every other class has a smooth set of rotations to use and that keeps the combat smooth and flowing. Warfarer requires you to manually swap weapons to use each class skill and that's why it sucks, it adds a pointless layer of finicky weapon swapping that really isn't needed. I swapped out of the class once I hit max dcp rank and went back to thief/Mystic spearhand. If only the devs had made each skill use the weapon it's linked to automatically, it would have resulted in a more free-flowing play style.
This is my issue with it and why I often don't play it despite loving the concept and potential. I don't like having to manually switch every single time. It's not even a skill issue, it's just annoying and unnecessary as a mechanic.
Informative video! Do you have character sliders for your cover girl?
Thanks Gman. Sadly no :( AI used.
I wish my pawns could play fashion Dogma with me. also wish the Dragon forge system just allowed you to choose what stats you would grow with so my warfarer could grow with spear hand stats they just seem a bit better for offense, nvr played the class but I may try it after I make a weapon I like.
atm I've capped my MC at 40 and my pawn is level 50 I felt this was a good level to stop as most people can reach her more people can reach more help she is to community. xD
Fantastic video made my life so much easier thanks for you hard work 🙏🏾
Best solo build I could come up with -
Max thief for str boosting augment
Max sorc for magic boosting augment
max archer for weak spot damage
once youre done with that use either a thief with a magical dagger that deals mixed damage (heaves keys or frosted edges if you cannot get the keys). Mixed damage dealer that is just way better than the spearhand.
or you can play a magick archer BUT you need some strength because some enemies are very resilient (or downright immune) against magic damage and you get access to some ice block skill that deals a ton of physical damage.
The magick archer is also just a worse class for solo play because the thief is very safe - you give up I frames and masterful kill for more dps on bosses because you have range. Magick archer base stats are also pretty bad. But it shouldnt be a huge deal because you will most likely level as other classes a whole bunch.
You can melt the hardest monsters in the game with either of those classes no problem.
If you feel like doing extra you can max mage for stamina recharge and get warrior to rank 5-6 or so cant remember which exactly for penetrating enemies armored spots (its pretty important for the thief actually).
Warfarer is a trap dont touch that class.
@briandprice1981 but you give up ultimate attacks that are way too strong AND you get worse stats.
@@warnado5007nigga no you don’t get worse stats😭 lord people swear they know some shit but sound dumb to suck a vocation off? If you want to play op asf play thief and get bored faster than ever or you play warfarer to mix up and have fun either way this is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME dont let a bot sway you from a great class been using warfarer exclusively sitting at lvl118 everything dies just the same if not faster if you use dwarven smithing because knockdown is just that good at high levels
The strength and magick augments are worthless as they are flat values and are extremely outclassed by simply putting on gear.
@@ciceronx I agree but there are really no better options
And they make quite an impact early on
appreciate the research. however i found once i got to level 60-70, and maxed out classes it then became boring, and every encounter became predictable. should maybe have a survival tier??
Hey man can you make a video on the improve vocation function from ng+ at the dragonforge seems like nobody knows how it works exactly
Your chart is ONLY relevant to your character. I doesn't work like you describe it. 73 levels as pure fighter when switched to sorc will not have same stats as 73 levels of pure thief when switched to sorc.
I think when you switch vocations, the stats of your character will change in favor of the vocation you switched too. So this chart is relevant for all characters. He mentioned that he’s not wearing any gear.
Sounds like u should reroll a mage and go pure sorc
Good video, very well explained
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for putting this together :)
Great break down
The defensive growth of the Trickster is surprising.
When I was trying out the vocation I remember being surprised at why I was so incredibly tanky and nothing was able to punch through my seemingly enormous health bar. This definitely explains it.
Warfarer is #1 purley because you can put any outfit on. And once you get over lvl 60 stamina seems to be the only thing that holds it back and you can work around this with rings and abilities
if stat growth is similar to how it works in DD1 then I can see a meta NG+ build for warfarer where you rush thief for the first 10 levels to get as much stam as possible early, MS from 10-100 for max damage and then warfarer for the rest of your game to just vibe with even stat growth since the stat caps you anyways as you encroach level 200
"if stat growth is similar to how it works in DD1" It isn't.
Thank you. Bin looking for this info
Hey Dantics,
With optimised equipment for each vocation, which one is the highest damage output in the game?
Hope all is well man! 🙂
These numbers are all incorrect because the higher your lvl the less stats your gonna get depending on the current base stat you have this is because when you lvl the game evens out the stats but prioritizes the main stat of a particular vocation. if you lvl 1 to 30 on a particular vocation, you will see high stat growth at the start specially from lvls 1 to 30 then you change to a different vocation and u notice stats increase are pretty low. So these numbers are all irrelevant. If you really wanna know stat growth speed then you have to make a fresh character of each vocation starting from lvl 1 on each.
I just got warfarer and am level 50 just doing the story quest where i need to track town east to see who is impersonating me as the resin and i always stop to fight people 1 more to max mystic spearhand already maxed warrior had alot of fun with stunning and unconscious debilitating enemies fighter 6, archer 6,warrior maxed,spearhand 8,rest are 0 havent used them yest but so far there all fun i just need capcom to optimize it so i get better fps and graphics am playing on my steam deck😊❤😁.
The vocation you were then you leveled up influence the stats that you gain, this stats normalized at level 200 where everyone will reach the same stats caps no matter the vocation, then the only thing affecting your max stats is the stat modifiers that every vocation gives you just for been that vocation. In short it's a waste of time to use your lvl 73 character for this comparison is obvious that you spent most of your level ups as physical oriented class, that is why you have very low magicka even as a sorcerer.
Please don't waste people'time with misinformation.
Most of ppl will be arround 60-70 by the time they beat the game so this stat actually matter
Minor spoiler for game rewards/mechanics (that is relevant to this video):
Now do this again but with the enhanced vocations from the Dragonforged post-game. :)
it equals out at lvl 200 with minor differences so long term it dosnt realy matter
This was interesting. But this game is so frustrating. Buggy. I have 2 quests that can not be completed, and thus, I can not proceed to the coronation. So, how do I ever finish the game? Ugh. Maybe i will go back to it after a few more patches, but I just do not have the mental energy to start a new game after 60 hours for nothing.
if key npcs necessary for dialogue to complete a quest die, their bodies can be found in the morgue where you can use wakestones to revive them. you can post a request for wakestones (or shards) with your main pawn to allow other players to trade them to you for something else, for example gold, if you happen to be out of wakestones.
@@More_Dread Sometimes they bug out and their bodies don't exist in the morgue despite being listed at the morgue manager. This happened to me on my first playthrough at 120+ hours with a crucial main story quest NPC that had died off-screen.
I've read somewhere that stat growth doesn't really matter since your stats are retroactively adjusted as soon as you change your vocation. Is that not the case?
its not quite like that... each class has a different set of base stats that get adjusted when you switch, but you also level up your stats at different rates depending on your class at levelup, both of these things get added together for your final stats.
The trickster's main ability scales off of strength and magick, and you shouldn't be getting hit if you're playing well, so that class having the highest defenses is pretty worthless imo
I don't suppose you have a publicly-sharable copy of that spreadsheet laying around, do ya mate? 🤲🏼
So to be clear. Are you saying when I get that popup saying "You leveled up to 20, here is your +8 health and +4 strength and so on" that is purely a level up. Does not matter which class I was at all and everyone gets the same thing at level 20? And then when I swap from fighter that I've played for 20 levels to a rogue all of my stats suddenly change but that +8 health I got in the window is just like a baseline boost?
it's a hybrid system where some base stats swap whenever you change vocations and some stay the same based on what vocation you've leveled up. but the "level up stats" all have a cap, and at level 200 (maybe lower but that's the level people keep calling out), everyone's "level up stats" are the same.
all the stat growths he points out in this video are for reaching stat caps "faster." swapping between physical and magical classes at lower to middle levels will be a tiny bit punishing, but it's better for "faster" growth towards stat caps. you might do like 5-15% less damage or something compared to if you stuck to pure magical or pure physical, but it'll take longer to reach stat caps if you don't swap around.
so basically, it no longer matters what you play, and you should just do whatever seems the most fun to you, since you gain something/lose something-yet can still reach stat cap-either way. :)
@@kathrynbigelow3735 One of my big questions still stands. How important is 10 or even 50 points in these stats? When I'm looking at a sword that gives 215 strength vs one that gives 225 strength should I really care? Like the 225 strength sword might cost 10k but then there is a 240 strength sword that cost 50k. Is an extra 15 points worth spending 5x as much gold?
So we aren’t gonna talk bout DAI in the background 😆
I've just watched the video and it has a lot of false information. The testing is flaw and the chart is completely wrong. Here's some basic break down. The top chart simply shows the difference in the base vocation stat not stat growth. For instance At level 1 fighter has 650 HP, archer has 500 HP. The difference is 150. Here at lv 73, 2088 - 1938 = 150 exactly. You use the same character whichever vocations you have used to level were not disclosed and then just change the vocations and record each stat in the ( ) and call that the base stat. That is the first mistake. Hence the chart you make simply reflects the growth of your characters and its vocations at various level. Did you level it up completely as a sorcerer? or was it a mix? This affects the second chart.
The growth number you show using maths on the second chart reflects the stat growth of your vocation combination and not of each individual class. Hence the numbers are completely wrong.
You claimed that Mystic Spearhand has lower stat growth than Wayfarer, among other things like surprisingly your for your character its Mystic Spearhand at level 73 has 343 Strength which is lower than Warrior (obviously) but surprisingly higher than Fighter. This is where the methodology is wrong. If you were to level up a character from level 1 as a fighter it will have exactly 333.3 strength, not 308, and Warrior would have 421 strength at level 73 if level purely as warrior. Since you did not disclose what vocation you were at each level (and you probably don't have that data recorded either), there's no way of knowing. In short your chart simply reflects your growth and not the vocation growth.
Addressing the calling the ( ) the base stat and think that the stat gain is the same in all vocation using ( ). That is simply not true. Capcom never called ( ) the base stat so it's up to the individual to decide what's the base stat. But here's the break down, each class has a "base vocation" stat, for example let's take HP: for fighter it's 650 HP, for archer its 500. You can see this if you make a character at level 1. Now, there's a hidden "true base" stat. All characters true base stat of all stats at level 1 is actually zero. The number you see in the ( ) is true base stat + base vocation stat. When you gain a level you gain DIFFERENT true base stat depending on which vocation you were on. For example at level 2, a fighter gains 25.2 HP whereas the archer gains 18 HP.
Another terrible math mistake you make is this on the 2nd chart. Take fighter strength for example you simply divide 308 / 73 = 4.2 and call this 4.2 strength growth? That 308 has warrior specific vocation base stat included... Yeah that's definitely wrong. And the same go for the rest of the 2nd chart.
Does HP and Stamina cap out as well?
I'm still puzzled regarding which vocations you use to level up matters or not. I used to play the previous DD1 a lot, and the vocation you leveled up with mattered quite a bit. I heard someone say in dd2 reallocates the stats depending on the chosen vocation at the time, it doesn't matter the one you leveld up with, is it true?
@sampalace358 ty, somehow I understood the opposite... that's why I needed a calcification hahaha ty.
I thought he showed the stats at level 73 after just changing vocations.
Yep, that is correct - when you change your vocation, your stats will be adjusted compared to the leveling table for that vocation.
@8wayz2shine ow.. ok? So it doesn't matter what class I use or when, I'll have a fixed amount of stats. It limits the potential min max dmg you can get... but then again the game's so easy it's probably for the best.
@sampalace358 ik you deleted the previous comment, but I just wanted to say this: not every game has to be like a standard RPG/dark souls where after leveling up you need to sit down for like 10 min and think about your build.
The closest thing we had was changing vocations in dd1 regarding this franchise. For casual players is less jarring knowing no matter what they do, they're not effing themselves just cause they don't know how the systems works.
Your stats do cap, 200 is when the game will cap your stats. So there’s no stat growth beyond 200, and anything above it is just reflecting game time.
Early game, that’s where stat growth matters. Do you want to use magicka archer? Get to sorcerer quickly to get the most magicka. Want the most dps? Go mystic spear hand for a few levels
So what meta in DD2 is peak performance?
To 999 we go!
You can’t use maister skill with the warfare. That’s why the class is just a gimmick. Doesn’t matter if the states are higher.
Can you confirm that all stats equal out at 200? Because i really want to stay as MA
If you were to level to 10 as fighter and then to 200 as MA you'd be a couple hundred hp and a few str short of their respective caps, and everything else would be capped. Assuming you do enough leveling as other vocations to unlock all the important augments (especially warfarer for Zeal), you'd make up those deficits without any problem.
My warfarer has high everything maybe because i got it at lvl 5😂 damage out is to op i killed a dragon at. Lvl 26
If thats the case then whats the optimal way to level up a Fighter?
Warrior, I'd say. It gets a ton of defensive bonuses and Strength throughout its leveling journey, and Knockdown Reduction is insanely valuable. However if you plan on using a permanently enchanted weapon on Fighter, some Mystic Spearhand would contribute to both physical and magical damage with its stats. Just be aware of its low Defense values.
To unlock augments, Verve +strength from thief -Endurance unlock from Archer + stamina...check those out and using rings should be good to go to play comfortably, Take care Minnow
How?
Do you have a tutorial on how to make the pawn used for your thumbnail?
IMO stat growth is not relevant and must be equal across the classes
Lol the waefarer has better stats than the archer so I guess I should play warfarer.
Of course
play what ever you like none of it matters once you hit lvl 200 which caps all stats.
@@dragonsdogma2062 I'm level 80 atm. How hard is true ending if you around that level?
@@leandrodelmistro2238 Honestly level 80 is way too strong for the current state of the game, with gear and levels you will breeze through post-game.
@@leandrodelmistro2238lets just say you won't have a hard time in the post game area at that level.
Game is easy so all clases are s tier
Ya see tho. Wayfarer has a stat the rest don't. Ita default is maxed and it's only hindered by your in game bank acct.
The Drip stat.
i'm not sure if its misinformation, but there is no stat growth at all. there is base stats for the level ( for evey class) + extra stats for that vocation = your total stats (, before wep/ armour/ buff) . the base is fixed , but the vocation stats are added depending on your vocation. ie at lvl x , fighter will have x str, x magick , etcetc. sorc will have y str , y magic , y resistance etc etc. mage will get z str , z magic , z resist etc etc.
what u think as stat grow per level will have no impact as all , as the different vocation stats gets reset every time u change ur class & u cant use sorc stat as a fighter anyway. As someone mention before, base stats cap at lvl 200, so vocation stats does not matter anymore.
As I undarstand your take it should be the other way around.
@@RazeIII what do u mean? can show your calculation ?
@@whiz16 Commented my take on it here in this comment section
my pawn levelled only mage for 59 levels , their stats as a warrior ( naked ) is different as my arise as a warrior ( naked ) , not by much but it is different so the '' but there is no stat growth at all '' is bullshit .
Edit : Everything points out to a hybrid of base + level up with a cap at 200 , making min max irrelevant at 200 but maybe relevant for very few before it .
because most skills are total ass and u will be using basic attack most of all theres no reason to switch from warfarer ever
I just have 2 warrior skills and gut and run. Magic bow on the side for annoying enemies and staff for levitation. Warfarer is so good lol
The amount of people who think stats work like the first game is so sad, keep up the good work man
they do actually still work mostly like in the first game, its just that each class gets a different temporary bonus to make up for it. each class has different base stats but the stat bonus you get per levelup DOES depend on what class you are at the time it happened and you can test this yourself easily by unequipping all gear and then making both your character and main pawn switch to the same class... their stats will be different.
The amount of people still believing a pre-release rumor that was proven false immediately after the game came out is also sad. The only saving grace is that if you do bother to level up all the way to 200 then it will equal out because stats are capped and in the end you can easily cap everything just by ranking up every vocation to unlock the augments (and skills for warfarer to use).
If I chose to start over, level archer to lvl 6, then Sorc to lvl 6, max archer then pick up Magic Archer, will my stats be fine for magical dmg output? Or should I just focus mage and sorc then Switch to MA for magic stats?
Just play, there’s stat caps, so eventually you will see strength added on your sorcerer and no magick. It all caps at 200, so at 200 you’re good, there’s literally no loss, you capped your stats.
I leveled all of the vocations and then made a warfarer with MA and Warrior or thief. No issues doing damage at all. About a 40pt less damage from full MA to Warfarer MA.
@@SpliffyHusk 200 by lvl or stat soft cap?
@@teynryn831 you will reach stat cap on all stats at your level 200 , the class that you level up with only changes which stats gets capped first