An Advanced Guide To Charge Blade SAED Spam in Sunbreak
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- An in-depth guide on the SAED (Super Amplified Element Discharge) Spam style in Sunbreak. Aka "Ultra Element Discharge" in Sunbreak. I wanted to make this guide because I felt like other guides were good at teaching Charge Blade basics, but not how to use its tools to do SAED Spam in practice. I see a lot of other players online not using CB to its fullest potential and using it inefficiently, so I thought I'd make a guide with the information I find most useful for SAED Spam in Sunbreak.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:02 - Skills & Switch Skills
7:22 - A note on "Memorizing Combos"
9:20 - Charging Phials
12:26 - Sword → Axe Guard Point
18:04 - Roundslash Guard Points
20:35 - Axe Draw Guard Point
22:11- Axe → Sword Guard Point
23:10 - Counter Peak Performance (CPP)
27:01 - When Should I Guard Point / Counter Peak Performance / Evade?
29:25 - Escaping Axe Mode
30:44 - Morphing Advance
33:21 - Neutral / SAED Fishing
36:40 - Notes on AED
39:45 - Notes on Savage Axe
42:34 - Miscellaneous Stuff
43:42 - Closing Thoughts
#chargeblade #mhrise #mhrisesunbreak #sunbreak - Ігри
I’m glad Yt recommended this vid to me. I played horn for the whole during rise and recently switched to CB and have been struggling. This has been really helpful. Thank you
Felt very shit to fight Malzeno, then after this video i realized that GPs make it SO much easier cause a lot of his moves knock me back by a lot and i cant punish it, but with GP i can.
Great vid and very detailed, nice!
This guide is exactly what I've been looking for to help increase my CB knowledge/skills. I've been frustrated by a lot of guides that feel they don't really put things together with the CB and instead spend (sometimes rightfully so) a lot of times on the basics and getting people going. Thanks for the time put into this!
Nice video, quick correction; you actually have a third option after doing counter peak performance. After a CPP you can either do an SAED/AED, charge your sword or by pressing the right face button you can morph into axe mode. It’s not immediately obvious that it’s possible to do that after a CPP but it’s actually pretty useful to block multi hit attacks. So take Risen Kushala’s double wind beam for example, you can CPP the first wind beam and then press the right face button to morph into axe mode, then with counter morph slash you can do the axe morph guard point into an SAED. The advantage to this is you can charge your phials and then use counter morph guard point to gain the damage bonus on your SAED as opposed to not getting the damage bonus with counter peak performance. I didn’t know it was possible at first until watching a charge blade speedrunner do it and it blew everyone’s mind
Yea, I always forget about that one lol. It's also useful for doing an SAED out of a CPP with a sharper change in angle by SAED'ing out of the axe mode.
I also forgot to test, but it might be possible to morphing advance or skill scroll out of CPP, but I forgot.
Do you have the link to the speed runner you’re talking about?
UA-cam recommended me this video.. it's such a well made video for charge blade users!!
I don't even use cb in sunbreak since i found it extremely slow in base rise (although i was cb main in world) but still found this video extremely interesting.
Also.. Blah, Bleh, Bluh.. that's hilarious.
This video explains charge blade so well. As a charge blade main, this video is super useful. It has all of the little tips and tricks I've learned over the years, and even a few things I didn't know. Now, whenever friends ask how to charge blade, I'll direct them here. Very well done!
Very in-depth video, I hope you grow more as more videos with this level of work come out!
This is a great video. I've recently picked up CB on Rise and this was a great in-depth refresher from using it back in World where I was a LS and CB main. There's also a ton of good info for anyone just starting out to learn this weapon. Thank you!
Great video! I've always done pizza cutter and started getting more into saed spam recently so this will be very helpful!
Yo I love this kind of guide teaches me more than just movesets. Like how to play the weapon in real way. Its logic and stuffs.😊
Great stuff!
You helped me be able to use cb and not tear my own head off I wanted to make a small video about the core moves for a friend and credit you for being such a big help and I just wanted to thank you
Really indepth guide, thanks heaps
good video. I main cb and you had some really useful tips here for people who have recently gotten into the weapon or for a refresher. also those frustrated with whiffing SAED by popping them at the wrong time or how to effectively charge phials. you did a good job explaining the options. also love counter morph slash, you're right it's almost too good 😅
This was a good guide
Alone, it is really hard to figure out how to use guard points effectively or why cancel SAED and do element up roundslash.
Awesome guide; I learned a lot watching multiple times and practicing. Thanks.
Great guide. The thought process of guard point have never been this clear for me.
Nice vid. I don't use CB but you got yourself a subscriber.
I haven't used CB as my main weapon since Iceborne. I don't know why, but at the time of this comment, I'm having serious trouble getting back into it in Rise. I've looked up tutorials, but like you said, people just go into general basic usage info rather than in depth usage style like you do here. SAED spam is my preferred CB playstyle cause unga bunga super fun, so finding this video was awesome.
It's not even that unga bunga in this game. I mean it def feels like that sometimes, but in really chaotic situations, your reactions and decision making have to be really on point.
@Blah Oh, don't I know it. I think I'm slowly getting the hang of CB again, but I'm still having trouble keeping myself from whiffing supers because of the extremely sensitive directional input you can use during the windup. It's made me miss the monster entirely on multiple occasions during knockdowns or sleep hits. Don't get me wrong, I love how sensitive it is, but the sensitivity can be a double edged sword in the chaos of hunts.
@@affablesage9582this is why I use axe hopper. I find it with Evade extender is my preferred playstyle. I only guard as a last resort- or scroll swap to use counter Peak to charge my phials quick.
The majority of the time I stay on the monster effectively and safely with extender on- using firing pin on the phials to embed as many in the monster with sword while getting 2 rounds of phials loaded up for double axe hops.
It's a grand ol time
@@affablesage9582 The large adjustment radius on SAED is great but can be tricky not to cause a whiff. After initiating the SAED try to tap lock-on to look at the monster and then just hold straight forward on the stick and your character will turn from whatever direction they were (within the range) and hit the monster
Subbed !
nice miku armor lol
I can be very impatient with the Chad Blade. I just want to blow my load onto the monster ASAP, then I get punished. I'm not sure what to do in my neutral stance, so your explanation helped a lot. My main concern was with bouncing and/or wasting phials, but your explanation of with the introduction of CPP, it's not too much of a worry. Great guide.
Nice video! Its worth pointing out that the shield charge used to be a GP in the old games. My muscle memory timing STILL (since MH4U) still tries to use it 😅
Morphing advance is the key to optimal SAED usage. You want to position yourself roughly 2 meters away from the part you’re trying to hit, if you’re standing right up next to the part you’re trying to hit your hunter will step forward while performing the SAED and the axe will land on the target but all of your phials will go beyond the target and almost completely whiff the part you’re trying to hit which is frustrating. Morphing advance can put you in the prime position to land most of your phials on the target which is especially important for element phials where you need to be mindful as to where your phials land. The other advantage to morphing advance is you can change in any direction to aim the SAED where you want it to go. Maybe it’s just me but I found aiming is a little more consistent if I linger for just a second after doing the morphing advance while inputting a direction to ensure I aim correctly as opposed to doing the SAED immediately after the morphing advance.
Also I completely agree with running evade extender level 1. With no evade extender I feel like I travel absolutely no distance with your standard roll. With some weapons I feel that they really nerfed the roll distance hard, I never felt like I needed it in World for SAED spam but having one level of it helps a lot for repositioning and evading. and rapid morph doesn’t make a huge difference but every frame counts so the landing the SAED a few frames faster does make a difference so I choose to slot it as well.
I think evade extender is a bit more necessary in multiplayer personally, but I play multiplayer a lot and I enjoy rolling to get closer to the enemy lol.
I also probably should've elaborated a bit more on Rapid morph and mentioned that it's monster dependent, and I've seen lots of good players shave it down to Rapid Morph 2 or omit it altogether depending on the monster. Although I think for a guide for newer CB players, they underestimate the difference it can make so Rapid Morph 3 is probably a good default :)
Have you ever played Dark souls? I had put on evade extender level 2 and had been playing with it for a while, then I was making a new set and switching decos and talismans and stuff and had forgotten my Eex. lvl 2 deco. Felt like I was fat rolling in dark souls.
@@boredgamer7841 Lol for real! Of course i’ve played dark souls. The charge blade standard roll without evade extender does feel like a fat roll. You cover no distance whatsoever. Some of these endgame Sunbreak monsters hit so damn hard you may not want to block it or you may have to chase down the monster to reposition to a more favorable spot so that’s why I always run level 1 e.e.. and Primordial Malzeno has some attacks that cannot be blocked even with guard up so evade extender and even quick sheathe can be very nice for survivability.
Literally the only useful guide, when you know the moveset already.
just watched this guide and really learned a lot, but correct me if im wrong maybe you could teach how to aim the saed properly for the viewers, i only main cb and i plan to master this weapon to the heart. maybe if you could also teach people how to adjust aim the saed on cerain scenarios would be great!
Glad you found it useful! And uhh, tbh aiming SAEDs is not really something I think of too much, it's kind of muscle memory for me at this point. Assuming you're using a gamepad, I think the main things to keep in mind are to frequently target on to the focused monster using the L trigger so you're looking at it, and try to keep the camera behind the hunter so aiming the SAED mainly becomes a matter of aiming forward, left, or right. Like at 33:06, you see how I adjust the camera after morphing advancing before I do the SAED.
Thank you for the info, i trying to use cb after sunbreak and have a hard time with it. Btw can you tell what layered armor is that, it's like Hatsune Miku so I'm interested
It's not exactly the same one, but the layout I'm using now for Miku is
- Snowy Cohoot Earmuffs
- Sailot Suit
- Shui Braces
- Marine Coil
- Marine Pants
I think I was using Shui Coil/Greaves in this video.
Idk why but I find it difficult to aim the attack sometimes. Like I’ll be holding the direction that I want them to attack into but it’ll turn the other way
The best advice I can give is to try and frequently target/lock on the monster and when you're doing the SAED, try to align the camera so that it's behind the hunter and the monster. That way you can just hold the joystick forward, left, or right. You can see examples of me trying to keep the camera behind me and the monster when doing it at 17:56, 28:07 and 33:05. For the morphing advances, you can change your angle completely, so there I'm putting the camera behind me and the monster and then holding forward.
@@the_blahhh this actually makes a lot of sense. In any game similar to Monster Hunter with big bosses, I’ve almost exclusively never target locked onto the boss, I know it helps a lot, I just never grew up doing it. So sometimes I forget it’s even a feature in the games 😅. Lol thanks for the help I’ll be sure to keep this in mind
I feel like this guide could have been condensed a lot if you had a better script or improved your speaking skills, and I noticed a few times where I felt like the topics could have connected an idea better. For example, in the "Escaping Axe Mode" section, you talk about how you usually end up in axe mode because you tried and failed to perform an SAED, and you mention using CPP to charge your sword and morphing advance to do a roundslash. I think it also would have been a good idea to reiterate here that you can "escape axe mode" by simply using those two moves to perform the SAED you initially failed to perform. A CPP into an SAED or a Morphing Advance into an SAED provide safety in either a guard or a quick reposition, followed by an SAED which sets you back in sword mode. In short, I felt like this section could have connected back to the idea that the ultimate goal is to get your SAEDs out, not just to escape and get back into sword mode.
Those criticisms aside, I found this guide pretty relaxed and informative. As someone who has been around the charge blade before, I was looking for a guide showing specific guard points, swap skills, and combos that can be used in real situations. Unfortunately most of the guides on youtube simply restate the combos in the hunter's notes, instead of hitting on the deeper intricacies of the weapon. I don't know if this was a one off passion project video for you, or if you intend to grow your channel with this kind of content, but I think you have a good voice and cadence for this type of video. Obviously you could make improvements to your mic quality and the things I mentioned earlier, but overall I was impressed with how well this 900 view video turned out and I'm glad I clicked on it.
As a newer MHR player, I would also be interested in seeing a Savage Axe video from you as well. I'm interested in the playstyle, but I don't yet have the Ready Stance or the Air Dash skills to complete a mental picture of the playstyle, so it's hard to say if I'll ultimately be interested in it. Anyway, good luck with the content endeavors.
Thanks for the detailed comment! And glad you got something out of it! :) I feel like it's kinda hard for video guides to get that sweetspot between too detailed for a beginner, giving detailed advice for general gameplay, and not getting too specific into certain matchups or scripted speedrun territory.
This is a one-off video for now, but yea, def agree on the organization part - after rerecording so many times, I was kinda over it after a while lol. If I ever do it again, I'll probably read off a script and record the gameplay and my voiceover separately instead of at the same time, so I can say all I want to say in an organized way and not adlib so much. My biggest regret is not talking about AED more, which I made sound kinda bad - despite being useful for getting knockdowns and big damage in.
As for savage axe, I'll admit I don't really love the way it works in this game compared to Iceborne, so for most fights where I'd use Savage Axe > SAED Spam, I'm usually inclined to just reach for Swaxe or IG instead, so I don't have too much to say about it unfortunately.
But yea, thanks for the comment!
So what is the armor set you're wearing?
It's TU4, so I think it was archfiend arms and legs, and risen valstrax for everything else. I don't have access to my computer for a while so I forget what I'm wearing now, but it's mostly the same for dereliction, dragon conversion, strife, furious skills.
Why do you think air dash is limited to CSS only?
There's just no good reasons to run it over Morphing advance for SAED. The phial explosion recoils you away from the monster which isn't great for keeping up DPS and can leave you vulnerable, and the raw hits aren't as powerful without CSS and don't really benefit elemental SAED, which is definitely the way SAED needs to be played in the endgame since Raw SAED is super bad.
The super armor will also get you killed a lot and CB sword and shield has a lot of defensive options as is. It's debatable if it's better than morphing advance on CSS, let alone SAED.
In terms of fun factor, it's fun to play around with but it def benefits CSS a lot more, esp with risen kushala helm which makes it super spammable and can help you get blood blight.
@@the_blahhh If you time the phial explosion to just when the second hit connects you can actually propel yourself forwards instead of backwards which is cool
Great video, keep it up. Just a quick note about Rapid Morph, it does not affect the speed of your SAED. The animation with and without rapid morph is 4.2 seconds from when I clipped it out in my video editor. If it did then it would also have to increase damage of either the hit or phials by 30% but it does not. I like to use Focus 3 so I can get yellow charge off a single charged slash for my saed spam. ua-cam.com/video/pHoYDmN31YE/v-deo.html
Try using SAED out of shield thrust or out of a guard point. Morphing Advance bypasses the "morphing" part when doing an SAED. That being said the benefit of RM3 is slightly monster dependent and you can get away without running it on a lot of monsters.
@@the_blahhh Just tested out from shield thrust and it was the same result. No difference in animation speed. But I did find out that Morphing Advance recovers about .2 seconds faster which I did not expect. ua-cam.com/video/L1zbeNMEz9s/v-deo.html Edit: that .2 seconds is most likely from the tiny hang that happens when you hit the monster, did not take that into account.
@@Fricknut yea, not sure what to say. Initial testing definitely indicates there's a slight difference: ua-cam.com/video/hrn1YEADSjY/v-deo.html
And whenever I play with and without (like when I'm playing savage axe, which doesn't use rapid morph as much) I immediately notice the difference.
You are correct, took frame by frame analysis but its 11 frames quicker with RMorph 3
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