12V tools have replaced my 18 volt ones. I have very little 18 volt tools left. I no longer need an 18V impact driver, these are amazing! The 2.5 HO is perfect for these too
I can not believe that little impact driver just took off 225 ft lbs with a half dead 2.0 battery and an adapter. The next M12 stubby impacts are going to absolutely rip. I could see them ripping off 550 ft lbs
The current Stubbies are at the top of the heap and not that old, what makes you think they're due for replacement? My bet is they will be around for a while yet.
I burnt up a whole set of Ryobi drills and impacts on a previous job. 5 tools in all On fire literally. Needed some tools to build a 10x12 shed and 2x8 pt platform for it. Grabbed the combo set you talked about at HD for $199, with a free High Output 2.5. I built the entire base on the 4.5, on the charge from the box. And then built the entire shed with the 2.0 and it’s charge from the box. I haven’t even touched the drill yet! At the end of the job, I got gifted a m18 surge 1/4 hex impact and new Xc 6.0 SMH 🎉 the Lord Provides! Got all that for $214! Haha God bless great video! I now know the true deal I got!
My batteries wouldn't even take a charge. Found out the charger has to be plugged in before inserting the batteries. Odd. I have 1990s Ryobis with 25+ year old batteries that still work every single day
Man these are good looking tools. Just ordered my kit, can’t wait for it to come in. The gen 2 impact has been used everyday since it came out and hasn’t let me down.
I have the gen 2 kit also. Would you happen to know what the difference is with the gen 3? I can't believe he didn't mention that unless I missed it. I just don't see any difference.
Great vid Tim! Looks like you got about 550 from the M18 and 225-250 from the M12 here. We're also seeing the M12 make 1/2 of the M18, which surprised me at 1st
@@KnKn-rr9ri I don't think so, I've seen the comparison on drilling in different fasteners and the Gen 2 performance seems to be right there with the Gen 3
Got mine yesterday.. I work at Home Depot, I grabbed it as soon as it came off the truck.. wasn’t even put out for sale… and it was the only m12 combo kit that came in 😂🤣😂.. we got a bunch of the new m18s tho
Considering this is pressure treated wood, that switchblade did a pretty good job. It looks like I'm going to have to add Milwaukee's 12 volt lineup to my Milwaukee platform As usual another Awesome Video!!
Checking in from mid Tn. I no longer do building and remodeling for a living. Im on rocking chair time these days.. I started buying the M12 Fuel tools a few years ago and I have been nothing but impressed. I will put them up against many 18/20 volt for power. Unless you are working your tools hard every day I cannot imagine that these M12 Fuel tools would not be enough. Plus if you look at everything that Milwaukee offers in that line you should not do without. Now with the new HP batteries you should be all set. Thanks again for another great video brother. Stay strong.
Just a tip when drilling with the hole saw and small drill is that the blade must be 90o to the work, check your 14:12, the blade is on an angle and requiring double the torque .
I just bought the combo kit for $229, and Milwaukee is running a deal right now there they throw in an *additional* CP2.0 battery. So for $229, you get the 3404 hammer drill, 3453 impact driver, *two* CP2.0 batteries, one XC4.0 battery, a charger, and a case. Pretty incredible value. I can sell my lightly used Gen 2 stuff and get into these Gen 3 tools for very little money.
Would’ve liked to see the drill/driver drilling some metal. I’m an electrician and drill a lot of steel cabinets for knock out punches (7/8 holes for example) or use a step bit on cabinets. My old gen 2 m12 drill struggled with those tasks big time, I’d like to see how this would fare in a similar task before I purchased
I have the M18 FUEL combo and just bought this set recently. The size and power is incredible, I legit see no reason to buy the M18 unless you're a working professional. Average homeowner this is more than enough.
It’s insane what these 12v tools will do. This is my favorite channel to watch tool reviews. And I’ve been waiting (what feels like) forever to see more about the new M12 impact and drill. Considering the power tools like this, and the M12 stubby can make, do you guys think we will ever see a 12 V mid torque?
I've also been waiting forever for this. It's unfortunate that he wasn't able to use the new M12 high output 5.0 battery. According to Milwaukee it increases power by 25% which probably would have made that 1" auger go through without an issue. Stay tuned. I was looking at jumping to M18 because I need the extra grunt from the 1/2" drill, but now I should be able to stay all M12.
The impact is huge power in a itty bitty packing! And the tri-light is bright as heck you can definitely see the difference. I just got my impact Tuesday and been using the crap out of it! I can’t wait to pair it with the New HO m12 battery they came out with! I just got the gen 2 m12 hammer drill and from what I can see there wasn’t that big of a difference over all! So I won’t up grade that it’s basically brand new still! But that impact was amazing
I would say the mode ring is way better that the gen 2 the impact mode are more spaced apart from the drill mode and you don't accidentally put the drill on the 12 mode really annoying apart from this they upgraded the led ligth to be more like thevrest of the true view color and the chuck is a little better but nothing to really brag about
Great review Tim! I bought the m12 Gen 3 and it is more powerful than Gen 2. I also bought the m18 Gen4 and ended up returning it was garbage compared to my Gen 3. The battery deal was great with the Gen 4 but does not have the guts of Gen 3.
I went from working on cars for BMW to a general contractor. I love both jobs. The funny part is that I went from snap-on to Milwaukee. The price difference definitely help my wallet.
And how's the difference in quality? I'm a general contractor who also works on cars all the time. I have a small fleet of f150s of various ages that I work on myself. (I am actually rebuilding suspension in one this weekend and will start building a new tranny for another over the next week) I never owned snap ons and they'd always seemed ridiculously priced to me. I use dewalt 20v tools for all of my construction tools and we're talking about a lot of tools. Love them, wouldn't get anything else. I also have the big 20v impact wrench from dewalt for lug nuts and such. Then I have some 12v Makita specialty construction tools. The quality of those japanese tools is very high and they have an interesting selection. Now lastly, I have a huge selection of m12s for all of my automotive needs + plumbing tools (the m12 copper tube cutter and stapler are the best things since sliced bread). Now as to Milwaukee m18, I really just find it a little but overpriced and would recommend the DeWalts to anyone. But for the 12v stuff, Milwaukee definitely beats the competition!
Also Harbor Freight ICON tools and some older Pittsburghh Pro are my choice for sockets, hand ratchets and stuff. My oldest set of HF sockets (a 3 decker set with a couple hundred pieces) has lasted me a decade at this point and only a handful of sockets broke. So definitely don't be afraid of Harbor Freight, especially when it comes of their newer stuff. It's surprisingly high quality.
@@creepyunclephil I haven't had a problem with snap-on. I was a Mechanic for 14 years. The price difference was a big difference i went from 46,000 in snap on down to 12,000 on milwaukee, Ridgid, makita and dewalt tools. My wife was happy that I don't spend that much in tools. The only good part about snap on most of the tools that I had I sold for near the same price the I paid for it. I think I'm addicted to pack out because if you saw my Garage you would say the same thing.
I’ve seen this drill perform better in other videos using an xc6.0 battery. It’s actually a pretty impressive set, plus you can get a free battery. It’s also nice that it has a 1/2” chuck. I actually also like the grip, even though it’s a little fat. The gen 4 m18 grip feels long and skinny to me.
I have this M12 Hammer Drill and Impact driver set. I torqued my truck lug nuts to the 140 spec and the Impact driver will not break it loose. Not even close. It will barely brake loose my car lugs at 80. I used a new high output XC 5.0.
Just bought the combo kit from Home Depot for $199 and it also came with a 2.5 ah high output battery along with the 2.0 and 4.0 battery. What a great deal.
Drill- Packedge in typical box, came with a tool bag (added bonus), two batteries, one charger, drill, and driver. Two words "plenty of Torque" ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv well I guess that's three. Nice upgrade from current setup. Has belt clips, I don't think I will be using those. Driver and drill were bigger than what I expected but it is an upgrade from the current setup. For the money I would say that this is a great setup for Professionals and DIY/Weekend warriors.
These tools really love the 6.0. There’s a palpable difference even between the 4.0 and 6.0 with both tools. Really interested in any possible gains from the HO 5.0 and 2.0s.
The 6.0 XC uses a 2 banks of Samsung 30Q cells. This gives it a continuous rating of 30A. The new HO most likely uses Samsung 25S cells, giving it a continuous rating of 50A. That should equate to a huge jumo in power for high demand tools, and a lot less cutting out of tools.
@@procrastinator1842torquetestchannel did some messing around with these.. not much of a difference between the 6.0 and the HO batteries… came to the conclusion the tool itself is pretty much maxed out with the 6.0 so anything more doesn’t make a difference.
@s rooster It does make a big difference on things that draw a stall current. The 13mm hammer drill and sds hammer drill for instance. Big difference. Not so much for impact drivers which never see stall torque because the impact mechanism is basically a type of clutch.
Looks like for the bigger tasks the 18V would work better with that drill. It busted through that cinder block… impressive. Impact driver is even more impressive could pull 250lbs nut, especially with a 1/2” upgrade. Bought this kit over X-Mas for $179 w/ add’l 2.5 battery. It’s been a massive upgrade over Ryobi.
I just got the same pack Today, I’m new to tools in general and I was kinda bummed out when I found out there was the M18 series after I purchased this but so far so good with all the reviews.
@@LUCASPELUCAS777 True, but for around the house my M12 is kicking ass. If I need to pull lug nuts I’ll have to get a M18 1/2” or 3/8”. I’d make sure you;re using the High Output batteries on that M12, they get a lot more power.
@@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM Thanks man will do, I got myself the M18 brushless 2 pack for sale yesterday for only 189$ it’s not the fuel but I’m glad to have something more powerful just in case I need it. I can always get the m18 fuel later on. Thanks for the advice man 🤙
can you use the hammer drill as an impact driver? Ideally want three in one drill/ hammer drill and impact driver but only for screws not bolts! Already have a 3/8 for that??
I'm just now watching this video, having bought this kit on "black Friday weekend" for $179. Already using daily (motorcycle mechanic) the 3/8 impact, 3/8 angle impact, and 3/8 long reach "torque" ratchet. It's the 5year warranty that attached me, having gotten burned by our Snap on dealer for $700, and 6 months later i paid $130 for the rebuild...?
That is pretty darn impressive! Milwaukee is putting some crazy power into those 12 V tools. The thing is, daily in and out use and longevity can only be measured by time load in the regular affects of the work environment. I wonder if one of those things can make it past the warranty. Without being sent in.
Fantastic review thanks Tim. I am after a compact combo set and am considering these or perhaps the Dewalt 805 drill and 850 impact driver with power stack combo. Very different tools but great to see such compact powerful tools
I'd say grab the dewalt or maybe the dewalt dcf840 slimmer but slightly longer than the 850 but with more power unless you need a selector switch. The 805 hammer drill is perfect. Once you get used to the 18v then maybe consider this milwaukee 12v combo. Can't go wrong with it.
Did they improve the clutch for the drill? The digital clutch would often be too strong for finishing or trim screws even on the lowest setting. I have to do a two step process to run down to get close to seating the fastener and pull the trigger again to get a better clutch reaction for small torque amounts.
I'm sure what the spec's are on my 9yrold Ryobi P238 1/4Hex driver, but it's twice the size of the that little M12 Hex driver. That's crazy good power from such a small package.
I’d get the kit, but honestly after I got my impact driver I never reach for my hammer drill driver anymore, I may not be doing things right, but the impact always gets the job done for me
Since the new M12 impact driver is even more OP, i took upon myself to rename the 4 speeds; Speed 1: eco-mode Speed 2: normal/work mode Speed 3: sport mode Screw mode: 2-step/launch control.
@@Joey-yq5se LOL no, it’s based off the electronic throttle modes on mine and my buddy’s can am outlanders, which does the same thing essentially, (eco mode: smooth, slow power delivery, work mode: less abrupt clutch engagement, and finally sport mode: full gusto, shit your pants power with many accidental wheelies) lol
I can get past the m12 bulge at the base of the handle but i cant understand why they have to angle the tool up. If this is so ergonomic why doesnt it carry over to M18 or other brands? If not for that angle id be all over these. The tool angle was a big deciding factor when I chose to sell my m12 stubby imp wrench.
@@Shoptoolreviews Awh it does perfectly fine actually on speed 1 with a medium/small paddle. I’ve had them for about 2 1/2 years now still going strong. Only issues with Milwaukee have been my m18 HO 8.0 both went bad within a year.
Question: If I carry this impact driver in my truck. Can I use it to remove the lug nuts when I get a flat tire? I just need it to replace a single tire. Not looking to do tire rotations.
I would get a cheap Ryobi 3/8 impact for that kind of task. Don't need it often and cheap enough to not care if it gets stolen, and it's an impact wrench which is what you want for such a task
I think you should try some different timbers like oak, maple and some bricks / concrete and some lag / coach bolts otherwise your results are somewhat limited, perhaps.
The 2nd gen version of these are fantastic, these look to be minor upgrades, probably not worth upgrading from 2nd gen, but for anything older or a new buyer, highly recommended. Also, I don’t understand the people who complain about the handle size. I have smaller hands (wear a “large” glove, but can fit in a medium, a bit snugly), and I have no issue with the M12 handles. For people who wear a “small” glove, I suppose it could possibly be an issue.
Very good points. You are correct, I wouldn't buy the Gen 3 if I was on the Gen 2 platform, other than the impact driver light. Handle bulge and size doesn't bother us either, but it is worth mentioning. Thanks for watching.
I agree. I would say my hands are small but the tool feels perfect to me. Maybe it's the 5'0 dwarfs having an issue with the size? I'm "only" 5'9 and the tools feel pretty tiny to me...
I'm curious how they stack up against the outgoing 2nd gen, since they have been marked down to make room for the 3rd. I don't necessarily need "all" the power, so if they're "close enough" I'll save a buck and get 2nd gen while they're still available.
Great video! I’m in both the M12 and Ridgid 18v platforms. Since you tested both, what are your thoughts on the M12 Fuel Gen 3 vs the Ridgid subcompact Gen 2 tools? Overall, in your opinion, is the performance about the same, or do you give the edge to one compact line over the other? Thanks Tim!
Granted everyone has different hands, but I’ve never understood the complaints about the grip size. I’m 5’6” and have no issue, obviously my hands are far from large given my height.
My biggest issue with the Gen 2 isn't the size or power. Its the clutch. It doesn't have enough resistance. Everytime I go to use it, it switches modes. Or in the middle of drilling, it moves moves. It's super annoying.
The Hammer drill seems perfectly suited for an installation driver, all you could need. With those large hole hog type bits im not sure why they dont just make a set to attach to a Milwaukee mid torque imoact wrench Seems like a impact would be ideal for drilling thise large hole to stop kickback. @ Shop Tool Reviews Maybe you could recommend to Milwaukee thry try making a set of Augers that attach to a 3/8 & 1/2 anvil I bet it works, I donit with my impact driver and hex spade bits all the time
I’m about to grab this drill bare tool with free 2.5 HO battery, and the Surge kit with 2 batteries and free 2.5 HO battery. I’ve decided it’s time to augment my HO battery supply.
I greatly enjoy your videos; you do a really good job of explaining and testing the tools. I have a couple of suggestions: 1. Nobody cares if the handle is wider at the bottom of the 12V impact driver. That's not worth your audience's time. 2. On your drill tests with the hammer drill, you are driving at an angle and that causes the drill bit to bind. It is harder to drill wood at an angle. Next time, make sure you are square to the board, and your drill bit probably won't bind. Once again, your video is excellent - great job!
My gen 2 kit seems to do fine, I do like the lights on the gen 3 but eh, I'm fine for now. Wonder if they'll come out with a new surge too? My most used tool BY FAR
@@Shoptoolreviews still have around a grand orso of m18s mojaroty of them are collecting dust as the m12 feels better in my hands and has plenty of beans to get what I need done. Not to mention can hang from my pocket with no belt! Hope they give us the tri-lights on the surge. THAT I'll go out n buy
Run the breakaway test again when you can pair the 3453 with the XC5.0 HO battery! I know that lil’ guy can be pushed a little harder. Looking forward to getting mine soon!
Impact is well made and definitely worth it, but when buying a drill it’s realistic to shoot for it to be more powerful than compact. M12 impact and m18 hammer drill driver is the way to go
I have a question I’ve never owned any of these tools but I want to buy this set. Can I use any drill bit to make holes on metal with this set? Or do I need to buy specific drill bits for these? Can you guys please help?
I have some home depots that have these in stock i wanna buy the set but idk if i should wait till labor day because maybe they might have a special with the new set should i wait or just buy it now ?
Just a quick heads-up. the M12 drill appears to have enough torque to drive large wood bits, but the bits are binding because your wrist is twisting. I think if you were able to keep the drill centered (which admittedly is difficult), the drill would have gone straight through the block.
Hello again Shop Tool Reviews Thank you for another Great Video 👍 Where is this on sale at for $229.00? Do you know if a ratchet will offer? Again thank you 😊
Does the drill driver still have the trigger delay "feature" on the lower torque settings that they had on gen 2? I found it to be very annoying and will definitely upgrade if they eliminated it.
There is no trigger delay on the Gen 3 M12 hammer drill. I own it and after three generations, it's now finally pretty much perfect for a 12V drill. The upgrade to a mechanical clutch is reason enough to upgrade from Gen 2.
Large holesaw drilling of 2 3/4 " and up size is the toughest testing for most drills. That included corded drills. This test will show who's the peewee, and whose the incredible HULK.
Hey guys, have a question on your opinions. I've been thinking of getting rid of dewalt atomic kit for these. I hear they are more compact and I don't do construction work mostly small project. The most I'd use is probably a hole saw or forstner. Will this be a good trade off or just stick with the atomics??
12V tools have replaced my 18 volt ones. I have very little 18 volt tools left. I no longer need an 18V impact driver, these are amazing! The 2.5 HO is perfect for these too
I can not believe that little impact driver just took off 225 ft lbs with a half dead 2.0 battery and an adapter. The next M12 stubby impacts are going to absolutely rip. I could see them ripping off 550 ft lbs
We can't wait to see that. Thanks for watching.
I'm patiently waiting for the next gen M12 stubby impact wrench, whenever it may come. It's sure to be a monster.
I can not believe the 1/4" hex surviving the test!
The current Stubbies are at the top of the heap and not that old, what makes you think they're due for replacement? My bet is they will be around for a while yet.
My snap on 1/2” 18V impact can’t do that. I’m serious
I burnt up a whole set of Ryobi drills and impacts on a previous job. 5 tools in all
On fire literally.
Needed some tools to build a 10x12 shed and 2x8 pt platform for it.
Grabbed the combo set you talked about at HD for $199, with a free High Output 2.5.
I built the entire base on the 4.5, on the charge from the box.
And then built the entire shed with the 2.0 and it’s charge from the box.
I haven’t even touched the drill yet!
At the end of the job, I got gifted a m18 surge 1/4 hex impact and new Xc 6.0
SMH
🎉 the Lord Provides!
Got all that for $214! Haha
God bless great video! I now know the true deal I got!
well well tell me you dont know how to use a tool without telling me you dont know how to use a tool. 🤣
My batteries wouldn't even take a charge. Found out the charger has to be plugged in before inserting the batteries. Odd.
I have 1990s Ryobis with 25+ year old batteries that still work every single day
@@Swampytherootthat’s likely a safety feature.
The 12v tool lineup has to be the most handy tools they make, especially for mechanics.
Man these are good looking tools. Just ordered my kit, can’t wait for it to come in. The gen 2 impact has been used everyday since it came out and hasn’t let me down.
I have the gen 2 kit also. Would you happen to know what the difference is with the gen 3? I can't believe he didn't mention that unless I missed it. I just don't see any difference.
One of the best reviews of this tool combo. Thanks
This is the video that made me go get this kit. I’m a new home owner DIYing things. It was this vs the m18 non fuel.
Honestly the non fuel isn't bad. As long as it's brushless
I just got the M12 FID2 Gen 3 impact driver. This is my first Milwaukee product and I am loving it!
Great vid Tim! Looks like you got about 550 from the M18 and 225-250 from the M12 here. We're also seeing the M12 make 1/2 of the M18, which surprised me at 1st
Thanks for the info! That's good to know. For a 2-lb tool, it's crazy what these things are delivering.
@@Shoptoolreviews thats a good point
@@TorqueTestChannel yah not looking for the maximum uga-duggas, looking for size to fit job use
I’m still happy with my gen 2 might get it with a promotion later on no rush
Me too. Maybe Black Friday. Lol
Some people are saying there's a hack deal to get these in the deal of the day. You may want to do some research.
@@Shoptoolreviews it’s the gen 2 version that are hackable not gen 3
I picked up the gen 2 combo last week for 130 from HD. Should I return it and pick up the gen 3? Is it worth the $100 for the new gen?
@@KnKn-rr9ri I don't think so, I've seen the comparison on drilling in different fasteners and the Gen 2 performance seems to be right there with the Gen 3
Got mine yesterday.. I work at Home Depot, I grabbed it as soon as it came off the truck.. wasn’t even put out for sale… and it was the only m12 combo kit that came in 😂🤣😂.. we got a bunch of the new m18s tho
Love the 3 led lights...reminds me of my Dewalt 20v 1/2" impact wrench.
Yes, we love the 3-LEDs as well. Thanks for watching.
Considering this is pressure treated wood, that switchblade did a pretty good job.
It looks like I'm going to have to add Milwaukee's 12 volt lineup to my Milwaukee platform
As usual another Awesome Video!!
Checking in from mid Tn.
I no longer do building and remodeling for a living. Im on rocking chair time these days.. I started buying the M12 Fuel tools a few years ago and I have been nothing but impressed. I will put them up against many 18/20 volt for power. Unless you are working your tools hard every day I cannot imagine that these M12 Fuel tools would not be enough.
Plus if you look at everything that Milwaukee offers in that line you should not do without. Now with the new HP batteries you should be all set.
Thanks again for another great video brother.
Stay strong.
Just a tip when drilling with the hole saw and small drill is that the blade must be 90o to the work, check your 14:12, the blade is on an angle and requiring double the torque .
I just bought the combo kit for $229, and Milwaukee is running a deal right now there they throw in an *additional* CP2.0 battery. So for $229, you get the 3404 hammer drill, 3453 impact driver, *two* CP2.0 batteries, one XC4.0 battery, a charger, and a case. Pretty incredible value. I can sell my lightly used Gen 2 stuff and get into these Gen 3 tools for very little money.
If u do the 229 deal with the 2.0 battery u can get a refund on the 2.0 and get 50 back. So the kit cost 180 essentially
Would’ve liked to see the drill/driver drilling some metal. I’m an electrician and drill a lot of steel cabinets for knock out punches (7/8 holes for example) or use a step bit on cabinets. My old gen 2 m12 drill struggled with those tasks big time, I’d like to see how this would fare in a similar task before I purchased
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu how do you get a refund on the 2.0? I just got the kit for $199 from Home depot with the 3 batteries
@@chonch12414 just go to customer service (returns) and say u want a refund on the let's say 2.0. On the receipt it tells u the refund amount.
@@JesusPerez-yc6yu makes sense. They actually threw in a HO 2.5 battery. But might he worth getting refund to go towards another XC
I have the M18 FUEL combo and just bought this set recently. The size and power is incredible, I legit see no reason to buy the M18 unless you're a working professional. Average homeowner this is more than enough.
It’s insane what these 12v tools will do. This is my favorite channel to watch tool reviews. And I’ve been waiting (what feels like) forever to see more about the new M12 impact and drill. Considering the power tools like this, and the M12 stubby can make, do you guys think we will ever see a 12 V mid torque?
I've also been waiting forever for this. It's unfortunate that he wasn't able to use the new M12 high output 5.0 battery. According to Milwaukee it increases power by 25% which probably would have made that 1" auger go through without an issue. Stay tuned. I was looking at jumping to M18 because I need the extra grunt from the 1/2" drill, but now I should be able to stay all M12.
He also was not drilling properly by going straight into the wood.
Great review! Just got mine the other day. Watching your video further sells me on my purchase 😎
Hope you enjoy it! Thanks for watching.
i inherited a first gen m12 kit from my pops, i use em for assembling at my job, but i just upgraded to the gen 3, man its a world of difference
The impact is huge power in a itty bitty packing! And the tri-light is bright as heck you can definitely see the difference. I just got my impact Tuesday and been using the crap out of it! I can’t wait to pair it with the New HO m12 battery they came out with! I just got the gen 2 m12 hammer drill and from what I can see there wasn’t that big of a difference over all! So I won’t up grade that it’s basically brand new still! But that impact was amazing
I would say the mode ring is way better that the gen 2 the impact mode are more spaced apart from the drill mode and you don't accidentally put the drill on the 12 mode really annoying
apart from this they upgraded the led ligth to be more like thevrest of the true view color and the chuck is a little better but nothing to really brag about
Great review, thank you. Very happy with my 3497-22 combination kit.
Great review Tim! I bought the m12 Gen 3 and it is more powerful than Gen 2. I also bought the m18 Gen4 and ended up returning it was garbage compared to my Gen 3. The battery deal was great with the Gen 4 but does not have the guts of Gen 3.
I went from working on cars for BMW to a general contractor. I love both jobs. The funny part is that I went from snap-on to Milwaukee. The price difference definitely help my wallet.
And how's the difference in quality? I'm a general contractor who also works on cars all the time. I have a small fleet of f150s of various ages that I work on myself. (I am actually rebuilding suspension in one this weekend and will start building a new tranny for another over the next week) I never owned snap ons and they'd always seemed ridiculously priced to me. I use dewalt 20v tools for all of my construction tools and we're talking about a lot of tools. Love them, wouldn't get anything else. I also have the big 20v impact wrench from dewalt for lug nuts and such. Then I have some 12v Makita specialty construction tools. The quality of those japanese tools is very high and they have an interesting selection. Now lastly, I have a huge selection of m12s for all of my automotive needs + plumbing tools (the m12 copper tube cutter and stapler are the best things since sliced bread). Now as to Milwaukee m18, I really just find it a little but overpriced and would recommend the DeWalts to anyone. But for the 12v stuff, Milwaukee definitely beats the competition!
Also Harbor Freight ICON tools and some older Pittsburghh Pro are my choice for sockets, hand ratchets and stuff. My oldest set of HF sockets (a 3 decker set with a couple hundred pieces) has lasted me a decade at this point and only a handful of sockets broke. So definitely don't be afraid of Harbor Freight, especially when it comes of their newer stuff. It's surprisingly high quality.
@@creepyunclephil I haven't had a problem with snap-on. I was a Mechanic for 14 years. The price difference was a big difference i went from 46,000 in snap on down to 12,000 on milwaukee, Ridgid, makita and dewalt tools. My wife was happy that I don't spend that much in tools. The only good part about snap on most of the tools that I had I sold for near the same price the I paid for it. I think I'm addicted to pack out because if you saw my Garage you would say the same thing.
@@creepyunclephilicon sockets low quality for the price
I’ve seen this drill perform better in other videos using an xc6.0 battery. It’s actually a pretty impressive set, plus you can get a free battery.
It’s also nice that it has a 1/2” chuck.
I actually also like the grip, even though it’s a little fat. The gen 4 m18 grip feels long and skinny to me.
I have both M12 & M18 . Love my M12's the same as my M18 's. Great video once again , and have a great night 👌
Thanks very much. Appreciate the positive feedback.
I have this M12 Hammer Drill and Impact driver set. I torqued my truck lug nuts to the 140 spec and the Impact driver will not break it loose. Not even close.
It will barely brake loose my car lugs at 80. I used a new high output XC 5.0.
Just bought the combo kit from Home Depot for $199 and it also came with a 2.5 ah high output battery along with the 2.0 and 4.0 battery. What a great deal.
I just bought the same. Great deal! Maiming buying for the drill and 2.5 ho battery.
Drill- Packedge in typical box, came with a tool bag (added bonus), two batteries, one charger, drill, and driver. Two words "plenty of Torque" ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv well I guess that's three. Nice upgrade from current setup. Has belt clips, I don't think I will be using those. Driver and drill were bigger than what I expected but it is an upgrade from the current setup. For the money I would say that this is a great setup for Professionals and DIY/Weekend warriors.
Just got a steal on the gen 2 Fuel kit. These tools are unreal for their size.
Nothing wrong with the Gen 2 stuff either. Great find.
These tools really love the 6.0. There’s a palpable difference even between the 4.0 and 6.0 with both tools. Really interested in any possible gains from the HO 5.0 and 2.0s.
The 6.0 XC uses a 2 banks of Samsung 30Q cells. This gives it a continuous rating of 30A. The new HO most likely uses Samsung 25S cells, giving it a continuous rating of 50A. That should equate to a huge jumo in power for high demand tools, and a lot less cutting out of tools.
@@procrastinator1842torquetestchannel did some messing around with these.. not much of a difference between the 6.0 and the HO batteries… came to the conclusion the tool itself is pretty much maxed out with the 6.0 so anything more doesn’t make a difference.
@s rooster It does make a big difference on things that draw a stall current. The 13mm hammer drill and sds hammer drill for instance. Big difference. Not so much for impact drivers which never see stall torque because the impact mechanism is basically a type of clutch.
Oh yea, awesome tools for DIY mechanic, also got the 3/8 stubby 2554-22 kit for the tough jobs, anything tougher i crack it loose with a breaker bar
Does the hammer drill have a hammer only function to be used like a mini air hammer/chisel? Basically can you turn the rotation off
No.
I just got a hell of a deal on the combo, as I bought it packaged with the cutoff saw and a 2.5 ah battery for the low price of $270.
14:35 hahaha the vice was even caught off guard with this test 😂
Wow, that’s impressive and awesome video, thanks for sharing ‼️💪🏻🙌🏻🔥
I was using the impact driver to drive screws into wood and it kept stopping, is this a defect?
Looks like for the bigger tasks the 18V would work better with that drill. It busted through that cinder block… impressive. Impact driver is even more impressive could pull 250lbs nut, especially with a 1/2” upgrade. Bought this kit over X-Mas for $179 w/ add’l 2.5 battery. It’s been a massive upgrade over Ryobi.
I just got the same pack Today, I’m new to tools in general and I was kinda bummed out when I found out there was the M18 series after I purchased this but so far so good with all the reviews.
@@LUCASPELUCAS777 True, but for around the house my M12 is kicking ass. If I need to pull lug nuts I’ll have to get a M18 1/2” or 3/8”. I’d make sure you;re using the High Output batteries on that M12, they get a lot more power.
@@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM Thanks man will do, I got myself the M18 brushless 2 pack for sale yesterday for only 189$ it’s not the fuel but I’m glad to have something more powerful just in case I need it. I can always get the m18 fuel later on. Thanks for the advice man 🤙
GREAT video. Love the torture test.
can you use the hammer drill as an impact driver? Ideally want three in one drill/ hammer drill and impact driver but only for screws not bolts! Already have a 3/8 for that??
Just got the combo today on sale 199$ at Farm and Fleet. Also comes with a handy bag.
That's a really good deal.
I'm just now watching this video, having bought this kit on "black Friday weekend" for $179. Already using daily (motorcycle mechanic) the 3/8 impact, 3/8 angle impact, and 3/8 long reach "torque" ratchet. It's the 5year warranty that attached me, having gotten burned by our Snap on dealer for $700, and 6 months later i paid $130 for the rebuild...?
Is that impact driver a 1/4? maybe thats why it cant loosen 275 pounds?
That is pretty darn impressive! Milwaukee is putting some crazy power into those 12 V tools. The thing is, daily in and out use and longevity can only be measured by time load in the regular affects of the work environment. I wonder if one of those things can make it past the warranty. Without being sent in.
Have had good luck with Dewalt brushless, ACDelco cordless brushless - they seem to do good long term.
Fantastic review thanks Tim. I am after a compact combo set and am considering these or perhaps the Dewalt 805 drill and 850 impact driver with power stack combo. Very different tools but great to see such compact powerful tools
I'd say grab the dewalt or maybe the dewalt dcf840 slimmer but slightly longer than the 850 but with more power unless you need a selector switch. The 805 hammer drill is perfect. Once you get used to the 18v then maybe consider this milwaukee 12v combo. Can't go wrong with it.
Get Milwaukee in a Labor Day deal at Home Depot rn
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Did they improve the clutch for the drill? The digital clutch would often be too strong for finishing or trim screws even on the lowest setting.
I have to do a two step process to run down to get close to seating the fastener and pull the trigger again to get a better clutch reaction for small torque amounts.
I'm sure what the spec's are on my 9yrold Ryobi P238 1/4Hex driver, but it's twice the size of the that little M12 Hex driver.
That's crazy good power from such a small package.
I’d get the kit, but honestly after I got my impact driver I never reach for my hammer drill driver anymore, I may not be doing things right, but the impact always gets the job done for me
Yep same here buddy, lol
Is it still an electronic clutch? That’s the one thing I can’t stand and just won’t use. Love the drill other than that
No electronic clutch. You can hear the mechanical clutch when Tim tried drill the 4th hole in speed 1. He then adjusted it so it wouldn’t slip.
Since the new M12 impact driver is even more OP, i took upon myself to rename the 4 speeds;
Speed 1: eco-mode
Speed 2: normal/work mode
Speed 3: sport mode
Screw mode: 2-step/launch control.
@@Joey-yq5se LOL no, it’s based off the electronic throttle modes on mine and my buddy’s can am outlanders, which does the same thing essentially, (eco mode: smooth, slow power delivery, work mode: less abrupt clutch engagement, and finally sport mode: full gusto, shit your pants power with many accidental wheelies) lol
What is the make / model of the electronic torque wrench you used during the torque test? That thing is awesome!
Can you please tell me what hex bit you used on the test where it took off 250 ft lbs? Surprised it didn't break and now I want to buy that bit ❤
I can get past the m12 bulge at the base of the handle but i cant understand why they have to angle the tool up. If this is so ergonomic why doesnt it carry over to M18 or other brands? If not for that angle id be all over these. The tool angle was a big deciding factor when I chose to sell my m12 stubby imp wrench.
Angled up so that it'd be balanced and stand on it's own. Pure aesthetics...
Yessss I can’t wait to get these the drill is just a little bit to weak to mix a 3/4 full bucket of mud. So the extra in lbs might help
Yeah, I don't think these M12 tools should be mixing any mud. Thanks for watching.
@@Shoptoolreviews Awh it does perfectly fine actually on speed 1 with a medium/small paddle. I’ve had them for about 2 1/2 years now still going strong. Only issues with Milwaukee have been my m18 HO 8.0 both went bad within a year.
@@402SHOI’ve had problems with my HO 8.0 batteries as well. Milwaukee Customer Service has been great about replacing them though.
Try the high-output batteries for these reviews in the future, an HO 2.5 can outperform a standard 4.0
Hey can I use the M12 Impact Driver to remove the lug nuts on my car? Torque spec is only 95 ft/lbs. Lol just kidding, great review as always!
Lol, you had me for a second. I thought I was going to have to copy/paste the other 500 replies like that I've written.
Spectacular review!
Question: If I carry this impact driver in my truck. Can I use it to remove the lug nuts when I get a flat tire? I just need it to replace a single tire. Not looking to do tire rotations.
I would get a cheap Ryobi 3/8 impact for that kind of task. Don't need it often and cheap enough to not care if it gets stolen, and it's an impact wrench which is what you want for such a task
I think you should try some different timbers like oak, maple and some bricks / concrete and some lag / coach bolts otherwise your results are somewhat limited, perhaps.
The 2nd gen version of these are fantastic, these look to be minor upgrades, probably not worth upgrading from 2nd gen, but for anything older or a new buyer, highly recommended.
Also, I don’t understand the people who complain about the handle size. I have smaller hands (wear a “large” glove, but can fit in a medium, a bit snugly), and I have no issue with the M12 handles. For people who wear a “small” glove, I suppose it could possibly be an issue.
Very good points. You are correct, I wouldn't buy the Gen 3 if I was on the Gen 2 platform, other than the impact driver light. Handle bulge and size doesn't bother us either, but it is worth mentioning. Thanks for watching.
I agree. I would say my hands are small but the tool feels perfect to me. Maybe it's the 5'0 dwarfs having an issue with the size? I'm "only" 5'9 and the tools feel pretty tiny to me...
How well does the impact driver sub as a drill?
How well can that drill through mild steel with a step bit
M12 platform is perfect for finish carpentry, I should have switched over from M18 years ago
My m12 hammer drill keeps flashing all 4 lights when I semi load it up
Gotta say it's worth the impact upgrade....nice lil power tool...great review!
What if i don’t have the gen 2’s is it good if i just get the gen 3
would be nice to see how these drills perform on metal beams
I'm curious how they stack up against the outgoing 2nd gen, since they have been marked down to make room for the 3rd.
I don't necessarily need "all" the power, so if they're "close enough" I'll save a buck and get 2nd gen while they're still available.
I cant speak for the drill but the driver seems to be 20-30% better than the old fuel driver.
up to you, but these are still a fair bit smaller which is the appeal of m12 for me.
Great video! I’m in both the M12 and Ridgid 18v platforms. Since you tested both, what are your thoughts on the M12 Fuel Gen 3 vs the Ridgid subcompact Gen 2 tools? Overall, in your opinion, is the performance about the same, or do you give the edge to one compact line over the other? Thanks Tim!
thank you for the review!
Could I use the impact to change a tire and secure the bolts?
Sure, that's fine, but I'd follow up with a torque wrench. Thanks for watching.
Hi great video, what socket are you using in that impact driver, to test the torque, did not know you can use that
Wish you had a review on the 2407-20
What type of chuck is that!?
Granted everyone has different hands, but I’ve never understood the complaints about the grip size. I’m 5’6” and have no issue, obviously my hands are far from large given my height.
Is that a milwaukee socket adapter bit for the impact driver?
My biggest issue with the Gen 2 isn't the size or power.
Its the clutch. It doesn't have enough resistance. Everytime I go to use it, it switches modes. Or in the middle of drilling, it moves moves. It's super annoying.
what about the hammer mode ?
The Hammer drill seems perfectly suited for an installation driver, all you could need.
With those large hole hog type bits im not sure why they dont just make a set to attach to a Milwaukee mid torque imoact wrench
Seems like a impact would be ideal for drilling thise large hole to stop kickback.
@ Shop Tool Reviews Maybe you could recommend to Milwaukee thry try making a set of Augers that attach to a 3/8 & 1/2 anvil
I bet it works, I donit with my impact driver and hex spade bits all the time
Just got this kit after wanting the impact over 3 yrs ....impact is loud thou but I like
I’m about to grab this drill bare tool with free 2.5 HO battery, and the Surge kit with 2 batteries and free 2.5 HO battery.
I’ve decided it’s time to augment my HO battery supply.
Amazing review
I greatly enjoy your videos; you do a really good job of explaining and testing the tools. I have a couple of suggestions:
1. Nobody cares if the handle is wider at the bottom of the 12V impact driver. That's not worth your audience's time.
2. On your drill tests with the hammer drill, you are driving at an angle and that causes the drill bit to bind. It is harder to drill wood at an angle. Next time, make sure you are square to the board, and your drill bit probably won't bind.
Once again, your video is excellent - great job!
Wrong
@@timweb1510 An amusingly stupid response. Don't waste my time.
@@franklong6269you wasted your own time with your foolishness
@timweb1510 You were born stupid, you will live stupid, and you will die stupid. I can't think of a more pathetic existence.
My gen 2 kit seems to do fine, I do like the lights on the gen 3 but eh, I'm fine for now. Wonder if they'll come out with a new surge too? My most used tool BY FAR
You can't argue that the Gen2 tools are great tools. Love the Surge, but not sure if we'll see a new model yet.
@@Shoptoolreviews still have around a grand orso of m18s mojaroty of them are collecting dust as the m12 feels better in my hands and has plenty of beans to get what I need done. Not to mention can hang from my pocket with no belt! Hope they give us the tri-lights on the surge. THAT I'll go out n buy
Great video , Thank You for sharing Sir !
Run the breakaway test again when you can pair the 3453 with the XC5.0 HO battery! I know that lil’ guy can be pushed a little harder. Looking forward to getting mine soon!
We'll run some additional tests when we get the NEW M12 batteries in. Thanks for watching.
Impact is well made and definitely worth it, but when buying a drill it’s realistic to shoot for it to be more powerful than compact. M12 impact and m18 hammer drill driver is the way to go
M12 breaking 250 ft lbs lol is a lot. how much fastening ?
I have a question I’ve never owned any of these tools but I want to buy this set. Can I use any drill bit to make holes on metal with this set? Or do I need to buy specific drill bits for these? Can you guys please help?
You need metal drill bits ofc, but you can use any brand you want.
I have some home depots that have these in stock i wanna buy the set but idk if i should wait till labor day because maybe they might have a special with the new set should i wait or just buy it now ?
Just a quick heads-up. the M12 drill appears to have enough torque to drive large wood bits, but the bits are binding because your wrist is twisting. I think if you were able to keep the drill centered (which admittedly is difficult), the drill would have gone straight through the block.
Hello again Shop Tool Reviews
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 Where is this on sale at for $229.00? Do you know if a ratchet will offer?
Again thank you 😊
Do they make the 1/4 with an ANVIL as compact is what I need but 1/4 ANVIL tho. Got the 1/4 A/CDelco impact that is brushless super compact.
Strange that it seems like the m12 impact and drilll seem to have the most iterations compared to other m12 tools
Does the drill driver still have the trigger delay "feature" on the lower torque settings that they had on gen 2? I found it to be very annoying and will definitely upgrade if they eliminated it.
There is no trigger delay on the Gen 3 M12 hammer drill. I own it and after three generations, it's now finally pretty much perfect for a 12V drill. The upgrade to a mechanical clutch is reason enough to upgrade from Gen 2.
Do you ever think that they will ever have a fuel gauge on their batteries, after all they did come out with 2 new m12 batteries.
Large holesaw drilling of 2 3/4 " and up size is the toughest testing for most drills.
That included corded drills.
This test will show who's the peewee, and whose the incredible HULK.
What's the better battery, 6amp or 5 HO amp?
Hey guys, have a question on your opinions. I've been thinking of getting rid of dewalt atomic kit for these. I hear they are more compact and I don't do construction work mostly small project. The most I'd use is probably a hole saw or forstner. Will this be a good trade off or just stick with the atomics??
Great video