This is the first time I’m completely on Dusty’s side on a topic lmao..Legends Arceus does not deserve to be hated on by Soul..dude said it became stale on his first play through ..like yea bro maybe the game just ain’t for u lol. Legends Arceus = Peak. And you of all people should know the muddiness is intentional due to the artstyle my guy 😢
Soul's distaste for the Kalos Starters getting Megas confuses the hell out of me tbh. This is the chance to finally give them access to the gimmick THEIR GENERATION INTRODUCED!!!!!!!!!! Like I understand wanting something else cos yeah it might seem a little predictable, but at this point I want the Kalos Starters (in particular Chesnaught and Delphox) to get the love they deserve and the Mega Evolutions they should've had.
So there is a big discussion about what a legends game is. People say it’s the gameplay, others say it’s the time period. What if it’s just the fact that you are a previous player character getting pulled from after their game. I think this is the formula because what happens to your character after the games? Most disappear and fade into legend! For example the player character from kalos defeats Lysander in his timeline. After the main story they get pulled by argues to go help another timeline that Lysander wasn’t defeated. This game is now in the “future” because the world was sent back to the Stone Age and you were sent to rebuild civilization. And eventually through the campaign you meet Lysander and defeat him.
Agree with Dusty. How can Soul say it's not a legends game when we only have one game to go off. None of us knows what makes a legends game a legends game
This has been my biggest gripe each time that question is asked. Like bro we literally can’t say what makes a legends game a legends game if we’ve only had 1 game to base it off of lol
I think he was trying to say it wasn't a POKÉMON MAIN game. Like it doesn't feel fulfilling like a new generation game. He wants NEW most everything and not just a game in th3 same regions with the same pokemon 😅
Soul makes some really strong points on the PLA, PLZA, and SV discussions in the first half. Might have been slightly misunderstood but I’m on board with him. Great episode boys!
I would’ve honestly liked ZA to be in the past we could of had two starters one group being regional forms and the Kalos starters getting megas along with some regional forms getting megas along with mega zygaurde and zeraora
35:00 kinda agree with soul on this one if all we gets a few megas and its just a xy two. I am not sold on this game. The things that made pla special was it was set in the past then normal pokemon games for me. And the mixed starters.
@ because we already know pokemon and the future are not very creative with it. They already have a fantastical world where they have futureistic qualities like worm whole devices time machines teleporters and stuff. And the future paradox pokemon. They dont have very much creativity for a far future game. And looking at places like black city theres not much they could do other then cyberpunk stuff. Past gives them much more creative freedom to flesh out story and past lore
We will look back on SV as the point where Pokémon storytelling grew up in a significant manner. So many different threads, so much backstory, heartache, the lot. SV might have disappointed for graphics and overall playability, but the storylines were exceptional and frankly area zero is peak Pokemon. The DLCs were excellent, overall, with some really intriguing stuff going on with the whole Kitakami trio and Pecharunt. Just one man’s opinion, but I have played every gen and every main line game.
copium, generation four definitely had the most in depth storytelling, laying out the fundamentals of the concepts of the multiverse like willpower, knowledge, emotion, space, time, anti-matter, & spirit. even the one who created it all
@@dragonemperorpainter I never said generation 4 wasn’t good. However, SV absolutely had the better storylines. Way more adult and real, actually able to relate to all ages in a lot of different ways. I defy you to tell me that the Titan storyline wasn’t a tearjerker at the end.
I really hate that Dusty ALWAYS interrupts Lumi 💙 and Soul when they are talking, like bruh chill and wait for them to finish. Keep it inside for a second
Why are we assuming a legends game needs to be set in the past, needs all these formats. We've had one game. Its not enough to eatablish a format. Let them cooook
31:28 Why does soul think that if the starters get a mega then they wont have regional forms or evolutions? They could get both and be used completely different from the standard forms while coming with a more unique look.
Love you guys and thanks for another great episode. Found you guys about a month ago and have been watching all the old episodes. You guys rock and are easily my favorite poke channel and Podcasters in general.
Big ups to y'all! This podcast is still so fulfilling. I will admit that I am not too geeked about watching the episodes about leaks and cut content, and that helps me appreciate the variety that y'all provide for satisfying our cravings. Yet let me encourage y'all that several mentions in this episode do nudge me to go peep those episodes I was not so geeked about before. For someone who enjoys surprises, I should not self sabotage me from receiving them now. 😅😅 Now Dusty, I desire to share something, especially since it is known that you love Crystal and Hoenn! I am currently playing through Emerald SeaGlass. It is an Emerald romhack, incorporating the 2nd gen graphics for the overworld and battle sprites, battle backgrounds, modern mechanics (somewhere in between 7th-9th gen), pokémon from up to 9th gen, added events, and extensive options. They also added types to pokémon, even some who I have only heard y'all mention needs these extra types (water/steel for Blastoise, grass/fairy for Meganium, flying/ground for Doduo line, electric/fighting for Electivire, water/normal for Politoad, ect!!) I continue to be surprised by this game. It really has been awesome and such a nostalgia kick, like it was made for the fans. You were the first person who I thought of in playing this.. lol
39:11 I way prefer the Legends: Arceus gameplay. I hate catching Pokemon the normal way. I love throwing the Pokeballs around freely. The game is not muddy, I’ve been playing it, that’s just a false statement. The only things that look bad are large rock faces and the water. Because of repeating textures. That’s it.
@@Impresario_zero most his takes on pokemon are bad lmao. But i will agree with za if its not set in the past, no mixed starters tale will make me less excited for plza.
58:30 Preach Lumi! I've had Shines I got from a trade or forgot it was from a trade and terrified to go into VCG because it might be flagged. You can't tell if it's hacked or not but it passes the checks to be traded, have legit stats and moves.
Theory: in Z-A Zeraora and Rayquaza will threaten the ecosystem of Kalos, Zygarde will intervene but will be required to mega to defeat them. Possibly two alternative mega version to deal specifically with them, like they had in mind for Pokémon Z (accoring to teraleak content, wolf to chase down Xerneas and cannons to take down Yveltal)
You know how the 6 Gen legendaries are called the „Aura Trio“ and Zeraora‘s name kinda sounds like Zera(Aura)? And also all of them have the same shiny concept? I don’t know it just makes so much sense to me
I'm guessing that the Paris Catacombs is going to actually be the main part of the game, because there's huge amounts of areas they could do underneath Lumiose without ever technically leaving it.
I think after the shiny Rayquaza raid we might get the other legendary hero pokemon I won't specify who the others are to minimize spoilers for horizons. But they would make sense, we finished off the starters most likely (unless we are getting mightiest mark paldean starters cause I don't think we've had those)
For the raid I guess maybe they do more of the hero pokemon like shiny rayquaza maybe do it in how they debut like Arboliva, Moltres and such and give them moves that is like how they give Ash' journeys team with all of their details and stats
@59:25 I understand Dusty’s perspective on considering the casual but Lumi here spitting facts. The pain from the eyes of a long time fan is while we do appreciate GameFreak trying and doing new things we desperately want them to smooth out the things and better refine them rather than throw out concepts and ideas every generation as they have been. We want the *chef kiss* put into one game rather than cool concepts spread throughout ten. But thanks GF’s logic they want past regions to have their “uniqueness” but that’s at the cost of us having a better final product. The way other franchises evolve while still retaining their changes like Monster Hunter as an example. The newest one coming out has all the best features of the last three games that had their own spins almost exactly like PLA compared to SV. We want something that has the best of both worlds.
I want a Pokémon game where you can either choose to be.I Pokémon researcher and go out and just evolves your pokemon And research and discover new pokemon or be a Coordinator or battle gyms
But historical Kalos would look very different from historical Sinnoh, it wouldn't remotely feel like the same game if they did that. And they should have done that to show that difference.
1:22:50 it honestly defently ruined any possibility for PLZA news this year: personal data of employees were also leaked so tthey are probably currently focusing on restructuring the company and remaking all the passwords and internal storage data, taking time.
A wild take here, but I think legends was set up to purposely introduce the concepts of past and future to align with Gen 9. Given this I believe ZA will be a direct sequel to the franchise and that will be it. The A might reference the concept of bringing it back to Arceus story in some way, creating a time loop / paradox, which is the main theme of SV. Given the focus on Gen 4 and 6 to tell this story, the in between is Gen 5 which will be next for a legit remake, but I’d be surprised if Legends continues after this. They’ll probably go with a whole different idea once Gen 10 is introduced.
Ok three things 1) what if we also get a yggdrasil pokemon 2) what if it is all megas and we get 1 Kalos starter 1 Kanto starter and one hoenen starter 3) I'm positive that we are getting some form of regional variants one way or another
As a vgc player I agree, we want this to be easier for the casual audience or new players who might want to try vgc after their experience. To grow the game that way if they are interested. I also agree megas will be the only new thing, my only thing is they mega into a “new form” and type changes. They can’t make new megas and new region forms, too many designs imo. I’ll wait till we get footage but sounds kinda meh to miss, but I won’t because it’s Pokemon.
I say we still get mixed starters 😊 BUT Kalos style... we get a choice between the 3 OGs of the game as second mega capable Pokémon. Like Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle were. Riddler never gives the whole picture... if he knows. Subverting expectations 😅
I feel like gen 10 will be early 2026 and the dlc will be unova for 15th anniversary johto for 25th anniversary and kanto for 30th anniversary with those being dlc it keeps gen 10 relevant while also getting kanto johto and unova
Don’t see that happening since they’ll want to maximize their profits so putting it all into one game wouldn’t be the right idea now unless it’s the last pokemon game.
Legends Arceus is a wonderful game - what makes it stand out is that is made for gamers. One can easily feel the inspiration from JRPGs - even more so with the feeling of the game and how hard the final boss was with different stages. If you only like the original PKMN formula, I can understand the expectation throws off those players - but I feel they clearly see that gameplay - or at least they tested the waters - as the future of the franchise and any gamer appreciates the high quality of that game. SV is nowhere near as polished as PLA ( not saying PLA was perfect ) and you can clearly see the love for Pokémon from the Devs on PLA, for sure. The art, music and the animation of moves… SV feels like it felt victim of the developers desires to go full open world. Riding / catching overworld and surely more stuff to come IMO is what they see this gameplay as their core moving forward, but without leaving the battle aspect, of course, which we all love to see it get better and better
Okay Big stretch here but on the Anaheim poster what if each of the starters we see actually get a type change in their final form? Fennekin it's really close to jiggly wearing a bow. Then he got froakie vanillish, chespin by toedscool wearing a hat. I don't know, but maybe their final forms change and types change to represent one of these other pokémon
Ok but actually, IF ZetA is in the future, what’s stopping them from expanding Lumiose to absorb the surrounding routes and locations? Think about how fast and large cities are growing today.
I think legends games are about the “legend” happening. If the world still feels interactive, you can bring your entire team out, there’s new forms of existing Pokemon and you’re really immersed into the world than I’m down for it. I don’t really like Kalos and it’s Pokémon though ☹️ I hope it’s a mix of new forms and a few new megas. I’d prefer more new forms
I find it so frustrating when people firmly disagree with you even though they aren’t certain themselves. Why say “no that’s wrong” instead of “that’s not how I remember it” and then look it up?
my idea comes from a song from yaosobi that was mayde with gen 9 carakters visual and a line of the song is: " ABC to the XYZ " XYZ is eather for the gen 6 anime or Xernias Yveltal and Zygard.... sso does that mean whe get an A B and C legendary that is a counterpart the the other 3
I find it so funny you guys keep talking about how sad you’ll be without regional variants. Regional variants are here to stay, probably in every new game. But MEGAS? This might be our LAST chance for megas in the next decade or even two. I want as many new megas as possible this time around. If that means no regionals that’s fine.
1:07:25 legends arceus replayability sucks…I restarted it to get enamorous for my husband. And it took ages to unlock her 🤦🏻♀️ that’s even with me speeding through as much as possible. I refuse to play it again. It was fun the first time for novelty. But yeah it sucks.
The sales numbers of sv and swsh are only so high because I think they used lgpe to get a lot of kanto fans back on the switch and then used bdsp and legends arceus to get a lot of sinnoh fans back on the switch. I think the switch games sales numbers are so high only because it’s actually a lot of the older players buying them and we are starting to get annoyed. I’m sure there are still kids that buy it too, but I bet you the percentage is way less than what it used to be. and if you look at the most popular games for kids nowadays, Pokémon definitely isn’t one of them. its like roblox and minecraft and fortnite or warzone. also to me legends arceus was overall a great game only because of the plot and ability to die and get attacked. It was way too tedious and annoying with the research tasks. What they need to do is introduce action style battling without taking away turn based by using something like the synchro machine to switch between and stop making their games so tedious. allow us to just generate any stat ability or move that we want without them being hacked.
I feel like the idea of concern is too much. It's the kind of attitude that naturally happens when you don't have enough information about something big. It is suspicious to not hear anything other than Mega Pokemon. Although honestly, it's really unbelievable that a near finished copy of the game has been around in the public and there has been no spoilers from that. It honestly makes me think it's not as complete as described. There is a contradiction in having Mega Pokemon in a Legends game because Mega Pokemon were designed for the multiplayer Meta, and Legends is designed more around the single player experience. What we know is that it's supposed to be about restoring the city, but it can't obviously be Pokemon X2, Y2 because of that. There are no badges meanted, no plot to be the champion, and honestly no plot to the kalos war in any of the hints that we know of so far. The likelihood that it plays like XY is very tiny. I think only new Mega pokemon would be a pretty big disappointment, but there are lots of ways where it can be interesting. I look at Scarlet and Violet and how this game would be included in generation 9, and I think they can easily surprised us with these paradox pokemon. For example, maybe we get Mega designs that look like they are from the far past or the far future, and a lot of old Megas get reclassified between those. Maybe what attacks the city could be a Paradox legendary Pokemon that is successful at beating Zygarde, leaving you to look for the cells. This pokemon could transform pokemon to be under their control, as well as people, letting those you've met in XY need to be rescued and eventually become a part of your resistance force. There are a lot of possibilities for this game simply because we don't really know much about the games. We feel like we do, but it's an over confidence from leaks, Nintendo can very well cancel or delay the game indefinitely.
@Lamq555 The progressive movement is in shambles. Maybe you should refine your ideas and strive for understanding instead of further confining your echo chamber
I just don't want noble Pokemon battles in PLZA could you imagine if they flesh out the whole city future Pokemon games could be massive open world routes with developed cities
how easy do vgc players want to get teams? You can literally type a code in and use any team u desire online…. If your crafting one yourself it takes no longer than a few hours which makes sense because pokemon is all about training up your pokemon, if you could just spawn in a pokemon that has max ivs and evs at level 100 it would deminish every other pokemon
Zygarde would be dope to see a ugly pokemon be super strong where he feeds off Mega energy and it grows stronger with every mega move and after 2 rounds your mega evolution goes away. I just hope it a fun vibrant game with over 100 new pokemon from that generation with great battles and true legendarys that is uncatchable. Legendaries arn't legendary since you can catch them with a ball so dumb imo
Lumi and Soul should make their own podcast. Maybe that way they'll actually be able to get a full thought out without being interrupted or invalidated.
Regarding Lumi’s comments at the end reg the starters in the Worlds poster. I think the leaker wouls not release any material if gen10 pokemon would be there IMO
Legends is so god damn tedious to play I hate it. cool it has a few good ideas like throwing a poke ball without going to a battle. again cool but that doesn't mean it's a good game. Legends exists to sell legendaries.
Stop interrupting soul bro lol man couldn't even get a sentence out without getting yelled at, dusty needs to learn to listen and let people finish same with lumi holy crap always has some quick joke or comment and has to interrupt just to say it
Pokemon is such a subjective experience unique to every individual, somehow these three guys have the collective three worst interpretations of the pokemon world... just kidding we all different lol
idk whats your problem with scarlet/violet games. Im a hardcore pokemon player and i have clocked in over 4.5k hours in one year of playing the same save file. It does look rought, but it looks better than legends arceus. I literally did not buy arceus because it doesnt have breeding and battling. And if its gonna be the same with new legends game, i wount buy that one either. Pokemon game without breeding and battling is not a pokemon game, im sorry.
Highly disagree with that sure the coloring and art choice was definitely a bit disappointing but the story and characters were well designed for a Pokémon game. Also PLA shouldn’t be compared since their different games meant for different audiences. Not to mention the story in PLA was boring/annoying at times. And the characters weren’t well designed.
stop hating on sv it is not ugly yall only looking at graphics the pokemon characters top tier and thats what is important to me its my new favorite pokemon prev was platinum
Yup, we have a 12 y/o kid here who can’t handle 1. Different opinions and 2. Objective facts that the art style and performance of the games are just trash, and calls everyone hAtErS lmao. You don’t benefit in any way trying to simp for GF. Vice versa, you are only harming yourself; by doing that, you tell GF that they don’t need to do better and they continue doing shit quality games. When people demand better, that’s when things get better. Imagine SCVI but no Performance issues, even more polished graphics, no unnecessary gliches. Would be very good🤌🏾 and they could do it, they just don’t care because people liku you who eat whatever shit they give to your plate. Smh
Idk about regional forms cause it’s set in the near future/present so I understand soul being anxious about this game. I too really don’t care about megas as there have been way better gimmicks since then lmao.
This is the first time I’m completely on Dusty’s side on a topic lmao..Legends Arceus does not deserve to be hated on by Soul..dude said it became stale on his first play through ..like yea bro maybe the game just ain’t for u lol. Legends Arceus = Peak. And you of all people should know the muddiness is intentional due to the artstyle my guy 😢
Soul's distaste for the Kalos Starters getting Megas confuses the hell out of me tbh.
This is the chance to finally give them access to the gimmick THEIR GENERATION INTRODUCED!!!!!!!!!! Like I understand wanting something else cos yeah it might seem a little predictable, but at this point I want the Kalos Starters (in particular Chesnaught and Delphox) to get the love they deserve and the Mega Evolutions they should've had.
So there is a big discussion about what a legends game is. People say it’s the gameplay, others say it’s the time period. What if it’s just the fact that you are a previous player character getting pulled from after their game.
I think this is the formula because what happens to your character after the games? Most disappear and fade into legend!
For example the player character from kalos defeats Lysander in his timeline. After the main story they get pulled by argues to go help another timeline that Lysander wasn’t defeated. This game is now in the “future” because the world was sent back to the Stone Age and you were sent to rebuild civilization. And eventually through the campaign you meet Lysander and defeat him.
Agree with Dusty. How can Soul say it's not a legends game when we only have one game to go off. None of us knows what makes a legends game a legends game
This has been my biggest gripe each time that question is asked. Like bro we literally can’t say what makes a legends game a legends game if we’ve only had 1 game to base it off of lol
I think he was trying to say it wasn't a POKÉMON MAIN game. Like it doesn't feel fulfilling like a new generation game. He wants NEW most everything and not just a game in th3 same regions with the same pokemon 😅
Dusty missing everything Soul is saying is hilarious. I love y’all 😂😂😂
Soul makes some really strong points on the PLA, PLZA, and SV discussions in the first half. Might have been slightly misunderstood but I’m on board with him. Great episode boys!
I would’ve honestly liked ZA to be in the past we could of had two starters one group being regional forms and the Kalos starters getting megas along with some regional forms getting megas along with mega zygaurde and zeraora
Dang soulsilverart with the sleeper build!
35:00 kinda agree with soul on this one if all we gets a few megas and its just a xy two. I am not sold on this game. The things that made pla special was it was set in the past then normal pokemon games for me. And the mixed starters.
Idk, I'd be absolutely down for XY 2
set in the future has infinitely more gameplay mechanics and cooler scenery i don’t get why people obsessed with it being in the past
@ because we already know pokemon and the future are not very creative with it. They already have a fantastical world where they have futureistic qualities like worm whole devices time machines teleporters and stuff. And the future paradox pokemon. They dont have very much creativity for a far future game. And looking at places like black city theres not much they could do other then cyberpunk stuff. Past gives them much more creative freedom to flesh out story and past lore
We will look back on SV as the point where Pokémon storytelling grew up in a significant manner. So many different threads, so much backstory, heartache, the lot.
SV might have disappointed for graphics and overall playability, but the storylines were exceptional and frankly area zero is peak Pokemon.
The DLCs were excellent, overall, with some really intriguing stuff going on with the whole Kitakami trio and Pecharunt.
Just one man’s opinion, but I have played every gen and every main line game.
ScarVio story was shit, what are you on about.
@@manueljaramillo2520Nah
copium, generation four definitely had the most in depth storytelling, laying out the fundamentals of the concepts of the multiverse like willpower, knowledge, emotion, space, time, anti-matter, & spirit. even the one who created it all
@@manueljaramillo2520 try playing the game and actually reading the dialogue rather than dragging the controller across the floor with your knuckles.
@@dragonemperorpainter I never said generation 4 wasn’t good. However, SV absolutely had the better storylines. Way more adult and real, actually able to relate to all ages in a lot of different ways. I defy you to tell me that the Titan storyline wasn’t a tearjerker at the end.
I really hate that Dusty ALWAYS interrupts Lumi 💙 and Soul when they are talking, like bruh chill and wait for them to finish. Keep it inside for a second
Nah that's what gives this podcast it's charm
@@michaelthomas6280 I like Lumi 💙 the most, and what "progressive movement" are you talking about?
@@michaelthomas6280 oooh je comprends, not everyone is American in this world my friend.
Soul my favorite
Don't think too deep, they're friends, friends always argue, especially them since they do content
The arguing, fueling me for the rest of the week ☕️☺️
Why are we assuming a legends game needs to be set in the past, needs all these formats. We've had one game. Its not enough to eatablish a format. Let them cooook
31:28 Why does soul think that if the starters get a mega then they wont have regional forms or evolutions? They could get both and be used completely different from the standard forms while coming with a more unique look.
Love you guys and thanks for another great episode. Found you guys about a month ago and have been watching all the old episodes. You guys rock and are easily my favorite poke channel and Podcasters in general.
Big ups to y'all! This podcast is still so fulfilling. I will admit that I am not too geeked about watching the episodes about leaks and cut content, and that helps me appreciate the variety that y'all provide for satisfying our cravings. Yet let me encourage y'all that several mentions in this episode do nudge me to go peep those episodes I was not so geeked about before. For someone who enjoys surprises, I should not self sabotage me from receiving them now. 😅😅
Now Dusty, I desire to share something, especially since it is known that you love Crystal and Hoenn! I am currently playing through Emerald SeaGlass. It is an Emerald romhack, incorporating the 2nd gen graphics for the overworld and battle sprites, battle backgrounds, modern mechanics (somewhere in between 7th-9th gen), pokémon from up to 9th gen, added events, and extensive options. They also added types to pokémon, even some who I have only heard y'all mention needs these extra types (water/steel for Blastoise, grass/fairy for Meganium, flying/ground for Doduo line, electric/fighting for Electivire, water/normal for Politoad, ect!!) I continue to be surprised by this game. It really has been awesome and such a nostalgia kick, like it was made for the fans. You were the first person who I thought of in playing this.. lol
39:11 I way prefer the Legends: Arceus gameplay. I hate catching Pokemon the normal way. I love throwing the Pokeballs around freely.
The game is not muddy, I’ve been playing it, that’s just a false statement. The only things that look bad are large rock faces and the water. Because of repeating textures. That’s it.
24:43 Yo in the movies Zeraora was the victim of lies about him...
i just want to say i love the show and i hope one day i could have a pokemon youtube channel like it
52:16 gen 10 might bring back mega as a mechanic depending on how they handle megas in za. I doubt they’ll let those mega assets go to waste.
Soulsilverart's takes on PLA are sooooo bad.
Yes😂 like how is this possible
@@Impresario_zero most his takes on pokemon are bad lmao. But i will agree with za if its not set in the past, no mixed starters tale will make me less excited for plza.
Be more specific
58:30 Preach Lumi! I've had Shines I got from a trade or forgot it was from a trade and terrified to go into VCG because it might be flagged. You can't tell if it's hacked or not but it passes the checks to be traded, have legit stats and moves.
All the legendaries aren't catchable in SV, the genies, giratina, heatran, Enamorus, zacian, zamazenta etc ...
Theory: in Z-A Zeraora and Rayquaza will threaten the ecosystem of Kalos, Zygarde will intervene but will be required to mega to defeat them. Possibly two alternative mega version to deal specifically with them, like they had in mind for Pokémon Z (accoring to teraleak content, wolf to chase down Xerneas and cannons to take down Yveltal)
A Zygarde wolf would be so awesomeeee
There is no reason for Rayquaza to threaten the ecosystem of Kalos, Ray is a protector of the planet himslef lmao
1:38:33 she might be right. S/V came out in November of the same year arceus came out.
You know how the 6 Gen legendaries are called the „Aura Trio“ and Zeraora‘s name kinda sounds like Zera(Aura)? And also all of them have the same shiny concept? I don’t know it just makes so much sense to me
Zeraora was mystery gift for beating a certain number of them in the event time period.
I feel like we were always robbed of a true XY game so I actually prefer the kalos starters coming back and getting megas
I'm guessing that the Paris Catacombs is going to actually be the main part of the game, because there's huge amounts of areas they could do underneath Lumiose without ever technically leaving it.
I think after the shiny Rayquaza raid we might get the other legendary hero pokemon
I won't specify who the others are to minimize spoilers for horizons.
But they would make sense, we finished off the starters most likely (unless we are getting mightiest mark paldean starters cause I don't think we've had those)
Great podcast. Also I'd be down for discussing anime spoilers
This was awesome need this w topic on all it can go so many ways 😂😁
We need a peanut inspired pokemon in memory of the most amazing squirrel called peanut 😢
For the raid I guess maybe they do more of the hero pokemon like shiny rayquaza maybe do it in how they debut like Arboliva, Moltres and such and give them moves that is like how they give Ash' journeys team with all of their details and stats
@59:25 I understand Dusty’s perspective on considering the casual but Lumi here spitting facts. The pain from the eyes of a long time fan is while we do appreciate GameFreak trying and doing new things we desperately want them to smooth out the things and better refine them rather than throw out concepts and ideas every generation as they have been. We want the *chef kiss* put into one game rather than cool concepts spread throughout ten. But thanks GF’s logic they want past regions to have their “uniqueness” but that’s at the cost of us having a better final product. The way other franchises evolve while still retaining their changes like Monster Hunter as an example. The newest one coming out has all the best features of the last three games that had their own spins almost exactly like PLA compared to SV. We want something that has the best of both worlds.
Amazing episode
Thanks for not spoiling the anime
Appreciate it
I want a Pokémon game where you can either choose to be.I Pokémon researcher and go out and just evolves your pokemon And research and discover new pokemon or be a Coordinator or battle gyms
But historical Kalos would look very different from historical Sinnoh, it wouldn't remotely feel like the same game if they did that. And they should have done that to show that difference.
1:22:50 it honestly defently ruined any possibility for PLZA news this year: personal data of employees were also leaked so tthey are probably currently focusing on restructuring the company and remaking all the passwords and internal storage data, taking time.
A wild take here, but I think legends was set up to purposely introduce the concepts of past and future to align with Gen 9. Given this I believe ZA will be a direct sequel to the franchise and that will be it. The A might reference the concept of bringing it back to Arceus story in some way, creating a time loop / paradox, which is the main theme of SV. Given the focus on Gen 4 and 6 to tell this story, the in between is Gen 5 which will be next for a legit remake, but I’d be surprised if Legends continues after this. They’ll probably go with a whole different idea once Gen 10 is introduced.
Ok three things 1) what if we also get a yggdrasil pokemon 2) what if it is all megas and we get 1 Kalos starter 1 Kanto starter and one hoenen starter 3) I'm positive that we are getting some form of regional variants one way or another
50:13 I’ve never used a Greninja and I really want to! I didn’t have a DS or 3DS growing up! I didn’t even like Pokemon then!
As a vgc player I agree, we want this to be easier for the casual audience or new players who might want to try vgc after their experience. To grow the game that way if they are interested.
I also agree megas will be the only new thing, my only thing is they mega into a “new form” and type changes. They can’t make new megas and new region forms, too many designs imo.
I’ll wait till we get footage but sounds kinda meh to miss, but I won’t because it’s Pokemon.
I say we still get mixed starters 😊
BUT Kalos style... we get a choice between the 3 OGs of the game as second mega capable Pokémon. Like Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle were.
Riddler never gives the whole picture... if he knows. Subverting expectations 😅
guys there hasn’t even been 1 trailer yet…. enough with the doom soul😭
I feel like gen 10 will be early 2026 and the dlc will be unova for 15th anniversary johto for 25th anniversary and kanto for 30th anniversary with those being dlc it keeps gen 10 relevant while also getting kanto johto and unova
Don’t see that happening since they’ll want to maximize their profits so putting it all into one game wouldn’t be the right idea now unless it’s the last pokemon game.
We still need Terapagos, Koraidon, Miraidon, Ruinous Quartet, Legendary paradoxes. 12:20
Legends Arceus is a wonderful game - what makes it stand out is that is made for gamers. One can easily feel the inspiration from JRPGs - even more so with the feeling of the game and how hard the final boss was with different stages. If you only like the original PKMN formula, I can understand the expectation throws off those players - but I feel they clearly see that gameplay - or at least they tested the waters - as the future of the franchise and any gamer appreciates the high quality of that game. SV is nowhere near as polished as PLA ( not saying PLA was perfect ) and you can clearly see the love for Pokémon from the Devs on PLA, for sure. The art, music and the animation of moves… SV feels like it felt victim of the developers desires to go full open world. Riding / catching overworld and surely more stuff to come IMO is what they see this gameplay as their core moving forward, but without leaving the battle aspect, of course, which we all love to see it get better and better
Okay Big stretch here but on the Anaheim poster what if each of the starters we see actually get a type change in their final form? Fennekin it's really close to jiggly wearing a bow. Then he got froakie vanillish, chespin by toedscool wearing a hat. I don't know, but maybe their final forms change and types change to represent one of these other pokémon
Ok but actually, IF ZetA is in the future, what’s stopping them from expanding Lumiose to absorb the surrounding routes and locations? Think about how fast and large cities are growing today.
Lets Go!!!!
I think legends games are about the “legend” happening. If the world still feels interactive, you can bring your entire team out, there’s new forms of existing Pokemon and you’re really immersed into the world than I’m down for it.
I don’t really like Kalos and it’s Pokémon though ☹️ I hope it’s a mix of new forms and a few new megas. I’d prefer more new forms
I find it so frustrating when people firmly disagree with you even though they aren’t certain themselves. Why say “no that’s wrong” instead of “that’s not how I remember it” and then look it up?
Exactly
my idea comes from a song from yaosobi that was mayde with gen 9 carakters visual and a line of the song is: " ABC to the XYZ " XYZ is eather for the gen 6 anime or Xernias Yveltal and Zygard.... sso does that mean whe get an A B and C legendary that is a counterpart the the other 3
With the zero information we have, aside from the inclusion of megas, I don’t see starter megas being called a “twist” by the leakers
Khu is stupid and bad at English so maybe he thinks that megas are a twist?
I find it so funny you guys keep talking about how sad you’ll be without regional variants.
Regional variants are here to stay, probably in every new game. But MEGAS? This might be our LAST chance for megas in the next decade or even two.
I want as many new megas as possible this time around. If that means no regionals that’s fine.
1:07:25 legends arceus replayability sucks…I restarted it to get enamorous for my husband. And it took ages to unlock her 🤦🏻♀️ that’s even with me speeding through as much as possible. I refuse to play it again. It was fun the first time for novelty. But yeah it sucks.
Khu is a liar
Stop the cap
The hacker did say around 70% of what Khu said this year was bullshit
TRUE
@@manueljaramillo2520 stop the bs
The sales numbers of sv and swsh are only so high because I think they used lgpe to get a lot of kanto fans back on the switch and then used bdsp and legends arceus to get a lot of sinnoh fans back on the switch. I think the switch games sales numbers are so high only because it’s actually a lot of the older players buying them and we are starting to get annoyed. I’m sure there are still kids that buy it too, but I bet you the percentage is way less than what it used to be. and if you look at the most popular games for kids nowadays, Pokémon definitely isn’t one of them. its like roblox and minecraft and fortnite or warzone.
also to me legends arceus was overall a great game only because of the plot and ability to die and get attacked. It was way too tedious and annoying with the research tasks. What they need to do is introduce action style battling without taking away turn based by using something like the synchro machine to switch between and stop making their games so tedious. allow us to just generate any stat ability or move that we want without them being hacked.
I feel like the idea of concern is too much. It's the kind of attitude that naturally happens when you don't have enough information about something big. It is suspicious to not hear anything other than Mega Pokemon. Although honestly, it's really unbelievable that a near finished copy of the game has been around in the public and there has been no spoilers from that. It honestly makes me think it's not as complete as described.
There is a contradiction in having Mega Pokemon in a Legends game because Mega Pokemon were designed for the multiplayer Meta, and Legends is designed more around the single player experience. What we know is that it's supposed to be about restoring the city, but it can't obviously be Pokemon X2, Y2 because of that. There are no badges meanted, no plot to be the champion, and honestly no plot to the kalos war in any of the hints that we know of so far. The likelihood that it plays like XY is very tiny.
I think only new Mega pokemon would be a pretty big disappointment, but there are lots of ways where it can be interesting. I look at Scarlet and Violet and how this game would be included in generation 9, and I think they can easily surprised us with these paradox pokemon. For example, maybe we get Mega designs that look like they are from the far past or the far future, and a lot of old Megas get reclassified between those. Maybe what attacks the city could be a Paradox legendary Pokemon that is successful at beating Zygarde, leaving you to look for the cells. This pokemon could transform pokemon to be under their control, as well as people, letting those you've met in XY need to be rescued and eventually become a part of your resistance force. There are a lot of possibilities for this game simply because we don't really know much about the games. We feel like we do, but it's an over confidence from leaks, Nintendo can very well cancel or delay the game indefinitely.
If you guys ever break up and stop doing this together it will obviously be Soul’s fault 😂
Are you guys joining Bluesky anytime soon? 🦋
Lol
@Lamq555 The progressive movement is in shambles. Maybe you should refine your ideas and strive for understanding instead of further confining your echo chamber
I just don't want noble Pokemon battles in PLZA could you imagine if they flesh out the whole city future Pokemon games could be massive open world routes with developed cities
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how easy do vgc players want to get teams? You can literally type a code in and use any team u desire online…. If your crafting one yourself it takes no longer than a few hours which makes sense because pokemon is all about training up your pokemon, if you could just spawn in a pokemon that has max ivs and evs at level 100 it would deminish every other pokemon
I love legends but its not repayable
Very true, only thing worth doing after the pokedex is shiny hordes and even that gets boring after awhile.
Zygarde would be dope to see a ugly pokemon be super strong where he feeds off Mega energy and it grows stronger with every mega move and after 2 rounds your mega evolution goes away. I just hope it a fun vibrant game with over 100 new pokemon from that generation with great battles and true legendarys that is uncatchable. Legendaries arn't legendary since you can catch them with a ball so dumb imo
I still don't think the Kalos starters are the starters.
"Some kind of fantasy game?..." Reference to one of the most known moba's in the world got me hard! 😂
I’m with Soul, Legends ZA is gonna blow
LGPE and BDSP are amazing games 10/10 don't hate appreciate
Nope
7 star paldea starters perchance
Lumi and Soul should make their own podcast. Maybe that way they'll actually be able to get a full thought out without being interrupted or invalidated.
Lol that Rayquaza raid trying to compete with Sonic Movie 3?? Guess I'm missing this one
Bad takes coming left and right with this one😂
Regarding Lumi’s comments at the end reg the starters in the Worlds poster. I think the leaker wouls not release any material if gen10 pokemon would be there IMO
Legends is so god damn tedious to play I hate it. cool it has a few good ideas like throwing a poke ball without going to a battle. again cool but that doesn't mean it's a good game. Legends exists to sell legendaries.
Dear Dusty: 🍃🐐 🪛🥊🐺
One thing about pokemon fans is that there will always be a complaint
Stop interrupting soul bro lol man couldn't even get a sentence out without getting yelled at, dusty needs to learn to listen and let people finish same with lumi holy crap always has some quick joke or comment and has to interrupt just to say it
Funny hoe luminouse says we don't have raids for the hisuian starters yet, but that's not true
Unova remakes died for X2 Y2, worst timeline
Best Podcast Team Ever
Damn Soul is bulky
lol soul is hairy
Pokemon is such a subjective experience unique to every individual, somehow these three guys have the collective three worst interpretations of the pokemon world... just kidding we all different lol
idk whats your problem with scarlet/violet games. Im a hardcore pokemon player and i have clocked in over 4.5k hours in one year of playing the same save file. It does look rought, but it looks better than legends arceus. I literally did not buy arceus because it doesnt have breeding and battling. And if its gonna be the same with new legends game, i wount buy that one either. Pokemon game without breeding and battling is not a pokemon game, im sorry.
Actual shit take.
I still find S&V very disappointing. The art style, story, and its characters are so bland. Such a step backwards from PLA.
Highly disagree with that sure the coloring and art choice was definitely a bit disappointing but the story and characters were well designed for a Pokémon game. Also PLA shouldn’t be compared since their different games meant for different audiences. Not to mention the story in PLA was boring/annoying at times. And the characters weren’t well designed.
@@kindallnight1615 Story and characters were shit.
TRUTH
@@manueljaramillo2520 Lol ok?? Still your opinion not to mention I wasn’t talking to you so…
@@kindallnight1615PLA was better put together than SV. Most of what happens in SV is not even acknowledge by the characters.
stop hating on sv it is not ugly yall only looking at graphics the pokemon characters top tier and thats what is important to me its my new favorite pokemon prev was platinum
The graphics are absolutely abysmal to the point where outside of character/Pokemon models they don’t even convey the art style of the game
@twosoup3252 blah blah just another hater bye I mean blocked
lol
Cry about it lol. Enjoy your garbage. 😂
Yup, we have a 12 y/o kid here who can’t handle 1. Different opinions and 2. Objective facts that the art style and performance of the games are just trash, and calls everyone hAtErS lmao.
You don’t benefit in any way trying to simp for GF. Vice versa, you are only harming yourself; by doing that, you tell GF that they don’t need to do better and they continue doing shit quality games. When people demand better, that’s when things get better. Imagine SCVI but no Performance issues, even more polished graphics, no unnecessary gliches. Would be very good🤌🏾 and they could do it, they just don’t care because people liku you who eat whatever shit they give to your plate. Smh
PLA is too much like work. It's all task oriented and demanding in other ways.
And ScarVio are too scattered with little focus.
Idk about regional forms cause it’s set in the near future/present so I understand soul being anxious about this game. I too really don’t care about megas as there have been way better gimmicks since then lmao.