Possibilities: 1- That baby is Reina's mother, Heihachi groomed her for years and then had Reina with her (most likely option, i think) 2- That baby is Reina, Heihachi put her to cryosleep for around 30 years (not likely, because she uses electrics, which means she has Mishima blood too) 3- Reina is something like a lab-made supersoldier like Steve, made from both that Hachijo girl's and Heihachi's gene samples (unnecessarily convoluted, but well, this is Tekken, so it is plausible)
To answer your questions: How did Heihachi killed the Hachijos when he was struggling when fighting Kazumi, Kazuya and Jin? Answer: Heihachi was hesitating about killing Kazumi, and Kazuya and Jin are Mishimas, you know how busted Mishimas are. In other words, normal devil gene user is just easy mode for Heihachi. Is Reina not a Mishima? Answer: Reina is definitely Heihachi's daughter. Only a Mishima can generate electrics just like Jin, Kazuya, Lars, and the Tekken Monks. Who is the Hachijo baby that Heihachi spared? Answer: The last baby from Hachijo clan is probably Reina's mother or Reina is a lab baby like Steve.
I think Reina is truly daughter of Heihachi because she has electricity abilities, which no one else poseses aside from Heihachi relatives (even Lars has some sort of electricity abilities but does not learn Mishima fighting style). That spared girl must be Reina's mother. And consider the timeline, Jin was not yet born at the time when Heihachi went to exterminate Hachijo's clan, Kazuya was just a kid, and Reina is younger than Jin. That spared girl cannot be Reina, it is most likely her mother.
It was already revealed she is not Heihachi's daughter the speculation is over. Also anyone that practices Mishima-ryu can generate lighting as shown with the Tekken Monks.
Reina is probably the child that Heihachi had with the last Hachijo survivor that Hei spared. Reina is a Mishima and Hachijo and is definitely Kazuya’s sister and Auntie to Jin
If Reina was alive back then, she would be as old as Kazuya. Also, Reina learns much of what she knows throughout the story. She didn't know how to activate the devil gene at first. She learns this from Jin. Given her electric ki, I'm pretty sure Reina is a blood Mishima.
bro nobody in Tekken looks their age LOL. Kazuya is like 50 something but the dude looks fricking 29 at most. I dont know why people are in disbelief that she cant be in her 40's
Um no. It makes sense. Reina would be as old as Lili at best. She calls Jin Senpai. Suggesting she's younger than him. She's likely 17 or 18 years old which means that's also how long the Hachijo have been dead for. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Reina is a young girl. She still attends school. Mishima Polytechnic lol
I cannot believe how nuch of that u got totally wrong 1. Heihachi was a teenager when kazumi joined the mishima dojo. He truly loved kazumi and was very happy when kazuya was born. He was forced to kill kazumi as she wouldnt stop in her rage to try to kill him. After that he understood that she inherited an evil power and realized kazuya mist also inherit it. All those events led to remorse and he took revenge on the hachijo. He killed all of them except one. But that one spared live was not reina. It was a fenale hachijo who later became the mother of reina as heihachi impregnated her to make another child his own who posesses the devil gene. Why he did that we do not know yet. 2. Reina knows her father has amnesia and is currently trained by the tekken monks to sync body mind and soul as that sync is needed so he can obtain the mishima warrior instinct via the star breaker trial. Butvhe has problems to sync his body and soul as his soul is "wavering" and lidia is seen as the perfect trainingpartner for hei as she seems to be in sync. Thats why she lures her to the temple and lidia goes there in hopes to make an ally out of old man Heihachi.
I still wonder what Reina's mission or purpose is from Heihachi. Obviously she is loyal to him, but now she has devil, and if Kaz and Jin truly were cleansed by Kazama powers and Azazel is gone, only Reina remains. That kinda goes against Hei's whole Tekken 7 goals all along, I guess it made sense that he wanted someone to oppose Kazuya if he died, but why not use Jin? Was Reina the backup to a backup? I guess Hei figured Jin turned evil, so I will use Reina, but knowing Mishima, family loyalty isn't exactly their greatest trait. I also think that Hei or another Mishima would have to be the father, since Reina has the lightning. Even Kuma trained by Heihachi didn't have the lightning, and he is the only non-Mishima we know who can use the style lol.
@@darth6129 I guess we could retcon his plans to be that he spared a child, and that child became his secret lover and eventually had Reina, who was Heihachi's secret weapon and favorite child as he actually managed to build a family bond with her, opposed to his son Kaz and grandson Jin and since he has an emotional attachment to Reina and she has one to him he loves her enough to overlook the devil gene part of herself unlike anyone else that possess the gene. This is why she is allowed to rule the world with him. The good old emotions overpower logic thing. Also, since Reina would, by this logic, have been kept away from seeing the world the way Kaz and Jin did, she will see Heihachi in a positive way no matter what. Basically, Kaz and Jin were test runs for Heihachi, and every time he failed with one of them, he just did the opposite with Reina, ensuring her eternal loyalty and love. Bro basically made himself the perfect daughter in the longest route possible lmao
00:43 - Actually no, the Devil Gene was never a supernatural power. It's proved in the Tekken 2 instructions manual, which states that Kazuya is ONLY RUMORED to make a pack with the devil, but it doesn't 100% confirm this. So the Devil Gene being generational power isn't a retcon. THE REAL RETCON in Tekken 7 though is the moment of Heihachi throwing Kazuya off of the cliff, because before Tekken 1 Heihachi did this to see if Kazuya is worthy of inheriting the Mishima Zaibatsu from him, but then they changed that reason to be Heihachi wanting to know if Kazuya has the Devil Gene just like Kazumi. THAT IS THE REAL RETCON IN TEKKEN 7.
@@goldenthunder1166 Actually no, Heihachi didn't lie, because later on in the Tekken 7 story you see Kazuya also hearing about Kazumi and how she wanted to kill both Kazuya and Heihachi, calling it "absurd' as he realizing that his mother also hated him just like his father. I think that what could've done instead is to make Heihachi still throwing Kazuya off the cliff with the whole Mishima Zaibatsu thing just like before, and then having Kazumi fight Heihachi ONLY AFTER that so she will try to get revenge on Heihachi for killing their son, and then Heihachi almost killing her and then she will find out about the Devil Gene. The fact that they decided to make the Devil Gene being the one factor that everything is centralized around is basically the whole mistake of Tekken's lore since Tekken 6, from Jin starting WW3 to the cliff retcon in Tekken 7 to the monks saving Heihachi in Tekken 8 and trying to take advantage of his memory loss to try to kill Jin and Kazuya for them.
@@goldenthunder1166 You got confused, the Hachijo clan are the descendants of Azazel's servants, not the assassins of their servants. And the reason Kazumi wanted to kill Heihachi is because she felt that both him and Kazuya would lead to world to destruction and war, which they both did, as well as Jin. And yes Tekken has indeed becoming more and more like an anime. Ever since Tekken 7 they added more and more anime elements, like Akuma not killing Heihachi and Kazuya right away because he wanted them to get stronger (just like in Dragon Ball), also the Heihachi and Kazuya fight being way too long (again like in Dragon Ball), and then all the anime elements in Tekken 8, from comparison of Jin and Devil Jin to Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo from Bleach, to the clash between Jin and Kazuya on the asteroid being just like the one between Naruto and Sasuke with the gold and purple colors, to once again all the Dragon Ball elements throughout the story. Tekken lost it's identity, like for real.
@@goldenthunder1166 But the Hachijos are descendants of the servants, this is explained in Tekken 8 also, Slayer explains that in this video also. And yes Tekken did have very few anime bits in the past, but since Tekken 7 they went all-anime.
@@goldenthunder1166 But the Hachijos are descendants of the servants, this is explained in Tekken 8 also, Slayer explains that in this video also. And yes Tekken did have very few anime bits in the past, but since Tekken 7 they went all-anime.
@@goldenthunder1166 The Kazuya dialogue could've been a localization issue with the game. Tekken as a series, in addition to have story issues, also has had for a long time translation issues. Or maybe it's just yet another contradiction in the writing process of T7. And Paul's ending wasn't an anime-like, that whole alien thing is something that you can see in western comedy, it's not an anime-exclusive thing. Lee's ending however does looks like an anime thing, the way Heihachi was running due to being afraid of the bomb inside his bowtie was very anime-like, but other than Lee's ending and Xiaoyu's ending which got full-on anime ascetics, all other Tekken 5 endings were not anime-based. The problem with Tekken 7 and 8 is that they put anime elements in them as part of the main plot and actually being focal point of the series, with everything that happened with Akuma and the Mishimas, not just a couple of random endings like in Tekken 5
Either A) The baby was Reina and she's way older than she looks since Heihachi would have taken out the Hachicho 40+ years ago B) The baby girl was Reina's mother who Heihachi got with later when she was older then they had Reina, since Reina has electricity which is Mishima exclusive and if she's adopted she wouldn't have it C) Heihachi wiped out the Hachijo way later and found Reina explaining why she's so young
@@Cherry91 exactly thats why her sparks would be gold and dark blue like kazuyas because he was trying to test the gene on a human with the research data heihachi sent to steal from g corp that revived and studied kazuyas corpse in tekken 4 but that research data theft was never mentioned ever again
@@comicschannel8731 you got to understand how time works. Heihachi would have massacred the hachicho clan around the same time he threw Kazuya down the ravine at 5 years old. So the baby would be only be 4 years younger than Kazuya. So if Heihachi raised it in secret and made another kid with her then Reina would be around Jin’s age. So yes the timeline works.
@@dreamcastdazia4753 I think people forget how long the Tekken lore goes back. There is literally 19-20 year time gap between T2 and T3. A ton of the new characters were literally born in that time gap. Jin child of Kazuya and Jun. Steve Fox is technically the child of Nina.
This theory makes sense as Heihachi didn’t originally know about Jin and after meeting his grandson switched to training and using him for his experiment
Her name was never Mishima; she was "illegitimate". However, Heihachi referring to her as _"my daughter"_ perhaps legitimizes her as Reina Mishima? I mean, if Heihachi can't recognize his daughter as legitimate, _who can?_
There's still a question mark regarding Reina though. Was that child Heihachi spared her, in which case she's much older than we think? Or was it her mother? I think it was her mother. That makes Heihachi even more sus and disturbing because then you have to figure out how exactly Reina was conceived. Also keep in mind that she harnesses electricity like the other Mishimas. So, did Heihachi keep that child prisoner, impregnate her when she was old enough, and then got rid of her once Reina was born? Or is Reina a lab baby like Steve? How many attempts did it take? Knowing Heihachi, surely he wanted a girl this tie around because she'd be easier to raise and manipulate. And make no mistake: he'll ditch her as soon as she's served her purpose.
Reina knowledge and status as a member of the clan creates another plot hole due to (Tekken 4 Heihachi's Prologue). He was literally searching for Jin because he was the only remaining carrier of the Devil Gene. (Kazuya was thought to be dead the the time.) If Reina actually is a member of the clan then why would he need Jin when he already has her? Heihachi originally had been looking for a means to augment himself with the Devil Gene, Ogre's blood, and Genocell. Nothing about Reina makes anything make sense only creates more plot holes and contradictions. Harada should have retired as the story writer years ago.
@@guillermogarcin9529 If she's part of the clan then she's born with the devil gene like everyone else was. Just because its dormant doesn't mean it isn't there.
Heihachi says in the intro with Reina that his plan coming to fruition depends on Reina awakening her Devil Gene. So ofc he wont reject her and already knows she posseses the Devil Gene
I mean that is her Father and June is NOT HER MOTHER and ppl gotta understand Aza is Anubis, in Japanese she is a grown women she a child power wise she doesn’t understand her power
4:50 Moon do you even know your math ???? Reina is like around 17 - 20 years old in this game , but if you know your math reina is mostly same age as kazuya around 40 years old after kazumi's death , so it is very impossible that she is a survivor , but like I said tekken story is super fked up that nothing really make any sense , harada can just bring back micheal , dr bosko and everytone gonna be like , ohh that is normal they are super humain 🤣
I mean even when they show how Heihachi survived the lava it showed Kaz looking at him falling and its funny that in T8 we see him falling with his T8 moustache during an T7 moment and reminds me back with T4 home intro version of Heihachi throwing his son to an vulcano with an different outfit instead his T2 purple suit at the end if T2 lol 😂
Condescending ass 😳 Heihachi could've waited many years to kill the Hachijo clan, or Reina might just be claiming to go to a school she doesn't actually attend and is older than she seems. There is too much room for possibility, regardless of how absurds the possibilities can be.
4:05 it is because the Mishima's are more special than the devil gene since you know Heihachi survive quite a lot for he's age and also the lore of the Mishima family is huge because it is a clan and the clan head being Jinpachi next in line was Heihachi .. that's why they send child assassin .. because if they send an adult like raven they would be killed by Jinpachi or Heihachi
I knew she was a Hachijo (Kazumi clan) since those were the people with Azazel's power (Devil Gene) and she awakened it in the story (the very end). Didn't need this to know lol
When Kazuya hut her eith beam, she had reawoken with the devil red eye which means she did unlock it. Maybe not the transformation but the power itself manifested in her and gave the same red devil eyes as Jin, Kazuya, & Kazumi.
I think most Hachijo CAN'T use the devil power, I speculate only ONE Hachijo is the devil at a single time(Kazumi had it, and when she died it went to Kazuya, and when Kazuya "died" part of it went to Jin, and Reina gained the power when Kazuya and Jin lost theirs.)that is why they sent Kazumi, who might be the only one with it at the time, and Heihachi spared Reina(or perhaps Reina's mother) because she has the potential for devil power should Heihachi kills Kazuya and Jin.
I think it’s very likely that she’s still a Mishima, in the same way Jin is. He claims his mother’s name, but there’s no denying Kazuya Mishima is his father. I think Reina is Heihachi’s daughter still and has claim to the Mishima name, but is undeniably a daughter of the Hachijyou clan. Whether she is Kazumi’s daughter and was spared, or the daughter of the child he spared and “experimented” on, is where I think we still aren’t sure.
You think she's his daughter? She *is.* She outright says it in her intro with Heihachi. He sired Reina with another member of the Hachijo clan, I cannot be sure about that. We'll have to wait and see.
Either Kasumi is being kept alive through magic to be impregnated by Heihachi and thats how Reina is born or another woman a descendant of Hachijou is found revealed to be the actually mother.
I like that idea for Kazumi which would do three things to the story, and that one of them would be they can bring her back in a plausible manner that makes sense, paint Heihachi as the ultimate evil monster of the series that he always was, and give more reason for Kazuya to hate his father more and realize the error of his ways if he finds and discovers what his mother has been through.
Did Harada write this? That being said,he(heihachi)probably raised Reina as a contingency plan bc g corp reanimated kazuya in tekken4 and also jin is not on his “side”because heihachi shot jin in tekken3.
My Original Theory is that Reina was Conceived Similarly to Steve Fox using Heihachi’s and Kazumi’s DNA or be the Secret Child of Kazuya, now I don’t know
@@heavenlyweather117 not like they'll do anything cool with that info. Tekken writer maybe: *Snaps fingers* Wait wait actually never mind, they still have the devil gene.
@@DanielThomas-nv1gz oh I know bro! They'll proly walk it back like they did everything else cause these guys can't write for shit lmfao. So I fully expect them to still have it. Gotta even out the odds, y'know.
Reina's wicked alright she may have fallen from grace due to nerfs and Heihachi but she still has some of her old wickedness within her small frame. Reina attracted me to Tekken 8 for a number of reasons including her personality and style being appealing my roster has since evolved away from here to...other abominations.
Reason why heihachi raised reina? Its so simple and makes a lot of sense, this story has happened before and thats why reina gave me early jin kazama vibes Heihachi is simply using reina for her devil gene just like he did or wanted to do to jin
As a gay black man.. I am just glad to see the Tekken Wiki no longer has *TEKKEN WIKI* in ugly lgbtq+lmnop flag colors. That was one of the most random and dumbest woke decisions for the site owner/s to make.
does it even matter? all fighting games now have canon wise the absolute trash tier of story telling. there’s nothing to explain because the people making it don’t give a shit and just come up with shit on the fly my theory was and this would make most sense that reina is nina and kazuyas child. reina has dialogue with nina, colors are that of kazuya and nina, it would also explain how she has the devil gene and she was created when kazuya and nina were in cryosleep. but raised under heihachi. that would have tied it all together but major plot point lost is that azazel once he’s destroyed no one should have the devil gene period. so her still having is another mcguffin on top of an already shit plot hole ridden story line
Azazel has lightning. Kazumi’s clan are descendants of a devil that escaped Azazel’s rule according to the new lore in Tekken 8. The devils are an extension of Azazel. At least that’s how I summed it up.
In the old days - clans sent women and children as spies and assasins. Refer to the Geisha. You don't have to agree with it, but it occurred. This is Tekken. A fiction based fighting game, and we are worried about what!?
One of the worst retcons was introducing Azazel, they should left it alone with Kazuya making a deal with the devil and ultimately usurping control in T4’s final battle.
First of, Azazel isn't a retcon, it is a added information. Also Kazuya never made a deal with the devil, it was only a rumor in the Tekken universe that he made that deal, but it was never fully confirmed. This is stated in the Tekken 2 instructions manual.
@@sevionus80 I hear ya, and the worst part is that we did get a supernatural being protecting a Mishima in Tekken 8, that's Devil Jin protecting Jin, and they made it look like Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo from Bleach, and it was so forced and unnecessary.
@@reryaa fair enough. But then they should've sent someone tougher and more experienced when it was obvious Kazumi wouldn't be able to do the job. How did they think she'd still kill someone she loved and had a family with? It was that oversight that eventually undid them.
Those are called Mishima monks.. the style is called Mishima style fighting the monks practice go back and watch the story and listen to who the monks are they are Tekken monks
She’s of the Hachijo clan? Heihachi found her? Is this legit?🤔 bc if it is Maaan I felt better when it was actually his blood daughter who he experimented on.
Reina is actually such a corny character. Random girl comes into the 8th installment in a series with no past references and is suddenly the most important character in the story.
Reina has borderline personality disorder, or some kind of other mental illness that has her switch personalities on a whim as we saw in Lidia's story expansion. Perhaps Heihachi has this as well, given how we saw him fight against his own alter ego that's the monster we've known him as throughout the Tekken franchise.
Tekken’s story is dumb and DRAGGED. I wish they shift the focus on other characters more. Less screen time for Mishimas, Alisa, Lars and boring ass Nina.
Oh Lord have mercy this is just reminds me of avengers Infinity war scene with Thanos killing Gamora Own people and then adopting her And That explains Reina Backstory, not just that, but oh She having the devil gene She’s going to kill Kazuya and anyone else affiliated with him.
Possibilities:
1- That baby is Reina's mother, Heihachi groomed her for years and then had Reina with her (most likely option, i think)
2- That baby is Reina, Heihachi put her to cryosleep for around 30 years (not likely, because she uses electrics, which means she has Mishima blood too)
3- Reina is something like a lab-made supersoldier like Steve, made from both that Hachijo girl's and Heihachi's gene samples (unnecessarily convoluted, but well, this is Tekken, so it is plausible)
To answer your questions:
How did Heihachi killed the Hachijos when he was struggling when fighting Kazumi, Kazuya and Jin?
Answer: Heihachi was hesitating about killing Kazumi, and Kazuya and Jin are Mishimas, you know how busted Mishimas are. In other words, normal devil gene user is just easy mode for Heihachi.
Is Reina not a Mishima?
Answer: Reina is definitely Heihachi's daughter. Only a Mishima can generate electrics just like Jin, Kazuya, Lars, and the Tekken Monks.
Who is the Hachijo baby that Heihachi spared?
Answer: The last baby from Hachijo clan is probably Reina's mother or Reina is a lab baby like Steve.
Yup. We find out that the Mishima style is a fighting style created to destroy demons. Its hard for devil gene users to fight them
I think Reina is truly daughter of Heihachi because she has electricity abilities, which no one else poseses aside from Heihachi relatives (even Lars has some sort of electricity abilities but does not learn Mishima fighting style). That spared girl must be Reina's mother. And consider the timeline, Jin was not yet born at the time when Heihachi went to exterminate Hachijo's clan, Kazuya was just a kid, and Reina is younger than Jin. That spared girl cannot be Reina, it is most likely her mother.
good point tbh
Doesn't the ppl of this clan live for hundreds years and remain young due to their devil shi?
@@SpaceRacerGAMBIT yup unfortunately for her she's most likely his daughter, which is a curse in itself...
It was already revealed she is not Heihachi's daughter the speculation is over. Also anyone that practices Mishima-ryu can generate lighting as shown with the Tekken Monks.
@@FuriaRoyale relly? where? Have not seen anything about that.
Reina is probably the child that Heihachi had with the last Hachijo survivor that Hei spared. Reina is a Mishima and Hachijo and is definitely Kazuya’s sister and Auntie to Jin
But it was a baby. I don't think the writers would take _that_ route.
@@BeretBayHeihachi is a lunatic, I don't think child grooming is out of the question for him
@@BeretBay Oh boy, if only you knew the things Heihachi has done. Trust me, something like that is not beyond him.
If Reina was alive back then, she would be as old as Kazuya. Also, Reina learns much of what she knows throughout the story. She didn't know how to activate the devil gene at first. She learns this from Jin. Given her electric ki, I'm pretty sure Reina is a blood Mishima.
Cryo sleep like Nina or genetic experiments like Steve
bro nobody in Tekken looks their age LOL. Kazuya is like 50 something but the dude looks fricking 29 at most. I dont know why people are in disbelief that she cant be in her 40's
Um no. It makes sense. Reina would be as old as Lili at best. She calls Jin Senpai. Suggesting she's younger than him. She's likely 17 or 18 years old which means that's also how long the Hachijo have been dead for. It really isn't that hard to figure out. Reina is a young girl. She still attends school. Mishima Polytechnic lol
@@NibbledPicklebecause look at her genius, it’s a video game yes no one looks their age but to say Reina could be in her 40s you are smoking crack
@@NibbledPickle Kazuya can pass for 50
I cannot believe how nuch of that u got totally wrong
1. Heihachi was a teenager when kazumi joined the mishima dojo. He truly loved kazumi and was very happy when kazuya was born. He was forced to kill kazumi as she wouldnt stop in her rage to try to kill him. After that he understood that she inherited an evil power and realized kazuya mist also inherit it. All those events led to remorse and he took revenge on the hachijo. He killed all of them except one. But that one spared live was not reina. It was a fenale hachijo who later became the mother of reina as heihachi impregnated her to make another child his own who posesses the devil gene. Why he did that we do not know yet.
2. Reina knows her father has amnesia and is currently trained by the tekken monks to sync body mind and soul as that sync is needed so he can obtain the mishima warrior instinct via the star breaker trial. Butvhe has problems to sync his body and soul as his soul is "wavering" and lidia is seen as the perfect trainingpartner for hei as she seems to be in sync. Thats why she lures her to the temple and lidia goes there in hopes to make an ally out of old man Heihachi.
I still wonder what Reina's mission or purpose is from Heihachi. Obviously she is loyal to him, but now she has devil, and if Kaz and Jin truly were cleansed by Kazama powers and Azazel is gone, only Reina remains. That kinda goes against Hei's whole Tekken 7 goals all along, I guess it made sense that he wanted someone to oppose Kazuya if he died, but why not use Jin? Was Reina the backup to a backup? I guess Hei figured Jin turned evil, so I will use Reina, but knowing Mishima, family loyalty isn't exactly their greatest trait.
I also think that Hei or another Mishima would have to be the father, since Reina has the lightning. Even Kuma trained by Heihachi didn't have the lightning, and he is the only non-Mishima we know who can use the style lol.
He stays making bs up
@@darth6129 I guess we could retcon his plans to be that he spared a child, and that child became his secret lover and eventually had Reina, who was Heihachi's secret weapon and favorite child as he actually managed to build a family bond with her, opposed to his son Kaz and grandson Jin and since he has an emotional attachment to Reina and she has one to him he loves her enough to overlook the devil gene part of herself unlike anyone else that possess the gene. This is why she is allowed to rule the world with him. The good old emotions overpower logic thing.
Also, since Reina would, by this logic, have been kept away from seeing the world the way Kaz and Jin did, she will see Heihachi in a positive way no matter what. Basically, Kaz and Jin were test runs for Heihachi, and every time he failed with one of them, he just did the opposite with Reina, ensuring her eternal loyalty and love. Bro basically made himself the perfect daughter in the longest route possible lmao
00:43 - Actually no, the Devil Gene was never a supernatural power. It's proved in the Tekken 2 instructions manual, which states that Kazuya is ONLY RUMORED to make a pack with the devil, but it doesn't 100% confirm this. So the Devil Gene being generational power isn't a retcon. THE REAL RETCON in Tekken 7 though is the moment of Heihachi throwing Kazuya off of the cliff, because before Tekken 1 Heihachi did this to see if Kazuya is worthy of inheriting the Mishima Zaibatsu from him, but then they changed that reason to be Heihachi wanting to know if Kazuya has the Devil Gene just like Kazumi. THAT IS THE REAL RETCON IN TEKKEN 7.
@@goldenthunder1166 Actually no, Heihachi didn't lie, because later on in the Tekken 7 story you see Kazuya also hearing about Kazumi and how she wanted to kill both Kazuya and Heihachi, calling it "absurd' as he realizing that his mother also hated him just like his father. I think that what could've done instead is to make Heihachi still throwing Kazuya off the cliff with the whole Mishima Zaibatsu thing just like before, and then having Kazumi fight Heihachi ONLY AFTER that so she will try to get revenge on Heihachi for killing their son, and then Heihachi almost killing her and then she will find out about the Devil Gene.
The fact that they decided to make the Devil Gene being the one factor that everything is centralized around is basically the whole mistake of Tekken's lore since Tekken 6, from Jin starting WW3 to the cliff retcon in Tekken 7 to the monks saving Heihachi in Tekken 8 and trying to take advantage of his memory loss to try to kill Jin and Kazuya for them.
@@goldenthunder1166 You got confused, the Hachijo clan are the descendants of Azazel's servants, not the assassins of their servants. And the reason Kazumi wanted to kill Heihachi is because she felt that both him and Kazuya would lead to world to destruction and war, which they both did, as well as Jin.
And yes Tekken has indeed becoming more and more like an anime. Ever since Tekken 7 they added more and more anime elements, like Akuma not killing Heihachi and Kazuya right away because he wanted them to get stronger (just like in Dragon Ball), also the Heihachi and Kazuya fight being way too long (again like in Dragon Ball), and then all the anime elements in Tekken 8, from comparison of Jin and Devil Jin to Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo from Bleach, to the clash between Jin and Kazuya on the asteroid being just like the one between Naruto and Sasuke with the gold and purple colors, to once again all the Dragon Ball elements throughout the story. Tekken lost it's identity, like for real.
@@goldenthunder1166 But the Hachijos are descendants of the servants, this is explained in Tekken 8 also, Slayer explains that in this video also.
And yes Tekken did have very few anime bits in the past, but since Tekken 7 they went all-anime.
@@goldenthunder1166 But the Hachijos are descendants of the servants, this is explained in Tekken 8 also, Slayer explains that in this video also.
And yes Tekken did have very few anime bits in the past, but since Tekken 7 they went all-anime.
@@goldenthunder1166 The Kazuya dialogue could've been a localization issue with the game. Tekken as a series, in addition to have story issues, also has had for a long time translation issues. Or maybe it's just yet another contradiction in the writing process of T7.
And Paul's ending wasn't an anime-like, that whole alien thing is something that you can see in western comedy, it's not an anime-exclusive thing. Lee's ending however does looks like an anime thing, the way Heihachi was running due to being afraid of the bomb inside his bowtie was very anime-like, but other than Lee's ending and Xiaoyu's ending which got full-on anime ascetics, all other Tekken 5 endings were not anime-based. The problem with Tekken 7 and 8 is that they put anime elements in them as part of the main plot and actually being focal point of the series, with everything that happened with Akuma and the Mishimas, not just a couple of random endings like in Tekken 5
Reina better watch her back with Heihachi he’s going to Betray her just like Jinpachi Kazuya Jin Lars and Lee He’ll Do the Same Thing To Her
It makes sense to me that he would take Reina under his wing because he wants her to be his weapon.
He treated Jin the same way when it came to Ogre.
Either
A) The baby was Reina and she's way older than she looks since Heihachi would have taken out the Hachicho 40+ years ago
B) The baby girl was Reina's mother who Heihachi got with later when she was older then they had Reina, since Reina has electricity which is Mishima exclusive and if she's adopted she wouldn't have it
C) Heihachi wiped out the Hachijo way later and found Reina explaining why she's so young
I really thought reina was one of heihachis experiments to when he wanted to obtain the powers of the devil gene
She could still have been a lab baby like Steve IMHO.
@@Cherry91 exactly thats why her sparks would be gold and dark blue like kazuyas because he was trying to test the gene on a human with the research data heihachi sent to steal from g corp that revived and studied kazuyas corpse in tekken 4 but that research data theft was never mentioned ever again
You missing the timeline. Reina is still Heihachi’s blood daughter. She is the result of the last survivor and Heihachi. His last “experiment”.
No she is not.
Just stop
@@comicschannel8731 you got to understand how time works. Heihachi would have massacred the hachicho clan around the same time he threw Kazuya down the ravine at 5 years old. So the baby would be only be 4 years younger than Kazuya. So if Heihachi raised it in secret and made another kid with her then Reina would be around Jin’s age. So yes the timeline works.
@@Ken-ic8tu Thank you for having common sense
@@dreamcastdazia4753 I think people forget how long the Tekken lore goes back. There is literally 19-20 year time gap between T2 and T3. A ton of the new characters were literally born in that time gap. Jin child of Kazuya and Jun. Steve Fox is technically the child of Nina.
This theory makes sense as Heihachi didn’t originally know about Jin and after meeting his grandson switched to training and using him for his experiment
All these RETCONS show that they really don’t care about their own game story…
Her name was never Mishima; she was "illegitimate". However, Heihachi referring to her as _"my daughter"_ perhaps legitimizes her as Reina Mishima? I mean, if Heihachi can't recognize his daughter as legitimate, _who can?_
There's still a question mark regarding Reina though. Was that child Heihachi spared her, in which case she's much older than we think? Or was it her mother? I think it was her mother. That makes Heihachi even more sus and disturbing because then you have to figure out how exactly Reina was conceived. Also keep in mind that she harnesses electricity like the other Mishimas. So, did Heihachi keep that child prisoner, impregnate her when she was old enough, and then got rid of her once Reina was born? Or is Reina a lab baby like Steve? How many attempts did it take? Knowing Heihachi, surely he wanted a girl this tie around because she'd be easier to raise and manipulate. And make no mistake: he'll ditch her as soon as she's served her purpose.
Reina knowledge and status as a member of the clan creates another plot hole due to (Tekken 4 Heihachi's Prologue). He was literally searching for Jin because he was the only remaining carrier of the Devil Gene. (Kazuya was thought to be dead the the time.) If Reina actually is a member of the clan then why would he need Jin when he already has her? Heihachi originally had been looking for a means to augment himself with the Devil Gene, Ogre's blood, and Genocell. Nothing about Reina makes anything make sense only creates more plot holes and contradictions. Harada should have retired as the story writer years ago.
I think Reina didn't have the devil gene Yet during Tekken 4 events
@@guillermogarcin9529 If she's part of the clan then she's born with the devil gene like everyone else was. Just because its dormant doesn't mean it isn't there.
@@guillermogarcin9529 ffs, thats not how genes work.
@@maximumdeejay She only used her devil gene at the end of the story.
@@guillermogarcin9529 STOP TALKING
Heihachi says in the intro with Reina that his plan coming to fruition depends on Reina awakening her Devil Gene. So ofc he wont reject her and already knows she posseses the Devil Gene
I mean that is her Father and June is NOT HER MOTHER and ppl gotta understand Aza is Anubis, in Japanese she is a grown women she a child power wise she doesn’t understand her power
4:50 Moon do you even know your math ???? Reina is like around 17 - 20 years old in this game , but if you know your math reina is mostly same age as kazuya around 40 years old after kazumi's death , so it is very impossible that she is a survivor , but like I said tekken story is super fked up that nothing really make any sense , harada can just bring back micheal , dr bosko and everytone gonna be like , ohh that is normal they are super humain 🤣
I mean even when they show how Heihachi survived the lava it showed Kaz looking at him falling and its funny that in T8 we see him falling with his T8 moustache during an T7 moment and reminds me back with T4 home intro version of Heihachi throwing his son to an vulcano with an different outfit instead his T2 purple suit at the end if T2 lol 😂
Condescending ass 😳
Heihachi could've waited many years to kill the Hachijo clan, or Reina might just be claiming to go to a school she doesn't actually attend and is older than she seems. There is too much room for possibility, regardless of how absurds the possibilities can be.
4:05 it is because the Mishima's are more special than the devil gene since you know Heihachi survive quite a lot for he's age and also the lore of the Mishima family is huge because it is a clan and the clan head being Jinpachi next in line was Heihachi .. that's why they send child assassin .. because if they send an adult like raven they would be killed by Jinpachi or Heihachi
And also the Kazamas share the same ancestral roots of Zafina's clan
I knew she was a Hachijo (Kazumi clan) since those were the people with Azazel's power (Devil Gene) and she awakened it in the story (the very end). Didn't need this to know lol
When Kazuya hut her eith beam, she had reawoken with the devil red eye which means she did unlock it. Maybe not the transformation but the power itself manifested in her and gave the same red devil eyes as Jin, Kazuya, & Kazumi.
I think most Hachijo CAN'T use the devil power, I speculate only ONE Hachijo is the devil at a single time(Kazumi had it, and when she died it went to Kazuya, and when Kazuya "died" part of it went to Jin, and Reina gained the power when Kazuya and Jin lost theirs.)that is why they sent Kazumi, who might be the only one with it at the time, and Heihachi spared Reina(or perhaps Reina's mother) because she has the potential for devil power should Heihachi kills Kazuya and Jin.
Watch hiehachi get tired of her not unlocking it and going with the one thing he knows will work.. the cliff 😅
It’s like poetry it rhymes😂
Only Mishima's have electric ki.
I think it’s very likely that she’s still a Mishima, in the same way Jin is. He claims his mother’s name, but there’s no denying Kazuya Mishima is his father.
I think Reina is Heihachi’s daughter still and has claim to the Mishima name, but is undeniably a daughter of the Hachijyou clan. Whether she is Kazumi’s daughter and was spared, or the daughter of the child he spared and “experimented” on, is where I think we still aren’t sure.
You think she's his daughter? She *is.* She outright says it in her intro with Heihachi. He sired Reina with another member of the Hachijo clan, I cannot be sure about that. We'll have to wait and see.
she's more than just a Hachijo, she has Heihachi's eyes, they both have a kinda crooked left eye.
Moreover, her Devil form’s haircut is very similar to Hei’s.
Either Kasumi is being kept alive through magic to be impregnated by Heihachi and thats how Reina is born or another woman a descendant of Hachijou is found revealed to be the actually mother.
That would be pretty fucked up but i wouldn't put past Heihachi.
@@tek87 Exactly. Lars is a perfect example of that. He somehow found the time to get it on with a Swedish broad, somehow lol
I like that idea for Kazumi which would do three things to the story, and that one of them would be they can bring her back in a plausible manner that makes sense, paint Heihachi as the ultimate evil monster of the series that he always was, and give more reason for Kazuya to hate his father more and realize the error of his ways if he finds and discovers what his mother has been through.
Reina vs heihachi fight intro shows heihachi knows about devil Reina and it's HIS plan for her to awaken it.
@@cbimz mostly Heihachi use Reina for his plan or something else
watch heihachi betray her
So Reina awakened Jin powers without her own awakened, but kazuya's true devil form couldn't do the same to Reina ( at first)
Did Harada write this?
That being said,he(heihachi)probably raised Reina as a contingency plan bc g corp reanimated kazuya in tekken4 and also jin is not on his “side”because heihachi shot jin in tekken3.
I think Reina is around 17-20 years old in Tekken 8.
My Original Theory is that Reina was Conceived Similarly to Steve Fox using Heihachi’s and Kazumi’s DNA or be the Secret Child of Kazuya, now I don’t know
That background Reina 😂😂😂
Alright?
Actually kazuya and jin are hajijos too
@@heavenlyweather117 not like they'll do anything cool with that info.
Tekken writer maybe: *Snaps fingers* Wait wait actually never mind, they still have the devil gene.
@@Cherry91Ngl believing they truly lost the devil gene would be you being naive lol
@@DanielThomas-nv1gz oh I know bro! They'll proly walk it back like they did everything else cause these guys can't write for shit lmfao. So I fully expect them to still have it. Gotta even out the odds, y'know.
@@Cherry91 not even just that it’s the fact the devil gene is too much of a staple of Tekken to leave Tekken
Yup and Jin has 3 bloodline types
Reina's wicked alright she may have fallen from grace due to nerfs and Heihachi but she still has some of her old wickedness within her small frame.
Reina attracted me to Tekken 8 for a number of reasons including her personality and style being appealing my roster has since evolved away from here to...other abominations.
I like her a little bit more now.
I DESPISED her before this info.
A video discussing about Reina’s lore? Sign me up 😏
I still wish T2's intro with Angel with Kazuya together, to show that she was there to try to protect him was still a thing...
Doesn't explain how she got electric wind powers... which is also an "std"
Reina said in the base story she went to mishima polytech.
@@youaintsayianshytt1214 That doesn't mean anything. Going to a Mishima school doesn't give you Mishima exclusive lightning powers.
Reason why heihachi raised reina? Its so simple and makes a lot of sense, this story has happened before and thats why reina gave me early jin kazama vibes
Heihachi is simply using reina for her devil gene just like he did or wanted to do to jin
This was because Tekken works with sweet baby inc..,so they made the girl “the one”
As a gay black man..
I am just glad to see the Tekken Wiki no longer has *TEKKEN WIKI* in ugly lgbtq+lmnop flag colors.
That was one of the most random and dumbest woke decisions for the site owner/s to make.
They already retconned the kasumi thing?
But how is it that Reina acknowledges Heihachi as her father and share similarities in terms of fighting style?
Or he's gonna pull a Tekken 3 and pop Reina in the head like he did Jin and make Reina go ape shit on Heihachi like Devil Jin did in Tekken 3 lol
You gonna do any sparking zero?
does it even matter? all fighting games now have canon wise the absolute trash tier of story telling. there’s nothing to explain because the people making it don’t give a shit and just come up with shit on the fly
my theory was and this would make most sense that reina is nina and kazuyas child. reina has dialogue with nina, colors are that of kazuya and nina, it would also explain how she has the devil gene and she was created when kazuya and nina were in cryosleep. but raised under heihachi.
that would have tied it all together but major plot point lost is that azazel once he’s destroyed no one should have the devil gene period.
so her still having is another mcguffin on top of an already shit plot hole ridden story line
If reina is not a mishima then how does she even have lightning that is something only the mishima’s have
Azazel has lightning. Kazumi’s clan are descendants of a devil that escaped Azazel’s rule according to the new lore in Tekken 8. The devils are an extension of Azazel. At least that’s how I summed it up.
The theory of reina being an old heihachis experiment to obtain the devil gene makes more sense than this explanation
@@Mr.Grimm1Mishima lighting and Devil lighting are both different.
Why does she have heihachi hair when she goes to her Devil mode?
Maybe Heihachi banged another Hachijo girl and Reina was born.
@@muhammedraashid3667reina did say in the base story that she went to Mishima polytech.
There goes my hope of kazumi returning
Nightmare Geese, or non canon character, she dont have to be alive to be in the game.
Heihachi wasn't a child when they met
In the old days - clans sent women and children as spies and assasins. Refer to the Geisha. You don't have to agree with it, but it occurred.
This is Tekken. A fiction based fighting game, and we are worried about what!?
I think they both plan to betray eachother
Jin is the ichigo of tekken
One of the worst retcons was introducing Azazel, they should left it alone with Kazuya making a deal with the devil and ultimately usurping control in T4’s final battle.
First of, Azazel isn't a retcon, it is a added information. Also Kazuya never made a deal with the devil, it was only a rumor in the Tekken universe that he made that deal, but it was never fully confirmed. This is stated in the Tekken 2 instructions manual.
@@RoyArkon I still wish T2's intro with Angel with Kazuya together, to show that she was there to try to protect him was still a thing...
@@sevionus80 I hear ya, and the worst part is that we did get a supernatural being protecting a Mishima in Tekken 8, that's Devil Jin protecting Jin, and they made it look like Ichigo and Hollow Ichigo from Bleach, and it was so forced and unnecessary.
She got retconned to just be jun
@@vikingfromnorth45 Yeah, Jun became the holy light priestess of the series.
IF SHE ISN'T MISHIMA WHY CAN SHE DO LIGHTNING?!
They sent Kazumi as a child to gain trust.
@@reryaa fair enough. But then they should've sent someone tougher and more experienced when it was obvious Kazumi wouldn't be able to do the job. How did they think she'd still kill someone she loved and had a family with? It was that oversight that eventually undid them.
There is a Story?
Heihachi will betray Reina just like he has everyone else. It's obvious he is only using her.
Is he making all of this up or is there a source? My copy of Tekken 8 doesn’t say this 😂
Bruh 😂. W intro
Those are called Mishima monks.. the style is called Mishima style fighting the monks practice go back and watch the story and listen to who the monks are they are Tekken monks
Who does Reina have to **** to recreate her clan?
What is that movie in your intro?
Looks like an Akira Kurosawa film. Not sure which one specifically.
Still believe Reina is 100% Mishima and btw what about King ( 2 ) prob being Heihachi son as an theory cause he was an orphan ?
More clickbait yay! Just because is says, "found a baby girl" doesnt mean its Reina. If u actually analyze it, it doesnt even make sense
She’s of the Hachijo clan? Heihachi found her? Is this legit?🤔 bc if it is Maaan I felt better when it was actually his blood daughter who he experimented on.
Yep, i saw that in the documents of the update. She is a Hachijo, not a Mishima. He killed all the Hachijos
Just like Kazuya and Jin, she is both Mishima and Hachijo. You are wrong , end if story. The child Heihachi spared is Reina's moth.
@@dreamcastdazia4753 *mom
Reina is actually such a corny character. Random girl comes into the 8th installment in a series with no past references and is suddenly the most important character in the story.
thats literally jin in tekken 3
^ Way earlier installment in the series with more interesting character relationships and a reasoning for his sudden appearance actually making sense.
Not really we got the archives
You're just mad that she's a girl. Misogynist...
Reina has borderline personality disorder, or some kind of other mental illness that has her switch personalities on a whim as we saw in Lidia's story expansion. Perhaps Heihachi has this as well, given how we saw him fight against his own alter ego that's the monster we've known him as throughout the Tekken franchise.
People really forgetting Kuma and Lee can use electrics
I think Reina didn't get as popular as Harada expected so they made up a new story for her just to throw her in a trash in the future
Not really they never expected to be more popular than expected
@@vikingfromnorth45source
Isn't she one of most popular
@@You_go2000 from an interview a while back
Tekken’s story is dumb and DRAGGED. I wish they shift the focus on other characters more. Less screen time for Mishimas, Alisa, Lars and boring ass Nina.
Exactly, the Tekken storyline is so stupid that it is beyond salvaging! Reboot the series!
Oh Lord have mercy this is just reminds me of avengers Infinity war scene with Thanos killing Gamora Own people and then adopting her And That explains Reina Backstory, not just that, but oh She having the devil gene She’s going to kill Kazuya and anyone else affiliated with him.
Reina said she went to mishima poltech in the base story which explains the electric stuff.
That makes no sense, it’s just a school.