To be fair these records were never intended to be stored unopened. The sleeves (inner and outer) were little more than a shipping container. The outer ones being ripped on day one and the inner ones falling apart and tearing with use. I know sealed records are worth more but personally I would be much more happy with a mint condition original pressing that had been transferred to a good quality sleeve for long term storage. Great video! these things need to be said.
@@phrtao Your comment is perfect and you accurately described the reality of the situation. We really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience with us and everyone. I hope people will understand that it’s ok to collect sealed records but it comes at a very high risk. As you said (and as I’m currently in the process of doing) records are manufactured with the intention of being opened. Thank you again for watching and taking the time to contribute an intelligent response. ✌🏽 Steve
Unopened shrinkwrap will continue to shrink over time as well. I open all of my records, whether I intend playing them or not. And there are very few I haven't played. Thats what they are made for.
Again, because sometimes you have more than one copy of the same pressing. Maybe it was great deal, or maybe you bought 2.. 1 to play, one to collect. Of course, you might have a problem with doing such things as I just mentioned too. Btw- even if you open the record, the inner sleeve damage will be the same. When you change the sleeve, let's just hope all our new inner sleeves that are deemed safe, stay safe years down the road.
I used to be the same until one day a close friend passed away and I realised why am I keeping them sealed for someone else's enjoyment if this same thing happens to me. I open, I listen, I'm ocd and look after them. I buy them for my pleasure no one else's
Sorry for your loss. There are many reasons people have sealed records in there collections. My reason for having so many sealed records is that I accumulated them in large collections and never made the time to get to them and decide what to keep and what to sell. I’m still in that process but I have other responsibilities and things to do. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with us. Steve
There are record ‘collectors’ and people who listen to records. There is also the intersection of these two separate things. For ‘collector’ read prospector/investor.
Any record I buy is lucky to make it 2 hours at home before it’s opened and getting dizzy. Just spent $250 on an original pressing ‘98 Soul Coughing album from Japan that was still sealed. It lasted 90 seconds before it was in contact with the clean Seattle air, getting ready to make noise. Records are for listening, not putting on the wall or saving to flip. It’s about the music, not the money.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. It really helps others grow and learn in the hobby. The level of knowledge in the vinyl collecting hobby differs greatly from one to another. I learn from so many of you. At times it can feel like a childhood scolding which can be difficult to digest as 58 years old. Aging wisely teaches to humble ourselves and continue to learn from others. Thank you for educating us. Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission Usually it wasn't a hobby to buy records . Look the 1950-1985 era people bought records because they loved the tune or the album some others bought it for the cool cover but were rare back then . Honestly if i see a second hand David Bowie album that goes for $5 that is still in great shape and one new one from today sealed which is badly mastered or is rehashed for $60 well my choice is easy the $5 one . French artist Jean-Michel Jarre is best to buy everything from the original label Dreyfus than lately Sony which is really bad has distortion, some seconds are missing on some of his albums Records and CD's etc.... Sony wanted to get a quick buck without offering quality sadly 😢
@@TheVinylRecordMission vinyl isn’t a hobby. Music is life and vinyl is the air for maintaining life. Buy vinyl to listen, to enjoy, to get you through a rough day, to celebrate life’s excitement. Vinyl is not model trains or baseball cards or a quest. Vinyl is a method of bringing music into one’s life. That’s all. Listen to it until the grooves are gone then buy another copy. That’s all.
Most of my sealed records have come I bulk collections we’ve purchased. That’s why they sit sometimes and don’t get opened right away. Whenever I buy a personal record and it’s sealed I opened it immediately to play it and re-sleeve it. ✌🏽 Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission The Bernie Grundman more recent reissue of Wish you Were you here sounds far superior to the 2011 issue. I would recommend the upgrade.
@@juliosanchez95 Thank you, Julio! I love the sound of that! BG is a definitely a leader in the game and seldom disappoints. I’ll be in the market for one of those. I appreciate the recommendation. ✌🏽
I believe it's a collectors thing. I wanted to make a giant model railroad, I started messing with HO trains when I was 12. Unfortunately I never got to build it. I'm 61 and have quite a large collection of engines, rolling stock and vehicles. That being said, I can understand how it would happen.
Again, because sometimes you have more than one copy of the same pressing. Maybe it was great deal, or maybe you bought 2.. 1 to play, one to collect. Of course, you might have a problem with doing such things as I just mentioned too. Btw- even if you open the record, the inner sleeve damage will be the same. When you change the sleeve, let's just hope all our new inner sleeves that are deemed safe, stay safe years down the road
Thanks to you and Channel 33 RPM for the heads up. I am in the process of going through all my Blue Note labeled records including Tone Poets and Classic Vinyl, many still sealed. What I have found is that all the records that were previously opened, regardless of sleeve construction, are OK - no ghosting. My guess is the vinyl gas is allowed to escape from an open sleeve. Sealed records that have the ghosting, also have the the "pink-hued" vinyl sleeve. After I am finished with the Blue Notes, I'll go through the rest of my collection, opening anything that is sealed. Also, I am replacing all of the all vinyl sleeves with archival sleeves, as I have already done with my older paper-sleeved LPs. The same problem with vinyl gassing shows up on electric guitars that are closed up in their cases for long periods of time. Small screw heads begin to show corrosion even in a temperature and humidity controlled environment. Thanks again and I am subscribing to your channel.
Hi Flatrocker. I’m going to be so relieved when I finish opening all my sealed records and putting them in proper inner sleeves. Sounds like you have an amazing Jazz collection. Jazz is definitely my first and favorite genre to collect. I collect other genres but I listen to Jazz and classical the most. I like your hypothesis for the gas being able to escape therefore it doesn’t spread on the record. Humidity and temperature are also the enemy as you stated. That’s crazy about the electric guitar and screws corroding 😳. Thanks for subscribing to our channel. We hope to continue providing interesting and entertaining content. Your support is greatly appreciated. ✌🏽 Steve
@flatrocker6675 I think that could be why some record manufacturers in the fifties and sixties put slits at the two bottom corners of the record sleeve: to let the record breathe so to speak and to also help with dust removal. In fact, this is a practice that I have maintained for years: after cleaning and replacing the old, worn record sleeves on used records that I've purchased with new poly lined a la mobile fidelity etc. I cut a slit at each bottom corner of the new poly lined sleeve. My reason for doing so is to keep dust that has accumulated on the record while playing to a minimum after replacing the record into its sleeve. Once the record is back in its sleeve, I blow into the sleeve a few times, which loosens the dust on the record and removes it from the sleeve via the two slits. I also cut slits into the bottom corners of new record sleeves if the sleeves are closed. I wholeheartedly recommend cutting slits into the two bottom corners of all record sleeves to reduce dust accumulation as well as the effects of gassing.
@DorianPaige00 I guess this is the price we pay for living in an imperfect world...appreciate your input and like the idea of flapped sleeves...may have to try...thanks!
I also have noticed that in some of my more recent purchases, the outer sleeves have several small perforations in them about the diameter of a number two pencil eraser. This certainly allows offgassing to escape.
@@TheVinylRecordMission Appreciate the support. Would love to build a humble poly synth some day, if/when time permits! Bill's colourful choice of voicing and playful triad runs are simply magical. A high school friend introduced me to his works (for which I am truly grateful), and we would often recite pieces on the piano in duet form.
@@navboi12 Wow! That’s beautiful about how Bill’s music influences you. I love hearing that. His music inspires me in similar ways. Thanks for sharing. I will be doing some upcoming videos on Bill, his recordings and career. Hope you join me. Take Care. Steve
Its called outgassing. I had thrown out some sealed verve record albums from the 1960's that I got 2 or 3 years ago. The original shrink that was used to seal the record had begun to break down. When that happens and some materials break down over time they will give off a gas. That can seep right into stuff. I figured out that got right into the record cover onto the record right through the inner paper sleeves. It turned the black vinyl a dingy grey color that also produced a terrible sound on the record it's self that was permanent.
Sorry to hear that, Josh. I’m hoping to prevent that from happening to myself and others by sharing this video. Thank you for watching and sharing your story with us. ✌🏽
Thanks for the callout, Steve. This explains the recent uptick in my subscription count. The Steely Dan album is beautiful. There's a market for sealed albums, which collectors don't like. There's something to be said for a paper sleeve. Great video. Hope your week is going well.
Hi Mark! You’re more than welcome for the shout out. You’ve been supportive of me from the get-go. I’m happy to do the same for you whenever possible. And oh my did that Steely Dan sound amazing when I drop the needle on it. it was sealed for 13 years and came out of the jacket as beautiful as the day it was pressed. Not sure what their recipe is, but it certainly is a tasty one. Thanks for digging with us Mark. Have a great week as well. Steve
Records from the '60's and early '70's,especially Beatles,Stones,and others are way more valuable sealed.The price of a sealed Andy Warhol banana Velvet Underground,or 13th Floor ElevatorsTheChocolate Watch Banders on Tower,or The Fabulous Ronettes,or any other higher end titles,good luck finding them sealed,anyway,but you'd be an idiot to open them,considering how much other original copies not sealed go for.
@@ronmartin4212 hi Ron, I’m certainly glad I don’t have any sealed holy Grail Records like the ones you mentioned. I would be that idiot lol that would happily open them just so I could be sure they were in minty condition. I own a sealed box set of the Guns N’ Roses appetite for destruction, locked, and loaded box set. it was produced during the time that they were using PVC inner sleeves. Now that I know the damage that those inner sleeves can cause I am afraid to leave the albums sealed for much longer. I just might be opening the albums and 7 inch singles included in that G and R box set. We appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.
Then they were in PVC sleeves because that's how they got the bag rash. Never heard of it as ghosting. This applies to PVC inner sleeves, so it's not about being sealed, it's about being in PVC. I'm not opening my sealed records from the 60s and 70s over it, there's no PVC.
@@PurpleHounding it's not just the pvc, acid from the paper inners can leech on to the vinyl as well without air. Sometimes it effects the sound, sometimes not. Recently bought a sealed 1994 1st press of Pearl Jams ten, has a thick paper inner, the whole surface of the vinyl was covered in a weird haze pattern, still there after cleaning. Luckily this time it had no effect on the sound. I bought a sealed1970's copy of Manfred mann's nightingales and bombers, it had a plain paper inner but the whole surface was covered in a weird haze, that time it made the record unlistenable. Same thing with a sealed 1st press of John Lennon's imagine, that one was warped from the shrink contracting over the years, and the paper inner left haze marks all over the inner, which made a lot of noise during playback. I have given up on buying any vintage sealed records now.
@@murch13 Something also has to depend on if the owner even gets listening mileage out of what they open. The inner PVC sleeves have the film dust, and the heavy duty PVC outer sleeves compressed for the bag rash. If you're not playing your records or have an archive (any more than one copy of the same album), leaving one sealed won't hurt your collection when the market is still high for sealed vintage anything. I mean you don't have to play everything if you're a buyer/seller/trader. I'll leave all the Elvis sealed, thanks. Paper inner sleeves also gouge and scuff records to the max with enough handling of them. I hate paper inner LP sleeves. You can also tell pretty well if an album is warped without opening it.
You just saved me tonight. I was unaware that these pink inner sleeves were PVC. After watching your video I went and pull all my Nirvana reissues from 2009-2010. Some had that same off gasing haze that your wish you were here album had. It wiped off with a wet wash; I wet washed everything before re-sleeving it into vinyl storage solutions 3 mil inner sleeves. Even if it looked ok; I washed it anyway. this also included the sub pop 20th anniversary white vinyl of Bleach. Whole reason I bought that was for the live record. I am going to pull my Foo Fighter records next that I bought at about the same time. Because I seem to remember some of them having pink inner sleeves. Thanks so much for taking the time to post a video about this. I too have sealed stuff from the 80s and 90s. Scary. We are all trying to think of the future and things like this just can destroy your collection quietly while it sits on a dusty shelf!
@@EdLawless I’m happy to help. Glad you got to your records before any irreversible damage occurred. Sounds like you have a really awesome collection! Keep up the great collecting. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Steve
This is something as a UK collector that I'm all too familiar with regarding off gasing. Our poly lined inner sleeves that were in production from the mid 60s to early 70s are prone to it. Decca, Deram, Polydor, Philips, Fontana, Atlantic, Vertigo and others all used poly lined inners that can result in the 'sweating' effect. Thankfully the majority aren't affected but a small percentage were. Whether that sweating is purely down to the chemical reaction or also the impact of bad storage, heat, damp etc I don't know. Heavy PVC outers certainly can have an impact but in my experience less so. People get hung up on others having sealed records. Who cares, it's a personal choice. I have over 6000 lps and probably have 50 or so sealed records, mainly modern releases from the last 15 years that I just listened to online and never got round to cracking the seal. Some are worth more now sealed and some worth as much as I paid when I bought them, such is the strange world of record values and desirability. As has been said many times, we're all just temporary custodians of our records anyway so do what you wish with them. Cheers Nigel
Great to meet you, Nigel! You are so correct about people keeping and collecting sealed records being a personal choice. People should NOT be judged by others for having sealed records in their collection or collecting sealed records. It is NOT a mental illness as some viewers have claimed. In truth, those who feel they must judge others and diagnose them with mental illnesses and disorders and such simply because of a difference of opinion and preference have controlling personalities and ideologies. That type of behavior may actually stem from real personality disorders lol. I also see others on UA-cam who subscribe to the philosophy that “It’s only about the music, not the money” They attempt to put anyone who buys, sells, collects or flips vinyl records for monetary reasons in a negative light. What happened to freedom? Do those judgmental critics not understand the very music to which they are listening took lots of money to make? Recording contracts are ONLY about money. Do they think The Rolling Stones are still touring at 80 years of age for “The Music”?! Have they seen the price of a concert ticket lately?! 😂 Music is all about “The Money”. It’s hilarious to me that some individuals want to dictate to others what to do with their hard earned money. I could go on and on. Your knowledge of inner sleeves and their negative effects is impressive. Thank you so much for sharing with us. Thank you for watching and commenting, Nigel. We greatly appreciate your support. From one record custodian to another, Cheers! ✌🏽 Steve
And now they can go OCD on ......... triaging their 'collection'. NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO, with the BEAUTIFUL MUSIC .... on their LPs. I find it all rather TRAGIC.
here in OZ records never were shrink wrapped, not in the old days anyway, the records came to the shop, and the empty sleeves were in the bins, you took the sleeve to the counter and the staff would have them in company paper sleeves, and put them in the record cover. the company paper sleeves , i believe were used to record sales numbers and order more copies
@TheVinylRecordMission I have a number of albums still sealed but I doubt if any are older than 15 years old. I'll get on it and get them opened. I've been surprised recently as to how many new releases/reissues don't have poly liners on certain labels. I transfer everything to poly 👍
Good information. Wonder on the pvc sleeves used on records that are sealed with a little static charge attracting elements of the pvc Thanks for sharing
Another thing when I was stationed in Germany 79-80 I would buy vinyl there. Some of the pressings were horrible. You’d pull the record out and there was excess of the vinyl mask on the lp. You had to literally pull it off. Apparently poor quality control during that period 😊
How many of the 200 were damaged? Pardon me I just stopped in after opening my sealed 1st pressing of velvet underground and Nico, cuz I just really wanted to hear Sunday morning .
@@arzabael Not done yet! Opened one so far from 1972 and it was fine. No warp no ghosting no problem. I’ll make another video when I get to my first pressing VUAN. 🤣🤑
@@TheVinylRecordMission your viewers are under the influence that the large majority of those 200 will be ruined, it’s what they recite to themselves everyday without having this kind of proof that you can supply
I have many many vinyl reissues in my own collection which I have kept sealed since I first bought them, and the main reason for this, is due to the fact that in the most-part, I think when collectors are given the choice between purchasing a vinyl record online which is brand-new and sealed up, or alternatively buying the same record but unsealed and maybe pre-played but Mint or Near Mint, then I think most would buy brand-new and sealed up. You see, on market-places such as Ebay and Discogs and Amazon, there is always so many competitors. So, if one day you wished to sell off your record collection, and chose one (or more) of those market-places to get-rid. Then the chances of receiving buyers for the records you have un-sealed shall drop dramatically against competitors selling the exact same records, but brand new and sealed up. That really is the psychology behind it in my mind. But, for any record collector who has no concerns about this issue, such as wishing to keep your vinyl collection as long as you live. Then you may as well unseal every record, as losing money is never really an issue you need worry about. I do find it silly that there are people saying things like, "Vinyl Records are there only to Play, so to keep them sealed defeats the objective of what they are created for". Well, I'm afraid that may be the 'Logical-Deduction' to say, but since when are all Vinyl Record collectors logical minded haha. It's basically each-to-their-own-preference. Before CD's came out. I used to play quite a lot of Vinyl, and opened every record. But, as I started to buy a lot of CD's, but still found myself as a Vinyl-Junkie lol. Then things changed. I just loved owning the Vinyl, but playing the CD became more practical and pleasurable in so many ways. Especially when being mobile, like playing CD's on my Walkman, or in my Car. Of course, now it's just too easy to put on UA-cam and listen to so much for 'Free' and so quickly. Another thing is, that Vinyl Reissues (especially Record Store day releases) are just so expensive. Yet again, you remove the cellophane and in most cases, the price drops anyway from the Record Store Day release date - until larger saturation caused by multiple online sellers on market-places such as I describe. So, if I open them all up, and then one day try to sell, and then factor in the 12.8% seller fees, and the Postage and Packing costs - which shall forever-rise. Then the chances of ever getting my full money back is very unlikely. Sorry I babbled on as long as I did. This initially was meant to be short reply haha.
Your comments are as on point as could be. I’ve been an eBay seller for 20 years. Last time I had an eBay seller’s run was in 2023. I turned a quick 5,000.00 net profit selling mostly sealed records. I quadrupled my investment with that acquisition. I buy and sell for the fun of it and the thrill of it as well. I love growing my collection by picking out what I want and selling the rest. Everything you shared is correct. As far as depreciation goes with sealed versus unsealed it doesn’t affect me financially in the least. I will only open sealed records I intend to keep. The other sealed inventory will be sold off or used for trading. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. It was quite therapeutic for me. I felt like someone understood where I was coming from. We think alike. ✌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Thank you for this content! My father who has been buying records all his life, has always purchased 2 of any album he thought was awesome. Play one, store one. All floyd, led zepp, Bowie, Sabbath etc… I showed him this video, and he has checked a few batches of Lp’s from each decade from the early 60’s to present. And all his really old vinyl is fine, but a handful of albums from the last couple of decades have this exact same issue😱 He doesn’t collect for money, but for historical and family purposes. He said when the lord takes him, his record collection will come to me. I think that’s cool, and i am doing the same thing myself now for my kids. I Really appreciate this, and so does my Da 🫡☺️✌️
Oh man this was very nice to read. Thank you and your Father for the kind words. You father’s reasons for collecting one to play and one to store for inheritance purposes it seems, is beautiful. I greatly respect 🫡 how your Father thinks. He sounds like a really great guy who has raised some wonderful children. Best of luck to you and your family. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience with us. ✌🏽💪🏽🫶🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission Thank you dude, blessings to you! And you channel, this is a really lovely corner of the internet here! I watched a few of your videos, it’s nice to see passion✌️➕❤️☺️
It's the Heavy PVC sleeves that leach and ghost as you mentioned. 60's and 70's had corrosive dye in the paper sleeves and did the same damage. "Ghosting" is good description.
It’s difficult to know what we’re going to get anymore. A big part of record collecting has always been taking a chance. When buying big collections we have to expect that there will be some casualties lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
THIS! I was going to say, even the paper sleeves on some vintage records can "off gas" to a certain extent and leave permanent surface noise, despite it looking fine.
I have had this happen a few times .but managed to clean it off . Before cleaning them off I did play test them ,and the marks do not seem to have adverse affect on the sound quality .
Hi Philip. Good to know your records weren’t affected negatively. Since I’ve continued opening more of my sealed records I’ve had a few others affected with this offgasssing beyond playability. It’s a growing concern among collectors who haven’t gone through their collections in a long time. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience with us.
@TheVinylRecordMission l have some old Hendrix , early 70's reprise label that l do know where just sold with a paper reprise inner that had no type of pvc or polythene inner ,so as much of their value is in their age and the fact they have never been opened and do have the small vent holes, think I'm ok.leaving them sealed .
@TheVinylRecordMission Here is a tip that may work for your records that have been rendered unplayable .It may or may not work ,but is very cheap to do and can be used on all records .I clean all my records with deionised water (l think it is similar to distilled water ) l bought mine (UK) in a local supermarket and it was about £3 for a large container which will last for ages ,if It does not, no harm done as you can still use it on your unaffected records ..
@@philipbrougham6360 I couldn’t say for sure. However paper inners sleeves in shrink wrap with ventilation holes would be the least likely to be negatively affected by remaining sealed. As long as it’s stored in the proper temperature conditions it should be safe.
This reminds me a lot of comic book storage. A lot of the facsimile edition reprints I noticed leave my bags bubbly and wavy as if the cover is continuously off-gassing.
That’s a bummer. I know visual condition is the major player when it comes to Comic Books. Especially considering there is no audio to be destroyed by off-gassing. Thanks for watching and sharing. Steve
So there I was, on the toilet, casually watching this video on my phone, when you told me not to wait a minute longer. I had to open my sealed 1997 remaster of Dark Side of the Moon-I couldn't wait a minute longer! The urgency was real. I leapt up, pants barely secured, and bolted to my listening room like a man possessed, propelled by the winds of musical destiny. What a mess! Let's just say my carpets have seen better days, and no amount of cleaning will ever fully erase the, uh, evidence of my haste. But hey, at least my record isn't sealed anymore.
@@cunawarit I love bathroom humor! My apologies for causing you to expose your dark side of the moon. Glad I wasn’t there. Hope you record looks better than your carpet. Cheers, Memo. ✌🏽
Great public service video. I can’t add much to the previous comments. I’m old, and never understood the whole in the shrink thing. Just bought a Bowie 12” with unsealed shrink, and the cover was wavy because it was left in the shrink. Cheers buddy.
Hi Jack. I’m glad the wavy stopped at the cover. I’m literally going through and opening all the sealed records in my personal collection. Those outside the collection with find themselves on eBay eventually. Thanks for sharing your experience which further proves it’s wise to open sealed records for those who buy them for listening pleasure. ✌🏽 Steve
I Have a original pressing of abbey road and Let it be Both still sealed. They were part of a collection i bought from a record shop owner before his shop closed down.That was back in the late 80s. most of what i bought from him was his own private collection.back in dublin ireland
@@livinginbunkers wow! That’s a cool situation. Sounds like you did real good. 👍🏽 Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences. ✌🏽 Steve
When I buy records, I keep them sealed until I want to listen to them. Then I clean them, re-sleeve inner and outer and put them in my Discogs. This system works for me.
yes this works for me! I still have sealed records in my collection that I am waiting to open/listen to until I have the right upgraded audio equipment
I too, have had this happen. Could manufacturers use quality inner sleeves? What would that actually cost at the volume that they use? Or at least identify paper inner sleeve use.
Wow ! rather alarming 😮 this ghosting reaction thing So how does this problem actually affect the sound , it must physically damage the grooves ?? I'm now going to spend the next two days checking my vinyl 😮
@@briansmith5046 hello Brian! Based on the comments we’re receiving from other viewers and collectors, it has been hit and miss. Some individuals are opening, sealed records, and finding that their records have been ghosted with a hazy film. Others have reported opening sealed records to find them in perfect condition. All of those have been in the PVC inner sleeves. It also seems as if catching it in time prevents damage to the sound quality of the record. However, records that have been sealed or even just in the PVC inter sleeves, after being opened for long periods of time and in certain climate situations such as extreme heat or moisture and humidity are finding damage beyond repair. In the end, I guess it matters on how the records have been stored throughout this their lifetime. The ones who have caught it in time say they were able to cleanthe record why wiping off the film without damaging the sound quality. Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope this helps. Steve
All sealed records i buy always get opened that day and cleaned then put in new inner sleeves and outer plastic covers on them then i store them after the first play to make shure it sounds good. If you do not ever open the record and look at it and listen to the sound you wont know if its crap or not keeping it for 30 years dont help you enjoy the music .
Hi Dave. That’s a great routine you have. Very good point you made. Thanks for watching and contributing your thoughts and suggestions. Good stuff! ✌🏽 Steve
I watched Frank's video before this, and as I said in my comment on his video, in all my time collecting records, I have never seen one of those inner sleeves. I live in the UK and can only think that they must be unique to North America?
This can happen with CDs too. I purchased a new classical box set that had plastic sleeves for each CD. The plastic had interacted with the CD and left a film. I could not get the film off. I sent the box set back and got a replacement. Same issue. The record company sent me WAV files to replace the CDs.
@@bumblesby That’s a shame. I’m glad the company took care of you. Thanks for letting us know we should also beware when keeping sealed CDs. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Steve
I collect as well. Since 1974. I've seen this here and there. But I understand the plastic against the vinyl. But also I believe it also has in my opinion matter the temperature in the room albums are being stored in. My vinyl is all in a A/C comfortable room with a ceiling fans that stays on 24/7.
Oh wow!!! I used to buy records from you when you had a record shop in Pomona, California (off Euclid Ave). It's so cool to see that you have your own UA-cam channel and sharing great record collecting advice and knowledge!
@@mano1971music I remember you, Mono! If you’re who I think you are I recall chatting with you at The Record Mission about music and vinyl on a few occasions. Great to hear from you! Ryan and I are really happy to be working together again! Thanks for reaching out. Take care. Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission …yeah, that’s me! It’s great to see you online and talking vinyl records. Do you have a shop in another location? I noticed in your video that you mentioned Amoeba records in Hollywood, have you been to the new location off Hollywood Blvd? Good to hear from ya!
@@mano1971music Sadly no shop anymore. Landlord made it offensively unaffordable and we weren’t about to start over after all the work we put into that place. Ryan stayed in the business however working out of his home. I continued buying collections but chose to become a wine sommelier full time. We decided to start a UA-cam channel 3 months ago. I have not been to the new Amoeba. I bought a large collection that had quite a few records in it that were originally purchased at the old Amoeba location. They had Amoeba price tags on them.
I wanted to keep my Beatles Reel Music promo copy sealed it considering it came out in '82,I don't know if there would be any sleeve rash on the disc.The promos were gold vinyl.Obviously,they're scarce,so I had to make sure the disc was still mint.
@@ronmartin4212 hi Ron. It makes total sense to open a rare valuable or scarce record to make sure that the disc is in condition. Otherwise 1 does run the risk of saving something for years and years and years only to learn that it’s value is zero. Thanks for watching, and sharing your experience with us. Take care. Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I totally disagree.Opening a 13 th Floor Elevators on a IA original is going to seriously devalue it.Same with a Velvet Underground,Nico or any other high ender.Guaranteed.No question about.It could drop a few hundred dollars,or more,depending on the title and artist.Seriously?!?!?Floyd's first two Tower albums?!?!?!Really?!!!!!?That's just wrong.
@@ronmartin4212 I don’t disagree with you that the value decreases if a rare valuable sealed record is opened. I get it. I guess it boils down to the owners choice. Right? Call them names, judge them all you want but at the end of the I’ll never judge you for the decisions you make with “your” records. I think that’s the coolest thing we can do. Thanks for the enlightening discussion. ✌🏽
Thank you, interesting post. Apologies, I don't understand why you are re sleeving with paper outer with plastic inner sleeves? Isn't this just as bad as a full plastic sleeve? Hopefully you'll correct me. Thanks, Steve from the UK
I trust my cousin’s recommendation as he owns a record supply company and deal with the most discerning audiophiles on a daily basis. He said the HDPE high density polyethylene lined paper sleeves are safe as are the acid free paper ones. That’s the extent of my knowledge on that. I can appreciate your concern and question. I hope my answer is sufficient. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. ✌🏽 Steve
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@@TheVinylRecordMission I do like the HDPE sleeves, they seem to cut down on the effects of static. Thank you for taking the time to reply
Earlier this year I noticed a few of my records had wavy ghost lines. I went through all of my LPs (about 1,300) and found hundreds of them had it - nearly half. I was using thin round-bottom sleeves and two were in generic “MoFi” style inner rice paper sleeves. None of the records were sealed. I wiped off about 99% (a few didn’t look completely back to normal) of the waves using a soft cotton towel with a couple drips of distilled water to make it tacky. I re-sleeved everything in heavy duty 3mil high density polyethylene that look like Tone Poet ones. They don’t contain PVC and aren’t pink. I’ll keep an eye on them. If I have to go with paper someday I will. I’m always careful removing and returning records so paper isn’t that bad.
Hi. WOW! What a story! Thanks for letting us know it’s not just sealed records we need to worry about. I’m glad you caught it when you did. I you did lose any records. As far as I know the HDPE sleeve you re-sleeved with are safe. And you’re correct about acid free paper inners being ok to use as long as one is extra careful removing and replacing records. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽 Steve
I'll keep the original cover in plastic when possible. Removing the record, adding inner sleeve, then into the paper. Finally, I put the record behind the cover inside an outer sleeve. Nice and loose but protected.
I would still replace those paper sleeves that are lined. I’ve had records that the glue strip that holds the liner in ghosted a line in my record. Aja Cisco. Luckily I caught it before it became audible. It’s definitely visible though. Also all Impex current and recent records have the thick PVC sleeves.
@@quikspecv4d Good to know about the Impex! Thanks for the intel. I will definitely change out the Can’t Buy A Trill inner. Appreciate you watching and sharing your knowledge and experience with us.✌🏽 Steve
Every record I buy gets a multiple deep wet clean...no matter if used or brand new. After that I play the record and put it in a brand new audiophile inner sleeve.
Records that have thicker spines can create edge warps as the records curve when approaching the spine. These spines create lots of stress on the records especially when tightly sealed. If they are gatefold albums, I place the records in the middle (like a book) and not in the jacket pockets.
That’s a great idea for the gatefold. I did not know that about edge warps and I’ve had a few of those in my day. Thanks for watching and sharing your knowledge with us. ✌🏽 Steve
You will very much enjoy the original pressing of the Francis A, and Edward K. album. I bought 2 sealed originals about 10 years ago . I opened on of them and did a needle drop to my Tascam DA-3000 DSD recorder. Fantastic recording. Enjoy!
Thank you, Jason! I’m very looking forward to opening my Francis A, and Edward K. album. Nice that you have to beautiful copies. Nice Tascam recorder by the way! 👍🏽👍🏽
I have always paper sleeved all of my records, purely because I hate the plastic sleeves. Now I am even more glad I did. I never keep things sealed though, I buy them to play/use them.
Yes, I have some records with opaque pink inner sleeves that have a kind of talcy dusty feel to them. The Jim Hendrix re-issue series and a Brothers in Arms. I had to wet clean the records.
Hi Gary. Glad you were able to clean off the haze. I noticed that same Taki powdery dusty feel on the pink inner sleeves as well. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience with us.✌🏽 Steve
How do you even load songs onto an iPod these days? I say this because my four year old laptop didn’t even recognise my iPod when I tried to plug it in, as I have been told it is obsolete technology!
I typically only buy one copy (i do have pressing varriants) of a record and I open the records when I have enough to make cleaning efficient typically every 3 to 4 months.
@@danteedee8204 That’s a very good routine. I don’t usually buy multiple copies unless they are in a collection I purchase. Thanks for sharing, Dan. ✌🏽 Steve
What a bummer. Hope they resolve it with you. I’ve not had that happen to me yet but I’m sure the day will come lol. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. ✌🏽 Steve
@TheVinylRecordMission I was on a trip when I found it. I'll eventually open it when the mood hits. Vinyl is indeed meant to be played. Thanks for the reply. 😉
Records that are sealed over a period of time. Will cause ring wear on the cover of the vinyl. Also it will cause the spine to frail. The string gets tighter over a period of time. And will cause the cover to band and create creases. I know from experience I'm a Elvis record collector. You want to open your record cover put your record and behind the cover in a sleeve with a new outer sleeve on the cover.
I had some trouble with sealed records, notably Black Sabbath box sets, but I had opened them as soon as I got them, so I always open everything now. I have had double LPs with record two being from a completely different artist! Quality control is lacking these days.
Judas Priest - Nostradamus box sets are notorious for this issue. Mine included. Also take a look at picture discs. Many pictures discs are sleeved in PVC. Another indicator is the outer sleeves start becoming warped as well. So if youre looking at a particular record and it has warp outer sleeves, it may have a PVC inner sleeve inside OR the vinyl stored next to it does.
Hello there. You’re the second or third person to tell me about the Judas Priest. Nostradamus box set with the inner sleeve issues. Some have stated that their records were ruined beyond repair. thanks for watching and letting others know about the issues they should be aware of. Take care. Steve
You are right to open those . I have probably 20 or so I should open . I also have a couple I will never open . But those paper sleeves any paper sleeves will scuff the record over time I don't use them . So sayeth the PETE!
@@PeterGarner-ku7jp thank you Pete for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. I will take everything you said into consideration. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽 Steve
I had 2 records sealed a Metallica Kill ‘Em All which I did not open for over a year. I opened it and noticed the labels were both the same. They were both side one and I’m thinking wtf lol. Too late to return it or exchange it. The other was The Beatles Red album vinyl from 2014. I opened it and I’m looking through it and I’m looking at the lyrics sleeves. They are two identical sleeves with the same songs. Again im like wtf!’ The Beatles vinyl ain’t cheap. I’m thinking.Wheres the Quality Assurance. People pay their hard earned money to get product that has issues. It’s unacceptable. People open your Vinyl. Some might be warped to as well.
Interesting, a bit worried though...I collect 60ts and 70ts soul... have a few things that are sealed although pretty sure they have paper inside and have a copy of the ASCOTS rare album from Texas... seen the ones for sale and most have a warp as mine...think also in the 70ts a lot of the vinyl were quite thin and floppy compared to 60ts... I also replace my inner sleeves with poly lined paper ones... hope it's not the wrong thing to do 🙄
You’re right. Most if not all 60s & 70s soul records have paper inners and thinner to floppy vinyl. Those are definitely at a higher risk of warping from remaining sealed especially if exposed to extreme temperatures and/or stored incorrectly. My cousin owns a record supply company and says as long as they are HDPE poly lined inners you will be fine. I’m looking forward to opening that Carl Carlton. It was a gift from my good friend Mark in the vinyl community. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences with us. ✌🏽 Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission your welcome Steve, have actually opened that Ascots LP since I watched your channel... there is a slight warp.. not bad though....ohh vinyl obsession it's never ending 🙂
@@bluesoul7862 Cool that your Ascots is safe. These days there’s ways to fix warped records. Never fixed myself so I wonder if it’s a flawless process or if there is a potential to compromise the integrity of the vinyl by doing the repair. I guess I’ll have to try it out myself one day. A healthy obsession 😁
Mmmm, I have a quite a few records that have the ghosting from the outer pvc sleeves. Sure it looks awful but they all play fine. I guess if the ghosting is really bad then it may affect the sound. I have a lot of the pvc inners as well and I've had a few that leave a ripple mark which can be wiped off with a liquid solution.
Artista Records back in the mid to late ‘80s used some funky pvc like inner sleeves with their logo color printed into the plastic, which then would transfer right onto the record surface after being in storage for awhile. Beware of those! No amount of ultrasonic cleaning can bring those back from the dead.
Thank you for the heads up, Frank. I will keep my eyes open as I do come across many Arista records digging through all the boxes we have in storage. Thank you for watching and sharing your knowledge with us. We greatly appreciate your support. Steve
little off topic but I’m worried about products like Gruv Glide that use chemicals to clean (anti-static) the record - worried if those chemicals do long term damage…
I am confused now. I have third party PVC inner sleeves from spincare that claim to be of archival quality, but your video makes it sound like PVC is inherently bad for long term storage, or could cause this ghosting you spoke about. What is the solution? Pure paper only?
The Spincare inner sleeves I’m aware of are made from HDPE high density polyethylene, which has no PVC in it and is not harmful to your records. There should be no ghosting or offgassing from such sleeve material. Keep your vinyl away from any PVC products. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
I just don't understand why you'd by a record and not play it. When vinyl was king in the old days, when you bought it there was a chance it wouldn't play perfect. I guess I took maybe one in 20 records back to the store because it jumped as it was scratched. How do you know if you never open it ?
I agree. I would never buy records just to keep them sealed. However I do respect the choice of those who collect sealed records no matter their reasons. I have so many sealed records because we buy big collections in bulk. I always end up with stacks and stacks of sealed records and not the time to sit down and open every single one of the. It’s part of the business. I don’t “Collect” sealed records by I also don’t need to understand why others do. ✌🏽
I’ve been told poly lined inner sleeves are fine so i’m sticking to them! Especially with new records that have that shit shiny cd booklet style paper, of which has been used on the printed inner sleeves, and it’s nearly impossible to get the records out of them, with all that static wealding the record to them! I know hard (beach ball material like) PVC outer sleeves (which a lot of people use to protect their vinyl) causes misting on records and have removed accordingly, but poly lined inner sleeves shouldn’t cause this, as every dealer at record fairs uses these on their LP’s and they wouldn’t risk it if this was a problem!!!!
I’ve since switched to the Japanese resealable outter sleeves and I switched from acid free paper inner to HDPE lined inners. It’s definitely more expensive but so are the records we’re want to protect. Thanks for sharing your tips and recommendations with us. ✌🏽 Steve
Plain paper still scratches.it’s impossible to pull out a record without making contact with the sleeve at some point. And paper will leave hairlines on your records. I use Nagaoka sleeves personally.
Hi Charles. Thanks for the great recommendation. I’ll ask my cousin about those Nagaoka sleeves. He owns Far West Record Supply in Southern California. Thanks for watching and sharing your knowledge and expertise. Much appreciated! ✌🏽 Steve
@@charlesgund4812 It amazes me how often I see people removing a record from its inner sleeve in - what I consider to be - an improper manner. Unless you have excessive static cling it's perfectly possible to extract a disc with virtually no contact with its inner.
@@grayhalf1854 virtually no contact, but seriously not with no contact. Sorry, thats not possible. And if you do it a few times with a paper inner, you will see scuffs at some point!
As I'm watching this, it occurs to me that sleeves were originally paper. Maybe for good reason. And perhaps manufacturers of some of those plastic sleeves may have needed to place a fine layer of a non-stick powder to protect packed sleeves from sticking due to heat.
@@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion Indeed it is. Well said, David. I guess that makes me a gamblin’ man 😂 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Steve
So .. for a collectors stand point, unopened pieces are still worth a lot more than opened ones, even if the item in there had more degradation then when it was opened. So to be fair, if you want to prevent disaster you just had to leave them unopened, the next buyer still does not know the condition the record is in when it stays sealed. It's a choice, open them up to prevent the detoriation of the record and lose some value .. or leave them in the wrap. If you are to preserve the record, just open them up so future generations can enjoy.
Also. Picture discs. I had a very limited pic disc from 85 the plastic it came in had a chemical reaction to the wax n over time it browned the paper photo inside the wax, all the collectors had the same issue. I think there was one person who had one that didn’t brown. I’ve never seen that with any other pic disc. But the one I had was so far the only one that came in this very thick plastic sleeve. Usually you get a regular plastic sleeve. Just another example of pressing that companies may not be aware.
Hi Charles. Others have been mentioning the same issue with picture sleeve PVC sleeves. Over the years I have always wondered why some pictures discs have so much surface noise. In some discs it can be difficult to see the ghosting or hazing but it can be heard if it’s severe. Thanks for watching and sharing your story with us. ✌🏽 Steve
We sold 2 sealed records from our vintage record store and the customer opened them. One was cracked and the other warped. We returned their $. I don’t see the benefits of leaving the album sealed.
I've long held the belief that if you're storing your collection long-term there's nothing wrong with decent quality paper inner sleeves. If the discs go in clean and are stored vertically then I really don't see the issue. And at least you're spared the potential for some kind of plastic-on-plastic reaction over time...
@@grayhalf1854 well said. That’s great advice and I believe it to be very true. We appreciate you watching and taking the time to share your thoughts. Steve
You're not safe with paper sleeves either... Depending on the type of paper used and what chemical processes were used, some paper sleeves can even "off gas" to a certain extent, leaving permanent surface noise, despite the LP looking fine. I read about this over on the Steve Hoffman forums in the ultimate Led Zeppelin thread.
There's always been a debate about hazing on 60s Reprise albums from circa 1966-1967. What makes them somewhat likely to have this issue? Some say, it's how the stampers were prepared for the pressing process. Some say, "Bag Rash" from inner sleeves. Or even, it's the quality of the vinyl used. Why some Reprise albums are hazy and others are not is a mystery. I pulled a hazy Reprise album out of it's OG company "paper" inner sleeve, which leads me to question, is the haze really from a PCV type sleeve? I have even seen haze happen to only one side of a Reprise pressing before. So, again, is it really from the type of inner sleeve used? It might be from how the stampers were prepared after all. The Reprise albums that are hazed out are always from the 1966-1967 time period.
I’ve experienced that many times from those baggies I mentioned. I also find hazing or ghosting on the Emarcy pressings. Great point about the Reprise label. 👍🏽👍🏽
I bought the red Beatles Mono lp box decades ago when it was new 'n still available. I was especially interested in hearin' Sgt. Pepper's in mono. To my dismay side 2 was stereo! I wrote to Parlophone explainin' my situation. I got a reply sayin' the box sets were sold out but the executive sent me a replacement disc from his own box 'n said I needn't return my copy. I'm guessin' this mono/stereo lp is highly collectable now.
@@johncollier9280 Wow John! That’s amazing! What a great turnout for you. Win win situation. I would call the mono/stereo lp an erroneous pressings and consider it more collectible that the entire box set or in addition too if you ever sold the two together. Cool story, John! We greatly appreciate you watching and commenting. Thanks for sharing. ✌🏽 Steve
For me, I open them to make sure they’re in the return window if my pressing has any defects. I bought a copy of that Floyd album, but the 2016 Grundman. Opened it up after hearing that it was super well done, only to hear pops and clicks after an ultrasonic. I returned it and got a pristine dead quiet copy. Same exact runout grooves and pressing plant. Also I’m sure it was fine, but that towel you used made me cringe a bit. If I had my 2003 remaster of Dark Side, and you pulled that out to rub it, I’d never talk to you again. Your example is a much less expensive album, but still.
Sorry about the cloth 😬. I knew I should have used a microfiber cloth but I figured it wasn’t an expensive record and it was always faulty. I have a copy of the 2003 Sax/Gray DSOTM. It’s amazing and I would’ve never put that cotton cloth (as soft and clean as it were) on that baby. 😁 What an inconvenience having to send back your Wish You Were Here. Cool they sent you a new one. Glad it sounds great. I’ll definitely be opening all sealed records I have intentions of keeping. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with us. ✌🏽 Steve
Picture discs are notoriously housed in the pvc sleeves that gas(?) They are thick Im honestly perplexed how this is even an issue. Youd think the moment anyone was aware of the potential hazards with vinyl and this sleeve material- they'd quit using it! Though most records are definately just housed in the cheap paper sleeves. They scratch and leave bits of paper but no chemical decomposition...
Hi Uncledoom. You’re right I’ve come across many ghosted pictures sleeves and they are all in those THICK PVC sleeves. It’s very disappointing to me that the industry is not rectifying this issue. There is no way that they are unaware of this issue. Thanks for commenting and watching. ✌🏽
Honestly companies shipping picture discs in those clear vinyl sleeves without a jacket or inner-sleeve or any inserts just annoys me in general. I still want the rest of the package dangit
I forgot to mention I have that exact same pink Floyd press and I'm going to open it immediately thanks for that video I didn't know about the ghosting problem. So sayeth the PETE!
I have a sealed copy of Wish You Were Here I opened it, and there was no plastic inner.. The record is in the cardboard sleeve. I figure I have a later release of this 2011 remaster. The vinyl is fine, and no worries, I didn't mind opening it as I will spin it later this week..
@@jtsrecordroom3963 I believe the later issue you have is remastered by Bernie Grundman which I’ve been told has better sound quality than my 2011 reissue. Glad you didn’t mind opening it. Better safe than sorry.
It does sound amazing. You're right, 2016 BG and James Guthrie mastering.. Same packaging as yours minus that plastic inner sleeve. I have another copy that must be the 2011 remaster, like yours. It sounds great, too.. But my BG / Guthrie 2016 edges it out a bit !
I haven't worked out a way of playing records without opening the shrink wrap, so all of mine are opened. However I understand people collecting sealed records. But if its sealed whats the problem with ghosting? Nobody will ever know!
That’s a great point, Richard. Then there’s me. I don’t intentionally collect sealed records. Having all these sealed records is a byproduct of buying a few large collections last year. I just hadn’t made time to open the records I was going to keep. Thanks for watching and commenting. Steve
I had a few years ago when Two albums from Music Matters with pink inner sleeves. Found out it was a big issue causing damage to the vinyl. MM was mo help
@@danmartinez5502 WOW! Those are some pricey records to have such issues. I hope your records were not ruined. A great series but man the least they could’ve done was spend more money to protect the record over the long haul. Thanks for letting us know about that.
The ghosting from RTI pink inner sleeves can generally be cleaned. The problems are with glue from certain inner sleeves and chemical reaction from PVC OUTER sleeves, which cannon be repaired or cleaned.
The problem goes way way back to the 60's and beyond where plastic inners were used (this inclueds poly lined paper sleeves). They can off gas and leave a residue on the record which if left leaves a permanent mark. The plastic inners can also ooze plastisizer which again can leave permanent sounding marks on records. So its not a new problem by any means. I have resleeved all my lps and cleaned any affected. It is important to realise that the issue is very hit and miss. Maybe the storage conditions is a contributing factor? There is also the same issue with dvds and blu rays in those soft plastic cases where the plastisizer off gasses and coats the disks...but thats another story.....
@@SwingBandHeaven Thank you SBH. Your information is on point. Throughout my years of record collecting I have in fact encountered this off gassing phenomenon many times on records from the 50s and up. I’m with you that climate conditions and storage plays a huge roll. Thanks for watching and contributing great information for our viewers. ✌🏽 Steve
I’ve since started removing all the shrink wrap from my collection. Thank you for looking out for us. We greatly appreciate your insight and suggestions. ✌🏽 Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Steve
hi there are one's out there that have 2 copy of each one sealed there's alot do this with lego sets i know crazy hobbies are around i find along time ago record were coming a pain so i sold them to go over to pro reel to reel not the home deck otari mtr 12 decks love the sound of 1/2 inch tape
I wonder how many of the "just unseal all records" people in the comments were the ones who advised to "never unseal a record unless you have to cause the value will drop" some years ago. And how many would still strive for the thrill of unsealing a copy themselves instead of buying a used one? It's wonderful to learn from videos like this - but they don't make the idea of a "mint copy" somehow ridiculous.
@@peka__ Hi Peka. At the end of the day the choice of to open or not open ones vinyl records is up to them. I don’t judge anyone for the choices they make regarding their records. To me a mint copy is a mint copy sealed or open. Technically there is no guarantee that a sealed copy is a mint copy because there could be damage to the record that will only be revealed upon opening. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to watch our video. ✌🏽
Hi Trever. I’ve heard the SACD is an amazing sounding format. They are very expensive too correct? It seems they are worth every dollar. I bet Wish You Were Here sounds so awesome on that SACD. 👍🏽👍🏽
coin collectors learned long ago that PVC and other plastics decay over time and leave damaging marks. Coin collectors moved to mylar packaging decades ago
Those coin guys made a lot of sense (cents) when they moved to mylar. 😂 On a serious note I wish the vinyl industry cared enough to do the research necessary to achieve safe packaging for our precious records. Thank you for watching and commenting. Steve
I stopped buying new old sealed stock. I didn’t do it often, but recently bought a Pulley LP from ‘99 (SoCal punk) and it was badly warped. Wasn’t the seller’s fault, but I don’t like taking a risk on older sealed LPs.
@@bhoussock I can totally understand your position. It can be very frustrating. I had to return 4 copies of the 2022 RSD soundtrack release of the 1996 film The Big Night. I was disgusted with their sheer lack of consideration. Thanks for watching and commenting. Steve
Depends on the severity of the "ghosting". PVC sleeves produce a gas over time that bonds to the surface and permanently, irreversibly changes it from a smooth (= quiet) vinyl surface to a rough (= noisy) one. The only true fix is to re-polish the surface to make it smooth again, but of course that's almost impossible inside the grooves carrying the sound. Anyone wanting to know more try Googling "PVC record sleeve offgassing" or "PVC sleeve plasticizer". Ruined hundreds of my 7" singles from the 1970s and 80s that I had very carefully stored in PVC "protective" sleeves ha ha ha 😞
To be fair these records were never intended to be stored unopened. The sleeves (inner and outer) were little more than a shipping container. The outer ones being ripped on day one and the inner ones falling apart and tearing with use. I know sealed records are worth more but personally I would be much more happy with a mint condition original pressing that had been transferred to a good quality sleeve for long term storage. Great video! these things need to be said.
@@phrtao Your comment is perfect and you accurately described the reality of the situation. We really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience with us and everyone. I hope people will understand that it’s ok to collect sealed records but it comes at a very high risk. As you said (and as I’m currently in the process of doing) records are manufactured with the intention of being opened. Thank you again for watching and taking the time to contribute an intelligent response. ✌🏽
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Unopened shrinkwrap will continue to shrink over time as well. I open all of my records, whether I intend playing them or not. And there are very few I haven't played. Thats what they are made for.
" I don't know why we have to be so protective of our sealed records... Just open them and listen to them, right?" Quote of the century!
@thebestoffools Thanks for watching. I’m no longer going to be a prisoner to the plastic. 😁
Again, because sometimes you have more than one copy of the same pressing. Maybe it was great deal, or maybe you bought 2.. 1 to play, one to collect. Of course, you might have a problem with doing such things as I just mentioned too. Btw- even if you open the record, the inner sleeve damage will be the same. When you change the sleeve, let's just hope all our new inner sleeves that are deemed safe, stay safe years down the road.
I used to be the same until one day a close friend passed away and I realised why am I keeping them sealed for someone else's enjoyment if this same thing happens to me. I open, I listen, I'm ocd and look after them. I buy them for my pleasure no one else's
Sorry for your loss. There are many reasons people have sealed records in there collections. My reason for having so many sealed records is that I accumulated them in large collections and never made the time to get to them and decide what to keep and what to sell. I’m still in that process but I have other responsibilities and things to do. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with us.
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There are record ‘collectors’ and people who listen to records. There is also the intersection of these two separate things. For ‘collector’ read prospector/investor.
There are people that enjoy listening to music, and there are people that enjoy collecting items.
@@pablohrrg8677 Very well said, Pablo! Much respect to you. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. ✌🏽
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and there are people who enjoy both.
Any record I buy is lucky to make it 2 hours at home before it’s opened and getting dizzy. Just spent $250 on an original pressing ‘98 Soul Coughing album from Japan that was still sealed. It lasted 90 seconds before it was in contact with the clean Seattle air, getting ready to make noise. Records are for listening, not putting on the wall or saving to flip. It’s about the music, not the money.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise. It really helps others grow and learn in the hobby. The level of knowledge in the vinyl collecting hobby differs greatly from one to another. I learn from so many of you. At times it can feel like a childhood scolding which can be difficult to digest as 58 years old. Aging wisely teaches to humble ourselves and continue to learn from others. Thank you for educating us.
Steve
Finally a sane person !
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Usually it wasn't a hobby to buy records . Look the 1950-1985 era people bought records because they loved the tune or the album some others bought it for the cool cover but were rare back then .
Honestly if i see a second hand David Bowie album that goes for $5 that is still in great shape and one new one from today sealed which is badly mastered or is rehashed for $60 well my choice is easy the $5 one .
French artist Jean-Michel Jarre is best to buy everything from the original label Dreyfus than lately Sony which is really bad has distortion, some seconds are missing on some of his albums Records and CD's etc.... Sony wanted to get a quick buck without offering quality sadly 😢
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@@TheVinylRecordMission vinyl isn’t a hobby. Music is life and vinyl is the air for maintaining life. Buy vinyl to listen, to enjoy, to get you through a rough day, to celebrate life’s excitement. Vinyl is not model trains or baseball cards or a quest. Vinyl is a method of bringing music into one’s life. That’s all. Listen to it until the grooves are gone then buy another copy. That’s all.
I agree I thinks it's kind of strange to buy a sealed record and never open it or listen to it, lol. So strange.
Most of my sealed records have come I bulk collections we’ve purchased. That’s why they sit sometimes and don’t get opened right away. Whenever I buy a personal record and it’s sealed I opened it immediately to play it and re-sleeve it. ✌🏽
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@@TheVinylRecordMission The Bernie Grundman more recent reissue of Wish you Were you here sounds far superior to the 2011 issue. I would recommend the upgrade.
@@juliosanchez95 Thank you, Julio! I love the sound of that! BG is a definitely a leader in the game and seldom disappoints. I’ll be in the market for one of those. I appreciate the recommendation. ✌🏽
I believe it's a collectors thing. I wanted to make a giant model railroad, I started messing with HO trains when I was 12. Unfortunately I never got to build it. I'm 61 and have quite a large collection of engines, rolling stock and vehicles. That being said, I can understand how it would happen.
Again, because sometimes you have more than one copy of the same pressing. Maybe it was great deal, or maybe you bought 2.. 1 to play, one to collect. Of course, you might have a problem with doing such things as I just mentioned too. Btw- even if you open the record, the inner sleeve damage will be the same. When you change the sleeve, let's just hope all our new inner sleeves that are deemed safe, stay safe years down the road
Thanks to you and Channel 33 RPM for the heads up. I am in the process of going through all my Blue Note labeled records including Tone Poets and Classic Vinyl, many still sealed. What I have found is that all the records that were previously opened, regardless of sleeve construction, are OK - no ghosting. My guess is the vinyl gas is allowed to escape from an open sleeve. Sealed records that have the ghosting, also have the the "pink-hued" vinyl sleeve. After I am finished with the Blue Notes, I'll go through the rest of my collection, opening anything that is sealed. Also, I am replacing all of the all vinyl sleeves with archival sleeves, as I have already done with my older paper-sleeved LPs. The same problem with vinyl gassing shows up on electric guitars that are closed up in their cases for long periods of time. Small screw heads begin to show corrosion even in a temperature and humidity controlled environment. Thanks again and I am subscribing to your channel.
Hi Flatrocker. I’m going to be so relieved when I finish opening all my sealed records and putting them in proper inner sleeves. Sounds like you have an amazing Jazz collection. Jazz is definitely my first and favorite genre to collect. I collect other genres but I listen to Jazz and classical the most. I like your hypothesis for the gas being able to escape therefore it doesn’t spread on the record. Humidity and temperature are also the enemy as you stated. That’s crazy about the electric guitar and screws corroding 😳. Thanks for subscribing to our channel. We hope to continue providing interesting and entertaining content. Your support is greatly appreciated. ✌🏽
Steve
@flatrocker6675 I think that could be why some record manufacturers in the fifties and sixties put slits at the two bottom corners of the record sleeve: to let the record breathe so to speak and to also help with dust removal. In fact, this is a practice that I have maintained for years: after cleaning and replacing the old, worn record sleeves on used records that I've purchased with new poly lined a la mobile fidelity etc. I cut a slit at each bottom corner of the new poly lined sleeve. My reason for doing so is to keep dust that has accumulated on the record while playing to a minimum after replacing the record into its sleeve. Once the record is back in its sleeve, I blow into the sleeve a few times, which loosens the dust on the record and removes it from the sleeve via the two slits. I also cut slits into the bottom corners of new record sleeves if the sleeves are closed. I wholeheartedly recommend cutting slits into the two bottom corners of all record sleeves to reduce dust accumulation as well as the effects of gassing.
@@DorianPaige00 Great point, Dorian. I’ve experienced that more than few times.
Steve
@DorianPaige00 I guess this is the price we pay for living in an imperfect world...appreciate your input and like the idea of flapped sleeves...may have to try...thanks!
I also have noticed that in some of my more recent purchases, the outer sleeves have several small perforations in them about the diameter of a number two pencil eraser. This certainly allows offgassing to escape.
Thanks for the informative video. Also, great to see your appreciation for Bill Evans!
@@navboi12 My pleasure Navboi. Bill is a favorite of mine. Thank you for watching and for the kind words. I dig your Synth video! I subbed you. ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission Appreciate the support. Would love to build a humble poly synth some day, if/when time permits! Bill's colourful choice of voicing and playful triad runs are simply magical. A high school friend introduced me to his works (for which I am truly grateful), and we would often recite pieces on the piano in duet form.
@@navboi12 Wow! That’s beautiful about how Bill’s music influences you. I love hearing that. His music inspires me in similar ways. Thanks for sharing. I will be doing some upcoming videos on Bill, his recordings and career. Hope you join me. Take Care.
Steve
Its called outgassing. I had thrown out some sealed verve record albums from the 1960's that I got 2 or 3 years ago. The original shrink that was used to seal the record had begun to break down. When that happens and some materials break down over time they will give off a gas. That can seep right into stuff. I figured out that got right into the record cover onto the record right through the inner paper sleeves. It turned the black vinyl a dingy grey color that also produced a terrible sound on the record it's self that was permanent.
Sorry to hear that, Josh. I’m hoping to prevent that from happening to myself and others by sharing this video. Thank you for watching and sharing your story with us. ✌🏽
Thanks for the callout, Steve. This explains the recent uptick in my subscription count. The Steely Dan album is beautiful. There's a market for sealed albums, which collectors don't like. There's something to be said for a paper sleeve. Great video. Hope your week is going well.
Hi Mark! You’re more than welcome for the shout out. You’ve been supportive of me from the get-go. I’m happy to do the same for you whenever possible. And oh my did that Steely Dan sound amazing when I drop the needle on it. it was sealed for 13 years and came out of the jacket as beautiful as the day it was pressed. Not sure what their recipe is, but it certainly is a tasty one. Thanks for digging with us Mark. Have a great week as well.
Steve
Records from the '60's and early '70's,especially Beatles,Stones,and others are way more valuable sealed.The price of a sealed Andy Warhol banana Velvet Underground,or 13th Floor ElevatorsTheChocolate Watch Banders on Tower,or The Fabulous Ronettes,or any other higher end titles,good luck finding them sealed,anyway,but you'd be an idiot to open them,considering how much other original copies not sealed go for.
@@ronmartin4212 hi Ron, I’m certainly glad I don’t have any sealed holy Grail Records like the ones you mentioned. I would be that idiot lol that would happily open them just so I could be sure they were in minty condition. I own a sealed box set of the Guns N’ Roses appetite for destruction, locked, and loaded box set. it was produced during the time that they were using PVC inner sleeves. Now that I know the damage that those inner sleeves can cause I am afraid to leave the albums sealed for much longer. I just might be opening the albums and 7 inch singles included in that G and R box set.
We appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.
Any vintage sealed records I've bought are either warped or have had inner/bag rash. 100% agree, open them and play them to de-Burr the vinyl
@@murch13 💯 Agreed 👍🏽
Then they were in PVC sleeves because that's how they got the bag rash. Never heard of it as ghosting. This applies to PVC inner sleeves, so it's not about being sealed, it's about being in PVC. I'm not opening my sealed records from the 60s and 70s over it, there's no PVC.
@@PurpleHounding it's not just the pvc, acid from the paper inners can leech on to the vinyl as well without air. Sometimes it effects the sound, sometimes not. Recently bought a sealed 1994 1st press of Pearl Jams ten, has a thick paper inner, the whole surface of the vinyl was covered in a weird haze pattern, still there after cleaning. Luckily this time it had no effect on the sound. I bought a sealed1970's copy of Manfred mann's nightingales and bombers, it had a plain paper inner but the whole surface was covered in a weird haze, that time it made the record unlistenable. Same thing with a sealed 1st press of John Lennon's imagine, that one was warped from the shrink contracting over the years, and the paper inner left haze marks all over the inner, which made a lot of noise during playback. I have given up on buying any vintage sealed records now.
@@murch13 Something also has to depend on if the owner even gets listening mileage out of what they open. The inner PVC sleeves have the film dust, and the heavy duty PVC outer sleeves compressed for the bag rash. If you're not playing your records or have an archive (any more than one copy of the same album), leaving one sealed won't hurt your collection when the market is still high for sealed vintage anything. I mean you don't have to play everything if you're a buyer/seller/trader. I'll leave all the Elvis sealed, thanks. Paper inner sleeves also gouge and scuff records to the max with enough handling of them. I hate paper inner LP sleeves. You can also tell pretty well if an album is warped without opening it.
You just saved me tonight. I was unaware that these pink inner sleeves were PVC. After watching your video I went and pull all my Nirvana reissues from 2009-2010. Some had that same off gasing haze that your wish you were here album had. It wiped off with a wet wash; I wet washed everything before re-sleeving it into vinyl storage solutions 3 mil inner sleeves. Even if it looked ok; I washed it anyway. this also included the sub pop 20th anniversary white vinyl of Bleach. Whole reason I bought that was for the live record. I am going to pull my Foo Fighter records next that I bought at about the same time. Because I seem to remember some of them having pink inner sleeves. Thanks so much for taking the time to post a video about this. I too have sealed stuff from the 80s and 90s. Scary. We are all trying to think of the future and things like this just can destroy your collection quietly while it sits on a dusty shelf!
@@EdLawless I’m happy to help. Glad you got to your records before any irreversible damage occurred. Sounds like you have a really awesome collection! Keep up the great collecting. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
This is something as a UK collector that I'm all too familiar with regarding off gasing. Our poly lined inner sleeves that were in production from the mid 60s to early 70s are prone to it. Decca, Deram, Polydor, Philips, Fontana, Atlantic, Vertigo and others all used poly lined inners that can result in the 'sweating' effect. Thankfully the majority aren't affected but a small percentage were. Whether that sweating is purely down to the chemical reaction or also the impact of bad storage, heat, damp etc I don't know. Heavy PVC outers certainly can have an impact but in my experience less so. People get hung up on others having sealed records. Who cares, it's a personal choice. I have over 6000 lps and probably have 50 or so sealed records, mainly modern releases from the last 15 years that I just listened to online and never got round to cracking the seal. Some are worth more now sealed and some worth as much as I paid when I bought them, such is the strange world of record values and desirability. As has been said many times, we're all just temporary custodians of our records anyway so do what you wish with them. Cheers Nigel
Great to meet you, Nigel! You are so correct about people keeping and collecting sealed records being a personal choice. People should NOT be judged by others for having sealed records in their collection or collecting sealed records. It is NOT a mental illness as some viewers have claimed.
In truth, those who feel they must judge others and diagnose them with mental illnesses and disorders and such simply because of a difference of opinion and preference have controlling personalities and ideologies. That type of behavior may actually stem from real personality disorders lol. I also see others on UA-cam who subscribe to the philosophy that “It’s only about the music, not the money”
They attempt to put anyone who buys, sells, collects or flips vinyl records for monetary reasons in a negative light. What happened to freedom? Do those judgmental critics not understand the very music to which they are listening took lots of money to make? Recording contracts are ONLY about money. Do they think The Rolling Stones are still touring at 80 years of age for “The Music”?! Have they seen the price of a concert ticket lately?! 😂 Music is all about “The Money”. It’s hilarious to me that some individuals want to dictate to others what to do with their hard earned money. I could go on and on. Your knowledge of inner sleeves and their negative effects is impressive. Thank you so much for sharing with us. Thank you for watching and commenting, Nigel. We greatly appreciate your support. From one record custodian to another, Cheers! ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission Thanks Steve, a pleasure and a great reply...you nailed it! All the best...Nigel
Nigel...Enjoy the off gassing destroying your records 😆👍
If you’re accumulating a pile of sealed records you might have a problem. Just sayin..
Honey is that you!? 😂 You sound like my wife. I just point to her shoe closet full stop lol. 😉 You’re not wrong.
OCD freaks who are unaware that they are ........ NOT obsessed with ...... MUSIC.
And now they can go OCD on ......... triaging their 'collection'.
NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO, with the BEAUTIFUL MUSIC .... on their LPs.
I find it all rather TRAGIC.
here in OZ records never were shrink wrapped, not in the old days anyway, the records came to the shop, and the empty sleeves were in the bins, you took the sleeve to the counter and the staff would have them in company paper sleeves, and put them in the record cover. the company paper sleeves , i believe were used to record sales numbers and order more copies
Very cool information, Richard. Think of all the money the record companies saved by not having to buy all that shrink wrap. Thanks for sharing.
Great video. Thanks 👍
My pleasure Ian. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@TheVinylRecordMission
I have a number of albums still sealed but I doubt if any are older than 15 years old. I'll get on it and get them opened. I've been surprised recently as to how many new releases/reissues don't have poly liners on certain labels. I transfer everything to poly 👍
Good information. Wonder on the pvc sleeves used on records that are sealed with a little static charge attracting elements of the pvc Thanks for sharing
Great point blade Runner. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
Another thing when I was stationed in Germany 79-80 I would buy vinyl there. Some of the pressings were horrible. You’d pull the record out and there was excess of the vinyl mask on the lp. You had to literally pull it off. Apparently poor quality control during that period 😊
@@Bladerunner220 Extended play lol. WOW That’s plain sloppy craftsmanship.
How many of the 200 were damaged? Pardon me I just stopped in after opening my sealed 1st pressing of velvet underground and Nico, cuz I just really wanted to hear Sunday morning .
@@arzabael Not done yet! Opened one so far from 1972 and it was fine. No warp no ghosting no problem. I’ll make another video when I get to my first pressing VUAN. 🤣🤑
@@TheVinylRecordMission your viewers are under the influence that the large majority of those 200 will be ruined, it’s what they recite to themselves everyday without having this kind of proof that you can supply
I have many many vinyl reissues in my own collection which I have kept sealed since I first bought them, and the main reason for this, is due to the fact that in the most-part, I think when collectors are given the choice between purchasing a vinyl record online which is brand-new and sealed up, or alternatively buying the same record but unsealed and maybe pre-played but Mint or Near Mint, then I think most would buy brand-new and sealed up. You see, on market-places such as Ebay and Discogs and Amazon, there is always so many competitors. So, if one day you wished to sell off your record collection, and chose one (or more) of those market-places to get-rid. Then the chances of receiving buyers for the records you have un-sealed shall drop dramatically against competitors selling the exact same records, but brand new and sealed up. That really is the psychology behind it in my mind. But, for any record collector who has no concerns about this issue, such as wishing to keep your vinyl collection as long as you live. Then you may as well unseal every record, as losing money is never really an issue you need worry about.
I do find it silly that there are people saying things like, "Vinyl Records are there only to Play, so to keep them sealed defeats the objective of what they are created for". Well, I'm afraid that may be the 'Logical-Deduction' to say, but since when are all Vinyl Record collectors logical minded haha. It's basically each-to-their-own-preference. Before CD's came out. I used to play quite a lot of Vinyl, and opened every record. But, as I started to buy a lot of CD's, but still found myself as a Vinyl-Junkie lol. Then things changed. I just loved owning the Vinyl, but playing the CD became more practical and pleasurable in so many ways. Especially when being mobile, like playing CD's on my Walkman, or in my Car. Of course, now it's just too easy to put on UA-cam and listen to so much for 'Free' and so quickly. Another thing is, that Vinyl Reissues (especially Record Store day releases) are just so expensive. Yet again, you remove the cellophane and in most cases, the price drops anyway from the Record Store Day release date - until larger saturation caused by multiple online sellers on market-places such as I describe. So, if I open them all up, and then one day try to sell, and then factor in the 12.8% seller fees, and the Postage and Packing costs - which shall forever-rise. Then the chances of ever getting my full money back is very unlikely.
Sorry I babbled on as long as I did. This initially was meant to be short reply haha.
Your comments are as on point as could be. I’ve been an eBay seller for 20 years. Last time I had an eBay seller’s run was in 2023.
I turned a quick 5,000.00 net profit selling mostly sealed records. I quadrupled my investment with that acquisition. I buy and sell for the fun of it and the thrill of it as well. I love growing my collection by picking out what I want and selling the rest. Everything you shared is correct. As far as depreciation goes with sealed versus unsealed it doesn’t affect me financially in the least. I will only open sealed records I intend to keep. The other sealed inventory will be sold off or used for trading. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. It was quite therapeutic for me. I felt like someone understood where I was coming from. We think alike. ✌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission You are welcome 👍
Thank you for this content!
My father who has been buying records all his life, has always purchased 2 of any album he thought was awesome.
Play one, store one.
All floyd, led zepp, Bowie, Sabbath etc…
I showed him this video, and he has checked a few batches of Lp’s from each decade from the early 60’s to present.
And all his really old vinyl is fine, but a handful of albums from the last couple of decades have this exact same issue😱
He doesn’t collect for money, but for historical and family purposes.
He said when the lord takes him, his record collection will come to me.
I think that’s cool, and i am doing the same thing myself now for my kids.
I Really appreciate this, and so does my Da 🫡☺️✌️
Oh man this was very nice to read. Thank you and your Father for the kind words. You father’s reasons for collecting one to play and one to store for inheritance purposes it seems, is beautiful. I greatly respect 🫡 how your Father thinks. He sounds like a really great guy who has raised some wonderful children. Best of luck to you and your family. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience with us. ✌🏽💪🏽🫶🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission Thank you dude, blessings to you! And you channel, this is a really lovely corner of the internet here!
I watched a few of your videos, it’s nice to see passion✌️➕❤️☺️
It's the Heavy PVC sleeves that leach and ghost as you mentioned. 60's and 70's had corrosive dye in the paper sleeves and did the same damage. "Ghosting" is good description.
It’s difficult to know what we’re going to get anymore. A big part of record collecting has always been taking a chance. When buying big collections we have to expect that there will be some casualties lol. Thanks for watching and commenting.
There are newer poly sleeves that do the same, notably the frosted style used by RTI around 2007-2012ish..
THIS! I was going to say, even the paper sleeves on some vintage records can "off gas" to a certain extent and leave permanent surface noise, despite it looking fine.
Both thick PVC outer cover and thin poly inner sleeve bleach into the records.
I have had this happen a few times .but managed to clean it off . Before cleaning them off I did play test them ,and the marks do not seem to have adverse affect on the sound quality .
Hi Philip. Good to know your records weren’t affected negatively. Since I’ve continued opening more of my sealed records I’ve had a few others affected with this offgasssing beyond playability. It’s a growing concern among collectors who haven’t gone through their collections in a long time. Thank you for watching and sharing your experience with us.
@TheVinylRecordMission l have some old Hendrix , early 70's reprise label that l do know where just sold with a paper reprise inner that had no type of pvc or polythene inner ,so as much of their value is in their age and the fact they have never been opened and do have the small vent holes, think I'm ok.leaving them sealed .
@TheVinylRecordMission Here is a tip that may work for your records that have been rendered unplayable .It may or may not work ,but is very cheap to do and can be used on all records .I clean all my records with deionised water (l think it is similar to distilled water ) l bought mine (UK) in a local supermarket and it was about £3 for a large container which will last for ages ,if It does not, no harm done as you can still use it on your unaffected records ..
@@philipbrougham6360 I couldn’t say for sure. However paper inners sleeves in shrink wrap with ventilation holes would be the least likely to be negatively affected by remaining sealed. As long as it’s stored in the proper temperature conditions it should be safe.
@ That’s a cool tip, Philip! I never tried that. I’ll give it a go. Thank you so much for sharing with me! 👍🏽👍🏽
This reminds me a lot of comic book storage. A lot of the facsimile edition reprints I noticed leave my bags bubbly and wavy as if the cover is continuously off-gassing.
That’s a bummer. I know visual condition is the major player when it comes to Comic Books. Especially considering there is no audio to be destroyed by off-gassing. Thanks for watching and sharing.
Steve
So there I was, on the toilet, casually watching this video on my phone, when you told me not to wait a minute longer. I had to open my sealed 1997 remaster of Dark Side of the Moon-I couldn't wait a minute longer! The urgency was real. I leapt up, pants barely secured, and bolted to my listening room like a man possessed, propelled by the winds of musical destiny.
What a mess! Let's just say my carpets have seen better days, and no amount of cleaning will ever fully erase the, uh, evidence of my haste. But hey, at least my record isn't sealed anymore.
@@cunawarit I love bathroom humor! My apologies for causing you to expose your dark side of the moon. Glad I wasn’t there. Hope you record looks better than your carpet. Cheers, Memo. ✌🏽
Off gassing also happens on picture discs which come in PVC outer sleeves. I have seen it on discs all the way back in the 1980s.
Good to know. It’s must be more difficult to see on a picture disc.
Great public service video. I can’t add much to the previous comments. I’m old, and never understood the whole in the shrink thing. Just bought a Bowie 12” with unsealed shrink, and the cover was wavy because it was left in the shrink. Cheers buddy.
Hi Jack. I’m glad the wavy stopped at the cover. I’m literally going through and opening all the sealed records in my personal collection. Those outside the collection with find themselves on eBay eventually. Thanks for sharing your experience which further proves it’s wise to open sealed records for those who buy them for listening pleasure. ✌🏽
Steve
I Have a original pressing of abbey road and Let it be Both still sealed. They were part of a collection i bought from a record shop owner before his shop closed down.That was back in the late 80s. most of what i bought from him was his own private collection.back in dublin ireland
@@livinginbunkers wow! That’s a cool situation. Sounds like you did real good. 👍🏽
Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences. ✌🏽
Steve
Open it please.
@BeatleRick84 never
When I buy records, I keep them sealed until I want to listen to them. Then I clean them, re-sleeve inner and outer and put them in my Discogs. This system works for me.
@@43pages55 That’s a great system. 👍🏽👍🏽 Thanks for sharing with us.
yes this works for me! I still have sealed records in my collection that I am waiting to open/listen to until I have the right upgraded audio equipment
I too, have had this happen. Could manufacturers use quality inner sleeves? What would that actually cost at the volume that they use? Or at least identify paper inner sleeve use.
@@smkordis Precisely. I hope they’re listening. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
Wow ! rather alarming 😮 this ghosting reaction thing So how does this problem actually affect the sound , it must physically damage the grooves ?? I'm now going to spend the next two days checking my vinyl 😮
@@briansmith5046 hello Brian! Based on the comments we’re receiving from other viewers and collectors, it has been hit and miss. Some individuals are opening, sealed records, and finding that their records have been ghosted with a hazy film. Others have reported opening sealed records to find them in perfect condition. All of those have been in the PVC inner sleeves. It also seems as if catching it in time prevents damage to the sound quality of the record. However, records that have been sealed or even just in the PVC inter sleeves, after being opened for long periods of time and in certain climate situations such as extreme heat or moisture and humidity are finding damage beyond repair. In the end, I guess it matters on how the records have been stored throughout this their lifetime. The ones who have caught it in time say they were able to cleanthe record why wiping off the film without damaging the sound quality. Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope this helps.
Steve
All sealed records i buy always get opened that day and cleaned then put in new inner sleeves and outer plastic covers on them then i store them after the first play to make shure it sounds good.
If you do not ever open the record and look at it and listen to the sound you wont know if its crap or not keeping it for 30 years dont help you enjoy the music .
Hi Dave. That’s a great routine you have. Very good point you made. Thanks for watching and contributing your thoughts and suggestions. Good stuff! ✌🏽
Steve
I watched Frank's video before this, and as I said in my comment on his video, in all my time collecting records, I have never seen one of those inner sleeves. I live in the UK and can only think that they must be unique to North America?
Hi Mick. It’s very possible it’s a regional thing.
This can happen with CDs too. I purchased a new classical box set that had plastic sleeves for each CD. The plastic had interacted with the CD and left a film. I could not get the film off. I sent the box set back and got a replacement. Same issue. The record company sent me WAV files to replace the CDs.
@@bumblesby That’s a shame. I’m glad the company took care of you. Thanks for letting us know we should also beware when keeping sealed CDs. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
Great video and great topic
Glad you enjoyed it, Rigs. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
The only ones I have found were pressed at RTI around 2010 to maybe 2015 and not all.
I’ve got a few of those to open. 🤞🏼
I collect as well. Since 1974. I've seen this here and there. But I understand the plastic against the vinyl. But also I believe it also has in my opinion matter the temperature in the room albums are being stored in. My vinyl is all in a A/C comfortable room with a ceiling fans that stays on 24/7.
@@lwarrengrubb8841 I agree 100%. Temperature plays a huge role in this chemical reaction. Sounds like a great record room you have there.
Oh wow!!! I used to buy records from you when you had a record shop in Pomona, California (off Euclid Ave). It's so cool to see that you have your own UA-cam channel and sharing great record collecting advice and knowledge!
@@mano1971music I remember you, Mono! If you’re who I think you are I recall chatting with you at The Record Mission about music and vinyl on a few occasions. Great to hear from you! Ryan and I are really happy to be working together again! Thanks for reaching out. Take care.
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission …yeah, that’s me! It’s great to see you online and talking vinyl records. Do you have a shop in another location? I noticed in your video that you mentioned Amoeba records in Hollywood, have you been to the new location off Hollywood Blvd? Good to hear from ya!
@@mano1971music Sadly no shop anymore. Landlord made it offensively unaffordable and we weren’t about to start over after all the work we put into that place. Ryan stayed in the business however working out of his home. I continued buying collections but chose to become a wine sommelier full time. We decided to start a UA-cam channel 3 months ago. I have not been to the new Amoeba. I bought a large collection that had quite a few records in it that were originally purchased at the old Amoeba location. They had Amoeba price tags on them.
I wanted to keep my Beatles Reel Music promo copy sealed it considering it came out in '82,I don't know if there would be any sleeve rash on the disc.The promos were gold vinyl.Obviously,they're scarce,so I had to make sure the disc was still mint.
@@ronmartin4212 hi Ron. It makes total sense to open a rare valuable or scarce record to make sure that the disc is in condition. Otherwise 1 does run the risk of saving something for years and years and years only to learn that it’s value is zero. Thanks for watching, and sharing your experience with us. Take care.
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I totally disagree.Opening a 13 th Floor Elevators on a IA original is going to seriously devalue it.Same with a Velvet Underground,Nico or any other high ender.Guaranteed.No question about.It could drop a few hundred dollars,or more,depending on the title and artist.Seriously?!?!?Floyd's first two Tower albums?!?!?!Really?!!!!!?That's just wrong.
@@ronmartin4212 I don’t disagree with you that the value decreases if a rare valuable sealed record is opened. I get it. I guess it boils down to the owners choice. Right? Call them names, judge them all you want but at the end of the I’ll never judge you for the decisions you make with “your” records. I think that’s the coolest thing we can do. Thanks for the enlightening discussion. ✌🏽
That cloth definitely did the trick vision wise.thanks for the heads up.mine looks okay, but it's no longer in that sleeve
Glad yours is ok. 👍🏽
Thank you, interesting post. Apologies, I don't understand why you are re sleeving with paper outer with plastic inner sleeves? Isn't this just as bad as a full plastic sleeve? Hopefully you'll correct me. Thanks, Steve from the UK
I trust my cousin’s recommendation as he owns a record supply company and deal with the most discerning audiophiles on a daily basis. He said the HDPE high density polyethylene lined paper sleeves are safe as are the acid free paper ones. That’s the extent of my knowledge on that. I can appreciate your concern and question. I hope my answer is sufficient. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission I do like the HDPE sleeves, they seem to cut down on the effects of static. Thank you for taking the time to reply
Earlier this year I noticed a few of my records had wavy ghost lines. I went through all of my LPs (about 1,300) and found hundreds of them had it - nearly half. I was using thin round-bottom sleeves and two were in generic “MoFi” style inner rice paper sleeves. None of the records were sealed. I wiped off about 99% (a few didn’t look completely back to normal) of the waves using a soft cotton towel with a couple drips of distilled water to make it tacky. I re-sleeved everything in heavy duty 3mil high density polyethylene that look like Tone Poet ones. They don’t contain PVC and aren’t pink. I’ll keep an eye on them. If I have to go with paper someday I will. I’m always careful removing and returning records so paper isn’t that bad.
Hi. WOW! What a story! Thanks for letting us know it’s not just sealed records we need to worry about. I’m glad you caught it when you did. I you did lose any records. As far as I know the HDPE sleeve you re-sleeved with are safe. And you’re correct about acid free paper inners being ok to use as long as one is extra careful removing and replacing records. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
I'll keep the original cover in plastic when possible. Removing the record, adding inner sleeve, then into the paper. Finally, I put the record behind the cover inside an outer sleeve.
Nice and loose but protected.
Hi Mike. That’s a fantastic routine you have there. You’ll have happy records forever 👍🏽👍🏽✌🏽
I would still replace those paper sleeves that are lined. I’ve had records that the glue strip that holds the liner in ghosted a line in my record. Aja Cisco. Luckily I caught it before it became audible. It’s definitely visible though. Also all Impex current and recent records have the thick PVC sleeves.
@@quikspecv4d Good to know about the Impex! Thanks for the intel. I will definitely change out the Can’t Buy A Trill inner. Appreciate you watching and sharing your knowledge and experience with us.✌🏽
Steve
Every record I buy gets a multiple deep wet clean...no matter if used or brand new.
After that I play the record and put it in a brand new audiophile inner sleeve.
That’s a great routine! I greatly respect 🫡 those who have the discipline to do as you do. Thank you for sharing and watching our video.✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission
Cleaning records is like meditation....at least for me 😂
It calms me down after a stressfull day at the job.
Records that have thicker spines can create edge warps as the records curve when approaching the spine. These spines create lots of stress on the records especially when tightly sealed. If they are gatefold albums, I place the records in the middle (like a book) and not in the jacket pockets.
That’s a great idea for the gatefold. I did not know that about edge warps and I’ve had a few of those in my day. Thanks for watching and sharing your knowledge with us. ✌🏽
Steve
You will very much enjoy the original pressing of the Francis A, and Edward K. album. I bought 2 sealed originals about 10 years ago . I opened on of them and did a needle drop to my Tascam DA-3000 DSD recorder. Fantastic recording. Enjoy!
Thank you, Jason! I’m very looking forward to opening my Francis A, and Edward K. album. Nice that you have to beautiful copies. Nice Tascam recorder by the way! 👍🏽👍🏽
I have always paper sleeved all of my records, purely because I hate the plastic sleeves. Now I am even more glad I did. I never keep things sealed though, I buy them to play/use them.
Glad we could help. Sounds like you were ahead of the curve already. Great job. 👏🏽
After you open the shrink wrap are you removing it completely or leaving it on?
I like to remove the shrink and keep it if it has hype stickers on it.
Very interesting.
Thanks for checking it out. ✌🏽
Yes, I have some records with opaque pink inner sleeves that have a kind of talcy dusty feel to them. The Jim Hendrix re-issue series and a Brothers in Arms. I had to wet clean the records.
Hi Gary. Glad you were able to clean off the haze. I noticed that same Taki powdery dusty feel on the pink inner sleeves as well. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience with us.✌🏽
Steve
How do you even load songs onto an iPod these days? I say this because my four year old laptop didn’t even recognise my iPod when I tried to plug it in, as I have been told it is obsolete technology!
Sounds like a better question for Google.
I have no idea. Haven’t used an iPod in 20 years.
Happy your record is ok!
🙏🏽 Thank you so much Tokyo Record Style! Thank you for watching and expressing your thoughts! ✌🏽
Steve
I typically only buy one copy (i do have pressing varriants) of a record and I open the records when I have enough to make cleaning efficient typically every 3 to 4 months.
@@danteedee8204 That’s a very good routine. I don’t usually buy multiple copies unless they are in a collection I purchase. Thanks for sharing, Dan. ✌🏽
Steve
Double LP with 2 of the same disk happened to me with an Opeth album that I still haven't gotten replaced
What a bummer. Hope they resolve it with you. I’ve not had that happen to me yet but I’m sure the day will come lol. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. ✌🏽
Steve
PVC are mostly outer sleeves ,I had them on a collection of LPs in the early 1980s in the UK
Good to know. Thanks for sharing. ✌🏽
I recently came across a sealed 1st pressing of Nothing Shocking for $175.00. Is it really worth leaving sealed, or?
You should do whatever you desire with it. I’m not a collector of sealed records so I would open it and play it. That’s me though. Enjoy.
@TheVinylRecordMission I was on a trip when I found it. I'll eventually open it when the mood hits. Vinyl is indeed meant to be played. Thanks for the reply. 😉
My pleasure, Jay! And congratulations again on that great Jane’s find! 💪🏽 🔥 ✌🏽
Records that are sealed over a period of time. Will cause ring wear on the cover of the vinyl. Also it will cause the spine to frail. The string gets tighter over a period of time. And will cause the cover to band and create creases. I know from experience I'm a Elvis record collector. You want to open your record cover put your record and behind the cover in a sleeve with a new outer sleeve on the cover.
@@thepianofixer Great point about the ring wear and spine. Thank you for sharing that. ✌🏽
I had some trouble with sealed records, notably Black Sabbath box sets, but I had opened them as soon as I got them, so I always open everything now. I have had double LPs with record two being from a completely different artist! Quality control is lacking these days.
Hi there, Brian. Yeah quality control has gotten so bad. I’m even afraid to order a meatloaf Record.
Check out The Rolling Stones LPs, I understand that Jumping Jack Flash is a Gas Gas Gas (Hopefully it won’t have caused a ghost).
😂😂👍🏽👍🏽😉
Judas Priest - Nostradamus box sets are notorious for this issue. Mine included. Also take a look at picture discs. Many pictures discs are sleeved in PVC. Another indicator is the outer sleeves start becoming warped as well. So if youre looking at a particular record and it has warp outer sleeves, it may have a PVC inner sleeve inside OR the vinyl stored next to it does.
Hello there. You’re the second or third person to tell me about the Judas Priest. Nostradamus box set with the inner sleeve issues. Some have stated that their records were ruined beyond repair. thanks for watching and letting others know about the issues they should be aware of. Take care.
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission Yep...beyond repair =[
Never even realised Nostradamus was released on vinyl and I'm the biggest Priest fan there is.
@@ChrisStoneinator as a boxset
You are right to open those . I have probably 20 or so I should open . I also have a couple I will never open . But those paper sleeves any paper sleeves will scuff the record over time I don't use them .
So sayeth the PETE!
@@PeterGarner-ku7jp thank you Pete for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. I will take everything you said into consideration. Thank you for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
Steve
I had 2 records sealed a Metallica Kill ‘Em All which I did not open for over a year. I opened it and noticed the labels were both the same. They were both side one and I’m thinking wtf lol. Too late to return it or exchange it. The other was The Beatles Red album vinyl from 2014. I opened it and I’m looking through it and I’m looking at the lyrics sleeves. They are two identical sleeves with the same songs. Again im like wtf!’ The Beatles vinyl ain’t cheap. I’m thinking.Wheres the Quality Assurance. People pay their hard earned money to get product that has issues. It’s unacceptable. People open your Vinyl. Some might be warped to as well.
@@BeatleRick84 What a bummer. Yes I think it’s best to open records when you buy them. Great point. Thanks for commenting. ✌🏽
That's a beginning of a transformation from a baseball card collector to a music lower ) Good luck sir.
@@sc0or Your comment is vague. Not sure what you’re implying. I’ve never collected baseball cards so I can’t relate to your comment.
Interesting, a bit worried though...I collect 60ts and 70ts soul... have a few things that are sealed although pretty sure they have paper inside and have a copy of the ASCOTS rare album from Texas... seen the ones for sale and most have a warp as mine...think also in the 70ts a lot of the vinyl were quite thin and floppy compared to 60ts... I also replace my inner sleeves with poly lined paper ones... hope it's not the wrong thing to do 🙄
Btw great CARL CARLTON lp... can't stop a man in love...etc
You’re right. Most if not all 60s & 70s soul records have paper inners and thinner to floppy vinyl. Those are definitely at a higher risk of warping from remaining sealed especially if exposed to extreme temperatures and/or stored incorrectly. My cousin owns a record supply company and says as long as they are HDPE poly lined inners you will be fine. I’m looking forward to opening that Carl Carlton. It was a gift from my good friend Mark in the vinyl community. Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences with us. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission your welcome Steve, have actually opened that Ascots LP since I watched your channel... there is a slight warp.. not bad though....ohh vinyl obsession it's never ending 🙂
@@bluesoul7862 Cool that your Ascots is safe. These days there’s ways to fix warped records. Never fixed myself so I wonder if it’s a flawless process or if there is a potential to compromise the integrity of the vinyl by doing the repair. I guess I’ll have to try it out myself one day. A healthy obsession 😁
Mmmm, I have a quite a few records that have the ghosting from the outer pvc sleeves. Sure it looks awful but they all play fine. I guess if the ghosting is really bad then it may affect the sound. I have a lot of the pvc inners as well and I've had a few that leave a ripple mark which can be wiped off with a liquid solution.
Sometimes it affects the sound quality and other times not. Glad you’ve had good luck with yours. Thanks for watching and commenting. Take care.
Steve
Artista Records back in the mid to late ‘80s used some funky pvc like inner sleeves with their logo color printed into the plastic, which then would transfer right onto the record surface after being in storage for awhile. Beware of those! No amount of ultrasonic cleaning can bring those back from the dead.
Thank you for the heads up, Frank. I will keep my eyes open as I do come across many Arista records digging through all the boxes we have in storage. Thank you for watching and sharing your knowledge with us. We greatly appreciate your support.
Steve
little off topic but I’m worried about products like Gruv Glide that use chemicals to clean (anti-static) the record - worried if those chemicals do long term damage…
Great question. Above my pay grade though.
I am confused now. I have third party PVC inner sleeves from spincare that claim to be of archival quality, but your video makes it sound like PVC is inherently bad for long term storage, or could cause this ghosting you spoke about. What is the solution? Pure paper only?
The Spincare inner sleeves I’m aware of are made from HDPE high density polyethylene, which has no PVC in it and is not harmful to your records. There should be no ghosting or offgassing from such sleeve material. Keep your vinyl away from any PVC products. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching and commenting. ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission thank you for clarifying. I'm going through all my records now, remove the shrinkwrap and re-sleeve them with spincare.
I just don't understand why you'd by a record and not play it. When vinyl was king in the old days, when you bought it there was a chance it wouldn't play perfect. I guess I took maybe one in 20 records back to the store because it jumped as it was scratched. How do you know if you never open it ?
I agree. I would never buy records just to keep them sealed. However I do respect the choice of those who collect sealed records no matter their reasons. I have so many sealed records because we buy big collections in bulk. I always end up with stacks and stacks of sealed records and not the time to sit down and open every single one of the. It’s part of the business. I don’t “Collect” sealed records by I also don’t need to understand why others do. ✌🏽
Good idea. Like guitars, records are meant to be played.
Great analogy. 👍🏽👍🏽✌🏽✌🏽
I’ve been told poly lined inner sleeves are fine so i’m sticking to them! Especially with new records that have that shit shiny cd booklet style paper, of which has been used on the printed inner sleeves, and it’s nearly impossible to get the records out of them, with all that static wealding the record to them! I know hard (beach ball material like) PVC outer sleeves (which a lot of people use to protect their vinyl) causes misting on records and have removed accordingly, but poly lined inner sleeves shouldn’t cause this, as every dealer at record fairs uses these on their LP’s and they wouldn’t risk it if this was a problem!!!!
I’ve since switched to the Japanese resealable outter sleeves and I switched from acid free paper inner to HDPE lined inners. It’s definitely more expensive but so are the records we’re want to protect. Thanks for sharing your tips and recommendations with us. ✌🏽
Steve
Plain paper still scratches.it’s impossible to pull out a record without making contact with the sleeve at some point. And paper will leave hairlines on your records. I use Nagaoka sleeves personally.
Hi Charles. Thanks for the great recommendation. I’ll ask my cousin about those Nagaoka sleeves. He owns Far West Record Supply in Southern California. Thanks for watching and sharing your knowledge and expertise. Much appreciated! ✌🏽
Steve
@@charlesgund4812 It amazes me how often I see people removing a record from its inner sleeve in - what I consider to be - an improper manner. Unless you have excessive static cling it's perfectly possible to extract a disc with virtually no contact with its inner.
@@grayhalf1854 virtually no contact, but seriously not with no contact. Sorry, thats not possible. And if you do it a few times with a paper inner, you will see scuffs at some point!
As I'm watching this, it occurs to me that sleeves were originally paper. Maybe for good reason. And perhaps manufacturers of some of those plastic sleeves may have needed to place a fine layer of a non-stick powder to protect packed sleeves from sticking due to heat.
👍🏽👍🏽 That could be correct on some cases. Thanks for sharing with us.
Nice video. Sealed is at one’s own risk on true condition!
@@SafeAndSoundTXAudioExcursion Indeed it is. Well said, David. I guess that makes me a gamblin’ man 😂 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
So .. for a collectors stand point, unopened pieces are still worth a lot more than opened ones, even if the item in there had more degradation then when it was opened.
So to be fair, if you want to prevent disaster you just had to leave them unopened, the next buyer still does not know the condition the record is in when it stays sealed.
It's a choice, open them up to prevent the detoriation of the record and lose some value .. or leave them in the wrap.
If you are to preserve the record, just open them up so future generations can enjoy.
I’m doing just that. I’m opening all the records I’m keeping and selling the sealed records I don’t want.
Also. Picture discs. I had a very limited pic disc from 85 the plastic it came in had a chemical reaction to the wax n over time it browned the paper photo inside the wax, all the collectors had the same issue. I think there was one person who had one that didn’t brown. I’ve never seen that with any other pic disc. But the one I had was so far the only one that came in this very thick plastic sleeve. Usually you get a regular plastic sleeve. Just another example of pressing that companies may not be aware.
Hi Charles. Others have been mentioning the same issue with picture sleeve PVC sleeves. Over the years I have always wondered why some pictures discs have so much surface noise. In some discs it can be difficult to see the ghosting or hazing but it can be heard if it’s severe. Thanks for watching and sharing your story with us. ✌🏽
Steve
We sold 2 sealed records from our vintage record store and the customer opened them. One was cracked and the other warped. We returned their $. I don’t see the benefits of leaving the album sealed.
@@rexmundi8154 That’s great customer service! ✌🏽
Thanks for the info.
@@bond7459 You’re welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Steve
I've long held the belief that if you're storing your collection long-term there's nothing wrong with decent quality paper inner sleeves. If the discs go in clean and are stored vertically then I really don't see the issue. And at least you're spared the potential for some kind of plastic-on-plastic reaction over time...
@@grayhalf1854 well said. That’s great advice and I believe it to be very true. We appreciate you watching and taking the time to share your thoughts.
Steve
You're not safe with paper sleeves either... Depending on the type of paper used and what chemical processes were used, some paper sleeves can even "off gas" to a certain extent, leaving permanent surface noise, despite the LP looking fine. I read about this over on the Steve Hoffman forums in the ultimate Led Zeppelin thread.
@@R3TR0R4V3 There is no god 😭
@@grayhalf1854 heh, you can say that again! 😛
There's always been a debate about hazing on 60s Reprise albums from circa 1966-1967. What makes them somewhat likely to have this issue? Some say, it's how the stampers were prepared for the pressing process. Some say, "Bag Rash" from inner sleeves. Or even, it's the quality of the vinyl used. Why some Reprise albums are hazy and others are not is a mystery. I pulled a hazy Reprise album out of it's OG company "paper" inner sleeve, which leads me to question, is the haze really from a PCV type sleeve? I have even seen haze happen to only one side of a Reprise pressing before. So, again, is it really from the type of inner sleeve used? It might be from how the stampers were prepared after all. The Reprise albums that are hazed out are always from the 1966-1967 time period.
I’ve experienced that many times from those baggies I mentioned. I also find hazing or ghosting on the Emarcy pressings. Great point about the Reprise label. 👍🏽👍🏽
I bought the red Beatles Mono lp box decades ago when it was new 'n still available. I was especially interested in hearin' Sgt. Pepper's in mono. To my dismay side 2 was stereo! I wrote to Parlophone explainin' my situation. I got a reply sayin' the box sets were sold out but the executive sent me a replacement disc from his own box 'n said I needn't return my copy. I'm guessin' this mono/stereo lp is highly collectable now.
@@johncollier9280 Wow John! That’s amazing! What a great turnout for you. Win win situation. I would call the mono/stereo lp an erroneous pressings and consider it more collectible that the entire box set or in addition too if you ever sold the two together. Cool story, John! We greatly appreciate you watching and commenting. Thanks for sharing. ✌🏽
Steve
Actually it was a pretty common flaw in the red UK box. A box with a verified mono Sgt Pepper's is more valuable if anything!
For me, I open them to make sure they’re in the return window if my pressing has any defects.
I bought a copy of that Floyd album, but the 2016 Grundman. Opened it up after hearing that it was super well done, only to hear pops and clicks after an ultrasonic. I returned it and got a pristine dead quiet copy. Same exact runout grooves and pressing plant.
Also I’m sure it was fine, but that towel you used made me cringe a bit. If I had my 2003 remaster of Dark Side, and you pulled that out to rub it, I’d never talk to you again. Your example is a much less expensive album, but still.
Sorry about the cloth 😬. I knew I should have used a microfiber cloth but I figured it wasn’t an expensive record and it was always faulty. I have a copy of the 2003 Sax/Gray DSOTM. It’s amazing and I would’ve never put that cotton cloth (as soft and clean as it were) on that baby. 😁 What an inconvenience having to send back your Wish You Were Here. Cool they sent you a new one. Glad it sounds great. I’ll definitely be opening all sealed records I have intentions of keeping. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts with us. ✌🏽
Steve
@@TheVinylRecordMission fair fair. My intention wasn’t to be an ass, so sorry if I came off that way. You know what’s up
@@mikechivy I never thought ill of your comments, Mike. I knew you meant well. We were cool 😎 from the get go. Much respect for you, Mike. ✌🏽
Steve
I noticed this happened to a few of my records i got in the 70 and 80. as well. It just gave the same contamination to the records.
@@ingoperkele915 Hi. Sorry to hear about your records. I hope it’s the only few in your collection. Thanks for watching.
Picture discs are notoriously housed in the pvc sleeves that gas(?) They are thick
Im honestly perplexed how this is even an issue. Youd think the moment anyone was aware of the potential hazards with vinyl and this sleeve material- they'd quit using it!
Though most records are definately just housed in the cheap paper sleeves. They scratch and leave bits of paper but no chemical decomposition...
Hi Uncledoom. You’re right I’ve come across many ghosted pictures sleeves and they are all in those THICK PVC sleeves. It’s very disappointing to me that the industry is not rectifying this issue. There is no way that they are unaware of this issue. Thanks for commenting and watching. ✌🏽
Honestly companies shipping picture discs in those clear vinyl sleeves without a jacket or inner-sleeve or any inserts just annoys me in general. I still want the rest of the package dangit
I forgot to mention I have that exact same pink Floyd press and I'm going to open it immediately thanks for that video I didn't know about the ghosting problem.
So sayeth the PETE!
My pleasure, Pete. Hope everything turns out OK with your Pink Floyd. Wish you were here. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
I have a sealed copy of Wish You Were Here
I opened it, and there was no plastic inner.. The record is in the cardboard sleeve. I figure I have a later release of this 2011 remaster. The vinyl is fine, and no worries, I didn't mind opening it as I will spin it later this week..
@@jtsrecordroom3963 I believe the later issue you have is remastered by Bernie Grundman which I’ve been told has better sound quality than my 2011 reissue. Glad you didn’t mind opening it. Better safe than sorry.
Is there a BG in the dead wax or TML?
I will check, at work.. It's Friday for me ! Vinyl is nice and clean, so I'm curious about the deadwax
Yes.. It's Bernie Grundman on my copy.
It does sound amazing. You're right, 2016 BG and James Guthrie mastering.. Same packaging as yours minus that plastic inner sleeve. I have another copy that must be the 2011 remaster, like yours. It sounds great, too.. But my BG / Guthrie 2016 edges it out a bit !
Very interesting. Just goes ti dhow, play your records :)
That's always the plan. But when we buy 1000s of records at a time it can be difficult to do.
I haven't worked out a way of playing records without opening the shrink wrap, so all of mine are opened. However I understand people collecting sealed records. But if its sealed whats the problem with ghosting? Nobody will ever know!
That’s a great point, Richard. Then there’s me. I don’t intentionally collect sealed records. Having all these sealed records is a byproduct of buying a few large collections last year. I just hadn’t made time to open the records I was going to keep. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Steve
I had a few years ago when Two albums from Music Matters with pink inner sleeves. Found out it was a big issue causing damage to the vinyl. MM was mo help
@@danmartinez5502 WOW! Those are some pricey records to have such issues. I hope your records were not ruined. A great series but man the least they could’ve done was spend more money to protect the record over the long haul. Thanks for letting us know about that.
@@TheVinylRecordMission Hank Mobley Stanley Turrentine
The ghosting from RTI pink inner sleeves can generally be cleaned. The problems are with glue from certain inner sleeves and chemical reaction from PVC OUTER sleeves, which cannon be repaired or cleaned.
Found 4 12" singles with this type of damage in a month alone. All 1990s
Hi Peter. Sorry to hear that. Thanks for letting us know. I never thought to check my 12” singles. ✌🏽
Is this due to PVC outgassing? I thought PVC was banned 🤔
I don’t know if PVC is banned today. I don’t believe it was banned back in the day.
The problem goes way way back to the 60's and beyond where plastic inners were used (this inclueds poly lined paper sleeves). They can off gas and leave a residue on the record which if left leaves a permanent mark. The plastic inners can also ooze plastisizer which again can leave permanent sounding marks on records. So its not a new problem by any means. I have resleeved all my lps and cleaned any affected. It is important to realise that the issue is very hit and miss. Maybe the storage conditions is a contributing factor? There is also the same issue with dvds and blu rays in those soft plastic cases where the plastisizer off gasses and coats the disks...but thats another story.....
@@SwingBandHeaven Thank you SBH. Your information is on point. Throughout my years of record collecting I have in fact encountered this off gassing phenomenon many times on records from the 50s and up. I’m with you that climate conditions and storage plays a huge roll. Thanks for watching and contributing great information for our viewers. ✌🏽
Steve
Leaving your records in the shrink wrap makes them more prone to warpage.
I’ve since started removing all the shrink wrap from my collection. Thank you for looking out for us. We greatly appreciate your insight and suggestions. ✌🏽 Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Steve
hi there are one's out there that have 2 copy of each one sealed there's alot do this with lego sets i know crazy hobbies are around
i find along time ago record were coming a pain so i sold them to go over to pro reel to reel not the home deck otari mtr 12 decks
love the sound of 1/2 inch tape
Hi Bob. That is really cool. Thanks for sharing.
I wonder how many of the "just unseal all records" people in the comments were the ones who advised to "never unseal a record unless you have to cause the value will drop" some years ago.
And how many would still strive for the thrill of unsealing a copy themselves instead of buying a used one?
It's wonderful to learn from videos like this - but they don't make the idea of a "mint copy" somehow ridiculous.
@@peka__ Hi Peka. At the end of the day the choice of to open or not open ones vinyl records is up to them. I don’t judge anyone for the choices they make regarding their records. To me a mint copy is a mint copy sealed or open. Technically there is no guarantee that a sealed copy is a mint copy because there could be damage to the record that will only be revealed upon opening. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to watch our video. ✌🏽
@@TheVinylRecordMission
Thank you!
I've just discovered your channel and look forward to check out your videos.
Vinyl has always been hit and miss they are dire I have wish you were here on sacd it's perfect.
Hi Trever. I’ve heard the SACD is an amazing sounding format. They are very expensive too correct? It seems they are worth every dollar. I bet Wish You Were Here sounds so awesome on that SACD. 👍🏽👍🏽
Most likely when you open older albums from 60's 70's you will find spotty paper scuffs on the vinyl.
@@TheHogsEarReport Yeah, I’ve definitely seen that quite a few times.
coin collectors learned long ago that PVC and other plastics decay over time and leave damaging marks. Coin collectors moved to mylar packaging decades ago
Those coin guys made a lot of sense (cents) when they moved to mylar. 😂 On a serious note I wish the vinyl industry cared enough to do the research necessary to achieve safe packaging for our precious records. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Steve
I stopped buying new old sealed stock. I didn’t do it often, but recently bought a Pulley LP from ‘99 (SoCal punk) and it was badly warped. Wasn’t the seller’s fault, but I don’t like taking a risk on older sealed LPs.
@@bhoussock I can totally understand your position. It can be very frustrating. I had to return 4 copies of the 2022 RSD soundtrack release of the 1996 film The Big Night. I was disgusted with their sheer lack of consideration. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Steve
You can remove it with Simple Green. My secret sauce for cleaning vinyl.
Wow simple green!! Who'd a thought...thanks for the valuable tip...appreciate it!!
Depends on the severity of the "ghosting". PVC sleeves produce a gas over time that bonds to the surface and permanently, irreversibly changes it from a smooth (= quiet) vinyl surface to a rough (= noisy) one. The only true fix is to re-polish the surface to make it smooth again, but of course that's almost impossible inside the grooves carrying the sound.
Anyone wanting to know more try Googling "PVC record sleeve offgassing" or "PVC sleeve plasticizer". Ruined hundreds of my 7" singles from the 1970s and 80s that I had very carefully stored in PVC "protective" sleeves ha ha ha 😞