Is the golden age of record collecting coming to an end? And why I’m selling a load of mine!
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2024
- Is the golden age of record collecting
coming to an end? And why I’m selling
a load of mine!
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One thing not being mentioned here is that modern popular music has been spinning around and around since at least the mid 1990’s. There’s a lot of “been there, done that” with many people , there are endless reissues of all the Rock heroes that we really don’t need, and last but not least, the prices asked are no longer doable, especially when you consider the tired colored vinyl represses. Discogs has also left no mystery in the joy of discovery, which is what fed the thrill of the hunt. It’s all added up to many collectors getting just plain tired. Tired of all of it.
Also very recognizable and great point.
I think Discogs is great. What’s wrong with it? I got some really cheap stuff on there.
@@LaurenceReeves Discogs is great for general information on identifying recordings, no doubt. But too many altogether use the marketplace to price every last item they’ve got, and they don’t want to focus on what final price the item sells for. They want to price the PERCEIVED VALUE, or the inaccurate “Price Guide” figure. And it’s not realistic.
Mmmmmh... Do you think vinyls are just a "sound container"? To me, a vinyl is something else... It's magic: how in hell a vinyl can sound? It wonders me today... Vinyls bring us the sound of an era in the way it was listened in that era... Think it twice: you will never listen at Paganini playing the violin or Mozart or Beethoven, but you can listen to The Beatles and not a cover thanks to vinyls... Even a CD is a "sound container", it's not the same... You are forgetting we are lucky we can retain sound: you can't retain smells but a vinyl (and their sleeves)takes you to that era smells... Mmmmh...
@@jordibonet7872 it’s the sound and history for me, not the fact it plays music. I know how the sound is done so it’s not a thing for me, it’s just vibrations on the needle at a microscopic level, but it is really clever.
Collecting since the 1970s. I worked at a record store in Chicago for 10-15 years. I've always culled the herd. Sometimes I regret it. I only supplemented my LP collection 'holes' with CDs. Also, I invested in a Tascam unit to burn LP and cassette to CD. For the last 25 years, very, very rarely do I spend big bucks for any recorded music. I see much of the remix thing as flogging a dead horse. I've concentrated on finding what I've missed out on, in any genre, over the last 100 years. I thrift it. It is amazing what one can find today and also what one has missed hearing along the way, even after fishing in deep tracks. The enjoyment of the search and random find is a very personal experience. The collecting 'world' may change, but the comfort of your collection is lasting. Thanks.
SAME. Collecting now is a commodity. The music isn't as important with collectors now.
Record collecting will never end, one rule to collecting is never sell, great video can't wait to see more of your videos greetings from Australia 🙂
Spot on, since the price of new vinyl has gone through the roof, the 2nd hand market has heated up considerably. So I don't buy many now, but CDs are still great value & found some really good ones in charity shops next to nothing & they are a much more versatile product.
But you are right, it's better to curate your collection because your more likely to play more records & enjoy it. 👍
When Herb Albert’s whipped cream and other delights sells for $12 there’s a problem.
Hahaha
I'm now realizing the pile of vinyl in my dad's closet might be a gold mine... Better cash out now while the suckers are looking. 😂
Tell me about it. I have an original copy of Dark Side of the Moon in amazing condition. Discogs thinks it's only worth 50 - 60 bucks.
@@lightfusegetaway now is the prefect time to sell, but far from the perfect time to buy
A cherry copy for $12 wouldn't be out of the question in 2024. In 2014? Probably two bucks. Good album.
I get what you mean by having too much. The only good side to that is when you go back and listen to something that you have not heard in years or decades, you tend to get a different perspective on the music. I'm enjoying going back through the collection and doing a relisten. very refreshing in most cases.
@scottsanford1338 I am glad you are enjoying playing some of your old records, but I am finding that a lot of what I have no longer resonates with me now. My tastes have changed. I used to like bands from the 70's like Jethro Tull, Traffic, The Strawbs, etc, but now they just don't sound the same and as I will never play them again they will be sold.
@stephensmall4172 I can understand that. There are some things in my collection that I wonder why? I, too, will let them go to free up space for new music.
I’m a massive record collector. I’ve been collecting for around 10 years with a collection of 2,000+ strong. I collect to listen. I have listened to almost everything in my collection at least once.
My dilemma. Been collecting for nearly 60 years. Every record I've ever sold I eventually wound up regretting. 'Bat Out Of Hell' being the only exception. I am now 71 years old and I'm told I can't take them with me. Over 3000. It will be a total bummer but as you get up in years you gotta part with your stuff.
GREAT REVIEW MATHEW ‼️😁
Doing the same thing woke up one morning cleaning records that I would never listen to plus adding them to discogs then putting them away too old (77)to keep this up!
Excellent discussion.
Just discovered your channel and as a long time collector much of what you've discussed really hits home. I think the internet has taken the expertise and experience out of the game and collecting has become very different. It's just not as fun anymore and I also have downsizing and discovering my true favourite albums. Enjoyed that, thanks.
Interesting perspective thanks. I have similar feelings about my collection, but have trouble culling things to sell. Hopefully just a few things this RSD. Great score on The Beach Boys tape. I saw your A77 in the corner:)
I agree on your point regarding selling a record that you bought as your first copy, sell it, then buy another copy. It's not the same, no matter what copy it is. Take your example of Atom Heart Mother. I've got the copy I cycled into Preston to buy as a teen, then I've an original, no box EMI copy, a quad copy and the 2018 remaster. If I had to sell, all but the one I first bought would go, even though, it's monetary value is low, it's emotional value is worth more! Like you, I buy to play. There are lots I'd still like to buy, but my listening time isn't what it used to be. As a young man, many hours were spent listening to my music. Over time, the pressures of work and family, I have little time to sit, put a record, or CD on, and listen to it. There have been some recent releases that in my younger days I'd have snapped up, but now I think, I don't really need that, so I don't buy it. Like many, I've grown tired of the re issues, remasters and remixes. As a Floyd fan, do we need so many copies of DSOTM? No, just the one really. I'm now looking for new music that I like and original bootlegs, not the current trend of new issues of bootlegs that have been repressed and repackaged, although some are quite good you risk buying a concert you already have! Record Store Day is another issue. You have scalpers who are currently advertising 2024 releases on ebay for 3-4 times the price of the issue price as soon as the list is published. This is wrong, and supposedly they monitor and take down these listings, but they don't. This doesn't help either the physical shops they are trying to help, nor the buyer who genuinely can't get to a record store. It's a sad state of affairs, ruled by the greed of the music industry and the collectors as "investors" who see vinyl as another pension pot, to go with the wine they'll never drink and the cars they'll never drive.
Great video and very recognizable @Matthew North Music !
Also sold my collection a few times. Once as I had to and three times huge parts of it, when I wanted as I had bought way, way too much. I now have a great collection of old, high quality vinyl.
New vinyl, especially RSD releases, are generally of average quality. Pressing and mastering quality vinyl is a dying art with only a few exceptions.(Analogue Productions, Pallas)
Also like you I recently sold off another big chunck of my collection. And most of my new vinyl (had to keep a few Young’s, the new, Dylan Budokan and Petty’s Wildflowers) went out.
The attachment like you say is different and between 2013 and 2020 I bought way too many albums. And somehow for me those were easy to sell as I had no history with them and honestly I don’t miss them.
I now only invest in high end equipment (cartridges, wiring, new speakers etc.) and high quality old vinyl. Great sounding pressings, like an original 1st US pressing of Let it Bleed, 1st Zeppelin III and Motley Crue’s Too Fast Leathur release give me way, way more pleasure listening them. Old vinyl is way way better mastered and have way way more detail, nuance and definition than the generally LOUD and full bodied new masters that are not only made for vinyl anymore.
I now go for the less is more and quality over quantity approach.
Hi Matthew, new to the channel and couldn't agree more on the 'ornament' phenomenon- exacerbated by artists putting out 12 different 'limited' colour variants of their newest albums!
The sellers at my local record fair in Hampshire are seemingly suffering with stock issues more nowadays, alot more bootlegs and overpriced vinyl compared to even 5 years ago.
Great discussion.
I get rid of records all the time. I'm more into upgrading records that I love instead of buying as many records as I can. I have roughly 600 in my collection.
Great reply! That is exacly what I did: the quality over quantity and less is more approach.
Excellent video and I agree. Cut my record collection down to 200. I just subscribed to your channel.
More power to them with Record Store Days etc., but they'll never be able to duplicate what it was like back when vinyl was the main format. I had two primary record stores I went to. When I heard a new band/song in the car, I drove to the nearest of the two and checked the miscellaneous A thru Z bin (because the didn't have a bin card yet) for the band. If it wasn't there, I went to the other store. Eventually I got it. You had to make an effort, but it was worth it. A lot different than sitting in a chair and clicking a mouse button and it shows up at your door, or now just streaming it. I sold off 2300+ vinyl some years ago and I don't regret it at all. I kept about 50 that weren't available on CD at the time. With Black Sabbath, UFO, Humble Pie, etc. reissues I've picked some of them up, but it's nowhere near the same. I wouldn't trade that time in my life for anything, I loved chasing down and finding that new album. To me, it's more of a fad now, but hey, buy what you like.
Enjoyed the video, agree with the points, will we see the day in years to come where we are all passing vinyl to the charity shops like cds ?
No because it cost too much to start with. £5 lps in the 80s to £30+ lps now !
I traded some records in at a shop today and it was great, for me I like to be able to just do it all at once and not have to ship out records. Also, our local store did record store a day and they did phenomenal they sold 97% of everything. They had lines around the store all day long.
I understand only wanting records you'll play, as even a small collection can go untouched at times. Bu, I'm grateful for my dad's big collection, each with its own history and you can find things in ti, and I enjoy how my small collection reflects my tastes and can grow from there.
I think a collection gets too big when you forget about some records entirely or when they become hard to access and therefore go unplayed. (This can happen in small spaces, though utilizing wall space as we did at home helps, but a few got covered by kids games, but openning up again).
I agree new records are expensive, but you can find cheaper second-hand ones depending on what you're looking for.
As far as I’m concerned the golden age ended when the revival started. I was buying them by the box load, in near mint condition back in 90’s and early aughts. Once the revival started you suddenly had to pay $30 for an OG pressing of Nothing to Fear by Oingo Boingo. I bought multiple copies of stuff for .25 a piece back in those days. Luckily I got everything I wanted and can just focus on new pressings as they come around. Either way, from my perspective the golden age has been gone since 2010 or so.
I enjoyed the video and agree with you. I have never been a collector, I simply buy want I want to listen to for the enjoyment. I realise some people buy to keep as an investment, but now I am not sure this is such a good thing. You have to remember the value is determined by what people will pay at the time you want to sell, so how can you be sure people will want what you have in the future. I can see the bubble bursting as so many people I talk to are saying how expensive vinyl is, and also think streaming will steadily increase. Regarding this new trend of "limited edition", how limited are they really? and it still doesn't mean people will want them in the future. I agree with quality over quantity, less is more, and enjoy the moment.
Totally agree with the "less is more" philosophy. I got rid of every CD I never planned to listen too again. What's the point? To keep every CD/Vinyl you buy forever? God knows my kids don't want them or know what they are, which is a clue to the music audience of the future. Honestly, if I buy a CD and I don't like it, it often lands in the trash like a bad hamburger I bought at Micky-D's. There's no point in it taking up space in my house. As for vinyl, yeah... my tastes changed when I got out of HS (1981), and I traded in a lot of my old heavy metal albums which I regretted, but I became a serious 70's progger and 60's Woodstock type stuff. My collection from there went to about 600 vinyls, until the age of CD came along. I never played the vinyl anymore, and finally sold half of them in 2016 when I was moving to a new house. Well crap, funny thing is, when I got my new man-cave, I wanted a new vintage stereo to go in it. THEN though it would be fun to have a turntable again just for shits and grins. And it was for a while. Until 2 years ago I saw an original Sgt Pepper album in an antique store while on vacation, and bought it. Now I got the vinyl bug, big time. And what a shitty $$$ time to catch it. But it's fun, and I've even picked up some KISS albums I used to have and it makes me smile. And I've upgraded my turntable too. Anyways, I toy with how much I should collect, and shouldn't collect. I only want stuff to play, I have zero interest in "collectables". I struggle with buying vinyl when it doesn't sound as good (rich musically) as the CD version. It seems like Russian Roulette at times. Nice FISH t-shirt BTW.
Yeah, since getting my system refurb. and fixed up in 2020 during C-V times, and on, I bought used and new LPs here at premium prices , but not 'collectors prices' , in a couple of shops i favor. That is, more LPs than CDs. Even though I have no more room for more of either. Have some hi res downloads too.
Had to buy new TT and refurb my vintage integrated amp and cassette deck. Expensive. Better interconnects were also well worth it. NYC background noise ruins the experience again, to a great degree...the quiet times during C-V and extra time home helped me rediscover my system and listening.
My collection now means more to me than before .
As an 18, nearly 19 year old I buy them to have the physical object and to play a full album and get songs I love. I like finding random finds in second hand shops or looking for a good deal on ebay.
But I grew up around (vinyl) records and cds and cacettes , so that probably influences how I percive them.
Edit: I stream say on spotify and listen to records and cds bcause each has its time and place and you can have both I think
Streaming- portable, for working out, longer tasks no need to flip over or change, what I don't have in a physical medium, playlists of more than one artist you can easily create, look up new stuff, can play someone your taste and have different songs and artists you like play
Records (applies to other physical medium)- collection of my taste, artwork, listen to a full album , the hunt for them in say second hand shops, a physical object, a peice of history, appreciation to an artist/label etc by buying their thing, something you can show others and talk to them about music or art or politics or just life, whatever is connected to that record
Sorry my comments got so long. 😅
i just started but my intention is having a physical music library ( i have no intention on showing off my albums it would be like buying book just to show off and not actually read them)and my lcs human head in nyc and always has people dropping off crates of records
I buy lot of used records. New ones are overpriced, sound is usually not right, and fuck colored records.
New vinyl is not good, might as well get it on CD
I don’t have Spotify, I don’t stream music.
I love my records to listen to the music that I like .
I love my 60’s, 70’s e 80’s. ❤
I buy records when I can afford 😊
Interesting thoughts, Matthew. Personally I don't buy as many records now. To me, most new records are overpriced and I think the QC leaves a lot to be desired. I don't buy that many used records either because again, I feel the prices are too high now and it's sucked the joy out of it. I'll definitely be taking a look at your other vids. P.S. you could do with white balancing your camera.
Back in the golden age of vinyl in the 60's LP's were 32/6. This was about the same cost as 3 45 singles. They were considered expensive (which is why The Beatles released their albums at Christmas for the present market.)That is just over £20 today so it is a good guide as to the value for money of new issues.
Hi, great video. Yeh, me too. I only collect best of's, greatest hits & anthologies now, due to lack of space, lack of time, lack of interest really. Example being, KC & The Sunshine Band. I had 6 or 8 Lp's of them and simply bought their 20 greatest hits LP. Another is Neil Diamond. A dozen or so Lp's, now all on one 22 golden hits LP. So, not everyone's ideal scenario, but works for me. Cheers.
I have just over 35,000 Lps. I've never sold off any of my vinyl (though I did lose a chunk to an old girlfriend, back in the 80s), When I moved from L.A. to Toronto, I sold off or gave away about 23,000 Cds but I couldn't part with a single record. I've seen a couple of collectors say that they sold off records and bought them back and found that the new iteration just doesn't have the same thrill attached to it. Almost the opposite of how they feel about their second or third wives. Everyone has their own version of collecting. I don't get picking up 35 different color variants of the same album but it makes someone happy - and if it don't make you happy, them find something that does. New wives can be hugely expensive but you do tend to pull them out and use them a heck of a lot more than the old one.
I’ve been a music collector for 50yrs+. I take pride in my library of 45’s, LP’s & CD’s. It takes up a fair amount of room space. Today’s streaming popularity avoids the clutter of a media library, but lacks much in what’s available for listening. Worst part is you’re left with nothing, except a monthly subscription fee, unless you record it somehow. My vinyl is both classic Prog rock & punk rock, which ended in ‘95. As an audiophile, I now collect only Japanese Mini LP CD’s. Their remixed fidelity trounces, the vinyl versions offered. But as a music lover, I’ll buy whichever format it’s available on, but CD is now my first choice🔊🎶😎.
Hey Matthew. I was curious to know what was your turn off’s in regards to the Pink Floyd early years box set.? Do you own that.?
I do mostly big mistakes like not using stereo mixes of the 1971 BBC concert not using the best available sources for other BBC material. There's some deliberate errors in the sleeve notes for example mentioning that one of their geeks was done as an instrumental when we all know it's because there was vocals but they weren't patch through to the mixing desk. There's still tracks in the archive that haven't come to light. Also the mix of Pompeii was appalling and some of the Blu-ray footage wasn't very good of Pompeii. I was also particularly annoyed the Pink Floyd have taken ownership of the film the committee and thus the Arthur Brown clip that he's on the official Arthur Brown UA-cam which I maintain was removed due to a copyright strike by Pink Floyd who have absolutely no ownership over the pictures ot the sound
Started collecting and listening my vinyls roughly 30 years ago, so I got some 90ies that gone valuable ....
8 years ago got 2 kids in a row (Irish twins) and burried my collection safely in my home....I dont listen to this media anymore and only recently started selling off parts of my collection to other collectors I contact though online marketplaces and such...trying to get a good price but no scalper prices and being honest upfront about the condition...you know....win/ win
I think this is a good time for me to get rid of my collection...Im not collecting myself anymore and got other goals now I have a family...
Plus I really think that some vinyls are kind of at their height of value or sometimes even over that....
Im a keen music listener and have a reasonably good quality British system that consists of Turntable, Pre Power amps, High end Standmount speakers. Over here in Australia the price of New Vinyl is ridiculous, like $70 for a pressing, used about $30. The industry is its own worst enemy as people just can't and won't pay the asking price, the industry is not encouraging new and younger listeners to the format, which is what their survival relies on !
Could not agree more, as youngsters you would buy a record and play it, buy them from second hand shops and bag some bargains, nowadays, all the fun of rooting through those are long gone, I blame that when the internet boom came, people would read up on any records they have and use that as a price guide.
Even some albums from people who are just looking to sell, you will see things like this is the third pressing Matrix number blah, blah, blah, all the fun has gone out of looking through albums on a car boot, or gumtree, ebay etc, you either come across the sound of music or Val Donican or Shirley Bassey, no matter where you look.
Was only yesterday I was looking in hmv and nearly choked when I saw the Beatles Red album on vinyl priced at £74.00, even some albums from the eighties were priced close to £30.
I never bought a record ever just to put to one side as investment, I wanted the pleasure of playing that record, how I wish I could go back to the good old Days of jumble sales and second hand shops, to pick up albums and singles, pre internet, you really have brought it home of how record buying has changed for the worse.
I remember a record shop owner told me a collection should be about quality not quantity.
You should buy a record to play it not file it and forget it is there.
Exactly! People now buy records to collect them instead of playing them, @SparkyStevens8899 ! Quality over quantity and less is more is also my way the last couple of years.
Exactly,I think most of us have fallen in that trap of collecting stuff we don't really need.
I’ve been buying records since the early 70’s. I buy them to listen to. One of the antique shops I go to that has a great vintage record booth, the prices have come way down. Records that were around $20 are now $10. Im not sure if this is because people aren’t buying due to not having money for things like records or are they just buying new reissues?? Ive sold my record collection about 3 different times always with regrets. Usually because I was moving a good distance. My current collection means the most to me. I wont move again and Im holding everything I have now with retirement near. Rock on bro!
IMO there is some of the fad but you also have audiophiles moving back to vinyl. In the USA, Accoustic Sounds is an example. You have those that are into the thrill of the hunt to collect. Others buy vinyl to show support for their favorite artist as streaming doesn't pay the artists well. If the collector boom busts which it will, we'll be getting inepensive records in the future, I just hope they are stored well.
I am buying used CDs as they are inexpensive, usually $3 to $8. The CDs are ripped in FLAC to a server. To buy Vinyl, I have to very much like it or get a very nice deal as it is expensive.
Spot on with record store inventory, a local shop had record store day records for sale at deep discount about a month ago, assume they were from last year.
The "Steeley Dan" audiophiles make me sick and I consider myself an audiophile but those "Steeley Dan" UHQR guys puzzle me
Anyone who collects records only to not listen to them, or buys them as some sort of investment... they deserve what they get with the prices. Those people will drop off eventually. On the other hand, I've been purchasing records seriously for well over 20 years (and CD's before that), and I buy them to actually listen to. Since I was paying $20 or more for a CD 25 years ago, I think if I am going to listen and appreciate the album, there's nothing wrong with the prices today (FOR THE MOST PART, some of it is off the rails, but I'm talking about the general price of just about any album that is a perfectly listenable VG+ or whatever). I don't expect to make money on my records, I'll sell them when I die, and be very happy listening to them until then. Still got all my CD's too.
I think people just forgot what it was like before everything streamed for free.
I'll sell them BEFORE i die, or my daughter will inherit them, as she collects vinyl's herself!
Don't disagree with any of this. Agree for sure about repurchases not feeling the same as the first time.
I see the vast bulk of what is in the collections of today (including my own) as the junk shop stock of 50 years from now as tastes change; even including the big names and cult items, as they progressively lose their significance at a similar rate to the departure of the people to whom they meant anything from this mortal plane, to be replaced as objects of desire by stuff that means something to people who are young right now.
We saw this with the comics boom and bust of the early and then late 80s. This will be the same, with only relatively few highly specialised items retaining any value.
Working at a shop there are TON of things I could say about prices, RSD, etc...but what I want to focus on in this comment is that I've always said that the biggest mistakes I feel collectors make is they become such creatures of habit that anytime a shift starts to occur in them they look at it as a problem. If you collect records for 20,30, or 40 years I think one of the best things you can do is be beyond open so simply understanding that it's Ok for you to shift as a collector and you don't always have to have such hard rules on yourself. Like one year I'm really into OGS to 4 years later I'm really into cds, to 2 years later mainly streaming and vinyl, to 8 years later I'm into Japanese and Mofil vinyl. I've always hated the feeling that so many collectors feel they have to shit on a previous "place" they were before they can more to next. To me what it does and makes you feel like 1. You've been doing something wrong and now there is some regret or 2. You may never go back to that previous place because it was "bad". Just be open to enjoying music and music stuff in different ways and know that ever shift doesn't have to be a giant emotional declaration to yourself and others. ....if that makes sense.
Same here….sold around 1500 albums over the last 5 years and invested the cash in streaming equipment…… I absolutely love owning less as I’ve become older
Think of the children! look at these lovely streams I used to listen to , from an invisible cloud in the air 😢 I would have loved if my Dad kept 1500 albums for me to listen to growing up, I'd be so sad if a lifetime collection was sold in pieces
@@njwtube my 25 year old son doesn’t have any interest In vinyl, he also thought it was a waste of time, space and money. Thinking about it I probably only listened to around 100 of them 1500 albums in the last 15 years, that’s around 1400 just sitting there doing nothing
@Matthew North Sorry about that last comment being a bit of a rant, guess I had a lot to get off my chest!!!!
I mainly buy CDs I just get records for certain things. I could never collect it or have that many.
I sold off a chunk of vinyl in 2004, at a fair, in hindsight that perhaps I should have kept, on the other hand I sold another chunk that I was glad to see the back of,and another 100 LP's a couple of years later that were mainly different pressings to LP's which I still have.The idea of collecting more versions of stuff I already own ceased aback around that time. RSD is a big con by the record company's IMHO.I always steer clear of the day, & have occasionally picked up the overstocks a year or so later.
CD Boxsets are nice to have,with the add on of concerts & remixes,but compilation ones are not a draw for me,My collecting days are not as they were from over 20 years ago,I do not have enough time to invest in listening to what I still have,let alone accumulating more,my storage space is sadly not infinite.
Many are not collectors, they are accumulators. Vast amounts of never played space waste. My collection is a hundred or so LP's I love. Thirty odd 45's that are sentimental. A cupboard full of cd's that get played in the car. I have the other 14,000 for sale on Discogs.
It feels like collecting has become elitist and the decent stuff can only be afforded by rich boomers unless you get lucky at a boot sale but even then they are always crawling with dealers. Still bargains to be had in cd and cassette format so I’ve switched to that in the main.
Very, very very rarely i buy records online. I need yo be there, dig it out of thrift store bins myself. So, it takes time to find interesting records, but happens.
stopped buying stuff and just listen to albums on youtube, too expensive
Yep same here, i do buy the odd cd but the price of vinyl is way over my budget.
It is funny how you couldn't give away vinyl a few years back.
I still buy CDs and records to listen to and not to use as an investment. I love listening to physical music. I do not bother with RSD day.
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I think it ended after around 2012 which is about 5 years after youtube which really changed the landscape in recording collection and gender transition.
Countless Limited Editions...oh, the irony
CDs is still fun. The whole world at your feet for not too much and some might be collectible in time.
I buy them to play them, and only my favorite albums, at a reasonable retail price (noways less than $30 is decent). 😁
I am buying $1 - 12 used lps in NM bc I like to clean and listen to them on my excellent stereo system I created via audio research. The other day I cleaned ultrasonically and played an original 1977 U.S. press of David Bowie Station to Station RCA I bought with my newspaper route $ in 1977 and have played on many poor and average systems thru the years. Next I played Glenn Campbell and Bobbie Gentry NM orig press I bought for a $1 used and cleaned. I just don't think there's any better way to listen to music but from your own kit that you bought and is of sufficient quality. These records are AAA meaning it was recorded analogue, mixed analog and mastered analog. That means a lot to a music fan. I am also buying cds used and new. The sound is the best I've heard thanks to my kit and the clean audio source sound. So I played a record made in1977 and 1969 and they sounded otherworldly. A record 53 years old that plays like it was made yesterday. It's a hard but rewarding aesthetic and passion to pursue and obtain but it is worth it and I think there will always be people into that. It's almost like a time machine to play a record made in 1969 whereas RSD is mostly bollocks from what I can tell and they are mostly digital pressings.
There’s a very fine line between record collecting & hoarding.
I buy only what I want to keep & listen to. Therefore don’t need to sell anything.
When I hear someone has 30 different issues of the same title, they’re usually a big part of the problem which they, themselves, always end up complaining about in the vinyl market.
When your buying that many issues of the same title - you’re invariably only thinking about the money & certainly not the music.
Either that, or you’ve become a hoarder in the disguise of a so-called specialist collector! 😂😂😂
You can easily be a hoarder just by buying records by particular artist you're a fan of that you don't already own. Specifically when that artist has either released a huge amount of albums or their record company has case in point Miles Davis.
I only buy a record ( vinyl it seems to be called there days 😆 ) as I really like the music and want to experience the full monty, including sleeve art & inner sleeve, just as I did when I were a schoolboy, about 40 years ago now. Otherwise I'd go for cd's and tapes ( metalhead ) bevause cheap and as I've got 1000's of things in the house and a and an ever growing wish list of 1000's more, well, for 20-25 euro's I can have 1 record, 2 cd's or 3-5 new tapes. Doesn't make it a very hard choice... Of course I prefer to buy the originals that were released on record before the cd was there on vinyl but with those prices, neh. You have to be realistic about that.
I’m a collector myself, I don’t buy any of the reissued albums at all for lots of reasons, my aim is for all my record collection to be first press & excellent condition, if I buy an album & then I see a better condition 1 I buy the better album & sell my old copy, original albums do sound better & it’s nice to know that they appreciate in value, if ever I go to a friend’s house & they show me there record collection if there collection is all first press then I know it will have taken them years to build that collection & travelling to different Record shops & fairs etc, where’s if it’s all new reissues they could just buy there entire collection from HMV or Amazon etc in a day, my collection only consists of Music that I play enjoy 🎶
I really only sell the things I bought knowing I'd sell them. (usually copies)
I only buy stuff that i consider 10/10 all killer no filler
Im not taking up space in my house with crap i don't listen to or like very much.
Some people seem to just buy anything, they're pretty much paying for a digital file pressed into a inferior format.
Less is more, quality over quality.
And stick your artificially limited edition colour Vinyl where the sun doesn't shine. 😄
The prices of eveything is insane. I take my wife and kids out to the cinema, that would be an easy 35 quid for 2 hours of enjoyment
I buy albums to listen to, not for collecting purposes. Vinyl and CDs will be something my kids will be trying to figure out what to do with after mh days are done.
As a resource Discogs is invaluable. But you are correct it ruins the discovery aspect of finding and buying records. Also, it unfairly devalues albums buy eliminating their rarity. I have CDs that I spent years looking for before Discogs. Now those same Ultra Rare CDs sell for pennies because the seller doesn't know what they have. Consequently, future sales of said album also sell for an unfairly low price and a once rare album becomes worthless.
Discogs has the effect of polarising prices because it’s effectively a world market. Rare records become even more valuable and records that are not scarce become devalued.
Records that I couldn't get a dollar for 10 years ago I am now selling for $20, $30 and more. Striking while the iron is hot. I hope the trend continues, because the current stupid high prices of records is funding my retirement. Cha CHING!
I have the biggest cd collection known at 80K pieces that are curated and not random lots. 45% jazz, 45% soul, 4% rock, 3% country, 1% blues, 1% rap, 1% or less of gospel, world, reggae, electronic, and other.
Buy directly from the artists if possible.
Record stores DO NOT have to bring in everything offered at record store day. They can gear it if they only want to sell one or if they only want to deal with jazz.
There always is 20% of titles that are "hard sells" and need to be greatly reduced as the interest just isn't there for folks like Rita Coolidge on Lp or Hall and Oates Rock N Soul on cd. They are budget and nominal at best.
You sound like me. I've done exactly this. I'm in the process of just buying my favourite OG thrash records from the 80s and I'm getting rid of most of my CDs. Too much choice. I don't need every Metallica album.
Your so right....even thou' vinyl came back to fashion and the tiny cds stop selling thankfully, people don't listen to their records and the worst of all bars, clubs don't have turntables and don't care to promote strictly vinyl dj nights not even parties once in a while for music lovers who love to dance to the analoque clicks and pops beautiful sound....what can i say i and many music lovers like me stay alone at home and if they go out to drink and have fun they get bored with the silly plastic music that's is offered....maybe in a future day......
Plenty of vinyl DJ nights where I am. If you want one book one in.
I still collect CDs, but not buying them randomly. I don't want to own more than 200, I have around 50 now, i buy only albums which i realy listen to all the time. All genres. Quality over quantity. Less is more. Filling the whole room with CDs is not my way.
I listen to all of mine. Any one have the Warm Dust album for less than $100 or less than $40
I sold my entire record and cd collection a few years ago to pay a vet bill. In a way it was very freeing. Whereas before I'd have to have someone's every recorded note now I just have the records that provoke an emotional response. Never Say Die by Black Sabbath is still a turd and I don't feel bereft because I don't have a copy in the collection anymore that will never get played for example.
I have an esoteric dv-50s I don’t need any records 😂cds are as far as I’m going these days everything else gets downloaded illegally 😊
Having sold records on eBay and always found their cut to be excessive I’m now using Vinted and so far it’s been great. No fees or percentage of sale, they just take the postage money. Pretty impressed so far.
I know Ebay take a chunky cut, but its still better overall than any other way of selling, esp if you want to make space quickly!
some good points raised, back in the 60's every new (£1.17s 6d) album purchase was a risk as you never got the chance to hear anything first except for the listening booth, full albums available on youtube and amazon etc. so today all new albums can be auditioned first. In the 70's near mint used albums could be bought for around £1.50 - 2.50 so i used to buy a dozen at a time and take back the duds for exchange next time. Today unless you spend over £800 on a decent turntable vinyl will not sound so good so you're probably better off with cd.
Hi. While I do agree with you that a lot of people who buy vinyl, just collect, rather than play. I don't agree with you when you knock cheap record players. That's irrelevant. I learned to love music as a kid on cheap record players back in the 70s and early 80s.
Its like funko pop. Some want them bc they like the franchise and collect it... not for playing with them... same with records
Record fairs are a rip off. Why do you have to pay an entrance fee to shop there? You don't have to pay to shop in Sainsburys or John Lewis etc.
I’ve always thought the same thing. The organiser gets paid by the sellers AND by the buyers! They will have their own costs to cover though (such as hiring the venue). I doubt it’s a particularly big money “spinner” for them, if you pardon the pun.
Add car boot sales to that as well.
I thought if I could just spend two years without buying any records and just listen to what I have already I could have enough money to buy another car or take mu niece on a trip around the world for her graduation.
Discogs and the internet in general have ruined record collecting
Most vinyl being purchased today is used, noisy audio and the music is at least 25 years old or much older. 1:47
You are not a true music fan if you just rely on a handful of old vinyl records.
Time to update yourself musically!
Embrace digital audio.
It's everywhere, it's far cheaper and the selection blows away the limited old fogie music so overpriced on used vinyl.
I see your an exspurt 😂
Interesting that you are able to define what a 'real' music fan is. I have been buying vinyl records since I was a kid in the 1950's. I stil listen to them so I guess I am not a real music fan. Who would have thought it?
If only you told me as an expert 50 years ago @georgebertozzi8267.
The " golden era" of vinyl collecting, was actually the 90s / early 2000s. The old stuff was still new enough to be in good shape, and people were giving them away free or practically free. Unless you collected in the 90s, you cant fathom the amount of awesome stuff that was a dollar or less. I got complete Ramones discographies for a buck each album. The Cure, Depeche Mode, etc - i got every single one mint buck each. BUT, it was an EMBARASSING experience. Records were always on the floor, in some dark corner, very hard to shop. And you ALWAYS had onlookers saying things like " doesn't this stupid mf own a cd player. What would he want those useless antiques for" . I felt like i was a lone soldier on a battlefield of cds. I hated cds then, and still do. In the 90s, there was no internet to check what new releases came on vinyl, so you hit as many cd stores as you could, hoping to find that new vinyl gem. Most new stuff didnt even come on vinyl, so it was slim pickins.
Actually I'm thinking of doing another video that covers this topic quite well! The Pre and Post Ebay world as Ebay started (well for mew in the UK) in 1999!
Record Day is just overpriced records. I dont even bother to go
My nephew just got me hooked on Spotify not touched my vinyl records for six months 😮
Perfectly understandable
Right on, I jam spotify when I want to be lazy.. lol😂
Discogs and greedy dealers have ruined record collecting with their obscene prices
Yes, post eBay, Amazon, Discogs and Popsike ,we are screwed. Suddenly every joker and slacked jaw troll is an expert and attempting to supplement their disability checks on what they perceive to be their record hustle....Yes the golden age of record collecting is coming to an end,, largely do the over optimistic illusion of some "great score"...or "great value"...
I dissagree mate, the blokes I see in the record while I’m shopping, are specific to their likes. They want the pleasure of the product. The artifact comes later, as does the soundtrack of their life. Really it’s the same reason this old timer loves the product …good luck.
Discogs has turned record collecting into a cash grab. Music has no meaning anymore because it has been coopted by *The Collector* as a money making operation rather than a mind expanding, soul revitalizing, life affirming/changing experience. Original pressings of *anything* from *any era* are now magically worth 10-20 times any other pressing. Obscure albums are also now worth 10-20 times what they were a mere 10-12 years ago. Even second hand shops are charging ridiculous prices for any/all records. What happened to being a music fan rather than a collector? You can't even afford to be a music fan anymore!
In some cases it has also brought down the value of some titles too
@@MatthewNorthMusic And rightfully so. Yes. It's kinda fluid like that. I don't think Discogs is a good barometer for... anything... having to do with wether music is actually *good* or not. Rate Your Music is actually a great forum for that. But I digress.
No
Your confusing two things investing and collecting; If your investing in something say the QR from Steely Dan then your not opening them your investing in them because now you can’t find an copy of STeely Dan records for 30 pounds when available. Music is history to the real collector and so it’s a big part of the allure
As I've mentioned on another video these overpriced audio file as I've mentioned on another video these overpriced audiophile releases are just a direct way of record companies extracting the most amount of money they can out of very very rich mostly old men. When the 65 plus year old men that spend this money on these records are all gone those ones step deluxe reissues are all going to be completely worthless well maybe not worthless but they're not going to be worth the money they are now.
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You as a consumer can send a message to the record companies by saying that you are not going to buy their product once it reaches a certain price point. If you are speaking about the Music Direct one steps or the QVRs specifically the Steely Dan and many others. My question would be have you listened to any of them on a professional system because if you have you would realize that these are some of the best recordings made by some of the best sound engineers in the world and their sound stage is far far superior to the original recordings.
@@robertbyington7715 I understand what you are saying, but most people, including myself have more modest systems. My point therefore is would I hear such a difference on my system to warrant paying so much more. Of course people who can afford hi end systems can afford these pressings, so I think it is relative.
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Agreed but these new pressings are just so superior to even the original take Jonie Mitchel’s Blue the new pressing is so good I gave my originals away
@@robertbyington7715As a Rock and Punk fan the records you are referring to are turds. Shiny turds but still turds.
Good honest take on what i have been thinking since the vinyl boom took off about 10 years ago, back then you would be hard pressed to find many albums in secondhand shops for more than a fiver now your paying £15 for a dire straits album or £30 for songs from the big chair both of which were £2 albums not long ago, where i dont agree is your take on the shops themselves, they have vastly inflated the prices of secondhand records and i believe it is that along with buying in records at £2 a pop that has contributed to the prices reflected on sites like ebay.
That is exactly the point it's amazing how many albums that you find really cheaply and now selling for stupid money.
ive bought records all my life. i still buy records to listen to. i dont buy multiple versions, just one that i want in my collection to listen to.
these folk who buy them as investments or wallpaper or on crosley suitcases do not bother me in the least.
RSD is a load of crap now, but every year there is one or two items i pick up.
if its too dear for me... i wont buy it. same ideology ive used since i was 10 buying 7inches with pocket money
Please explain what was the golden era of record collecting first? Smh!
You either continually love the music and seek it out to own it or not. Simple.
Rubbish. Some people collect and use basic turntables but why is that a problem? Your attitude is bad. There are still millions who listen to their records. What a ridiculous point of view.
Have you ever heard a crosley record player ? They are truly dreadful. They can almost be classed as very basic and acceptable if you use headphones but that is stretching it somewhat.