Different vinyl listeners and collectors. Listeners tend to not care about any of that other then “don’t scratch up”. Collectors are so anal, the real anal ones do what this guy does. Over time it’ll get ring wear, even slightly. I’m a collector that is also a listener. I “collect” my favorite albums and I listen to them, I keep most on the outside in the paper sleeve so I don’t have to pull out the entire album and it’ll stop ring wear UNLESS you have a bunch packed together…then you’ll get ring wear not matter what. Hey ring wear happens. My brand new copy of the Amazon exclsucie Iron Maiden senjutsu has ring wear on the inner sleeve. It’s not terrible but it’s there and so what?! What am I really going to ever sell my record collection? N O NO
@paulb111 But the good thing is that you see the vinyl record's label, so no problem. I never go through my collection to look at the back, whenever I listen to a record, I study its sleeve.
Some may take exception to this but I have always felt the vinyl belongs in the jacket (it is there to protect the vinyl), inner sleeve opening facing up and outer clear sleeve facing up. Unless you’re a DJ easy access shouldn’t be an issue, the added steps to remove the record are just part of the ritual of vinyl record listening.
I’ve made adjustments that are based on the protective clear sleeve sliding partially off like Frank showed. You have a good point however as yes that’s the design and process of playing records. Yet it’s okay to see if we can improve as we go. But a point well taken. ☮️
The big exception for me is if I have old jackets that have seam splits/wear. I prefer to have the record outside because I don't want to damage it further.
I do it to protect against seam splits and ring wear. I stored my LPs in the jackets until I started noticing rings on the sleeves of records I bought just 5 years ago.
@@antstep1030 oh wow that's a bummer, I'm surprised. It might be due to the pressure of so many on the same shelf too. I thought plastic outer sleeves prevented that.
This is why I wish record covers would open from the top instead of the side. You would be able to use a sleeve, keep the records inside the jacket, and still see the artist/album on the spine when put on the shelf. It just makes so much more sense!
My collection is really small.. but when I started to get some interest in vinyls, and bought my first turntable, it appeared that most enthusiasts (like yourself :) ) enjoyed this method, so I tried it and loved it. :)
I’m kind if a traditionalist. Inner sleeve (Diskeeper 2.0 from Sleeve City) holds the record with the opening on the top and that plus any lyric sheets or custom lyric inner sleeves goes into the outer sleeve. Then the whole package slides into the outer sleeve with the opening on top to prevent the album from slipping out the side on the shelf as you showed. I don’t mind pulling out the jacket to get to the record and storing everything in the jacket protects the whole package, plus I can enjoy the back of the jacket since it’s not being covered by the record. I feel the front and back artwork needs to be enjoyed as a whole.
Totally agree with putting record back in sleeve. The idea of the record being exposed bothered me the first time I saw that method. The first outer plastic I ever used I realized the opening needed to be at the top.
Vinyl Storage Solutions dual pocket is the way to go. I changed all my sleeves including Sleeve City over to VSS. Keeps the jacket and the record separate with both sealed to protect them
I have adopted this method for my vinyl collection and it has made my life much easier. It also eliminated bunching on corners which slowed down insertion or if someone else not putting away properly.
Awesome video! I've been sleeving this way for years too Frank, I find it better for the reasons you have mentioned. One other thing I do by habit now is turn the inner sleeve 90 degrees so the opening is to either side preventing dust from settling in the inner sleeve!
I have the outer sleeves the same way for the same reason with the opening facing up however I keep any special inner sleeve (like with lyrics) inside the cover to protect it. The record goes in a plastic inner sleeve as you have but I turn opening on its side instead of leaving it facing up like the outer sleeve. Dust gets into the record inner sleeve if you leave the opening facing up.
@2:45 Rotate that Sabbath inner so that the arrows point to the side instead - it will completely seal it from dust. I've done this for ages. Whenever a double LP and gatefold, put the arrows facing opposite of the spine - so no seam split will occur on the spine. It is so super easy to store records this way without the outer sliding off, and it is so easy to listen to the records. Sometime I don't play a record if it is inside the jacket because I am lazy - as I sometimes do put them inside the jacket also, but have the outer facing up. 😂
Interesting video Frank. I too had the same issue when storing my record jackets in the sleeves with the open ends matching. Good for convenience to take the vinyl out of the covers but it was a real pain when the sleeves would slip off while sliding them onto the shelves. So I now insert the record jacket in with the open end inside and the outer sleeve opening at the top. It solved the issue perfectly. Great video Frank.
I put my records in the cover/jacket then slide the cover vertically into the outer sleeve. I find it helps keep a lot of dust off my records. Very interesting video Frank. I’m going to give your way a try too. Thanks 🙏
I only used to cover the album cover with a protective cover. Since watching Channel 33 RPM, I copy your method now and use the inner sleeves as well. Particularly good at protecting those inner paper sleeves with the lyrics and notes !! I've learnt plenty from this channel !! thank you !!
This is a great idea! Since I’m just beginning my collection, I’m still operating out of boxes so it’s much easier to retrieve albums with the outer sleeve opening at the top. I will take the advice of several here and store the inner album sleeve with the opening on the right. Since my collection is small, this will be an easy new habit to create.
Cheers Frank im glad someone questioned you on outter sleeve storage , interesting topic. I to store my lps in that fashion. I top load my lps in the outter sleeve just as you do , and the vinyl is stored with the inner sleeve behind the cover as you were demonstrating. Makes life easier with easy access to your lps. Not only protecting cover from wear and tear every time you pull the record out it protects your LP from the dreaded paper sleeves And wring wear i think its the professional way to protect precious record collections
Hey Frank, I started to use your storage method back about 8 years ago after watching my first 33RPM vid. This method also reduces ring wear which is a biggie for me. Top tip and still using till this day. Thank you.
I have adopted this method myself, it has made my life so much easier. I have only just started buying records after nearly 40+ years. I have to say with the advent of CD / DVD / Blu-Ray audio one can (With the right equipment) can get a true studio experience. Though buying Bat out of Hell & Bad for Good on LP versus the CD format was satisfying. With the full sized art & lyric sheets in my hands, I feel vary connected to the music.
Thanks for explaining your reasoning! At first I thought it made no sense, but then I realized you were preventing the sleeve from slipping, which I hate! Now I'm going to do the same!
Yes. That is why I do also, especially on the double albums. Ring press is horrible and reduces the value significantly. Plus it's less wear and tear on the jacket.
Great video Frank! I just converted approx. 1,000 records to this way of storage. It took some time but well worth it. Much easier to gain access to the record without pulling the outer sleeve in and out of the poly. As someone mentioned in the comments, it does increase the storage space slightly. I use the sealable sleeves from Clearbags but I'm thinking about upgrading to the dual pocket sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions.
This is totally how I store mine, and it came about the same way. I started with them sleeved to side, but had the same issue with it sliding off. When I changed to the top load method, it made my storage so much better. I haven't tried the double pocket sleeve yet, but I'm definitely going to look into them now. Just as long as they are polyethylene and not pvc.
At first I wasnt so sure about it.But Now I have switch my vinyl storage method,it now looks better and more easy to get record out.And Showing off diffrent pressings are another benefit.
I've always been a traditionalist when it comes to vinyl storage, having the album and sleeve in the dust jacket with the poly bag opening at the top. I always have enough room in each storage module to get my whole hand in. Packing too tight is never good a thing and having too big of a lean is also a potential warping issue. If you alphabetize it also helps to have spare space available for those inevitable new additions instead of constant shifting. It's good to see that there have been advances like gatefold and oversize poly bags to accommodate double and even triple albums, something that didn't exist when I was a kid just getting into vinyl. 👍
I know other collectors new to the he hobby have started storing their records this way. I’m not crazy about having the record outside the sleeve other than for shipping purposes.
I've never gotten over the personal need to keep the record itself inside the jacket. I'll usually keep lyric sheets and printed inner sleeves inside as well, but if that gives the jacket any stress, I remove those and keep them outside of the jacket. I've dedicated new outer sleeves just to interior items, particularly with multi-record sets. This may drive some folks crazy, but I also place the record so that you can slide it right out of the jacket without having to move much of the inner protective sleeve. The outer sleeve always points up, so the record doesn't come out until the outer sleeve is removed. I love this because then I can just remove the outer sleeve and put the record on quickly. I also like being able to handle the jackets and read all the details on them. There's something about the tactile experience. I want to know what material they used to make the jackets, because that's sometimes part of the album experience. Great idea for a video.
I like your old way. See my over 2000 records are in crates. Either on 4 desk or on rolling carts that slide under the desk. This way I go through records like you do in record stores. You fan through them. Plus I have dividers between different kinds of music or record labels. It is what works for me
I tried this method, and I'm definitely not going back! Cheers, mate! I store things a bit differently though - I have one archival sleeve over the record itself, one slim sleeve over the jacket, and one large outer sleeve over both of these things. The main part is that I rotate my two inner sleeves 90 degrees so they face to the side, so the dust doesn't get in. The outer sleeve opening faces upwards to prevent things from slipping from inside of it. I also tend to rotate the inner record sleeve's white side to the inside to see the record cover, but it's just my personal preference. The thing to note is that this method might cause the jacket spine to bend since there's nothing inside it to hold the shape. It might be worth putting some cardboard inside, though I have yet to try it. Also, if you have 2-(more) records in an album, it gets crowded inside. Two LPs are somewhat ok, but three are a bit janky. My Aphex Twin - Syro has three, and it's borderline too tight.
The major reason records are shipped outside the jacket, especially with used, is to prevent seam splits on the jacket, or keep them from getting worse during transit. As far as how you choose to store your records, that's entirely up to you, It's OK to shelve inside the jackets, and it's OK not to use an outer sleeve around the jacket. Just NEVER use PVC sleeves or album covers, they will destroy your records. The PVC modified to be transparent and flexible will migrate to the surface of the stable PVC LP surface and leave permanent splotches, streaks and "stains" that can not be cleaned away. The PVC sleeves can bubble, wrinkle and glue themself to the jacket. Sometimes a damaged record will play through, but that's rare. Suspect any used record in "plastic" sleeves. If there is a smell of "fruit" or petroleum (VOC's, or volatile organic compounds), then you most likely have PVC. Use only ARCHIVAL types of material. Responsible sellers of LP storage products will state, or respond to an inquiry, that their products are archival quality. I use a record cleaning system (not the same as cleaning for play, maybe once or twice a year deep clean) and replace the inner sleeve at every cleaning with archival paper or non PVC poly products labeled as archival. enjoy the vinyl life
I personally use the duel pockets and those inner sleeves you use for those that aren’t factory sealed and the resealable ones for the factory sealed. So far after years, I have not had any issues with my vinyl collection. It’s beautiful, love touching them and looking at them…oh and of course I love the music on them 🙂🤘
I just started collecting (only have 9 atm) but I immediately started with the dual pockets and I have to say I love it, I'm mostly collecting for me and I want my jackets to stay pristine, so for me they were a no brainer
@@reaperofburgers Hey there, 9, thats ok, we all start from somewhere. I bet they are 9 good ones. Which ones do you have? Wish you all the best in your collecting adventure. I started with a cassette of Deep purple, then my boss gave me his Deep Purple "Machine Head" first press and it went from there, a cassette and an album :)
@@MykeWinters I've got All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals AVOID - Cult Mentality (Coloured) The Devil Wears Prada - Color Decay (Limited Tour Edition) (Coloured) Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory Linkin Park - Meteora Nickelback - All the Right Reasons Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf Zebrahead - II EP (Signed) (Coloured) and Zebrahead - III EP (Coloured) So far I'm a big fan of coloured vinyl which might end up being my main collecting point in the future.
@@reaperofburgers Apologies for the late reply. I LOVE coloured vinyl, especially splatter. You have some good ones there...Linkin Park, All that remains, QOTSA. Have you added anymore since you posted? Think ive added about 20. Here's a few of them: Flotsam and Jetsam - Flotzilla 12" single (first press) Uncle Acid - Nell' Ora Blu (Giallo yellow vinyl - Crash records exclusive) Judas Priest - Invincible shield (red vinyl - Assai records obi edition, 300 copies) QOTSA - New Times roman (silver vinyl - Assai obi edition 200 copies) Limp Bizkit - Live at Rock IM park 2001 (yellow & blue swirl RSD 500 copies Slift - ILION (Spacedust marble 500 copies) Slift - ILION (Yellow & fire engine marbled - rough trade exclusive 500 copies) Deep Purple - Perfect strangers (first uk Pressing) I hope you find loads and enjoy your collecting. Best wishes
@@MykeWinters Yes I have! The vinyl bug has definitely bitten me 😂 I've added 35 to my collection since then. Some of the highlights have been Linkin Park - Papercuts (Zoetrope Picture Disc) Jammin' Sam Miller - Donkey Kong Country 1 and 3 Recreated (Banana Yellow) QOTSA - QOTSA (Orange Reissue) Shania Twain - Greatest Hits (Baby Blue) Alien Ant Farm - Mantras (Red/Gold Split w/ Black Splatter) And my personal favourite pick is I found a small Canadian Power Metal bands record: Crimson Shadows - Kings Among Men
Thank you for your tips. I’ve learned over time to use the album jacket to store the record while pointing the opening of the inner sleeve upward (not open to the opening of the jacket). Then, as you’ve shown, I outer-sleeve the jacket upward so it is easier to put the whole item in a cubby or a storage box. It also gives me peace of mind that the inner-sleeved record will not inadvertently slide out while handling the whole unit.
I typically put my record back in the sleeve with the outer protective sleeve pointed up. However if it is a 50’s or early 60’s (and some later) sleeve I will store with the record out as those early sleeves are tighter and more susceptible to seam splitting while trying to stuff a record with a latter day inner sleeve.
Just ordered the double pocket sleeves and the gatefold sleeves with rice paper inner sleeves for my small collection. Thank you for showing your method of storing the records.
You got a great system for storing your records Frank. Your records and the jackets got a better chance to be free of things like ring-worm scaring. Those top quality sleeves will avoid paper decay issues that could harm the jacket and record. Unfortunately my own collection isn't as well maintained. A driver behind it was that less plastic and there's more space on the stand so I didn't use outer-jacket sleeves. I do have the same inner sleeves as yours though because they're top notch.
Hi there Frank, Greetings from the U.K. What you say in your video makes sense. Also, you should add that your outer album cover doesn't get damaged as much if you put the vinyl behind. I have a lot of old second hand vinyl and have some sleeve's that are a little worn due to age and how previous owners have stored and used them. I try my best to preserve the records that I have, as some are very hard to replace now. As always, keep up the good work.
I use Mylar for 80% of my records. When you go to slide a record into the shelf, the outer sleeve doesn't slide off. The sleeves (not cheap) are made of polyester and are more rigid than polypropylene/polyethylene. A little tight for gatefolds but I've never damaged any of my jackets. Mylar sleeves allow me to keep the opening on the side and therefore keep my records free of dust particles. Mylar also lets outer album artwork truly shine, it is actually stunning. I've had quality issues with the pricey gatefold sleeves that you discussed in your video and I can't stand the sealable or resealable products, I've had issues with those as well. I've recently tried the MOFI outer sleeves and love them, the value for money is hard to beat.
Question: By having the sleeve & record on the rear, have you noticed any ring wear against the front of the record behind it? With this method it sticks out more and then has a circle pressing against a flat cover, versus having the record inside the cover
Have always sleeved my records behind the jacket. It protects the jacket from seam splitting ring wear, edge wear etc. If you have outer protective sleeves that aren't baggy and fit the sleeve properly you don't need to drop in vertically, its also better at creating a dust proof seal between the opening of the mofi or whatever archival inner sleeve from dust if you slide them in sideways. I invested in a large amount of protective sleeves and mofi inners quite some years ago and re sleeved my whole collection (2500 ish at the time) I now have a stock of them and everything that comes in gets cleaned, listened to and sleeved up then filed into the collection.
Just coming across your video now but I too got sick of the sleeves sliding off and changed to this same sleeves up way. Super convenient for me as well. Cheers!
i recently started collecting vinyl and these entertaining videos have helped me a lot to keep my collection in order. I have so far almost exclusively German hip-hop in my collection and own only about 10 albums but it is still a nice hobby to listen to his favorite music :)
Storing the record outside of the cover makes one side of the record vulnerable to pressure damage. Why does nobody ever mention this? Records belong INSIDE the cover. If the cover splits, you're not handling the records with care.
The more you handle the sleeve the more wear you put on them.. That is what causes damage no matter how careful you are with them.. And if you store the album protective in the back sleeved you don't hurt the album when stored and you don't get ring wear on the album.. If you leave the album inside the cover and have too much pressure when you store them together you get ring wear.. Storing your records your way is fine if you just listen to your albums and you don't care what the sleeves look like.. But collectors store them the way the video says to protect the records and the sleeves.. Which in turn protects their value.. And you only get pressure damage if you store them too tightly together which you shouldn't do anyway
Honestly I find it easier to store the record jacket with the record outside for easier access when listening. I feel like if you store your records correctly without having them pressed tightly together, you’re unlikely to get much wear on the jacket itself if any.
Just don't stuff all your records tightly together? Ringwear and warping is still an issue to your jackets and vinyl regardless if your record is inside or outside the jacket
I agree with you exactly. No crammed sleeves, easy access to everything Hate those stupid gatefold condom sleeves. Just take the record and covers out to look at them
If you're after easy, no hassle , no nonsense then listen to Spotify! I keep my records in the jacket, to me that's the traditional way! I honestly don't get the whole idea that it's so much quicker storing them at the back, playing records isn't supposed to be about speed it's a tactile experience. The jackets main job is to protect the record, it does a much better job of that with the record inside it. It seems maintaining the condition of the cover is far more important than looking after the vinyl these days. As unlikely as you may be to drop a record or drop some thing on a record, I'd much prefer it to have as much protection as possible from the very "device" that was designed to provide it.
thumbs up for vinyl copy of Your Filthy Little Mouth in back. I love that record got it on vinyl as well back in my VH/Dave collecting days. You’re braver than me though, I never even picked up Diamond Dave on CD much less that new vinyl that was released.
Great video Frank as usual again. I'm beginning to store my records the last way you mentioned. Vinyl Storage Solutions actually had a nice sale on this weekend so I placed another order for more inner and outer sleeves as well as some record dividers. I've been searching for some inexpensive ones for a while now. While these ones are not cheap the sale made them a deal. Keep on spinning Frank 👍
Frank, I put my LPs into upgraded inner sleeves if they don't come in them. These go back in the jacket. I want the jacket to provide protection to the LP. I put them in outer sleeves with the opening at the spine. This is the best way I found to keep dust out and not have any issues with the outer sleeve slipping as I insert into it’s shelf spot. All my albums are arranged in the order they are listed in my Discogs database.
I house mine 'traditional' but with the opening at the top, and use crystal clear Blake sleeves which make the art pop. This solves the slip issue you demonstrated, but I still keep everything inside the LP jacket so that I can see the rear cover without removing the record. I use round botter inner sleeves, but I imagine if I had square bottom ones like yours I would do what you do.
Vinyl Storage solutions are awesome his solutions work perfectly the gatefold is awesome Ive had 2 deliveries now down here in Australia and I can't fault the quality or the service.
I don't need quick access to my records (I don't really listen to the same record over and over), I don't use outer sleeves sideways (I use resealable sleeves and put them in with the opening at the top), and I like to see the back of the jacket. Overall, I just think it looks bad and I have no use for it. I'm glad you're into it though!
Not for me, Frank. As far as I'm concerned the cover is to protect the record. A thin layer of plastic doesn't offer any protection. I get that the cover would get scuffed up over time through use, but I'm willing to have that rather than the record itself being damaged. So, I just keep the record in its inner sleeve with the opening at the top, in its cover, in a plastic sleeve with the opening at the top. It's all about protecting the record from dust and any damage. Cheers - Hedley
As I store on shelves versus bins, I like the sleeve opening up top to eliminate the slipping off as you demonstrated. I do like the VSS double Pocket sleeves for their clarity and the additional pocket. Now I just need to make time to clean and sleeve all of my vinyl. #SetGoals
Big Fudge inner anti-static sleeve for the vinyl which resides outside the back of the outer all in a 3mil Japanese resealable outer. For those criticizing this method that it does not support the vinyl, it actually really does the same thing because there's another cover from another album right in front of it on my shelves. Literally the same amount of support for the vinyl...it saves the outer from unnecessary wear. Also, dividers every 4-6 inches for support across the collection.
Funny from the day I started using outer plastic sleeves on some stuff I never even thought of matching opening. Alway's put opening at top. I figured less dust could get inside the jacket too. I have quite q few RCA Living Stereo LP's that were my Gramp's that he got when he got RCA's first stereo console. Around 1958. They spent most of their lives in a paper sleeve in the jacket, no outer plastic and the ones that weren't played to death still sound like NEW.
I use 12 5/8 clear plastic sleeves for single albums and small gatefolds. For double albums and larger gatefolds I use 12 15/16 plastic sleeves. I also remove the record from its original printed inner sleeve, place it in a new inner and store it between the cover and outer clear plastic sleeve. It’s nice when the vinyl record company prints a two sided lyric/information sheet and sends the vinyl in one of those rice paper/clear inners.
I use two outer sleeves. First one goes on with opening facing away from the spine, then the second goes over that with opening facing up. Allows the record plus inner sleeve to slide in behind the jacket between outer sleeve layers.
I store my records the same way. I never understood how people can deal with the sleeve constantly coming off the other way. I also like not putting the wear and tear on the jacket by constantly pulling them in and out of the jacket itself. Great video Frank! Keep up the good work!
@4:25 regarding the Kiss record example. Buy bigger polythene outer sleeves. And whenever it is a gatefold sleeve, I put one record in the middle, and one in the back.
Only thing I do differenly is turn the record protector sleeve sideways so record will not spill out of the top. It requires another step to remove the record, maybe some dust protection also. Also, no substitute for the Kallax. So versatile. I use the 4 x 4, 4 x 2, and 4 x1--you can stack on top to expand inventory when needed, too.
I kind of do it this way too, though I started a while ago only to use gatefold outer sleeves, even for non-gatefold jackets and single record albums. Then the one "pocket" of the gatefold sleeve is used for the jacket, the other for the record and if there's lyrics on the original inner sleeve it goes there as well. Otherwise the original inner sleeve goes back into the jacket empty
Personally i use a record sleeve that closes with a resealable adhesive fold over tab so that way i can store it traditionally and the record sleeve wont slide. To get my records out i just open the tab and its completely dust free! Also use the mofi or happy record inner sleeve for my records keeping them nice and clean!🤙🏼
I've got some like that if they are hard to stuff in sleeve or if the sleeve is split but I prefer it the "normal" way so you can see the track list without pulling the record
I generally do this. I either use an outer sleeve where I can or need it, otherwise I just leave the shrink wrap, then bung the inner sleeve outside the cover but within the outer sleeve. And I've done this for years and it absolutely saves a few things. It keeps inadvertent scratches down (I also use a vaccum cleaner - an Okki Nokki) and it stop wear and tear on the sleeve. Basically, I find it to be easy to access and easy to keep things pristine as you can and easily so.
I use the Vinyl Storage Solution double pocket resealables. I then place my record into rice paper, put the record into a plain white record cover, then place the record into the back pocket of the Vinyl Storage Solution outer sleeve. This way I can clearly see the record cover without ever having to touch it again, while the record itself is doubly protected. I also use Sleeve City's Ultimate Inner Sleeve, which are easily the best rice paper sleeves on the market. None other comes close.
Great video as always Frank. After seeing the sealable dual pocket sleeves from VSS, I have been changing my collection over. He owes you some free product from all the business you threw his way....lol. I haven't seen anything I like for my gatefolds. Thanks for sharing and keep on spinnin....
I'll learn this trip from you about 4 years ago and that's how I store all my albums... It does make it super easier! Now I do have about one crate of Records maybe more better not slaved anyway because the covers were beat up anyway because I'm not sure when I keep the albums...lol. Great video Frank
According to schoolboy science dust and dirt, the traditional scourge of vinyl records and the very substances we are using a vinyl cover as protection against, will fall vertically, straight into the upwards facing opening and into the pocket now formed by the plastic covering sleeve. Cold, hard fact. Just rotate the vinyl cover on the sleeve 180 degrees from the traditional position (or 90 degrees anti-clockwise from where you have it)and you have, in combination with the jacket spline, an almost hermetic seal that won't slide off when inserting records onto your shelf. Perfect. Granted. you have extra effort to remove the sleeve to access the record but that's cheaper than a gym membership
"straight into the upwards facing opening and into the pocket " Hence why I rotate it so that no dust comes in (I mean the inner with the record - rotated 90 degrees). No need to do it cumbersome like you do.
I use crates to get that record store flipping feel when I’m looking for something to listen to and I see the art instead of spines on a shelf. Because of how I flip through them and how they have a little bit of a lean in the crates, I keep my records inside the static sleeves inside of the album jacket, to keep the record protected while flipping through them and to also keep the jackets from getting crushed. I just pull the outer sleeve off and put it back on sideways so I can slide the records out of the jacket. Those nice paper backed inner sleeves allow them to slide in and out pretty smoothly
I bought a "bulk lot" of Mo-fi sleeves for my entire collection, use the vertical outer sleeve method and use an anti-friction treatment on my records.
Have been enjoying records since the 70’s and never used outer sleeves. I find storage or lack there of or mis-treatment is the biggest cause of wear and tear not lack of an outer sleeve.
Unless you wash your hands everytime you touch the sleeve you are getting oils and dirt from your hands that are wearing on your sleeves.. If you don't collect records and just listen to them or doesn't matter but having the least amount wear to the sleeve is part of the value of the record.. To keep the value you must protect the sleeve
I do it the traditional way. Yes, the sleeve CAN slide off, sometimes but, I usually prevent that by sliding out (just an inch or 3) several albums next to the one I'm looking for, partly so I know where it goes when I want to put it back in and partly because, if I put the one record back in, I'll see to it that all the others next to it get squared up to it and they all get pushed back in at the same time as if they are all one record and that stops at least 99% of the sleeve from coming back out. If it DOES come back out just a tiny bit, pull a couple next to it back out about 2", even them all up and push them all in at the same time. Holding them fairly tightly at the top and bottom corners at the same time as you push them in can help, too. As for the single pocket double album cover, get a couple pieces of 12 x 12 chipboard (preferably acid-free) to put into the cover so you CAN'T crush it. Or, if you have access to those white or black dividers they use in record store shelves, trim those down to 12 x 12 and use them instead of the chipboard. Maybe even just an ordinary piece of corrugated cardboard would do the trick.
Agreed - I've done the same. I don't eat breakfast around my music, or use the cardboard jackets as cutting boards, or any other ridiculous actions that cause damage so I'm not sure what the plastic sleeve is protecting against. And the slightly larger sized outer sleeves look much sloppier than an uncovered jacket. I'm happy with this style of record management.
I adopted the record behind the sleeve since you randomly mentioned it on another video, it’s the best. I store the inner sleeves opening to the side though. I found outer sleeves on german amazon that are big enough to accommodate a two disc album, but i have two three disc albums that i did not find a solution yet.
If you're using Vinyl Storage Solutions sealable sleeves, why don't you seal the sleeve at the end with the jacket hole. This has a few advantages 1) if you need to get into the jacket for whatever reason you can, 2) you don't have a seam on the spine so it's much easier to read said spine when it's on a shelf, 3) it puts the opening of the 2nd pocket at the side instead of the top so you can put the vinyl into the 2nd pocket with the inner sleeve at a different angle from the outer sleeve hole which helps prevent dust from getting in.
Haha, great minds think alike! 😅 I too used to put the jacket into the outer sleeve, with both openings at the side, where the record slides in & out of, but quickly ran into the same issue, where the outer sleeve started to come off every time I pulled an album back off the shelf. Now I keep it with the opening at the top, like you do. 👍 However, I really don't care for storing the record on the back of the sleeve like that, as it starts to eat up extra space and I'm not able to squeeze as many records on to a shelf. Though it's a pain in the arse sometimes, having to pull everything out just to get the record, I still keep it inside the jacket, like how it came. It's all part of the ritual for me, I suppose. 😄
I started buying records over 40+ years ago. I always used a clear outer sleeve. You could only get much thicker sleeves in the old days and they never slid off. They're still available but admittedly at a premium price compared to the very thin ones.
I store mine, sleeved, with the opening pointing up. No issue with sleeves sliding off that way, although a bit of dust can get on top portion of the record packaging. These gatefold sleeves are awesome, but just pricey.
My record shelves are similar to yours and the outer poly always does that! So annoying! I am going to start storing mine like this with the opening on top, etc. It'll be a fantastic change! Thx!
The way i do it, for new records, I store the vinyl in a mofi sleeve & then inside jacket. For older records that can have dust n stuff inside the jacket I place it in MOFI sleeve outside of the jacket (then if it had an original sleeve, I keep it inside the jacket).
I'm a traditionalist. It seems to be that the record jacket was designed to protect the vinyl. So why not avail ourselves of that protection? I know that the sharp edge I have a record-store style display / storage bin, and so the outer sleeve slipping off is a non-issue. In fact I insert the inner sleeve opening up, and then the protective cover over the jacket with the opening opposite of the jacket opening (but NOT facing up) as I discovered with my record rack, dust can land on the top of the records. My housecleaner comes through once per week and briefly dusts the top side of the collection so it stays pretty dust-free, but it's probably still best to keep the opening pointing horizontally.
Great video Frank. I just order some more sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions. I use the dual pocket type. As a matter of fact I just ordered some more. I a pinch, I also have the MoFi outer sleeves also.
In storing the 'traditional' way, I fixed my sleeve bunching problem. Don't push the them in by the spine, just hold the leading edge of the jacket and sleeve and pull it into place. You just need to leave enough room on the shelf to fit one hand between the records.
Ring wear is caused by packing your records too tightly next to one another. Store your records with enough space between each other to breathe and you will never have to worry about a ring on the record jacket.
I totally see why you store your records that way, but I would turn the inner sleeve/record so that the opening is to the side. Having both the inner and outer sleeve openings at the top means dust can get to the vinyl more easily. Personally I don’t like the excess outer sleeve at the top of the record. I have the outer sleeve opening to the side, with the inner sleeve opening pointed Up. But then again, my records are stored in a record store type LP bin, so I don’t have the issue of the outer sleeve sliding off.
Aloha Frank, Thanks for sharing how you use your vinyl protector sleeves And the reasons behind them. I also do the same that way I don't have ring wear on my jackets & definitely easy access and those rice paper sleeves really are great. I used to purchase mofi brand sleeves, but I found that Hudson, has their own and they're very inexpensive if you buy them in bulk. I need to check out that double compartment sleeve your showing, as for my outer sleeves used to used 3 mil sleeves not when I can get them I'll buy 4 mil outer sleeves. Thanks again Frank for another interesting video. Looking forward to seeing your next video. Mahalo Ed
I just like to have the vinyl in the sleeve, I know the outer sleeve and inner sleeves will protect the record while it’s stored outside the jacket but I still prefer to have it inside.I’m also squeezed for storage space so every inch helps. 😂
this is also how i do it based on my own trial and error. the only difference is i have the vinyl inner sleeve faceing sideways (so the arrows are pointing to the left, not straight up), i have had vinyl fall out of the inner sleeve by accident a few times. this helps prevent that. thanks!
The main thing I don't like about having the record on the outside of the jacket is, you don't get to see the back cover art.
Different vinyl listeners and collectors.
Listeners tend to not care about any of that other then “don’t scratch up”.
Collectors are so anal, the real anal ones do what this guy does. Over time it’ll get ring wear, even slightly. I’m a collector that is also a listener. I “collect” my favorite albums and I listen to them, I keep most on the outside in the paper sleeve so I don’t have to pull out the entire album and it’ll stop ring wear UNLESS you have a bunch packed together…then you’ll get ring wear not matter what. Hey ring wear happens. My brand new copy of the Amazon exclsucie Iron Maiden senjutsu has ring wear on the inner sleeve. It’s not terrible but it’s there and so what?! What am I really going to ever sell my record collection? N O NO
I want to see the track listing , which is usually there , especially if looking for a particular song amongst numerous albums from the same artist .
@paulb111 But the good thing is that you see the vinyl record's label, so no problem. I never go through my collection to look at the back, whenever I listen to a record, I study its sleeve.
@@derekheeps1244 Use discogs for that. Don't you put all your albums catalogued there?
@@zagreatandini2345 Senjutsu sucks big time anyway. One of their worst records.
Some may take exception to this but I have always felt the vinyl belongs in the jacket (it is there to protect the vinyl), inner sleeve opening facing up and outer clear sleeve facing up. Unless you’re a DJ easy access shouldn’t be an issue, the added steps to remove the record are just part of the ritual of vinyl record listening.
I’ve made adjustments that are based on the protective clear sleeve sliding partially off like Frank showed. You have a good point however as yes that’s the design and process of playing records. Yet it’s okay to see if we can improve as we go. But a point well taken. ☮️
The big exception for me is if I have old jackets that have seam splits/wear. I prefer to have the record outside because I don't want to damage it further.
It can be difficult to get the record in and out, though, and it can cause needless damage to the sleeve
I do it to protect against seam splits and ring wear. I stored my LPs in the jackets until I started noticing rings on the sleeves of records I bought just 5 years ago.
@@antstep1030 oh wow that's a bummer, I'm surprised. It might be due to the pressure of so many on the same shelf too. I thought plastic outer sleeves prevented that.
This is why I wish record covers would open from the top instead of the side. You would be able to use a sleeve, keep the records inside the jacket, and still see the artist/album on the spine when put on the shelf. It just makes so much more sense!
My collection is really small.. but when I started to get some interest in vinyls, and bought my first turntable, it appeared that most enthusiasts (like yourself :) ) enjoyed this method, so I tried it and loved it. :)
I’m kind if a traditionalist. Inner sleeve (Diskeeper 2.0 from Sleeve City) holds the record with the opening on the top and that plus any lyric sheets or custom lyric inner sleeves goes into the outer sleeve. Then the whole package slides into the outer sleeve with the opening on top to prevent the album from slipping out the side on the shelf as you showed. I don’t mind pulling out the jacket to get to the record and storing everything in the jacket protects the whole package, plus I can enjoy the back of the jacket since it’s not being covered by the record. I feel the front and back artwork needs to be enjoyed as a whole.
I use the same sleeve and album protectors. Love sleeve city. The best IMHO.
Totally agree with putting record back in sleeve. The idea of the record being exposed bothered me the first time I saw that method. The first outer plastic I ever used I realized the opening needed to be at the top.
Vinyl Storage Solutions dual pocket is the way to go. I changed all my sleeves including Sleeve City over to VSS. Keeps the jacket and the record separate with both sealed to protect them
I have adopted this method for my vinyl collection and it has made my life much easier. It also eliminated bunching on corners which slowed down insertion or if someone else not putting away properly.
Awesome video! I've been sleeving this way for years too Frank, I find it better for the reasons you have mentioned. One other thing I do by habit now is turn the inner sleeve 90 degrees so the opening is to either side preventing dust from settling in the inner sleeve!
Good point on turning the record 90 degrees. I try to do this when I remember, but old habits die hard :)
I put the opening to the outer sleeve on the left-hand side so no dust can get to the jacket or anything else.
I do the same thing.. That way dust doesn't get in from the top 👍
@@BlondeReaganite Exactly.
I have the outer sleeves the same way for the same reason with the opening facing up however I keep any special inner sleeve (like with lyrics) inside the cover to protect it. The record goes in a plastic inner sleeve as you have but I turn opening on its side instead of leaving it facing up like the outer sleeve. Dust gets into the record inner sleeve if you leave the opening facing up.
@2:45 Rotate that Sabbath inner so that the arrows point to the side instead - it will completely seal it from dust. I've done this for ages. Whenever a double LP and gatefold, put the arrows facing opposite of the spine - so no seam split will occur on the spine. It is so super easy to store records this way without the outer sliding off, and it is so easy to listen to the records. Sometime I don't play a record if it is inside the jacket because I am lazy - as I sometimes do put them inside the jacket also, but have the outer facing up. 😂
Interesting video Frank. I too had the same issue when storing my record jackets in the sleeves with the open ends matching. Good for convenience to take the vinyl out of the covers but it was a real pain when the sleeves would slip off while sliding them onto the shelves. So I now insert the record jacket in with the open end inside and the outer sleeve opening at the top. It solved the issue perfectly. Great video Frank.
I put my records in the cover/jacket then slide the cover vertically into the outer sleeve. I find it helps keep a lot of dust off my records. Very interesting video Frank. I’m going to give your way a try too. Thanks 🙏
I only used to cover the album cover with a protective cover. Since watching Channel 33 RPM, I copy your method now and use the inner sleeves as well. Particularly good at protecting those inner paper sleeves with the lyrics and notes !! I've learnt plenty from this channel !! thank you !!
Thanks Graham! I'm glad you found value in the vids. Cheers.
This is a great idea! Since I’m just beginning my collection, I’m still operating out of boxes so it’s much easier to retrieve albums with the outer sleeve opening at the top. I will take the advice of several here and store the inner album sleeve with the opening on the right. Since my collection is small, this will be an easy new habit to create.
Cheers Frank im glad someone questioned you on outter sleeve storage , interesting topic. I to store my lps in that fashion. I top load my lps in the outter sleeve just as you do , and the vinyl is stored with the inner sleeve behind the cover as you were demonstrating. Makes life easier with easy access to your lps. Not only protecting cover from wear and tear every time you pull the record out it protects your LP from the dreaded paper sleeves And wring wear i think its the professional way to protect precious record collections
Hey Frank, I started to use your storage method back about 8 years ago after watching my first 33RPM vid. This method also reduces ring wear which is a biggie for me. Top tip and still using till this day. Thank you.
I have adopted this method myself, it has made my life so much easier. I have only just started buying records after nearly 40+ years. I have to say with the advent of CD / DVD / Blu-Ray audio one can (With the right equipment) can get a true studio experience. Though buying Bat out of Hell & Bad for Good on LP versus the CD format was satisfying. With the full sized art & lyric sheets in my hands, I feel vary connected to the music.
Thanks for explaining your reasoning! At first I thought it made no sense, but then I realized you were preventing the sleeve from slipping, which I hate! Now I'm going to do the same!
The main reason I don’t store my record in the original outer sleeve is to reduce ring wear
Yes. That is why I do also, especially on the double albums. Ring press is horrible and reduces the value significantly. Plus it's less wear and tear on the jacket.
Great video Frank! I just converted approx. 1,000 records to this way of storage. It took some time but well worth it. Much easier to gain access to the record without pulling the outer sleeve in and out of the poly. As someone mentioned in the comments, it does increase the storage space slightly. I use the sealable sleeves from Clearbags but I'm thinking about upgrading to the dual pocket sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions.
This is totally how I store mine, and it came about the same way. I started with them sleeved to side, but had the same issue with it sliding off. When I changed to the top load method, it made my storage so much better.
I haven't tried the double pocket sleeve yet, but I'm definitely going to look into them now. Just as long as they are polyethylene and not pvc.
Frank because of your channel,I now use the Vinyl storage solution sleeves for my Prince vinyl,they look great👍🇬🇧
Awesome. Glad to hear!
At first I wasnt so sure about it.But Now I have switch my vinyl storage method,it now looks better and more easy to get record out.And Showing off diffrent pressings are another benefit.
I've always been a traditionalist when it comes to vinyl storage, having the album and sleeve in the dust jacket with the poly bag opening at the top. I always have enough room in each storage module to get my whole hand in. Packing too tight is never good a thing and having too big of a lean is also a potential warping issue. If you alphabetize it also helps to have spare space available for those inevitable new additions instead of constant shifting. It's good to see that there have been advances like gatefold and oversize poly bags to accommodate double and even triple albums, something that didn't exist when I was a kid just getting into vinyl. 👍
I know other collectors new to the he hobby have started storing their records this way. I’m not crazy about having the record outside the sleeve other than for shipping purposes.
I've never gotten over the personal need to keep the record itself inside the jacket. I'll usually keep lyric sheets and printed inner sleeves inside as well, but if that gives the jacket any stress, I remove those and keep them outside of the jacket. I've dedicated new outer sleeves just to interior items, particularly with multi-record sets.
This may drive some folks crazy, but I also place the record so that you can slide it right out of the jacket without having to move much of the inner protective sleeve. The outer sleeve always points up, so the record doesn't come out until the outer sleeve is removed. I love this because then I can just remove the outer sleeve and put the record on quickly. I also like being able to handle the jackets and read all the details on them. There's something about the tactile experience. I want to know what material they used to make the jackets, because that's sometimes part of the album experience.
Great idea for a video.
I like your old way. See my over 2000 records are in crates. Either on 4 desk or on rolling carts that slide under the desk. This way I go through records like you do in record stores. You fan through them. Plus I have dividers between different kinds of music or record labels. It is what works for me
I tried this method, and I'm definitely not going back! Cheers, mate!
I store things a bit differently though - I have one archival sleeve over the record itself, one slim sleeve over the jacket, and one large outer sleeve over both of these things. The main part is that I rotate my two inner sleeves 90 degrees so they face to the side, so the dust doesn't get in. The outer sleeve opening faces upwards to prevent things from slipping from inside of it. I also tend to rotate the inner record sleeve's white side to the inside to see the record cover, but it's just my personal preference.
The thing to note is that this method might cause the jacket spine to bend since there's nothing inside it to hold the shape. It might be worth putting some cardboard inside, though I have yet to try it.
Also, if you have 2-(more) records in an album, it gets crowded inside. Two LPs are somewhat ok, but three are a bit janky. My Aphex Twin - Syro has three, and it's borderline too tight.
The major reason records are shipped outside the jacket, especially with used, is to prevent seam splits on the jacket, or keep them from getting worse during transit. As far as how you choose to store your records, that's entirely up to you, It's OK to shelve inside the jackets, and it's OK not to use an outer sleeve around the jacket. Just NEVER use PVC sleeves or album covers, they will destroy your records. The PVC modified to be transparent and flexible will migrate to the surface of the stable PVC LP surface and leave permanent splotches, streaks and "stains" that can not be cleaned away. The PVC sleeves can bubble, wrinkle and glue themself to the jacket. Sometimes a damaged record will play through, but that's rare. Suspect any used record in "plastic" sleeves. If there is a smell of "fruit" or petroleum (VOC's, or volatile organic compounds), then you most likely have PVC. Use only ARCHIVAL types of material. Responsible sellers of LP storage products will state, or respond to an inquiry, that their products are archival quality. I use a record cleaning system (not the same as cleaning for play, maybe once or twice a year deep clean) and replace the inner sleeve at every cleaning with archival paper or non PVC poly products labeled as archival. enjoy the vinyl life
I personally use the duel pockets and those inner sleeves you use for those that aren’t factory sealed and the resealable ones for the factory sealed. So far after years, I have not had any issues with my vinyl collection. It’s beautiful, love touching them and looking at them…oh and of course I love the music on them 🙂🤘
I just started collecting (only have 9 atm) but I immediately started with the dual pockets and I have to say I love it, I'm mostly collecting for me and I want my jackets to stay pristine, so for me they were a no brainer
@@reaperofburgers Hey there, 9, thats ok, we all start from somewhere. I bet they are 9 good ones. Which ones do you have? Wish you all the best in your collecting adventure. I started with a cassette of Deep purple, then my boss gave me his Deep Purple "Machine Head" first press and it went from there, a cassette and an album :)
@@MykeWinters I've got
All That Remains - The Fall of Ideals
AVOID - Cult Mentality (Coloured)
The Devil Wears Prada - Color Decay (Limited Tour Edition) (Coloured)
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Linkin Park - Meteora
Nickelback - All the Right Reasons
Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
Zebrahead - II EP (Signed) (Coloured) and
Zebrahead - III EP (Coloured)
So far I'm a big fan of coloured vinyl which might end up being my main collecting point in the future.
@@reaperofburgers Apologies for the late reply. I LOVE coloured vinyl, especially splatter. You have some good ones there...Linkin Park, All that remains, QOTSA. Have you added anymore since you posted? Think ive added about 20. Here's a few of them:
Flotsam and Jetsam - Flotzilla 12" single (first press)
Uncle Acid - Nell' Ora Blu (Giallo yellow vinyl - Crash records exclusive)
Judas Priest - Invincible shield (red vinyl - Assai records obi edition, 300 copies)
QOTSA - New Times roman (silver vinyl - Assai obi edition 200 copies)
Limp Bizkit - Live at Rock IM park 2001 (yellow & blue swirl RSD 500 copies
Slift - ILION (Spacedust marble 500 copies)
Slift - ILION (Yellow & fire engine marbled - rough trade exclusive 500 copies)
Deep Purple - Perfect strangers (first uk Pressing)
I hope you find loads and enjoy your collecting. Best wishes
@@MykeWinters Yes I have! The vinyl bug has definitely bitten me 😂 I've added 35 to my collection since then. Some of the highlights have been
Linkin Park - Papercuts (Zoetrope Picture Disc)
Jammin' Sam Miller - Donkey Kong Country 1 and 3 Recreated (Banana Yellow)
QOTSA - QOTSA (Orange Reissue)
Shania Twain - Greatest Hits (Baby Blue)
Alien Ant Farm - Mantras (Red/Gold Split w/ Black Splatter)
And my personal favourite pick is I found a small Canadian Power Metal bands record: Crimson Shadows - Kings Among Men
So right about sleeve placement. I've switched mine over to the opening on top.
Your suggestion for putting the album in with the opening at the top is a top priority! I've been doing it that way for years.
Thank you for your tips. I’ve learned over time to use the album jacket to store the record while pointing the opening of the inner sleeve upward (not open to the opening of the jacket). Then, as you’ve shown, I outer-sleeve the jacket upward so it is easier to put the whole item in a cubby or a storage box.
It also gives me peace of mind that the inner-sleeved record will not inadvertently slide out while handling the whole unit.
I typically put my record back in the sleeve with the outer protective sleeve pointed up. However if it is a 50’s or early 60’s (and some later) sleeve I will store with the record out as those early sleeves are tighter and more susceptible to seam splitting while trying to stuff a record with a latter day inner sleeve.
Just ordered the double pocket sleeves and the gatefold sleeves with rice paper inner sleeves for my small collection. Thank you for showing your method of storing the records.
You got a great system for storing your records Frank. Your records and the jackets got a better chance to be free of things like ring-worm scaring. Those top quality sleeves will avoid paper decay issues that could harm the jacket and record. Unfortunately my own collection isn't as well maintained. A driver behind it was that less plastic and there's more space on the stand so I didn't use outer-jacket sleeves. I do have the same inner sleeves as yours though because they're top notch.
Hi there Frank, Greetings from the U.K. What you say in your video makes sense. Also, you should add that your outer album cover doesn't get damaged as much if you put the vinyl behind. I have a lot of old second hand vinyl and have some sleeve's that are a little worn due to age and how previous owners have stored and used them. I try my best to preserve the records that I have, as some are very hard to replace now.
As always, keep up the good work.
I use Mylar for 80% of my records. When you go to slide a record into the shelf, the outer sleeve doesn't slide off. The sleeves (not cheap) are made of polyester and are more rigid than polypropylene/polyethylene. A little tight for gatefolds but I've never damaged any of my jackets. Mylar sleeves allow me to keep the opening on the side and therefore keep my records free of dust particles. Mylar also lets outer album artwork truly shine, it is actually stunning. I've had quality issues with the pricey gatefold sleeves that you discussed in your video and I can't stand the sealable or resealable products, I've had issues with those as well. I've recently tried the MOFI outer sleeves and love them, the value for money is hard to beat.
Paper sleeves
Vinyl Storage Solutions are the best. They are the only ones I use. Thanks Frank!
Question: By having the sleeve & record on the rear, have you noticed any ring wear against the front of the record behind it? With this method it sticks out more and then has a circle pressing against a flat cover, versus having the record inside the cover
Frank you're a genius!! 🙂 I say that because I store all my vinyl the same way as you do 😉
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Have always sleeved my records behind the jacket. It protects the jacket from seam splitting ring wear, edge wear etc. If you have outer protective sleeves that aren't baggy and fit the sleeve properly you don't need to drop in vertically, its also better at creating a dust proof seal between the opening of the mofi or whatever archival inner sleeve from dust if you slide them in sideways. I invested in a large amount of protective sleeves and mofi inners quite some years ago and re sleeved my whole collection (2500 ish at the time) I now have a stock of them and everything that comes in gets cleaned, listened to and sleeved up then filed into the collection.
I do that exactly the same way.. No dust ever gets in you Mofi sleeves when you turn then sideways 👍 wish more people knew that
@@BlondeReaganite We are a few clever ones.
Just coming across your video now but I too got sick of the sleeves sliding off and changed to this same sleeves up way. Super convenient for me as well. Cheers!
I remember you addressed this issue many videos ago as I took your recommendation to heart and re-sleeved all of my LPs over time (550+ LPs).
i recently started collecting vinyl and these entertaining videos have helped me a lot to keep my collection in order. I have so far almost exclusively German hip-hop in my collection and own only about 10 albums but it is still a nice hobby to listen to his favorite music :)
I do this. Took the time to do all my records. Haven’t had any problems
Storing the record outside of the cover makes one side of the record vulnerable to pressure damage. Why does nobody ever mention this? Records belong INSIDE the cover. If the cover splits, you're not handling the records with care.
Amen to that. I don't understand how people find it difficult to pull a record jacket out of the outer sleeve to remove the record...
The more you handle the sleeve the more wear you put on them.. That is what causes damage no matter how careful you are with them.. And if you store the album protective in the back sleeved you don't hurt the album when stored and you don't get ring wear on the album.. If you leave the album inside the cover and have too much pressure when you store them together you get ring wear.. Storing your records your way is fine if you just listen to your albums and you don't care what the sleeves look like.. But collectors store them the way the video says to protect the records and the sleeves.. Which in turn protects their value.. And you only get pressure damage if you store them too tightly together which you shouldn't do anyway
Agree Todd,get pressure damage the other way..😁,But I do put Japanese and some US pressing behind the cover.
Honestly I find it easier to store the record jacket with the record outside for easier access when listening. I feel like if you store your records correctly without having them pressed tightly together, you’re unlikely to get much wear on the jacket itself if any.
Just don't stuff all your records tightly together? Ringwear and warping is still an issue to your jackets and vinyl regardless if your record is inside or outside the jacket
I agree with you exactly. No crammed sleeves, easy access to everything
Hate those stupid gatefold condom sleeves. Just take the record and covers out to look at them
Monster tip here, brother. I have been battling the crappy dust cover bunching for quite a while. Great stuff!
I love the dual pocket sleeves and I put every vinyl I have in them and I keep extras on hand for when I get new ones
If you're after easy, no hassle , no nonsense then listen to Spotify! I keep my records in the jacket, to me that's the traditional way! I honestly don't get the whole idea that it's so much quicker storing them at the back, playing records isn't supposed to be about speed it's a tactile experience. The jackets main job is to protect the record, it does a much better job of that with the record inside it. It seems maintaining the condition of the cover is far more important than looking after the vinyl these days. As unlikely as you may be to drop a record or drop some thing on a record, I'd much prefer it to have as much protection as possible from the very "device" that was designed to provide it.
All fair points, Andy. Everyone's gotta do what works best for themselves, absolutely.
Frank
thumbs up for vinyl copy of Your Filthy Little Mouth in back. I love that record got it on vinyl as well back in my VH/Dave collecting days. You’re braver than me though, I never even picked up Diamond Dave on CD much less that new vinyl that was released.
Great video Frank as usual again. I'm beginning to store my records the last way you mentioned. Vinyl Storage Solutions actually had a nice sale on this weekend so I placed another order for more inner and outer sleeves as well as some record dividers. I've been searching for some inexpensive ones for a while now. While these ones are not cheap the sale made them a deal.
Keep on spinning Frank 👍
Frank, I put my LPs into upgraded inner sleeves if they don't come in them. These go back in the jacket. I want the jacket to provide protection to the LP. I put them in outer sleeves with the opening at the spine. This is the best way I found to keep dust out and not have any issues with the outer sleeve slipping as I insert into it’s shelf spot. All my albums are arranged in the order they are listed in my Discogs database.
I house mine 'traditional' but with the opening at the top, and use crystal clear Blake sleeves which make the art pop. This solves the slip issue you demonstrated, but I still keep everything inside the LP jacket so that I can see the rear cover without removing the record. I use round botter inner sleeves, but I imagine if I had square bottom ones like yours I would do what you do.
Vinyl Storage solutions are awesome his solutions work perfectly the gatefold is awesome Ive had 2 deliveries now down here in Australia and I can't fault the quality or the service.
I don't need quick access to my records (I don't really listen to the same record over and over), I don't use outer sleeves sideways (I use resealable sleeves and put them in with the opening at the top), and I like to see the back of the jacket. Overall, I just think it looks bad and I have no use for it. I'm glad you're into it though!
Not for me, Frank. As far as I'm concerned the cover is to protect the record. A thin layer of plastic doesn't offer any protection. I get that the cover would get scuffed up over time through use, but I'm willing to have that rather than the record itself being damaged.
So, I just keep the record in its inner sleeve with the opening at the top, in its cover, in a plastic sleeve with the opening at the top.
It's all about protecting the record from dust and any damage.
Cheers - Hedley
Tried and true... you gotta do what works for you.
Plus, it makes the record fatter which takes up more room--and you don't get to see the back artwork at a glance, which kills the fun for me.
As I store on shelves versus bins, I like the sleeve opening up top to eliminate the slipping off as you demonstrated. I do like the VSS double
Pocket sleeves for their clarity and the additional pocket. Now I just need to make time to clean and sleeve all of my vinyl. #SetGoals
Big Fudge inner anti-static sleeve for the vinyl which resides outside the back of the outer all in a 3mil Japanese resealable outer.
For those criticizing this method that it does not support the vinyl, it actually really does the same thing because there's another cover from another album right in front of it on my shelves. Literally the same amount of support for the vinyl...it saves the outer from unnecessary wear.
Also, dividers every 4-6 inches for support across the collection.
Funny from the day I started using outer plastic sleeves on some stuff I never even thought of matching opening. Alway's put opening at top. I figured less dust could get inside the jacket too. I have quite q few RCA Living Stereo LP's that were my Gramp's that he got when he got RCA's first stereo console. Around 1958. They spent most of their lives in a paper sleeve in the jacket, no outer plastic and the ones that weren't played to death still sound like NEW.
I use 12 5/8 clear plastic sleeves for single albums and small gatefolds. For double albums and larger gatefolds I use 12 15/16 plastic sleeves. I also remove the record from its original printed inner sleeve, place it in a new inner and store it between the cover and outer clear plastic sleeve. It’s nice when the vinyl record company prints a two sided lyric/information sheet and sends the vinyl in one of those rice paper/clear inners.
I also load it from the top. I keep everything inside the jacket so I can get a visual of the front and back of the album.
I use two outer sleeves. First one goes on with opening facing away from the spine, then the second goes over that with opening facing up. Allows the record plus inner sleeve to slide in behind the jacket between outer sleeve layers.
I store my records the same way. I never understood how people can deal with the sleeve constantly coming off the other way. I also like not putting the wear and tear on the jacket by constantly pulling them in and out of the jacket itself. Great video Frank! Keep up the good work!
@4:25 regarding the Kiss record example. Buy bigger polythene outer sleeves. And whenever it is a gatefold sleeve, I put one record in the middle, and one in the back.
Only thing I do differenly is turn the record protector sleeve sideways so record will not spill out of the top. It requires another step to remove the record, maybe some dust protection also.
Also, no substitute for the Kallax. So versatile. I use the 4 x 4, 4 x 2, and 4 x1--you can stack on top to expand inventory when needed, too.
I kind of do it this way too, though I started a while ago only to use gatefold outer sleeves, even for non-gatefold jackets and single record albums. Then the one "pocket" of the gatefold sleeve is used for the jacket, the other for the record and if there's lyrics on the original inner sleeve it goes there as well. Otherwise the original inner sleeve goes back into the jacket empty
Interesting way of doing it. I never thought of this.
Oh my god! You just made my day!! Now I have to go home and re-sleve al my records…
Personally i use a record sleeve that closes with a resealable adhesive fold over tab so that way i can store it traditionally and the record sleeve wont slide. To get my records out i just open the tab and its completely dust free! Also use the mofi or happy record inner sleeve for my records keeping them nice and clean!🤙🏼
I've got some like that if they are hard to stuff in sleeve or if the sleeve is split but I prefer it the "normal" way so you can see the track list without pulling the record
I generally do this. I either use an outer sleeve where I can or need it, otherwise I just leave the shrink wrap, then bung the inner sleeve outside the cover but within the outer sleeve. And I've done this for years and it absolutely saves a few things. It keeps inadvertent scratches down (I also use a vaccum cleaner - an Okki Nokki) and it stop wear and tear on the sleeve.
Basically, I find it to be easy to access and easy to keep things pristine as you can and easily so.
I use the Vinyl Storage Solution double pocket resealables. I then place my record into rice paper, put the record into a plain white record cover, then place the record into the back pocket of the Vinyl Storage Solution outer sleeve. This way I can clearly see the record cover without ever having to touch it again, while the record itself is doubly protected. I also use Sleeve City's Ultimate Inner Sleeve, which are easily the best rice paper sleeves on the market. None other comes close.
Great video as always Frank. After seeing the sealable dual pocket sleeves from VSS, I have been changing my collection over. He owes you some free product from all the business you threw his way....lol. I haven't seen anything I like for my gatefolds. Thanks for sharing and keep on spinnin....
A couple notes Frank:
It’s top load or top loading
Black is all colors
Lastly, sleeve me alone!! Haha😀 ☮️
I'll learn this trip from you about 4 years ago and that's how I store all my albums... It does make it super easier! Now I do have about one crate of Records maybe more better not slaved anyway because the covers were beat up anyway because I'm not sure when I keep the albums...lol. Great video Frank
Makes sense, Rod. Not every album needs a sleeve. I have some beat up ones as well.
According to schoolboy science dust and dirt, the traditional scourge of vinyl records and the very substances we are using a vinyl cover as protection against, will fall vertically, straight into the upwards facing opening and into the pocket now formed by the plastic covering sleeve. Cold, hard fact. Just rotate the vinyl cover on the sleeve 180 degrees from the traditional position (or 90 degrees anti-clockwise from where you have it)and you have, in combination with the jacket spline, an almost hermetic seal that won't slide off when inserting records onto your shelf. Perfect. Granted. you have extra effort to remove the sleeve to access the record but that's cheaper than a gym membership
"straight into the upwards facing opening and into the pocket " Hence why I rotate it so that no dust comes in (I mean the inner with the record - rotated 90 degrees). No need to do it cumbersome like you do.
I use crates to get that record store flipping feel when I’m looking for something to listen to and I see the art instead of spines on a shelf. Because of how I flip through them and how they have a little bit of a lean in the crates, I keep my records inside the static sleeves inside of the album jacket, to keep the record protected while flipping through them and to also keep the jackets from getting crushed. I just pull the outer sleeve off and put it back on sideways so I can slide the records out of the jacket. Those nice paper backed inner sleeves allow them to slide in and out pretty smoothly
I bought a "bulk lot" of Mo-fi sleeves for my entire collection, use the vertical outer sleeve method and use an anti-friction treatment on my records.
I had the exact same issue and came up with the exact same solution. Great video man... been following you since 2015.
2015!!!! Wow!!! Thanks for sticking around!
I love the sleeves from VSS....great episode Frank. All the best and be safe.
Thanks, you too!
Have been enjoying records since the 70’s and never used outer sleeves. I find storage or lack there of or mis-treatment is the biggest cause of wear and tear not lack of an outer sleeve.
Unless you wash your hands everytime you touch the sleeve you are getting oils and dirt from your hands that are wearing on your sleeves.. If you don't collect records and just listen to them or doesn't matter but having the least amount wear to the sleeve is part of the value of the record.. To keep the value you must protect the sleeve
I do it the traditional way. Yes, the sleeve CAN slide off, sometimes but, I usually prevent that by sliding out (just an inch or 3) several albums next to the one I'm looking for, partly so I know where it goes when I want to put it back in and partly because, if I put the one record back in, I'll see to it that all the others next to it get squared up to it and they all get pushed back in at the same time as if they are all one record and that stops at least 99% of the sleeve from coming back out. If it DOES come back out just a tiny bit, pull a couple next to it back out about 2", even them all up and push them all in at the same time. Holding them fairly tightly at the top and bottom corners at the same time as you push them in can help, too.
As for the single pocket double album cover, get a couple pieces of 12 x 12 chipboard (preferably acid-free) to put into the cover so you CAN'T crush it. Or, if you have access to those white or black dividers they use in record store shelves, trim those down to 12 x 12 and use them instead of the chipboard. Maybe even just an ordinary piece of corrugated cardboard would do the trick.
After decades I got rid of all plastic sleeves and have never been happier.
Agreed - I've done the same. I don't eat breakfast around my music, or use the cardboard jackets as cutting boards, or any other ridiculous actions that cause damage so I'm not sure what the plastic sleeve is protecting against. And the slightly larger sized outer sleeves look much sloppier than an uncovered jacket. I'm happy with this style of record management.
I adopted the record behind the sleeve since you randomly mentioned it on another video, it’s the best. I store the inner sleeves opening to the side though. I found outer sleeves on german amazon that are big enough to accommodate a two disc album, but i have two three disc albums that i did not find a solution yet.
If you're using Vinyl Storage Solutions sealable sleeves, why don't you seal the sleeve at the end with the jacket hole. This has a few advantages 1) if you need to get into the jacket for whatever reason you can, 2) you don't have a seam on the spine so it's much easier to read said spine when it's on a shelf, 3) it puts the opening of the 2nd pocket at the side instead of the top so you can put the vinyl into the 2nd pocket with the inner sleeve at a different angle from the outer sleeve hole which helps prevent dust from getting in.
Haha, great minds think alike! 😅
I too used to put the jacket into the outer sleeve, with both openings at the side, where the record slides in & out of, but quickly ran into the same issue, where the outer sleeve started to come off every time I pulled an album back off the shelf. Now I keep it with the opening at the top, like you do. 👍
However, I really don't care for storing the record on the back of the sleeve like that, as it starts to eat up extra space and I'm not able to squeeze as many records on to a shelf. Though it's a pain in the arse sometimes, having to pull everything out just to get the record, I still keep it inside the jacket, like how it came. It's all part of the ritual for me, I suppose. 😄
Yeah, that's the downside... it definitely takes up more room this way.
I started buying records over 40+ years ago. I always used a clear outer sleeve. You could only get much thicker sleeves in the old days and they never slid off. They're still available but admittedly at a premium price compared to the very thin ones.
That's the PVC outers. You shouldn't use those.
I store mine, sleeved, with the opening pointing up. No issue with sleeves sliding off that way, although a bit of dust can get on top portion of the record packaging. These gatefold sleeves are awesome, but just pricey.
My record shelves are similar to yours and the outer poly always does that! So annoying! I am going to start storing mine like this with the opening on top, etc. It'll be a fantastic change! Thx!
The way i do it, for new records, I store the vinyl in a mofi sleeve & then inside jacket. For older records that can have dust n stuff inside the jacket I place it in MOFI sleeve outside of the jacket (then if it had an original sleeve, I keep it inside the jacket).
I'm a traditionalist. It seems to be that the record jacket was designed to protect the vinyl. So why not avail ourselves of that protection? I know that the sharp edge I have a record-store style display / storage bin, and so the outer sleeve slipping off is a non-issue. In fact I insert the inner sleeve opening up, and then the protective cover over the jacket with the opening opposite of the jacket opening (but NOT facing up) as I discovered with my record rack, dust can land on the top of the records. My housecleaner comes through once per week and briefly dusts the top side of the collection so it stays pretty dust-free, but it's probably still best to keep the opening pointing horizontally.
Great video Frank. I just order some more sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions. I use the dual pocket type. As a matter of fact I just ordered some more. I a pinch, I also have the MoFi outer sleeves also.
In storing the 'traditional' way, I fixed my sleeve bunching problem. Don't push the them in by the spine, just hold the leading edge of the jacket and sleeve and pull it into place. You just need to leave enough room on the shelf to fit one hand between the records.
Ring wear is caused by packing your records too tightly next to one another. Store your records with enough space between each other to breathe and you will never have to worry about a ring on the record jacket.
I do this too! Much more convenient, especially for albums that have multiple LP's
I agree!
I totally see why you store your records that way, but I would turn the inner sleeve/record so that the opening is to the side. Having both the inner and outer sleeve openings at the top means dust can get to the vinyl more easily. Personally I don’t like the excess outer sleeve at the top of the record. I have the outer sleeve opening to the side, with the inner sleeve opening pointed Up. But then again, my records are stored in a record store type LP bin, so I don’t have the issue of the outer sleeve sliding off.
Thats how ive done my collection, so therefore, you are correct.
Also wondered about this myself 😁👍
Love that Black Sabbath and Bohren album ❤❤
Aloha Frank,
Thanks for sharing how you use your vinyl protector sleeves And the reasons behind them.
I also do the same that way I don't have ring wear on my jackets & definitely easy access and those rice paper sleeves really are great.
I used to purchase mofi brand sleeves, but I found that Hudson, has their own and they're very inexpensive if you buy them in bulk. I need to check out that double compartment sleeve your showing, as for my outer sleeves used to used 3 mil sleeves not when I can get them I'll buy 4 mil outer sleeves.
Thanks again Frank for another interesting video.
Looking forward to seeing your next video.
Mahalo Ed
I just like to have the vinyl in the sleeve, I know the outer sleeve and inner sleeves will protect the record while it’s stored outside the jacket but I still prefer to have it inside.I’m also squeezed for storage space so every inch helps. 😂
this is also how i do it based on my own trial and error. the only difference is i have the vinyl inner sleeve faceing sideways (so the arrows are pointing to the left, not straight up), i have had vinyl fall out of the inner sleeve by accident a few times. this helps prevent that. thanks!