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Shooting anamorphic video is something that I'm sure most of us have wanted to dip our toes into. It gives such a cinematic shooting experience that most people fall in love with instantly.
I've shot with a few anamorphic lenses now on my Lumix S5 and S5ii, and there's a particular lens I'd definitely recommend as the best one to get started with if you're just getting into anamorphic.
The world of anamorphic shooting gets very expensive very quickly, so it's great to see brands like Sirui really pushing for more affordable options in this space.
Most people on UA-cam have tried and raved about the Sirui 50mm T2.9 Full Frame anamorphic lens, and I absolutely love it as well, but I think this lens (the Sirui 35mm F1.8 S35) would be the one I'd personally opt for out of the two.
There's still so many pluses to shooting S35 for anamorphic video, and those pro's definitely outweigh the cons for me.
What do you guys think? Do you agree that S35 is actually better for anamorphic shooting?
Hello dear, what is for you a good choise for an EF Mount ? we have a BlackMagic Pocket 6K Pro and we want to buy a good Anamorphic lens, what could be your suggestion?
@@iamamapendo Sirui make EF mount versions of many anamorphic lenses, you should check out their site :)
I don’t! 😭
You didn't make the case to me. Too much ll-informed nonsense. You need to go to Lens School.
The S35 v FF "debate" doesn't really bother me as I shoot on both - but if I were investing in anamorphic glass I'd probably go for a stronger squeeze factor just so I could go wild with the anamorphic look. BUT selling that look to a client is also tricky so they'd get used less often for professional work, so less likely to buy a set and more likely to rent...
Selling the anamorphic look usually means finding a project that won't need cropping on socials(!) So maybe shooting on a 1.33x squeeze lens is an easier way of compromising to get some of that anamorphic magic whilst not going too wild on the delivery aspect ratio. Do you think you'd use this lens on a professional project?
Also - I've been using the phantom LUTs with my Komodo and didn't realise they were available for LUMIX - your sample footage looks so creamy and lush, will have to try them out, good work!
As an absolute (and unsponsored aside :) ) The only thing that is better than Josh's ability to shoot phenomenal quality footage, share professional, and honest insights, as well as totally useable knowledge, is his personality. I had he absolute privilege to meet Josh when came to visit "family" in South Africa last year. What a genuine, open-hearted. caring gentleman. #LoveAtFirstSite :)
This is so nice, thanks so much Craig! Can't wait to come out and see you all again this December :) I'll have to get you a camera so you can follow along with the vids ;D
you're the first person I've seen who actually easily explains the equivalent mm in apsc anamorphic vs full frame, thank you!
also, only 12ms rolling shutter on the gh6 😆 m43 ftw haha
It's so hard to get the equiv's from the manufacturer's website too! So most of the time I feel like we're left in the dark unless we actually do the maths/tests ourselves!
Hahaha GH6 beats everything ;)
@@JoshCameron I’ll convert you one day 🤣
I bought an S5 for my real estate photography business ONLY because some people/companies won't hire me if I shoot with anything less than full frame. Previously, I had shot almost 2,000 homes with a GH4 or a G9 and never heard a complaint, only praise. I still use the G9 as a backup and for other things. Both cameras are tools, each with its own advantages and disadvantages.
Really informative video Josh. Thank you so much. I love the way you clarified the pros and cons of Super 35 vs Full Frame anamorphic lenses. The mist before my eyes in relation to shooting in anamorphic is begining to clear. Keep up the excellent work Josh. All the best, Any
The one main reason to get the full frame , and the reason is heavier and more expensive it’s because it’s a 1.6x squeeze, vs the APS-C which is 1.33x.
Yeah totally aware of that, I just think 1.66 is such a heavy squeeze that if you were to shoot any anamorphic sequences, you'd kinda need at least one more focal length with a 1.66x squeeze as well. At least with 1.33x you can kinda get away with slapping it in a timeline that has also been shot with regular spherical lenses too :)
Exactly. A 1.33x just isn't worth it to me. Need at lease 1.6x to get very noticeable anamorphic qualities IMO. I have no problem with S35 though, great format for video.
This, plus on the a7siii I have to be in full frame to be at 4k which I don’t mind doing a little side cropping on. Also the flares are not so overdone on the full frame versions. And if you use the adapter you get full 2x
Great video as always, so informative !
I don't think you lose light with aps-c crop. In my tests 12mm 2.8 mft lens will exposure the same as 24mm 2.8 ff lens. Otherwise good video about anamorphics 👍
Exactly!
Correct, the exposure remains the same from ff to aps-c.
Your effective FOV and DOF change. If you want a deeper DOF in low light there are actually advantages to aps-c, as you can maintain a higher DOF with a lower aperture setting. Its a glass half full sort of thing.
This is very informative and I really liked the example footage and cannot argue with it nor arguments you gave. Well done!
Thanks Charles, appreciate it!
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Great video Josh! Wonderful comparison & showreel!
Thanks guys! Did you notice that the footage looked a little better than usual.... Silver Diffusion 1/4 :D
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Great video mate, and very good point about the rolling shutter!
Although you don't lose light with crop sensors. The change in f-stop only applies to the depth of field.
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Ah I see, my mistake! Thanks for that dude :)
Dude, I am 100% with you.
Was loving the Sirui 35mm 1.8 on my GH5, so I instantly backed the S35 version for my L-Mount system. For sure the 35mm is the best lens of this lineup.
APS-C Crop was no problem for me, since I am shooting 4K 60p most of the time. The look of this lens is absolutely special and I love it! Furthermore I love to use it for video Calls.
I was using Great Joy FF anamorphic lenses with my S1H in 6k Open Gate, which is also very nice if you need that.
But as you said, there it is getting really heavy and I am starting to love minimalistic lightweight setups instead of heavyweight fully rigged.
Therefore I am about to swap my go to system (S1H + Sigma 24-70) to S5II + Sigma 28-70mm.
It is not a huge loss in quality but in weight and mobility for sure. Way better for gimbal work as well.
Maybe I will wait for the S5IIX because of SSD recording, which is the main reason for me using the Atomos Ninja V.
For sure I would love to see more of S35 Anamorphic lenses. :-)
BTW: I absolutely recommend using diopter filter with this lens. Not only because of the minimal focus distance, but for the look you will get with it. ;-)
Thanks for posting this Josh. I have just put my feet back in the creative world, Video primarily, but stills close behind. I have the S5iiX and 3 of the 5 Lumix f/1.8 Lenses, & the Lumix 20mm-60mm kit lens, plus looking at getting the Sigma 14mm f/1.4 and really liked the look of the Sirui 35mm 1.33x APS-C lens but was not sure of the compatibility with the Lumix FF body. As much as there may be an argument re 1.6x or 1.8x with FF Anamorphic lenses, I have been using a 1.33x on my iPhone 14 Pro Max (it needs some zoom, or post cropping to remove vignetting) but to be able to get footage with both and seamlessly split and marge footage is a huge bonus.
Good break down of cost vs benefits. Generally agree if you're just looking for video S35 lenses are typically a way better deal. Most of the benefits of full frame lenses are going to come in for photography or some really niche use cases in the video world. Not saying there's no reason to go for the full frame version, but if you need it you'll know, and if you're at that limit where you need it chances are the difference in price tag won't matter to you because someone else is picking up the bill.
It makes sense! Thanks, Josh! I actually shoot sony but the same principle applies!
Great vid Josh! Recently switched from the Sony A7S3 and joined the Lumix family! (S5II), your videos were super helpful to make the switch easier! I also just made a vid of why I switched haha, anyways, great vids, subbed to your channel!
Ah nice one dude! Will check out that vid - welcome to the cool club ;) thanks for watching mate and feel free to reach out if I can of any assistance!
Remember super 35 came about because they needed to store sound on the film strip and used that space for audio, losing space for the image. It's a byproduct of that.
I use this lens on my S5, and it’s nothing short of incredible. And actually for me, the lens flare is the least interesting part of the lens. It actually annoys me a little bit sometimes. :-) I just love the way the lens looks overall. Very special.
Glad you love yours dude :)
How good is it for handheld shooting? I have the S5 too
@@SakkiDuran I have a UA-cam video that I shot completely handheld, and everything was beautiful. No gimbal, no nothing. Just me and my S5. To me, if you are a good handheld shooter, it's fine. I generally shoot with vintage manual lenses anyway, so I'm used to not having extra stabilization or anything like that, as always, it's really up to the person more than the gear. But I would highly recommend it personally.
Hi, Josh love the content, question have you noticed the distortion Potato Jet has mentioned concerning the image appearing a little bit stretched or squeezed when the focus changes?
Great video!! I've been wanting to grab an anamorphic for my S5ii and this is an easy entry point that looks great! Hey would you be able to tell me a bit about your cage setup shown at 4:05?
HI, I do have the 35mm Sirui M43 mount, Can I change the mount to from M43 to L mount?
Although there are quite few final products these days I still put my money on Iscorama (pre or 36) and some old glass.
Ramas go under $3000 now, 1.42x squeeze with a dream like rendering. One can pair it with old Zeiss, Leica R even Leica M mount glass...
Great video! I wonder how many people are searching for used ones now after this
Josh, when it comes to aperture, T1.8, or T2.9, or f1.4 or whatever, the same amount of light is hitting the sensor regardless of size. The exposure values will be the same across all sensors. In terms of aperture, the only thing that changes from sensor size to sensor size is the depth of field.
I think what I said in this video was misunderstood as I worded it completely wrong, thanks for this!
Sirui are doing some very interesting things! Probably going going pick up the Saturn at some point.
Their lenses are definitely worth checking out, even if you don't use them every day. Just for the more stylistic look and for some interesting B-Roll etc!
Solid video Josh! I think you might have sold me on shooting S35 anamorphic. I'm just weighing up these Sirui lenses vs the Laowa Nanomorph 1.5x anamorphics. The Sirui lenses are definitely cheaper, but the Laowa's squeeze factor and PL/EF mount options are quite favourable.
I would love to try out the nanomorphs, heard some really good things about them :)
@@JoshCameron There's also talk of another S35 set coming from Sirui, similar to what they did with the MARS set for MFT. They've released one on Sony E mount and it's said to be coming to the L mount too.
Keep the great Lumix content coming! I have a question on the S5ii: How smooth is the playback of the codec on Davinci Resolve, if you are a DR user? Thanks, Josh!
I own a full set of LAOWA Nanomorphs. What is nice, is that it is possible to change mounts. Id be very interested in seeing how these small 1.5x aps-c work on the s5 ii or iix
I'm not buying any cine lenses anytime soon since I'm not that serious into film making (yet) but I think you did make a very compelling case and that footage looks absolutely sick.
Thank you!
Sirui 24mm f/2.8 Super35 Anamorphic 1.33x Lens (L Mount) - Hi, Did you try this lens on S5IIX?
I think that made my decision for me - the 50mm vs 35mm. Basically a standard FF 50mm vertical FOV coupled with the rough equivalent of a FF 35mm horizontal FOV. Works for me. I own the Panasonic 35mm f/1.8 and the 85mm f/1.8 and thought about the Sirui 50mm f/1.8 to fill that space in between, but really the 35mm kinda plays better.
I'm exactly on the same road. 35 plus 85 and looking for something in between. 50mm ff seems the best option
An I never used a anamorphic Lens but this Lens is so interesting ^^
I'm new to anamorphic lenses, does this lens have autofocus? also does the s5ii ibis work with them, I'm heavily considering getting this lens after your review!
Im using a Sony a6100 and I bought this lens came in yesterday I have a hard time using it and figuring out how to use it, do you maybe know any budget monitors that have d squeeze for Sony a6100? I just need help on how to use it, can you make in debth video on how to use it??
Great video mate. Apologies for saying this, but please use a de-esser for your lisp. It can be distracting.
It does come with 2 gear rings no? I have the lens for MFT and recently bought it with the L-mount. Just bought the Vlog update for my S1 because it also has anamorphic options but didn't install it yet. Looking at your footage, this lens is even too sharp sometimes in 4K so nothing to complain there.
Really appreciate the list of benefits… especially as I just step into anamorphic. Do you feel there is a difference in image quality between the lenses?
I'd say that they're quite similar in terms of overall sharpness, although I would say that you do get more pleasing bokeh with the FF bc of the 1.66x anamorphic squeeze instead of the 1.33x. I would say though that it's not worth spending over double the money for that :)
great points!! what about the laowa nanomorphs compared to the Sirui S35 lineup?
I haven't tested them but would love to :)
so the SIRUI 35mm F1.8 S35 Anamorphic Cinema Lens 1.33x S35 Series in the link is a fit for my new S5II? no adaptors or connectors?
People shitting on super 35 but going to watch the majority of movies ever made is quite hilarious. Its a fantastic format, idk where that elitism comes from. Great video, im thinking of getting a complete set or suiui anamorphics but the neutral flare ones.
Hey, do you still use the thanos-se and would you still recommend it? My setup is 4kg.
It’d be good to see a test of the Laowa Nanomorphs on the S5ii
Would love to try them out!
Did you find an issue of not being able to desqueeze in S5 camera with FF version and shoot in actual full frame at the same time? Am wondering if the only option is to have an external monitor desqueeze so you can shoot ff or what.
Can you give me the best settings I can tru with this lens the 35mm with the s5ii? Witch size / crop / 4K etc.. ?
Thanks for the recommendation, Josh! Are there any types of filter that are more\less suited to filming with an anamorphic lens?
Mist / Diffusion filters are excellent with anamorphic :) Check out Formatt Hitech filters - super high quality and give an incredible look
Would Sirui’s 24mm lens offer the same benefits for this camera? It’s also not full frame pretty sure
Would you want to get this as the L mount, or could you do the EF mount with the mc21 converter?
I have the aps c with m43 and Sony mount version can I adapt it to the L mount?
Thanks for sharing your review Josh! I'm a little confused by the S35 on the 35mm and the full frame on the 50mm. Is it share a screenshot comparing the FOV of both from a tripod looking at the same scene?
I would do, but I don't actually have the 50mm T2.9 to hand anymore. It's essentially due to the gained real estate on the sides of the frame when you desqueeze the footage :)
I have 35mm sirui for e mount and m43 but how can I mount on lumix s5ii
Can you advise me?
👌🏻thnx
How did you mount the MFT Lens to L Mount? Are there adapters?
But when you use aps-c lenses, you loose some resolution and slow motion options. That is why I "can't" use aps-c lenses on my S5.
Where did you hear this mate?
@@JoshCameron I did not hear. This was my experience with my S5 (and with Sigma 18-35 or Canon 10-18). This was the reason I sold my aps-c lenses, because I can't reach some 4K, FHD formats and some fps options, slow motions. These are inactive in the menu when I put aps-c lens to my camera.
Not just the crop. :(
Very true. I put the Sigma 18-35 on my S5 with the Sigma MC21 and slow motion automatically capped out at 60p.
@@raksh9... exactly!
I also had 18-35. Same story.
Hi brother ! Please tell me setings for filmmaking i no understand vlog or not vlog Panasonic s5 lumix
Great but one point miss..how shoot in slow motion with anamorphic on the S5x??
Is big the diference between this lense in aps-c or the same versión in a mft sensor (like a bmpcc4k) for anamorphic video what would you choose?
Well an APS-C crop is 1.5X and a Micro 4 Thirds Crop is 2X, so it'll be quite a large difference in FOV! Depends if you'd prefer something wider or not :)
Tilta's ''Seamless'' focus ring gears literaly cost 2$ USD on B&H.
josh what HDMI cables do you use?
I was curious what the coverage would look like when recording open gate. Maybe pointless, but might be interesting.
I dont shoot in anamophic mode. ITs weird 4:3 and i dont like crop to APSC and Atomos dont get right resolution. I love this lens but i hope it would be at leat T2.0
The rolling shutter on the SONY FX3 is 9ms and that is FF. Game over?
Do I need an adaptor to use it on my s5?
what is the minimum focus distance? :)
On sale at B and H right now for $399 ! Mine came with 2 focus gears , why are you using a universal?
Was the talking headshot in your room taken by the S5ii?
Beginner question: does it work on the Lumix G7? And if so, would you recommend this combination?
Youre better off with a Gh4 or Gh5, as both of those have an open gate option, which makes anamorphic better. With the G7 you will shoot 16:9 and then the lens will make the aspect ratio even wider than intended, and ultimately isnt really what its designed for. Youre also better off with a M43 native lens, as they actually have amazing deals on anamporphic.
Do you use "Anamorphic mode" in the S5ii with this lens?
I do indeed!
Well, there's some information in this video that is sort of wrong. F-stops or f-numbers never change no matter the size of the sensor. F-numbers are just the focal length divided by the size of the entrance pupil meaning it will never change no matter if it's paired with a APS-C, Micro 4/3 or even Medium Format sensor. What matters when it comes to the amount of light that can be captured by the sensor is the actual physical size of the sensor. A full frame sensor is bigger in size which means it has more and bigger photosites which is what actually absorbs the light so no matter if you have a f1.8 on both FF and APS-C the FF sensor will always be better in low light as it can absorb more light. T-stops and F-stops are NOT the same thing, a T1.8 and a F1.8 lens are totally different. T-stops refers to the amount of light that actually comes through the lens while F-stops only refers to the focal length divided by the entrance pupil. This means one f1.8 lens does not let in as much light as another f1.8 lens because they have different glass elements which let's in a different amount of light. A T1.8 lens will always let exactly as much light through as another T1.8 lens as T-stops takes the loss of light while it travels through the different internal glass elements of a lens into account. This is why T-stops are used in cinema and not F-stops as two F-stop lenses will never (unless they're the exact same make and model) have the same exposure no matter if they're set to the same F-stop or not. So without knowing the transmittance (transmittance refers to how much light a specific lens let through and what percentage of light is lost while traveling through that lens) of the f1.8 lens we cannot know it's T-stop so saying a F-stop lens isn't as fast another T-stop lens isn't accurate. It might be in this instance but we can't know that so we shouldn't say that.
I'm getting ready to delve into the world of anamorphic. The 35mm S35 seems like a solid choice, what focal length would you recommend pairing that with? Also do you have an affiliate link for these lenses?
the 35mm f1.8 is great since it'll give you close to that 35mm focal length even with the Super35 Crop :) Sure, here's the link! geni.us/WOd2h
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@@JoshCameron Thanks for the response! What second lens would you get as a compliment to the 35mm? Maybe the 50mm? Or longer?
How would this work on my S1H thank u
Does the anamorphic stabilazation on the s5ii work with this lens?
It does :)
What do you think about this lens? Laowa Nanomorph 35mm T2.4 Anamorphic
My take: You're still losing vertical FOV when shooting in APS-C so you are still losing real estate. Also I'd rather shoot open gate with a 1.6x lens to get the best image possible. And the new Sirui Saturn are now being made for L mount and they are tiny, 1.6x, neutral flare if you want, 58mm filter thread, and full frame. Yes it's more money but for me a much more interesting option with a more unique image.
Absolutely agree it is only a 1200 now. 1,33 is not noticeable, and what`s the point to have ff. It is better to invest more, and then charge you clients more.
Yep totally get where you're coming from dude. It all depends on whether you can find the use for the extra squeeze too. If someone truly wants to get deep into anamorphic then more squeeze is better :)
why always almost no footage of anamorphic 50mm with lumix S there theres some but not enough
wish to see more in future too :)
I wonder what the squeeze factor is when you add the sirui 1.25x adapter to this
Well... do the math: 1,33 x 1,25 = 1,66 - you're welcome! ;-)
Wich mount Lumix SII to anamorphic lens L or MFT ?
The lens is L-Mount, and the camera is L-Mount :)
Results look good, but to my eye, footage kinda looks like a spherical lens with a bloom filter on the front. It doesn’t really have that “anamorphic” look. Probably best used at night with bright lights around to get the flares.
How are you finding the phantom luts josh? I absolutely love using them
Yeah they're awesome dude! A great collection of LUTs that actually work!
@@JoshCameron I find as long as I nail my exposure I barely have to do any adjustments to them which speeds up my colour grading massively
Looks too clean and sharp with flares too defined for my taste, this lens although being anamorphic doesn't feel anamorphic. Great review !
What adapter was used to put this mft lens on a fullframe s5ii?
None it's a 35mm lens
@@granth1332 no, it's a apsc lens but found out Sirui has been making L mount versions more recently. Before you had to send in the mft mount lenses and had to get them adjusted to L due to the flange difference.
josh, i have an s5 and starting to do timelapses.
i have the kit lens 20-60 and a 50mm f1.8
what wide angle lens would you recommend that will be good for astro - sigma 14mm or lumix 18mm ?
I'm trying to do extensive research on Anamorphic lenses and Is very disappointed in not finding anything that can fit the pocket 6k pro or EF mounts. WTF.
What’s about the sharpness of the lens?
Sharpness is decent, it's a budget anamorphic so I wasn't going to compare sharpness to some of the higher end primes I have, but it's the look that it gives you that makes it worthwhile :)
1.33x vs 1.6x is quite a good jump tho. Still prefer the look of the FF version
Agreed, 1.66x is defo more 'anamorphic' as they say, but if you were looking to splice the footage in with regular spherical lenses than 1.33x is more forgiving :)
Wait, Hollywood still shoots in super 35?
Yeah for the most part! Super 35 is a lot more common for cinema than full frame :)
what is it with people trashing on super35/apsc? its been the industry standard longer than full frame
24 or 35? straggling with it
35 IMO :)
35mm super 35 it's 50mm equivalent?
Not on the wide end :) It changes with anamorphic :)
1.5x minimum
More squeeze is always better for the anamorphic look! But for $600, I think 1.33x is a nice flavour :)
you keep triggering my Iphone every time you say Sirui
😂😂😂
Does this man love to hear himself talk 😂 show us more test footage, cmon now...
Looks weak, far away from old original anamorphic adapters as kowa,sankor etc 🥱😃
WHAT THE ACTUAL F..? You are not losing ANY light hitting the sensor when you shoot S35 Vs FullFrame. You just lose visual (not actual) depth of field relatively to FOV difference with the same lens put on FF. Now I understand all the guys around FF... People just don't know a sh*t. 🫠