This Horrible Show is Finally Over

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  • @TheRandomEpicVideos
    @TheRandomEpicVideos Рік тому +43257

    Don't cry because it happened.
    Smile because it's over.

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому +64

      okay but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +32

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @PXL_DnKEE
      @PXL_DnKEE Рік тому +282

      Very true words

    • @cooliostarstache5474
      @cooliostarstache5474 Рік тому +215

      Words to live by

    • @dude6074
      @dude6074 Рік тому +45

      ​​​@@MbitaChiziI Believe in you😊
      (I'm tired of people telling me it's a bot I realized the 2 seconds after writing this but I'm too lazy to delete it)

  • @rebellyanmagic6409
    @rebellyanmagic6409 Рік тому +6084

    Based on some BTS pictures and info I've gleaned, the show was originally about Jocelyn being a Disney TV-esque teen idol trying to transition to being an adult pop star, and her story was basically a mixture of what happened with Britney Spears and Hannah Montana. It was supposed to be commentary on how the media treats young famous girls, especially how Hollywood preys on them on a systemic level. And them Levinson got his cum-riddled hands all over the project

    • @mcwildstyle9106
      @mcwildstyle9106 Рік тому +704

      Now I wonder what the show would be like if Amy (the previous director) stayed

    • @maninanikittycat4238
      @maninanikittycat4238 Рік тому +391

      Honestly I would rather see that then what we got

    • @tanithalakai4538
      @tanithalakai4538 Рік тому +560

      Gee I wonder why they wouldn't want a show exploring that topic to be made.

    • @Daiacos
      @Daiacos Рік тому +100

      so american perfect blue but bad

    • @deaddegenerategeneration7441
      @deaddegenerategeneration7441 Рік тому +300

      And then he proved Hollywood is that lmao

  • @kindofanmol
    @kindofanmol Рік тому +14762

    Fun Fact: TheWeeknd didn't "sign up" for his pre-written role. Him and the director CO-WROTE THIS SHOW. Both are equally responsible for this absolute catastrophical mess.

    • @Angel_Auraa
      @Angel_Auraa Рік тому +1825

      It’s weird bc I was a huge fan of the Weeknd but this show seems to be written by someone who’s never touched a woman before

    • @eternity3822
      @eternity3822 Рік тому +153

      Show is about Selena gomez

    • @fossilrexjaw6473
      @fossilrexjaw6473 Рік тому +42

      Sounds about right

    • @Angel_Auraa
      @Angel_Auraa Рік тому +506

      @@eternity3822 It isn’t. It’s loosely based on Britney Spears. Selena Gomez isn’t really a singer. She’s more of an actress. And she’s never had a public breakdown. She’s also not heavily sexualized. They said it themselves, it’s about Britney.

    • @animefood0818
      @animefood0818 Рік тому +180

      @@Angel_Auraashe’s both

  • @ANDR3alfaro
    @ANDR3alfaro Рік тому +4417

    The existence of this show is the proof we have that all the real writers are all on strike

    • @BlairAnsor
      @BlairAnsor Рік тому +43

      The script was written for the show. Years ago. Shows don’t get written, produced, filmed and edited in less then 3 months 🙃

    • @jaydes4860
      @jaydes4860 Рік тому +171

      @@BlairAnsor The original version was not the Sam Levinson and the Weekend version. They co wrote it together way more recently.

    • @BlairAnsor
      @BlairAnsor Рік тому +8

      @@jaydes4860 I know that, even with the script changes. What I said still holds

    • @kzyrt
      @kzyrt Рік тому +79

      ​@@BlairAnsor majority of the script was changed by the new director and by the weekend, for the worst.
      They rewrote the script...

    • @kzyrt
      @kzyrt Рік тому +8

      ​@@BlairAnsor🙃

  • @PaintingWinterMusic
    @PaintingWinterMusic Рік тому +12407

    You always know a show is gonna be bad when it only exists to show off the actors, and the storyline is just an added spice.

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому +2

      i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @PaintingWinterMusic
      @PaintingWinterMusic Рік тому +90

      And its secondary purpose is just to rake in some easy cash lol
      ALSO shameless plug, I'm hoping some of you might like the music I make too :)

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +7

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @jackryderproductions1030
      @jackryderproductions1030 Рік тому +92

      ​@@PaintingWinterMusichonestly a porno would of made more money. Does the same thing. Minimal story, story is forgotten and sex/nudity.

    • @garfieldfan925
      @garfieldfan925 Рік тому +14

      My videos are worse than Charlie’s videos

  • @TestAcct46
    @TestAcct46 Рік тому +6153

    I get the feeling the show's creator is one of those guys where if you asked him "why don't you just make porn" he'd reply. "I don't make porn like some degenerate. I make ART."

    • @shiannafoxx
      @shiannafoxx Рік тому +341

      Please that’s so accurate 💀💀

    • @sora1498
      @sora1498 Рік тому +54

      thats such a good read

    • @Ellzyboy
      @Ellzyboy Рік тому +46

      Most porn is made by his people already.

    • @chukyuniqul
      @chukyuniqul Рік тому +177

      Wait till he learns that most porn requires artistry because making sex look good isn't exactly easy.

    • @Ellzyboy
      @Ellzyboy Рік тому

      @@chukyuniqul wait till he learns most porn is made by Jews

  • @gut853
    @gut853 Рік тому +6204

    The way they really tried to spin it that Jocelyn was the one in control after treating her like an animal the entire series is more insulting than anything

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +425

      Yeah thats something I still don’t quite understand. Why go through the trouble of showing Jocelyn as this mentally unwell, traumatized and broken girl just to turn around and change the cannon in one episode (6 weeks). You have to build up to something like that lol

    • @gut853
      @gut853 Рік тому +327

      @@CrystalRose1111 I swear they only did it because everyone was ripping Sam and The Weeknd up for being the worst kind of misogynist, so they thought "oh shit! We better draft some feminism angle for the finale in 30 minutes!" And that's why the episode is so confusing

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +236

      @@gut853 Abel (the Weeknd) threw out the old script that had 6 episodes and was written by a woman, and just injected his take on it. That’s why there’s only 5. I actually listen to The Weeknd’s music and the whole show just sounds like his last album. All that “I’m a bad man I’m a terrible guy” shit felt familiar lmao

    • @rifath8152
      @rifath8152 Рік тому +51

      @@gut853 that's not how tv productions work lmao. They shoot an entire season in a single production, not on a weekly basis

    • @seekittycat
      @seekittycat Рік тому +163

      If this show was a commentary about the music industry then they really went "Sure we exploited our vulnerable underaged talent with cult tactics, but in reality they were they ones exploiting us 😭🥺."

  • @bornofstardust5910
    @bornofstardust5910 Рік тому +3277

    The fact that she's bragging about the show on her social media shows you how manipulative Hollywood is. Used her to get her clothes off and convinced her she was making something groundbreaking just so they can bust nuts.

    • @mumbullz3480
      @mumbullz3480 Рік тому +139

      Exactly my sentiment about this show ,Charlie kinda missed the angle with Lily Depp and prepping her to be a train wreck

    • @diahreea2022
      @diahreea2022 Рік тому +49

      Why are you acting like she 5 years old and can't make her own decisions?

    • @ranniwolves
      @ranniwolves Рік тому +433

      @@diahreea2022because she has grown up in hollywood and obviously been groomed to think this is okay

    • @megaham1552
      @megaham1552 Рік тому +25

      Of course she was going to promote the show what did you expect?

    • @diahreea2022
      @diahreea2022 Рік тому +28

      @@ranniwolves there's thousands of people who grew up in Hollywood who aren't doing this

  • @congruentcrib
    @congruentcrib Рік тому +3379

    Just trying to imagine *The Truman Show* ending with Christof just being “the real world is ugly out there… nothing bad happens here, it’s all about you” and Truman just sitting for a second and goes “Yea… you’re right” then just sails back home.

    • @islandboy9381
      @islandboy9381 Рік тому +219

      You know what's sad is some of these writers would choose that and glorify it.

    • @NigerianCrusader
      @NigerianCrusader Рік тому +8

      VICE CITY IS STILL BETTER

    • @NigerianCrusader
      @NigerianCrusader Рік тому +7

      @@islandboy9381 TOMMY VERCETTI IS A BETTER WRITER

    • @ReaperCH90
      @ReaperCH90 Рік тому +4

      Great choice of a pfp

    • @NigerianCrusader
      @NigerianCrusader Рік тому +4

      @@ReaperCH90 why NOT A VICE CITY PFP

  • @Eurobeat_fan
    @Eurobeat_fan Рік тому +15017

    Hey man don't compare this show to tumblr fan fiction, at least some tumblr fan fiction has passion and effort put into it

    • @paranoidleviathan3016
      @paranoidleviathan3016 Рік тому +1659

      Shit at least Tumblr fanfic realizes the evil boyfriend needs at least ONE humane quality so he isn't a walking clown the entire time.

    • @Hauntaku
      @Hauntaku Рік тому +410

      My kind of Tumblr fanfiction is just wholesome cottagecore ships.

    • @palladiamorsdeus
      @palladiamorsdeus Рік тому +174

      SOME Tumblr fanfics. The rest are just low effort self insertions.

    • @AntiSociableWallflower
      @AntiSociableWallflower Рік тому +53

      To be fair, he said erotic fan fiction. Don't defend that crap.

    • @m4jima
      @m4jima Рік тому +223

      @@palladiamorsdeushey!!! Self inserts are way better than whatever the hell the weeknd was doing

  • @itsmorganayouswit
    @itsmorganayouswit Рік тому +2172

    Looking at Levinson's recent works, I genuinely believe he just gets off on shows that portray seemingly underage girls naked and extremely sexualized.
    Someones gotta look into this dude.

    • @spoiledsalad1851
      @spoiledsalad1851 Рік тому +158

      That’s what I’ve been saying since Euphoria

    • @SonicTheo
      @SonicTheo Рік тому

      Then why don’t you look into him? Call the cops. Bring the militia with you. Or you know murder him bc you suspect it

    • @billygoodmeme7635
      @billygoodmeme7635 Рік тому +18

      Last name checks out

    • @TNT-dn9es
      @TNT-dn9es Рік тому +32

      @@spoiledsalad1851 oh, he directed that too. Makes sense, he might genuinely be a pervert.

    • @Castragroup
      @Castragroup Рік тому

      The peoblem is women like to be sex objects

  • @cleoc6698
    @cleoc6698 Рік тому +1005

    The wild thing about this show is that there was a female director who initially shot it and from what I can gather, it was a very different vibe with a lot more charter development. Something happened when she had almost finished filming which forced her to quit/ be fired from the project and Sam came in and reshot everything under his direction. I cannot agree more with you that this was shot as literally a barely legal almost porn for Sam's enjoyment. I think part of what he really gets off on is manipulating these "actors" to perform in this twisted shit by calling it art and by "fooling" the public to see it the same way. I promise you, Sam Levinson probably has the most disturbing dark life hiding inside him and one of these days it's all going to come spilling out and everyone will be horrified.

    • @BlairAnsor
      @BlairAnsor Рік тому +18

      Literally

    • @cleoc6698
      @cleoc6698 Рік тому +59

      @@BlairAnsor I cannot even begin to comprehend what sick shit is in his head. I have watched some really fucked up cinema in my time but it has never felt as autoerotic from the directional point as this.

    • @swagy_gaming4745
      @swagy_gaming4745 Рік тому +2

      @@cleoc6698 i haven't seen the show although im a fan of The Weeknd so since you're much more educated on the subject and you know how the series was shot do you think it was the weeknd's fault of this bad outcome or the directors? cuz many comments have said that abel and the director are at fault if you could answer that'd be great

    • @bigjalapeno7061
      @bigjalapeno7061 Рік тому +3

      That wouldn't be too surprising

    • @august6604
      @august6604 Рік тому +34

      @@swagy_gaming4745 after the original writer/director was fired, both levinson and the weeknd rewrote it

  • @selinakyle3426
    @selinakyle3426 Рік тому +3271

    I don’t even think Jocelyn ever wore a sweater or a full size shirt that didn’t have her nips protruding through like blades. It was just a weird fetish fantasy for these creators with some fake deep message.

    • @ddjsoyenby
      @ddjsoyenby Рік тому +142

      yeah........which kinda sucks cause lily is a pretty good actress.

    • @Tayl0r_
      @Tayl0r_ Рік тому +160

      She said she wanted to do that, and wanted more scenes like that.
      Which is fine by itself.
      However when the whole initial premise for this show (before Mr. Euphoria dood and Abel took over production/writing) is about how women or people in general are exploited by the industry, *unwillingly*, it is absolutely the dumbest and most tonedeaf response you could give.
      Not only that but it becomes apparent she did not take on the role for the right reasons imo.

    • @selinakyle3426
      @selinakyle3426 Рік тому +45

      @@Tayl0r_ oh definitely! I think they are all just too focused on the edginess. Like in the first episode when they bullied and locked that dude who was the intimacy coordinator because he was “too much”. I just think it’s funny that they try to give it a profound message. But it was really sloppy edgy soft core porn.

    • @Kintsugi23
      @Kintsugi23 Рік тому +38

      When they decided to retool their show about (supposedly) exploring women’s exploitation because it had “too much of a female perspective,” I knew exactly where this shit was going

    • @idunno1091
      @idunno1091 Рік тому +4

      i think they’re fake because in euphoria they said everything showing like that is fake silicone lookalike

  • @m4xw3ll75
    @m4xw3ll75 Рік тому +3235

    A plot twist is something that catches you off guard, not something that makes you confused and barely understand.

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +6

      Charlie inspires me. my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @m4xw3ll75
      @m4xw3ll75 Рік тому +71

      @@MbitaChizi homie I’m broke myself

    • @spike5499
      @spike5499 Рік тому +8

      ​@@m4xw3ll75 LMAO same

    • @normienormie9425
      @normienormie9425 Рік тому +16

      ​@@MbitaChiziAll I can manage is a cheeto and some lint.

    • @sakurahirawa
      @sakurahirawa Рік тому +7

      @@MbitaChiziwhy would they give you a better camera for UA-cam subs..?
      Is this a thing in family’s?

  • @KK-my6hw
    @KK-my6hw Рік тому +1828

    Charlie is giving me the experience of having a housewife that tells me about the soap operas I have never seen when I get home from work.

    • @freddie6307
      @freddie6307 Рік тому +62

      underrated comment lmfaooo 💀👌🏼

    • @felixisme
      @felixisme Рік тому +138

      Lmao my girlfriend calls his content drama for dudes

    • @FatYoshi619
      @FatYoshi619 Рік тому +26

      That's..... Very specific.

    • @FatYoshi619
      @FatYoshi619 Рік тому

      Ngl, the soap operas that your house-spouses watch are much more hilariously bad and interesting than these dogshit shows.

    • @Ougerosity598
      @Ougerosity598 Рік тому +27

      lol same. Charlie is best girl.

  • @poofpiff3195
    @poofpiff3195 Рік тому +233

    It’s the weeknds show, so he genuinely wrote/helped write his character. originally they had a women director but the weeknd fired her as he felt the show needed more of a man’s vision instead of a woman’s perspective lmao. then he recruited sam to help him finish the show

    • @troller2897
      @troller2897 Рік тому +25

      i liked weeknd music but it turnts out he is a creep who likes underage girls ?

    • @fieb7840
      @fieb7840 Рік тому +6

      @@troller2897wouldn’t be surprised

    • @ellecimz6618
      @ellecimz6618 Рік тому +2

      Ew

    • @microwave4928
      @microwave4928 4 місяці тому +1

      @@troller2897you can literally tell that from his music 😂

    • @shjilz
      @shjilz 3 місяці тому

      ​@@microwave4928I need specific examples because how the fuck

  • @andyb1653
    @andyb1653 Рік тому +3909

    What's truly horrifying is how quickly someone was able to defeat "Velma" in the great contest to make the worst TV show possible

    • @ibannash
      @ibannash Рік тому +175

      Personally, I still think Velma was worse. I could easily watch five episodes of this, but Velma couldn't get me to episode 3.

    • @swetaroy716
      @swetaroy716 Рік тому +123

      @@ibannashnahh, Velam to me just seemed cringe(didn’t watch it) but the idol made me feel sick.

    • @zavthe1371
      @zavthe1371 Рік тому +32

      this is not worse than velma

    • @zavthe1371
      @zavthe1371 Рік тому +20

      @@swetaroy716 you cant have an opinion if you didnt watch

    • @swetaroy716
      @swetaroy716 Рік тому +72

      @@zavthe1371 yeah cause it looked bad, but I am pretty sure Velma never had a scene where a guy beats a girl with a brush the same way her mother abused her with???

  • @piranha5506
    @piranha5506 Рік тому +2220

    Knowing Euporia, abandoning half-baked plot points is a staple of Sam Levinson's writing. Having no cohesion doesn't really mean that the show was cut short.

    • @theunbearablejuan
      @theunbearablejuan Рік тому +187

      Yeah, what ever happened to Rue owing money to that drug peddling lady? Or why was Jules missing for more than half of the show only to fall for Dominic Pike? Why did Fez's house turn into the opening scene of Sicario? Who spent so much money on a high school play? Did the school authorities approve it? Why was Nate's dad looking for transwomen in Scruff?
      So many questions, so little time.

    • @superjlk_9538
      @superjlk_9538 Рік тому +36

      @@theunbearablejuanthat musical episode was the best episode of the whole series though

    • @theunbearablejuan
      @theunbearablejuan Рік тому +34

      @@superjlk_9538 I think the special episodes are the best ones and they are nothing but well-crafted dialogue.

    • @anikagh
      @anikagh Рік тому +105

      This Sam levinson guy had terrible writing. Euphoria sucks too, just a bunch of sex and drugs, and teenagers

    • @hexagonproductions2019
      @hexagonproductions2019 Рік тому +1

      @@theunbearablejuanwell the last one isn’t particularly confusing, he’s a closet queer, that’s it.

  • @tunakimbap1
    @tunakimbap1 Рік тому +1689

    It pisses me off knowing that we'll NEVER get to see the original script from the original director before she was fired. Apparently the story was so good the editors said they couldn't put the pages down.
    And now we got the degen version of this.

    • @theepicchipmunk2011
      @theepicchipmunk2011 Рік тому +65

      Such a loss, why did they drop her?

    • @tunakimbap1
      @tunakimbap1 Рік тому +461

      @@theepicchipmunk2011 Basically namebrand. In HBO's eyes, Sam and the Weekend are more well-known compared to Amy Seimetz (The original female director for Idol before she got fired). So basically HBO fired the potential greatest show of all time just for popularity celeb names.

    • @tannerparks6030
      @tannerparks6030 Рік тому +49

      @@tunakimbap1 The Weeknd was part of the original show too though right? I read he's the one that's responsible for turning the show into this but maybe that's not accurate

    • @sierradougie8559
      @sierradougie8559 Рік тому +333

      @@tannerparks6030 Apparently The Weeknd felt the show's direction was leaning too much into the "female perspective" and suggested they overhaul the script/director etc.

    • @thrace_bot1012
      @thrace_bot1012 Рік тому +99

      @@tunakimbap1 "Potential greatest show of all time because someone maybe said something about another thing I never saw or read anything about" B there are Golden Retrievers less gullible than you

  • @noelsdrawings1547
    @noelsdrawings1547 Рік тому +588

    I actually think this is a victory for all of us. We all deserve a good night’s rest knowing that this show is officially over.

    • @bigjalapeno7061
      @bigjalapeno7061 Рік тому +3

      Maybe that's why I haven't been sleeping well

    • @Pekology
      @Pekology Рік тому +6

      Bro we though after Velma that there wouldn't be another terrible show like it.
      Have a good night's rest now cause there will be a another bad show coming soon.

    • @noelsdrawings1547
      @noelsdrawings1547 Рік тому +1

      @@Pekology NOOOO 😭😭

    • @icebatofvalikinRRBZ8
      @icebatofvalikinRRBZ8 8 місяців тому

      Just your opinon though, i'm sure some people enjoyed the show.

  • @fazzarfazzar1576
    @fazzarfazzar1576 Рік тому +2727

    The fact that The Weeknd did this and even defended it is crazy

    • @collinkeyser6827
      @collinkeyser6827 Рік тому +374

      It Looks Like He's Blinded By His Ego.

    • @stanclark8824
      @stanclark8824 Рік тому +179

      must be getting paid a whole lot for it. so he has to defend it.

    • @Halmir4126
      @Halmir4126 Рік тому +117

      Hes probably contractually obgligated to only praise it

    • @Nick-ht5yi
      @Nick-ht5yi Рік тому +168

      @@luvdiacetyl Bro played himself in one scene and now he thinks he is Oscar material

    • @parsa475
      @parsa475 Рік тому +140

      ​@TimChew10It has launched his acting career. Straight into the trash.

  • @internetgoat4831
    @internetgoat4831 Рік тому +901

    I also find it hilarious how a lot of articles and reviewers mentions Abel as the "Attempted Actor" starring in the Idol like they're telling him nah just go back to singing bruh 💀

    • @midgelionhart
      @midgelionhart Рік тому +9

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +1

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @theitfactorjameswheezer2852
      @theitfactorjameswheezer2852 Рік тому +34

      Lmfao Madonna at her worst is a better actor than Abel

    • @squishy3248
      @squishy3248 Рік тому +2

      @@theitfactorjameswheezer2852okay…and?

    • @fathergascoigne1457
      @fathergascoigne1457 Рік тому

      ​@@p-__

  • @dennispage2181
    @dennispage2181 Рік тому +3616

    "Having something to play his skin flute to"
    Charlie really understands how important colorful ways to describe certain activities are for top tier content. Always appreciated.

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому +1

      i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +1

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @krimorant
      @krimorant Рік тому +80

      i swear youtube comments are the biggest bots

    • @xanderrock98
      @xanderrock98 Рік тому +44

      ​@@krimorantyeah and youtube does jack shit about it

    • @pizzapizza759
      @pizzapizza759 Рік тому +1

      @@p-__ ayo what the

  • @Somebody9666
    @Somebody9666 Рік тому +419

    Just hearing about it makes me 100% believe the creators wanted to normalize staying in abusive relationships. That's the message i got from it at least. Because WHY stay with someone that's trying to manipulate, abuse and control you?

    • @lachlanchester8142
      @lachlanchester8142 Рік тому +2

      Not to normalise it, but to show that it does happen

    • @Somebody9666
      @Somebody9666 Рік тому +49

      @@lachlanchester8142 we already know it's happening... So why make a show where the victim stays? Why not have her character break free? See her escape? Because showing HOW to leave a partner like that can be very dangerous. So yes, they are normalizing abusive relationships imo. Nothing about this show are about building that spine, standing up for yourself! The main character effing forgive the abuser AGAIN. What message are they sending here??

    • @Somebody9666
      @Somebody9666 Рік тому +22

      @@lachlanchester8142 they are 100% justifying and normalizing these actions. Because we already know these things happen. But what we are in NEED of, are how to LEAVE these situations. How to spot the abus3er ect. See the patterns. Not something like this.. Where the abus3er gets forgiven... Because he is the "true love" of the victim? The one being manipulated and lied to are forgiving the guy who wanted to control her...

    • @lachlanchester8142
      @lachlanchester8142 Рік тому +1

      @@Somebody9666 shows can have bad endings though

    • @cliffwun7175
      @cliffwun7175 Рік тому +27

      ​@@lachlanchester8142 There's a fine line between "Bad ending" and downright unacceptable. Look at the whiplash movie or every single wrong turn movie, hell even saw has better endings. They have "bad endings" but they don't come across as bad as this plus the "bad endings" differ from movie to movie too. Whiplash had a bad ending because the protagonist succumbed to his obsession, saw and wrong turn has bad endings because it had dead protagonists (sometimes). In short movies like whiplash (ie not horror) had bad endings but graceful delivery of messages, while movies with horror tags tend to be straight forward (ie dead protagonists) and since the idol is not horror it "should" have a meaningful bad ending like whiplash

  • @miacox7934
    @miacox7934 Рік тому +369

    16:03 what they are saying is actually even WORSE than what you brought up. With the hair brush, they are trying to say that Jocelyn knew all along and was playing the role of a manipulated victim so that she can use Tedros in order to write good music. Like she's the one who "ACTUALLY" orcastrated all the abuse "on purpose" for her music. it's sick, especially if the message they said (before the show came out) they were trying to relay was the difficult lives of female stars. So what now, they are saying Britney Spears, Selena Gomez types purposefully go through trauma for the sake of being idolized more and having better music????

    • @emhu2594
      @emhu2594 Рік тому

      you know in the first 15 minutes that it is deeply misogynist. They have her crying and talk about her breaking down like Britney, while filming it in a pornographic way. What kind of man is turned on by a hurt woman that is crying? FUCKED UP

    • @vvaveave
      @vvaveave Рік тому +76

      the fact that just this final episode stacked this with the fake rape accusation plot point is sooooo foul sam levinson deserves actual jailtime for script this offensively bad

    • @Originalchili
      @Originalchili Рік тому +4

      I think they failed horribly at it, but I belive the point is, predators are among all types of people in that world of Hollywood, I don't have a hard time believing some famous people have stepped on others before

    • @owenleal
      @owenleal Рік тому +11

      The idea wasnt what was bad. It was the execution. The idea of Jocelyn being a manipulator and outplaying the player is a good story. It isnt sick just because youre uncomfortable with it. The issue was that it was a lazily constructed story and played like an excuse for the writer to have a wank instead of being interested in the character and plot development. The problem was that the characters were incoherent and the story telling lacked talent. They wasted alot of runtime on gratuitous sex that served no purpose, when there was alot of exposition that they needed to set up that they would then just tack on after the fact. As a result it felt rushed and forced, like Jocelyn did a full 180°.

    • @badonkalover
      @badonkalover Рік тому

      @@vvaveave love this comment

  • @geminiaxelrod4592
    @geminiaxelrod4592 Рік тому +765

    So, now that the show is over, can we agree that all the sex scenes were pointless and served no other purpose than to show us what a perv Sam is??

    • @superjlk_9538
      @superjlk_9538 Рік тому +86

      The only one that had any “plot relevance” (besides the sexual singing stuff) at all was the scene where she sleeps with her ex

    • @hakugen3479
      @hakugen3479 Рік тому +19

      You basically just recapped the entirety of TLOU Part 2.

    • @kylecunningham9793
      @kylecunningham9793 Рік тому

      ​@@hakugen3479 seethe, chode

    • @hakugen3479
      @hakugen3479 Рік тому

      @@kylecunningham9793 such profundity in such few words! My goodness, I am amazed! Now how about you return your mother dearest her mobile terminal device and go get a life, strapping young lad?

    • @gwell2118
      @gwell2118 Рік тому +61

      @@hakugen3479 You realize that this makes objectively no sense in comparison to what the original poster said? Be butthurt about TLOU 2 if you must( literally years later at this point 😒) but at least put some effort into it come on lol

  • @dizzyhq5100
    @dizzyhq5100 Рік тому +6768

    Watching him rant is like listening to your child complain about how bad his day at school was today

    • @Plazions
      @Plazions Рік тому +424

      except the child is raised by a stable family and thus everything he has to say is entertaining

    • @tropicalxdel
      @tropicalxdel Рік тому +27

      ​@bignose75BRO WUT-

    • @tropicalxdel
      @tropicalxdel Рік тому +22

      ​@@p-__why farts though-

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому +2

      i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +4

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

  • @uncurled520
    @uncurled520 Рік тому +229

    Sam Levinson treating a $75 million dollar show like I treated my 5th grade science project: super invested at first then by the time it was supposed to wrap up, just doing the bare minimum to get it over with whether it made sense or not, all while pretending it was planned out all along.

    • @demosneokleous4877
      @demosneokleous4877 6 місяців тому

      Was your fifth grade science project just softcore p0rn or did it have a purpose beyond that

  • @DianaPr1nce
    @DianaPr1nce Рік тому +686

    This is why the writers are on strike, Imagine getting the scripts and being told, "We need these fixed, so the show will be good. We'll pay you for an hour's work, because you're just editing, the scripts are already done."

    • @billmelater6470
      @billmelater6470 Рік тому +14

      You mean the scripts the writers wrote in the first place?

    • @Nowyn
      @Nowyn Рік тому +6

      Don't writer's write the script?

    • @DianaPr1nce
      @DianaPr1nce Рік тому +76

      @@billmelater6470 Studios are already taking outlines and using those instead, or coercing work out of people for a couple dollars. They're destroying writers' rooms across the industry to save money. That's why plots make less sense and everything is a reboot/sequel. Pay for an hour's work, take that script and just demand that the cast use it. When it falls apart, hire a different writer for an hour to "fix" it.

    • @hardrada3534
      @hardrada3534 Рік тому +12

      @@DianaPr1nce Honestly with the shit thats been around for the last 5 years I want both the writers and the studios to fail. I don't care.

    • @Gorypaladin346
      @Gorypaladin346 Рік тому +49

      ​@@hardrada3534so you just completely ignored everything he said

  • @BlastGamer77
    @BlastGamer77 Рік тому +1781

    This whole show could’ve been saved if it ended with a scene of the Weeknd sitting in a producer’s office across from a horrified exec who asks “…and what would you call this show?” and he answers “The Aristocrats!”

  • @LabiLabi777
    @LabiLabi777 Рік тому +506

    There are actually good and passionate writers out there being ignored over Sam Levison. Remember that.

  • @ChrisCarty97
    @ChrisCarty97 Рік тому +113

    The sad thing is TheWeekend basically wrote his whole character. He wanted a lot of creative control and its pretty evident. Feels like this was collection of episodes made to promote a new album he has coming out.

    • @ChrisCarty97
      @ChrisCarty97 Рік тому +3

      I also think they had an episode 6 made but decided to cut it and end the show abruptly rather than have an episode that leads to a possible season 2, which we know isn't going to happen anymore.

  • @ISeenmyDreams
    @ISeenmyDreams Рік тому +1486

    The crazy thing is there’s an actual fanbase out there for this show now and they tell people *You just don’t understand what the show is trying to tell you* lmao

    • @comicsans3537
      @comicsans3537 Рік тому +216

      Ah, the porn-addict version of Rick and Morty fans.

    • @JadeEyeland
      @JadeEyeland Рік тому +48

      I kinda feel that, this show is supposed to be a greasy scuzzy show about terrible people, it was just done really badly

    • @ashbash2634
      @ashbash2634 Рік тому +64

      Those comments saying it's "art" and people just don't understand 😂

    • @en-nah-ehn-ne
      @en-nah-ehn-ne Рік тому +27

      @@ashbash2634 sounds a lot like AOT fans 😳

    • @faithfullone5414
      @faithfullone5414 Рік тому +20

      @@en-nah-ehn-ne They refuse to let that show die is ridiculous 😭

  • @riggy0
    @riggy0 Рік тому +3658

    You guys don’t understand how embarrassing it is to be a fan of someone who played such a huge hand in creating this absolute catastrophe. The Weeknd is genuinely killing me.

    • @aladdout9454
      @aladdout9454 Рік тому +332

      how little self awareness does the weeknd have like...WHY?😂😂😂

    • @zkme2734
      @zkme2734 Рік тому +469

      Someone needs to get to a time machine and stop the weeknd from acting as an extra in Uncut Gems and stop his delusions about acting

    • @pheunithpsychic-watertype9881
      @pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 Рік тому +219

      ​@@aladdout9454who needs self awareness when you're one of the biggest acts and surrounded by yes men

    • @asgeir7700
      @asgeir7700 Рік тому +2

      feel u

    • @brozingamer1791
      @brozingamer1791 Рік тому +120

      I have House of Balloons tattooed on me. I want it removed after the idol

  • @UltimaKeyMaster
    @UltimaKeyMaster Рік тому +237

    There is a way you can write a villain winning at the end and make it work.
    Doing it the way this show has goes beyond a villain of a fictional property winning and says "no, whoever made this actually believes rapists deserve to win."

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +61

      Yeah I thought that was weird. Like nobody was rooting for Tedros to win, but he still gets a happy ending. That’s how you know The Weeknd had a hand in writing this shit lol

    • @Originalchili
      @Originalchili Рік тому +10

      ​@@CrystalRose1111one movie where the villain "wins" and it was done well, was the movie "no country for old men" pretty much all the "good guys" fail in that movie, and the most evil one, walks away

    • @spike5499
      @spike5499 Рік тому +2

      I swear I've seen you in another youtube comment section

    • @spike5499
      @spike5499 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Originalchilise7en, the dark knight, infinity war, silence of the lambs, phone booth, nightcrawler, primal fear, and the usual suspects all do that too lol

    • @UltimaKeyMaster
      @UltimaKeyMaster Рік тому

      @@spike5499 I comment way more than I make content anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised, hahaha.

  • @fiveoneecho
    @fiveoneecho Рік тому +339

    I like how Charlie can be, "This awful thing exists!" and I can never have heard of it at all, and then Charlie can give the most in-depth rundown like the most fanatical fan of all time!

    • @def3ndr887
      @def3ndr887 Рік тому +20

      I sometimes wonder if Charlie is a masochist after seeing him review multiple shows like this.

    • @titanium4082
      @titanium4082 Рік тому +11

      You can't say something sucks until you've sat through at least an episode.
      Why five? Fur the extra proof of it sucking

    • @demosneokleous4877
      @demosneokleous4877 6 місяців тому

      He's doing it so we don't have to

  • @wyksht
    @wyksht Рік тому +924

    Charlie should have a series like "Bad bedtime stories" where he tells us about dogshit shows/movies

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +1

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @Luci-rv1hl
      @Luci-rv1hl Рік тому +7

      I’d never fall asleep after being enthralled by Charles natural storytelling abilities, Charles would put 1001 Arabian nights to shame by orating one million and one spins of the yarn.

    • @rigormortiz5357
      @rigormortiz5357 Рік тому

      ​@@MbitaChizihow about you borrow someone's chainsaw, rev it up and ride it like a broom...

    • @metalfamilyfanandqueenfan
      @metalfamilyfanandqueenfan Рік тому

      ​@@MbitaChizigood luck on ur journey I just subbed!!

    • @spike5499
      @spike5499 Рік тому +2

      ​@@metalfamilyfanandqueenfannice try Mbita

  • @seekittycat
    @seekittycat Рік тому +633

    This show really went "Poor Tedros, everyone betray him, everyone take advantage of his god given talent, you're tearing him apart Jocelyn 😭!"

    • @lachlanchester8142
      @lachlanchester8142 Рік тому

      I definitely don’t think that’s what happened you shouldn’t have to be told how to feel about him you’re allowed to still hate him

    • @damicamarshall5255
      @damicamarshall5255 Рік тому +52

      @@lachlanchester8142that’s how they filmed it to be interpreted though. He did a 180 characters shift in the span of one episode for no reason

    • @happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305
      @happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 Рік тому

      the weeknd still got more sales than taylr swift shame on you americans

    • @lemonmelon1883
      @lemonmelon1883 Рік тому +13

      “It’s over! It’s over!”
      “It’s *NOT* over! Everybody betray him! He’s fed up with this world!”

    • @GarfieldiusPrime
      @GarfieldiusPrime Рік тому +8

      @@happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 🤨

  • @Ash0921
    @Ash0921 Рік тому +145

    This is 100% a fantasy fanfic written by the director/male writers lmao. Like they having the female characters say they like "rapey vibes", they are making it seem like abuse= artistic freedom or some shit, and then wtf is that ending. Like wtf is the message of the show lmaoo? Who is the target audience of this show?

    • @seekittycat
      @seekittycat Рік тому +25

      This whole show screams "It's not rape and abuse she wanted it, in fact she MADE me do it, she's not a victim she's greedy and is exploiting my talent all along." In other words "It never happened, it's not my fault, it's your fault and you deserved it.".

    • @Ellzyboy
      @Ellzyboy Рік тому

      The message of the show: comeone white girls! Have interacial relationships with exciting black men.
      Target audience: white girls with tiktok brain.

    • @freddie6307
      @freddie6307 Рік тому +3

      sometimes i say i'm disgusted by certain tv shows as a joke, but like this show actually makes me want to mainline cyanide. this is such a gross message to send, especially post me-too (it's an evil message either way, but it's exceptionally bold and disgusting to make a show like this now)

    • @Ellzyboy
      @Ellzyboy Рік тому

      @@freddie6307 do you know why its an evil message? Because it was made by a Jew that hates white people

    • @ManCheat2
      @ManCheat2 Рік тому

      "male writers" you seem to forget all those famous female writers who basically write rape fetish books?

  • @ddDeiling19
    @ddDeiling19 Рік тому +194

    Sam Levinson also wrote something called Malcolm and Marie, which is about an supposedly brilliant film director on the brink of greatness who hates how movie critics and Marie can’t understand the genius his work. He admits it was based off a real life argument with his wife.
    Dude basically made a whole movie to try and win an argument with his wife lol

    • @IsaacHarvison-mt5xt
      @IsaacHarvison-mt5xt Рік тому +2

      It's more of the prices at the movie theater is outrageous people rather wait to have it on the streaming app

    • @microwave4928
      @microwave4928 4 місяці тому +1

      @@IsaacHarvison-mt5xtit’s more that movies these days, 9/10 times, are dogshit

  • @Supernovald
    @Supernovald Рік тому +2364

    Charlie is our knight in shining armor when it comes to bad shows

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому +1

      i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @Sir_catfish_the_4th
      @Sir_catfish_the_4th Рік тому +16

      Bro bots targeting your comment 🧌

    • @catraaa5261
      @catraaa5261 Рік тому +4

      Seriously, he should get payed for his amazing critique work.

    • @viksyGs
      @viksyGs Рік тому

      Fr ong

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

  • @newmoonshadow3038
    @newmoonshadow3038 Рік тому +289

    I've heard the original script was very different but the Director and editors maimed the crap out of it because, and I quote, "it's too much from the female POV." So someone wrote a good (or at least decent) story about a woman surviving in the sleazy idol industry, and they wiped out all of that in favor of being what they thought men would be more interested in.

    • @jjoohhnn6065
      @jjoohhnn6065 Рік тому +34

      The irony 💀💀💀

    • @Novafan
      @Novafan Рік тому +2

      'i've heard" yeah all of you heard from an article with 0 source. jesus christ the way yall blatantly spread misinformation and dont care about it just cuz the show isnt good is so gross

    • @titanium4082
      @titanium4082 Рік тому +19

      @@Novafan the original director was fired/had to quit, her name was Amy Seimetz and the show was originally a criticism on Hollywood.
      Look it up

    • @Novafan
      @Novafan Рік тому

      @@titanium4082 yes i know amy left, when did i ever say she didnt? and the show still is a criticism on the music industry

    • @titanium4082
      @titanium4082 Рік тому +16

      @@Novafan then why'd you say anything? You knew the same thing and moaned able everyone saying that without a source cited. Though I've heard mixed things on the editors loving it to this.
      It's not a criticism anymore, it's literally just some guy's fap crap. What's the critique it's giving, that abusers can stay with their victims? That sex everywhere is fine? Nah man, it's just cringe.

  • @47jakobi
    @47jakobi Рік тому +224

    Imagine being the person who started the idea and then got ousted, watching them totally destroy it like this

  • @maxdatanuki
    @maxdatanuki Рік тому +95

    i whole heartedly believe they kicked out the original director to steal her work and ruin it as much as they could to destroy the concept for the future because people will call back on how bad the idol so that people cant actually make real shit talking about how abusive Hollywood is to the young women trapped inside it.

    • @jurepec5779
      @jurepec5779 Рік тому +8

      That is a very disturbing thought, I hope you are giving them way too much credit.

    • @SonicTheo
      @SonicTheo Рік тому

      @@jurepec5779yes because she never touched the script. You guys are delusional.

  • @GoetiaTV
    @GoetiaTV Рік тому +310

    I made it to 8 minutes before my eyes glazed over and I started wondering what I’ll have for dinner. Not even Charlie can make this show sound interesting. That’s almost impressive.

  • @MVIVN
    @MVIVN Рік тому +191

    See, hearing this makes me convinced that contrary to what Sam Levinson and The Weeknd were saying, HBO did cut the show short and forced them to wrap it up as quickly as possible to make sure it never gets another season.

  • @999darla
    @999darla Рік тому +380

    One of Tedros’ protégées is a 17 year old girl and on her introductory episode they filmed multiple closeup shots of her bare chest as she roams around Jocelyn’s house naked 💀

    • @eurekamreum5458
      @eurekamreum5458 Рік тому +132

      Good ol' Sam Levinson

    • @NotJpTem
      @NotJpTem Рік тому +78

      that's gotta be illegal for them to do that

    • @999darla
      @999darla Рік тому +201

      @@NotJpTem the actress is 27, only her character is supposed to be 17. Still creepy imo

    • @NotJpTem
      @NotJpTem Рік тому +74

      @@999darla yeah that is actually disgusting

    • @catenjoyer76
      @catenjoyer76 Рік тому +130

      ​@@999darla Yeah sexualizing minors is always wrong they just use 20+ actors to excuse themselves

  • @casualanonymous687
    @casualanonymous687 Рік тому +33

    The finale sounded like me writing a 3 sentence conclusion to my 10 page final essay that I procrastinated on for a month

  • @800Ms-k6n
    @800Ms-k6n Рік тому +278

    Eventhough this show is over, it likely won't stop Levinson in making more stuff like this. Depends if the HBO executives still trust him, i hope not. Everyone who worked on this series should be ashamed of themselves

  • @xaenmo
    @xaenmo Рік тому +630

    I feel like i watched the show without even watching it, thank you charlie for saving my time ❤️

  • @skyskynomnom4674
    @skyskynomnom4674 Рік тому +95

    The upsetting part of this whole thing is that there was a very interesting story here, a real story, but instead they threw it away and made soft core fetish porn.

    • @ruot
      @ruot Рік тому +7

      this! it truly could've been something. i would have enjoyed actually focusing on Jocelyn's potential story, it would have been interesting. but they focused solely on nudity and sexuality and the story was left in the dust.

    • @univalent15
      @univalent15 Рік тому +4

      If actresses stopped taking their tops off in front of the camera, stuff like this might happen less. Money must be more important than integrity I guess

    • @ddjsoyenby
      @ddjsoyenby Рік тому +3

      there's bits and pieces of something good here' but it is executed terribly and buried beneath weeknd and sams weird f3t1shes and bad writing........i feel bad for the actually good actors doing their best.

    • @WhiteWolf-lm7gj
      @WhiteWolf-lm7gj Рік тому +9

      @@univalent15 So it's the actresses' fault that the industry sexualizes them??

    • @univalent15
      @univalent15 Рік тому +4

      @@WhiteWolf-lm7gj Are they put under pressure to do it? Yes. Are they over sexualized? Yes. But at the same time, they know what they're getting into. They willingly sign these contracts knowing what the industry is like towards women. Is it wrong to say, the actresses, grown adults, should have some culpability? I don't think so. Men already objectify women, so why do women have to add to it? They can say it's for the sake of art, but at the same time you've got men making compilation videos of actresses naked. I feel like things would be better if more women just refused to bare it all. Movies already have a terrible effect of influencing males to view women in an unhealthy way. Why make it worse?

  • @Normalisnotamouthfull
    @Normalisnotamouthfull Рік тому +30

    This is the most amount of emotion I have ever seen this man project

  • @Maidenz_winter
    @Maidenz_winter Рік тому +648

    I low key feel bad for Lily Rose-Depp. She could’ve had a better role if the producers and writers took more time to fix the show.

    • @lucasrios2089
      @lucasrios2089 Рік тому +56

      I don’t really. I’m sure she read the script before she accepted the role, she knew what she was in for

    • @kcototheyoyoyo
      @kcototheyoyoyo Рік тому +20

      There’s no fixing this. Burn it

    • @shroomshroom5945
      @shroomshroom5945 Рік тому +47

      ​@@lucasrios2089she was on th3 original script. The one with the woman director. So she didn't sign up for this bs

    • @mako3197
      @mako3197 Рік тому +21

      Nah she isn't some starving actor who has no choice to do this in order to pay bills. Quite the opposite.

    • @bibimbap5917
      @bibimbap5917 Рік тому +46

      ​@@lucasrios2089but didn't the weekend and sam levison entirely change the script after the original script was 80 percent done? So did she even intentionally sign up for this bs or was she contractually obligated. But it's weird how she's been constantly defending Sam and Abel over this mess

  • @johannderjager4146
    @johannderjager4146 Рік тому +56

    I was honestly shocked that she only made out with him on stage, the show's behavior up to this point made me think Charlie was going to say she just got railed on-stage in front of the crowd.

  • @Arcademan09
    @Arcademan09 Рік тому +556

    Can this show really impact The Weekend's career if no one watched this show?

    • @stevendemayo3631
      @stevendemayo3631 Рік тому +46

      It was so bad that I'm pretty sure word has spread

    • @AcidFlash123
      @AcidFlash123 Рік тому +3

      Who?

    • @Kango234
      @Kango234 Рік тому +10

      Philosophers should study this question.

    • @TNZZ_650
      @TNZZ_650 Рік тому +13

      “The Weeknd” is the right way to spell it and not “Weekend”.

    • @AcidFlash123
      @AcidFlash123 Рік тому +21

      @@Kango234 If a tree fell in the forest, and it had no talent, would it still be a Weeknd?

  • @k-avocado395
    @k-avocado395 Рік тому +32

    I was legitimately nauseated 🤢 at the end. The “twist” is they are both horrible people? It made zero sense. None. Ssoo abusers win? Is the only take away🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @janson2911
    @janson2911 Рік тому +59

    Listening to Charlie's explanation of The Idol feels like he is explaining his experience reading an NTR for the first time. It gave him trauma in the midst of the confusion and I'm all for it

  • @thrillcollectors
    @thrillcollectors Рік тому +900

    I genuinely feel bad for Lily Rose Depp. This was her breakout role, and she really thought most likely that she was offered a great opportunity to work with the likes of the Weeknd and Sam Levinson. And now the show has absolutely tanked. This really is the kind of show that ruins the careers of people involved. Hope it’s not the case for her :/

    • @kelseylandon1224
      @kelseylandon1224 Рік тому +127

      she's not a great person at all and deserves it. no need to feel sorry for her

    • @brandi598
      @brandi598 Рік тому +202

      @@kelseylandon1224 fr let the nepo baby fail LMAOOO

    • @thrillcollectors
      @thrillcollectors Рік тому +70

      @@kelseylandon1224 what do you mean? I mean you don’t know her. I can’t imagine you could judge her as a person based on probably something you read online

    • @makstracy
      @makstracy Рік тому +94

      By all accounts, I've heard she played her character really well (despite the circumstances) so hopefully she can take advantage of the attention and get roles that are actually worthwhile

    • @thrillcollectors
      @thrillcollectors Рік тому +75

      @@makstracy from the two episodes I watched, yeah she definitely did better than anyone else at least. Unfortunately, Hollywood has a tendency to basically blacklist actor who were associated with a widely hated property, despite a good performance. Brutal industry.

  • @ashiaku9864
    @ashiaku9864 Рік тому +49

    For those who don't know, it was implied that she made up the abuse allegations about her mother.

    • @stevendemayo3631
      @stevendemayo3631 Рік тому +2

      it wasn't even subtle lol. how did he miss it?

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +28

      See this doesn’t make sense tho. Wasn’t it implied at the beginning that everyone knew her mother was abusing her ??? Or am I just not remembering this right

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +22

      @@Official_Tedros I remember the scene. She called Xander a liar because she needed Tedros to see her as a victim. But there was a scene in a previous episode where she sits down and tells everyone that her mother abused her and no one did anything about it. Now we’re supposed to believe it was a lie ??? Lmao

    • @ashiaku9864
      @ashiaku9864 Рік тому +4

      @@CrystalRose1111 They said they knew about the abuse but never witnessed it. Xander said he didn't know what to do in the situation. He never said anything about her mother actually witnessing it. Notice how Joselyn's boyfriend also knew nothing about the abuse and she claimed that her mother beat her so bad that she broke the skin with her hairbrush. Rob would have definitely seen bruises or any marks left by her mother, but he was completely oblivious when she went public about the story that her mom abused her. She told to lie to gain sympathy from people to emotionally manipulate them. Her fans, the people in the music industry, etc. She didn't need sympathy from Rob because Rob genuinely cared about her.

    • @user3904A
      @user3904A Рік тому

      @@Official_Tedrosthe sex scenes contributed NOTHING to the barely existent plot. And Sam levinshit and The Weeknd said how they wanted to expose the exploitation of female idols in Hollywood. They took real life experiences of idols like Britney And Jeannette McCurdy only to turn around and say the female idol was the manipulator. Their message was literally that these women are responsible for their own abuse. Be fr.

  • @aurea.
    @aurea. Рік тому +92

    Levinson strikes me as a guy who wants to make adult movies, but without the sleaziness attached to it, so he turns his content into TV shows.
    It also feels like the only thing stopping him from producing even sleazier stuff is his actors' refusal.

  • @joeyaknow1103
    @joeyaknow1103 Рік тому +112

    I think I heard originally the show was centered more around the female lead and her struggle as a star being exploited when it had its original director who was a woman. She left during a creative overhaul and Sam became the director. The Weeknd complained that it was not about his character enough.

    • @bigjalapeno7061
      @bigjalapeno7061 Рік тому

      Yea I think Charlie mentioned that in his previous videos about it

    • @Kintsugi23
      @Kintsugi23 Рік тому

      They said it was too much of a female perspective. Aka they couldn’t jerk off to it.

  • @isaacgame7304
    @isaacgame7304 Рік тому +13

    They were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.

  • @williamtseng
    @williamtseng Рік тому +1393

    I really loved the part when The Weeknd said “It’s Idoling time”. It really makes the audience feel like an Idol. Absolute crowd pleaser

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому

      idc but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @alexpenna
      @alexpenna Рік тому +45

      This is one of the responses of all time

    • @jamesedwards3410
      @jamesedwards3410 Рік тому +2

      Biggest CinemaSins “roll credits” moment ever lmao

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @800Ms-k6n
      @800Ms-k6n Рік тому +11

      My favourite scene was when Jennie dance around and she screams "It's Jennie time" then started Jennied all over the place. What a masterpiece

  • @merlinho0t
    @merlinho0t Рік тому +66

    It's insane that Lily actually became Jocelyn in real life, getting used and groomed by men around her, fetishizing her. The saddest part is that she thinks it was okay, and that she was doing something meaningful and artistic. I feel bad for her, growing up in Hollywood probably didn't help at all either.

    • @SergioMendoza760
      @SergioMendoza760 Рік тому +2

      It’s rarely been something that’s been helpful or good for anyone in that god forsaken business. It’s typically a very bad thing and it doesn’t surprise me that it’s been that way for decades, it’ll probably always be this way.

    • @WynnWynn-gl3fk
      @WynnWynn-gl3fk Рік тому +1

      At least she has a gf and not a bf

    • @Soulfin
      @Soulfin 7 місяців тому

      ​@@WynnWynn-gl3fkWhat's wrong with a bf?

    • @WynnWynn-gl3fk
      @WynnWynn-gl3fk 7 місяців тому

      @@Soulfin males are the number one cause of death in women and most often the bf. Also look how bad the guys were on the show to her and other women.

    • @Soulfin
      @Soulfin 7 місяців тому

      ​@@WynnWynn-gl3fkNo one really talked about that at all and no you are wrong, it is heart disease. Nice try with your misandry. And also, if you define having to put everyone through labour as being "mean" then you are the exact problem this video stands against.

  • @DoobieKeebler
    @DoobieKeebler Рік тому +102

    The end of that giant musical number in the middle of the episode, where Jocelyn starts crawling on the floor like the girl from "The Ring", while singing 'Am I Playing Well Now, Daddy?' was some of the weirdest, honestly gross s××t I've ever seen from a show or movie where it's supposed to be sexy. And no one can claim it was supposed to be uncomfortable, cuz the record executive loved it.
    Also, I learned that Sam Levinson is a giant tool to work for because he never gives the crew plans on how to set up the day's shoots. He, instead, chooses to "feel it out" once he's there, which makes that part of the days run insanely long before people can be ready & then before the day can be over. Not leaving enough time til the next day's shoot, in an industry where days already, usually, run painfully long.

    • @21stcenturyhiphop
      @21stcenturyhiphop Рік тому +8

      If what you're saying about the scheduling is true, then that's insane; it's a terrible way to run a set.

    • @0304dina
      @0304dina Рік тому +6

      Wonder if he does it on purpose to lower the chance that actors might disagree with stuff.
      Like the sex scenes.
      An actor who just wants the day to be over is less likely to object to how a scene is shot and might even overstep their own boundaries.

    • @DoobieKeebler
      @DoobieKeebler Рік тому +1

      @@0304dina
      Not a bad idea.
      Since he does the writing & directing of every episode, it puts him in a place of immense power. And I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way, it just does because there is no one actors can go to to change scences besides him. When he was doing Euphoria, I got the feeling he was trying to write an exaggerated version of what it was like when he was younger. Not necessarily biographical, but that he's the son of a very famous director, so he probably got into wild s××t.
      But back onto the subject of how he runs things & what you said, Zendaya had to put it in her contract she wouldn't do nudity anymore. That could have been cause the show was a hit, but it's more likely that everything with Sam's fly by night production style of "feeling out" shots would lead to exaggerated nudity. Even Lily Rose Depp.talked about how a lot of what she did in the show was freelance, which is crazy to think about because it really is a good character at the base. Hell, Chloe was a fantastic character - even Xander until he became a cult zombie - but the show would desend into random nudity, sex, or BDSM. I'm no shrinking violet or old lady, either... it was all just misplaced & unnecessary.

    • @0304dina
      @0304dina Рік тому

      ​@@DoobieKeebler I can take sex as a plot device in a well-written show.
      This show however is sex (or whatever degree of SA it may be) with a shitty little plot around it.
      Nothing of substance, just a director and musician's barely concealed fetish.
      I wonder how many of the good scenes or character motivations were leftovers from the director they fired.
      Because I also read that Levinson heavily copied from an Israeli show that inspired Euphoria and that's why S1 didn't suck.
      One issue I have is that the "BDSM elements" are none.
      Just two people (after what transpired from the finale) trying to abuse and assault each other. With truly malicious intent.
      The consent given is in both cases is shaky at best.
      And yeah, it wouldn't suprise me if at least one actress (don't know about men in this case but they seem to be less of a target) felt violated, may it even be just in retrospect.
      I HOPE not but the chances aren't slim.

    • @DoobieKeebler
      @DoobieKeebler Рік тому

      @@0304dina
      I loved how The Weeknd's first hit song was about doing too much coke, and that immediately became a long running plot point. "Tedros, baby, you've been doing too much blow"
      *feigns disinterest in what she just said*
      Or....
      When she's mad he's still there & it cuts to him looking like he lost a boxing match with the bolivian marching powder.
      But in more serious notes, I think Hollywood plays BDSM in that kind of 50 Shades / The Secretary kind of way because they believe it plays better to take or be aggressive. Rather than getting consent and safe words and what people are OK / not OK with, except society does a piss poor job of teaching kids consent. There's a whole rabbit hole to go down with this sort of stuff.
      Another thing, Tedros wasn't even a good God damn cult leader. It would have been so much more... i dont know, if she was consenting to it, than when he was blindfloding her and f××king her real fast, etc. It felt like they didn't know what they wanted. The original point was that he was this cult leader, but then he's turned into a pied piper kind of pimp.
      I also don't think an article in Variety would destroy his life when he controls people like zombies, but what do I know about sex cults?

  • @GIChiyo
    @GIChiyo Рік тому +42

    The script was changed to what the show became because the original script "had too much of a feminine perspective"
    I have a feeling the actual interesting story that the main character had potential for was what was scrapped...

    • @emhu2594
      @emhu2594 Рік тому

      HBO wants shows for men to masturbate to, not to empathize with women and their problems.

  • @sadsatan..
    @sadsatan.. Рік тому +91

    The idol is one of those stories that probably sounds good as a surface level Wattpad sex novel and not an actual series.

    • @ae8392
      @ae8392 Рік тому +22

      unfortunately netflix literally has been turning wattpad sex novels into movies for a few years

  • @hinapuff
    @hinapuff Рік тому +96

    i think the worst part for me is when i'd occasionally see abel's tweets about the show and his character. and so many of his fans are talking about the TEDRUSSY, they love his character, etc. part of me worries that some of them.. aren't memeing and are actually serious? they like a cult manipulator weirdo and its scary. haven't really seen any of them defend the show so much as "oh its sad we won't see the rest of abels plans for this show"

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap Рік тому +16

      I mean, Jared Leto also still has fans. dude went full cult jesus a couple years ago. and people pay him money to listen to his bullshit.
      a lot of people are just like that. that can be scary. but at least, theyre not actively trying to harm you. theyre just being weird somewhere else.

    • @happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305
      @happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 Рік тому +1

      you guys are too sensetive. are fans of hannibal or scream etc then also sick?

    • @ThePatank
      @ThePatank Рік тому +10

      @@TheSuperappelflap definitely longer than a couple of years ago. I knew the guy who directed one of his music videos for 30 seconds to Mars and he said when he went to Leto's house he had like a legion of young women on computers doing his social media. wtf? Also heard some horrible stories about him doing signatures for fans, like one woman recalling when she was 16 or something and when she went to get an autograph from Leto, he said "which one do you want me to sign?" referring to her breasts. Pretty terrible person.

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap Рік тому +9

      @@ThePatank yeah i mean, i dont even bat an eye at that story, dudes completely deranged. i was more referring to the personality cult he started a couple years ago. hes hosting multiple day retreats now where people pay thousands just to listen to his spiritual speeches while hes literally standing there in a white dress.

    • @fartinfpooping8801
      @fartinfpooping8801 Рік тому +16

      @@happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 stop being desperate why would you want the Tedrussy so bad

  • @crisinsnow
    @crisinsnow Рік тому +64

    The way I saw it is they tried to make Tedros the victim all along by making it seem like Jocelyn knew what he was doing but needed him to push her to help her make music but even with me explaining it, it still doesn’t make sense

    • @stevendemayo3631
      @stevendemayo3631 Рік тому +3

      yeah, it was dumb but they made it pretty obvious. I don't know how charlie is confused about that part

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +12

      Idk, poorly written plot aside, the way I saw it was that Jocelyn was using Tedros to make hits and needed him to believe she was this broken vulnerable person, long enough for him to get too invested/write enough songs. But the show doesn’t make it clear at which point Jocelyn changed her perspective, which was infuriating lol

    • @superjlk_9538
      @superjlk_9538 Рік тому +4

      It doesn’t make sense because we even see her in private moments. She didn’t know that he was sleeping with Chloe. She presumably did not know that he framed her ex for rape.

    • @CrystalRose1111
      @CrystalRose1111 Рік тому +3

      @@Official_Tedros Yeah i see what you’re saying, the problem is that most people don’t really give a shit about the reality of Industry life. What regular lay person cares about that. The show was way too raunchy for the average person, and the abuse scenes were probably very triggering for most, especially for victims of abuse watching the show. As someone who listens to The Weeknd’s music, the show just feels like it was written by him. Makes me feel like Abel had some personal experience being that character in real life type shit lol

    • @wendynerd1199
      @wendynerd1199 Рік тому +3

      ​@@CrystalRose1111Crystal, don't bother. This person is a bot/Stan. Hence why they've gone off on a rant about what a good guy The Weeknd is.

  • @FraZzJ
    @FraZzJ Рік тому +224

    I respect Charlie's dedication to watch complete FILTH so we don't have to.

  • @Hydratarkus
    @Hydratarkus Рік тому +44

    maybe the true softcore pornography was the friends we made along the way

    • @miguelsi7543
      @miguelsi7543 Рік тому +2

      Underrated comment 🔥👏🏼😂

  • @ohnoajellyfish
    @ohnoajellyfish Рік тому +6

    I haven't watched the show, but by your descriptions alone it reminds me of the kind of 'misery pôrn' I watched during the worst of my mental illness several years ago.

  • @calamityarmityle3086
    @calamityarmityle3086 Рік тому +708

    I'm surprised there aren't more people talking about how Jennie, someone with arguably more fame than the weekend or Lily or Sam, was literally just a clout piece for this show. She's not a villain, not a friend, doesn't progress the story, she's in very few scenes with few lines, the most of her performance is a very sexual choreography scene, and she literally gets kicked out in the end . If her character was written out of the show it would have had no impact at all. She literally was just put into the show for clout , ratings, attention, and promotions.
    Edit: I guess a lot of people didn't see that I wrote "arguably" in this comment. Also, not knowing someone doesn't delete their fame. A teenager saying "I don't know Paul McCartny or Ozzy Osbourne" doesn't delete their status as legendary musicians. Or saying "I don't know markiplier or penguin0" doesn't make them any less famous youtubers. That logic of "If I haven't heard it they ain't famous" is just stupid.

    • @mcwildstyle9106
      @mcwildstyle9106 Рік тому +47

      It’s just so sad how Sam Levinson destroyed his own show and people’s career in the process

    • @scorpion-qk7rr
      @scorpion-qk7rr Рік тому +12

      But that's what she wanted..

    • @assas1nscreed
      @assas1nscreed Рік тому +82

      ​@@scorpion-qk7rrI think she signed up for the novelty factor, and to dip a toe into a different aspect of the American audience

    • @JadeEyeland
      @JadeEyeland Рік тому

      I thought it was supposed to show the average experience of an artist getting A&R

    • @dubistdumm-qh1ho
      @dubistdumm-qh1ho Рік тому +1

      SHE IS A GROWN ASS WOMAN NEARING 30 who choose to be in this and praised the director and is Friends with the Weekend why do you act like she was forced to do this ???

  • @Rembreiker_lychec9257
    @Rembreiker_lychec9257 Рік тому +144

    I'm just pissed off at how GOOD that twist could have been if Jocelyn's lies had caused some real irreparable damage to some of her close people or even just Tedros. There was just no proper build up to any of the good moments of the show. A wasted potential.

    • @firstlast9846
      @firstlast9846 Рік тому +36

      Looking back that “jizz photo” had no bearing on the plot whatsoever.. so why was it even there?

    • @yololoyo7379
      @yololoyo7379 Рік тому +3

      "Potential" this show already a disaster before it even comes out

    • @summer7578
      @summer7578 Рік тому

      Your profile pic fits with your comment lol

    • @superjlk_9538
      @superjlk_9538 Рік тому +4

      So was she actually lying about everything the whole time? Is that what the brush was supposed to mean? Was she conning him?

  • @Professor_Rock
    @Professor_Rock Рік тому +27

    This sounds like the most mind numbing show to have existed.

  • @aussj4link214
    @aussj4link214 8 місяців тому +64

    I don't know how you do it. If a show doesn't immediately grip me and make me think its awesome, I turn it off. I don't know how you can watch entire bad shows.

  • @Dratini__
    @Dratini__ Рік тому +14

    That was the most expressive "That's really about it, see ya" I've heard from Charlie in a while

  • @user-2012July-A
    @user-2012July-A Рік тому +46

    When I worked at Walmart, my supervisor overheard a couple 'raw-dogging it' in the dressing rooms. And he went over the intercom.
    "There is a wet spill in the dressing rooms. Maintenance please report to the dressing rooms."

    • @crakhaed
      @crakhaed Рік тому +6

      What a legend

    • @panickedshears
      @panickedshears Рік тому

      Sounds about right for walmart tbh

    • @user-2012July-A
      @user-2012July-A Рік тому +7

      It gets better, apparently that wasn't the only time. There were also people who worked at walmart also getting it on. In the FREEZER. With food. and cold. On top of doing that while on the clock, doing that around food, it was in the freezer on top of everything. (no pun intended) They did it a few times before being caught and fired. I *wonder* why.

  • @vanessafulton6203
    @vanessafulton6203 Рік тому +67

    I was at the LA Weeknd concert where they shot some of the end scenes, and I honestly didn't know what was going on at the time, but man... I can't believe I actually witnessed this dumpster fire live with my own two eyes. All I know is I won't be going to another concert of his bc he gave me the permanent ick from his acting.

    • @SonicTheo
      @SonicTheo Рік тому +3

      Hopefully more of you come out and lessen the price of tickets

  • @dlm9709
    @dlm9709 Рік тому +51

    imagine this and oshi no ko running at the same time, 2 completely different ways to handle celebrity love life 💀

    • @xcrowx8140
      @xcrowx8140 Рік тому +13

      I'm both glad and insulted that someone compared a masterpiece like Oshi No Ko to this unwatchable garbage of a show

    • @forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107
      @forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107 Рік тому +1

      @@xcrowx8140oshi no ko sucks too 💀

    • @xcrowx8140
      @xcrowx8140 Рік тому

      @@forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107 you probably have a bad taste if you think that, or you could be trolling

    • @KanekoIA
      @KanekoIA Рік тому +6

      ​​@@forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107I would rewatch Oshi no ko about a million times before I ever want to think of this shit

    • @Uvarosade452
      @Uvarosade452 4 місяці тому

      Oshi No Ko is goated

  • @syliphn8638
    @syliphn8638 Рік тому +181

    I didn't know this show existed and I thank every cell in my body for that

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому

      okay but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @Phobie_2000
      @Phobie_2000 Рік тому +7

      You should be thanking God himself for that. 😂😂

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @tillitsdone
      @tillitsdone Рік тому

      Me too, glad I missed it

    • @fathergascoigne1457
      @fathergascoigne1457 Рік тому

      ​@@Laughisty

  • @Holymackeralman
    @Holymackeralman Рік тому +36

    Me and my boyfriend watched this show today, I saw the original storyline and thought it sounded interesting but we couldn’t figure out what the story was or what was happening at any time. It should’ve been better than this.

    • @bigjalapeno7061
      @bigjalapeno7061 Рік тому +5

      Anyone who watches this should get a gold star and a cookie for their troubles

  • @illiteratearfi
    @illiteratearfi Рік тому +17

    You know a show is bad when you're constantly fast forwarding and not worrying about missing any important plot details, that's The Idol in a nutshell.

  • @SavantPete
    @SavantPete Рік тому +12

    Portrayed like Euphoria and executed like Velma

  • @Luring_Leon
    @Luring_Leon Рік тому +71

    I’ve never seen this much emotion in a Charlie thumbnail

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому

      hey but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @waddlesson8618
      @waddlesson8618 Рік тому +1

      ​@ExposedKidnobody cares

    • @AtomsTired
      @AtomsTired Рік тому +2

      This is a damn botception

    • @2Drexxed
      @2Drexxed Рік тому +1

      my uncle programmed these bots, they have been malfunctioning for a while.

  • @BrodySpeedruns
    @BrodySpeedruns Рік тому +330

    Charlie is truly a legend to explain the latest news for us EVERY day.

    • @Laughisty
      @Laughisty Рік тому

      i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +1

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @BigBoi9092
      @BigBoi9092 Рік тому

      true

    • @BrodySpeedruns
      @BrodySpeedruns Рік тому

      @@BigBoi9092 BRO HOW DID YOU SEE THIS

    • @AmazinCris
      @AmazinCris Рік тому +2

      I just spent like 5 minutes scrolling to find this comment LOL

  • @rocker725227
    @rocker725227 Рік тому +13

    You said exactly what I was thinking with how the series was meant to be 6 episodes. I definitely think they cut it down and are saying it was originally 5 episodes just to save face but it’s very obvious with how bad the finale came out.

  • @FreeFalling2d
    @FreeFalling2d Рік тому +137

    I went thru a horrible break up this week from my abusing cheating ex. This show is giving me the ick to put it extremely lightly.

    • @vivlodia
      @vivlodia Рік тому +25

      I hope you’re safe and alright!!

    • @mrgreenboy644
      @mrgreenboy644 Рік тому +17

      Hope you're doing better, or at least on the path to it. Glad you got out of there.

    • @TeddyLovesAxl
      @TeddyLovesAxl Рік тому +9

      I left this past week myself. Here’s to better days 🍻

    • @FreeFalling2d
      @FreeFalling2d Рік тому +6

      @@vivlodia yes thank you 🙏

    • @FreeFalling2d
      @FreeFalling2d Рік тому +6

      @mrgreenboy644 much better now thank you 🙏

  • @Jimov
    @Jimov Рік тому +8

    My favourite part is where the villain says "You always idolised me, yet you failed to realise I am a false idol, you fool!" before he machine gunned the whole room.

  • @intuitionedits2.032
    @intuitionedits2.032 Рік тому +112

    I would like to point out a lot of this show was also based on The Weeknd's time dating Selena/Selena's life as well as VERY clearly Britney Spears.
    He's a toxic narcissist so it tracks that he'd work with Sam Levinson. You can say "oh he didn't know" all you want, but that's bull and you know it.

    • @Kintsugi23
      @Kintsugi23 Рік тому +34

      The twist that Jocelyn lied about her mother’s abuse really left a bad taste in my mouth. Jocelyn’s character was pretty clearly inspired by stars like Britney Spears or Jennette McCurdy, both of whom have been very open about the abuse they faced from both their families and the industry, and to base a character on that kind of trauma only to reveal she was making it all up seems in very poor taste.

    • @intuitionedits2.032
      @intuitionedits2.032 Рік тому +3

      @rachelmazurek5033 there are very clear parallels to Selena too. And you're just lying to yourself if you say there aren't

    • @Kintsugi23
      @Kintsugi23 Рік тому +21

      @@intuitionedits2.032 Oh absolutely. Which is even more gross because, as an ex, she probably opened up to him about a lot of this and he used it as material for his show.

    • @intuitionedits2.032
      @intuitionedits2.032 Рік тому +1

      @@Kintsugi23 as a fan of her it makes me sick. She doesn't deserve that

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap Рік тому +8

      can you stop throwing the word toxic around at everything. if someone is an actual predator and a raging narcissist who actually abuses people, "toxic" is not an apt word. you need stronger words for that.

  • @Ari_elf95
    @Ari_elf95 Рік тому +36

    The plot points that go nowhere is the same thing that happened in euphoria. People need to stop funding Sam Levinson’s pet projects

  • @rubixqueer
    @rubixqueer Рік тому +8

    Sam Levinson has less talent and creativity than a 14 year old AO3 writer.

  • @panimations23
    @panimations23 Рік тому +26

    A random, obscure, 5-episode show that will leave a permanent mark for whoever lay eyes upon it. Wonder how many of those are around.

    • @zachdave2994
      @zachdave2994 Рік тому

      HBO front runner shows are not obscure. They’re multi-million dollar productions with millions of fans clamoring for pre-screeners. Plenty of young women love Sam’s work.

  • @oculism5158
    @oculism5158 Рік тому +42

    if you're wondering how the weeknd signed up for this role: he was the one who pitched the show to HBO. He started it out with "If I really wanted to, I could easily start a massive cult."
    I think halfway through development he ended up watching Euphoria and really thought Sam would do something good for the show, but due to a lack of experience and just skill in general didn't know when to let him stop and just convinced himself it was good. From what I know Abel appears to kind of look up to him for some reason, so...
    should have had me direct it :p

  • @MikeyJBlakeJR
    @MikeyJBlakeJR Рік тому +45

    What was the new hairbrush thing supposed to symbolize? Was it just that she was caught lying about it being her mom's same hairbrush? Or that she got a brand new hairbrush for her to beat her with?
    Edit: After reading up about it, it turns out the hairbrush sequence was meant to communicate that Tedros realized that Jocelyn WAS lying about the hairbrush because she was never actually abused. It's meant to indicate that Jocelyn was actually the manipulative mastermind during the entire show. Her story about being abused with the hairbrush was supposed to garner sympathy from everyone so she could get them to do what she wanted... it makes absolutely no sense at all. Apparently, the final episode with this hairbrush reveal wasn't even written until they reached the end of production for the show as a whole, so this "twist" is an attempt to seem smart, but it doesn't work at all.

    • @Boithedoor
      @Boithedoor Рік тому +5

      The scene where they pretty much made Abel just say many things that you should not say to someone who has been abused in the past…
      I didn’t think that scene would put more hate in my heart than Amy Schumer

    • @Iluvpie6
      @Iluvpie6 Рік тому +26

      I suspect it’s something like “she is trying to “turn over a new leaf” with the exposé and the new direction in her career, but she’s just renewing the same cycle that her mom taught her through the abuse without learning from it meaningfully”
      But it could just as easily be “she is erasing the memory of her mom’s abuse by getting a NEW hairbrush to replace the one she was beat with and now SHE’S in control”
      Neither makes sense, but both are the kind of pretentious nonsense that Levinson and co. get off to

    • @nahhhbruhhh
      @nahhhbruhhh Рік тому +5

      It was literally just to show that she was lying about the abuse

    • @MikeyJBlakeJR
      @MikeyJBlakeJR Рік тому +2

      @@Iluvpie6 "Pretentious" is definitely what it is, regardless. Haha

    • @rifath8152
      @rifath8152 Рік тому +1

      @@nahhhbruhhh why would she lie about that

  • @mustbshady
    @mustbshady Рік тому +4

    Lol you're literally the only UA-camr or person in general who would acknowledge these stuff in a sensible manner,about sums you up
    You a real one fam

  • @esmebaby
    @esmebaby Рік тому +104

    I heard it was cut 1 episode short because the last episode was so raunchy and the show was receiving so much hate they decided to end it at 5 episodes.
    ALSO: they had a female Director don’t know her name, but the Weeknd said that she was focusing too much on Jocelyn‘s character and not on his character so he fired her and brought the guy Director in… the weekend was the executive producer, so basically all of the decisions went by him………..

    • @MbitaChizi
      @MbitaChizi Рік тому +1

      I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.

    • @Matt-dp7ze
      @Matt-dp7ze Рік тому +32

      Episode 6 was probably just a high budget version of something you could find on illicit websites.

    • @stanclark8824
      @stanclark8824 Рік тому

      so must have been a high production porn episode hahaha

    • @ngprentee
      @ngprentee Рік тому +16

      What if It’s no longer SOFTcore porn by episode 6

    • @fathergascoigne1457
      @fathergascoigne1457 Рік тому

      ​@@MbitaChizi

  • @u1travi0l3nce
    @u1travi0l3nce Рік тому +190

    the premise of the show definitely had potential. i would've loved to see it without the over-sexualization (and the weeknd) because i did enjoy some of the cinematography and the music was great. the plot point of jocelyn being the one actually in control all along and willing to go to such lengths (like lying about abuse) in order to create her music could've been such a good idea to further explore without all the unnecessary pornographic content to overshadow it. i might be biased because i'm a fan of blackpink, but i definitely wish that jennie's role, dyanne, had had a much bigger role to add more conflict and represent how brutal the industry can be, especially at the expense of friendships between women. tedros in general was completely unnecessary. jocelyn could've found a muse in a plain romantic interest, it really didn't have to be a scumbag guy who abuses and tries to exploit her. the conflict could focus more on the industry aspect of things, between dyanne, the press, the pressure and shadiness of jocelyn's team and label. it had potential to be an artistic series that shows the highs and lows of an idol's career but was sadly soured by sam levinson and his disgusting need to make any and every situation sexual.

    • @kcototheyoyoyo
      @kcototheyoyoyo Рік тому +3

      Lying about abuse🌞

    • @u1travi0l3nce
      @u1travi0l3nce Рік тому +2

      @@kcototheyoyoyo yeah, the scene over the hairbrush being new at the end of ep 5 was supposed to be an indicator that jocelyn wasn't telling the truth about her mom, also the whole thing with xander. at least, that's how i understood it.

    • @ellecimz6618
      @ellecimz6618 Рік тому

      Yeah it's sad his shows are aesthetically pleasing and artsy but his storylines Are cringe. What a waste

    • @aDriveAway
      @aDriveAway Рік тому

      I don't think the over-sexualization overshadowed it much at all. I think largely it served both Jocelyn and Tedros' character and the small satirical elements the show possessed. but I am curious how different the original version was. I imagine the friendship angle would've been explored more (Jennie barely suspected Jocelyn being behind the legal obstruction of putting out the single in the finale), but then it got cancelled. I think at the beginning, Tedros was an intriguing villain and a nice foil to the music industry - a sort of "pimp" and "savior" that's able to demonstrate the hypnotic power of the human voice and charisma (pop music)... but then the show attempts to portray him as a victim, and in my opinion, doesn't work as well, even though it's more original to make Jocelyn more of a perpetrator and complicit in the manipulation and exploitation that's going on.
      but I respect your opinion. It's clear you watched the series and understood it, not many commentors have or do.

  • @ranielle9271
    @ranielle9271 Рік тому +7

    That ending feels like a "bad end" of a Visual Novel.

  • @supdude6968
    @supdude6968 Рік тому +3

    "The Greatest Trick The Abuser Ever Pulled Was Convincing The Victim That They Are In Control."