Based on some BTS pictures and info I've gleaned, the show was originally about Jocelyn being a Disney TV-esque teen idol trying to transition to being an adult pop star, and her story was basically a mixture of what happened with Britney Spears and Hannah Montana. It was supposed to be commentary on how the media treats young famous girls, especially how Hollywood preys on them on a systemic level. And them Levinson got his cum-riddled hands all over the project
The fact that she's bragging about the show on her social media shows you how manipulative Hollywood is. Used her to get her clothes off and convinced her she was making something groundbreaking just so they can bust nuts.
Fun Fact: TheWeeknd didn't "sign up" for his pre-written role. Him and the director CO-WROTE THIS SHOW. Both are equally responsible for this absolute catastrophical mess.
@@eternity3822 It isn’t. It’s loosely based on Britney Spears. Selena Gomez isn’t really a singer. She’s more of an actress. And she’s never had a public breakdown. She’s also not heavily sexualized. They said it themselves, it’s about Britney.
Looking at Levinson's recent works, I genuinely believe he just gets off on shows that portray seemingly underage girls naked and extremely sexualized. Someones gotta look into this dude.
The wild thing about this show is that there was a female director who initially shot it and from what I can gather, it was a very different vibe with a lot more charter development. Something happened when she had almost finished filming which forced her to quit/ be fired from the project and Sam came in and reshot everything under his direction. I cannot agree more with you that this was shot as literally a barely legal almost porn for Sam's enjoyment. I think part of what he really gets off on is manipulating these "actors" to perform in this twisted shit by calling it art and by "fooling" the public to see it the same way. I promise you, Sam Levinson probably has the most disturbing dark life hiding inside him and one of these days it's all going to come spilling out and everyone will be horrified.
@@BlairAnsor I cannot even begin to comprehend what sick shit is in his head. I have watched some really fucked up cinema in my time but it has never felt as autoerotic from the directional point as this.
@@cleoc6698 i haven't seen the show although im a fan of The Weeknd so since you're much more educated on the subject and you know how the series was shot do you think it was the weeknd's fault of this bad outcome or the directors? cuz many comments have said that abel and the director are at fault if you could answer that'd be great
I get the feeling the show's creator is one of those guys where if you asked him "why don't you just make porn" he'd reply. "I don't make porn like some degenerate. I make ART."
Bro we though after Velma that there wouldn't be another terrible show like it. Have a good night's rest now cause there will be a another bad show coming soon.
It’s the weeknds show, so he genuinely wrote/helped write his character. originally they had a women director but the weeknd fired her as he felt the show needed more of a man’s vision instead of a woman’s perspective lmao. then he recruited sam to help him finish the show
Just trying to imagine *The Truman Show* ending with Christof just being “the real world is ugly out there… nothing bad happens here, it’s all about you” and Truman just sitting for a second and goes “Yea… you’re right” then just sails back home.
The way they really tried to spin it that Jocelyn was the one in control after treating her like an animal the entire series is more insulting than anything
Yeah thats something I still don’t quite understand. Why go through the trouble of showing Jocelyn as this mentally unwell, traumatized and broken girl just to turn around and change the cannon in one episode (6 weeks). You have to build up to something like that lol
@@CrystalRose1111 I swear they only did it because everyone was ripping Sam and The Weeknd up for being the worst kind of misogynist, so they thought "oh shit! We better draft some feminism angle for the finale in 30 minutes!" And that's why the episode is so confusing
@@gut853 Abel (the Weeknd) threw out the old script that had 6 episodes and was written by a woman, and just injected his take on it. That’s why there’s only 5. I actually listen to The Weeknd’s music and the whole show just sounds like his last album. All that “I’m a bad man I’m a terrible guy” shit felt familiar lmao
If this show was a commentary about the music industry then they really went "Sure we exploited our vulnerable underaged talent with cult tactics, but in reality they were they ones exploiting us 😭🥺."
Sam Levinson treating a $75 million dollar show like I treated my 5th grade science project: super invested at first then by the time it was supposed to wrap up, just doing the bare minimum to get it over with whether it made sense or not, all while pretending it was planned out all along.
I like how Charlie can be, "This awful thing exists!" and I can never have heard of it at all, and then Charlie can give the most in-depth rundown like the most fanatical fan of all time!
I don’t even think Jocelyn ever wore a sweater or a full size shirt that didn’t have her nips protruding through like blades. It was just a weird fetish fantasy for these creators with some fake deep message.
She said she wanted to do that, and wanted more scenes like that. Which is fine by itself. However when the whole initial premise for this show (before Mr. Euphoria dood and Abel took over production/writing) is about how women or people in general are exploited by the industry, *unwillingly*, it is absolutely the dumbest and most tonedeaf response you could give. Not only that but it becomes apparent she did not take on the role for the right reasons imo.
@@Tayl0r_ oh definitely! I think they are all just too focused on the edginess. Like in the first episode when they bullied and locked that dude who was the intimacy coordinator because he was “too much”. I just think it’s funny that they try to give it a profound message. But it was really sloppy edgy soft core porn.
When they decided to retool their show about (supposedly) exploring women’s exploitation because it had “too much of a female perspective,” I knew exactly where this shit was going
Just hearing about it makes me 100% believe the creators wanted to normalize staying in abusive relationships. That's the message i got from it at least. Because WHY stay with someone that's trying to manipulate, abuse and control you?
@@lachlanchester8142 we already know it's happening... So why make a show where the victim stays? Why not have her character break free? See her escape? Because showing HOW to leave a partner like that can be very dangerous. So yes, they are normalizing abusive relationships imo. Nothing about this show are about building that spine, standing up for yourself! The main character effing forgive the abuser AGAIN. What message are they sending here??
@@lachlanchester8142 they are 100% justifying and normalizing these actions. Because we already know these things happen. But what we are in NEED of, are how to LEAVE these situations. How to spot the abus3er ect. See the patterns. Not something like this.. Where the abus3er gets forgiven... Because he is the "true love" of the victim? The one being manipulated and lied to are forgiving the guy who wanted to control her...
@@lachlanchester8142 There's a fine line between "Bad ending" and downright unacceptable. Look at the whiplash movie or every single wrong turn movie, hell even saw has better endings. They have "bad endings" but they don't come across as bad as this plus the "bad endings" differ from movie to movie too. Whiplash had a bad ending because the protagonist succumbed to his obsession, saw and wrong turn has bad endings because it had dead protagonists (sometimes). In short movies like whiplash (ie not horror) had bad endings but graceful delivery of messages, while movies with horror tags tend to be straight forward (ie dead protagonists) and since the idol is not horror it "should" have a meaningful bad ending like whiplash
The sad thing is TheWeekend basically wrote his whole character. He wanted a lot of creative control and its pretty evident. Feels like this was collection of episodes made to promote a new album he has coming out.
I also think they had an episode 6 made but decided to cut it and end the show abruptly rather than have an episode that leads to a possible season 2, which we know isn't going to happen anymore.
@@zavthe1371 yeah cause it looked bad, but I am pretty sure Velma never had a scene where a guy beats a girl with a brush the same way her mother abused her with???
Sam Levinson also wrote something called Malcolm and Marie, which is about an supposedly brilliant film director on the brink of greatness who hates how movie critics and Marie can’t understand the genius his work. He admits it was based off a real life argument with his wife. Dude basically made a whole movie to try and win an argument with his wife lol
i whole heartedly believe they kicked out the original director to steal her work and ruin it as much as they could to destroy the concept for the future because people will call back on how bad the idol so that people cant actually make real shit talking about how abusive Hollywood is to the young women trapped inside it.
It pisses me off knowing that we'll NEVER get to see the original script from the original director before she was fired. Apparently the story was so good the editors said they couldn't put the pages down. And now we got the degen version of this.
@@theepicchipmunk2011 Basically namebrand. In HBO's eyes, Sam and the Weekend are more well-known compared to Amy Seimetz (The original female director for Idol before she got fired). So basically HBO fired the potential greatest show of all time just for popularity celeb names.
@@tunakimbap1 The Weeknd was part of the original show too though right? I read he's the one that's responsible for turning the show into this but maybe that's not accurate
@@tannerparks6030 Apparently The Weeknd felt the show's direction was leaning too much into the "female perspective" and suggested they overhaul the script/director etc.
@@tunakimbap1 "Potential greatest show of all time because someone maybe said something about another thing I never saw or read anything about" B there are Golden Retrievers less gullible than you
Knowing Euporia, abandoning half-baked plot points is a staple of Sam Levinson's writing. Having no cohesion doesn't really mean that the show was cut short.
Yeah, what ever happened to Rue owing money to that drug peddling lady? Or why was Jules missing for more than half of the show only to fall for Dominic Pike? Why did Fez's house turn into the opening scene of Sicario? Who spent so much money on a high school play? Did the school authorities approve it? Why was Nate's dad looking for transwomen in Scruff? So many questions, so little time.
It's insane that Lily actually became Jocelyn in real life, getting used and groomed by men around her, fetishizing her. The saddest part is that she thinks it was okay, and that she was doing something meaningful and artistic. I feel bad for her, growing up in Hollywood probably didn't help at all either.
It’s rarely been something that’s been helpful or good for anyone in that god forsaken business. It’s typically a very bad thing and it doesn’t surprise me that it’s been that way for decades, it’ll probably always be this way.
@@WynnWynn-gl3fkNo one really talked about that at all and no you are wrong, it is heart disease. Nice try with your misandry. And also, if you define having to put everyone through labour as being "mean" then you are the exact problem this video stands against.
Levinson strikes me as a guy who wants to make adult movies, but without the sleaziness attached to it, so he turns his content into TV shows. It also feels like the only thing stopping him from producing even sleazier stuff is his actors' refusal.
"Having something to play his skin flute to" Charlie really understands how important colorful ways to describe certain activities are for top tier content. Always appreciated.
I also find it hilarious how a lot of articles and reviewers mentions Abel as the "Attempted Actor" starring in the Idol like they're telling him nah just go back to singing bruh 💀
I was legitimately nauseated 🤢 at the end. The “twist” is they are both horrible people? It made zero sense. None. Ssoo abusers win? Is the only take away🤦🏽♀️
i think the worst part for me is when i'd occasionally see abel's tweets about the show and his character. and so many of his fans are talking about the TEDRUSSY, they love his character, etc. part of me worries that some of them.. aren't memeing and are actually serious? they like a cult manipulator weirdo and its scary. haven't really seen any of them defend the show so much as "oh its sad we won't see the rest of abels plans for this show"
I mean, Jared Leto also still has fans. dude went full cult jesus a couple years ago. and people pay him money to listen to his bullshit. a lot of people are just like that. that can be scary. but at least, theyre not actively trying to harm you. theyre just being weird somewhere else.
@@TheSuperappelflap definitely longer than a couple of years ago. I knew the guy who directed one of his music videos for 30 seconds to Mars and he said when he went to Leto's house he had like a legion of young women on computers doing his social media. wtf? Also heard some horrible stories about him doing signatures for fans, like one woman recalling when she was 16 or something and when she went to get an autograph from Leto, he said "which one do you want me to sign?" referring to her breasts. Pretty terrible person.
@@ThePatank yeah i mean, i dont even bat an eye at that story, dudes completely deranged. i was more referring to the personality cult he started a couple years ago. hes hosting multiple day retreats now where people pay thousands just to listen to his spiritual speeches while hes literally standing there in a white dress.
I was at the LA Weeknd concert where they shot some of the end scenes, and I honestly didn't know what was going on at the time, but man... I can't believe I actually witnessed this dumpster fire live with my own two eyes. All I know is I won't be going to another concert of his bc he gave me the permanent ick from his acting.
This is why the writers are on strike, Imagine getting the scripts and being told, "We need these fixed, so the show will be good. We'll pay you for an hour's work, because you're just editing, the scripts are already done."
@@billmelater6470 Studios are already taking outlines and using those instead, or coercing work out of people for a couple dollars. They're destroying writers' rooms across the industry to save money. That's why plots make less sense and everything is a reboot/sequel. Pay for an hour's work, take that script and just demand that the cast use it. When it falls apart, hire a different writer for an hour to "fix" it.
This whole show could’ve been saved if it ended with a scene of the Weeknd sitting in a producer’s office across from a horrified exec who asks “…and what would you call this show?” and he answers “The Aristocrats!”
I haven't watched the show, but by your descriptions alone it reminds me of the kind of 'misery pôrn' I watched during the worst of my mental illness several years ago.
The crazy thing is there’s an actual fanbase out there for this show now and they tell people *You just don’t understand what the show is trying to tell you* lmao
@@kylecunningham9793 such profundity in such few words! My goodness, I am amazed! Now how about you return your mother dearest her mobile terminal device and go get a life, strapping young lad?
@@hakugen3479 You realize that this makes objectively no sense in comparison to what the original poster said? Be butthurt about TLOU 2 if you must( literally years later at this point 😒) but at least put some effort into it come on lol
I would like to point out a lot of this show was also based on The Weeknd's time dating Selena/Selena's life as well as VERY clearly Britney Spears. He's a toxic narcissist so it tracks that he'd work with Sam Levinson. You can say "oh he didn't know" all you want, but that's bull and you know it.
The twist that Jocelyn lied about her mother’s abuse really left a bad taste in my mouth. Jocelyn’s character was pretty clearly inspired by stars like Britney Spears or Jennette McCurdy, both of whom have been very open about the abuse they faced from both their families and the industry, and to base a character on that kind of trauma only to reveal she was making it all up seems in very poor taste.
@@intuitionedits2.032 Oh absolutely. Which is even more gross because, as an ex, she probably opened up to him about a lot of this and he used it as material for his show.
can you stop throwing the word toxic around at everything. if someone is an actual predator and a raging narcissist who actually abuses people, "toxic" is not an apt word. you need stronger words for that.
You guys don’t understand how embarrassing it is to be a fan of someone who played such a huge hand in creating this absolute catastrophe. The Weeknd is genuinely killing me.
16:03 what they are saying is actually even WORSE than what you brought up. With the hair brush, they are trying to say that Jocelyn knew all along and was playing the role of a manipulated victim so that she can use Tedros in order to write good music. Like she's the one who "ACTUALLY" orcastrated all the abuse "on purpose" for her music. it's sick, especially if the message they said (before the show came out) they were trying to relay was the difficult lives of female stars. So what now, they are saying Britney Spears, Selena Gomez types purposefully go through trauma for the sake of being idolized more and having better music????
you know in the first 15 minutes that it is deeply misogynist. They have her crying and talk about her breaking down like Britney, while filming it in a pornographic way. What kind of man is turned on by a hurt woman that is crying? FUCKED UP
the fact that just this final episode stacked this with the fake rape accusation plot point is sooooo foul sam levinson deserves actual jailtime for script this offensively bad
I think they failed horribly at it, but I belive the point is, predators are among all types of people in that world of Hollywood, I don't have a hard time believing some famous people have stepped on others before
The idea wasnt what was bad. It was the execution. The idea of Jocelyn being a manipulator and outplaying the player is a good story. It isnt sick just because youre uncomfortable with it. The issue was that it was a lazily constructed story and played like an excuse for the writer to have a wank instead of being interested in the character and plot development. The problem was that the characters were incoherent and the story telling lacked talent. They wasted alot of runtime on gratuitous sex that served no purpose, when there was alot of exposition that they needed to set up that they would then just tack on after the fact. As a result it felt rushed and forced, like Jocelyn did a full 180°.
Euphoria was well recieved and they thought "the sex! sex is the answer!" when in reality Zendaya carried the show. The Weekend is NOT carrying this show. 💀💀💀 Edit: It doesn't matter who is a good actor and who isnt. The Idol has dogshit writing, I dont think anyone could have saved it.
idk i never watched it, but i did see a few other things she was in and i can tell you that woman couldnt out-act a piece of cardboard, she has 0 charisma or acting talent. she also looks underage and unattractive. unfortunately i will have to endure her again when Dune 2 comes out but i think im just skipping over most of the scenes she is in.
Work with two girls at the bar I’m at, and they both said they loved it… I was shocked “People who don’t like that show probably have awful sex” Like being kinky is tied to being some weird shitty person too. The girl who gave me that quote is a personal trainer and hits the clubs 3 nights a week minimum so I guess I should not be too shocked. Just wild to hear women supporting it
There is a way you can write a villain winning at the end and make it work. Doing it the way this show has goes beyond a villain of a fictional property winning and says "no, whoever made this actually believes rapists deserve to win."
Yeah I thought that was weird. Like nobody was rooting for Tedros to win, but he still gets a happy ending. That’s how you know The Weeknd had a hand in writing this shit lol
@@CrystalRose1111one movie where the villain "wins" and it was done well, was the movie "no country for old men" pretty much all the "good guys" fail in that movie, and the most evil one, walks away
@@Originalchilise7en, the dark knight, infinity war, silence of the lambs, phone booth, nightcrawler, primal fear, and the usual suspects all do that too lol
I’d never fall asleep after being enthralled by Charles natural storytelling abilities, Charles would put 1001 Arabian nights to shame by orating one million and one spins of the yarn.
This is 100% a fantasy fanfic written by the director/male writers lmao. Like they having the female characters say they like "rapey vibes", they are making it seem like abuse= artistic freedom or some shit, and then wtf is that ending. Like wtf is the message of the show lmaoo? Who is the target audience of this show?
This whole show screams "It's not rape and abuse she wanted it, in fact she MADE me do it, she's not a victim she's greedy and is exploiting my talent all along." In other words "It never happened, it's not my fault, it's your fault and you deserved it.".
sometimes i say i'm disgusted by certain tv shows as a joke, but like this show actually makes me want to mainline cyanide. this is such a gross message to send, especially post me-too (it's an evil message either way, but it's exceptionally bold and disgusting to make a show like this now)
One of Tedros’ protégées is a 17 year old girl and on her introductory episode they filmed multiple closeup shots of her bare chest as she roams around Jocelyn’s house naked 💀
I've heard the original script was very different but the Director and editors maimed the crap out of it because, and I quote, "it's too much from the female POV." So someone wrote a good (or at least decent) story about a woman surviving in the sleazy idol industry, and they wiped out all of that in favor of being what they thought men would be more interested in.
'i've heard" yeah all of you heard from an article with 0 source. jesus christ the way yall blatantly spread misinformation and dont care about it just cuz the show isnt good is so gross
@@Novafan then why'd you say anything? You knew the same thing and moaned able everyone saying that without a source cited. Though I've heard mixed things on the editors loving it to this. It's not a criticism anymore, it's literally just some guy's fap crap. What's the critique it's giving, that abusers can stay with their victims? That sex everywhere is fine? Nah man, it's just cringe.
I made it to 8 minutes before my eyes glazed over and I started wondering what I’ll have for dinner. Not even Charlie can make this show sound interesting. That’s almost impressive.
I genuinely feel bad for Lily Rose Depp. This was her breakout role, and she really thought most likely that she was offered a great opportunity to work with the likes of the Weeknd and Sam Levinson. And now the show has absolutely tanked. This really is the kind of show that ruins the careers of people involved. Hope it’s not the case for her :/
@@kelseylandon1224 what do you mean? I mean you don’t know her. I can’t imagine you could judge her as a person based on probably something you read online
By all accounts, I've heard she played her character really well (despite the circumstances) so hopefully she can take advantage of the attention and get roles that are actually worthwhile
@@makstracy from the two episodes I watched, yeah she definitely did better than anyone else at least. Unfortunately, Hollywood has a tendency to basically blacklist actor who were associated with a widely hated property, despite a good performance. Brutal industry.
@@lucasrios2089but didn't the weekend and sam levison entirely change the script after the original script was 80 percent done? So did she even intentionally sign up for this bs or was she contractually obligated. But it's weird how she's been constantly defending Sam and Abel over this mess
Eventhough this show is over, it likely won't stop Levinson in making more stuff like this. Depends if the HBO executives still trust him, i hope not. Everyone who worked on this series should be ashamed of themselves
See, hearing this makes me convinced that contrary to what Sam Levinson and The Weeknd were saying, HBO did cut the show short and forced them to wrap it up as quickly as possible to make sure it never gets another season.
The upsetting part of this whole thing is that there was a very interesting story here, a real story, but instead they threw it away and made soft core fetish porn.
this! it truly could've been something. i would have enjoyed actually focusing on Jocelyn's potential story, it would have been interesting. but they focused solely on nudity and sexuality and the story was left in the dust.
If actresses stopped taking their tops off in front of the camera, stuff like this might happen less. Money must be more important than integrity I guess
there's bits and pieces of something good here' but it is executed terribly and buried beneath weeknd and sams weird f3t1shes and bad writing........i feel bad for the actually good actors doing their best.
@@WhiteWolf-lm7gj Are they put under pressure to do it? Yes. Are they over sexualized? Yes. But at the same time, they know what they're getting into. They willingly sign these contracts knowing what the industry is like towards women. Is it wrong to say, the actresses, grown adults, should have some culpability? I don't think so. Men already objectify women, so why do women have to add to it? They can say it's for the sake of art, but at the same time you've got men making compilation videos of actresses naked. I feel like things would be better if more women just refused to bare it all. Movies already have a terrible effect of influencing males to view women in an unhealthy way. Why make it worse?
I'm surprised there aren't more people talking about how Jennie, someone with arguably more fame than the weekend or Lily or Sam, was literally just a clout piece for this show. She's not a villain, not a friend, doesn't progress the story, she's in very few scenes with few lines, the most of her performance is a very sexual choreography scene, and she literally gets kicked out in the end . If her character was written out of the show it would have had no impact at all. She literally was just put into the show for clout , ratings, attention, and promotions. Edit: I guess a lot of people didn't see that I wrote "arguably" in this comment. Also, not knowing someone doesn't delete their fame. A teenager saying "I don't know Paul McCartny or Ozzy Osbourne" doesn't delete their status as legendary musicians. Or saying "I don't know markiplier or penguin0" doesn't make them any less famous youtubers. That logic of "If I haven't heard it they ain't famous" is just stupid.
SHE IS A GROWN ASS WOMAN NEARING 30 who choose to be in this and praised the director and is Friends with the Weekend why do you act like she was forced to do this ???
There’s going to be those people that are like “you have to watch the show to understand it” I think the plot of this show alone makes me understand NOT to watch it
The end of that giant musical number in the middle of the episode, where Jocelyn starts crawling on the floor like the girl from "The Ring", while singing 'Am I Playing Well Now, Daddy?' was some of the weirdest, honestly gross s××t I've ever seen from a show or movie where it's supposed to be sexy. And no one can claim it was supposed to be uncomfortable, cuz the record executive loved it. Also, I learned that Sam Levinson is a giant tool to work for because he never gives the crew plans on how to set up the day's shoots. He, instead, chooses to "feel it out" once he's there, which makes that part of the days run insanely long before people can be ready & then before the day can be over. Not leaving enough time til the next day's shoot, in an industry where days already, usually, run painfully long.
Wonder if he does it on purpose to lower the chance that actors might disagree with stuff. Like the sex scenes. An actor who just wants the day to be over is less likely to object to how a scene is shot and might even overstep their own boundaries.
@@0304dina Not a bad idea. Since he does the writing & directing of every episode, it puts him in a place of immense power. And I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way, it just does because there is no one actors can go to to change scences besides him. When he was doing Euphoria, I got the feeling he was trying to write an exaggerated version of what it was like when he was younger. Not necessarily biographical, but that he's the son of a very famous director, so he probably got into wild s××t. But back onto the subject of how he runs things & what you said, Zendaya had to put it in her contract she wouldn't do nudity anymore. That could have been cause the show was a hit, but it's more likely that everything with Sam's fly by night production style of "feeling out" shots would lead to exaggerated nudity. Even Lily Rose Depp.talked about how a lot of what she did in the show was freelance, which is crazy to think about because it really is a good character at the base. Hell, Chloe was a fantastic character - even Xander until he became a cult zombie - but the show would desend into random nudity, sex, or BDSM. I'm no shrinking violet or old lady, either... it was all just misplaced & unnecessary.
@@DoobieKeebler I can take sex as a plot device in a well-written show. This show however is sex (or whatever degree of SA it may be) with a shitty little plot around it. Nothing of substance, just a director and musician's barely concealed fetish. I wonder how many of the good scenes or character motivations were leftovers from the director they fired. Because I also read that Levinson heavily copied from an Israeli show that inspired Euphoria and that's why S1 didn't suck. One issue I have is that the "BDSM elements" are none. Just two people (after what transpired from the finale) trying to abuse and assault each other. With truly malicious intent. The consent given is in both cases is shaky at best. And yeah, it wouldn't suprise me if at least one actress (don't know about men in this case but they seem to be less of a target) felt violated, may it even be just in retrospect. I HOPE not but the chances aren't slim.
@@0304dina I loved how The Weeknd's first hit song was about doing too much coke, and that immediately became a long running plot point. "Tedros, baby, you've been doing too much blow" *feigns disinterest in what she just said* Or.... When she's mad he's still there & it cuts to him looking like he lost a boxing match with the bolivian marching powder. But in more serious notes, I think Hollywood plays BDSM in that kind of 50 Shades / The Secretary kind of way because they believe it plays better to take or be aggressive. Rather than getting consent and safe words and what people are OK / not OK with, except society does a piss poor job of teaching kids consent. There's a whole rabbit hole to go down with this sort of stuff. Another thing, Tedros wasn't even a good God damn cult leader. It would have been so much more... i dont know, if she was consenting to it, than when he was blindfloding her and f××king her real fast, etc. It felt like they didn't know what they wanted. The original point was that he was this cult leader, but then he's turned into a pied piper kind of pimp. I also don't think an article in Variety would destroy his life when he controls people like zombies, but what do I know about sex cults?
Charlie is the one human being where I can never tell when watching him if my Bluetooth headphones are in sync are not. Something about his mouth movements always tricks me into thinking he's out of sync.
my favorite part is when tedros gets arrested during a daytime scene, the second he goes outside with the police and is in the car, it’s completely nighttime. then cuts back to daylight in the singing showcase! so cool
The way I saw it is they tried to make Tedros the victim all along by making it seem like Jocelyn knew what he was doing but needed him to push her to help her make music but even with me explaining it, it still doesn’t make sense
Idk, poorly written plot aside, the way I saw it was that Jocelyn was using Tedros to make hits and needed him to believe she was this broken vulnerable person, long enough for him to get too invested/write enough songs. But the show doesn’t make it clear at which point Jocelyn changed her perspective, which was infuriating lol
It doesn’t make sense because we even see her in private moments. She didn’t know that he was sleeping with Chloe. She presumably did not know that he framed her ex for rape.
@@Official_Tedros Yeah i see what you’re saying, the problem is that most people don’t really give a shit about the reality of Industry life. What regular lay person cares about that. The show was way too raunchy for the average person, and the abuse scenes were probably very triggering for most, especially for victims of abuse watching the show. As someone who listens to The Weeknd’s music, the show just feels like it was written by him. Makes me feel like Abel had some personal experience being that character in real life type shit lol
Charlie should write erotica,"Using her as a portal to the honkers dimension" absolutely slayed me Also there seems to be a lot of instances of garbage writing getting enabled by promotions and extra seasons, so i wouldn't put it past MAX to continue this fetish fuel.
When I worked at Walmart, my supervisor overheard a couple 'raw-dogging it' in the dressing rooms. And he went over the intercom. "There is a wet spill in the dressing rooms. Maintenance please report to the dressing rooms."
It gets better, apparently that wasn't the only time. There were also people who worked at walmart also getting it on. In the FREEZER. With food. and cold. On top of doing that while on the clock, doing that around food, it was in the freezer on top of everything. (no pun intended) They did it a few times before being caught and fired. I *wonder* why.
I think I heard originally the show was centered more around the female lead and her struggle as a star being exploited when it had its original director who was a woman. She left during a creative overhaul and Sam became the director. The Weeknd complained that it was not about his character enough.
Don't cry because it happened.
Smile because it's over.
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I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
Very true words
I exposed Charlie mate 💀
Words to live by
Based on some BTS pictures and info I've gleaned, the show was originally about Jocelyn being a Disney TV-esque teen idol trying to transition to being an adult pop star, and her story was basically a mixture of what happened with Britney Spears and Hannah Montana. It was supposed to be commentary on how the media treats young famous girls, especially how Hollywood preys on them on a systemic level. And them Levinson got his cum-riddled hands all over the project
Now I wonder what the show would be like if Amy (the previous director) stayed
Honestly I would rather see that then what we got
Gee I wonder why they wouldn't want a show exploring that topic to be made.
so american perfect blue but bad
And then he proved Hollywood is that lmao
The fact that she's bragging about the show on her social media shows you how manipulative Hollywood is. Used her to get her clothes off and convinced her she was making something groundbreaking just so they can bust nuts.
Exactly my sentiment about this show ,Charlie kinda missed the angle with Lily Depp and prepping her to be a train wreck
Why are you acting like she 5 years old and can't make her own decisions?
@@diahreea2022because she has grown up in hollywood and obviously been groomed to think this is okay
Of course she was going to promote the show what did you expect?
@@ranniwolves there's thousands of people who grew up in Hollywood who aren't doing this
The existence of this show is the proof we have that all the real writers are all on strike
The script was written for the show. Years ago. Shows don’t get written, produced, filmed and edited in less then 3 months 🙃
@@BlairAnsor The original version was not the Sam Levinson and the Weekend version. They co wrote it together way more recently.
@@jaydes4860 I know that, even with the script changes. What I said still holds
@@BlairAnsor majority of the script was changed by the new director and by the weekend, for the worst.
They rewrote the script...
@@BlairAnsor🙃
Fun Fact: TheWeeknd didn't "sign up" for his pre-written role. Him and the director CO-WROTE THIS SHOW. Both are equally responsible for this absolute catastrophical mess.
It’s weird bc I was a huge fan of the Weeknd but this show seems to be written by someone who’s never touched a woman before
Show is about Selena gomez
Sounds about right
@@eternity3822 It isn’t. It’s loosely based on Britney Spears. Selena Gomez isn’t really a singer. She’s more of an actress. And she’s never had a public breakdown. She’s also not heavily sexualized. They said it themselves, it’s about Britney.
@@Angel_Auraashe’s both
Hey man don't compare this show to tumblr fan fiction, at least some tumblr fan fiction has passion and effort put into it
Shit at least Tumblr fanfic realizes the evil boyfriend needs at least ONE humane quality so he isn't a walking clown the entire time.
My kind of Tumblr fanfiction is just wholesome cottagecore ships.
SOME Tumblr fanfics. The rest are just low effort self insertions.
Yeah Charlie "Horrible Show I've made three videos about gushing over is Finally over". Typical narcissistic fake.
To be fair, he said erotic fan fiction. Don't defend that crap.
Looking at Levinson's recent works, I genuinely believe he just gets off on shows that portray seemingly underage girls naked and extremely sexualized.
Someones gotta look into this dude.
That’s what I’ve been saying since Euphoria
Then why don’t you look into him? Call the cops. Bring the militia with you. Or you know murder him bc you suspect it
Last name checks out
@@spoiledsalad1851 oh, he directed that too. Makes sense, he might genuinely be a pervert.
The peoblem is women like to be sex objects
The wild thing about this show is that there was a female director who initially shot it and from what I can gather, it was a very different vibe with a lot more charter development. Something happened when she had almost finished filming which forced her to quit/ be fired from the project and Sam came in and reshot everything under his direction. I cannot agree more with you that this was shot as literally a barely legal almost porn for Sam's enjoyment. I think part of what he really gets off on is manipulating these "actors" to perform in this twisted shit by calling it art and by "fooling" the public to see it the same way. I promise you, Sam Levinson probably has the most disturbing dark life hiding inside him and one of these days it's all going to come spilling out and everyone will be horrified.
Literally
@@BlairAnsor I cannot even begin to comprehend what sick shit is in his head. I have watched some really fucked up cinema in my time but it has never felt as autoerotic from the directional point as this.
@@cleoc6698 i haven't seen the show although im a fan of The Weeknd so since you're much more educated on the subject and you know how the series was shot do you think it was the weeknd's fault of this bad outcome or the directors? cuz many comments have said that abel and the director are at fault if you could answer that'd be great
That wouldn't be too surprising
@@swagy_gaming4745 after the original writer/director was fired, both levinson and the weeknd rewrote it
I get the feeling the show's creator is one of those guys where if you asked him "why don't you just make porn" he'd reply. "I don't make porn like some degenerate. I make ART."
Please that’s so accurate 💀💀
thats such a good read
Most porn is made by his people already.
Wait till he learns that most porn requires artistry because making sex look good isn't exactly easy.
@@chukyuniqul wait till he learns most porn is made by Jews
You always know a show is gonna be bad when it only exists to show off the actors, and the storyline is just an added spice.
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And its secondary purpose is just to rake in some easy cash lol
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@@PaintingWinterMusichonestly a porno would of made more money. Does the same thing. Minimal story, story is forgotten and sex/nudity.
My videos are worse than Charlie’s videos
I actually think this is a victory for all of us. We all deserve a good night’s rest knowing that this show is officially over.
Maybe that's why I haven't been sleeping well
Bro we though after Velma that there wouldn't be another terrible show like it.
Have a good night's rest now cause there will be a another bad show coming soon.
@@Pekology NOOOO 😭😭
Just your opinon though, i'm sure some people enjoyed the show.
It’s the weeknds show, so he genuinely wrote/helped write his character. originally they had a women director but the weeknd fired her as he felt the show needed more of a man’s vision instead of a woman’s perspective lmao. then he recruited sam to help him finish the show
i liked weeknd music but it turnts out he is a creep who likes underage girls ?
@@troller2897wouldn’t be surprised
Ew
Just trying to imagine *The Truman Show* ending with Christof just being “the real world is ugly out there… nothing bad happens here, it’s all about you” and Truman just sitting for a second and goes “Yea… you’re right” then just sails back home.
You know what's sad is some of these writers would choose that and glorify it.
VICE CITY IS STILL BETTER
@@islandboy9381 TOMMY VERCETTI IS A BETTER WRITER
Great choice of a pfp
@@ReaperCH90 why NOT A VICE CITY PFP
The way they really tried to spin it that Jocelyn was the one in control after treating her like an animal the entire series is more insulting than anything
Yeah thats something I still don’t quite understand. Why go through the trouble of showing Jocelyn as this mentally unwell, traumatized and broken girl just to turn around and change the cannon in one episode (6 weeks). You have to build up to something like that lol
@@CrystalRose1111 I swear they only did it because everyone was ripping Sam and The Weeknd up for being the worst kind of misogynist, so they thought "oh shit! We better draft some feminism angle for the finale in 30 minutes!" And that's why the episode is so confusing
@@gut853 Abel (the Weeknd) threw out the old script that had 6 episodes and was written by a woman, and just injected his take on it. That’s why there’s only 5. I actually listen to The Weeknd’s music and the whole show just sounds like his last album. All that “I’m a bad man I’m a terrible guy” shit felt familiar lmao
@@gut853 that's not how tv productions work lmao. They shoot an entire season in a single production, not on a weekly basis
If this show was a commentary about the music industry then they really went "Sure we exploited our vulnerable underaged talent with cult tactics, but in reality they were they ones exploiting us 😭🥺."
Sam Levinson treating a $75 million dollar show like I treated my 5th grade science project: super invested at first then by the time it was supposed to wrap up, just doing the bare minimum to get it over with whether it made sense or not, all while pretending it was planned out all along.
Was your fifth grade science project just softcore p0rn or did it have a purpose beyond that
I like how Charlie can be, "This awful thing exists!" and I can never have heard of it at all, and then Charlie can give the most in-depth rundown like the most fanatical fan of all time!
I sometimes wonder if Charlie is a masochist after seeing him review multiple shows like this.
You can't say something sucks until you've sat through at least an episode.
Why five? Fur the extra proof of it sucking
He's doing it so we don't have to
I don’t even think Jocelyn ever wore a sweater or a full size shirt that didn’t have her nips protruding through like blades. It was just a weird fetish fantasy for these creators with some fake deep message.
yeah........which kinda sucks cause lily is a pretty good actress.
She said she wanted to do that, and wanted more scenes like that.
Which is fine by itself.
However when the whole initial premise for this show (before Mr. Euphoria dood and Abel took over production/writing) is about how women or people in general are exploited by the industry, *unwillingly*, it is absolutely the dumbest and most tonedeaf response you could give.
Not only that but it becomes apparent she did not take on the role for the right reasons imo.
@@Tayl0r_ oh definitely! I think they are all just too focused on the edginess. Like in the first episode when they bullied and locked that dude who was the intimacy coordinator because he was “too much”. I just think it’s funny that they try to give it a profound message. But it was really sloppy edgy soft core porn.
When they decided to retool their show about (supposedly) exploring women’s exploitation because it had “too much of a female perspective,” I knew exactly where this shit was going
The creators can make a real p0rn why would they spend all that money and time to see "nips" are y'all under I0?
A plot twist is something that catches you off guard, not something that makes you confused and barely understand.
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@@MbitaChizi homie I’m broke myself
@@m4xw3ll75 LMAO same
@@MbitaChiziAll I can manage is a cheeto and some lint.
@@MbitaChiziwhy would they give you a better camera for UA-cam subs..?
Is this a thing in family’s?
Just hearing about it makes me 100% believe the creators wanted to normalize staying in abusive relationships. That's the message i got from it at least. Because WHY stay with someone that's trying to manipulate, abuse and control you?
Not to normalise it, but to show that it does happen
@@lachlanchester8142 we already know it's happening... So why make a show where the victim stays? Why not have her character break free? See her escape? Because showing HOW to leave a partner like that can be very dangerous. So yes, they are normalizing abusive relationships imo. Nothing about this show are about building that spine, standing up for yourself! The main character effing forgive the abuser AGAIN. What message are they sending here??
@@lachlanchester8142 they are 100% justifying and normalizing these actions. Because we already know these things happen. But what we are in NEED of, are how to LEAVE these situations. How to spot the abus3er ect. See the patterns. Not something like this.. Where the abus3er gets forgiven... Because he is the "true love" of the victim? The one being manipulated and lied to are forgiving the guy who wanted to control her...
@@Somebody9666 shows can have bad endings though
@@lachlanchester8142 There's a fine line between "Bad ending" and downright unacceptable. Look at the whiplash movie or every single wrong turn movie, hell even saw has better endings. They have "bad endings" but they don't come across as bad as this plus the "bad endings" differ from movie to movie too. Whiplash had a bad ending because the protagonist succumbed to his obsession, saw and wrong turn has bad endings because it had dead protagonists (sometimes). In short movies like whiplash (ie not horror) had bad endings but graceful delivery of messages, while movies with horror tags tend to be straight forward (ie dead protagonists) and since the idol is not horror it "should" have a meaningful bad ending like whiplash
The sad thing is TheWeekend basically wrote his whole character. He wanted a lot of creative control and its pretty evident. Feels like this was collection of episodes made to promote a new album he has coming out.
I also think they had an episode 6 made but decided to cut it and end the show abruptly rather than have an episode that leads to a possible season 2, which we know isn't going to happen anymore.
Charlie is giving me the experience of having a housewife that tells me about the soap operas I have never seen when I get home from work.
underrated comment lmfaooo 💀👌🏼
Lmao my girlfriend calls his content drama for dudes
That's..... Very specific.
Ngl, the soap operas that your house-spouses watch are much more hilariously bad and interesting than these dogshit shows.
lol same. Charlie is best girl.
What's truly horrifying is how quickly someone was able to defeat "Velma" in the great contest to make the worst TV show possible
Personally, I still think Velma was worse. I could easily watch five episodes of this, but Velma couldn't get me to episode 3.
@@ibannashnahh, Velam to me just seemed cringe(didn’t watch it) but the idol made me feel sick.
this is not worse than velma
@@swetaroy716 you cant have an opinion if you didnt watch
@@zavthe1371 yeah cause it looked bad, but I am pretty sure Velma never had a scene where a guy beats a girl with a brush the same way her mother abused her with???
Sam Levinson also wrote something called Malcolm and Marie, which is about an supposedly brilliant film director on the brink of greatness who hates how movie critics and Marie can’t understand the genius his work. He admits it was based off a real life argument with his wife.
Dude basically made a whole movie to try and win an argument with his wife lol
It's more of the prices at the movie theater is outrageous people rather wait to have it on the streaming app
i whole heartedly believe they kicked out the original director to steal her work and ruin it as much as they could to destroy the concept for the future because people will call back on how bad the idol so that people cant actually make real shit talking about how abusive Hollywood is to the young women trapped inside it.
That is a very disturbing thought, I hope you are giving them way too much credit.
@@jurepec5779yes because she never touched the script. You guys are delusional.
It pisses me off knowing that we'll NEVER get to see the original script from the original director before she was fired. Apparently the story was so good the editors said they couldn't put the pages down.
And now we got the degen version of this.
Such a loss, why did they drop her?
@@theepicchipmunk2011 Basically namebrand. In HBO's eyes, Sam and the Weekend are more well-known compared to Amy Seimetz (The original female director for Idol before she got fired). So basically HBO fired the potential greatest show of all time just for popularity celeb names.
@@tunakimbap1 The Weeknd was part of the original show too though right? I read he's the one that's responsible for turning the show into this but maybe that's not accurate
@@tannerparks6030 Apparently The Weeknd felt the show's direction was leaning too much into the "female perspective" and suggested they overhaul the script/director etc.
@@tunakimbap1 "Potential greatest show of all time because someone maybe said something about another thing I never saw or read anything about" B there are Golden Retrievers less gullible than you
Knowing Euporia, abandoning half-baked plot points is a staple of Sam Levinson's writing. Having no cohesion doesn't really mean that the show was cut short.
Yeah, what ever happened to Rue owing money to that drug peddling lady? Or why was Jules missing for more than half of the show only to fall for Dominic Pike? Why did Fez's house turn into the opening scene of Sicario? Who spent so much money on a high school play? Did the school authorities approve it? Why was Nate's dad looking for transwomen in Scruff?
So many questions, so little time.
@@theunbearablejuanthat musical episode was the best episode of the whole series though
@@superjlk_9538 I think the special episodes are the best ones and they are nothing but well-crafted dialogue.
This Sam levinson guy had terrible writing. Euphoria sucks too, just a bunch of sex and drugs, and teenagers
Yeah Charlie "Horrible Show I've made three videos about gushing over is Finally over". Typical narcissistic fake.
It's insane that Lily actually became Jocelyn in real life, getting used and groomed by men around her, fetishizing her. The saddest part is that she thinks it was okay, and that she was doing something meaningful and artistic. I feel bad for her, growing up in Hollywood probably didn't help at all either.
It’s rarely been something that’s been helpful or good for anyone in that god forsaken business. It’s typically a very bad thing and it doesn’t surprise me that it’s been that way for decades, it’ll probably always be this way.
At least she has a gf and not a bf
@@WynnWynn-gl3fkWhat's wrong with a bf?
@@Soulfin males are the number one cause of death in women and most often the bf. Also look how bad the guys were on the show to her and other women.
@@WynnWynn-gl3fkNo one really talked about that at all and no you are wrong, it is heart disease. Nice try with your misandry. And also, if you define having to put everyone through labour as being "mean" then you are the exact problem this video stands against.
Levinson strikes me as a guy who wants to make adult movies, but without the sleaziness attached to it, so he turns his content into TV shows.
It also feels like the only thing stopping him from producing even sleazier stuff is his actors' refusal.
"Having something to play his skin flute to"
Charlie really understands how important colorful ways to describe certain activities are for top tier content. Always appreciated.
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I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
i swear youtube comments are the biggest bots
@@krimorantyeah and youtube does jack shit about it
@@p-__ ayo what the
I also find it hilarious how a lot of articles and reviewers mentions Abel as the "Attempted Actor" starring in the Idol like they're telling him nah just go back to singing bruh 💀
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
Lmfao Madonna at her worst is a better actor than Abel
@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852okay…and?
@@p-__
I was legitimately nauseated 🤢 at the end. The “twist” is they are both horrible people? It made zero sense. None. Ssoo abusers win? Is the only take away🤦🏽♀️
i think the worst part for me is when i'd occasionally see abel's tweets about the show and his character. and so many of his fans are talking about the TEDRUSSY, they love his character, etc. part of me worries that some of them.. aren't memeing and are actually serious? they like a cult manipulator weirdo and its scary. haven't really seen any of them defend the show so much as "oh its sad we won't see the rest of abels plans for this show"
I mean, Jared Leto also still has fans. dude went full cult jesus a couple years ago. and people pay him money to listen to his bullshit.
a lot of people are just like that. that can be scary. but at least, theyre not actively trying to harm you. theyre just being weird somewhere else.
you guys are too sensetive. are fans of hannibal or scream etc then also sick?
@@TheSuperappelflap definitely longer than a couple of years ago. I knew the guy who directed one of his music videos for 30 seconds to Mars and he said when he went to Leto's house he had like a legion of young women on computers doing his social media. wtf? Also heard some horrible stories about him doing signatures for fans, like one woman recalling when she was 16 or something and when she went to get an autograph from Leto, he said "which one do you want me to sign?" referring to her breasts. Pretty terrible person.
@@ThePatank yeah i mean, i dont even bat an eye at that story, dudes completely deranged. i was more referring to the personality cult he started a couple years ago. hes hosting multiple day retreats now where people pay thousands just to listen to his spiritual speeches while hes literally standing there in a white dress.
@@happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 stop being desperate why would you want the Tedrussy so bad
The fact that The Weeknd did this and even defended it is crazy
It Looks Like He's Blinded By His Ego.
must be getting paid a whole lot for it. so he has to defend it.
Hes probably contractually obgligated to only praise it
@@luvdiacetyl Bro played himself in one scene and now he thinks he is Oscar material
@TimChew10It has launched his acting career. Straight into the trash.
Watching him rant is like listening to your child complain about how bad his day at school was today
except the child is raised by a stable family and thus everything he has to say is entertaining
@bignose75BRO WUT-
@@p-__why farts though-
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I went thru a horrible break up this week from my abusing cheating ex. This show is giving me the ick to put it extremely lightly.
I hope you’re safe and alright!!
Hope you're doing better, or at least on the path to it. Glad you got out of there.
I left this past week myself. Here’s to better days 🍻
@@vivlodia yes thank you 🙏
@mrgreenboy644 much better now thank you 🙏
I was at the LA Weeknd concert where they shot some of the end scenes, and I honestly didn't know what was going on at the time, but man... I can't believe I actually witnessed this dumpster fire live with my own two eyes. All I know is I won't be going to another concert of his bc he gave me the permanent ick from his acting.
Hopefully more of you come out and lessen the price of tickets
This is why the writers are on strike, Imagine getting the scripts and being told, "We need these fixed, so the show will be good. We'll pay you for an hour's work, because you're just editing, the scripts are already done."
You mean the scripts the writers wrote in the first place?
Don't writer's write the script?
@@billmelater6470 Studios are already taking outlines and using those instead, or coercing work out of people for a couple dollars. They're destroying writers' rooms across the industry to save money. That's why plots make less sense and everything is a reboot/sequel. Pay for an hour's work, take that script and just demand that the cast use it. When it falls apart, hire a different writer for an hour to "fix" it.
@@DianaPr1nce Honestly with the shit thats been around for the last 5 years I want both the writers and the studios to fail. I don't care.
@@hardrada3534so you just completely ignored everything he said
This whole show could’ve been saved if it ended with a scene of the Weeknd sitting in a producer’s office across from a horrified exec who asks “…and what would you call this show?” and he answers “The Aristocrats!”
😂😂😂😂
💀💀💀
Pffft lmao😂😂😂
"Haha reference"
And then he Aristocratted all over the Idol
I haven't watched the show, but by your descriptions alone it reminds me of the kind of 'misery pôrn' I watched during the worst of my mental illness several years ago.
imagine this and oshi no ko running at the same time, 2 completely different ways to handle celebrity love life 💀
I'm both glad and insulted that someone compared a masterpiece like Oshi No Ko to this unwatchable garbage of a show
@@xcrowx8140oshi no ko sucks too 💀
@@forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107 you probably have a bad taste if you think that, or you could be trolling
@@forfuckssakedonothumptheca4107I would rewatch Oshi no ko about a million times before I ever want to think of this shit
The crazy thing is there’s an actual fanbase out there for this show now and they tell people *You just don’t understand what the show is trying to tell you* lmao
Ah, the porn-addict version of Rick and Morty fans.
I kinda feel that, this show is supposed to be a greasy scuzzy show about terrible people, it was just done really badly
Those comments saying it's "art" and people just don't understand 😂
@@ashbash2634 sounds a lot like AOT fans 😳
@@kryokryo They refuse to let that show die is ridiculous 😭
So, now that the show is over, can we agree that all the sex scenes were pointless and served no other purpose than to show us what a perv Sam is??
The only one that had any “plot relevance” (besides the sexual singing stuff) at all was the scene where she sleeps with her ex
You basically just recapped the entirety of TLOU Part 2.
@@hakugen3479 seethe, chode
@@kylecunningham9793 such profundity in such few words! My goodness, I am amazed! Now how about you return your mother dearest her mobile terminal device and go get a life, strapping young lad?
@@hakugen3479 You realize that this makes objectively no sense in comparison to what the original poster said? Be butthurt about TLOU 2 if you must( literally years later at this point 😒) but at least put some effort into it come on lol
I would like to point out a lot of this show was also based on The Weeknd's time dating Selena/Selena's life as well as VERY clearly Britney Spears.
He's a toxic narcissist so it tracks that he'd work with Sam Levinson. You can say "oh he didn't know" all you want, but that's bull and you know it.
The twist that Jocelyn lied about her mother’s abuse really left a bad taste in my mouth. Jocelyn’s character was pretty clearly inspired by stars like Britney Spears or Jennette McCurdy, both of whom have been very open about the abuse they faced from both their families and the industry, and to base a character on that kind of trauma only to reveal she was making it all up seems in very poor taste.
@rachelmazurek5033 there are very clear parallels to Selena too. And you're just lying to yourself if you say there aren't
@@intuitionedits2.032 Oh absolutely. Which is even more gross because, as an ex, she probably opened up to him about a lot of this and he used it as material for his show.
@@Kintsugi23 as a fan of her it makes me sick. She doesn't deserve that
can you stop throwing the word toxic around at everything. if someone is an actual predator and a raging narcissist who actually abuses people, "toxic" is not an apt word. you need stronger words for that.
The finale sounded like me writing a 3 sentence conclusion to my 10 page final essay that I procrastinated on for a month
You guys don’t understand how embarrassing it is to be a fan of someone who played such a huge hand in creating this absolute catastrophe. The Weeknd is genuinely killing me.
how little self awareness does the weeknd have like...WHY?😂😂😂
Someone needs to get to a time machine and stop the weeknd from acting as an extra in Uncut Gems and stop his delusions about acting
@@aladdout9454who needs self awareness when you're one of the biggest acts and surrounded by yes men
feel u
Yeah Charlie "Horrible Show I've made three videos about gushing over is Finally over". Typical narcissistic fake.
16:03 what they are saying is actually even WORSE than what you brought up. With the hair brush, they are trying to say that Jocelyn knew all along and was playing the role of a manipulated victim so that she can use Tedros in order to write good music. Like she's the one who "ACTUALLY" orcastrated all the abuse "on purpose" for her music. it's sick, especially if the message they said (before the show came out) they were trying to relay was the difficult lives of female stars. So what now, they are saying Britney Spears, Selena Gomez types purposefully go through trauma for the sake of being idolized more and having better music????
you know in the first 15 minutes that it is deeply misogynist. They have her crying and talk about her breaking down like Britney, while filming it in a pornographic way. What kind of man is turned on by a hurt woman that is crying? FUCKED UP
the fact that just this final episode stacked this with the fake rape accusation plot point is sooooo foul sam levinson deserves actual jailtime for script this offensively bad
I think they failed horribly at it, but I belive the point is, predators are among all types of people in that world of Hollywood, I don't have a hard time believing some famous people have stepped on others before
The idea wasnt what was bad. It was the execution. The idea of Jocelyn being a manipulator and outplaying the player is a good story. It isnt sick just because youre uncomfortable with it. The issue was that it was a lazily constructed story and played like an excuse for the writer to have a wank instead of being interested in the character and plot development. The problem was that the characters were incoherent and the story telling lacked talent. They wasted alot of runtime on gratuitous sex that served no purpose, when there was alot of exposition that they needed to set up that they would then just tack on after the fact. As a result it felt rushed and forced, like Jocelyn did a full 180°.
@@vvaveave love this comment
Euphoria was well recieved and they thought "the sex! sex is the answer!" when in reality Zendaya carried the show. The Weekend is NOT carrying this show. 💀💀💀
Edit: It doesn't matter who is a good actor and who isnt. The Idol has dogshit writing, I dont think anyone could have saved it.
idk i never watched it, but i did see a few other things she was in and i can tell you that woman couldnt out-act a piece of cardboard, she has 0 charisma or acting talent. she also looks underage and unattractive. unfortunately i will have to endure her again when Dune 2 comes out but i think im just skipping over most of the scenes she is in.
@@TheSuperappelflap I stopped reading after you said "idk i never watched it, but"
@@VexaVivi i was discussing the performance of the actress you were talking about in other works, not commenting on a show ive never watched.
@@TheSuperappelflap yeah i got that you didnt need to explain
@@VexaVivi oh so you did read it.
Work with two girls at the bar I’m at, and they both said they loved it… I was shocked
“People who don’t like that show probably have awful sex”
Like being kinky is tied to being some weird shitty person too.
The girl who gave me that quote is a personal trainer and hits the clubs 3 nights a week minimum so I guess I should not be too shocked. Just wild to hear women supporting it
I mean most people who hate it are leftist lesbian women who believed unnamed source RS article and rolled with that narrative the whole way through
I always try to respect everyone, but I'm just going to go out and say that the girl you got the quote from sounds like a slut.
Those women are trash
😳😱WOW
There are actually good and passionate writers out there being ignored over Sam Levison. Remember that.
Nepotism
He can’t direct for shit
connections
word
This show really went "Poor Tedros, everyone betray him, everyone take advantage of his god given talent, you're tearing him apart Jocelyn 😭!"
I definitely don’t think that’s what happened you shouldn’t have to be told how to feel about him you’re allowed to still hate him
@@lachlanchester8142that’s how they filmed it to be interpreted though. He did a 180 characters shift in the span of one episode for no reason
the weeknd still got more sales than taylr swift shame on you americans
“It’s over! It’s over!”
“It’s *NOT* over! Everybody betray him! He’s fed up with this world!”
@@happypigtailedmakaquemonke9305 🤨
This is the most amount of emotion I have ever seen this man project
There is a way you can write a villain winning at the end and make it work.
Doing it the way this show has goes beyond a villain of a fictional property winning and says "no, whoever made this actually believes rapists deserve to win."
Yeah I thought that was weird. Like nobody was rooting for Tedros to win, but he still gets a happy ending. That’s how you know The Weeknd had a hand in writing this shit lol
@@CrystalRose1111one movie where the villain "wins" and it was done well, was the movie "no country for old men" pretty much all the "good guys" fail in that movie, and the most evil one, walks away
I swear I've seen you in another youtube comment section
@@Originalchilise7en, the dark knight, infinity war, silence of the lambs, phone booth, nightcrawler, primal fear, and the usual suspects all do that too lol
@@spike5499 I comment way more than I make content anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised, hahaha.
Charlie is our knight in shining armor when it comes to bad shows
I exposed Charlie💀
i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist
Bro bots targeting your comment 🧌
Seriously, he should get payed for his amazing critique work.
Fr ong
Sam Levinson has less talent and creativity than a 14 year old AO3 writer.
i was hoping to see a video from you on this as soon as i open the app, and i was blessed!
Charlie should have a series like "Bad bedtime stories" where he tells us about dogshit shows/movies
I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
I’d never fall asleep after being enthralled by Charles natural storytelling abilities, Charles would put 1001 Arabian nights to shame by orating one million and one spins of the yarn.
@@MbitaChizihow about you borrow someone's chainsaw, rev it up and ride it like a broom...
@@MbitaChizigood luck on ur journey I just subbed!!
@@metalfamilyfanandqueenfannice try Mbita
This is 100% a fantasy fanfic written by the director/male writers lmao. Like they having the female characters say they like "rapey vibes", they are making it seem like abuse= artistic freedom or some shit, and then wtf is that ending. Like wtf is the message of the show lmaoo? Who is the target audience of this show?
This whole show screams "It's not rape and abuse she wanted it, in fact she MADE me do it, she's not a victim she's greedy and is exploiting my talent all along." In other words "It never happened, it's not my fault, it's your fault and you deserved it.".
The message of the show: comeone white girls! Have interacial relationships with exciting black men.
Target audience: white girls with tiktok brain.
sometimes i say i'm disgusted by certain tv shows as a joke, but like this show actually makes me want to mainline cyanide. this is such a gross message to send, especially post me-too (it's an evil message either way, but it's exceptionally bold and disgusting to make a show like this now)
@@freddie6307 do you know why its an evil message? Because it was made by a Jew that hates white people
"male writers" you seem to forget all those famous female writers who basically write rape fetish books?
This sounds like the most mind numbing show to have existed.
Charlie line: “there is not a single scene where lily-rose’s cheeks aren’t clapping in the wind” had me cackling for five straight minutes
One of Tedros’ protégées is a 17 year old girl and on her introductory episode they filmed multiple closeup shots of her bare chest as she roams around Jocelyn’s house naked 💀
Good ol' Sam Levinson
that's gotta be illegal for them to do that
@@NotJpTem the actress is 27, only her character is supposed to be 17. Still creepy imo
@@999darla yeah that is actually disgusting
@@999darla Yeah sexualizing minors is always wrong they just use 20+ actors to excuse themselves
I've heard the original script was very different but the Director and editors maimed the crap out of it because, and I quote, "it's too much from the female POV." So someone wrote a good (or at least decent) story about a woman surviving in the sleazy idol industry, and they wiped out all of that in favor of being what they thought men would be more interested in.
The irony 💀💀💀
'i've heard" yeah all of you heard from an article with 0 source. jesus christ the way yall blatantly spread misinformation and dont care about it just cuz the show isnt good is so gross
@@Novafan the original director was fired/had to quit, her name was Amy Seimetz and the show was originally a criticism on Hollywood.
Look it up
@@titanium4082 yes i know amy left, when did i ever say she didnt? and the show still is a criticism on the music industry
@@Novafan then why'd you say anything? You knew the same thing and moaned able everyone saying that without a source cited. Though I've heard mixed things on the editors loving it to this.
It's not a criticism anymore, it's literally just some guy's fap crap. What's the critique it's giving, that abusers can stay with their victims? That sex everywhere is fine? Nah man, it's just cringe.
Portrayed like Euphoria and executed like Velma
I sincerely hope there isn't more. I don't want my happiness of it being over to end.
I made it to 8 minutes before my eyes glazed over and I started wondering what I’ll have for dinner. Not even Charlie can make this show sound interesting. That’s almost impressive.
LITERALLY same
I really loved the part when The Weeknd said “It’s Idoling time”. It really makes the audience feel like an Idol. Absolute crowd pleaser
idc but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist
This is one of the responses of all time
Biggest CinemaSins “roll credits” moment ever lmao
I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
My favourite scene was when Jennie dance around and she screams "It's Jennie time" then started Jennied all over the place. What a masterpiece
I love how speak on things I am fully into… then there is this. No clue who or what you’re talking about in this post but keep up the great work.
Pretty much every streaming service I was signed into either signed me out or no longer allows sharing, so every show is over for me.
Imagine being the person who started the idea and then got ousted, watching them totally destroy it like this
Fruit ninja be like
I genuinely feel bad for Lily Rose Depp. This was her breakout role, and she really thought most likely that she was offered a great opportunity to work with the likes of the Weeknd and Sam Levinson. And now the show has absolutely tanked. This really is the kind of show that ruins the careers of people involved. Hope it’s not the case for her :/
she's not a great person at all and deserves it. no need to feel sorry for her
@@kelseylandon1224 fr let the nepo baby fail LMAOOO
@@kelseylandon1224 what do you mean? I mean you don’t know her. I can’t imagine you could judge her as a person based on probably something you read online
By all accounts, I've heard she played her character really well (despite the circumstances) so hopefully she can take advantage of the attention and get roles that are actually worthwhile
@@makstracy from the two episodes I watched, yeah she definitely did better than anyone else at least. Unfortunately, Hollywood has a tendency to basically blacklist actor who were associated with a widely hated property, despite a good performance. Brutal industry.
That ending feels like a "bad end" of a Visual Novel.
The first episode seemed like something really different, and the second episode came out and oh boy did i forget about this show
I low key feel bad for Lily Rose-Depp. She could’ve had a better role if the producers and writers took more time to fix the show.
I don’t really. I’m sure she read the script before she accepted the role, she knew what she was in for
There’s no fixing this. Burn it
@@lucasrios2089she was on th3 original script. The one with the woman director. So she didn't sign up for this bs
Nah she isn't some starving actor who has no choice to do this in order to pay bills. Quite the opposite.
@@lucasrios2089but didn't the weekend and sam levison entirely change the script after the original script was 80 percent done? So did she even intentionally sign up for this bs or was she contractually obligated. But it's weird how she's been constantly defending Sam and Abel over this mess
I feel like i watched the show without even watching it, thank you charlie for saving my time ❤️
I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
@@MbitaChizi
@@p-__
@@p-__ nuh uh
@@MbitaChizi Shut up
This is the first I'm hearing about this show, and I'm so glad I missed it!
Sad to see a Depp be put through this
Can this show really impact The Weekend's career if no one watched this show?
It was so bad that I'm pretty sure word has spread
Who?
Philosophers should study this question.
“The Weeknd” is the right way to spell it and not “Weekend”.
@@Kango234 If a tree fell in the forest, and it had no talent, would it still be a Weeknd?
Eventhough this show is over, it likely won't stop Levinson in making more stuff like this. Depends if the HBO executives still trust him, i hope not. Everyone who worked on this series should be ashamed of themselves
hey but i make better vids then Penguinz0 on my playlist
I admire charlie! my parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging.
@@Laughisty
@bignose75
@@p-__
This show makes Euphoria sound like the Golden Girls
Lol you're literally the only UA-camr or person in general who would acknowledge these stuff in a sensible manner,about sums you up
You a real one fam
See, hearing this makes me convinced that contrary to what Sam Levinson and The Weeknd were saying, HBO did cut the show short and forced them to wrap it up as quickly as possible to make sure it never gets another season.
same.
Yup, I thought the same thing
The upsetting part of this whole thing is that there was a very interesting story here, a real story, but instead they threw it away and made soft core fetish porn.
this! it truly could've been something. i would have enjoyed actually focusing on Jocelyn's potential story, it would have been interesting. but they focused solely on nudity and sexuality and the story was left in the dust.
If actresses stopped taking their tops off in front of the camera, stuff like this might happen less. Money must be more important than integrity I guess
there's bits and pieces of something good here' but it is executed terribly and buried beneath weeknd and sams weird f3t1shes and bad writing........i feel bad for the actually good actors doing their best.
@@univalent15 So it's the actresses' fault that the industry sexualizes them??
@@WhiteWolf-lm7gj Are they put under pressure to do it? Yes. Are they over sexualized? Yes. But at the same time, they know what they're getting into. They willingly sign these contracts knowing what the industry is like towards women. Is it wrong to say, the actresses, grown adults, should have some culpability? I don't think so. Men already objectify women, so why do women have to add to it? They can say it's for the sake of art, but at the same time you've got men making compilation videos of actresses naked. I feel like things would be better if more women just refused to bare it all. Movies already have a terrible effect of influencing males to view women in an unhealthy way. Why make it worse?
Charlie is the most outta pocket guy I’ve ever seen, and I’m all here for it.
the show genuinely had SO MUCH potential, but they skipped over all the best plots points and just straight up left it at pron for the whole show
It really had zero potential 😂
The only downside to being subscribed to you Charlie is finding out about crap I wish I never knew about. Thanks, champ.
Wat?
maybe the true softcore pornography was the friends we made along the way
Underrated comment 🔥👏🏼😂
I feel like that about the anime berserk. It seemed like about two episodes were missing right before the last episode
You're talking about the 1997 one, right?
Reading the title just woke the "do have any idea how little that narrows it down?" meme in my head
I'm surprised there aren't more people talking about how Jennie, someone with arguably more fame than the weekend or Lily or Sam, was literally just a clout piece for this show. She's not a villain, not a friend, doesn't progress the story, she's in very few scenes with few lines, the most of her performance is a very sexual choreography scene, and she literally gets kicked out in the end . If her character was written out of the show it would have had no impact at all. She literally was just put into the show for clout , ratings, attention, and promotions.
Edit: I guess a lot of people didn't see that I wrote "arguably" in this comment. Also, not knowing someone doesn't delete their fame. A teenager saying "I don't know Paul McCartny or Ozzy Osbourne" doesn't delete their status as legendary musicians. Or saying "I don't know markiplier or penguin0" doesn't make them any less famous youtubers. That logic of "If I haven't heard it they ain't famous" is just stupid.
It’s just so sad how Sam Levinson destroyed his own show and people’s career in the process
But that's what she wanted..
@@scorpion-qk7rrI think she signed up for the novelty factor, and to dip a toe into a different aspect of the American audience
I thought it was supposed to show the average experience of an artist getting A&R
SHE IS A GROWN ASS WOMAN NEARING 30 who choose to be in this and praised the director and is Friends with the Weekend why do you act like she was forced to do this ???
The idol is one of those stories that probably sounds good as a surface level Wattpad sex novel and not an actual series.
unfortunately netflix literally has been turning wattpad sex novels into movies for a few years
My mom had this show on when I was visiting last week. And I can’t wrap my head around how she finds it enjoyable. Glad it’s gone!
There’s going to be those people that are like “you have to watch the show to understand it”
I think the plot of this show alone makes me understand NOT to watch it
I respect Charlie's dedication to watch complete FILTH so we don't have to.
Amen….I mean OMEN! 😂😂😂
He is here to warn us
The end of that giant musical number in the middle of the episode, where Jocelyn starts crawling on the floor like the girl from "The Ring", while singing 'Am I Playing Well Now, Daddy?' was some of the weirdest, honestly gross s××t I've ever seen from a show or movie where it's supposed to be sexy. And no one can claim it was supposed to be uncomfortable, cuz the record executive loved it.
Also, I learned that Sam Levinson is a giant tool to work for because he never gives the crew plans on how to set up the day's shoots. He, instead, chooses to "feel it out" once he's there, which makes that part of the days run insanely long before people can be ready & then before the day can be over. Not leaving enough time til the next day's shoot, in an industry where days already, usually, run painfully long.
If what you're saying about the scheduling is true, then that's insane; it's a terrible way to run a set.
Wonder if he does it on purpose to lower the chance that actors might disagree with stuff.
Like the sex scenes.
An actor who just wants the day to be over is less likely to object to how a scene is shot and might even overstep their own boundaries.
@@0304dina
Not a bad idea.
Since he does the writing & directing of every episode, it puts him in a place of immense power. And I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way, it just does because there is no one actors can go to to change scences besides him. When he was doing Euphoria, I got the feeling he was trying to write an exaggerated version of what it was like when he was younger. Not necessarily biographical, but that he's the son of a very famous director, so he probably got into wild s××t.
But back onto the subject of how he runs things & what you said, Zendaya had to put it in her contract she wouldn't do nudity anymore. That could have been cause the show was a hit, but it's more likely that everything with Sam's fly by night production style of "feeling out" shots would lead to exaggerated nudity. Even Lily Rose Depp.talked about how a lot of what she did in the show was freelance, which is crazy to think about because it really is a good character at the base. Hell, Chloe was a fantastic character - even Xander until he became a cult zombie - but the show would desend into random nudity, sex, or BDSM. I'm no shrinking violet or old lady, either... it was all just misplaced & unnecessary.
@@DoobieKeebler I can take sex as a plot device in a well-written show.
This show however is sex (or whatever degree of SA it may be) with a shitty little plot around it.
Nothing of substance, just a director and musician's barely concealed fetish.
I wonder how many of the good scenes or character motivations were leftovers from the director they fired.
Because I also read that Levinson heavily copied from an Israeli show that inspired Euphoria and that's why S1 didn't suck.
One issue I have is that the "BDSM elements" are none.
Just two people (after what transpired from the finale) trying to abuse and assault each other. With truly malicious intent.
The consent given is in both cases is shaky at best.
And yeah, it wouldn't suprise me if at least one actress (don't know about men in this case but they seem to be less of a target) felt violated, may it even be just in retrospect.
I HOPE not but the chances aren't slim.
@@0304dina
I loved how The Weeknd's first hit song was about doing too much coke, and that immediately became a long running plot point. "Tedros, baby, you've been doing too much blow"
*feigns disinterest in what she just said*
Or....
When she's mad he's still there & it cuts to him looking like he lost a boxing match with the bolivian marching powder.
But in more serious notes, I think Hollywood plays BDSM in that kind of 50 Shades / The Secretary kind of way because they believe it plays better to take or be aggressive. Rather than getting consent and safe words and what people are OK / not OK with, except society does a piss poor job of teaching kids consent. There's a whole rabbit hole to go down with this sort of stuff.
Another thing, Tedros wasn't even a good God damn cult leader. It would have been so much more... i dont know, if she was consenting to it, than when he was blindfloding her and f××king her real fast, etc. It felt like they didn't know what they wanted. The original point was that he was this cult leader, but then he's turned into a pied piper kind of pimp.
I also don't think an article in Variety would destroy his life when he controls people like zombies, but what do I know about sex cults?
Lol, the little red riding hood part threw me for a loop 😂😂 even after all the other stuff
Charlie is the one human being where I can never tell when watching him if my Bluetooth headphones are in sync are not. Something about his mouth movements always tricks me into thinking he's out of sync.
my favorite part is when tedros gets arrested during a daytime scene, the second he goes outside with the police and is in the car, it’s completely nighttime. then cuts back to daylight in the singing showcase! so cool
The way I saw it is they tried to make Tedros the victim all along by making it seem like Jocelyn knew what he was doing but needed him to push her to help her make music but even with me explaining it, it still doesn’t make sense
yeah, it was dumb but they made it pretty obvious. I don't know how charlie is confused about that part
Idk, poorly written plot aside, the way I saw it was that Jocelyn was using Tedros to make hits and needed him to believe she was this broken vulnerable person, long enough for him to get too invested/write enough songs. But the show doesn’t make it clear at which point Jocelyn changed her perspective, which was infuriating lol
It doesn’t make sense because we even see her in private moments. She didn’t know that he was sleeping with Chloe. She presumably did not know that he framed her ex for rape.
@@Official_Tedros Yeah i see what you’re saying, the problem is that most people don’t really give a shit about the reality of Industry life. What regular lay person cares about that. The show was way too raunchy for the average person, and the abuse scenes were probably very triggering for most, especially for victims of abuse watching the show. As someone who listens to The Weeknd’s music, the show just feels like it was written by him. Makes me feel like Abel had some personal experience being that character in real life type shit lol
@@CrystalRose1111Crystal, don't bother. This person is a bot/Stan. Hence why they've gone off on a rant about what a good guy The Weeknd is.
Charlie should write erotica,"Using her as a portal to the honkers dimension" absolutely slayed me
Also there seems to be a lot of instances of garbage writing getting enabled by promotions and extra seasons, so i wouldn't put it past MAX to continue this fetish fuel.
When I worked at Walmart, my supervisor overheard a couple 'raw-dogging it' in the dressing rooms. And he went over the intercom.
"There is a wet spill in the dressing rooms. Maintenance please report to the dressing rooms."
What a legend
Sounds about right for walmart tbh
It gets better, apparently that wasn't the only time. There were also people who worked at walmart also getting it on. In the FREEZER. With food. and cold. On top of doing that while on the clock, doing that around food, it was in the freezer on top of everything. (no pun intended) They did it a few times before being caught and fired. I *wonder* why.
I think I heard originally the show was centered more around the female lead and her struggle as a star being exploited when it had its original director who was a woman. She left during a creative overhaul and Sam became the director. The Weeknd complained that it was not about his character enough.
Yea I think Charlie mentioned that in his previous videos about it
They said it was too much of a female perspective. Aka they couldn’t jerk off to it.