Mesa Boogie Rectifier Cab test. 4x12 OS standard & straight vs. 2x12 Vert. Mesa Dual Racktifier.
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Hey guys, simple test today. Wanted to show the native tone differneces between the OS straight & OS slant cabs, and threw in the 2x12 Vert for good measure. This is with all settings the same. You could make up for some of this by twisting knobs, but I wanted to show the native differences. Running my Rev G Racktifier, and it has EL34 tubes in it today.
4x12 OS straight 1:00
4x12 OS slant 3:12
2x12 Vert 5:32
The A cabinet (slant) has a strong mid-range making the amp sound thick whilst the B cab (straight) accentuates the Bass and Treble frequencies making it sound scooped. Incredible difference. Thanks for the demo.
It's nice to see a video where you can hear the real difference between the cab which represents reality well. for me the 4x12 straight os is the best 👌
Wow, was just about to buy a slant cab, but I like the focus of the straight Had no idea they would sound so different.
A lot of guys like slants for the stage monitor effect. However, IMO, for high gain / metal tones, the focus of the straight is always the answer.
@@TIGHTENmetal I’m just using for studio. I think the flat would be better for not having phase issues
Absolutely right. The cabs are all different!
With the slant there is intermingling of the sound waves from top and bottom speakers creating some air pressure that changes the way the speakers react and move.
Wow. The difference is massive. The slant sounds way more scooped. Both sound great though! I've got the slant but I've never played a straight.
In the room the straight is balanced, and the slant has a lot more upper mids. Even when you're sitting right in front. in this clip I have the two cabs separately mic'd and hard panned.
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Finally! Someone who understands!!
The OS Straight sounds amazing!
Bass response is why you would want a 4x12. Open back, 1X12, 2X12, 4X12, and OS all have their purposes.
I have 2 4x12 cabs, both are Mesa Recto Traditionals, one angled and the other is straight. Both are loaded with Vintage 30s. There is a different tonality between them. The angled cab cuts more and is tighter. The straight has a bit more lows. Both sound great. Similarly to your oversized Rectifier cabs. Thanks for the video and the RTL riffage!
Thanks man. I had a traditional slant & it was super dark for some reason, I had to sell it. I'd like to try a traditional straight some day.
Also to note, I really like the straight cab's tone better- but- the slant cuts better in the band mix and also when the tuning starts to get real low like it is here.
fast13b i have the slant 2x12 just like the one u used at the end here.. not happy with it for some reason I feel like my mark v can give more tones and richer sound.. which 4x12 do you recommend me getting ?
Bro I love the throwback Metallica. Made this video complete with a well usage of gear and riffs.
THEY BOTH SOUND AMAZING! I prefer the slant........
Ride Ze Lightning! Yeah buddy!!! One of my fave 'Tallica tunes!
Please for love of god.... , Palm mute !! But like I have... the oversized slant cabinet with the shelf is much better overall for tight bottom end .
Thanks for showing us what your babies can do, bro! Definitely digging your content! 👍 I play rhythm guitar for my band, so I'm leaning towards a Mesa Cab. Just not sure which one yet! They all sound great! I'm open to your suggestions! 😁
What amp are you using?
@@TIGHTENmetal Bugera 6262 Infinium!
@@robgarcia6770 Well, the traditional straight 4x12 is tighter with slightly more mids where the standard straight 4x12 is bigger sounding & more balanced.
Slant straight is my favorite ! Kills!
I prefer the Slant design in this video because it sounds richer and easier to mix.
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This is really all about the V30s. When they were made and what batch. Also, most studio guys will tell you to mic the angled speakers. The reflection off the cab back can cause a cancelation effect. Usually, the straight cabs will be more focused because of this effect. When close, miced upper speakers just sound fuller. Check your V30 date codes. 2001-2004 are great years. Celestion quality mainly china made suffered but some of the batches in England arent pleasant. Since about 2019 they have been very good. Mainly the voice coil cover being changed.
This is an older vid, at this point all of my cabs are loaded with 00-03 T4335s. Check one of the recent vids I did with a comparison.
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Slanted 3:40
4x12 oversized bass monster 🤘🤘🤘
I have a " half back" vertical 2x12 and it is easily my favorite cabinet right now. Now to find a Mesa head for less than my mortgage payment.lol
Bet it's the frame stamped 90's speakers that sound better. I have an '03 slant OS and after hearing your other video with the 1999 and 2000 speakers, I think I'm gonna sell it to get a 90's cab. All the records I love are with that speaker; the sticker ones just sound different.
Alternatively you could find a good stamped frame quad to load into your cab, and then sell me your '03 quad. :)
You read my mind 👍👍
Open up the 212 cab, preferable semi open. It really opens it up and fills out the sound. To me, it gets my 212 cabs much closer to 412 territory.
It sound like the normal deviation between two vintage 30, no two speakers sound the same. Not sure how much the cab actually influence the sound, to be sure the same exact speaker should be miced on the same spot in each cab separately. I really like the first one though!
Thanks man. Defs the slant. It takes the brittle edge off that an engineer has to EQ out most of the time anyway. I’d guess the straight might cut through a wee bit more on a solo, but not sure. Then again the 2 X 12 might be just the thing when the band going hard, since you’d EQ out all the lows to get out of the way of the bass.
Hmmm interesting. You have to take into account it's not just as simple as placing a mic on a speaker and there is your difference between a straight vs slant, because there is actually usually quite big differences from speaker to speaker. It may be worth doing the same test but with a room mic?? Just food for thought.
It's vastly different in the room. I did that at band practice one time- see this vid.
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Also note these (4x12) are both older cabs with the 70W V30s.
@@TIGHTENmetal what he means is that even the same speaker model, year, etc will sound different from each other.
@@TIGHTENmetal Ohh awesome. Ya different for sure. So what have you found is your fave? For live? For studio?
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Herd the difference on the bottom end the OS Slant seemed tighter mids more higher up. The vertical sounded like it was brand new very tight and lacking some bottom end. Yes I own both OS Slant and the Vertical. Got me thinking the striaght up 4 x 12 cab might fit with amps that have high mids high top end to smooth them out a bit.
I own 2 of the OS slants and a 2x12 vert and in this demo I am def liking the OS slant. The 2x12 vert here sounds like it needs to be broken more? I remember when I got mine used from GC and when I first played it is sounded real shrill, but read on what celestion speakers recommended to do to break speakers in and it did wonders and now I love it! I would like to one day own a OS straight cab like you have in this video, I am curious on how it stacks up with the old school cabs. Rock on!!
Great comparison!!!
What is the goal or intent of putting a slant speaker in a straight enclosure like that?
While I wasn't there in those days, my guess was to reduce inventory by not having to stock multiple styles of cut wood.
Nice Hanneman stickers on the guitar
I just stumbled onto this video. So I got back into the Mesa world(I’m a lifelong Marshall fan and they will always be my favorite but that being said I traded a splawn for a TC100 and now I was gonna buy speakers and all that jazz but just thinking of biting the bullet on one of the oversized cabs wether it be straight or slant. Just can’t determine which ugh. I had a 2X12 vertical Mesa cab but it didn’t sound big enough. Anyway suggestions are great appreciative
The Recto 2x12 cabs are a lot thinner & more top endy than the Recto 4x12 cabs.
The OS 4x12 cabs are great in the right context, but amps love or hate them. The Recto Traditional cabs pretty much sound good with every amp.
Lots of guys like slants, I'm not one of them. I prefer straights for metal.
The straight sounds tighter.
However, my favorite Kemper profile of all time, by a huge margin, was made with the same exact slant cab you have... But in every shootout, the straights ound better.. Go figure.
Nevermind.. Now I'm liking the slant more lol. Man.. On 3rd thought, I
don't know. I guess I'll have to listen to this in 3 sets of different speakers.
That's because modelers don't reflect truth, they reflect the perception of the truth. ;)
I will say the slant starts to sound better the lower your tuning is.
@fast13b I have 5x 4x12's, including 2x of the same flat top slant. I've been able to get super close to the profile. Believe it or not, I'm trying to get my real rig to sound more like a profile in my Kemper (which is a digital device but not a modeler), with more difficulty than the other way around.
@@TIGHTENmetal so, now o got more Cabs.
I have a straight, just like yours, and two angled flats. The angled flats are a 2000 and 2003, based on the V30 codes.
All three sound very different.
The difference between the two angled flat tops is huge. As big of a difference as the difference between them and the straight cab.
I will maintain that good IR's are VASTLY closer to the sound of the cab they were made from, than two of the same cabs are of each other, and are an very good representation of the real world. I've made my own Kemper profiles that have sounded 98% the same as my real rig, when I can't get Cabs of the same model to sound 92% the same as each other.
Now, here's the thing between the two falt top/front slants.. There is a rumor that around 2002 or 2003, materials used in the manufacturing of celestions changed. One is the steel used to make the frames, which either came from or the frames themselves were made in China. Either way, this changes the composition of the metal. Others say glue and other things changed. Not anything I can really tell. However, the 2003 celeteions use stickers to show the date codes, the 2000's have the date codes stamped on the metal frames. Maybe just that changed, and the speakers just sound different.
Both Cabs are well used and broken in. The straight cab might not be, because it is very new, as it was purchased by the previous owner along with the Mesa Triple Crown I also got from him. It is pristine, and most likely only played at home. It even has its tag still on the handle. Whatever the case, the two other ones sound way different from each other and it's not a question of break in. Break in, past a certain point is a myth. I've been waiting for newer g12t-75's to break in for over a decade, and they have yet to sound like 80's g12t-75's. Regardless, both cabs are broken in to all hell, as they've been played for 17-20 years. One was even torqued all over the world by Wes Borland and his brother, and the other one looks more broken in than that.
One thing that makes a huge difference is actually placement of the speaker in the room. The difference close mic'd will be less, but a bit further mic'd or just the sound in the room will be way different depending on position. I tested this...
I had both Cabs, side by side in an approx 22x24 room an they sounded like 50% different. Then I swapped the cabs in the exact spot, marking the floor to make sure. In the exact spot, the differences lowered to about 15%. They sounded closer to each other in the same spot, in the room, but the differences were still being enough in a way that could not be accounted for with EQ... As if they were somewhat similar, but two totally different brands/model 4x12's.
I measured the ohms of each cab to see. The straight was 8ohms, one straight/flat was 7.9 ohms, and the other straight/flat was 7.2 ohms.
All the wiring looks identical and the solder joints look good. The only issue with the cab with the 7.2 ohm reading is that the main jack seems a bit corrodes. I sandpaper and cleaned the contact points, but will replace it with a new part just to make ultra sure.
The 7.2 ohm cab has more bass and softer mids, making it sound generally more pleasant.
The other same cab that reads 8 ohms has less lows and more forward mids.
I haven't begun to compare in the same spot with the flat cab, but generally speaking, from memory, the flat cab sounds more like the 8 ohm flat/slant, which is the 2003 one. I really have to compare both in the same spot though.
Other details about the two flat/slants are..
They both are gray piping models (the flat is the newer black piping).
The 2000 cab has the serial number in the CXXXXX format, while the 2003 has it in the C2 XXXXX format, which is the same format used for the flat cab.
I haven't done close mic tests yet of all three cabs in the exact same spot without casters yet. It's a really big pain to move everything around endlessly. 😂
Whatever the case, I'm mega confident I can get an IR to sound more like whatever cab I'm shooting it from, then getting these 3 cabs to sound the same reocrded. Furthermore, I now have a waza craft TAE that can load IRS right off the tail of the power amp's output, which should make it a 1% difference, instead of the 2% difference from using a Kemper, as only the IR is being used.
The funny thing is, I'd be wasting a lot less time using the Kemper to write tunes and record DI's, and if I felt like it, shipping the DI's to the same producer who made this Kemper profile so he could reamo though his rigz which he has fine tuned to exactly how I want it to sound. It would also be cheaper than all this experimentation, but I'm trying to get it right.. And hopefully unload some of the Cabs. I have too many combined with my Orange, Marshalls, and THD etc..
@@XChristianNoirX That's some in depth shit. I agree that they all sound a little different, so I just keep my favorites & sell the rest. Good luck on your journey!
Great video. I have question, anybody know how much do the 4x12 OS slant go for used?
Usually $400-$600 depending on condition.
Nice demo sir. Were they all on their casters during the demo? The 212 will lose significant low end on wheels vs. 412 (in my experience)
In my experience that's a much bigger problem with marks than it is with Rectos.
Want to know if any kind of 2x12 will be that “fizz” a bit? Just bought a marshall 212A just thinking that it was quite fizz , thanks
Sorry, I don't have experience with 2x12s in other brands..
I like the sound of the OS straight way more than the slant
Slant here sounds fuller
Question. How worked on were the speakers? Makes a big difference too
The OS slant was late 90s, the OS straight was mid 2000s, and the 2x12 was mid 2010s. They all had plenty of hours on them.
I've never seen a Mesa slant that looks like it's a slant in the shell of a straight. Where can I fine one?
They made them like this back in the 90s.
@@TIGHTENmetal Oh wow.....thanks for the info dude. Cheers!!
I've heard the straights sound better as all the sound is coming at you. The slant sounds better in the video micd... so is it true? Unmicd the straights are beefier?
Straights are beefier and more balanced. Only time I prefer a slant is in the band mix if there's no PA. Or, with low drop tunings.
You should also compare the cabs with or without wheels, it makes a big difference :)
Already did. :)
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Does Mesa still produce the os slant face yet straight cabinet?
Nope. Lots of good used ones out there though. I'd sell you mine but shipping is impractical.
Can you try and describe slant vs straight 4x12 sound experience in the room? Slant sounds more massive which is weird and normally straight one should be more boomy. It's probably because of mic recording and from the experience I know that what you hear in the room and on recording can be very misleading/
In hindsight I've gone down the V30 rabbit hole since I did this one, plus I've gotten a lot better at mic placement (which is huge), and now that I also know the late 90s V30s such as in the slant sound very different from the 2006 V30s in the straight, it's hard to make a fair comparison really. That said I've had a lot of different Recto cabs and I'm generally not a fan of slants for metal. I know guys like them for live so they can get a monitor effect on stage, which does work, but I feel like I can hear an out-of-phase character with slants since they're not firing on the same plane. Beyond that there really are big differences speaker to speaker over the years.
@@TIGHTENmetal so even in Mesas v30 changed a lot? I thought they kept them the same. Hence I wanted to get 4x12 straight one for massive tone + big low end/ - always miss it. I play in a small room and my budget gear (harley benton) 4x12 v30 + Bugera 6262 gives me what I like but I still hope that Mesa straight 4x12 standadard will give me a better low end and overall more massive tone + I can finally hear those Mesa's v30 in person.
Recorded tone and in room tone they are really different. I don't really care what's recorded, hence the question about the room feel. Would you say Mesa's v30 (new/current ones) are worth checking out in comparison with the Chinese (current ones) v30?
What is your opinion on this topic? I went through a lot of gear as well and I am genuinely curious about your thoughts and experience.
(I also know that gear doesn't really mean much and you alway want more/better, etc. but if I can get more joy out of it... I will pursue it ;p)
@@tgchan In the room is much more forgiving than on the mic, so I wouldn't sweat it too much. That said I have heard the brand new '22 V30s are better- but I've not tried any myself.
If you have a chance to pick up any 2004 or older V30s, I'd recommend it.
@@TIGHTENmetal Hello one year later. I was blessed to get my dream rig. Mesa 4x12 OS with Dual Rectifier. Didn't really like it that much lmao... I would still love to try it again... but the whole experience when I finally got it... was kind of underwhelming... I actually liked my 4x12 v30 Harley Benton more? It has that RAW aggressiveness and it isn't that FAT and unresponsive. I have even tried Bugera with 4x12 Mesa OS and it still was just okay lol... Super weird experience... I have drooled over that rig for years... both the amp and the cab... It turned out it wasn't any better than my cheap rig... Bugera 6262 Infinium + 4x12 v30 Harley Benton. Just different. I definitely preferred the look of Mesa rig but other than that... not so much (+ my cheap rig looks super nice as well). I am still on a hunt though ;p Ideally I would have to go to some super big store and test for hours to get what I want... I am leaning towards Marshall now but... their quality is just piss-poor... + not sure about many other things. I definitely has sold my MESA rig way too fast... I maybe give it yet another run in the future but this time with slant OS cab/ I am also considering 2x12 recto so you video is once again super helpful. I like the OS slant from your audio the best. Thank you again and all the best in 2024/
@@tgchan Did you boost the Recto?
The 2x12s have more treble & less bass, I suspect a fundamental difference of the 16 ohm speaker.
I have 412 slant rec I only play in my house studio but it has to much low end and I’m thinking’s about getting the 212 and there’s 3 different ones on mesas website do you think it will have less low end and have a tighter sound ? I’m using it with Jp2c and mark 4 the I’m not to big on the low end I’m my slant 412
Absolutely, you want the vertical Recto 2x12 cab.
fast13b the only vertical ones I see is the slant 2x12 and there is a horizontal 2x12 is there not a traditional 2x12 ?
fast13b or what cab would you recommend for a house with no limit on volume with not to much low end and tigh sound the 412 is just To much thump lol
@@danielhenry4614 As I said, you want the 2x12 vertical slant cab. Or, possibly the 2x12 horizontal compact cab if you really don't like low end.
Actually … the OS slant sounds the beefiest here .. I thought it would have been the straight
One thing I figures out in hindsight was that this slant was a bit harsh, although it did sound better for really low tunings because of that.
What year is the OS Straight?
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The 2x12 sounds nasally and takes away the rectifier tone
It is a lot brighter with less bottom end. Not great for home / recording, but it actually sits very well in the band mix.
2x12 has 16 ohms speaker?
Yes, two 16 ohm speakers wired in parallel so the cab is 8 ohm.
Slant sounds better
Damn Man what's your settings? I have the same Rack Dual Rec and haven't gotten a tone like that.
Sorry man, I don't recall. From the notes it was running EL34s though.
Straight all day
tune it before next time bro
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