Where Did All The Bands Go?
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- In this episode, I explore the disappearance of bands from the charts over the last 10 years.
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It’s hard to split $0.003 between 5 members
Came here to say this
Spot on
idea : lets limit bands to 3 members ;)
lol this exaggeration😂..
So touring and selling merch is out of the question. As is critical thinking these days...shame.
I’m in a uk band. We got signed to an indie label. We did tours of the U.K. and Europe - we did roughly 200 shows in the last 2.5 years. We have great Spotify numbers. There is a level you can get to, and then you can’t go any further. We’ve had people tell us, at every single gig, that we are one of the best live bands they have ever seen - we’ve had die hard Motörhead fans tell us that we were as good as their favourite band of all time. We attracted interest from major record labels all around the world. I’m an EMG endorsed guitarist and have had many other endorsement deals.
We’ve basically quit. There is a block, at a certain level, and it’s almost impossible to go further. The venues aren’t there any more, and certainly in the U.K., the music industry has become so blinkered, and the labels are so unwilling to take a risk on a group of edgy forward thinking guys, with lots of gear and all the work it takes to produce a band of independent thinking musicians.
Much easier to have a singer songwriter, put them in the room with all the labels trusted writers, write the same song that you’ve heard a thousand times, then put them and their acoustic on a festival stage.
We are making our musical world smaller. That’s what happens when you don’t take risks with art - you pander to the masses. But you know what, the biggest achievement of my life was having an idea for what a band should be, according to all the great rock bands of the past, and writing music, releasing it and playing it live on stage…. And seeing fans lose their mind over it. THE PUBLIC LOVE GREAT BANDS AND ARE DESPERATE TO HEAR AND SEE THEM LIVE, the industry has done this, not the public. Cheap, repetitive fast food music.
I’d take the Eagles over that any day.
Not to mention it's more difficult to tour for up and coming bands now, cos of things like Brexit.
@@TheMusicalElitist luckily we have a reciprocal agreement for the arts which allows 12 weeks of touring, but yes it’s still expensive and a bureaucratic nightmare now
Five Point Gang? Just giving you a listen. Awesome so far 👏
It's a familiar tale, will be interesting to see if this is a cyclical thing , at some point i'd expect tastes to change. Maybe Oasis will get things rolling again lol
@@petercaron3799 thank you! We do have more new material being released soon (series of Spotify singles)
Session/live musician here in Nashville. In a 35 year career in this town, I’ve seen the changes you are talking about here and elsewhere. All your reasons at the end are spot on. However, as difficult as it is to be in a band and promote one nowadays, my greatest joy in this business has come from bands that I have been a part of. There is something so wonderful about an actual community of creative people working to bring beauty into a broken world in a live surrounding. At this stage in my career, I still enjoy recording for various artists, but playing in a half dozen bands across genres in a town that loves live music is the most satisfying…None of it will garner 100 million views or followers, but that matters little here. Watching people moved in real time does. Long live bands!
thank you for being a musician and bringing joy to people!
Well said Jeff. I have always loved being in bands.....and still am!
I'm an avocational drummer and lived in Nashville for about ten years. I played in an all-original punk band and really loved being part of a community of encouraging and supportive musicians. We'd play on a four-band bill on a Wednesday night at Springwater or The 5 Spot and we'd all hang around for each other's sets and often the cumulative number of performers was larger than the patrons. The joys of being in a band are many -- collaborating on music, becoming friends beyond the band (my wife had to have serious surgery while I was sick with COVID; the bass player and his wife visited her in hospital), performing even when nobody is listening. And I'm really grateful to have had the Nashville experience where new and original music is valued and sought out. And yes, Nashville has a vibrant and varied punk community!
Young people do not know about leaving their house to go see a band and hear live music. If not on tiktok then it doesn't exist. No wonder the whole live concert scene is mostly filled up with nostalgia acts. Venues will eventually dry up, leaving less room for anyone to perform except for talent contests.
You nailed how local relevance is only important. Thats music. Worry about this in Nashville. People will then always look to Nashville.
As a drummer, economics are everything.
To be a drummer, you (essentially) need a car. That's 250$/mo minimum. To play in a band, you need a rehearsal space. I have no idea what it costs anymore, but back in the 90s it was upwards of 500$/mo; you split that with another band and other members, and it was do-able, but it still cost you money. You need equipment: drums, sticks, electronics?, amps?. You need network of people/friends, which means you need to stay in one city. If you tour, you need a van. All of this is on you, the musician. And then, when you are a little band, you get to a show, the door is split with the venue 40%, they take 100$ for the sound guy, there's always some other cost, the opening band gets a slice, etc.
When I ended my music career of over 25 years, with a band that played regularly for 20, we had a final show. There were about 400 people that came, all paying (ostensibly) 10$/head (But the venue or ticket fees went to those parties, which were upwards of 40%). Then the venue took 40% for advertising and costs; they kept all the drink sales as well. When all was said and done, I think I got 3% of the door.
As the headliner. The whole band got maybe 18%, I think, if I remember everything clearly.
Economics have a huge role in this. There is just no reward for a band anymore other than energy. There's no way to recoup your investment of time and equipment and precision and practice.
I never did it for the money. But the money is a part of why I stopped bothering.
"I never did it for the money. But the money is a part of why I stopped bothering." I can relate sadly... still rocking a KoRn tribute band tho, thats somewhat viable... doin just a few shows a year.
Sadly so. I don't play live anymore; the acoustic kit stays flight-cased, since 2017. I use an electronic kit in my tiny studio now, for remote sessions; that's about it. I do miss the buzz of playing live, but there's so much nonsense and hassle surrounding that short time of being on stage, plus the poor money situation (mostly loss-making exercises for me); then there's the lack of venues in the UK, so many local places just don't know what they want to be - sports bar, music venue, gastro pub; it all got watered down and having live acts a token gesture. It just stopped being enjoyable.
Bandland is depressingly expensive.
Oh, don't forget... After investing in a shed load of expensive equipment, dragging that crap around, setting up in a cramped alcove and attempting to master your sound. Three songs in, the complaints about the volume start. 😑
Most people don't make the economic connection. All the great music that came out of NYC in the late seventies through the eighties happened when the property value plummeted because of drugs and crime. Artists took over because making art was affordable.
Ironically, most of the recent small bands that quit because of expenses have no idea about the big jazz orchestras that disappeared 50 years before them for the exact same reason. Music just gets smaller and smaller.
I’ve been playing in a band for ten years. We write songs and do covers. It’s just hard to find gigs and most venues don’t want to hear original music. It doesn’t stop us though. It’s very rewarding to have someone tell us we sound great and I like your song. It’s what keeps us going!
+, the absence of bands basically equals absence of musical creativity, because music is a social construct. Music does not exist apart from social structure.
Keep plugging away and performing, the soul of humanity needs folks like you.
@@LaplacianDalembertian
It's true. There are no solo artists making great music....
Oh, wait....
What is the name of your band, songs? Where is it located?
respect to the grind
And the labels aren’t even supporting their solo artists anymore! I heard a quote just yesterday: “The good news is you can do it all by yourself. The bad news is you have to do it all by yourself.”
I don't think this necessarily means help from labels but rather help creating songs as this one person has to do all the instruments and the result is purely based on his own creativity instead of the input from different people with their ideas and experiences.
of course you could still hire musicians to help out... then maybe help from labels comes in
While we steal your voice to teach AI to steal your listeners.
@@steeleye11That sounds expensive.
How a foreigner sees the US: Hardly any-one of you could ventilate all his views without getting entangled. So with the bands.
I’m a full-time musician and almost 50 years old. Something I’ve noticed over the last 30 years is that when music programs started to leave the schools, no one was interested in playing any music. That’s obviously going to equate to no bands. However, I have noticed over the last five years. There is a resurgence of young 20 somethings forming great classic rock style bands! my daughter explained that they grew up playing guitar hero so they knew all the old songs. Also, I’m seeing over the last 10 years that many school of rocks are opening. Thank God! There’s an entire generation right now in their 30s that missed out on playing instruments, but it looks like it’s slowly turning around?
I spent half my life in a band, a semi-pro guitarist... Countless hours practicing..... After the laptop/midi stuff got to a certain point, even a hardcore purest as I was, lead me to scratch my head, wondering why I was beating my self to death when I could just plug all the notes in a computer, press Play, and have it sound perfect, right out-of-the-box.
I haven't touched my guitar in 5 years.
@@somenuttysquirrelI'm in a similar position, although I still play many instruments for fun and record guitar/bass and my terrible singing. I can play drums, but acoustic drums are way harder to record and you basically need a studio setup. It hurts because I was always the drummer in bands.
Always had tons of fun in bands and still want to make one, but some of the band break-ups I've been in are just ridiculous. My first band basically just started ghosting me and doing stuff without me, but pretended like they weren't doing anything. They just weren't nice to me one day and clearly didn't like me. So I basically decided "screw you guys, I'll do my own thing."
Now I basically just write songs for fun by myself and the plan is if it ever goes somewhere, I'll recruit a few friends to play live with me. But the point is that I own the entire brand this time. That way no one can take it away from me. It's like how some bands constantly change members, but the frontman always stays because he practically is the band. That's the position I want to be in next time.
Anyway, sorry for the long winded comment. Just wanted to give my amateur 2 cents into why being in a band can be difficult and suck ass, but it's always so much fun in the moment. For what it's worth, I'm also quite young. Mid-20s.
Artists aren't lockstep puppets normally and music makes people think unless it's been industry created studio stuff
School of Rock is now owned by Roark…which is a bit evil and predatory to artists :(. Used to fairly pay teachers…not so much right now
@@MiaTheodoratusI was simply thinking, I’ve known of quite a few “school of rock” schools for over a decade now. What’s weird is how FEW bands end up coming out of those places
My wife is a music teacher and she notices that kids mainly want to sing. They don't want to learn how to play an instrument, no doubt influenced by all the singing shows and current flavours of the month.
I played in bands all my life from the age of 15 to 40, part time/full time. I loved it, and the most incredible part was the coming together with other musicians, making music and playing live. Nothing like it.
Saddens me to hear that not many kids are picking up instruments nowadays...such a shame. They don't realize what they're missing.
My son plays trumpet at school, piano at church, and is picking up the guitar. He's only 11. But I support him in anything he shows interest in. Many parents don't want to be bothered by the noise that comes with playing live instruments, and honestly my dad's generation was a lot more tolerant of it than mine. Most kids want simple, electronic samples (I guess they call music these days) which the record labels are more than happy to sit ten-thousand producers down in front of a computer to keep them happy. Sad times.
@@charlesdjones1 I agree buddy. Older generations were much more tolerant. I think it was just accepted that instruments were loud and made noise. I sound proofed a room in the basement and my daughter is showing some interest in the drums, which I'm happy about, but if she doesn't that's fine too. I'll encourage but not force. We also have a piano and guitars around so hopefully she'll be interested in one of them. Good on your son and good on you for encouraging him. I can imagine the kids out there that would actually like to play an instrument but parents will be "No, absolutely not. Too noisy."
They may want to sing but most can;t. I mean I certainly wanted to when I was 19 lol. Maybe in this era of instant gratification, kids have no patience to learn that instrument. Unless they are introduced to older music they have nothing to emulate. My brother was a guitar player. Why? I think a big reason was us being kids listening to records. Kiss, zeppelin, acdc ect. Looking at the album covers and the group members while listening..just hours and hours on the floor listening
They don't even have to learn how to sing. Ever watched Tik Tok? All you have to do is put on a fun outfit and lip sync to the chorus of hit songs. Talent is no longer required to get a following.
Kids are also overwhelmed with and indulge in other distractions like video games and social media. When they get together they’re on their iphones. Music requires a lot of effort and motivation to learn.
Jazz bands exist everywhere. Unfortunately, not shared in the mainstream. Soooo many younger generations are missing incredible music. Love your channel Rick B. ❤
Zoomers love jazz tho. Their music is way more funky and technical than what my generation of Millennials were doing.
Take hope!
I don’t here any on the radio or see any with over a million monthly streams.
@@gdoodle good thing that jazz has no need for industry clout.
Jazz hasn’t been mainstream since the 1940s
"Video killed the radio star." About a decade after MTV came along, a friend of mine pointed out that band members were now expected to be visually attractive. This narrowed the field of performers, evolving into soloists with cover model looks.
Kids these days still wanna be rockstars. But their rockstars = influencers, not musicians. TikTok may have killed the video star.
The popularity of shows like American Idol showed that people didn't care about bands no matter how they looked. It was all about the singer/performance.
So glad you said this. Prince said this same thing 20 years ago. Paraphrasing: "You started to see the industry change not long after MTV took off. Not blaming them because if you do that, you may as well blame me as well as I was all over that channel back then. It's just when things slowly started to change." Again, paraphrasing, but that was the gist of his argument.
I think it’s because like you said technology has made it much easier to produce music. The editing is easy. The mixing and arrangement are simplified. Many producers are actually multi instrumentalists and writers. With a DAW you can go from concept to full song in a day. Forming, building maintaining and organizing a band for sessions is difficult.😃
I have to disagree, I mean look at Billy Eilish and Post Malone, they're hardly attractive!
It's tough when everyone is working full time jobs but oh boy am I happy that I got a band that's sticking together. Just the act of going to the rehearsal space once a week, meeting your buddies, have some coffee and rant about the week. And then get into the zone and just play/write music together. I wouldn't trade it for anything else to be honest. For me, when we're all in the zone, playing our music together. It's the highest high I could possibly experience. Doesn't matter that we're not making much money, or that we're not getting on some Spotify lists or whatnot. It's Fun, therefor it is Great.
Agree 💯 ‼️Nothing is more fun than getting together and making music in this crazy world we're living in. There is no better feeling than the thrill of playing for a crowd, with your friends, or just jamming by yourself. Best of luck, long live bands ‼️
The world has forgotten that sometimes, things dont have to go further than "it's fun"
And you can finally crank up those 100 watt tube amps :D. The way the guitars scream from the jvm Marshall and the engl savage we run is just pure emotion.
What's your band name?
@@LiveTilliDie We're The Tsunamis, we got a youtube channel with that name where our EP Welcome to Rhode island is uploaded, plus a silly selfproduced music video. (Try searching: The Tsunamis - Surf Satan) Also a couple of live gig clips and whatnot. Our EP is also available on streaming services. Thank you for asking! Appreciate it
As a business consultant for more than 40 years, I know one thing for certain: when an ecosystem lacks diversity, it will collapse. This applies to business ecosystems as well as natural ecosystems. Whether you write and perform songs, or write and publish books, each year we see a decline in ecosystem diversity. As you say, old bands, as well as old writers, are still there. But no one comes up to challenge and replace them any more. Within 10 years I expect these collapsing ecosystems to fail utterly.
They're on life support as it is.........
It is very sad. I am an English EFL teacher and the first thing I ask my students to break the ice is "what music do you like?" as it's easier for you to speak about something you have an interest in. The answer is 99% of the time "I don't know. Anything. Trap music"
There are very few kids now who play or want to play an instrument, let alone be in a band. Learning something is hard work... I almost cried when a 12 year old was wearing a Nirvana shirt on the day of our first lesson, so I said OMG do you like Nirvana? That is so cool! He replied it was a T-shirt he had just picked up from a shop which had replicas of old ones.
Another student who is now 20, once told me "music from the 90s all sounds the same" what can you tell someone who clearly has no idea what they're talking about?
Very dishartening
Our son goes to a private boys high school in brisbane australia. There are about 400 students in the music program. They have enough to put on an 80 piece orchestra and have string and wind ensembles, jazz band, 3 choirs, several rock bands. Thats pretty typical of a private school in Australia. All hope is not lost!
IMO accepting trap music is outcome of bad parenting. Good music taste comes from within family., not so schools or media. Musically uneducated parents generate musically illiterate offspring.
@@MontyRaddimusthat is completely untrue. everyone i know who has great taste has parents that have 0 idea about music. including me. i always discovered it all by myself. and ironically, some of my old friends had the worst music taste on earth and they had parents that are educated (as in uni) and actually have great taste and therefore "the cool parents" it's a shame really. but i do agree on trap music = bad parenting. clearly nobody in those "artist"s lives loved them enough.
@@mellano3 i have never seen anyone that says "90's music all sounds the same" in my age range (young adult) but what kind of ignorance would you have to even form that sentence. my god. it really is unanswerable.
@@MontyRaddimus not true, it all depends on you and the enviorement you grew up, usually people tend to follow friends taste of music and make deep research, i discovered alternative music and grunge due to a friend of mine who liked, also i used to like a lot of metal bands because my friends did so, i liked to find new bands and stuff
Another reason is that the industry (Marketing, Music etc) is pushing deadbrain pop music through all possible channels since the second half of the 90s. They've been promoting Rock as "dead" for so long, because they want people to basically only listen to the music that is the easiest to create and easiest to sell.
True, but pop-rock exists because is pretty easy to mass produce as a lower grade quality version of rock
Is rock automatically better music than pop? Cause there's plenty of shltty rock music, and plenty of corporate rock music. Pop is a massive umbrella and countless quality artists, including some of the best artists of all time, have written great pop records.
Yep.
Nobody is “promoting rock as dead” ffs. What does that even mean?
@@vampiresquid It has been said for years not sure why you never heard it.
As a live sound engineer I noticed this trend unfolding as far back as 12-15 years ago. None of the bands that did form or exist very rarely went on to bigger things. New, full rock bands are still out there, in the live scene. They just seemed to be replaced with a lot of solo artists with an acoustic guitar, particularly around the time Ed Sheeran blew up. Live showcases got quite boring for a long time and I frequently say to people you need to make a few friends that can play bass and the drums. What’s most depressing is the damn cover bands - Abba, Queen, ACDC, Oasis. The nostalgia thing is so depressing.
Metal and its sub genres are the only rock genres growing ( slowly ) but it is.
The tribute bands are also everywhere, it's depressing.
Seems to me it affected women-led bands first. After the cardigans, sixpence none the richer, and ace of base, female musicians have almost exclusively been solo artists.
...the tribute bands are depressing, but people are hungry to hear those bands' music...and not pay $400 a ticket to do so!
I think it stems from sort of a mass psychology transformation of the upcoming generation. Few people today grew up in intact families.. many were raised in daycare centers from their 1st year. In my day, the majority were raised by stay at home mothers until about 6 yrs old. The psychological foundations then allowed for more freedom of creativity (vs conformity). Many things you see today stem from this.
Even the music scores you hear for movies is much lower quality.. much lower aesthetic quality The movies themselves suffer the same way. Poor creativity and aestetics.
Im 58 and surprised THE WARNING hadn’t been mentioned.
THIS is a band to watch out for! 3 sisters from México playing hard rock that will pump your fist in the air!
I haven’t felt this good for years while our heros slowly age and leave us behind on their next journey into awe.
Playing real instruments, vocals raw and in tune and the passion of rockin out!
A new generation keeping Rock alive as a band.
Thank You Ale, Pau and Dany 🤘🏼✨🙏🏻⚡️🌞⚠️🔥🇲🇽🤟🏻
That's awesome! Will check them out. 😁👍
Indeed, seen these 4 times in the UK, they are truly the best pop/rock band around , every song is a masterpiece and if they were around in the early to mid 90's they would have been bigger than Nirvana i reckon.
My wife is forever telling me I'm a crusty old fuck who refuses to listen to anything 'new'. Well. I listened to The Warnings 'Black Holes'. I'm impressed. THAT is what a really GREAT band should sound like. Also: if you've never listened to Tedeschi/Trucks? You're in for a serious treat. Superb band. Alas, there are fewer and fewer bands of this caliber, performing at these levels. Its a damn shame.
There is nothing that compares to a live band that is playing their own music to a crowd of fans. They are giving a piece of themselves individually and collectively, and if you are paying attention it makes you a better, healthier person. I am always grateful for a live performance that is sincere and shows conviction. It doesn't help that too many people are consuming music on ear buds & addicted to skipping tracks.
Yes, nothing compares to bands (or even solo artists) that write and perform their own music. I remember the days when manufactured pop bands like N'Sync and The Spice Girls copped a lot of flak for not making their own music but at least they came from different factories and so there was some variety to those groups. Compared to today when you have less than a handful of the same people that produce and write lyrics for over 80% of the glorified karaoke singers topping the charts.
If you listen to the Warning you don't skip any tracks because all their songs are bangers!
Bands are for people who think of music as an art form that's interesting to pay attention to. Most people aren't like that. To most people, music is a kind of background noise that sets a mood. That's why people are so blown away when AI can generate 20 seconds of music that superficially sounds like a specific genre, but which isn't interesting to actively listen to.
I don't even know that this is a new phenomenon, honestly. Whenever I've done a gig and someone requests a song, they get excited when you start, and they maybe pay attention through the end of the first chorus, tops. Then their attention wanders until you stop playing, and then they clap. The average person's attention span for music is strictly less than 90 seconds.
@@SDsailor7 exactly!!
@@davidcavalari226 Perhaps it is not a new phenomenon, but just a lot more prevalent. A good friend of mine, a hyper business man, never actually "heard" music until marijuana was legalized in California and he started to imbibe. He was shocked that he could "feel" the music and get into a new state of mind. I urged him to keep smoking and hope to get him interested in some jazz one day. Funny that he wanted me to join him to have the same experience. I let him know I have something like synesthesia and with a glass of wine and a bit of counterpoint and harmony I start seeing things.
American Idol. It changed a generation of kid's idea of how music should be presented and that's by a singer not a band focus. Solo singers in bedrooms everywhere started blossoming and going on UA-cam, Instgram, TikTok.....
Good point
This is a solid explanation indeed
Thats a good theory
Absolutely! I definitely sensed a sea change in the way popular music was perceived when American Idol became the touchstone of the industry. Originality and creativity were no longer part of the equation. Band dynamics were no longer part of the equation. It was essentially a glorified karaoke competition and while the singers who rose to the top were undoubtedly fantastic singers, nothing else mattered but the vocalist and if they could sing a well-known known song at a high level of skill. With the massive success of American Idol there seemed to be a great contraction in the variation and originality of popular music. I am not saying it was totally their fault but they were a big part of it. And when you consider the stratospheric success that program had for years and years, It is very sad to realize how very little it contributed to any lasting or memorable music. The vast majority of it pretty much disposable garbage.
Pop idol and X factor ruined music.
Another contributing factor; kids growing up the past two decades have a lot of alternatives to entertain themselves with, specially spending time alone staring at screens.
This removes the urge to “hang out and just do stuff”, which is usually the recipe for band creations.
This is true. Of course 'entertain' has to be used loosely here if I were to say this, as I've never seen much value in what's usually on those screens. I quit TV when MTV gave up real music, and I finally gave up on most social media when I noticed it had little value either.
Spot on. The record industry really didn't have any competition for our attention back in the previous century. Neither did we have all the modern comforts like streaming. Or the Internet in any meaningful sense for that matter. The record industry had by far a monopoly on kids' time. It's not like that anymore. Modern kids are bombarded from all directions by industries that want to sell them stuff. And they're buying.
@@larsinthewoods It’s interesting you called streaming a “ modern comfort”
Absolutely. We have become an isolated society. Fewer and fewer kids just 'hang out'. Internet and phones have completely changed social dynamics.
I'm not sure about that, it's not that bands arnt being made, there's loads of good bands out there, they just arnt in the mainstream charts
Perfect insight, my dude. Please don't ever stop bringing us this content.
This is one reason why guitar lessons aren't as popular anymore. There are no guitar players that kids are looking up to as teenagers. I teach more piano lessons now than guitar lessons. It used to be 50-50 but now it's more like 90-10.
Those female singers need somebody to play those Beth Hart songs. She plays keyboards, acoustic guitar and acoustic bass guitar, but also works with traditional bands and big bands. Yes, a Wah-Wah pedal and rock screams can be used on a jazz song and she has proven (that's an Adele dig that Tim Pierce brought up). Guitarists she has worked with include Slash, Tim Pierce, Joe Bonamassa, Jeff Beck, Eric Gales, Walter Trout, Buddy Guy and Neal Schon.
SOME kids. There are tons who are aspiring musicians. Especially in the metal scene. My son loves metal but listens to literally everything. Hip hop, classic Rock, metal.
@@jonathanolson1185 you are right. Metal even these days has some really good guitarists but of course it's not a popular genre so many get overlooked.
Wow that’s sad
Just saw Iron Maiden in Sydney the other night. Packed, and not just full of us old blokes. Young blokes everywhere, including my 18 year old son. The charts have never reflected what’s going on, except for The Beatles.
The decline of bands is a sad reflection of how fragmented the music industry has become. It's not just about making music anymore-it's about solo fame, fast hits, and viral moments. Bands used to be about unity, creativity, and the energy of a group that created something larger than themselves. Now, with digital production, individualism is prioritized, leaving behind the soul and camaraderie that bands brought to the stage. It's a sorry state when the art of working together is replaced by one-hit wonders and fleeting online trends, stripping music of its depth and emotional connection.
The fragmentation alone is enough to do damage. Back in the day when a popular song came on you knew that millions of people were all listening to it & having the same feelings at the exact same time. It became part of the social/historical tapestry.
But the opposite of fragmentation is what happened. Literally centralizing the industry to streamline profit. There’s a certain economic system that does that, but we’re not going to talk about that.
@@sensorycircuits1338 Absolutely, that shared experience was powerful. When a popular song hit the airwaves, it was like a unifying force-people across the world were tuned in, feeling the same emotions and connecting through the music. It became part of our collective memory, shaping social and historical moments in a way that’s hard to replicate now. With today's fragmented music landscape, everyone's in their own bubble, listening to personalized playlists, and that communal feeling is lost. It’s sad to think we’ve traded those universal, culture-defining moments for fleeting, isolated experiences.
@@andrewneale3266 Yes, the years from 1939 (age of radio) to 2001(first iPod) were special and may never be replicated. We should consider ourselves lucky to have been a part of it.
@@andrewneale3266 The years between 1939 (advent of radio) & 2001 (first iPod) were special & may never be replicated. We should feel fortunate to have been a part of it.
1. Who needs charts
2. support your local venues
3. buy records on Bandcamp
Are you me? Exactly what I would say.
Buy directly from the artist, even beter.
@@DeKempster bandcamp is directly from the artist p much
Exactly! The Billboard Top 100 has not been an indicator of quality in my lifetime.
I have bought lot of cds and lps on Bandcamp. Discogs, too. There are really great bands who cannot even get Amazon to sell thier music today. It's pathetic.
I have been a working musician for most of my life and I was in and formed many bands over my 50 plus years since the late 70s. Since the Dec of 2019 I have had to become a solo musician for both studio and live sessions. My reasons for now being solo are 1- can not find enough musicians with dedication to the project 2- The cost of food, gas, vehicle repairs, instruments, ect 3- No big time agents and producers want to take the financial risk for a band, they would rather play it safe and produce Mainstream cookie cutter acts that are all mechanical merch or that promote the Ideology of the company stock holders. The best bands that ever existed were the ones who had a solid means of financial backing and a producer who would allow them the freedom to just create Art, not Merch.
And I believe you are well known
This is only true in the context of the 'classic' music industry model. There are dozens, if not hundreds of incredible and exciting bands that operate at a different scale who tour and release incredibly creative music without major label backing. The last few years I have seen The Chats, Frankie and the Witch Fingers, Etran de l'Air, Femme, Slift, Budos Band, Altin Gun, King Gizzard, Allah-Las, Levitation Room, Fruitbats , Amyl & The Sniffers, Fuzz, Meatbodies, OSEES, Cut Worms - and these are just a handful of bands BTW - who are all incredible artists with forward thinking or retro-tinged approaches to their music. Are they The Doors? Maybe not - but they rock and they have tons of fans who come to the shows. Jeez, even Dinosaur Jr. are making new music and filling major venues.
Like I said above: IT'S CHEAPER. And at least I'm able to perform live. My last band cost a fucking fortune to maintain. Which is to say, if we'd just broken even in terms of expense, we'd have kept at it.
If you want bands, then please go check out your local rock and metal scenes, wherever you are! South Wales, where I am, has a thriving scene with loads of bands, including my own, trying to make our mark, but the shows are regularly half full at best and the venues are so close to shutting down it's scary! So if you are one of those people that keep asking where are all the bands, but rarely can be bothered to go down your local music venue to check out the new guys, then frankly, you are part of the problem. We are out there, there is loads of great music to be discovered. Go support your local bands and venues, help bring the next generation of music makers to the fore!
A HUGE amen to this! Long Live Live Music!!
Most people don't wanna even leave their house anymore unless to go to work or shop and maybe occasionally go out to eat, it's just too expensive to plan a night out these days for alot of folks
good comment
I think a better way is to look at rating/review sites like Metalstorm (& rateyourmusic) and youtube channels like The Metal Meltdown and Thrails of Metal. Some of the best modern bands are covered there.
South Wales that's where Sassafras, Man and Budgie originated
The thing about being in a band is that, when the chemistry is correct, the creativity is a truly special”greater than the sum of its parts” experience. I find it essentially impossible to elicit the momentum and excitement of my work by myself. The novelty wears off of “total control” pretty quickly. I grant you, if one’s experience in a band isn’t as good as the ones I’ve had, maybe this doesn’t resonate as much.
Such a good point. One need look no further than the Beatles to see that. Sure John, Paul, and George all put out some really nice solo music. But it never even sniffed the magic of when they combined their genius.
I think there are few factors:
1) Individual producer/performer using advanced technology at home
2) It’s hard for a touring band to get recognition (live gigs etc)
3) There’s not a lot of money for bands to sustain them during early years
4) Internet distribution (No A&R selection)
5) Most youngsters don’t pay much attention to music in general.
6) There’s no anticipation for new music or a concept album. We used to wait for a new album to come out and play it together and really take it in and then discuss/critique. A big bonding moment when you listened to a Pink Floyd album together for example!! Topics at school breaks were “Did you listen to so-and-so’s new album ?”.
“listen to an album”, heck my three daughters can barely make it through a whole song.
You forgot marketing.
Corporate music is overmarketed to the point that my friends will hum a song and ask me, "What is that song that goes like..." and I'll reply, Taylor Swift, and their like. DAMMIT!
😂😂😂😂
And Michael Jackson was still able to touch a lot children with his music, as a solo, when he left the Jackson 5 band.
Plus, music journalism and press have dwindled majorly.
I used to flick through the rock magazines to see what was hot and to see what posters were inside.
@@StephenDoty84 with his music and with his own hands.
I just had a conversation with someone last week about how there doesn't seem to be any mainstream rock n' roll anymore. Now I see this video, and it makes total sense.
Being in a band is hard work, and the whole thing can easily crash and burn……But being part of a good band is such a visceral thrill, I cant think of anything I would rather do!
"I cant think of anything I would rather do!"
uh...make money. we all have to do it otherwise we cant enjoy being in a band.
I believe, that we are less than a decade away robot bands. Everything can be set up the same way every time, and robots will play everything exactly the same way every time. An artist will simply load in setlist programming, and the robots at the venue will automatically tweak parameters to fit the room. Live instruments without ego will be everywhere, including hole-in-the- wall dive bars, in short order.
Hard work and not much reward either. I've had the privilege to see some great local talent, as good as any big name. They all had to grow up, get real jobs. I suppose that's better than burning out a heroine addict.
Same here Tod!
Buy a drum machine or deal with a drummer's ego. Easy choice.
Im in a rockband! Im 46 and were going nowhere. I love it!
_'There's nothing wrong with going nowhere, baby... but we should be going nowhere fast!'_ \o/
I'm 50 and I have no idea why I own guitars. I mean, I love playing them, but my only audience is my dog. He's there for every show, though.
@@devolve42 - Practicing an art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow, for heaven's sake. Sing in the shower. Dance to the radio. Tell stories. Write a poem to a friend, even a lousy poem. Do it as well as you possibly can. You will get an enormous reward. You will have created something.
Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without a Country
@@devolve42 But how much merch is he buying?
That should be your band name, Going Nowhere
Shows like the voice, America/Britain’s got talent shifter the focus to vocalists. The problem is the collaborative has been sucked out of the music making g process. It’s disheartening. Keep up the great work, Rick and hope you’re healing well, Bob :-)
but what do they sing on there? music from the 70s and 80s back when we had bands. I hate the world so much
But that is about MONEY. The record CO’s want a pre packaged, star vocalist with a following, they didn’t HAVE TO PAY FOR, and even made MILLIONS “discovering,” It’s ALL about MONEY.
Correct Grammar/spelling anyone. UA-cam shows you that it is wrong ffs.
One of the problems with those shows is that the judges have awful taste in music...So here we are 20 years later and young people today make soulless vapid music because they grew up watching talent shows where the judges liked and rewarded soulless vapid music.
thank you so much for your kind wishes :)
There is so much clarity here .Your love of music, the soul of it, then seeing it erode over time into some diminishing mechanistic drone is depressing to all of us.
It's just marketing. Most people don't even know the other members of maroon 5 or even Foo fighters.
Bruno Mars has had the Hooligans as his backing band for a very long time. Bands like the 1975, Lumineers, Glass Animals are still very popular they just aren't new
There is hardly anything better than playing in a band, making music together, on real instruments, played by real people. As long as there are people who understand this, there is hope. And for some, perhaps also success. But that's not the most important thing, as long as you're enthusiastic about the music.
Agreed! 💜
@@heinwuppdich9110 until you get sick of each others odor on the tour bus.
@@gdoodle or Jeff snoring again next to my ears.
@@gdoodleNo need for touring to have this. A small practice room without ventilation will do.
I drove a cab for 8 years, I picked up a DJ and drove him to a club one night. He asked me what I thought were his most requested songs. I replied "Led Zeppelin and The Who".
I nailed it! I always got my best tips from the children late at night when I played those bands in the car...
Really cool story, dude!
I assume this was in the '70s, right? I just don't see this happening in the 2000s (for instance), let alone after!
Nice, are you based off of the UK?
Actually between 2012 and 2020!@@youreallygotmenow4855
@@gregh5061No, but I have always enjoyed the UK Subs
Ha, 2012 to 2020!
I think it's a symptom of a greater problem today: people don't hang out any more, especially kids. If you want to be in bands, you've got to meet like-minded musicians and hang out. Most of the great band members started doing this as teenagers, even if that wasn't the band made them famous. Kids today don't want to leave their houses. Of course, neither do their parents.
also, most promotion goes from social media which is tailored for persona, not groups
Ok boomer
this just isnt true. granted its anecdotal but kids at my apartment complex are always hanging together. maybe thats just unique to apartments though
there's plenty of bands. just not on the charts.
To me, your comment is precise and grounded in reality.
My nephew and his friends started a band several years ago. They held their 4th Annual local music festival this year with approximately 30 local musicians. They built it from scratch out in the country. And it continues to grow!
They are awesome, extremely talented. And they host this space for a spectrum of all sorts of genres of local acts. It is like music bringing the world together as one. And they are in charge of their own money and music. I’d gladly spend my time and money on supporting these local bands through music festivals as opposed to handing over a hundred or more to everybody but the renowned musicians.
For all musicians, large and small, look to the blockchain for control over your own work.
I was in a rock band until recently. We recorded two albums with a well established rock producer. Mastered everything at WestWestSide in New York. Got great reviews in several UK rock magazines. Tried to promote the album our selves but had good distribution of the CDs and vinyls we printed. But it is so hard to break through all the noise on distribution platforms like Spotify, Tidal and Apple Music. All the work we put in and so little in return. It's just HARD to be in a band these days. We are to old for TikTok and none of us are keen on being a UA-camr. How can we gain audience? It's bloody impossible as It's not about music any more.
i will tell you something you need consistence, over time it will go up, many gave up once they see one song not going a hit, spotify recommends songs randomly when you heard the same genre, 2 popular songs, 1 unpopular thats how it works
@@raufmeisterWhat make you think that over time it will go up? Nothing seems to indicate that.
whats the name of your band?
Kind of silly to watch a video and post on it here and not see the value of promoting yourself without needing a record company. If people like your music on YT, word will spread. Learn how to promote on YT. There is much info regarding that.
@@rwefree9469 yeah, if the music is good enough it will spread
The music industry is ruined. I've been in the business since the 80's. I've seen it change radically.
The music industry is thriving. It's art that is struggling.
For me not only the industry is ruined. Tiktok smashes music into pieces. Even a radiosong with 3:30 minutes is to long for the kids.
@@zulu5157Nah, there has never been a better time for indie artists. You just have to dig for them like people used to dig through shelves of vinyl.
@@ArenHillStrongly Disagree 😏🙄
The industry was already ruined by the 80s. You're just too young to remember the eras before
It all comes down to MONEY or lack of it!!! They have taken away songwriters ability to make millions from songwriting, instead “paying them” .003 CENTS A STREAM. They have taken away the ability for bands to make a living in the bars, paying them in 1963 wages.
So what do people do? 1) Give up (Mutt Lange, Mike Shipley, Desmond Child, Music Row Nashville) 2) Get a real job and get married and have kids 3) Wear 16 “hats” trying to do EVERYTHING yourself ( lyrics, music, arrangements, drums, bass, guitar, vocals, harmonies, mix, master, produce engineer etc) That’s why there are no bands around, and mediocre music
Who is "they"
All the money left the music industry with the start of piracy. I remember how Lars Ulrich was treated like some kind of monster when he tried to fight Napster.
But here we are 25 years later, the music is terrible, and yet people still can't admit that piracy is a huge problem.
Great post! It's now the American way. Greed rules all.
@@nealkriesterer A lot of "they" are people who can no longer afford to buy music, and haven't been able to for years. The greatest demographic in the US are the working poor.
The RIAA has no one but themselves to blame for not seeing the future of streaming, even sharing, before they finally did long after the horse had left the barn. It was all a big money grab for them, protecting what they had, refusing to adapt or change, as everyone else moved forward.
I identify with all 3. I don't care about Spotify 0.003 scraps. If I am happy with the final track and I have couple of likes and a comment. It's bliss.
100% right...
The problem is a lot of the bands these days aren’t making it onto the charts because it’s no longer about talent. But there are amazing bands still out there Falling in Reverse, Ice Nine Kills, Demon Hunter, Greta Van Fleet (if you don’t like metal core) the pop charts have autotune garbage
Whose idea was Autotune? It makes everyone sound terrible!
Don't you ever dare say "amazing bands" followed Falling in Reverse.
There are no local scenes anymore.
No bars/clubs where a local band can play live and get bigger and better. So the bands are dying, and the talented artists just become a solo act.
This is a huge problem for instrumentalists - they don't have anywhere to make money anymore.
Yes. Years ago, when the drinking age went from 18 to 21, it cut out all the college town live music bars, and destroyed the scene. From then on, it gradually because harder to learn the trade, to learn to write songs while you played covers, and find the best of the other guys in the scene to form higher level bands. And since there's less money to go around today, it makes less sense for singers to carry bands of equals with them and have to share the money.
Yep. I live in Milwaukee, WI and with a very small set of exceptions, all bars and clubs only want DJs, cover bands, or solo singer/acoustic guitarists. Even in a cover band its like pulling teeth to get gigs unless you are already well-established from years ago.
Absolutely right
Texas still has a big alternative scene. Teethe being one of the bands.
tulsa ok has a very very big music scene, ^ it’s out there
That's because bands tend to be an organic phenomenon. A bunch of kids get together to make music, get discovered by A&R of a record company, boom (or poof). Modern day entertainment industry DOESN'T DO ORGANIC. Around the break of the century the industry has figured out that taking the "middle man" i.e. the artist out of the equation makes their business less risky and more predictable. So instead of making money searching for artists who want to make music, they took charge and began making "artists" and putting them together from the ground up like a business venture where everything is accounted for and risks are carefully managed.
But then why is the "middle man" not making good music?
Think you my be on to something here. Spice girls was created,same goes for many other at the time N'sync backstreet boys etc.
@@Leo-qe3gl because the zoomers and other normies are just lapping up the garbage that the major labels feed them because they dont search for music themselves. the majors also have control over playlists on Spotify.
Those are good points, but you also have to consider that with the rise of DAWs, home studios and home recording equipment, and streaming platforms, bands don't actually need record labels to help them produce and release songs or albums anymore. This was already happening in the late 90s/early 00s. If I'm a 4 piece band, which is already splitting up the money 4 ways, why would I want to get a record deal and let the A&R Rep and the record company take all the profits from my band? That's not even including money spent on using a recording studio or renting gear. Financially for a lot of bands, it makes way more sense to do it all yourself.
As a card carrying band member for many years, I take offence at the organic phenomenon description. That's record exec speak.
I don't think there's ever anything organic about how bands start.
Usually 1 or 2 people with a band are the ones writing the music, arranging rehearsals, driving it forward, trying to book gigs or recording. There's nothing organic about it. No mystery to it. It's called work. It's planned.
The phenomenon occurs after the fact, if the band becomes famous or gains notoriety.
Bands don't just appear from under a rock.
Honestly it's hard to keep a band together when people don't pay you
I keep seeing people on Twitter who think just about everything should be free. Today it was transit fares and all news.
I really wish I knew what these people did for money. I mean look at streaming now and people freaking out like something is inaccessible if it’s not on a streaming service.
There are so many amazing bands from the 60's and on, anyone younger who likes that kind of music could spend their whole life just listening to all of them. I don't believe it but many people think "it's all been done".
Have to agree, the rock genre is almost like a mine that has been worked to exhaustion.
Part of it is the availability of so much music. When we were younger our only access to music was radio, Mtv, or buying the album. Our focus was narrowed by the limits of what was available. Now there are so many streaming services covering every genre available - and any song or artist on demand - that people are not as readily dedicated to one band (or artist), so their survival rate is much slimmer. It's like an endless buffet where you can't pick a favorite because you're too distracted with the next platter (pun intended). No label wants to invest in a whole band when they can limit the risk to one individual.
You 100% nailed it.... these days, music is no more than fast food ... lots of choice and none of them very satisfying.
Good pun!! 😂
When you hear the radio even the ones that played an specific genre you got exposed to a variety of artist now kids put any artist on a playlist loop and they don't hear nothing else and as someone pointed in another comment the young ones are always at home they live in bubbles they are not exposed to music that is not in their playlists.
nah, its because nobody buys music anymore. They dont have the money to invest in bands, real musicians and pay top studio engineers and producers.
Pretty good explanation of a mechanism that kills culture because of making money by computing.
Another factor is mass media's focus on singers, not bands or other musicians. E.g The Voice. I'm a working drummer and this focus filters all the way down to local acts.
The horrid influence of TV talent shows on how the public perceives music are a whole separate subject.
Is that a terribly new thing though? I'm speaking generally, but I think it's been a thing throughout rock history that when a band has one main singer, that singer tends to get much of the focus in the public eye.
@@TheDoctor394 I know what you mean, and that's true to a degree, but the focus now seems 100% on singers. Rick's point is that's become the commercial reality as well.
@@jrrm3 Yeah, that's true.
I'm in Australia and work in Outside School Hours Care and, as someone who's very out of touch with today's music, there's one act from whom I cannot escape. Taylor Swift. I could hardly name another singer, and certainly no band that any pre-teen seems interested in, but kids here certainly adore Taylor.
I go back to "my" period in the 80s, and I find it hard to believe that if I was an old fuddy duddy back then that I would only be hearing about, say, Michael Jackson. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think I'd have been exposed to Jackson, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Duran Duran and many others, both soloists and bands.
So my thinking has been that it's not only bands that are disappearing, but it's almost like there are fewer "big" musical acts in general.
Music to non musicians is just background noise for vibez you could play the most complex opus and after you’re done they’ll ask you to play something stupid every time
As a working musician in a very active cover band, your videos have helped to us navigate the business aspect of music. It sure as hell isn’t sunshine and roses for too many musicians. I suppose I’m no different than anyone else, I love playing live music, crappy pay and all.
There is NO substitute. Period. Proof of this is how many bands from the last 50 years are still touring (albeit often times with a majority of replacement members) and doing a couple hundred dates a year. The public still appreciates live music.
having played in bands and managed bands for nearly 40 years, I can imagine that technology has enabled solo artists to thrive as it side-steps a huge amount of logistical challenges associated with being in a band.
Heavy sigh. I feel so lucky to have grown up in the 60s and 70s with so much great music. We went outside to play sports, games, hung out, played music. We had three tv channels and we were the remotes. Thank goodness technology was so primitive. I'm in two bands. Old guy rant over.
Yes, More bands then than all the stars in heaven 60s, 70s then centralization and technocracy = the end.
The following comments are from a former professional musician who watched the de-evolution of society in real time over the past 30 years. People have lost interest in going out altogether. We don't go to movies anymore. No more high school dances. No more roller skating rinks. No more drive-ins. No more socializing or courting in general... Unless you count hook-up culture or friends with benefits. Young people dont even get married anymore. Its too expensive for them, and social media has the sexes not even trusting or seeing the value in the opposite sex. People order food in. People watch movies on demand. We go online to see what others are doing with no real skin in the game. Young folks don't care about bands because they can't relate to them. Besides, the music industry today is a smoldering wreckage. Clubs don't hire bands anymore, and when they do, bands are paid the same as they were in the 80's. If there is a crowd, they ask for songs that are over 50 years old. Outside of that, life is peachy!
Called it you literally named this generation Spot on ! Will be glad to have a conversation with a person like you!
Who goes to high school dances?
I care about "The Liliac Band" Bigtime!!
Rock is the new jazz. It's not the cultural Zeitgeist it once was. It's quickly becoming old hat.
@@_not_sure_Steven Tyler. That's where he took a chance.
Music has been devalued and now just mood wallpaper.
For me one of the greatest moments in my life was that first time of being in a serious band and have that thrill when you realise your limitations and the adrenaline rush as it made you play better. And the worst part is dealing with other peoples egos.
Egos man, I can get a sampler and not deal with egos.
@@sensorycircuits1338 Then you competely lose the other members creativity, you know the thing that brings you good memories for the rest of your life.
It is a fact that music has been kept alive by the machines in the ICU since the mid-90s.
But I had no idea the decline would be so evident in the lack of formation of new musical groups...
WOW!
Once again, thank you very much, Rick.
As always, an excellent moment...
It makes me sad. I'm a college student but prefer old school rock from the 50's to about 2007. I know I'm an old soul. I welcome it, but it is hard for me to relate to others my age sometimes lol. Thank goodness for this channel!
And sadly, Boston singer Brad Delp died in 2007. This turned out to be the beginning of the end. 😢
*'50s
well rock was invented in the 50s so you wont really find any rock before that haha
@@DrummerJacob Back in those days, they called it Rock & Roll.
@@DrummerJacobThere was rockabilly and jump blues in the 40s, but those didn't fully evolve into the rock we're familiar with until the early 50s.
Hey Rick! I've been in a band for 25 years. Maybe you remember us, it's called Parmalee. We had a #1 song together years ago. Great video, but there are still some of us out there doing the band thing. Hope all is well.
Thank you for your creativity you’re giving the world, and being a source of positivity!
She feels like Carolina…
Great band!
@@pooskie She looks like California…MAN! I LOVE THAT SONG!
He did a video a few years back about the big song you had.
I ran the numbers on the top 100 songs back to 1960. Bands were big in the 1960-1970 and slowly fell out to the single artist. This means music came from the bottom up rather than top down (control by record labels). Today the most common word found in the title of a song is "featuring" were two artist are paired together in a contractual relationship for one song only. This has been the case for the last 10 years. If you categorize music by 3 groups:
1. Groups
2. Single artist
3. Paired artist (where the word featuring is inserted)
You will see that the 3rd category dominates. There is no mechanism today that allows bands to organically to grow. This has been the situation at least since 2010.
Disco and other producer-driven styles are how the industry regained the leverage it had over artists through the publishing houses in the Brill Building days.
No Limit Records spearheaded this, if i had to guess.
I used common sense and found that due to the transition to digital formats the "Manipulation & Corruption" on a level the music industry had never seen changed everything being disscussed why bands dissappeared basically, the algorithm, etc was programmed not to include them in favour of more profitable and easier manipulated and exploited kids n the music industry
Also that the whole concept of "feat." didn't exist then. You'd just find it buried in the liner notes, or more likely find out years later on a "Behind the Music" or even UA-cam channels like Rick's or Professor of Rock that some famous artist sang background vocals or played an instrument on another artist's track.
The whole 'featuring' thing is way, way older than ten years. It was a huge part of the acid house scene in the late-80s, and, who knows, maybe part of the disco scene before that.
I was in Vegas style show groups for 15 years late 60's through the 70's. It's always about the frontman or girl. The side men are totally expendable. A group gets a really hot singer, they get some attention from some a or casino and the first thing that happened was the singer is told forget your band we've got the best players in the world to back you. The exception is a band that has great songwriters, great singers and great players. Those are the legends we all talk about. They can break through the "we've got the best players on staff" and get signed as a group.
We’re all isolated. I’ve tried starting bands but every time “you listen to that?? r u gay?”
Everyone wants to be a frontman, nobody wants to be creative
When I was in marching band, I always loved being part of the low brass supportive yet sometimes dominant sound. There is a lot of cool music with various sounds backing up the lead sound so well.
Fun Fact: Richard Osman's older brother Matt plays bass at the Brit-pop band Suede. He knows, what he's talking about.
Great band, Suede ❤
Bingo
I listened to Suede when they started and I never knew that.
Saw them in '93, god I'm old...
Suede is trash. They're the litter on the breeze. Just trash. Me and you. It's in everything we do. Maybe it's our cheapness.
Rick - I'd like to ask that you interview a youtuber called 'the kiffness'. He exemplifies everything you have just said but he takes it to the next level. He does it all himself..
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This guy actually has an amazing background (given how young he is). In his native South Africa he used to be the most prolific writer for other bands but when he started to get done in by the recording labels, he placed legal seize and desist orders on radio stations playing his music until he received his commissions. When they tried to play the game of "you will never make any money if you carry on" he turned to youtube and has become a global sensation - far greater than before. He now does concerts in Europe.
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this guy makes it all look so easy and fun, yet he is dripping with talent.
I play in a band. They're my best friends and my biggest enemies. I wouldn't trade playing shows with them for any amount of plays on spotify. Which is why we decided against putting any of our music out there. What we love is playing shows. And if you want to hear our music, you'd better be lucky enough to be one of the 12 lost dunk souls who stumble in on one of our gigs. It's the best and I never want it to change.
A few other things at play (im my humble opinion)
-People make music alone on their computers now, they used to make music together.
-social media has an impact on people, individualism is the norm now, everyone is their own brand. You see this also in how people socialise.
-With entertainment being available 24/7,people don't get bored anymore, I used to play in bands when I was a teenager in the 90s not only for the love of music, also because it was a fun activity and an excuse to meet my friends, we even organised parties so our band could play. A lot has changed with how people socialise.
-shows used to be live, now they are partially pre recorded and musicians are easily interchangeable, festivals love this because they can secure each slot and it's not so important that each musician unique, the more interchangeable the easier it is to find a sub for a gig, also learning a set to a backing track is way easier and can be done at hw instead of a rehearsal room. (yes we used to have sheet music, but the musicians that could rrally read and perform were limited and in high demand, hence why the session musician is a dying breed)
I would add to your list a couple of other drivers that may have contributed to the demise of bands.
- Stricter driving under the influence laws, which in turn, limits younger folks' willingness to support live music in local bars.
- Expense and risk venue owners undertake in hiring unknown bands. Much cheaper more consistent business model to put up big-screen TVs and hire DJs.
@@stratman1192so people got poorer and poorer as the decades went by. Our economic power has been strip mined where people pirate for the inability to afford CDs Uber/Taxis cost money .etc
@@johngddr5288 Hmmm, so explain why football games sell out and large music acts sell thousands of seats at $100+
@@stratman1192 Third party vendors like Ticketmaster are price gouging tickets of music acts. Tickets don't cost that much untill they gain x3-5 of their original price from Ticketmaster. Even for large music acts, its shitty what they do since it affects lower known artists too.
Corporate marketing tells the kids what to listen to.
I also saw a British critic some years ago who said that 95 was the last year a band made the year end top ten. I can't remember who he was. But he felt that rock music will (at the time) go the way of jazz and that small venues and clubs will be the only place to see bands.
That's why the Communists at The Guardian didn't like Oasis getting back together.
the way rock music dies is similar to the way classical music died. as it goes, it is becoming more and more for small circle of "cultured" people (most rock fans are college people into art/social science/IT and so on) and the "ordinary class" feel disconnected
@@pingwang6831 or you just grew up on 80's hair metal in the early 90's and didnt listen to your dad when he said dont listen to the Grateful Dead and would hand you a Priest cassette instead and pop in my GD greatest hits cd with his headphones after they went to bed. 30 years later I still listen to Tesla, Crue, and Poison daily with my JGB and Dead, with a touch of Umph and Phish to finish the day. Jazz is cool too kids.
@@pingwang6831 News to me classical music died, hell of a lot more people supporting it that in Mozart's day , 'cause there are more people. What you are essentially saying is that rock music is now only being listened to by people who actually like it, sounds like a good thiing to me
@@ryanbenedetti-kp2yx true, i think it is not necessarily a bad thing for rock that rock reduces to be like blues/jazz/soul.
There's no money in being an Original band, and It's nearly impossible to get one off the ground without moonlighting as a cover act for weddings and corporate gigs to pay for photoshoots, recording, and videos. Once you make the decision to go "All In" on the original side, the money disappears, quality drops, and guys get frustrated and quit.
Commercially successful music is usually all about the common denominator / the bottom line, and purely a business strategy more than anything else. That means churning out product for the masses to consume and later discard. Most of the public these days consist of NPCs wanting mechanical, repetitive noise to act as a backdrop to their inane existence.
@@brandoshreds Truth. And the original band has to compete with LIFETIME CATALOGUES of a 100 artists the wedding band plays.
Another problem with musicians is that social media has made it easy to just get a UA-cam channel and be on social media and think they’re gunna get famous that way too. It’s pure laziness as far as I’m concerned. But having a UA-cam channel and getting a cheap audio interface to showcase your talents is what everyone is trying to do. Way over saturated
I am 25, and this is a dump account. I am a guitar player, upper intermediate. I am exceptionally hard on myself as a player, but I know I am quite good. I am going to be blunt, my peers are lazy. To be good enough to play something like Ozzy Osbourne Randy Rhoads Tribute, on guitar, front to back (a project of mine ive nearly completed), requires a stupid amount of skill, practice, and hard work. Talent I am not sure fully exists.. maybe intense interest. I fell in love with the idea of guitar and I always knew I was going to play it some day, as young as 9 but i didnt pick it up until i was a young adult. I overcame the difficulties that Ehlers Danlos syndrome causes for me as a player as well, all on my own. I knew what i wanted to do and be and *nobody* was going to stop me, no matter who told me i couldnt do it. I rarely see that drive in my peers. (I literally, 5 months before I got my first guitar, wrote a map of the entire guitar neck and would recite the letters of the frets in my head on each string while going to sleep, hoping to expedite my ability to play and understand theory when i finally got it.)
My peers are lazy and theyd rather watch someone at home on their screen than go out in public to see it. Also everyone is so broke and everything is pay-to-win in america, so everywhere costs a ridiculous amount of money; many places wont even let you in if you dont buy something or pay. I think there is success and money in playing the social media game , but the downside to that is if you dare gain weight, or look wrong, or arent perfect, youll be shredded to pieces or your videos wont do well (at least on instagram).
My peers are also lazy and dont have the motivation to learn anything. The world has sapped so much drive from day one that they dont have what it takes to put effort into anything....I am convinced its the phones. The constant stress phones provide from all the distractions and content and social media RUINS peoples days, every day, and they end up burnt out before even getting out of bed in the morning. The dopamine to effort ratio of learning an instrument is so insane, compared to the "social lottery slot machines" in our pockets, nobody has the drive to try.
We live in a society that does nothing but crap all over creativity and creatives. We live in an era of mathematics and tech, where being a tech bro is coveted and the arts are treated as something to "automate" and get rid of. As it is there are leading voices in tech that want to further cut costs in the creative fields by making them AI........ but tbh modern music feels very artificially generated anyway, so I dont think anyone is going to care if pop music becomes fully AI generated.
I think rock is dead in America because its not profitable enough for capitalism. if you want to play metal or rock, europe is a much better bet.
@@xg2513 I agree, phones are a BIG part of the problem! The whole world in the palm of our hand, it's no wonder people are so isolated and cynical.
Another punch in the gut for Gen X who grew up pre internet, cell phone, and with actual bands to idolize. And we are not even that old.. yet.
Hang on to & support who is still rocking. I've always gone to a few concerts every year. I'm 57, so that adds up to a lot of shows. And I'm going to see Iron Maiden in November!
well we are old, but we're not ready to admit it yet.
Mid 40s to late 50s isn't old? Nah we're old now.
Video games too, we grew up with the rise and fall of the greatest videogames
@rathelmmc3194 - Early 50's and I feel OLD AS HELL!!😜
There are too many distractions today. Years ago, people had to go out to see bands, and they were inspired to play in bands. Today people surf the internet and fiddle with their phones, play video games, or watch streaming TV. First you have to find people who play who are willing to leave their house to play together. Then (good luck) try to find people with the same attitude or tastes. Next comes practice time, but after that...what? There are few places that offer live music. Playing live gives feedback about whether your songs are good or not. The goal of a garage band is to get out of the garage, not play there forever.
Well ... I imagine that a visionary leader could pull all that together with their enthusiasm and charisma, then inspire others to follow.
Rick doesn't even allude to the glaring absence of male solo superstars in today's popular music.
@@beingsshepherd Good point. Ed Sheeran, maybe.
@@Paul_Wetor As with Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Mars, Sam Smith, Justin Bieber, they're contemporary _stars_ but nowhere near an Elvis, Bowie, Michael Jackson level.
Some have even argued that there exist no film stars under the age of 30 today.
What's happened is that we've returned to the pre-60s status quo. In the 1940s, singers broke away from big bands - think Sinatra. Then, in the 1950s you had the singing groups with hired musicians. Finally, the 1960s brought the group-of-equals bands. But even then, there was Tom Jones, Petula Clark, Ray Charles, Chubby Checker, Del Shannon, Dion, Neil Sedaka, Tommy Roe, Stevie Wonder, Bobby Vinton, Sonny and Cher, Petula Clark, Aretha Franklin, Bobby Gentry, Dusty Springfield, the list goes on. Right in the middle of the Beatles and Stones, much of the music on the radio was a singer with a producer and studio musicians.
70s we saw the emergence of the Singer/Songwriter.
@@edlawn5481 That was a Laurel Canyon fad that died by the 80s.
Sir this is not allowed, music only starts from [insert childhood year range here]
AKA capitalism.
i dont see a parallel here...the artists still had to be "artists"...they had to actually know something about music. That is not true today.
It's all about convenience and efficiency. Bands tend to break up more times than not. Today's chart toppers are sound engineers that are shadowed by a mascot (drake, ariana, taylor shwifty, ect). You don't need 5 people to do what one guy with a laptop can do. If they can make a bunch of random goofy mumbling sound "musical," who needs a band?
There's no money in original bands anymore. Clubs don't want to pay the bands anything so the members of the bands are sick and tired of hauling thousands of dollars worth of equipment down to a gig just to not get paid for said gig.
Part of the problem are Live Nation and Ticket Master
wondering what do you mean by original. Like oldschool? Casinos usually take em in. As far as modern bands I've seen plenty, some selling out shows (1000 people) Steel Panther did that in my hometown twice in the same year. There's definitely some bringing in money.
@@Hellenicheavymetal He was talking about "charting" bands. Not local, but Global. It's always been tough on local bands. Tips usually suck but I did get a $50 bill once. I had to sing the damn song again lol.
@@Hellenicheavymetal original, as in songs the band wrote are their originals. not cover songs.
@@blueeyedsoulman yeah i was just trying to say there are new bands out there doing pretty good (like Unto Others and Iotunn) for example. Signed to a major record label. May have side jobs I'm sure but they aren't hurting exactly either. As they still have good production albums etc. But yeah. You're not going to be rakin in the millions. it's not the 80's. Don't care about charts. Some bad songs get charted but i guess it really boosts their popularity.
Yet another checkbox checked on our way to a dystopia.
Yep
Give me a break. So dramatic
lol what? Get over your self.
@@MoeSzyslak20dramatic.. look around you. Everyone sees changes on just about everything. More like open your eyes.
For someone who grew up in the early to mid-'80s, an era when great bands ruled the airwaves, and enjoyed every minute of it, it's appalling the way shitty, pre-fabricated solo pop stars have taken over. Fortunately, there's no rule that says I have to listen to their cookie cutter music, and I can continue to enjoy the bands I grew up with.
Or you can not listen to the charts and instead listen to thousands of new and amazing bands that exist today.
There are still people out there making great original music, in bands. Just have to dig a little deeper now.
Bands require a huge investment in both time and money and while they can make it work short term, unless they signed to a label and bankrolled to rehearse and pay for studio time, it just doesn't make financial sense. Music production shifted to bedrooms, CD sales disappeared, money dried up. There's no money in making and performing music unless you're in the top 0.05%. Band members quit for more lucrative careers (in pretty much any other industry) or it just gets too hard juggling side hustles - too many moving parts. I'm currently in the top 1.7% of artists on Spotify and earning about $100 a month. It's sad but what are we supposed to do as musicians aside from adapt and move on?
There are so many new albums coming out by bands weekly that I can't keep up with all of them, and I only listen to metal. They just aren't on the radio.
Go look at the music coming out of Japan for rock and metal and surprisingly there mostly all girl bands.
Oh dear god! As an ageing band musician and a human being, I couldn't be more pesimistic about all of it. I do thank you for your perspective, Mr Beato.
I will also thank you at this point for transforming my view of Stehpen Wilson, by picking apart his song, 'Drive Home'! You did me a big favour. X have a kiss!
So many young music enthusiasts are reacting to music of the 70s and are blown away by how great it is, I think music is long overdue to.a revisit of true creativity and musicianship that once existed .
Few people want to hear it. People that want real singing, real instruments and guitar solos should be listening to modern blues which makes up about 1% of U.S. album sales.
That's the problem... they react to it, instead of playing.
@@marco31 If they did play, who would care?
70's were mid
There's no way to recreate the culture that produced all that amazing talent. Young people have far more entertainment choices and most would rather play video games and are willing to pay for them.
As a musician friend once said to me
"the band's the thing"
Whether it makes top ten or not, the experience of being in and watching/hearing a live band play is a close to magic as I've ever felt. 😎🎶💙
No money, No Dreams of Recording contracts, No Bands. RIP Reunion Tours
I'm still holding out until the world proves itself guilty of ignoring real music when it was there.
@@JokersNtheOddball There is still some real music there, but it's spread out far and thin, you have to dig for it through the over saturated mess, and it's very much overshadowed by shallow pop for way too many years.
Fuck reunion tours, I want more new stuff!!!!!
@whois3581 yeah I'm just joking anyway. It's horribly depressing for this world to have missed all that music. Living lives listening to bad music.or no music or less... I don't know. What can you do?
There's some truth to this. I think young kids have more social media aspirations than record contracts. 360 deals have killed any kind of romanticizing the record contract because bands can barely scrape by. Instead, they see UA-camrs getting success without the need of a label, thus without the need of a band. And then when you do see a band able to make a decent living, they are a tribute band. Bands seem better off dressing up like a band and playing their music on tour than to get ripped off by labels and streaming services.
Great video, as usual! For extra context, it's worth mentioning that Richard Osman, (the guy referenced in the video),is the brother of Mat Osman, the bassist of Suede, a pretty huge band in the UK, so he has a lot of insight into this.
As a rehearsal and recording studio that has had 1,500 bands passing through our doors over the years, (Coldplay recorded their first 2 EP''s with us), one factor that rarely gets mentioned is that a band usually needs all of it's members to be in the same room at the same time to make music. Many musicians are now working unpredictable shift work, so it is a lot harder to organise time to get together. Big cities are better places for bands to be exposed to a bigger audience, but those cities are much more expensive, and many of the bands that come to us have two jobs, meaning it's really difficult to find the time to rehearse. They get on well when they meet, but they rarely meet due to the cost of living. It used to be that bands would play gigs in the evening and THAT would be their second job, it would help the band to develop, but now with the increased cost of living it's difficult for smaller venues to get people in the door as people no longer have the money to go to those small gigs, and so bands can no longer get paid to play those smaller gigs. The impact of the 'cost of living' means it's both harder for bands to find time to rehearse, and it's also harder for bands to earn the money from those smaller gigs that used to earn the money for them to put into the kitty for the usual costs of running a band. In my opinion, that is the biggest factor that has caused the decline in bands.
I'd argue that those are great & valid excuses. I feel though that in reality, well, one is that people are just suffering socially to the point where they wouldn't even be around folks that would actually enjoy music versus playing Minecraft. And two, there isn't enough demand from both audiences and musicians to, of course, look cool & entertain people they do not know.
I would also say that the decline has been steady since the smoking ban and the increase in the cost of alcohol.
If a Nirvana was out there today, most would probably never hear them. There are no labels taking chances or building careers anymore. Safe pop stars is all they are willing to invest in. The rockstars are gone. I don't see this gen producing any.
Just because labels aren’t financially backing and pushing these bands anymore doesn’t mean they don’t exist. With Spotify and other music curation services, people are getting recommended what they want to hear and support those artists without any mainstream intervention. Essentially instead of the top40 charts telling us what to listen to, Spotify does it for us. This has a good and bad side obviously, the good is it allows lesser known bands to build a following organically, but the bad side is that more mainstream listeners will never be exposed to music outside of their comfort zone unless they seek it out (which I guess goes back to your point about labels, because they’re only going to invest in known entities)
Interestingly, the exact same thing has been happening in the movie industry for over a decade now. Franchise after franchise and no money or guts to take on original material.
The Sub Pop label is still around, we would of heard them. You want Pop punk? The Sixsters a teenage band from Ukraine, they had to flee a war and still manage to put out great music.
@@NicolasMogensenyes I’m TIRED of reboot\ sequel culture…
Rock isn’t quite dead yet but it’s dwindling into a niche specialty. Pop, rap and new country are what’s big now.
There were two venues I used to go to and see live rock bands. One was closed because developers built some apartments close to the bar where the bands played. Then the apartment owners who apparently moved into the city to be close to dinning and entertainment, decided that the entertainment was too loud, so they complained and had it shut down. The other was a larger bar where a lot of rock bands played. They sold the venue to a developer who built a huge multi-level business and apartment block. I'm not sure which came first, bands declining, or venues closing.
One great thing here in Melbourne Victoria Australia is the “Agent Of Change” law we’ve had for about a decade now. A lot of apartment complexes started to be built near live music venues as gentrification of once uninhabited areas took place. Then the noise complaints started with the new residents.
The Agent Of Change laws passed in 2014. Basically if YOU are the “agent of change” ie; you weren’t there first, it’s up to YOU (builders developers etc) to build in appropriate levels of soundproofing, entrances not near venue entrances etc. on your new apartments.
Back when land was cheap, the music was plentiful.
From The Kinks "Come Dancing":
They put a parking lot on a piece of land
Where the supermarket used to stand
Before that they put up a bowling alley
On the site that used to be the local palais
That's where the big bands used to come and play
My sister went there on a Saturday... Come Dancing...
Now I'm grown up and playing in a band
And there's a car park where the palais used to stand
My sister's married and she lives on an estate
Her daughters go out, now it's her turn to wait
She knows they get away with things she never could
But if I asked her, I wonder if she would... Come dancing....
Joni M. - "They paved paradise, put up a parking lot"
I played in bands from 2004 - 2020. I was never famous but opened for a lot of well known rock bands. There were live shows in multiple places in pretty much every city just about every night. I knew people who would watch live shows every friday and saturday night. That all ended when covid hit and things have never been the same.
Covid really screwed things especially for smaller and mid size venues (not to mention the artists/bands). They haven't been able to return to the same profit margins they were making even in 2019. Bands are now seeing their merch sales being cut into by venues which is bullshit. Ticketmaster and Live Nation are a big part of it. That duopoly (really a monopoly imo) needs to be stopped/broken up or at least heavily regulated for the survival of the live music industry. As a musician and fan myself like you this is a topic I am greatly passionate about.
yeah i heard most bands cant even get a rehearsal room these days after covid. so sad
@@6ch6ris6 We were paying something like $200 - $250 CAD per month for our space. I'd hate to see what the price is now. I wouldn't be surprised if it was made into something else to get more rent money, but it's attached to a mechanic shop and the setup would make it hard to convert to something else.
I completely disagree, as somebody who also was active in bands around that same time. I think whatever hit live music took because of Covid has since come roaring back. I think the loss of smaller venues has been a more slow and gradual thing for the past 20 years
@@6ch6ris6 what are you talking about? It’s not 2020. We aren’t social distancing anymore lol. That’s nonsense
Rick, I really hope you read this because I think this ALSO has a huge impact: The lack of live music venues getting bands to play is also a HUGE issue. I was in a band from 2012 - 2020... and getting shows in the SF Bay Area was SO difficult. So many venues were shutting down and a lot of it due to how ticket pricing makes it harder to keep venues alive and keep up with LiveNation/TicketMaster. These venues were giving up cus they couldn't bring in the numbers, and charge the ticket prices they needed to.
Once we got a couple shows under our belt, it was a LOT easier to get the same venues because they liked us, liked our music, and liked the crowd we got... we brought our entire sound system, mixers, speakers monitors if we needed to, which also got a lot of other bands inviting us to shows... but surprise surprise, they were the same venues that already knew us and liked us. Getting to different venues was difficult because they couldn't chance it on a band, solo artists made better cuts.
I tell high school students all the time to start bands ...hopefully it comes back around ..lot of live shows everywhere but they are just not in the mainstream
It won't. The publishing companies have made it too expensive for local venues to host bands.
Of course - that's what Garages are for!
I have seen a slow return of bands though, one excellent band is Greta Van Fleet who have this great late 1960's, early 1970's rock sound.
@@NecramoniumVideo Just stop with them. Great, a bunch of industry (Robert) plants playing at being Led Zeppelin. Yuck.
@@matturner6890 I feel like this comment sums it up. If you don't play in a band, people will say it's a sign of the end of an era. If you do play in a band, you're an industry plant and it's the end of an era. A lot of people are deadset on "if it's new, it sucks" to the point where any option proposed is bad to them.
I'm curious about this topic too. My daughter who is now 33 is a rock music fan. She listens to many bands and solo artists. She always sends me links to new artists she likes and all of them are solo artists. No bands. When she was a teen she listened to Fall Out Boy, Linkin Park, Cold Play and a slue of emo punk bands. Which I believe she still listens to them today. But I noticed her taste in music changed. So I asked her why she listens to the artists of today. Her answer was spot on your topic. She said there aren't any bands that make much music anymore. This is from a kid, now a woman who grew up on my stuff, '60's, '70's and '80's rock. I, at times, feel kinda bad for her.
Point her to a band called "The Warning", preferably the more recent live performances on YT.
This is why I listen to Japanese rock. One OK Rock. The Birthday, Man on a Mission. All great groups. I find a lot of group at the Fuji Rock Festival live streams
I have a lot of Japanese music, across a lot of genres. I mix it with the music that I grew up with. I listen to very little stuff that comes mostly from the present day in the US and the UK.
sadly bands are also going to be done in a few years once people born in the 80s and 90s die, young people listen to vocaloid and electronic music mainly, im talking about people in their 10s and early 20s or to make it easier people born after 04
I recently rediscovered the Turnpike Troubadors. The song writing, originality and depth of music is stunning. Why aren't they more popular? I'm convinced we have lost our good taste is all. Just like when we buy things-we look for cheap, throwaways-exactly like what we seek today in music. Love to see you do one of their songs-maybe the Bird Hunters?! Keep up the great work!
That's why I'm totally in love with bands like The Warning, Bandmaid and Lovebites. They make me feel alive again! Gosh! They are so damn good!
I expect The Warning from Monterey will make their mark on the charts as a band before it’s all said & done. They have a great old school rock & roll aesthetic while writing exceptional songs that echo their musical influences while still maintaining the unmistakable The Warning sound 🤘🏻😎
Agree!!
They're in Atlanta Sept. 27.🤘⚡
@@louiebee6745 seeing my first TW show in October 😎
Young people Suk
I'm seeing them in Baltimore tomorrow!
You forgot one of the biggest reasons everyone suffering from social anxiety and having no friends.
I have been a musician with a day job since the mid 80s. I never expected to "make it big," and I played for the sheer enjoyment of it. The shift for me was not about band dynamics or pay, or lousy gigs-- it was four-hour shows 80 miles away that start at 9:30 PM.
If it's a room full of live music fans it's worth it.
@@ccampau Agreed, but for small fry like me, a room full of fans is 80 people.
Another reason: Less and less rehearsal spaces. Which is of course also due to the skyrocketing rents and house prices.
It saddens me that guitar-driven rock bands have all but disappeared from mainstream culture. Ditto all the funk, soul, and R&B groups that used to dominate. But I'll always have all the awesome music recorded from the 60's to early 90's to enjoy :) Ditto with other genres: I'm not overly worried that tastes changed and small-combo jazz was driven deep underground (in part by rock and pop) to become an obscure niche. Or that Classical music makes up only a tiny percentage of ticket and album sales.
i dont enjoy listening to the same music over and over.
@@caseyjones3522 I do if it's good, and as someone who likes different styles and genres, I literally have centuries of existing music to fall back on. Which is not to say I don't enjoy new stuff, too, but I'm not going to get too worked up about inevitable changes in popular taste.
*'60s to early '90s
There are still modern bands around with original music that would've fitted in just perfectly years ago had they been born a few decades earlier. Two obvious examples are Halestorm and The Warning but there's plenty more if you go looking.
I agree, it's not getting any easier to put a band together. A lot of musicians struggle to find one collaborator, let alone a full band.
Rick's totally correct that in today's age it is much easier for an artist to create & record music themselves without forming an actual band. When anyone can do the Trent Reznor thing with their home computer, it's hard to imagine many artists seeking out (and bickering with) other musicians just to create a song with multiple instrument tracks.
The pipeline for new bands is dry because it's basically impossible for up and coming bands to make any kind of living. Clubs are still paying a few hundred for a band per night which I hear is similar to what they paid decades ago despite much inflation since then. If you're only going to make a few hundred, better to be a solo act than have to split it 4 or 5 ways.
I have been playing lead guitar, keyboards, bass, and mandolin in a band for over 40 years. We have written, arranged, recorded, and mixes our own songs. The songs we write are very very good and we play covers. It is a sad state the direction the music industry has gone in over the past 20 years. I haven't listened to the hit songs from the past 15 years. Most of them sound the same. I am also not a fan of rap and hip hop. I still listen to the bands from the 50s, 60s, 70, and 80s. IT TAKES MORE TALENT WHEN A BAND GOES ON STAGE AND PLAYS THEIR OWN INSTRUMENTS AND SING! I think it's just LAZY for some artists that go onstage with piped in music in the background like Karaoke. Thank you for the video Rick.
Mumble rap nowadays SUCKS definitely
But even if you’re not a hip hop fan, you must acknowledge there is REAL authentic hip hop that’s not mumble rap. I think it peaked in the 80s/early 90s. LL Cool J, Run DMC, JJ Fad, etc
Scaryoke😢
@@lessismore8533 The early 90's was great for rap/ Hip Hop, but by the mid 90's that was starting to fade big time.
@@lessismore8533 To each their own. I am a big fan of Rock and Blues since the 50s and 60s. I know there are some Rock songs that sound like garbage but I do not like ANY of the rap and hip hop from any decade. I do not like Opera either.
Young people are not anti-band; many of them look to the past when bands made inspired, creative music. They like those bands.
Just like Classical Music fans listen to Bach and Beethoven, etc. They aren't interested in new symphonies.
Today's young people are consumers, not creators. It's not entirely their fault. When you are raised in such a media-rich environment, there is no void to drive the creative process. Just as necessity is the mother of invention, boredom is the mother of art.
@@edlawn5481 true, feel like Jazz is similar in that regard unless you live in a city with some jazz clubs and are able to see new acts. When i go to listen to Jazz im listening to Miles or Coltrane generally, not anything new.
@jakeviolet2195 My kids, perfect examples. Everything they could ever want to consume, at their fingertips, 24/7.
@@NateWolfsoni feel like that's where rock is heading. the new generation prefers to listen to legacy or established rock bands whom been around more than 15 years ago.
Your analysis is spot on. The internet and fact that talented musicians can make full blown productions on a lap top at home has giving rise to a saturated market . And the fact that you can get this music basically for free is another stab into the music industry. For many singer songwriters musicians it becomes too much of a mountain to climb especially when you see and hear a 12 year old who sings as good as Adele from Eastern Romania or a 10 year old playing electric guitar like Hendrix. The bar is set so high and the reality of being in a band and becoming rich and famous seems almost unattainable.
We'll see a resurgence. I teach kids who listen to classic rock from the 60s all the way through to the 90s and they're not particularly a minority. I also teach in a very working class town.
Some of the kids are starting bands and their peers love it because it's novel to them: they've literally not been surrounded by them.
I like to remain optimistic anyway.
I noticed that too. I never listened to my mom's music even my older sisters music was dated. Today's young people listen to my music.
Thank you so much for your perspective! Always wonderful to see a more centered and less black-and-white view of things. I am in that demographic so I appreciate being acknowledged
My 12 year old grandson plays drums in school and hopes to be a musician / computer engineer someday. Surprisingly, he knows of and enjoys a lot of the old bands from the 70s and 80s. Maybe there is hope for the future after all. ❤
Another reason to love metal. Bands never went anywhere and they actually write interesting original content still
Was signed to Interscope early 00’s when the transition started. You hit the nail on the head with the labels stepping in.. The movement was 100% driven by the labels not the consumer. Lazy marketing departments decided it was easier to market an individual persona
Congrats on getting that far though.
These days it's easier for individuals to market themselves and labels look for artists who have already built a following or have a song that is blowing up rather than putting effort into making that happen for artists they believe in.
It's so magic to play in a band that I will do it even if there's no fans, no venues, no money. Muscians, play in bands! There's nothing more fun than that.