What happens in Skyrim if Harkon wins?

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  • @FudgeMuppet
    @FudgeMuppet  Рік тому +386

    Remember Skyrim's vampires don't need to feed! Full deep dive with lots of considerations here ua-cam.com/video/S_91jK1aAeY/v-deo.html

    • @baval5
      @baval5 Рік тому +16

      they dont need to, but they like to

    • @Chuklz70
      @Chuklz70 Рік тому +1

      I’m sure he wouldn’t be bored at least

    • @Undomaranel
      @Undomaranel Рік тому +16

      Hence why Serana eats bread rather than ever biting anyone. Molag Bal is about _choosing_ domination and forcing others, so requiring his creations for feed would be less about them choosing his way and forcing others vs them just going along with his plans.

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому +1

      Ohhh I never knew that! Very interesting!

    • @michaelpettersson4919
      @michaelpettersson4919 Рік тому +16

      Excuses not to prey on people sort of ruins the vampire concept. In the movie "Daybreakers", set in the modern world, vampires have taken over the world and the protagonist is one of them. In Daybreakers they have to work with the rules. Vampires have no reflection so a camera display a picture of the user on a screen i the bathroom. The protagonist is a hematologist desperatly trying to invent synthetic blood to feed the masses since without blood they wither into monstrosities. What little blood that can be harvested from the few remaining humans, that are kept in an artifical coma to be tapped for as much blood that they can survive to be rationed down to as little as a few drops in a cup of coffee.The few still free humans are mercilessly hunted to be captured. But Skyrim got it absolutely right, if Harkoon wins he ruins the world for everyone, including the vampires. Non Harkoon aligned vampires often gets it and may even offer bounties on vampires that threathens the masquerade. But in my opinion vampires SHOULD have a horror hunger. Imagine if Serana HAD to feed and it then would be a question of what targets she would be allowed to choose.

  • @Galimeer5
    @Galimeer5 Рік тому +4747

    Imagine being able to side with Harkon, making Serana the final boss

    • @thesurvivorssanctuary6561
      @thesurvivorssanctuary6561 Рік тому +65

      Does she get new powers?

    • @shitygrity
      @shitygrity Рік тому +414

      @@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 she’d probs jus go beast mode through powers she gained in the soul cairn or summin along those lines (but still get fucked by the DB’s max smithing and enchanting)

    • @guerillagorilla4423
      @guerillagorilla4423 Рік тому

      @@shitygrity The DB would probably fuck her in other ways too 😳

    • @nocturnal2284
      @nocturnal2284 Рік тому +19

      If that was possible would she get like new powers?

    • @Spike2276
      @Spike2276 Рік тому +114

      ​@@thesurvivorssanctuary6561 one has to imagine that her and Valerica are more powerful than Harkon since they are the ones who got the Volkihar strain of vampirism from Bal directly, and then likely passed it on to Harkon

  • @SomeGuy-gc8zs
    @SomeGuy-gc8zs Рік тому +3425

    Harkon didn't think things through that far; if all the mortals die, _what the fuck is he going to eat?_

    • @sheogorath6834
      @sheogorath6834 Рік тому +203

      He doesn't need to feed.

    • @swampdonkey1567
      @swampdonkey1567 Рік тому +303

      Also red light works kinda for some plants and more importantly the sun isn't a sun its just a whole leading to magical energy from Magnus

    • @absolutedegenerate2992
      @absolutedegenerate2992 Рік тому +2

      ​@@swampdonkey1567hole

    • @sumgoofygoober
      @sumgoofygoober Рік тому +184

      Dwemers left artificial suns in their ruins.

    • @maxwella.gamingps4631
      @maxwella.gamingps4631 Рік тому

      All mortals wouldnt die. Stop spreading this nonsense. The sun is blotted out, not blocked. The rays are still gonna feed the plants and bring warmth. All the red blot does is stop sypressing vampiric powers.

  • @GnuIsIn
    @GnuIsIn Рік тому +1711

    Pretty much what valerica said in game, it would attract too much attention to vampires and they would be wiped out

    • @thesurvivorssanctuary6561
      @thesurvivorssanctuary6561 Рік тому +112

      They could hide underground, and subsist off human chattel alone; but ultimately, being the King of a dying world affords you less power then being a servant in a utopia.

    • @DrLukeHart
      @DrLukeHart Рік тому +21

      Some serious Teshum Mutna from Witcher 3 vibes.

    • @6Tainted1370
      @6Tainted1370 Рік тому +47

      Exactly, in desperate times, there would most likely be unity, especially if there's a common goal...or whatever I dunno, I just want to sound intelligent.

    • @badluck5647
      @badluck5647 Рік тому +66

      *Valerica:* _"If eternal night fell, there are many who wouldn't stand for it. They would raise armies in attempts to return things to normal. The order of the day would be our destruction until every last vampire was hunted down and eliminated."_

    • @noangles1564
      @noangles1564 Рік тому +12

      I very much doubt the Thalmor and the Empire is gonna to team up. Honestly i think they'll try to blame each other, because people suck, and panicking people are vicious

  • @8-ball350
    @8-ball350 Рік тому +770

    Imagine a union between the empire, stormcloaks, aldmeri dominion, and every vampire hunting faction in Tamriel just knocking on harkon’s door one day 💀

    • @thevashfan12392
      @thevashfan12392 Рік тому

      we'll call it "The Last Alliance" and it'll happen to end the 4th age and usher in the 5th age, but we'll call it "a new age" just to throw people off.
      then todd howard will pay-to-win the whole game and hire the entire marketing team of EA to turn everything into microtransactions.

    • @epickrimson72
      @epickrimson72 Рік тому +92

      That would have been a cool Season Unending alternative. The Empire, Stormcloaks, and Thalmor all agree to a temporary ceasefire to band together against Harkon

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому +41

      You actually can make peace between the stormcloaks and the imperials. So the idea of them working together is very lore friendly

    • @arthurfisher1857
      @arthurfisher1857 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@theonlineanimal6009 how? You can make a temporary truce but I didn't think you could make peace

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому +11

      @@arthurfisher1857 you have to use the greybeards there are tutorials online.

  • @mrclean29
    @mrclean29 Рік тому +916

    I think the “bloated sun” we see is more of a magical thing than just realistically blocking sunlight.
    Even when you do throw the arrow there is still light, it’s not as dark as nighttime. So i suppose crops and wildlife would continue to exist to some extent.
    Even Serana and Valerica who are against this plan do not mention the crops and wildlife dying, they just mention everybody would go against the vampires if he does it.

    • @EA_SP0RTCENTER
      @EA_SP0RTCENTER Рік тому +132

      Ive always hated the "plants will die" theory, it comes off as a cope
      Its like they forget that novice mages can create balls of light that can hover over anything they want

    • @Chris-es3wf
      @Chris-es3wf Рік тому

      ​​@@EA_SP0RTCENTERagical balls of light probably arent the same thing, and the change in climate would clearly be a deathblow to majority of crops, leading to famine, rioting, and geneal disorder. So no, its not cope. All the light bulbs in the world wont help if the sun is blocked. Ffs.

    • @baciotychu4704
      @baciotychu4704 Рік тому +31

      Thank you, i was gonna to write it myself. I still think harkon is an idiot but this theory is alsko stupid

    • @willswenson3169
      @willswenson3169 Рік тому +1

      ​@@EA_SP0RTCENTERwithout the sun, there'd be significantly less magicka bleeding into Nirn, so that'll only work for so long

    • @carloscrispens4816
      @carloscrispens4816 Рік тому +45

      Darkreach shows that flora and fauna still thrives even in harsh conditions.

  • @stunner9005
    @stunner9005 Рік тому +281

    The gods of Tamriel would probably intervene if the vampires “won”. Because it would mean that once again the Daedra threaten the world.

    • @carastone1897
      @carastone1897 Рік тому +22

      No they wouldnt. They havent done much of anything throughout the millennia of the races murdering one another or discrediting one of their own newly made "gods", nor did they do anything when the demons ran rampant across the continent or world more likely. And giving them credit for what WE do as the protagonist is an insult to the countless people who played the games.

    • @MeanAndPristine
      @MeanAndPristine Рік тому +11

      Technically Auriel did intervene

    • @teyrncousland7152
      @teyrncousland7152 Рік тому +62

      ​@@carastone1897
      You do realise that the player heroes are champions of the gods right?

    • @kekero540
      @kekero540 Рік тому +63

      @@carastone1897 erm Akatosh? Shezzarine? Kyne giving the Thuum? Pelinal whitestrake?!? Your statements are just wrong. They have intervened time and time again. Constantly.

    • @danilima6970
      @danilima6970 Рік тому +12

      I wonder what meridia would do.

  • @ahumannamedjon2644
    @ahumannamedjon2644 Рік тому +993

    I'm sure someone will defeat him, whether it be the Ebony Warrior, Alduin, or Ulfric Stormcloak. Harkon is powerful, but there are others who wield a greater power.

    • @Kelpo45
      @Kelpo45 Рік тому +98

      Main quests and DLCs are canon so it's just the LDB that defeats him with Serana

    • @Bumbledrop
      @Bumbledrop Рік тому +256

      It would be sick if the Ebony Warrior just walked up to the castle and slaughtered them

    • @k-rodkev-dog7449
      @k-rodkev-dog7449 Рік тому +133

      Well Ulfric is a Beta so I'm sure Harkon would just eat him. The ebony warrior would be a good match though

    • @izakireemsi2783
      @izakireemsi2783 Рік тому +36

      @@k-rodkev-dog7449 Not without an Army of Stormcloaks I guess

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 Рік тому +86

      ​@@k-rodkev-dog7449 Ulfric knows the Thu'um and has an army on hand. He only loses after being ambushed and then by a stroke of luck gets a second chance thanks to Alduin, whereupon he only loses because of the Dragonborn opposing him.

  • @badluck5647
    @badluck5647 Рік тому +79

    *Valerica:* _"If eternal night fell, there are many who wouldn't stand for it. They would raise armies in attempts to return things to normal. The order of the day would be our destruction until every last vampire was hunted down and eliminated."_

  • @nonamex6536
    @nonamex6536 Рік тому +133

    The Ebony Warrior still claps Harkons cheeks. Don't worry boys he will get his by the Nines.

  • @alexander349
    @alexander349 Рік тому +32

    Dawnguard ranks would suddenly swell. Meridia herself would also likely take great ire with Nirn being ruled by undead vampires. Every empire in Tamriel would likely put aside their differences, realizing no one benefits from infighting and Castle Volikar would probably get wiped off the map

    • @hebercluff1665
      @hebercluff1665 5 місяців тому +8

      You're the first I've seen to mention Meridia. Why isn't everyone else taking her into account? If the world was ruled by vampires, she'd go bat sh#t crazy!

  • @Kangaxxter
    @Kangaxxter Рік тому +295

    The existence of life in Black Reach pretty much discounts the "killing the sun kills Tamriel" theory. Yeah, it might be cold, but Vampires are undead and resistant to Frost

    • @EndoScorpion
      @EndoScorpion Рік тому +21

      But don't they need blood to sustain themselves? Where they getting this blood from if all life is gone?

    • @tbazz95
      @tbazz95 Рік тому

      ​@@EndoScorpion no they don't. They only take blood when they want to look like a normal man or mer. Other than that, free reign

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому +14

      @EndoScorpion Apprently they don't need to feed on humans.
      News to me.
      But humans do need to eat, which would significantly decrease the population overall

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 Рік тому +12

      ​@@EndoScorpion Harkon's strain grows stronger without blood. He's single-handedly wiping out mortals and other strains of vampires in one fell swoop.

    • @Chimerathedragon
      @Chimerathedragon Рік тому +25

      ​@@EndoScorpion I don't think they need to feed at all, it's just something they do because they Feel Hungry it's not that they actually are hungry, I mean they're Dead, it might Drive them insane or feral but they can still exist without it, to my understanding

  • @ailius1520
    @ailius1520 Рік тому +44

    It might not cause crops to die if it's only blocking out the higher wavelengths of light. It's still letting the red wavelength through, and that's where most plants absorb most of their energy from.

    • @DominionSorcerer
      @DominionSorcerer Рік тому +10

      This entire line of thinking forgets the sun in Nirn isn't like the sun of Earth, it's just a gateway for magic to get into world.

    • @alexdhamp
      @alexdhamp Рік тому +3

      ​@@DominionSorcerer That magic could be Nirn's version of sunlight, though. Do Nirn's plants subsist on this magic like Earth's do sunlight?

    • @swampdonkey1567
      @swampdonkey1567 Рік тому +1

      ​@@DominionSorcererso could it only be blocking the energy hurting vampires?

    • @thevashfan12392
      @thevashfan12392 Рік тому +3

      @@swampdonkey1567 effectively, yes. the effects of auriel's bow blocks the magic that harms vampires.
      it'll allow vampires "eternal night" which would probably evolve into making them enhanced like a blood moon on earth.

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому +1

      @@thevashfan12392 it would still cause world wide panic. Entire armies would rise against the threat of vampire taking over the day. The one vampire chick said so herself

  • @cearlach32
    @cearlach32 Рік тому +36

    I wish there was a 3rd option to this dlc a dawn guard that allowed vamps and were-beasts and helped those who wanted a cure/to control them selves since there not all evil just all the ones we run across apparently

  • @crustyrivet4600
    @crustyrivet4600 Рік тому +10

    You would think Blackreach would've been a vampires paradise.

    • @iAproxx122
      @iAproxx122 Рік тому +4

      it is in the Elder Scrolls Online Greymore DLC

  • @masterneloth
    @masterneloth Рік тому +43

    Listening to this makes me realize that all Vampires are doomed no matter what.

    • @thevashfan12392
      @thevashfan12392 Рік тому

      they are truly a dying breed, created by unnatural means. the natural world will ebb and flow to equilibrium which in rare cases means diluting until it's no discernible difference.

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому +6

      Only if they take over the day. As long as things remain normal. They will have balance and continue to survive

  • @theluminousone5883
    @theluminousone5883 Рік тому +42

    Theres actually a mod about Harkon Winning in Dawnguard. It gives you a time limit and if you dont complete the dlc, you get a special game over. You cant play AFTER he wins but still. It's called "End Times of Dawnguard" on nexus mods (a spinoff mod of "End times" which does the same for the main game)

    • @frzlotgaming472
      @frzlotgaming472 Рік тому +1

      Is it on console?

    • @theluminousone5883
      @theluminousone5883 Рік тому

      @@frzlotgaming472 I dont know, if you have a pc its on nexus mods, but the only console version i have is switch.

  • @casual_ayks8987
    @casual_ayks8987 Рік тому +12

    harkon's infinite tsukuyomi backfires

  • @derigel9783
    @derigel9783 Рік тому +39

    But what does Auriels Bow actualy do? Does it close the whole into the Aetherium (aka the Sun) or does it overcast it?

    • @alexdhamp
      @alexdhamp Рік тому +18

      I've always thought that it puts some kind of magical filter over it. Only stopping the part that harms vampires.

    • @luciusvoldaren
      @luciusvoldaren 11 місяців тому +8

      When a vampire blood soaked Arrow is shot at the hole to Aetherius(the sun) the Daedric powers of molag Bal within the blood lessen and even begin to overpower the Aedric presence of Magnus, thereby lessening the sun's negative effects on vampires.
      On the other hand, when a sunhallowed arrow is shot through Auriel's bow, at the sun, not only is the arrow getting boosted by Auriel's power himself, but also by Magnus and Aetherius itself as the energy from Aetherius rain down on your enemies.
      Lore wise, it effectively turns your arrows into nuclear weapons, but we obviously don't get that in game because it would be busted.

  • @zaristophanes2
    @zaristophanes2 Рік тому +37

    Strange how there are no comments, anyways harkon was very short sighted in his goals

  • @hunterlovejoy7651
    @hunterlovejoy7651 Рік тому +5

    People say it would kill all life but all dwemer automatons, falmer, mushroom species, and chaurus would be just fine

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому

      Ah yes. A bunch of blind canibiles. Crude robots and some mushrooms. That totally makes up for all the cities humans starving to death.

  • @spike1269
    @spike1269 Рік тому +3

    As Valerica says, there would almost certainly be intervention by the outside world, but what really matters is that exceptionally powerful organizations such as the Psijic Order or the Imperial Elder Council would likely intervene, against which Harkson stands absolutely no chance.

  • @purpledevilr7463
    @purpledevilr7463 Рік тому +2

    They’d have to feed on the Falmer.

  • @decornizeoption3639
    @decornizeoption3639 Рік тому +1

    Delphine: it's the thalmors I know it

  • @SuperLumianaire
    @SuperLumianaire Рік тому +35

    I think plant life would adapt. I mean, most living beings in Nirn are magical in nature, so surely they'd adapt to the dark magic of a constant red black sun over time.

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому +7

      But fast enough to save the human population? And feed it amd feed their animals. With an increase in vampires, and vampires essentially rampaging .....

    • @SuperLumianaire
      @SuperLumianaire Рік тому +1

      @@CountryLifestyle2023 not sure. Only theorizing, should have stated as such. You bring up a valid point.

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому +7

      @Travis Walls not saying your wrong, just don't think it would sustain a massive ecosystem and population.
      Blackreach shows us its possible

    • @Undomaranel
      @Undomaranel Рік тому

      Red nirnroot. It will proliferate across the surface, chiming everywhere, to the point everything eats it only to get rid of the sound. Life will be saved by the red nirnroot invasion alone.

    • @SuperLumianaire
      @SuperLumianaire Рік тому +1

      @@CountryLifestyle2023 ah, gotcha. Excellent on you for pointing out Blackreach.

  • @akhnatenpage4854
    @akhnatenpage4854 Рік тому +4

    If theres no sun, theres no reason to not establish a base in a more comfortable region.

  • @hunterbelvis
    @hunterbelvis Рік тому +5

    It's funny how I didn't think about the long term effects of Harkon's plan until I watched the senile scribbles. 😂

  • @moseslalmuanpuia8988
    @moseslalmuanpuia8988 10 місяців тому +2

    Someone stole harkon's sweetroll. That's why he wants to wipe out all life on earth

  • @RayAkuma
    @RayAkuma Рік тому +5

    Harkon Vs ten billion lions

  • @OldBaldWookiee
    @OldBaldWookiee Рік тому +18

    Wish there was a mod where the player could choose to take on harkons plans themselves and take over skyrim

  • @KamenKami
    @KamenKami Рік тому +3

    So in MegaTen terms, Harkon wants the CHAOS ending. A world ruled by strength.

    • @immasword
      @immasword Рік тому

      Not a reference i expected here but yes that seems accurate

  • @CrashOzzy1223
    @CrashOzzy1223 9 місяців тому +1

    Line from parody of Skyrim called The Senile Scribbles: “…not my fault you’re following this stupid prophesy” “I-It isn’t stupid…” “oh really, let’s see you’ll take away the sun which will kill all the plant life which will kill all the animals and then all the humans and eventually kill all the vampires?” “Wait wait, can you say all that again, but slower” … or something like that, it’s a beautiful parody love the guys parodys in general.

  • @SCSAsJorts
    @SCSAsJorts Рік тому +3

    Harkons plan was so short sighted it does more harm than good for Vampires

  • @quantumsword296
    @quantumsword296 Рік тому +3

    Meanwhile I blot out the sun just because I wanna go outside during the day

    • @HighFalutinTootin
      @HighFalutinTootin Рік тому

      Cyrodillic Vampires can move out and about in sun light if well fed

  • @antoniogiannuzzi1256
    @antoniogiannuzzi1256 9 місяців тому +1

    Once Cesar passed through a poor village with his army and said "I'd rather be the first here, then the second in Rome".

  • @adambarrow7584
    @adambarrow7584 Рік тому +2

    As Syndrome said, "if everyone is super, no one is"

  • @liamlinson7563
    @liamlinson7563 Рік тому +4

    i dont think the factions would really blame eachother, what would they gain from blocking out the sun, a source of great aetherial energy?

    • @theonlineanimal6009
      @theonlineanimal6009 11 місяців тому

      When something unexplainable happens. People naturally balme the people they don't trust. So yes. It would cause a wedge between the factions. Because they already don't trust each other. Now add the sun being taken out of the sky. And there is even less reason to trust anyone. Happens all the time in real life

    • @liamlinson7563
      @liamlinson7563 11 місяців тому

      @@theonlineanimal6009 what would the stormclocks or imperials gain from blocking out the sun? they both need the sun to grow their crops, if anything i can see them blaming the thalmor

  • @ISoloYouRelax
    @ISoloYouRelax Рік тому +3

    The mages college proves plants can grow without the sun. So i think most would be fine.

  • @TheBadGuy556
    @TheBadGuy556 11 місяців тому +1

    Do a “what if the dwarves never disappeared” next

  • @bowenc24
    @bowenc24 Рік тому +1

    Everyone moves to live underground and it turns into that game Arx Fatalis

  • @EndoScorpion
    @EndoScorpion Рік тому +8

    Eternal darkness means no life (animals, crops, human, elf, etc), which means no food (blood) for the vampires. Do they need the blood to survive? If so... even they will fall.

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 Рік тому

      Harkon's strain grow stronger without blood, they just become more visibly vampiric and less mortal (while weaknesses and strengths both become more pronounced). This wipes out both mortals and other strands of Vampirism so it's actually a clever move.

    • @xChaosFlower
      @xChaosFlower 10 місяців тому

      ​@@alpacalover0then hell have nothing left to rule assuming that is his goal. His plan is so cartoonishly short sighted

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 10 місяців тому

      @@xChaosFlowerIt certainly is, but that's the way of his whole Clan. They all seek gratification in the short term and rarely plan well. His plan is clever because it achieves his short term goals, but those goals in of themselves are not very clever, if that makes sense. He'll end up with a dead and barren world with a hunger that can never be sated.

    • @Moon222
      @Moon222 8 місяців тому

      He isnt literally blocking the sun with a planet sized physical object.
      He is using magic to remove the harmful effect of the sun on vampires.

  • @HypnoChode74
    @HypnoChode74 10 місяців тому +1

    If I remember correctly the Senile Scribbles actually made a good point as to why Harkons plans were doomed to fail anyways.

  • @hulkhogan9704
    @hulkhogan9704 Рік тому +1

    "He craves power, but power is relative to the context you wield it in" great quote!

  • @JTEFitness
    @JTEFitness Рік тому +4

    Bit off topic, but a short you guys posted a bit ago talked about the dragonborn being sent to continue the cycle rather than stop it. I believe I have found some rather obvious in-game proof of this. When talking to Paarthurnax about dragonrend, he will ask, 'Why do you want to learn this Thu'um?'. To which if you respond with 'I like this world. I don't want it to end.' He will say this in response: "Paaz. A fair answer. Ro fus… maybe you only balance the forces that work to quicken the end of this world. Even we who ride the currents of Time cannot see past Time's end… Wuldsetiid los tahrodiis. Those who try to hasten the end, may delay it. Those who work to delay the end, may bring it closer." I believe this is Paarthurnax saying that killing Alduin will do nothing but get the gears turning once again, hastening the end of the world.
    Now for a bit of a mid take from me: I think in TES6, either the Thalmor, a cult (similar to the Mythic Dawn cult) or both will be the antagonists. The Thalmor may use the next incarnation of Alduin in order to reach aetherious by 'destroying' Nirn or even wilder, the void of oblivion itself. A potential cult leader may try and use the next incarnation of Alduin and destruction of the world to become one of the new gods of the next world. Cultural gods in the event of the destruction of the world (this is if nirn, the moons, planes of daedra and oblivion itself are destroyed and remade) would cease to exist, or become a 'old' or 'forgotten' gods, influencing the world but dwindling in power due to lack of worship. Other gods based on concepts like sithis, akatosh and arkay, and the magna-ge (would be forgotten but would be worshipped as the sun) would likely survive. Of course, this means another 'save the world' plot, but I would hope TES6 would have better guilds, sidequests, world building lore, and eventually dlc making up for such a predictable plot.

  • @CountryLifestyle2023
    @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому +3

    Plus with no daylight, mo crops = next to no human population.
    Plus more vampire feeding on humans means vampires starve ? 😅😅

    • @Stalfoes
      @Stalfoes Рік тому +1

      Glad someone pointed this out. As we see in the caves and blackreach , some plantlife can survive without the sun but not enough to support a massive population.
      Odds are that as men/mer populations start to dwindle, the vampires would turn on each other to secure the remaining supply of blood.

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому

      @DEEZ GUTS Someone already mentioned that was very short sighted of Harkon
      He could have tried to pit Tamuriel into continous war, making opportunity for Vampires to thrive while going unnoticed or not having the troops to deal with them.
      Play the kingdoms like puppets.
      But I guess the main take away from him is, he's crazy, and crazy for power lol 😆 😂

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 Рік тому +1

      Nope. Harkon's strain grows stronger without blood and only needs it to imitate mortals and repress urges as the gameplay mechanics show in Skyrim. ESO and Oblivion have differing strains that work differently to demonstrate this.

    • @CountryLifestyle2023
      @CountryLifestyle2023 Рік тому

      @Alan Holland Ya just heard about that. Very interesting..sure I heard it in game but forgot

  • @xthedork1560
    @xthedork1560 Рік тому +1

    Harkon is definitely one of those villians that never actually sit and think about their plan before acting on it 😅😅

  • @no_one01-5
    @no_one01-5 11 місяців тому +1

    Harkon's plan was incredibly short sighted, even for a mortal, let alone for a vampire.

  • @thelettucebarrel7784
    @thelettucebarrel7784 Рік тому +2

    I mean if he won then eventually Miraak would succeed in coming back to Tamriel and then just one shot him.

    • @hebercluff1665
      @hebercluff1665 5 місяців тому

      Whenever i start a new playthrough, i always kill Harkon 1st, Miirak 2nd, and Alduin 3rd. It's what i think is canonically weakest to strongest, so it makes more sense to kill them in that order.

    • @thelettucebarrel7784
      @thelettucebarrel7784 5 місяців тому

      @@hebercluff1665 Miraak is stronger than Alduin but fair enough.

  • @carto4028
    @carto4028 Рік тому +1

    I'm pretty sure plants would be fine. No WAY they wouldn't think about that. My theory would be that the process would simply corrupt the sun into putting out different magical energies or removing certain traits or wavelengths that aggravated their vampire blood.
    If we are ignoring magical Influence and think purely scientific than I would remind you photosynthesis uses red light the most so I would imagine the reddish glow would still work fine. We don't know the exact wavelengths put out so it's not for certain but at worst some full sun loving plants would suffer and shade loving plants would be fine.

  • @EternalAnkh
    @EternalAnkh 3 місяці тому

    Harkon when the last mortal dies of starvation:
    "Huh. Yeah... I didn't think this through."

  • @stevensines7026
    @stevensines7026 Місяць тому

    This reminds me of a line from "The Incredibles". "...when Everyone's a Super, No One will be..."

  • @monkeydude952
    @monkeydude952 26 днів тому

    Not to mention, the entire continent declaring war on him and all vampires in an instant.

  • @Thegangsterzboyy98
    @Thegangsterzboyy98 7 місяців тому

    It's like what happened on the movie daybreakers. He'd eventually run out of food.

  • @majorhatchback
    @majorhatchback 10 місяців тому

    I always just imagined it going away after 20 minutes like when I do it

  • @youtubersdigest
    @youtubersdigest 5 місяців тому

    Don’t forget he’s more than just a vampire and only he can grant the vampire lord abilities

  • @KK-zs5xz
    @KK-zs5xz 10 місяців тому +1

    I believe that the sun is affecting vampires power wise so that they cant use their whole power. Imagine a Vampire given blood directly by molag bal with no sun rays of magnus limiting their magic. They would be mini bal's running around

  • @leaaronsanchez
    @leaaronsanchez 9 місяців тому +1

    Basically like a Roman emperor, not able to true his own generals or family.

  • @corwin4_
    @corwin4_ Рік тому +1

    I wonder what actually would happen to sun, knowing it's just a hole in Oblivion through which light and magic flows from Aetherius to Mundus

  • @paulallen5914
    @paulallen5914 Рік тому +1

    A king dreaming of being a common man

  • @kingofbel6499
    @kingofbel6499 Рік тому +1

    Huh, I remember having this discussion in a forum. Apparently, most organic life in Tamriel would die, which would be bad for vampires as well as they would have even less people and creature to feed on, so its highly possible the world would just slowly die unless the divine beings intervene.

    • @mryellow9655
      @mryellow9655 Рік тому

      No they can feed on blood magic and the world would be an extension of cold harbor

  • @TheTiger34
    @TheTiger34 8 місяців тому

    This reminds me of ugwes quote in kung fu panda 3 "the more you take the less you have."

  • @johntatman8182
    @johntatman8182 5 місяців тому

    Every time I have shot an arrow at the Sun and this happened I never even saw one vampire

  • @Leto85
    @Leto85 7 місяців тому

    This is indeed what both Serana's mother as well as Dexicon the moth priest say: 'We would all have been doomed: vampires and humans alike.'

  • @pizzagui2pizza437
    @pizzagui2pizza437 Рік тому

    The old what you gonna eat when the humans are gone conundrum

  • @alex_ho
    @alex_ho Місяць тому

    Most likely scenario, with the Dawnguard's immediate knowledge of the Volkihar clan's plans in fulfilling a prophecy to darken the skies, the Empire, Stormcloaks, Admeri Dominion, and just about any faction who is bothered by it will be tipped off about the cause and eventually a coalition of Tamriel's armies would come knocking on Harkon's doors

  • @BagelBoyMan
    @BagelBoyMan Рік тому +2

    People would know what’s going on. The Dawnguard would make sure of that.

  • @madrenwillims4391
    @madrenwillims4391 10 місяців тому

    Without the sun, all life will die, making everyone immortal forever hunger

  • @luizmarinho6138
    @luizmarinho6138 2 місяці тому

    Funny thing is, the sun is barely an inconvenience to them.

  • @ChrisKetcherside
    @ChrisKetcherside 6 місяців тому +1

    Actually as humans die out due to plants dieing, the vampires will go mad with no food

  • @barredok
    @barredok Рік тому

    They'd run out of food. The planet dies, then the vampires start killing each other

  • @crazy_acid77
    @crazy_acid77 8 місяців тому

    The embodiment of "be careful what you wish for."

  • @Excel-erate-
    @Excel-erate- Місяць тому

    Even if he did it, his whole food source would die.

  • @klasiv
    @klasiv 23 дні тому

    I think that there was a movie similar to this outcome, where everyone was vampire, and humans was just farmed cattle or hunted. Blood was a rare commodity and a dwindling one. I can imagen in a world where mortals can't even grow food for them or their livestock, mortals would be rare or die out completely, leaving vampires to eventually starve to death as well. It's rather ironic that Harkons dream will lead to the death of his kind.

  • @earendurvoneinzbern7585
    @earendurvoneinzbern7585 Рік тому

    When everyone is special, no one is special.

  • @piyushpatelsrm
    @piyushpatelsrm 10 місяців тому +1

    Deep inside Harkon wanted to die. There’s fixed the logic 😅

  • @Spartan9285
    @Spartan9285 Рік тому +1

    Not to mention if he won he’d just kill off his food source no?

  • @stevefilms1997
    @stevefilms1997 Рік тому

    Barring any interference from gods is a big stretch, cause they’re all gonna be pissed, no lag too probably if no one’s getting tortured.

  • @BattleSpew
    @BattleSpew 11 місяців тому

    After a mere century, assuming that it doesn't create an eternal winter, there would be nothing left alive to slake the vampires' thirst for blood. Death by starvation.

  • @memecat9830
    @memecat9830 11 місяців тому

    He’d find out he needs to repeatedly use the arrows

  • @lemonlefleur6236
    @lemonlefleur6236 11 місяців тому

    It’s worth mentioning that plant life might not die off in the lack of Light energies from Aetherus.
    Light is -according to the Ayleids- one of four main energies. In the absence of light, plants and animals would either die off or quickly draw on alternative energies to sustain themselves. For example, draining latent arcane energies from the soil and becoming bioluminescence as a result of converting the energy of stone into usable light energy.

  • @teyrncousland7152
    @teyrncousland7152 Рік тому

    It would end up like Kain's Parasitic Vampire Empire. From legacy of Kain.

  • @melkhiordarkfell4354
    @melkhiordarkfell4354 25 днів тому

    Or every faction puts everything on hold and the Empire wide vampire purge.

  • @vggeist644
    @vggeist644 5 місяців тому

    Harkon be like
    Step one: kill off your food source 🤔
    …this is all coming together

  • @zogkuma
    @zogkuma Рік тому +1

    If one wishes to be the most powerful, the smart choice would be to limit the power of others. Harkon would have indeed caused power to others whod likely become rivals whod threaten his power.

  • @j.troydoe1278
    @j.troydoe1278 6 місяців тому

    No food for cattle, no food for vampires.

  • @HoangTran-wu6se
    @HoangTran-wu6se 9 місяців тому

    You would be surprised how easily mortal enemy factions can unite with each other against a common enemy.

  • @tizzy6
    @tizzy6 Рік тому

    This game has aged pretty well, but it’s amazing to think how state of the art it was when it first came out and how amazing the graphics were

  • @alishahbaba4825
    @alishahbaba4825 10 місяців тому

    Harkons didn't think about the future AT ALL

  • @stinkymccheese8010
    @stinkymccheese8010 Місяць тому

    You forget they would run out of food.

  • @viatueur73
    @viatueur73 11 місяців тому

    Ebony warrior be like COME HERE I NEED TO BE STONGER

  • @MRBOOOYA
    @MRBOOOYA 7 місяців тому

    This is why in my current play through I’m playing as Lamar bal and I’m using a mod that gives Harkon the blood matron(Lamaes sword) also using dark envoy mod alongside better vampires mod

  • @charlierei9292
    @charlierei9292 Рік тому

    It wouldve made more sense if Harkon had more of a Castlevania Dracula arc, where the tyranny of the sun was just a really long suicide letter that would wipe out everything and everyone.

  • @ismatparvin334
    @ismatparvin334 Рік тому

    Exactly, he didn't think it through 😂

  • @SubliminaIMessages
    @SubliminaIMessages 7 місяців тому

    Everyone would unite and murk the vampires like what Valerica said. They’re better off the way they are now

  • @ThePetoholicGrimJack
    @ThePetoholicGrimJack Рік тому

    gosh now that would be awesome if that happened cause then either the dragonborn sides with harkon and enslaves all the living or decides to fight against the vampires

  • @Deadman_4679
    @Deadman_4679 10 місяців тому

    Boon for vampires until they no longer have a food supply as mortals die off

  • @brianmclain1955
    @brianmclain1955 11 місяців тому

    Eventually, there won't be enough food to go around and they'll all stave to death. Re-Death?

  • @frostkitsunelive7661
    @frostkitsunelive7661 10 місяців тому

    So a theory I’ve heard of and liked when it comes to “The Tyranny of the Sun” is that it’s not the actual sunlight causing this issue of weakness for vampires. It’s the Aedric energies within sunlight, since vampires are the creation of Molag Bal. It’s already been pretty well-established that Arkay has some domain over the light of the world, so he could be flooding Nirn with his power from Aetherius to weaken vampires as much as he can. While he is unable to finish many strains of vampirism, he can make them so weak that they can be finished off by mortals without effort within daylight. This is what the prophecy aims to end: by using the blood of a sacrificed Daughter of Coldharbour, they profane the light that enters Mundus from Aetherius, twisting it and rending the vampire-burning properties it possesses. Plants wouldn’t die, but the minor influences of the Aedra would all but vanish from Nirn entirely.

  • @SamiAM0001
    @SamiAM0001 11 місяців тому

    i figured that HArkon was mad, through his journey
    after becoming a vampire he started to lose his mind

  • @olalosnens1104
    @olalosnens1104 10 місяців тому

    its crazy that skyrim content still gets so much attention i like it alot but its crazy