I moved the UA-cam video to my 4k 10bit panel as I couldn't tell on my second monitor but it didn't help. UA-cam compression makes it hard to see some of the details it's a shame.
Uncompressed vide for UA-cam membership for this channel could be a good idea for fans of this channel, if the creator and community both would like better video quality
@@bobby2643 Be careful with the term "uncompressed" -- truly uncompressed video is basically impossible, it's just a matter of *how* compressed it is. This video is 3840x2160, 24 bits/pixel (3 bytes per pixel) and 60 fps. That's a total of 3840*2160*3*60 = 1423 MiB per second of video. So this video is just over 1 TiB in size (1035 GiB) uncompressed. Tim could take photos and add links to them in the description though -- that would be highly appreciated!
No visible burn in on my aw3423dw after over 2y of regular use. Even using it sometimes for long visual studio coding sessions over the years no problems despite the high contrast UI
I have my monitor on all day, every day with static content, as even if I'm gaming or watching a movie on my TV, I like to glance at my monitor to check on things. I absolutely cannot stand constant notifications on my phone disrupting what I'm doing so I leave it silenced, as most of the time they're not things I want to respond to and the alternative would be constantly unlocking my phone to check things, which is hugely disruptive too. Plus I have a disability in my hands making typing on a phone a chore.
@@cosmic_gate476 same, I game on it (some very OLED-unfriendly like RTS games with static UI), browse on it, youtube and media on it, usually about 16 hours a day (unemployed last 2 years), still no sign of burn-in. I did take some anti-burn in measures though such as a moving desktop wallpaper, dark mode wherever possible, letting the screen go to sleep after 2 minutes of inactivity (which usually starts the pixel refresh) and let pixel refresh finish, a good excuse to make a cup of tea and take short breaks. Very happy with the monitor still.
As they are explicitly stating that they give a 3-year warranty for OLED specifically to allow buyers not worry about burn-in problems, it would be interesting to see if it gets bad enough to meet whatever specific criteria they have for that warranty to apply.
@@hawk_7000 the burn in warranty for most OLED monitors does not cover commercial use and what he is doing likely counts as commercial use since he is using it for work.
I just want to post that apparently if you mention another certain website that conducts extremely large scale OLED burn-in test you get your comment auto deleted. The name starts with "r" and ends with "tings". I'm not sure if it's some sinister plot to suppress competitor or something bad with youtube, but it's very disheartening. I get that HU wants to prevent advertising, but if you can't even mention the name and tell people to check out their massively useful data from years of testing, it's kind of bad.
Rtings has sacrificed hundreds of monitors and TVs to do burn-in tests for years. Go check them out if you want actually robust and longer period (and more severely abusing) test results.
No choice in the matter, it's not like he's doing anything to "sacrifice" it, like he said it's a real life usage test. So anyone with the same monitor and same usage is going to have a similarly problematic display in the end
@@pinktuna3693 hmmm...even as someone who works from home, i take an hour for lunch. during that time, I could run a burn-in prevention cycle. realistically this could double or even triple the lifespan of the monitor. after all, the cycle only takes 7 minutes.
@@anssiaatos I suggest you watch it again. And listen to what he says. "monitor runs normal pixel refresh cycle daily during sleep". And the first point refers to not changing how he uses the monitor just because it's OLED when compared to his previous LCD.
Not sure if youtube compression, but the 3 month samples looked by far the worst to me. 6 month sample actually looked somewhat improved and almost no burn in.
Dark taskbar is actually less burned in than the right side where you've had bright background. If "burn in" looks brighter than the rest of the screen that means that the rest is more burned than this part as it was showing brighter image for longer period of time
Yes, a technically more appropriate term would be burn out, brightness degradation or similar. But it is a term that comes from crt monitors, on which, the phosphor literally got burnt in by the electron beam.
@@kosiranzeyou should not expect technical information from average UA-camr who show you mild “image retention” (the term exists already no reason to invent a new one) without realizing that UA-cam will cancel such defect. That said it should be tested also a recovery not only the damage. LCD can suffer of image retention too, even way worse than OLED, try to display for 1h a fixed image on an LCD and the switch to full gray. In some case you can still read the previous content very well. It is just a “mind” issue. As I said in another comment, if you use the display as he is using you will NEVER notice the issue since you will just use always the same images. If you use it more mixed the problem will just no appears, so still not an issue. I am using an LG C2 both for working, video and games, the only things I am doing is not use full bright (I never had used it, neither in LED display, If I want to see something bright I look at my lamps and I do not find it comfortable) and just change time to time the windows theme with different colors. After two years I have no issue at all, and with 50 euro I had add an insurance for 5y for any kind of defects so again even if after other two years I will start to see something I can change it. Then, as last point, in 99% of case if you can afford 1k+ monitor this means that you are unlikely the person who keep the monitor for more than 3/5 years in any case…
@@IcaniCorrono This is not mild "image retention", this is straight out burn out of the emissive elements. This does not go away. Daily compensation cycles only deal with TFT voltage drift and those are wholly optional, 1500 hour mark wear leveling cycles overdrive parts of the panel heuristically to try and maintain uniformity in parts that have burned out. Every second of every day that you use an OLED, it is decaying. C2 is a common anecdotal evidence star among loudmouths like you, but [RTINGS2023] and [RTINGS2024] has shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that OLED is OLED and OLED burns in, including the C2 which had burn in on 50% greys within 6 months and has a permanent CNN logo now after 18 months. Everyone who claims otherwise is a clown who brings anecdotal evidence to a statistics fight. You can call it the death of the monitor gremlins, "image retention", burn in, burn out. It's permanent damage to the panel. Like SSDs, it has a limited lifespan. And once more, ON AVERAGE (learn what this means), LCDs outlast OLEDs by a big, fat margin. I know your friend Steve's LCD died in 3 months and your dogshit WOLED is still going after years, that's called anecdotal evidence and is worth approximately jack shit.
@@IcaniCorrono though, it is UA-camrs like these that have a lot of push in how things are called. I agree with your statement, but calling this image retention is also not really explaining what is going on. Image retention usually refers to LCD not being able to completely change the state of the LC after it was in a certain position for a while, and unless it is clarified to be permanent, is assumed to be a temporary effect, though possibly lasting for hours if not days.
@@kosiranze I get what you mean but honestly I prefer to keep the scientific references instead of UA-camr definitions. And in the case of OLED It is possible to have a recovery, it is not fast but definitely possible in contrast of CRT where you literally burn the phosphorus. Still the results is an image retention, you still right about the time: in one case is permanent in the other temporary. However, in the LCD when you got image retention is because of a defective panel or an aged one. This means that you got visible retention each time you use a display for more than 30/60 min. To me this is more annoying than an issue you have to search for in particular condition after left an image stays for months. For instance I got a severe problem with first iteration of MacBook retina and an IPad, after just one year they become unusable and the replacement become unusable too after the same time. Yeah likely worst case scenario but no one have ever create such a fear as in the case of OLED. In my option this exploded because of the issue on the OLED used for lightning where you literally have a burn in with black spot, but the production process is completely different from the OLEDs in the monitor. In this case you have an image retention due to a different degree of degradation/hysteresis of the single OLEDs and TFT/driver. Which is, I repeat it, possible to recover in such mild case. In the balance the pro are way more than the cons in OLED and there are literally no better technology available rather than micro led which still not accessible and also not available in such size/resolution. Sorry for the wall of text 😅
LG CX user here. Been using my OLED for over 4 years and loving it. Used it for pc, xbox, playstation gaming, excel workspaces, word documents and UA-cam as well as looking for jobs. Haven't noticed much burn in if at all. That's after 8000 to 10000 hours. Been planning on buying a new monitor for a replacement but this tv served me really well.
I cannot thank you enough for this. Reviewers who are constantly being sent the latest model of OLED haven't stopped gushing about how wonderful they are, but they're still expensive enough that most people will be wanting to get several years of return on their investment. If your 6 month burn-in is representative of a typical 2 years of gaming/casual use - it's not just a degraded experience for the original buyer after 2 years, it also seriously harms the resale value of that OLED which is a hidden cost on top of the already very high price of OLED gaming monitors.
monitors in general have very terrible resell value due to the shipping nature of sending a monitor out if you do not have the OEM box it came with. An anecodatal example i can point out that litterally happened last week for my step brother is that he bought a Redmagic GM001S on facebook marketplace for 230$. The monitor is a FALD mini led monitor with 5088 backlight zones thats less than a year old. the listing was on the marketplace for 5 weeks. It shows how little 1. people look at the used monitor market place and 2. even if a monitor was brand new and basically specced far above things you can physically buy at amazon right now (no other monitor in the market has that zone count yet), that the resell value is remotely high.
aye, I know the comparison is far from perfect as this is a completely different use-case, but the overpriced Apple Studio Display will sell for at least 70% of it's original price. These OLED monitors? You're lucky to get 30%, if anything.
You should NEVER count on resale value when you make a purchase. If it isn't worth to you as a completely sunk cost then DON'T buy whatever it is. This will save you a lot of financial headaches in your life, and any time you DO get a resale return it's a nice bonus you can be happy about, not a disappointment because it was less than you hoped for, another mental health benefit. Anyway I'm waiting for gen3 OLED panels because affordable MicroLED is a decade away
OLED is definitely not an option for me because I've been using my current monitor for the last 11 years, and only now looking to finally get a new one which will last me as long as possible. There is clear burn in after 6 months, now imagine after 5 years, you will have to chuck it out.
@@gdc1989 I wouldn't say the Apple Studio Display is that overpriced, but its use case is very specific. It's VERY good for color accuracy, but it lacks in some other areas such as compatibility (forget about using it with a Windows machine) and ergonomics. If you do creative work that requires color grading, though, it's one of the best options.
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The lack of good mini LED monitors, especially in Europe is very annoying
@@kinggaming8372 the oled hype likely played a part in it, but I suspect it's more due to manufacturers salivating at the thought of selling an 800-1000 euro display they know will have to be replaced in 4 years, as opposed to a 300-600 euro one that will last for 10 years lol
Your monitor is actually faring better than I thought it would under those conditions. That is encouraging. I'm going on a little more than a year using my LG 42" C2 for all modes - static work, gaming, video consumption, and I don't see any signs of visible burn in yet, but I do take OLED precautions - black wallpaper, hidden taskbar, desktop icons hidden after 20 seconds, etc, so I expect my LG will last several more years before becoming an issue.
In my last monitor upgrade I was really with the idea of an OLED monitor, but my use habits is like 10 hours a day looking at webpages, you tube videos working in some code and like 2 hours of video games so I decided to go with an LG Nano IPS display instead pretty happy so far!
yeahhhhh this has put me off buying one frankly, 6 months and 1000hrs really isn't that much, even for light use you'll be hitting that in 1-2 years easily
I was about to purchase an oled for mixed usage (gaming and productive work) and then I stumbled upon some of your OLED videos. You guys saved me a fortune, I am going with the GP27Q, thank you!
Usually i don't write comments or leave like but this type of video is just must. For me it's important because i want to upgrade my monitor in next 6-12 months, still these videos is very important for everyone (because other reviewers only show how good their OLEDs are) so thank you very much
I have the 360 hz monitor for 1year Using it more than 8 hours daily Im not caring about the burn in and its all fine. Never going back to ips/tn panels
2:49 Tim has run 141 comp cycles in 6 months.. while my MSI 321UPX has run 87 comp cycles in 2.3 months, nearly half of what Tim has done. I turn off the monitor whenever I walk away from the computer, and I do have all the monitor burn in prevention features enabled too, so I'm happy to report there is 0 OLED burn in with 9-12 hours of usage per day. Tim has said that he is intentionally burning in the display, as some people are overreacting.
yeah the fact that so many people are saying they dont want these even though they play games and not static webpages is crazy. if you actually have the burn in prevention features on and turn it off when you're going away for a few minutes you'll probably be completely fine for at least a couple of years. not to mention that even at this extreme usage most people can barely even see the burn in still. and thats worse case scenario
bro you do NOT lol need to turn off your monitor when you walk away. I have the original LG 27 inch OLED with over 3500+ hours on it and no burn in. I hide my taskbar, and it goes on standby after so long if no pixel change and I have pixel shift on. It looks just as good as when I first bought it. I do literally everything I did with my LCD monitor. I dont baby it anymore either. I will easily keep whatever on the screen. Even been thinking about just saying fuck it and put my task bar on my screen. I use my desktop a lot but I also game a lot too..
@@progz5232 WOLED is a little more (likely a lot more) resillient to burn in. It's had more time to mature, develop protections, etc. The 27" specifically as well is dimmer than the QD-OLED panels. (I have WOLED 65", the 1st gen 27" LG WOLED, and the Alienware 34" and 32" QD-OLED displays.) The LG is a champion display, the only reason I dont use it is because of WOLEDs issue with near black gamma shift. So its literally just sitting on my floor not being used. I should sell it come to think of it.
@@Lylcaruis Gaming still stresses the panels. Maybe not as much in SDR but lots of HDR content and static HUDS do their own damage too. Just about every game there is have static UI elements that are always on the screen.
@@theripper121 I play like 4 different games on the daily so I mean you're right any static content can do that but as long as you aren't having the same content on your screen for 80%+ of the day you'll be fine for years probably
Been using my LG C1 for gaming for around 3-4 years now and theres no signs of burn in , my tip is use a completely black wallpaper and whenever you're afk or need a break , press Windows + D to minimize everything and let it be there , when screen is dark oled pixels arent lit because of how it works and it gives a break for pixels it will increase lifetime without you realizing it.
Appreciate the update, I've been waiting to get an OLED and I'll continue waiting a few more years until there is some good hardware improvement for the technology.
This experiment is amazing, thank you for doing it. I'd highly suggest posting some high quality still shots somewhere, since youtube compression is going haywire in the comparison footage.
I'd love to see one of these third party taskbar softwares (classical shell, start all back etc) to have an oled mode. Black back taskbar and maybe a taskbar dimmer that fades if your mouse hovers over the taskbar. Maybe even an element shifter etc.
I use an OLED and I only hide my taskbar when I don't need it. Unfortunately, I don't know much about programs like this. So are there more ways to prevent burn-in?
The burn-in curve might not be linear in relation to the brightness (and the heat that is generated because of it). 200nit is close to the panel limit of 250nit. So, lowering brightness to 100nit may not just double the lifespan, but maybe even triple.
I have monitors that are 10 years old and work perfectly fine. Given these are showing signs of degradation after just three months, even tripling the longevity still doesn't bode well.
100 nits would require you to close the curtains on an overcast day. On a sunny day, would be unusable. Expecting people to run a monitor that you can barely see just so you can slow down the damage is patently nonsense.
Great stuff, thanks. Just got a QD-OLED so very important information for me. My usage is not so extreme and I game a lot, so I think it'll last for at least 3-5 years and then it's time to update anyway.
Yeah, no oled for me, thanks. My friends have been trying to convince me, that burn in is no issue, but when i buy a monitor (last time was 2016), i tend to use it as long as it still runs; and yes i do have it all the time on and on the brightest setting and besides gaming i do a lot of internet browsing. So for me this scenario would already hit after 1-2 years of use. For a very expensive screen, wich i would like to use for about 10 years, that is inacceptable in my eyes.
This was interesting to see and would like to see future results too. I've been curious how these monitors fare these days. Very informative stuff. Thank you.
Only use my qd-oled a few hours a night and I baby it Those results are great for the lack of babying it. Not hard to have power off screen after 10 mins inactive etc.
I'm not babying anything dude... payed 1600$ for the PG32UCDM and as god is my witness that mf is gonna bring me all the joy and work its ass off for that amount of money spent on it. I have all the possible pixel protections activated and pixel cleaning every 4 hours, but as I said I ain't babying a god damned thing. It's a piece of tech made to be used, and if it lasts 4 years without much burn in then ill throw it out and buy a new one and enjoy another 4 years. Not going to be a slave to tech and guard it with my life especially nowdays whene all tech is designed to be obsolete within a couple of years and die on you anyways.
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 weird flex I guess? by babying I mean I have it turn off after 10 minute inactivity and I have wallpapers changing every 5 mins. If you want to have the thing sitting on a static image for 2 hours while you off doing other things, power to you, but I'd rather it remain 100% for the next buyer or friend/family I pass it down to.
To be honest, this isn't as much of a problem as you make it out to be. Just use a wallpaper engine for an animated background, only show the taskbar on hover, sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity, etc. Also, most companies in the tech field give you a company laptop to use for work stuff.
So what about static ui elements in games, such as border around map and skillbar etc.. will they burn in if you play for about 8hrs a day? And also if you turn off the monitor when you ain't going to use it for a long period of time instead of having a screensaver, will that affect the monitor badly?
Tim "TORTURES" monitor and "DESTROYS" it with "EXTREME" settings. What does that mean? He just used the screen like he would any other random display and didn't modify his usage to fit the monitors ideal settings. It's the main reason why I hate OLED for monitors and really love this test. Not having to change how you use a screen to keep it from looking bad in a couple years really should be the baseline. I understand why he stresses this isn't the recommended usage pattern but I really don't want to change how I use my computer so the screen I buy for better picture quality doesn't have a worse picture. I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd. I don't want to change my habits for a piece of tech and I use monitors for more than 3 years.
> I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd. To each their own. Id rather get 3-4 years of gaming and media out of an OLED display that looks absolutely fantastic, than be using a dislpay that looks bad from day one and can only get worse from there.
Exactly. It's like a devils bargain. Look at this amazing screen you can have, now be careful or I'll take it away! (but you can always buy my new one then)
I use a a LG's 27" WOLED since the beginning of last year and it tells me I have 2812 hours on it with a mix of maybe 75% work 25% gaming. It never had perfect gray but it also barely changed. I have the macOS status bar visible all the time and even that is barely visible at night with 1% gray. Even with the test pattern I'm not totally sure I'm not imagining it. You can see some unevenness when dragging a dark window like Discord around but even new WOLED panels have that unevenness so that hasn't changed noticeably. If I leave a white window open for a long time, it starts to shift to blue. It seems to be the TFT though, as it immediately disappears when I move something else over it for a second. I completely lost my fear of burn in. Maybe I'm naive but enjoy it every day.
Yeah if you don't treat it completely badly and don't expect it to last 10 years than it's fine. But understandably people are still skeptical so I hope it keeps improving and that burn in warranties get even better
That's my daily driver, I work on a different PC but outside of that I use it for 5-12 hours a day, both gaming and browsing. 100% brightness with HDR on. 0 issues
WOLED is less susceptible than QD-OLED, that's why LG OLEDs tend to do better against burn-in in various tests. I would suggest anyone who is worried about burn-in to buy WOLED. You're not going to notice big difference in color volume, especially if you calibrate your monitor correctly. I have an LG C2, been using it for 2 years in heavy productivity (10-12hr a day on time with about 40-50% spent on text editors with static UI elements) and some light gaming and there's no noticeable uniformity change at all. You will never use close to max LED brightness because it will literally burn your eyes out before it burns pixels in, so the whole thing with how the monitor degrades under max brightness is nothing but a technical curiosity and will not reflect any real world usage.
@@AutieTortie TFT = Thin Film Transistors. Those transistors control the voltage to each OLED pixel and can get statically charged. The short refresh cycle (that runs every 4 hours) is designed to remove that static charge. But you are right, TFT sounds like an old LCD, those used TFTs as well. ;) I could have just said transistors. I wanted to make clear that it is no damage to the actual organic material in the screen, just some static charges.
There's a mistake in there. The short compensation cycle (one you do every 4 hours) doesn't help with anything when it comes to burn in. It's there to clear up TFT image retention, not prevent burn in. Only the long compensation cycle helps against burn in.
As of right now, OLEDs should only be used for content consumption. It is insane to me that it has become okay to sell monitors that degrade within 3 or 6 months. I love the technology, but even after more than a decade, it still feels more like a proof of concept rather than a finalized technology. I would be ok if degradation started to happen within 4-5 years, but 3 months is completely insane. A product should work for you, not the other way around.
Sure they degrade, but if it still looks better than the issues LCDs have with uniformity right out of the box, is it really that big an issue after all?
@@alexatkin Of course, not an issue if you're a millionaire, celebrity or something and you don't give a crap about the environment. Just let the world burn and drown in e-waste...
Yeah, I noticed my burn-in at about 10months. I probably won't bother with OLED as a monitor again. Maybe for a TV if they offer better, and more affordable, large size OLEDs down the road.
I have an LG CX 65inch OLED used as a Win11 PC gaming/streaming media setup since 2020 July and used every day, it's definitely got burn-in but still very usable
Thank you for doing these, honestly burn in the only thing preventing me from getting an OLED and I think I'll wait for at least 2 years until we get more data
Jesus christ if you have the money just get it and enjoy it man... It's not the damned end of the world even if you do get a tiny bit of burn in in like 3 or 4 years of usage. Enjoy life and relax a bit, slaving away to babying tech you own is just not worth it in the long run.
After watching your reviews last year, I got the OLED G8 last year on at a really good sale price in June 2023. I love the monitor and wanted to thank you for suggesting it if I got it at a good price!
Interesting update. Been using my LG C2 42" for 1.5 years and zero burn in. Daily use is web consumption from emails, web browsing, and full screen UA-cam videos. Weekends is gaming. Add in MS Office apps for work and school. I do split screen 1/2 or 2/3. Sometimes 1/3. I do use dark mode and hide my taskbar, plus screen saver set to 5 minutes. Still holding out on getting a 32" 240hz oled monitor for now.
My 3423DW from December 2022 has slight burn in. Mixed use : youtube, gaming, browsing, etc.. Around 5000-6000 hours. Contacted Dell today. hope a get a new one
4yrs for a product is unacceptable IMO, my 2nd monitor next to me is the very first G-Sync monitor released back in 2014 (ROG Swift) and is still going strong. it sometimes has strobing problems if my primary monitor has a refresh rate mismatch but other than that it functions exactly as intended. Versus my CX died after less than 3k hours use...
Vertical line may as well be not related to 2 windows use case, it is basically how OLEDs are manufactured, even brand new oled after a day of heavy use can have somewhat visible middle line
Great update. Despite the dangers you’re also enjoying that contrast and response rate … it’s tempting even knowing the monitor will be mostly junk in 5 years.
@kurgo_ it's basically how much time your screen is on, My previous phone was a S8 that I used for about 4 years, I had burn in. The current one is an A52, burn in at the notification bar now
@@kurgo_every iphone I've used since they've gone oled has had the notification area burnt in. Really depends on how much you use it and how bright you keep it. Also it's not really noticeable unless you're in landscape Fullscreen mode.
@kurgo_ my s7 that I used till last year also never had any burn in, i loves that phone and the screen but I left it on for a whole night and a static image and it immediately burned in lol, but at that point I wasn't using it anymore
@@kurgo_ i work from home so i use my phone a lot i average 10 hours everyday i also watch youtube in portrait mode, if i watch in landscape it will definitely lessen the burn in since theres no icons when in landscape
4129 hours on an LG 27GR95QE-B here, virtually the same usage case, my results are practically the same as yours. Just a thin bar down the center of the screen only visible against dark grey backgrounds. Honestly can't help but feel the burn-in problem has been overstated somewhat. Yes it definitely exists and will happen but for me it's a non-issue.
Thanks for the update. I've always been moving the window separation on mine, just slightly to not burn same area. Hiding taskbar is a given. Put to sleep after 3-5 minutes as opposed to never. I think your results are actually encouraging, and we don't forget about the burn in warranty.
Yeah only that much burn in with that much usage in non optimal situations. If he used dark mode and the boundary dimming (which may have been less noticable in dark mode) as well as hiding the task bar and letting the monitor go to sleep faster then it probably would have lasted much better. I wish someone else, or himself, was doing a similar test and doing all the recommended OLED care things.
What do you mean moving windows separation? I'm getting a qd oled and I'm wondering what I need to do thank you, also can I play WoW with the HUD thats in a fixed area?
Thank you for the update. I'm more an more sure, that my next monitor will be a 4k 32" mini-led IPS display and not an OLED, if one comes out that does good HDR Gamin and Productivity.
Just imagine if this was at 300 nits instead of 200... Really hoping QNED (not LG's trademark, but actual QNED) comes out soon from Samsung Display, only reason I have not jumped on an OLED display.
I've been using an LG Oled TV since 2022 as a content creation monitor and I don't have any burn in. But I take steps to mitigate. I have a screen saver, autohide task bar. use windows dark mode and I run pixel cleaning at least 3 times a month. if I am stuck on the same app for many hours I will minimize and do something else for a little bit or place that app in a quadrant and add some other apps in other quadrants just to mix things up a bit. No issues so far.
same here, LG OLED C1, no burn in. as of right now I have 6285 hours and no burn in. taskbar in autohide too, dark mode always and sometimes I use this monitor for more than 10 hours a day.
Nice to see a test based on real world use. I'd love to get an OLED, but as someone who uses my monitor for office work 20 hours a week and spends another 10-15 hours of web browsing, its time to look at another LED for my move to 4k or ultra wide.
Just get a high end IPS panel. The colours are 90-95% as good as QDOLED and backlight bleed is nowhere near as big of an issue as people make it out to be.
Incredible. So if you have to use your monitor for some work or project for 3 months you can get burn in. This was invaluable for me to see, as I wanted to buy an oled and was especially interrested in this one. I really, really don't want to introduce the constant task of preventing burn in and the extra worry. Have eneugh of that already in my life.
I have been using the Samsung 49" Odyssey OLED for about 11 months now and i can confirm zero burn in. I am using the automatic hide task bar. and i move my windows around every so often.
You keep mentioning gaming. Most games have static UI elements, which will just as easily cause burn-in. Just like watching TV where you will see the channel icon eventually. Its the old "plasma screen" story all over again. Even watching dvds or streaming with no icon, if you are running subtitles with the ghosted bar, it will also eventually burn-in. Buying OLED "now" is accepting that some burn-in will happen regardless of usage, some faster and more obvious that others.
@@michalko93 Don't need to be 10 hours a day buddy. He is running the screen at only 200 nits full brightness. Imagine if he was gaming with HDR on and the HUD elements were hitting well above 200 nits. I have 2 oled monitors but I haven't convinced myself like so many have here that Oled burn in isn't something people should take into consideration. It absolutely is. Pretending it is not a problem doesn't make said problem simply go away. Oleds are still prone to burn in. And they simply will not and don't last longer than a similar or much much cheaper LED based lcd panel. Some are willing to pay the premium for the better image quality, which is fine, but to ignore the longevity issue of oled is ignorant at best.
This is galaxies worse than plasma in that regard, and why he mentioned mixing up the work won't help at all on OLED. Mixing up the work load like that on plasma will 'clean' the screen as he put it and could easily get rid of anything visible unless you somehow managed to get real burn-in. On the later plasmas gens that would require being on in an airport with a static logo displayed at max brightness for a year straight.
I got the Alienware AW3423dwf for $699 last week, and purchased an extended warranty for 5 years from Dell's website and they said it covers burn-in so I'm gonna use this monitor the way I want to for that period of time.
OLED is just another anti-repair and planned obsolescence propaganda. These companies are pushing OLED so people will surely buy new monitors every 3 years.
Not my experience whatsoever. Used Dell machines are ALWAYS on the used market in huge quantities. That’s what happens with equipment that has been used by businesses. A very tiny fraction of the stuff for sale is actually “broken”.
This is honestly reassuring. I no longer work from home every day, so my monitor wont get the kind of use it would have 6 months ago (12+ hours a day). Knowing I'd take care of my monitor and not give it the extremes even if that were still the case, I'm definitely feeling confident in my eventual purchase. Especially because there'll likely be another gen or two of panel tech before im able to buy one. Should only get better by the time I make the purchase.
Thank you for the this. I was searching a monitor upgrade, and OLED was in top of the list. But as a IT worker, more of the time i was on home officing and using the monitor for daily office work, this definitivaly put end to this search . I think for gaming only its better buy a oled tv .
If you run it at max brightness yes, but max brightness is eye searing, don't do it, you will get YEARS >5 out of a modern oled monitor easily if you're not a complete fiend.
ASUS ROG Swift 32” 4K Mini LED Gaming Monitor (PG32UQXR) -UHD (3840 x 2160), 160Hz, 1ms, Fast IPS, Local dimming, FreeSync Premium Pro, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 2.1 with DSC, Quantum Dot, DisplayHDR1000 this is better for productivity.
@@aberkae Thanks for the recommandation. I am looking to upgrade to 4K+32inches and it is getting difficult to find content interested in non-OLED stuff. I game a lot but also spend a lot of time working on my PC, with a text-editor type of application.
It's incredible how much of a difference the brightness settings make. My OLED monitor is at over 3000 hours now and still no visible signs of burn in. Granted I don't do scientific tests like you do, I just occasionally look at color patterns, but still. My OLED runs at ~60% brightness and does go into screen saver after 10 minutes. I mostly do software development on it in vscode, or watch yt videos. Very occasionally some gaming.
my MSI 360hz OLED is now about 3 months old, I use all OLED care functions and hide my taskbar when I don't need it. I also use a black background image to prevent burn-in. So far I haven't noticed any burn-in, I hope it stays that way for a few more years
Its great to see how much further along oled screen technology has progressed when compared to plasma panels. As long as you are kind to your oled panel, then it should last a nice long time with no issues you can notice (even when using it for productivity!).
Fixed reticle was replaced with expanding one in all FPS games decades ago. Maybe, if you are playing some game from early 2000s you will get permanent reticle in the center.
OLED is great for movies and games but never should be advertised as a 24/7 PC monitor. This technology is great but only for corporations because this technology has built-in intentional aging of the product which is forbidden in the EU. Could you please try to review monitors like ViewSonic VX2700-4K-Pro or AOC AGON AG275UXM? We need good mini-leds monitors with dimming zones.
Don't worry too much about burn-in. I got my LG 27GR95QE-B since release and it has over 6000+ hrs of use time. 80% of the time for productivity and 20% for gaming. Zero burn-in.
I think Tim needs to make it clear that by "gaming" he means console gaming, not PC gaming, as the Windows Start / Taskbar (along with taskbars from every other GUI based OS) exists.. I'm typing this from my home office" PC's monitor. Its dual connected to my Legion Go on its dock and my work laptop. This is a 14 year old HannsG HH-281 28 inch LCD monitor which still looks pristine with no marks on the screen other than a small bluish mark made by myself when the display fell over a few years ago on to a coffee mug). It still works fine for gaming, but most importantly of all its a "real" PC monitor with a 1920 x 1200p (16:10) resolution, not that modern day TV 1080p (16:9) stuff!! PCMR jokes aside though, it has no taskbar area burn in, though I do have to say that the HDMI ports no longer work, so I'm using a powered VGA to HMDI input convertor to connect it to the HMDI switch. The brightness and colours still impress me, (I've run this monitor at 50% brightness and 75% contrast (with X-Contrast Off) for its entire life. I have black out curtains here in my little office and the blacks are pretty black and colour contrast is very good. I'm not sure what sort of screen or cd / nits value it has though. Would be interesting to find it. I wish more manufactures would push Mini-Led PC specific monitors in the larger 28 to 43 inch range. I agree with Tim in never recommending OLEDs for PC usage, however that would include PC gaming as well. Imagine if Radeon or Nvidia sold one a GPU and stated it would that develop (burn-in) a line down the middle of the screen after a few months, that would never go away. One would say its was defective, not "that's acceptable for use!"
Maybe someday Microsoft will give us a proper OLED mode for the UI where it automatically detects and dims (dynamically changes the opacity/etc.) the static elements so the refresh frequency doesn't need to as be as high.
With how many OLED monitors are coming out it should become more common for companies to build OLED friendly modes into their programs. I am thinking about getting an OLED monitor so I decided to try out hiding the taskbar in windows and I don't think I could go back, it just looks so much cleaner and gives you an albeit small increase to usable screen size. Features that would be good for OLEDs are good for a lot of people. A big one that has no options for just now is program taskbars, particularly ones like chrome, although hopefully with dark mode they aren't much of an issue but a similar hiding taskbar mode for them would be great.
OLED are definitely not for office work, being a rather stingy person when it comes to money, I want to keep my monitor for about 7 years at least, before even considering a replacement. So I'm going for an LCD with local dimming zones and HDR 600 certification. But I have to say that there's one correct choice with in this, it's going for 4K because 163 ppi is the way to go for productivity. Yea, it might be a bit of a pain to spring for a graphics card that can game at 4K but at least then you have a real multifunctional system. This is a great video series, showing real the life use, great work guys!
there is one more important problem with burn in - it can't be reasonably fixed and no one's going to buy a burned in monitor. So in 3-4 years OLED turns into e-waste. It literaly expires
And LCD material can get completely fixed: its backlight if some LED fails, the TFT, if some transistors stop; the liquid crystals themselves (these are the harder to get broken, only if they suffer a significant violently punch) and the others layers (polarizers, color filter, etc) can easily be changed.
@@TheNiteNinja19 What? I was using a high end CRT for about 10 years and it was still close to perfect. I ended selling it for 50 bucks. If I had kept it for another 10 years. assuming it still worked, I could have sold it for over 500. It was a large Trinitron that could do high resolutions and high refresh rates which are gold dust on the used market now. I still have a 50 inch plasma that's over 10 years old and still works perfectly as well. Maybe the colors have degraded a bit but it's still fine.
youtube compression making it hard to see these images clearly
I moved the UA-cam video to my 4k 10bit panel as I couldn't tell on my second monitor but it didn't help. UA-cam compression makes it hard to see some of the details it's a shame.
Uncompressed vide for UA-cam membership for this channel could be a good idea for fans of this channel, if the creator and community both would like better video quality
I don't know if that option exists I just was sharing my idea
i have VA panel and i can see these images clearly.
@@bobby2643 Be careful with the term "uncompressed" -- truly uncompressed video is basically impossible, it's just a matter of *how* compressed it is.
This video is 3840x2160, 24 bits/pixel (3 bytes per pixel) and 60 fps. That's a total of 3840*2160*3*60 = 1423 MiB per second of video. So this video is just over 1 TiB in size (1035 GiB) uncompressed.
Tim could take photos and add links to them in the description though -- that would be highly appreciated!
"let's say you do 15 hours of web browsing per week"
me spending my entire life in front of my monitor: haha
Yeah sometimes people criticize a test like this for supposedly being unrealistic but some people do even more than this
No visible burn in on my aw3423dw after over 2y of regular use. Even using it sometimes for long visual studio coding sessions over the years no problems despite the high contrast UI
Me having over 300 hours a month😂 school/game/tv shows
I have my monitor on all day, every day with static content, as even if I'm gaming or watching a movie on my TV, I like to glance at my monitor to check on things.
I absolutely cannot stand constant notifications on my phone disrupting what I'm doing so I leave it silenced, as most of the time they're not things I want to respond to and the alternative would be constantly unlocking my phone to check things, which is hugely disruptive too. Plus I have a disability in my hands making typing on a phone a chore.
@@cosmic_gate476 same, I game on it (some very OLED-unfriendly like RTS games with static UI), browse on it, youtube and media on it, usually about 16 hours a day (unemployed last 2 years), still no sign of burn-in.
I did take some anti-burn in measures though such as a moving desktop wallpaper, dark mode wherever possible, letting the screen go to sleep after 2 minutes of inactivity (which usually starts the pixel refresh) and let pixel refresh finish, a good excuse to make a cup of tea and take short breaks.
Very happy with the monitor still.
End this series with trying to claim the warranty!
As they are explicitly stating that they give a 3-year warranty for OLED specifically to allow buyers not worry about burn-in problems, it would be interesting to see if it gets bad enough to meet whatever specific criteria they have for that warranty to apply.
@@hawk_7000 the burn in warranty for most OLED monitors does not cover commercial use and what he is doing likely counts as commercial use since he is using it for work.
How're they gonna prove that? They can't. @@conorstewart2214
@@conorstewart2214if they can prove it.
@@hawk_7000 Sadly not in all countries, in my country MSI/Samsung/Asus say they don't cover burn in.
Please continue this series.
Despite YT compression messing with your showcase, your input on the matter is really useful.
The burn-in enhancement filter does show the issue quite well though.
@@MLWJ1993 if you have to use a filter to see it well then whats the point
@@Lylcaruis I'm just going to assume you're totally ignorant of what aggressive compression does to video footage... 🫣
@@MLWJ1993 yeah but that doesnt change the fact that the burn in is still unnoticeable when watching videos or playing games
@Lylcaruis the vertical line in the middle is definitely very noticeable in person.
The taskbar burn-in is a lot less egregious.
Extremely useful project!
I just want to post that apparently if you mention another certain website that conducts extremely large scale OLED burn-in test you get your comment auto deleted. The name starts with "r" and ends with "tings". I'm not sure if it's some sinister plot to suppress competitor or something bad with youtube, but it's very disheartening. I get that HU wants to prevent advertising, but if you can't even mention the name and tell people to check out their massively useful data from years of testing, it's kind of bad.
@@zxbc1 rtings? They are doing massive job as well. Whole different scale. I’m sure this post will stay😀
@@zxbc1 R Tings is an excellent source
@@zxbc1 If you posted it as an URL - youtube always auto deletes that unfortunately. Even if its a youtube URL
Absolutely useless project, nothing new with what is already known (you can easily search on the web).
Thanks for sacrificing your monitor to inform us on the proper care and lifetime expectations for ours! Looking forward to the 1 year update.
Rtings has sacrificed hundreds of monitors and TVs to do burn-in tests for years. Go check them out if you want actually robust and longer period (and more severely abusing) test results.
I mean he has so many he has to have giveaways lol. But yeah still a cool test to see.
No choice in the matter, it's not like he's doing anything to "sacrifice" it, like he said it's a real life usage test. So anyone with the same monitor and same usage is going to have a similarly problematic display in the end
@@pinktuna3693 hmmm...even as someone who works from home, i take an hour for lunch. during that time, I could run a burn-in prevention cycle. realistically this could double or even triple the lifespan of the monitor. after all, the cycle only takes 7 minutes.
@@anssiaatos I suggest you watch it again. And listen to what he says. "monitor runs normal pixel refresh cycle daily during sleep". And the first point refers to not changing how he uses the monitor just because it's OLED when compared to his previous LCD.
This kind of content is just golden!
Thank you for this. As someone who only uses this monitor for gaming about 15-20 hours per week, I’m feeling pretty confident
Not sure if youtube compression, but the 3 month samples looked by far the worst to me. 6 month sample actually looked somewhat improved and almost no burn in.
Dark taskbar is actually less burned in than the right side where you've had bright background. If "burn in" looks brighter than the rest of the screen that means that the rest is more burned than this part as it was showing brighter image for longer period of time
Yes, a technically more appropriate term would be burn out, brightness degradation or similar.
But it is a term that comes from crt monitors, on which, the phosphor literally got burnt in by the electron beam.
@@kosiranzeyou should not expect technical information from average UA-camr who show you mild “image retention” (the term exists already no reason to invent a new one) without realizing that UA-cam will cancel such defect.
That said it should be tested also a recovery not only the damage. LCD can suffer of image retention too, even way worse than OLED, try to display for 1h a fixed image on an LCD and the switch to full gray. In some case you can still read the previous content very well. It is just a “mind” issue.
As I said in another comment, if you use the display as he is using you will NEVER notice the issue since you will just use always the same images. If you use it more mixed the problem will just no appears, so still not an issue. I am using an LG C2 both for working, video and games, the only things I am doing is not use full bright (I never had used it, neither in LED display, If I want to see something bright I look at my lamps and I do not find it comfortable) and just change time to time the windows theme with different colors. After two years I have no issue at all, and with 50 euro I had add an insurance for 5y for any kind of defects so again even if after other two years I will start to see something I can change it.
Then, as last point, in 99% of case if you can afford 1k+ monitor this means that you are unlikely the person who keep the monitor for more than 3/5 years in any case…
@@IcaniCorrono This is not mild "image retention", this is straight out burn out of the emissive elements. This does not go away. Daily compensation cycles only deal with TFT voltage drift and those are wholly optional, 1500 hour mark wear leveling cycles overdrive parts of the panel heuristically to try and maintain uniformity in parts that have burned out. Every second of every day that you use an OLED, it is decaying.
C2 is a common anecdotal evidence star among loudmouths like you, but [RTINGS2023] and [RTINGS2024] has shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that OLED is OLED and OLED burns in, including the C2 which had burn in on 50% greys within 6 months and has a permanent CNN logo now after 18 months. Everyone who claims otherwise is a clown who brings anecdotal evidence to a statistics fight. You can call it the death of the monitor gremlins, "image retention", burn in, burn out. It's permanent damage to the panel. Like SSDs, it has a limited lifespan.
And once more, ON AVERAGE (learn what this means), LCDs outlast OLEDs by a big, fat margin. I know your friend Steve's LCD died in 3 months and your dogshit WOLED is still going after years, that's called anecdotal evidence and is worth approximately jack shit.
@@IcaniCorrono though, it is UA-camrs like these that have a lot of push in how things are called.
I agree with your statement, but calling this image retention is also not really explaining what is going on. Image retention usually refers to LCD not being able to completely change the state of the LC after it was in a certain position for a while, and unless it is clarified to be permanent, is assumed to be a temporary effect, though possibly lasting for hours if not days.
@@kosiranze I get what you mean but honestly I prefer to keep the scientific references instead of UA-camr definitions. And in the case of OLED It is possible to have a recovery, it is not fast but definitely possible in contrast of CRT where you literally burn the phosphorus. Still the results is an image retention, you still right about the time: in one case is permanent in the other temporary. However, in the LCD when you got image retention is because of a defective panel or an aged one. This means that you got visible retention each time you use a display for more than 30/60 min. To me this is more annoying than an issue you have to search for in particular condition after left an image stays for months. For instance I got a severe problem with first iteration of MacBook retina and an IPad, after just one year they become unusable and the replacement become unusable too after the same time. Yeah likely worst case scenario but no one have ever create such a fear as in the case of OLED. In my option this exploded because of the issue on the OLED used for lightning where you literally have a burn in with black spot, but the production process is completely different from the OLEDs in the monitor. In this case you have an image retention due to a different degree of degradation/hysteresis of the single OLEDs and TFT/driver. Which is, I repeat it, possible to recover in such mild case.
In the balance the pro are way more than the cons in OLED and there are literally no better technology available rather than micro led which still not accessible and also not available in such size/resolution.
Sorry for the wall of text 😅
LG CX user here. Been using my OLED for over 4 years and loving it. Used it for pc, xbox, playstation gaming, excel workspaces, word documents and UA-cam as well as looking for jobs. Haven't noticed much burn in if at all. That's after 8000 to 10000 hours. Been planning on buying a new monitor for a replacement but this tv served me really well.
I cannot thank you enough for this. Reviewers who are constantly being sent the latest model of OLED haven't stopped gushing about how wonderful they are, but they're still expensive enough that most people will be wanting to get several years of return on their investment. If your 6 month burn-in is representative of a typical 2 years of gaming/casual use - it's not just a degraded experience for the original buyer after 2 years, it also seriously harms the resale value of that OLED which is a hidden cost on top of the already very high price of OLED gaming monitors.
monitors in general have very terrible resell value due to the shipping nature of sending a monitor out if you do not have the OEM box it came with. An anecodatal example i can point out that litterally happened last week for my step brother is that he bought a Redmagic GM001S on facebook marketplace for 230$. The monitor is a FALD mini led monitor with 5088 backlight zones thats less than a year old. the listing was on the marketplace for 5 weeks. It shows how little 1. people look at the used monitor market place and 2. even if a monitor was brand new and basically specced far above things you can physically buy at amazon right now (no other monitor in the market has that zone count yet), that the resell value is remotely high.
aye, I know the comparison is far from perfect as this is a completely different use-case, but the overpriced Apple Studio Display will sell for at least 70% of it's original price. These OLED monitors? You're lucky to get 30%, if anything.
You should NEVER count on resale value when you make a purchase. If it isn't worth to you as a completely sunk cost then DON'T buy whatever it is. This will save you a lot of financial headaches in your life, and any time you DO get a resale return it's a nice bonus you can be happy about, not a disappointment because it was less than you hoped for, another mental health benefit. Anyway I'm waiting for gen3 OLED panels because affordable MicroLED is a decade away
OLED is definitely not an option for me because I've been using my current monitor for the last 11 years, and only now looking to finally get a new one which will last me as long as possible. There is clear burn in after 6 months, now imagine after 5 years, you will have to chuck it out.
@@gdc1989 I wouldn't say the Apple Studio Display is that overpriced, but its use case is very specific. It's VERY good for color accuracy, but it lacks in some other areas such as compatibility (forget about using it with a Windows machine) and ergonomics. If you do creative work that requires color grading, though, it's one of the best options.
The lack of good mini LED monitors, especially in Europe is very annoying
For real I have been waiting for a Decent mini led display with either 576/1152 Zones, which just works
You can blame the oled fanboys for that.....
@@kinggaming8372that statement is so annoying cause it's true
@itsmilan4069 I hate to be that guy but I think monitors unboxed and other tech channels may have played a hand in it.
@@kinggaming8372 the oled hype likely played a part in it, but I suspect it's more due to manufacturers salivating at the thought of selling an 800-1000 euro display they know will have to be replaced in 4 years, as opposed to a 300-600 euro one that will last for 10 years lol
"when viewing reds , *greens* and blues"
my monitor: thats yellow mate..
🤣😂
Your monitor is actually faring better than I thought it would under those conditions. That is encouraging. I'm going on a little more than a year using my LG 42" C2 for all modes - static work, gaming, video consumption, and I don't see any signs of visible burn in yet, but I do take OLED precautions - black wallpaper, hidden taskbar, desktop icons hidden after 20 seconds, etc, so I expect my LG will last several more years before becoming an issue.
how do you hide desktop icons after 20 seconds?
@@mark_delight I have used LG C8 for six years now. You will be fine!
@@vsynccx4263There is a software made for that
@@vsynccx4263Fences is a good app
20 seccond program ?
You should upload the images to compare somewhere.
If anything I can only see compression artifacts.
well thank god they write for TechSpot
I hope you did choose at least 4k. because there youtube is the least compressed
@@leoSaundersThank God they linked to it in the description. Not...
@De-M-oN Yup. But still full of artifacts.
@@leoSaunders TechSpot article title: "The OLED Burn-In Test: Six Month Update", subtitle: "Deliberately Burning-In Our QD-OLED Monitor", by: "Tim Schiesser", at: "August 27, 2024".
In my last monitor upgrade I was really with the idea of an OLED monitor, but my use habits is like 10 hours a day looking at webpages, you tube videos working in some code and like 2 hours of video games so I decided to go with an LG Nano IPS display instead pretty happy so far!
yeahhhhh this has put me off buying one frankly, 6 months and 1000hrs really isn't that much, even for light use you'll be hitting that in 1-2 years easily
That's what the warranty is for
Yeah, you could maybe use it as some kind of secondary screen for productivity, but probably not really as your main screen.
Yeah bro lets change monitor every 6 months lol @@Rspsand07
@@Rspsand07Well no, the warranty should only cover defects. This is just how the technology works so warranty won't necessarily cover it.
@@bleack8701 All major oleds have burn in warranty
I really appreciate this experiment and hope it will continue.
I was about to purchase an oled for mixed usage (gaming and productive work) and then I stumbled upon some of your OLED videos. You guys saved me a fortune, I am going with the GP27Q, thank you!
Usually i don't write comments or leave like but this type of video is just must.
For me it's important because i want to upgrade my monitor in next 6-12 months, still these videos is very important for everyone (because other reviewers only show how good their OLEDs are) so thank you very much
I have the 360 hz monitor for 1year
Using it more than 8 hours daily
Im not caring about the burn in and its all fine.
Never going back to ips/tn panels
THANK YOU !!! for your effort and extremely professional objective journalism.
You sir, deserve good things coming your way
2:49 Tim has run 141 comp cycles in 6 months.. while my MSI 321UPX has run 87 comp cycles in 2.3 months, nearly half of what Tim has done. I turn off the monitor whenever I walk away from the computer, and I do have all the monitor burn in prevention features enabled too, so I'm happy to report there is 0 OLED burn in with 9-12 hours of usage per day. Tim has said that he is intentionally burning in the display, as some people are overreacting.
yeah the fact that so many people are saying they dont want these even though they play games and not static webpages is crazy. if you actually have the burn in prevention features on and turn it off when you're going away for a few minutes you'll probably be completely fine for at least a couple of years. not to mention that even at this extreme usage most people can barely even see the burn in still. and thats worse case scenario
bro you do NOT lol need to turn off your monitor when you walk away. I have the original LG 27 inch OLED with over 3500+ hours on it and no burn in. I hide my taskbar, and it goes on standby after so long if no pixel change and I have pixel shift on. It looks just as good as when I first bought it. I do literally everything I did with my LCD monitor. I dont baby it anymore either. I will easily keep whatever on the screen. Even been thinking about just saying fuck it and put my task bar on my screen. I use my desktop a lot but I also game a lot too..
@@progz5232 WOLED is a little more (likely a lot more) resillient to burn in. It's had more time to mature, develop protections, etc. The 27" specifically as well is dimmer than the QD-OLED panels. (I have WOLED 65", the 1st gen 27" LG WOLED, and the Alienware 34" and 32" QD-OLED displays.)
The LG is a champion display, the only reason I dont use it is because of WOLEDs issue with near black gamma shift. So its literally just sitting on my floor not being used. I should sell it come to think of it.
@@Lylcaruis Gaming still stresses the panels. Maybe not as much in SDR but lots of HDR content and static HUDS do their own damage too. Just about every game there is have static UI elements that are always on the screen.
@@theripper121 I play like 4 different games on the daily so
I mean you're right any static content can do that but as long as you aren't having the same content on your screen for 80%+ of the day you'll be fine for years probably
Been using my LG C1 for gaming for around 3-4 years now and theres no signs of burn in , my tip is use a completely black wallpaper and whenever you're afk or need a break , press Windows + D to minimize everything and let it be there , when screen is dark oled pixels arent lit because of how it works and it gives a break for pixels it will increase lifetime without you realizing it.
Had burnin on my LG 65" Monitor after 3 years out of warranty,LG replaced screen for free excellent customer service
Good to know..I have Lg c2 and if anything happens i will be calling them :D
thats a tv not a monitor my guy
@@De2t3ny You have no clue it is a fine monitor but I am using my Sony Bravia 9 as my monitor now
@@gerardfraser thats also a tv and not a monitor lol
@@De2t3ny it is 100% a monitor for me,you will never convince me otherwiser
Really good serie! It is very informative and based on real longterm experimentation. It's good to know what we could be buying while adopting OLED
Appreciate the update, I've been waiting to get an OLED and I'll continue waiting a few more years until there is some good hardware improvement for the technology.
for 15 years, the major improvements have always been just around the corner. Just a few more decades I guess.
Just get a WOLED from LG instead of QD-OLED and u're fine.
You’ll be waiting forever.
@@kintustisindeed, any day now😂😂😂
@amruzaky4939 It will come though. This year is the year of desktop Linux. Year of the burn free OLED will come too.
This experiment is amazing, thank you for doing it. I'd highly suggest posting some high quality still shots somewhere, since youtube compression is going haywire in the comparison footage.
I'd love to see one of these third party taskbar softwares (classical shell, start all back etc) to have an oled mode. Black back taskbar and maybe a taskbar dimmer that fades if your mouse hovers over the taskbar. Maybe even an element shifter etc.
I use an OLED and I only hide my taskbar when I don't need it. Unfortunately, I don't know much about programs like this. So are there more ways to prevent burn-in?
I really like how when you tell windows to hide task bar it still shows the tip that's a really useful feature thanx Microsoft for damaging.y display.
@@mryellow6918 So for me the taskbar is completely hidden. For example, I downloaded a program that hides the mouse cursor for 5-10 ms
@@mryellow6918 some third-party ones hide it entirely if configured right. try start11
@@mryellow6918
Never had that issue at all, across like 10 different machines. Been hiding taskbar for like 15 years now.
Great Update! I look forward to the 9 month update!
The burn-in curve might not be linear in relation to the brightness (and the heat that is generated because of it). 200nit is close to the panel limit of 250nit. So, lowering brightness to 100nit may not just double the lifespan, but maybe even triple.
I have monitors that are 10 years old and work perfectly fine.
Given these are showing signs of degradation after just three months, even tripling the longevity still doesn't bode well.
100 nits would require you to close the curtains on an overcast day.
On a sunny day, would be unusable.
Expecting people to run a monitor that you can barely see just so you can slow down the damage is patently nonsense.
Yeah, 200 nits is way too much for normal desktop usage unless it's a very bright room.
@@Cuthalu 180nits is a sweet spot for me with an MiniLED monitor for SDR web browsing.
100nits is crazy dark.
Great stuff, thanks. Just got a QD-OLED so very important information for me. My usage is not so extreme and I game a lot, so I think it'll last for at least 3-5 years and then it's time to update anyway.
i wonder about the resell value by then, i am not expecting much......
Yeah, no oled for me, thanks. My friends have been trying to convince me, that burn in is no issue, but when i buy a monitor (last time was 2016), i tend to use it as long as it still runs; and yes i do have it all the time on and on the brightest setting and besides gaming i do a lot of internet browsing. So for me this scenario would already hit after 1-2 years of use. For a very expensive screen, wich i would like to use for about 10 years, that is inacceptable in my eyes.
This was interesting to see and would like to see future results too. I've been curious how these monitors fare these days. Very informative stuff. Thank you.
Only use my qd-oled a few hours a night and I baby it
Those results are great for the lack of babying it. Not hard to have power off screen after 10 mins inactive etc.
I'm not babying anything dude... payed 1600$ for the PG32UCDM and as god is my witness that mf is gonna bring me all the joy and work its ass off for that amount of money spent on it. I have all the possible pixel protections activated and pixel cleaning every 4 hours, but as I said I ain't babying a god damned thing. It's a piece of tech made to be used, and if it lasts 4 years without much burn in then ill throw it out and buy a new one and enjoy another 4 years. Not going to be a slave to tech and guard it with my life especially nowdays whene all tech is designed to be obsolete within a couple of years and die on you anyways.
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 weird flex I guess? by babying I mean I have it turn off after 10 minute inactivity and I have wallpapers changing every 5 mins.
If you want to have the thing sitting on a static image for 2 hours while you off doing other things, power to you, but I'd rather it remain 100% for the next buyer or friend/family I pass it down to.
@@walker2006au Well said, gentleman.
They really aren’t
To be honest, this isn't as much of a problem as you make it out to be. Just use a wallpaper engine for an animated background, only show the taskbar on hover, sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity, etc. Also, most companies in the tech field give you a company laptop to use for work stuff.
good work. keep burning!
So what about static ui elements in games, such as border around map and skillbar etc.. will they burn in if you play for about 8hrs a day?
And also if you turn off the monitor when you ain't going to use it for a long period of time instead of having a screensaver, will that affect the monitor badly?
Appreciate these updates!
Tim "TORTURES" monitor and "DESTROYS" it with "EXTREME" settings. What does that mean? He just used the screen like he would any other random display and didn't modify his usage to fit the monitors ideal settings.
It's the main reason why I hate OLED for monitors and really love this test. Not having to change how you use a screen to keep it from looking bad in a couple years really should be the baseline. I understand why he stresses this isn't the recommended usage pattern but I really don't want to change how I use my computer so the screen I buy for better picture quality doesn't have a worse picture. I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd.
I don't want to change my habits for a piece of tech and I use monitors for more than 3 years.
> I also find the idea that people are okay with the screen looking bad in a few years a little absurd.
To each their own. Id rather get 3-4 years of gaming and media out of an OLED display that looks absolutely fantastic, than be using a dislpay that looks bad from day one and can only get worse from there.
Exactly. It's like a devils bargain. Look at this amazing screen you can have, now be careful or I'll take it away! (but you can always buy my new one then)
Monitors Unboxed doing the God work 👏
I use a a LG's 27" WOLED since the beginning of last year and it tells me I have 2812 hours on it with a mix of maybe 75% work 25% gaming.
It never had perfect gray but it also barely changed. I have the macOS status bar visible all the time and even that is barely visible at night with 1% gray. Even with the test pattern I'm not totally sure I'm not imagining it.
You can see some unevenness when dragging a dark window like Discord around but even new WOLED panels have that unevenness so that hasn't changed noticeably.
If I leave a white window open for a long time, it starts to shift to blue. It seems to be the TFT though, as it immediately disappears when I move something else over it for a second.
I completely lost my fear of burn in. Maybe I'm naive but enjoy it every day.
Yeah if you don't treat it completely badly and don't expect it to last 10 years than it's fine. But understandably people are still skeptical so I hope it keeps improving and that burn in warranties get even better
That's my daily driver, I work on a different PC but outside of that I use it for 5-12 hours a day, both gaming and browsing. 100% brightness with HDR on.
0 issues
WOLED is less susceptible than QD-OLED, that's why LG OLEDs tend to do better against burn-in in various tests. I would suggest anyone who is worried about burn-in to buy WOLED. You're not going to notice big difference in color volume, especially if you calibrate your monitor correctly. I have an LG C2, been using it for 2 years in heavy productivity (10-12hr a day on time with about 40-50% spent on text editors with static UI elements) and some light gaming and there's no noticeable uniformity change at all. You will never use close to max LED brightness because it will literally burn your eyes out before it burns pixels in, so the whole thing with how the monitor degrades under max brightness is nothing but a technical curiosity and will not reflect any real world usage.
What do you mean "it seems to be the TFT"?! Is it an OLED or a TFT LCD screen?
@@AutieTortie TFT = Thin Film Transistors. Those transistors control the voltage to each OLED pixel and can get statically charged. The short refresh cycle (that runs every 4 hours) is designed to remove that static charge.
But you are right, TFT sounds like an old LCD, those used TFTs as well. ;)
I could have just said transistors. I wanted to make clear that it is no damage to the actual organic material in the screen, just some static charges.
There's a mistake in there. The short compensation cycle (one you do every 4 hours) doesn't help with anything when it comes to burn in. It's there to clear up TFT image retention, not prevent burn in.
Only the long compensation cycle helps against burn in.
As of right now, OLEDs should only be used for content consumption. It is insane to me that it has become okay to sell monitors that degrade within 3 or 6 months. I love the technology, but even after more than a decade, it still feels more like a proof of concept rather than a finalized technology. I would be ok if degradation started to happen within 4-5 years, but 3 months is completely insane. A product should work for you, not the other way around.
Sure they degrade, but if it still looks better than the issues LCDs have with uniformity right out of the box, is it really that big an issue after all?
@@alexatkin Of course, not an issue if you're a millionaire, celebrity or something and you don't give a crap about the environment. Just let the world burn and drown in e-waste...
@@alexatkinYes, yes it is. E-waste and throwing 1k away per monitor is perfectly acceptable according to you.
Yeah, I noticed my burn-in at about 10months. I probably won't bother with OLED as a monitor again. Maybe for a TV if they offer better, and more affordable, large size OLEDs down the road.
LCD backlights give out as well and the dirty screen effect is much worse that is if you didn't have bad uniformity straight out of the box.
I have an LG CX 65inch OLED used as a Win11 PC gaming/streaming media setup since 2020 July and used every day, it's definitely got burn-in but still very usable
Thank you for doing these, honestly burn in the only thing preventing me from getting an OLED and I think I'll wait for at least 2 years until we get more data
Jesus christ if you have the money just get it and enjoy it man... It's not the damned end of the world even if you do get a tiny bit of burn in in like 3 or 4 years of usage. Enjoy life and relax a bit, slaving away to babying tech you own is just not worth it in the long run.
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457not everyone has £600+ to splash on a new monitor every year
CONSOOOM
There'll be two new generations of OLED panels by then so it'll all be irrelevant unless you're buying a used monitor
@@lessdatesmoreonmyplates1457 The problem is that if you also work on it, you will get it in a year...
After watching your reviews last year, I got the OLED G8 last year on at a really good sale price in June 2023. I love the monitor and wanted to thank you for suggesting it if I got it at a good price!
Given the circumstance, will MSI honor the 3yr panel warranty? That's something to look forward. @MonitorUnboxed will you submit your monitor for RMA?
Danke!
Interesting update. Been using my LG C2 42" for 1.5 years and zero burn in. Daily use is web consumption from emails, web browsing, and full screen UA-cam videos. Weekends is gaming. Add in MS Office apps for work and school. I do split screen 1/2 or 2/3. Sometimes 1/3. I do use dark mode and hide my taskbar, plus screen saver set to 5 minutes. Still holding out on getting a 32" 240hz oled monitor for now.
WOLED won't have the same burn-in characteristics as QD-OLED, so they're not comparable.
Better buy good crt monitor
My 3423DW from December 2022 has slight burn in.
Mixed use : youtube, gaming, browsing, etc..
Around 5000-6000 hours.
Contacted Dell today. hope a get a new one
how did your warranty process go so far? I wonder if they differentiate between degrees of burn in
did you get refurbished panel with another bugs as other people write
4yrs for a product is unacceptable IMO, my 2nd monitor next to me is the very first G-Sync monitor released back in 2014 (ROG Swift) and is still going strong. it sometimes has strobing problems if my primary monitor has a refresh rate mismatch but other than that it functions exactly as intended.
Versus my CX died after less than 3k hours use...
Cool to see. Definitely more to do improving the tech. But yeah really still a go-to for getting a great monitor.
Seems like a good compromise is a dual monitor setup. IPS for desktop programs and work, OLED for games and videos.
Great idea! 😎
And you switch one off? I need both monitors 😂
Vertical line may as well be not related to 2 windows use case, it is basically how OLEDs are manufactured, even brand new oled after a day of heavy use can have somewhat visible middle line
so glad you are doing this!!!❤
Great update. Despite the dangers you’re also enjoying that contrast and response rate … it’s tempting even knowing the monitor will be mostly junk in 5 years.
My samsung phone after 5 years has a burn in now, the top part which include icons. The battery alarm clock signal bars and % sign are now permanent
I wonder how that works. I still have a s7 edge (changed it only this year) and it has basically no burn-in that I can see
@kurgo_ it's basically how much time your screen is on, My previous phone was a S8 that I used for about 4 years, I had burn in.
The current one is an A52, burn in at the notification bar now
@@kurgo_every iphone I've used since they've gone oled has had the notification area burnt in. Really depends on how much you use it and how bright you keep it. Also it's not really noticeable unless you're in landscape Fullscreen mode.
@kurgo_ my s7 that I used till last year also never had any burn in, i loves that phone and the screen but I left it on for a whole night and a static image and it immediately burned in lol, but at that point I wasn't using it anymore
@@kurgo_ i work from home so i use my phone a lot i average 10 hours everyday i also watch youtube in portrait mode, if i watch in landscape it will definitely lessen the burn in since theres no icons when in landscape
4129 hours on an LG 27GR95QE-B here, virtually the same usage case, my results are practically the same as yours. Just a thin bar down the center of the screen only visible against dark grey backgrounds. Honestly can't help but feel the burn-in problem has been overstated somewhat. Yes it definitely exists and will happen but for me it's a non-issue.
Thanks for the update.
I've always been moving the window separation on mine, just slightly to not burn same area.
Hiding taskbar is a given.
Put to sleep after 3-5 minutes as opposed to never.
I think your results are actually encouraging, and we don't forget about the burn in warranty.
Yeah only that much burn in with that much usage in non optimal situations. If he used dark mode and the boundary dimming (which may have been less noticable in dark mode) as well as hiding the task bar and letting the monitor go to sleep faster then it probably would have lasted much better. I wish someone else, or himself, was doing a similar test and doing all the recommended OLED care things.
What do you mean moving windows separation? I'm getting a qd oled and I'm wondering what I need to do thank you, also can I play WoW with the HUD thats in a fixed area?
Thank you so much for doing this research! Trying to switch to one 32" monitor, but have been worried about burn for productivity.
Thank you for the update. I'm more an more sure, that my next monitor will be a 4k 32" mini-led IPS display and not an OLED, if one comes out that does good HDR Gamin and Productivity.
Thank you for your service!
Just imagine if this was at 300 nits instead of 200... Really hoping QNED (not LG's trademark, but actual QNED) comes out soon from Samsung Display, only reason I have not jumped on an OLED display.
This display doesn't reach 300 nits. 250 is the max on this, just as it is on all QD-OLEDs.
@@selohcin Interesting, than for the information, I did not know that.
Thank you for doing this experiment. An OLED is absolutely not appropriate for my use case and this convinced me to not even try.
I've been using an LG Oled TV since 2022 as a content creation monitor and I don't have any burn in. But I take steps to mitigate. I have a screen saver, autohide task bar. use windows dark mode and I run pixel cleaning at least 3 times a month. if I am stuck on the same app for many hours I will minimize and do something else for a little bit or place that app in a quadrant and add some other apps in other quadrants just to mix things up a bit. No issues so far.
same here, LG OLED C1, no burn in. as of right now I have 6285 hours and no burn in. taskbar in autohide too, dark mode always and sometimes I use this monitor for more than 10 hours a day.
Nice to see a test based on real world use.
I'd love to get an OLED, but as someone who uses my monitor for office work 20 hours a week and spends another 10-15 hours of web browsing, its time to look at another LED for my move to 4k or ultra wide.
Just get a high end IPS panel. The colours are 90-95% as good as QDOLED and backlight bleed is nowhere near as big of an issue as people make it out to be.
I just bought an Alienware aw3225qf for my daily use too.
I use my monitor almost 18hrs a day, mostly for work.
I'll check mine after a month :)
You need more sleep :(
@@joechapman8208 yeah, but lately I feel better sleeping around 6hrs a day. 8hrs makes me feel sleepy all day.
Man , fix your sleep, at 22yrs you are going to have problems
@@joechapman8208 ２２ that was 13yrs ago XD
18 hours a day? You are working too much.
My monitor is not good enough for this video, in several examples the 6 months looked better than 3 months
UA-cam compression is not helping either with those comparisons.
It could also be the UA-cam compression.
that and UA-cam compression, even at 4k it's hard to see lol
I have an oled, same issue.
Incredible. So if you have to use your monitor for some work or project for 3 months you can get burn in. This was invaluable for me to see, as I wanted to buy an oled and was especially interrested in this one. I really, really don't want to introduce the constant task of preventing burn in and the extra worry. Have eneugh of that already in my life.
I have been using the Samsung 49" Odyssey OLED for about 11 months now and i can confirm zero burn in. I am using the automatic hide task bar. and i move my windows around every so often.
Same I have my G9 Oled since September last year, zero burn in atm, only use it for gaming, movies/series and a tiny bit of web browsing.
How many hours a week?
Not to mutch, about 30 hours a week of use.
I have after 2 months
Been waiting for this video
Tim not even standing...
Awesome Black Ops 3 sweater!
You keep mentioning gaming. Most games have static UI elements, which will just as easily cause burn-in. Just like watching TV where you will see the channel icon eventually. Its the old "plasma screen" story all over again. Even watching dvds or streaming with no icon, if you are running subtitles with the ghosted bar, it will also eventually burn-in.
Buying OLED "now" is accepting that some burn-in will happen regardless of usage, some faster and more obvious that others.
Are you playing same game 10hr/day? If yes then burnin OLED is a least problem you have
@@michalko93 Don't need to be 10 hours a day buddy. He is running the screen at only 200 nits full brightness. Imagine if he was gaming with HDR on and the HUD elements were hitting well above 200 nits. I have 2 oled monitors but I haven't convinced myself like so many have here that Oled burn in isn't something people should take into consideration. It absolutely is. Pretending it is not a problem doesn't make said problem simply go away. Oleds are still prone to burn in. And they simply will not and don't last longer than a similar or much much cheaper LED based lcd panel. Some are willing to pay the premium for the better image quality, which is fine, but to ignore the longevity issue of oled is ignorant at best.
This is galaxies worse than plasma in that regard, and why he mentioned mixing up the work won't help at all on OLED. Mixing up the work load like that on plasma will 'clean' the screen as he put it and could easily get rid of anything visible unless you somehow managed to get real burn-in. On the later plasmas gens that would require being on in an airport with a static logo displayed at max brightness for a year straight.
Thanx for doing this Tim, I am very curious about this subject ...
I got the Alienware AW3423dwf for $699 last week, and purchased an extended warranty for 5 years from Dell's website and they said it covers burn-in so I'm gonna use this monitor the way I want to for that period of time.
The used market is flooded with burnt in XPS OLED machines now
OLED is just another anti-repair and planned obsolescence propaganda. These companies are pushing OLED so people will surely buy new monitors every 3 years.
What you talking about?
@@Conradlovesjoy i think hes talking about the dell xps oled laptops
Not my experience whatsoever. Used Dell machines are ALWAYS on the used market in huge quantities.
That’s what happens with equipment that has been used by businesses. A very tiny fraction of the stuff for sale is actually “broken”.
@@LeftJoystick I doubt businesses use OLEDs anyway
This is honestly reassuring. I no longer work from home every day, so my monitor wont get the kind of use it would have 6 months ago (12+ hours a day). Knowing I'd take care of my monitor and not give it the extremes even if that were still the case, I'm definitely feeling confident in my eventual purchase. Especially because there'll likely be another gen or two of panel tech before im able to buy one. Should only get better by the time I make the purchase.
Hey Tim, my OLED is running since December last year. So my update acc. to burn in will go online in December this year.
Thank you for the this. I was searching a monitor upgrade, and OLED was in top of the list. But as a IT worker, more of the time i was on home officing and using the monitor for daily office work, this definitivaly put end to this search . I think for gaming only its better buy a oled tv .
Watching this video on my oled iPad; looks amazing!
I would really love to switch to an oled but as software developer I could kill this display in 6 months or even faster.
If you run it at max brightness yes, but max brightness is eye searing, don't do it, you will get YEARS >5 out of a modern oled monitor easily if you're not a complete fiend.
ASUS ROG Swift 32” 4K Mini LED Gaming Monitor (PG32UQXR) -UHD (3840 x 2160), 160Hz, 1ms, Fast IPS, Local dimming, FreeSync Premium Pro, HDMI 2.1, DisplayPort 2.1 with DSC, Quantum Dot, DisplayHDR1000
this is better for productivity.
@@Razermantis7649 "complete fiend" You mean a normal person using their monitor like they always do? You shouldn't have to babysit your monitor.
@@Razermantis7649 What is eye searing max brightness in terms of nits?. I game in a dark room and have my monitor set to 300-350 nits.
@@aberkae Thanks for the recommandation.
I am looking to upgrade to 4K+32inches and it is getting difficult to find content interested in non-OLED stuff. I game a lot but also spend a lot of time working on my PC, with a text-editor type of application.
Thanks for the update!
It's incredible how much of a difference the brightness settings make. My OLED monitor is at over 3000 hours now and still no visible signs of burn in. Granted I don't do scientific tests like you do, I just occasionally look at color patterns, but still. My OLED runs at ~60% brightness and does go into screen saver after 10 minutes. I mostly do software development on it in vscode, or watch yt videos. Very occasionally some gaming.
Is it also Samsung oled? Some other tests show less burn in on LG panels. I want oled for software development and gaming as well
my MSI 360hz OLED is now about 3 months old, I use all OLED care functions and hide my taskbar when I don't need it. I also use a black background image to prevent burn-in. So far I haven't noticed any burn-in, I hope it stays that way for a few more years
@@skoltr It's LG
Its great to see how much further along oled screen technology has progressed when compared to plasma panels. As long as you are kind to your oled panel, then it should last a nice long time with no issues you can notice (even when using it for productivity!).
For the fps gamers prepare to have a reticle in your desktop wallpaper 😂
Tarkov ftw
@@eetoonamamanakooothats like saying peeling your skin off is good because you wont need lotion anymore
Fixed reticle was replaced with expanding one in all FPS games decades ago. Maybe, if you are playing some game from early 2000s you will get permanent reticle in the center.
@@Boris-Vasilievmost people at higher skill levels in cs and valorant play static crosshairs
@@StarmenRock insurgency then?
Please continue this series to 1 year. Thank you =)
OLED is great for movies and games but never should be advertised as a 24/7 PC monitor.
This technology is great but only for corporations because this technology has built-in intentional aging of the product which is forbidden in the EU.
Could you please try to review monitors like ViewSonic VX2700-4K-Pro or AOC AGON AG275UXM? We need good mini-leds monitors with dimming zones.
After the monitor has significant burn in maybe try to RMA it under the 3 year burn in warranty? Just to see if MSI honors their warranty well.
When PG27AQDP review
Thank you for testing long term OLED usage.
Don't worry too much about burn-in. I got my LG 27GR95QE-B since release and it has over 6000+ hrs of use time. 80% of the time for productivity and 20% for gaming. Zero burn-in.
I have it too, 600hrs 😂 since release
@@elm4tador876 😂🤣
i have too. 10 years. no burn in😂
Come for the research, stay for the outtro jingle.
I think Tim needs to make it clear that by "gaming" he means console gaming, not PC gaming, as the Windows Start / Taskbar (along with taskbars from every other GUI based OS) exists.. I'm typing this from my home office" PC's monitor. Its dual connected to my Legion Go on its dock and my work laptop. This is a 14 year old HannsG HH-281 28 inch LCD monitor which still looks pristine with no marks on the screen other than a small bluish mark made by myself when the display fell over a few years ago on to a coffee mug). It still works fine for gaming, but most importantly of all its a "real" PC monitor with a 1920 x 1200p (16:10) resolution, not that modern day TV 1080p (16:9) stuff!!
PCMR jokes aside though, it has no taskbar area burn in, though I do have to say that the HDMI ports no longer work, so I'm using a powered VGA to HMDI input convertor to connect it to the HMDI switch. The brightness and colours still impress me, (I've run this monitor at 50% brightness and 75% contrast (with X-Contrast Off) for its entire life. I have black out curtains here in my little office and the blacks are pretty black and colour contrast is very good. I'm not sure what sort of screen or cd / nits value it has though. Would be interesting to find it.
I wish more manufactures would push Mini-Led PC specific monitors in the larger 28 to 43 inch range. I agree with Tim in never recommending OLEDs for PC usage, however that would include PC gaming as well.
Imagine if Radeon or Nvidia sold one a GPU and stated it would that develop (burn-in) a line down the middle of the screen after a few months, that would never go away. One would say its was defective, not "that's acceptable for use!"
……no, this is a PC Gaming-based channel/group of channels. Maybe back off the Adderall consumption dude.
@@LeftJoystick Ehh? Care to explain what you just went off about? Ha
Id love to see comparisons of different levels of monitor protection measures tbh
Maybe someday Microsoft will give us a proper OLED mode for the UI where it automatically detects and dims (dynamically changes the opacity/etc.) the static elements so the refresh frequency doesn't need to as be as high.
With how many OLED monitors are coming out it should become more common for companies to build OLED friendly modes into their programs. I am thinking about getting an OLED monitor so I decided to try out hiding the taskbar in windows and I don't think I could go back, it just looks so much cleaner and gives you an albeit small increase to usable screen size. Features that would be good for OLEDs are good for a lot of people. A big one that has no options for just now is program taskbars, particularly ones like chrome, although hopefully with dark mode they aren't much of an issue but a similar hiding taskbar mode for them would be great.
OLED are definitely not for office work, being a rather stingy person when it comes to money, I want to keep my monitor for about 7 years at least, before even considering a replacement. So I'm going for an LCD with local dimming zones and HDR 600 certification. But I have to say that there's one correct choice with in this, it's going for 4K because 163 ppi is the way to go for productivity. Yea, it might be a bit of a pain to spring for a graphics card that can game at 4K but at least then you have a real multifunctional system. This is a great video series, showing real the life use, great work guys!
Samsung Oddeysey Neo G7 or G8 are good choices.
there is one more important problem with burn in - it can't be reasonably fixed and no one's going to buy a burned in monitor. So in 3-4 years OLED turns into e-waste. It literaly expires
And LCD material can get completely fixed: its backlight if some LED fails, the TFT, if some transistors stop; the liquid crystals themselves (these are the harder to get broken, only if they suffer a significant violently punch) and the others layers (polarizers, color filter, etc) can easily be changed.
So did CRTs and Plasmas unfortunately.
Burn in is not an issue unless you have a static screen running 24/7. Normal people do not do that.
@@TheNiteNinja19 What? I was using a high end CRT for about 10 years and it was still close to perfect. I ended selling it for 50 bucks. If I had kept it for another 10 years. assuming it still worked, I could have sold it for over 500. It was a large Trinitron that could do high resolutions and high refresh rates which are gold dust on the used market now. I still have a 50 inch plasma that's over 10 years old and still works perfectly as well. Maybe the colors have degraded a bit but it's still fine.
@@TheNiteNinja19CRTs lasted a LONG time