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DeWalt Drywall sander REVIEW - 20v MAX - DCE800 --- Unboxing, Using, First Impressions.
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2023
- An unboxing of the tool only and then a bit of running it on the jobsite and final thoughts!! I ran this with a deWalt 6ah battery and after 3 times around the room over 3 nights, I still had two bars. I hooked this up to a 16gal wet/dry ShopVac with the high filtration bag. I did not get any dust out of the exhaust port of the vac!
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Had to cut 2' away from the wall to repair termite damage and needed room to work. Trying to match the patching sheetrock with the popcorn ceiling however a transition still shows. I need to do this in other areas of the house so this tool and redoing the popcorn over the entire ceiling is the plan.
Howdy Christopher! Thanks for commenting! Sounds like a project to make some money on! I know a couple drywallers who are super with matching texture but I am not one of them so I would have the same issue of seeing a transition. Best of luck with the rest of the work and with any drywall sander that helps get the job done faster than hand sanding!
Yea, it has a bit of a learning curve. Honestly I haven't gotten much use out of it. Last time I tried using it, it left scratches in my ceiling. I have both the soft and hard pad btw. I didn't have any issues with dust though, maybe because I used the Dewalt Hepa vac? Don't know, but if I can't find a groove with it soon I'll likely sell it.
best of luck with the tool and if it doesn't work out, with selling it. I know I have better luck with it when "I am in practice" during those stretches when I can use the sander more. That....and when I am in better fitness to lift and hold it flat and in contact with the ceiling. When I have noodle arms.....oh....the dust!
I have to say, I like the range of motion the head has... Ceilings are tough with those things, especially with the maiden voyage. I figured out pretty quickly to start and stop with it pressed to the surface, but still nothing is perfect. Also, you're not kidding when you're talking about how heavy they get after a while. I'm short, too. I know the pain of having to reach so far... good video by the way.
Hi Clovis! Thanks for checking out the video and for the comments and observations!
I never thought to start/stop while on the surface. I always started and stopped off the ceiling. Next job I will give that a shot. Very happy to have it though it does get heavy. I need more upper body and fewer donuts.
I have this tool and have been using it a ton to sand my skim coats over a popcorn ceiling. The tool has such an amazing build quality and the power is obviously top notch, However... the way they designed the "dust extraction" on this sander blows my mind. If you have this hooked up to a vac, your face should not look like his did, especially at this price point. He breathed in so much more dust than he should have, and that crap will escape to many parts of the customer's house. It is not very difficult to design a pad that allows for proper dust extraction. I feel like any decently trained baboon can come up with a sufficient design for dust extraction on a sander. DeWalt, for whatever reason, did not do this. If you stick a 9" disk on this tool (even one with the holes for dust extraction), there is a tiny area between the outside of the disc and the bristles for dust to be sucked into your vac. This area is so small though that so much dust will escape, even if you are flat to the ceiling. And if you use anything lower than a 220 grit, my god you will make a mess. Such a shame these goofballs at DeWalt did this. The two things they should have done are A) make the outer diamter of the power head about 1/4" wider so that the disc diamter is smaller than the inner diameter of the bristles B) popped some holes in the pad as well as the abrasive disc that the pad is mounted to. Those are both solid surfaces... there is literally nowhere for the dust to be pulled in to. No idea what they were thinking. It doesn't matter how powerful your vac is. There is almost no room for dust to be pulled into the sander. At the end of the day, if you want to greatly improve the dust extraction for this, trim about a 1/4" off the perimeter of your sanding disc using a utility knife. This will give you sifnificantlyspace for the dust to be collected with your vac. I am also considering drilling holes into the pad along with the abrasive disc to align with the holes on a lot of hook and loop discs... I will report back if I decide to go through with that.
Also, if anyone comments saying that there is a hard pad option that allows for more dust control (p/n DWE7802 I believe), my response would be first off, the tool should have come with both pads to begin with, and second, the abrasive disc that the pad is mounted to is still completely solid... unless that is replaced, there is still no more room for dust to be pulled in by the vac.
Thanks for the detailed comments! For my first run with this tool in the video, the dust you are seeing is mostly me getting used to the tool and not keeping it in flat contact with the ceiling. I am not sponsored by DeWalt so I can be honest and say that it is mostly me in this video making dust. I have more practice now and see little dust. I hook it up to a 16gal shopvac with a high filtration bag and this combination seems to do a good job. I do drywall enough to justify the tool but do not claim to be a master drywaller. So the tool is what it is. I like it and am happy to have it. Dust collection design could be improved to be sure! Tool itself is a great sander. Again, thanks for the level of detail. You have a lot of insight and assume you have a lot of professional experience!
agreed
@@sdsconstruction Thanks for the compliment my man haha. I am not a professional, but I do hope to be one some day. I will say, I ended up drilling 8 holes in a couple pieces as I mentioned before. The things collects dust so much better. Definitely worth it
Good info. Thx 👍
Thanks for commenting 2xJohn! Glad to have this tool on the occasions for drywall sanding. It is not an everyday use tool but I am happy to have the option of not hand-sanding everything.
Nice review Steve! I'm with ya completely on the hose fitting sizes 🤣 I ordered a replacement hose, from the manufacturer of my vacuum, and still no luck...they changed the damn sizes from i.d. to o.d., or something of the sort 🤣🤣
I feel that pain.....no matter what adapter and no matter what brand or hose, nothing I have ever found seems to be standardized and nothing really seems to fit well (if at all)! Thanks for the comment and commiseration.
I think the Festool unit has enough suction power that the head sticks to the ceiling. That would save a lot of muscle le holding it up there. It's a lot more money but no dust and easy on the shoulders and back.
Hi Messenger - Thanks for commenting and sharing your experience! I have never had the chance to use any Festool product yet much less their sander system. I can say that I find this option great for me for a couple reasons. 1) cordless and it uses the dewalt batteries I already have. 2) since I own the tool, I can use it as often as I want and not incur rental costs that I have always done in the past, either end of job one-day rentals or weekly rentals for larger projects.
Most cordless tools are heavier than their corded cousins so I anticipated the weight. Since I am not full time drywall contractor, I know that my noodle-arms are not in shape for ceilings no matter when I sand them or how I sand them so there again, I know it is not going to be a drywall sanding picnic. Once I get my mind right, I just go until I am done (like most other contractors with less than desirable tasks.).
Great to know about the Festool possibly using suction to the ceiling as a weight-assist! I am surprised that the suction to do that does not inhibit the movement of the wand and head across the ceiling as you sand. Nice to know that their engineering team might have found the balance allowing for both! My only other experience is with corded Porter Cable systems at my local tool rental facility.
Useful review thanks
Thanks for commenting! I have always benefited from YT reviews of tools and practices and so I am happy that I have one of my own reviews out there that helps out.
That was a ton of dust for a sander. I've been running my porter cable system for almost 20 years and still going strong and hardly any dust except forninside corners. One of the few corded tools I have left.
Howdy P! Thanks for checking out the video and the comments. Very cool on the long running PC system. When I rent, it is almost always a PC system from our local Sunbelt Rentals. I am not sponsored by anyone nor do I have any affiliates so I have the luxury of being honest during my videos. What I can say about this cordless sander is that once I got used to it and my noodle-arms became a little more al-dente, I was able to stop the dust puffs by keeping the sander head flat to the surface. What you see is, in my current experience running this tool for the first time (several times) on this ceiling job that I bought the tool for, is completely user error. The better I got at running the tool, the less dust puffs I would see and those I did, I can trace back to noodle-arm spence and sander fatigue.
The shopvac with the filtration bag did an awesome job of pulling in the dust and the tool did a great job of capturing the dust within the head and vac-ports. As far as I can tell with this job completed and several sandings later, (having the luxury of owning the tool and could sand between every coat), I am confident with the dust control of this tool if run correctly. What I should do is make one final rental on the next job and compare the corded rental to this tool and see how that goes.
Again, thanks for the comment!
@@sdsconstruction after watching this I watched a few others and have noticed that this units head doesn't flex as well as some others. So as you say trying to keep the head flat was more of a chore than it probably should be. I've been looking into the makita sander as I'm primarily on their platform but do have a few Dewalt items. With no other option but to have a hose to the vacuum I'm not sure a cordless setup is worth it for me. But to have the aws makita sander with the vacuum is nice. Decisions...Decisions...
@@payakadventures You got that right....decisions .. decisions! I chose it because I am on the DeWalt platform so I have effectively locked myself in to their line of 20V and 60V tools. This allows me to keep a single type of charger that will charge all my batteries. In my business, I attempt to do almost all the work so other than masonry foundations or block/contrete work, I generally try and keep it all in house. That being said, I do my own drywall when it comes up. I have always rented a sander at the end on larger jobs to make the smooth happen but used this recent job as the opportunity to buy my own and figured corded? Cordless? -- I went cordless. (decisions!) Not being full time drywall, I imagine this tool should work out well. I do not have enough recent experience to know about head flexibility so I will rely on your expertise on that. Maybe this tool will loosen up a little over time and be a bit easier to keep in flat surface contact.
I appreciate the conversation! Thanks
Excellent video !!
Thank you very much Carlos! I appreciate the comment! I have now used it a few times and am happy with it for the amount of drywall I do and that it works with my existing vacuums. One less cord is a win.
thanks mate
always a pleasure! Hopefully it was helpful. Thanks for commenting!!
Do you feel like it doesn’t have much suction at the sander head? I even have the extractor (quote powerful) and it still has hardly any suction.
Thanks for commenting! I don't seem to have a problem with the suction as long as I keep the head flat against the surface. I had a good experience with the few jobs I used it with and seemed to have very little dust. I am also using "dust control" mud so that might be a factor. Now that you mention suction, I think I will take some time to clean out the head just in case to keep the suction at whatever maximum is.
By the way, I am using a switch controlled 16gal Shopvac with a high filter bag inside the canister. Nothing special. I have a larger, more powerful Shopvac but I like the portability of the smaller unit so far.
Thanks for video.
Howdy Dogman! Thanks for checking out the video and the comment. It is really convenient to have a drywall sander and not have to pay the rental fees. This way it will become a more used tool instead of just the last day or two of a drywall job for next to last or for final sands. Tool works great (I had watched a number of other review videos before purchase) and once the User gets better......
Mirka leros..........best ever....
Thanks for commenting. This sander is really convenient to have!
5:32 what user error?
Thanks for checking out the video! User error is when I allowed the head to lose flat contact with the wall or ceiling surface and created the puffs of dust. If I keep it flat and in contact, the vac can pull 90% or more of the dust away before it has a chance to coat the room.
Hi Steve
Howdy
no offense but i see a lot of dust coming out ....
Howdy Seb - thanks for checking out the video and commenting. No offense taken! I should have said in the video....the dust you are seeing is due to user error, in that, I did not keep the head flat and in full contact with the surface which allowed for dust to escape. The tool is by no means a 100% dust collector (I doubt any tool can make that claim and mean it) but when I run it correctly, I get very little dust as long as I am using a good vac system to pull the air through the head.
My take away on this tool is: by owning it, I have it to use whenever I need it and do not have to worry about the hassle, the coordination, and cost of a rental.
By having it, I use it more often and avoid some of the hand sanding I would otherwise have to do. For me, it is a convenience tool that a job was able to pay for and given that.....I now have it and by having it, I have the option to use it (the 90% dust collector that it is!!)
Again, thanks for the comment!!
@@sdsconstruction .i appreciate that you made a reviev .it helps a lot .keep up the good work.
Your looking pretty dusty, guess it doesn’t catch the majority of the dust.?
Hey there FACT.....thanks for the comments! First time using the new sander and had a bit of user error with not keeping the head in flat contact with the ceiling surface so I had some dust otherwise I do not see these days with more practice. I also had some hand sanding you didn't see in the video that might have added to my "powdered" look.
Good tool.
Perfect? No tool is perfect and I have never used a drywall sander yet (rented them a number of times, mostly porter cable) that didn't leak some dust around the head or had minor vac seal issues.
But...good tool. I would buy it again.
By the way....I am not sponsored but anyone (as may be obvious by my small channel of 2k subs) so my review and comments are just honest comments relating my experiences.
220
Final coat was not the 120. Maybe 180 or 220. I can't remember which. I started with 120 I think. Thanks for commenting Todd! Short and to the grit!
Lots of dust haha looks like china made
Thanks for commenting J! No idea where it is made but I assume the dust is mostly user error on my part getting used to the tool and keeping it is flat contact with the sanding surface to allow the dust capture to work. So far...almost a year into the tool, I am happy to have it. It works well for what it does. If it broke, I would replace it with another.
If you see someone with an electric or battery sander WOW change Plasterer. QUIcK
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting Paul! I am a big fan of sanding with a sponge sander for the finish but I will confess, the "rough sand" is a treat with a battery powered tool.
You mentioned plastering.... I have recently discovered that in the New England states, plastering might just be more common than drywall. I have yet to do more than patch with plaster but have not finished a whole wall with plaster. Might be neat to learn some day
@@sdsconstructionyou seem like an AI bot
@@benbrown3073 Howdy Ben and thanks for commenting! AI bot....hmmmm. Sure....I will take that. AI bot Steve. I hope I come across as artificially intelligent as the real artificial intelligent bots.