Seriously, for someone who's just getting into trying to build a computer, you give ALL the relevant helpful info without sounding like you're talking down to a beginner. Been watching for a while and I really appreciate the info and what you're doing with this channel.
I built my gaming PC last Chriistmas on a very tight budget. This men helped me sort it all out. I have an asus 550 and an itel I5-11600k. I dont regret my purchase. I need a better gpu. My 6600 is my bottleneck.
I gotta say... You are really at the top of my pc building advice providers. Honest. Precise. Knowledgeable. You are everything I need. An easy sub, keep up the absolutely fantastic work.
Jason stays at the door welcoming people into the hobby teaching and guiding them on their way. It shows he cares that people get a good understanding to have a good experience with PC building. Also his "boost my build" videos are top tier!
@@PCBuilderChannel I agree your content is among the most useful in this category. With sincere hope you'll take this as constructive criticism: please please tone down the constant "youtube hands". Overdone and distracting.
One thing I’d like to add to this: make sure your board has a debug light. I can’t believe that some don’t. You are basically guaranteed to run into a problem at some point during the lifetime of your PC and a debug light can make troubleshooting take minutes instead of hours.
I love how even as an advanced PC builder myself, that Jason is great at breaking things down for those who may be newbies, possibly even on their very first build.
I feel like I know what I'm doing for the most part, but motherboards have kinda mystified me. This video helps picking something out for a friend's first build.
Unfortunately I found you only after I committed to buying my most expensive pc parts. BUT I have been binge watching most of your videos and I have begun taking notes and have already been panning out upgrades and potential further into the future builds with this new information haha. Your channel is great for a first time builder like me! Love it!
Thanks Jason. It is so hard to adjust to these new expensive prices for b650 and x670 family of atx boards. I am used to $125 or less. These $300+ motherboards are very hard to adjust to.
Thank you, Jason. With your help, and this channels guidance, I was able to build my first PC after scoring a great deal on a 6800xt for prime day. Amazing 1440p, 100+fps machine. Keep posting and I'll keep coming back to learn!
Great content as always. I started watching a couple months ago as I haven't built a PC in about 10 years and I'm looking to do so soon. Great presentation, so much good information set out in a succinct accessible manner. Great youtube channel, I've linked your videos to friends. Keep up the great work and helpful content, I'll probably keep watching after I finally build just because I enjoy learning about the hardware and keeping up with the market and your videos are so great! Thanks Jason!
Thank you so much for that, and thanks for spreading the word. We really appreciate it and are happy that we could provide great content! Good luck with the build :))
I just got the ASRock B650 Pro RS full ATX board and I'm really satisfied with it. I have an external dac so couldn't care less about the audio and it works perfectly fine with my 7700x. It also looks great in my all white build!
@@voidesu the PC is doing great. It's in a Corsair 5000D and the CPU is cooled by a Deepcool 360mm AIO. I have it paired with an MSI 7900 xt Classic Trio and 32Gb of 6000Mhz CL30 ram with buildzoid custom timings.
Happy to know I made the right choice with the Asrock B550M Pro4! Just got it in the mail today and I start my first build tonight! I appreciate all of the great info you bring and your ability to deliver it in a way someone like myself can understand. Thanks!
I have an MSI X570 Tomahawk wifi. At the time i bought it in europe it was a good deal. It does not have this sata ports stopping to work problem when using only the upper m.2 slot, and sata ports 5 and 6 get slower if you use both m.2 slots. But they do not stop working. Thats one good thing about the X series.
Very informative video as always. I would suggest keeping an eye out for bundles. You can save hundreds. I was able to pick up a 7600x and b650 aorus elite ax for 280. Ended up returning a 5600x for a free upgrade to zen4.
Something interesting to consider is that the (budget) B650 Pro RS has Blazing M.2 has (PCIe Gen5x4), and some MSI (premium) only Gen4 for M.2, is something to keep in mind. Thx for the amazing video.
Would you help suggest a motherboard for a 3d simulation artist? I am thinking b650 tomahawk but would go for something better if so. using ddr5 mem and 2tb 980samsung ssd. Thanks, Happy THanks G & BlackFriday
Your results, the detailed spreadsheets you provide for CPU and GPU comparison and now the mini ITX recommendation for motherboards is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you, much appreciated! This channel is quality of life!
@@PCBuilderChannel Did you actually try them? The AsRock B650E PG-ITX is a tragedy. Extremely slow boot despite memory context restore, BIOS fails updating, no BIOS flashback on the contrary to what you imply about AsRock boards...
I have been looking through UA-cam videos on PC build parts for almost 2 weeks, for at least an hour, sometimes 4 hours😅 a day, and you're legitimately the only channel i think is worth subscribing too. I know you also include affiliate links, but i feel like other channels try too hard to push me towards certain ones, even if they go against what they've said in the video. Thanks for all the help, keep up the good work 👍
Me hubiera gustado haber encontrado tu canal antes de construir mi PC, toda la información que nos brindas es de lo mejor, bastante detallado, sigue así, tu contenido es de lo mejor!
There's also the ATX version of the B550M-VC Pro, going for $115 right now (usually $120, also slightly cheaper than the B550-A Pro). Good rear IO, front panel USB-C, lots of USB ports (including a 3.2 gen 2 type A and C), BIOS flashback, and the 2nd m.2 slot is proper gen 3x4 (I've noticed some B550 boards have a gen 3x2 slot). The downsides, no Wi-Fi and ALC897 audio.
sir you haven't uploaded any video on best PC cabinets for budget, RGB cabinet, mid tower and high ends... please try to make a video on this topic it will help a lot 🙏
Thanks for another great video, Jason. TUF X670E-Plus Wifi gang represent! So glad to see it was also on your list of recommended boards. I paired mine with a 7800X3D, 32 GB 6000 MHz CL30 RAM, and PNY 4090 XLR8 OC and this thing just cuts through anything I throw at it. All thanks to your great advice from previous videos! :)
I have the non wifi version. TUF Gaming X670E-Plus. It looks like the bios issues are FINALLY starting to be resolved now. It's been a rocky 9 months or so for me. I'd love to see a review of different older non QVLed memory kits with the boards. I have 32gb kit of 6000mhz G.Skill 40-40-76 ram that works if I set manual settings. It's taken me around 6 months to start getting stable settings though.
@@cookiepuss8182 No issues posting, but boot times aren't super fast. On startup, the memory sticks always go back to their original RGB wave lighting, even though I have set them to a single orange colour. It doesn't really bother me, it gives me more time to make my morning coffee. As far as speeds go, I have them at 6000 MHz with Buildzoid's timings. I'm currently on the latest 1634 beta BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.07b, the one that is supposed to have support for even higher memory frequencies - no issues so far. The previous 1618 worked fine too.
Picking a good motherboard and not overspending on it is the hardest part about building a pc. That, and finding your max stable RAM settings/finding the QVL list on the motherboard website. Thank you for this piece of content
Built my first PC in the 90s and have built them for myself, for family, for work, and for sale, and still love this channel because the info is presented extremely clearly, never talks down, and never hypes stupid things. This is a go-to channel for anybody building their own systems, even for those who think they know it all.
I'm currently rocking a 7800 X3D/ Gigabyte B650 PRO AX (ATX) combo. Very pleased with my choice. Great video, Jason! I wish to thank Ambrosius for his hard work putting y'all to work. Mr. Bear Rulez! 💯🙌
I’m planning on building my very first pc and im planning on getting the 7800 x3d as well so is the B650 PRO AX a good choice for the mother board? All of this is pretty confusing but I’m trying to get the hang of it.
I have the ROG Strix B550-f Gaming Wifi II and using 5800x3d. It is expensive, but is also the highest quality B550 board with wifi, RGB support and is excellent for RAM overclocks.
The MSI MAG Tomahawk x670e board should be on anyone's list looking to go AM5. It has great VRM power, 3A of power on the PWM ports and is now priced under $300. I built a 7950x3d system on the Asus Crosshair Extreme board but am building a second 7950x system and opted for the MSI board. Strongly recommended!
I'm shocked you didn't mention the ASRock X670E PG lightning. That board was down to around $200 USD after MIR right around the time you posted this video. Basically the same as the Steel Legend, but no Wi-Fi. Has an M2 Wi-Fi slot.
I'd probabily skip this gen upgrade, my good old 9900k is still rocking. But I will go for AM5 in the future, the power requirement to performance is super juicy. Nice contect, always full of useful info. Love it! Quick question to @Jason: I'm planning to add the MSI M.2 XPANDER-AERO to a future new build, it says will use 16 x PCIE 3.0. Will it run on a B650(m/atx) motherboard with a PCIE 4.0 GPU?
We come to UA-cam to find answers to our questions. Not sure why people post videos to help people. But won't answer questions? These questions in the comments help so many people when there answered.
Damn I just bought that Aorus X670 Elite AX that's on your desk yesterday. Was hoping you'd say something about it. I'm a data hoarder so I will eventually use all the m.2 slots. Main reason I wanted an x670
Hey Jason, there is this motherboard that is only 200 dollars that comes with so many features(4 m.2 slots, onboard wifi 6e and bluetooth, two usb c ports, and 8 total high speed usb ports, alc4080 audio codec, and pcie gen 5(doesn't really matter atm but it could in the future)) and I've noticed that you haven't even mentioned it. It's called the MSI PRO X670-P WiFi. With all these features at this price, I think it's worthy to be put in the links of the video with a double fire emoji.
One thing to look at, particularly on matx boards is whether the pcie 16 slot is at the top or one slot down, especially if you plan on using the other slots for add in cards. Most gpus are over 2 slots tall these days and most matx cases only have 4 pcie slots in the back, so skipping the top and taking up all 3 other slots is absolutely a no go for me if i wanted to add a pcie m.2 adapter or capture card in the future, or adding more sata or usb 3.x connectors with a pcie card. Another thing to note is pushing the add in card right up against your gpu which will hurt performance by raising temps. If you are only going matx because its cheaper or smaller but not itx because its more expensive and know for a fact you will only ever put a gpu in, disregard this.
Thanks a lot for this video! It helped me a lot to see through the jungle of now available Motherboards with all the very similar namings :s I will go for an Asrock X670E (Either Steel legend or PG Lightning) as I see the best pricing/value i get for the money and it will stay futureproof. It's crazy to see that some B650 Boards cost the same or more than a X670 bit having less features
Can you answer, i have R5 3600, RTX3060, psu 600watt ATX, ram ddr4, case Matrex 40 micro ATX, and i like to upgrade the cpu without change the motherboard, maybe someday i want to up my R5 3600 to 5600X, what motherboard should i get thats good and no need to change when i up my cpu, did B550M Pro4 is a good choice? Or i should spend more money for B550M Steel Legend? , can u pls answer
I choose Msi mpg b650edge Wi-Fi, couple of day and I wasn’t that sure, for my white ish build. Thank you that you confirmed is a good motherboard.and I looked at Nzxt but is to expensive, not worth my money :)
If you want to use your motherboard for many years, buy a Mid-Upper or Upper segment motherboard. Top segment motherboards are much better for adding RAM over time, using USB ports more efficiently, providing less heat, and more stable power management. Especially if you are using high-end processors like 5950X, 5900X, 5800X, 5800X3D. Instead of buying a B series on the AMD side, get an X series motherboard, and on the intel side, instead of the B or H series, get a Z series motherboard. For example, instead of buying the Asus B650E, choose the X670 Crosshair. You will have more I/O units both when you want to upgrade the processor in the future and when you add components such as USB/M2/RAM. Cheap motherboards have fewer PCB layers, a lower thermal threshold, and a simpler VRM layout. For Ryzen 9 and Core i9s, it will always be more beneficial to choose a high-end. I have been using Asus Crosshair X570 for 3 years. And I will continue with this system for 3 more years. If I had bought a simple motherboard, I might have to change an extra motherboard and I wouldn't be able to use it for such a long time.
What I'm most confused with is when you have GPU, NVME drives, and a lot of SATA drives, it seems that on some boards you can't populate all of them? Or you can, but they will run at lower speeds or something. Also, what would happen if some of the PCIE slots are populated? I need 6 SATA drives, at least 2 NVME, and a GPU to work at the same time.
Great video. This was needed. MOBO has been my hardest component to choose. My first choice for b550 got discontinued and i cant find it for a good price anymore. I bumped up to x570s, more money but all the features i was looking for and a whole lot of other features that i wasnt looking for.
Great video overview of these Ryzen motherboards. I have a particular fondness for MSI MAG Tomahawk boards (currently have a MAG X570S Tomahawk WIFI) and have had several. Checking out prices, I see that the price I got my board ($229 USD) nearly two years ago will now buy a B-series board, the X-series boards now costing from $60-$100 more). I suspect that in the future, I will drop back to the B-series boards when I build my next system as they do for the most part now have all the features I want on a motherboard. But instead of building a Ryzen 7000 system, I feel my current setup is so good that I'm considering replacing the current CPU with a Ryzen 9 5900X and calling it a day!
Just put a 5700x into my old TUF B450m motherboard to replace my 2600x. Loving it so far. Didn't have much money to spend but its been a great upgrade.
I upgraded, 3 days ago, from AM4 x470F Asus Strix Gaming to Gigabyte x570S Aorus Elite AX and i can say is a huge upgrade,all my components work so great now!(cpu Ryzen 5900X, 4x8GB sticks ddr4 3200 cl14 GSKILL Trident, 2xnvme ssd,cooler x62 Kraken Nzxt,gpu RX 7900XT Sapphire Nitro VaporX, 6x vents case Lian li argb,3x 2,5SSD sata, 1x external ssd 2TB all of these in Lian Li 011Dynamic case. Notice: all my components was and worked in old platform x470 AM4 and wanted to skip the new x670 AM5 boards.(because otherwise need change processor, ddr!).
Hello, Jason. I have good news. Donovan's PC is finally built. It's tecnichally my first build since I gave him the steps, which made me do an all nighter guiding him. And the finished build is good. I hope I can show it to you somehow. Here are the actual specs of the PC: Ryzen 9 7900X3D, Deepcool LS720 WH, MSI B650 EDGE WIFI, GSKILL TRIDENT Z5 RGB 6000 CL30, 1TB WD BLACK SN850X, 2TB TEAM MP44L, MSI 7900XTX, LIAN LI 216 WH, DEEPCOOL PQ1000M 80+gold psu, Asiahorse white cable sleeves. He got it to post but no OS yet. He will update me on that though.
X670 isn't necessary. Save money and get a B650. The MSI Tomahawk is a good one. I would also get 2TB SSD so you have plenty of storage. Everything else looks good.
It can be a lot I know! You can check out our sample build lists if that's helpful. You can find them in our "builds and parts" list on the channel page. Or you can check out our "Best Prebuilt Gaming PC 2023" video, there's some great prebuilt options out there
i wish there was a place to talk to guys like this. not out to make you spend, just giving you all the info or suggestions depending on what you are aiming for.
Loved your video,. but there was ONE thing I needed to know, which you didn't talk about AT ALL: PCIE 5.0 video cars slot and m.2 ssd slots. If I was to invest in a lets say higher priced motherboard, I'd like very much to know it has at least a PCIE5.0 videocard slot, and at least 1 pcie5.0 m.2 ssd slot, which you didn't utter a single word about. Maybe the next time you are about to do that kind of video you will talk about, would appreciate very much. 👍
Glad you enjoyed! We actually do cover PCIE 5 in the video when we talk about the chipsets (you can hop to it in the chapter times). We cover why its just not relevant or useful in 2023 and we recommend avoiding it
Another Tuf Gaming X670E-Plus Wifi build here - 7950X, 64 GB 4800Mhz (yeah, I know) ram, 2 x 2 TB gen 4 Corsair M.2s and a hand me down RTX 2060 from my previous build. Its for music production and its a beast.
Just got the Elite AX V2 and the 5600x for Black Fri. $135 for the Mobo and $139 for the CPU. Thinking this will be a nice upgrade to my 2600 in a B350 MSI Tomahawk. Thank you for this video man!
Wow dude you explained so good. I spent hours reading articles watching all kind of videos while doing my research and only after I stumbled on your video. You confirmed what I need but would saved me tonns of time if I have seen your video at first. Good job!!!!
Ok pulled the trigger on the 7800x3d and the tomahawk x670E motherboard. Ty PC Builders for the info let you know what the rest of the build will be soon. Ty Jason for all the info.
Beautiful guide as always! Is there any specific reason you haven't mentioned the Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ICE for the R7000 Premium category? The white/silver details on it are amazing and it looks like an amazing board
I don't think you mentions either of the AM5 MSI Tomahawk boards, the B650 is like $220 and the X670E for $280 are both very reasonably priced for what you get. Only thing you give up is RGB
I can back up the recommendation on the Gigabyte B550M DS3H. I got one a few months ago for my 5600X and it's been great, also in 2020 I built two desktop systems with Ryzen 3 3100 + Gigabyte B550M S2H (even cheaper version) and they've been 100% reliable. Not a single BSOD, driver conflict, or anything.
Just ordered ryzen 7800x3d with x670 steel legend 32gb Corsair vang. Kraken 360 elite with asus gt502 case en 9 lian li v2 fan's gigabyte rtx 4080 all parts are white cant wait to build up🙏❤️
you know that there are x670 motherboards that also are cheaper than the most expensive b650 motherboards and the main difference that the majority of b650 mother boards only feature 3 m.2 slots compared to 4 m.2 slots in x670, and that is something worth considering
B550 Rog Strix + 5600x as upgrade from b450 + 2600. Price to performance power package. Was using the B450 at the start with the 5600x but got gifted the B550 and the VRM cooling and overall performance is better. Really happy with my choice and should last me a while. :)
I bought a x670E from asus for my 7800x3d. The reason i bought that mobo is just bc in my country the B650 was only 20 dollars cheaper. And before i had gigabyte x570 with my 3900x. And i really liked that that motherboard.
I am inclining on getting the X670E Asrock Legend, at least on paper, it has everything. While I couldn't find it for cheaper than 340 euro, I don't want to go with Asus and couldn't find a comparable MSI. I've had an Asrock X99 Extreme4 and I've had pretty good experience. The OC wasn't the greatest, but I cannot blame it all on the MB as the 5820k runs at 4.4 Ghz just fine at the moment, not with oc memory (just 2400 mhz instead of 3000). Conectivity wise, it was fully loaded at that time.
Also what's your opinion on using a all in computer as a second monitor, use internet and running just the livestream of your a creator so your gaming pc can play normally but you can still stream.
Hi Jason! Love the video. Unfortunately the Asus Prime b450m-a II isn't available in my area. Is there a suitable replacement in the b450 motherboards or do I have to go to the B550s to get a better value. I'm planning to get a r5 5500 to pair with the mobo.
Hey thanks! Great video. In the video cover you show the asus atx prime x670e-pro but you dont mention it during the video. Would you consider this a good pick?
Already have a x670e aorus master laying next to me new in the box, i think i was kinda late watching this (I ordered my parts yesterday) but its still a great motherboard and im sure im gonna have a great time with it
Anyone else find that this guy uploads exactly what you were looking for at convenient times for everyone?
So glad to hear it! We try (:
Yes 😎😆
Absolutely
Definitely looking for an AM5 mATX board.
Literally just about to say that
Seriously, for someone who's just getting into trying to build a computer, you give ALL the relevant helpful info without sounding like you're talking down to a beginner. Been watching for a while and I really appreciate the info and what you're doing with this channel.
Why would someone ever talk down to a beginner?
Same! I’ve been coming back to their videos and bought components based on recommendations and my budget lol
I love to hear it, so happy we could help you along the way! Thanks for your viewership, we appreciate the support. If you build it, it will run :)
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I built my gaming PC last Chriistmas on a very tight budget. This men helped me sort it all out. I have an asus 550 and an itel I5-11600k. I dont regret my purchase. I need a better gpu. My 6600 is my bottleneck.
I gotta say... You are really at the top of my pc building advice providers.
Honest. Precise. Knowledgeable.
You are everything I need. An easy sub, keep up the absolutely fantastic work.
Thank you so much for your feedback. And we appreciate the sub! :)
Jason stays at the door welcoming people into the hobby teaching and guiding them on their way. It shows he cares that people get a good understanding to have a good experience with PC building. Also his "boost my build" videos are top tier!
Thank you so much for this comment! Really appreciate that!! That's the goal - more PC builders across all communities. :)
@@PCBuilderChannel I agree your content is among the most useful in this category. With sincere hope you'll take this as constructive criticism: please please tone down the constant "youtube hands". Overdone and distracting.
A man who loves cats can't be a bad man😀
One thing I’d like to add to this: make sure your board has a debug light. I can’t believe that some don’t. You are basically guaranteed to run into a problem at some point during the lifetime of your PC and a debug light can make troubleshooting take minutes instead of hours.
Does the aoursb650 elite ax have it
I love how even as an advanced PC builder myself, that Jason is great at breaking things down for those who may be newbies, possibly even on their very first build.
I feel like I know what I'm doing for the most part, but motherboards have kinda mystified me. This video helps picking something out for a friend's first build.
@@WaterZer0 nice, the explanation of the various types of motherboards is exactly the part I was referring to.
Thanks for the feedback, glad the breakdown is clear! Hope you keep enjoying the content! :)
Nice, good luck with your friend's build!
That’s me rn 😅😂
Unfortunately I found you only after I committed to buying my most expensive pc parts. BUT I have been binge watching most of your videos and I have begun taking notes and have already been panning out upgrades and potential further into the future builds with this new information haha. Your channel is great for a first time builder like me! Love it!
Glad you found us!! Thanks for watching (:
Thanks Jason. It is so hard to adjust to these new expensive prices for b650 and x670 family of atx boards. I am used to $125 or less. These $300+ motherboards are very hard to adjust to.
Glad its helpful! Yes the 600 series prices have been all over the place, glad to see some stability coming in
Wait a few more months. You can See the prices are melting again and will even further more next year.
@@Hurensohnologe0711 Hope you are right.
Thank you, Jason. With your help, and this channels guidance, I was able to build my first PC after scoring a great deal on a 6800xt for prime day. Amazing 1440p, 100+fps machine. Keep posting and I'll keep coming back to learn!
Awesome!! Congrats on your first build! Show off a build pic if you like on twitter / threads @pcbuilderjason (:
What cpu and mb and ram you have ???? Thx
Please suggest me if you have any idea 💡
1) processor - AMD RYZEN 5 5600
2) motherboard - Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2
3) AIO - DeepCool AK400
4) RAM - Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (8GBx2)
5) SSD - Western Digital SN570 500GB M.2 NVMe
6) Graphics card - RX 6600 XT
7) PSU - Corsair CV650 80 Plus Bronze Certified
8) Case - Ant Esports 220 Air ARGB (ATX)
❤
Great content as always. I started watching a couple months ago as I haven't built a PC in about 10 years and I'm looking to do so soon. Great presentation, so much good information set out in a succinct accessible manner. Great youtube channel, I've linked your videos to friends. Keep up the great work and helpful content, I'll probably keep watching after I finally build just because I enjoy learning about the hardware and keeping up with the market and your videos are so great! Thanks Jason!
Thank you so much for that, and thanks for spreading the word. We really appreciate it and are happy that we could provide great content! Good luck with the build :))
I just got the ASRock B650 Pro RS full ATX board and I'm really satisfied with it. I have an external dac so couldn't care less about the audio and it works perfectly fine with my 7700x. It also looks great in my all white build!
how’s the Pc going?, and if you don’t mind me asking, what’s case are you using? and your gpu?.
@@voidesu the PC is doing great. It's in a Corsair 5000D and the CPU is cooled by a Deepcool 360mm AIO. I have it paired with an MSI 7900 xt Classic Trio and 32Gb of 6000Mhz CL30 ram with buildzoid custom timings.
Happy to know I made the right choice with the Asrock B550M Pro4! Just got it in the mail today and I start my first build tonight! I appreciate all of the great info you bring and your ability to deliver it in a way someone like myself can understand. Thanks!
yo man how did it go?
How did it go? How are you?
For AM4 I can whole hardily recommend the Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE motherboard. Thing has been rock solid for me.
I just got one for my 5600x3d
Nice! I'm planning to match my 5600x3d with the x570s master aorus. Excited to see others going that route
Na, Gigabyte is trash. ASUS TUF X570 is wayyyy better and more stable.
I have an MSI X570 Tomahawk wifi. At the time i bought it in europe it was a good deal. It does not have this sata ports stopping to work problem when using only the upper m.2 slot, and sata ports 5 and 6 get slower if you use both m.2 slots. But they do not stop working. Thats one good thing about the X series.
Thanks for sharing!
Jason, without your videos I dont know where I would be, your guides have helped me save so much money!
Love to hear it, learning and savings for the win! Thank you for watching, hope you keep enjoying all the new content.
Actually helping a friend build his first pc through your vids and this is exactly what i needed 😂
Exciting! Glad we can help!
exactly the video i was waiting for
Love it when the timing is good!
Very informative video as always. I would suggest keeping an eye out for bundles. You can save hundreds. I was able to pick up a 7600x and b650 aorus elite ax for 280. Ended up returning a 5600x for a free upgrade to zen4.
Nice! Where did you find this bundle?😊
@@jeanpoma5485 best buy
Something interesting to consider is that the (budget) B650 Pro RS has Blazing M.2 has (PCIe Gen5x4), and some MSI (premium) only Gen4 for M.2, is something to keep in mind.
Thx for the amazing video.
Would you help suggest a motherboard for a 3d simulation artist? I am thinking b650 tomahawk but would go for something better if so. using ddr5 mem and 2tb 980samsung ssd. Thanks, Happy THanks G & BlackFriday
As a 13yr old that’s fully upgrading his dad’s old pc with only 300 pounds I appreciate your pure help
Your results, the detailed spreadsheets you provide for CPU and GPU comparison and now the mini ITX recommendation for motherboards is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you, much appreciated! This channel is quality of life!
So glad its helpful!! Thank you for watching
@@PCBuilderChannel Did you actually try them? The AsRock B650E PG-ITX is a tragedy. Extremely slow boot despite memory context restore, BIOS fails updating, no BIOS flashback on the contrary to what you imply about AsRock boards...
I have been looking through UA-cam videos on PC build parts for almost 2 weeks, for at least an hour, sometimes 4 hours😅 a day, and you're legitimately the only channel i think is worth subscribing too. I know you also include affiliate links, but i feel like other channels try too hard to push me towards certain ones, even if they go against what they've said in the video. Thanks for all the help, keep up the good work 👍
Love to hear this, so glad you found us! So happy to help, thanks for your support.
Me hubiera gustado haber encontrado tu canal antes de construir mi PC, toda la información que nos brindas es de lo mejor, bastante detallado, sigue así, tu contenido es de lo mejor!
¡Gracias! ¡Lo has encontrado ahora y te alegra que podamos ayudarte!
I snatched the msi b650M mortar wifi for $179 what a deal.
Pairing it with ryzen 5 7600X and rx 6700XT can’t wait to build the pc ❤
There's also the ATX version of the B550M-VC Pro, going for $115 right now (usually $120, also slightly cheaper than the B550-A Pro). Good rear IO, front panel USB-C, lots of USB ports (including a 3.2 gen 2 type A and C), BIOS flashback, and the 2nd m.2 slot is proper gen 3x4 (I've noticed some B550 boards have a gen 3x2 slot). The downsides, no Wi-Fi and ALC897 audio.
sir you haven't uploaded any video on best PC cabinets for budget, RGB cabinet, mid tower and high ends...
please try to make a video on this topic
it will help a lot 🙏
Thanks for another great video, Jason. TUF X670E-Plus Wifi gang represent! So glad to see it was also on your list of recommended boards. I paired mine with a 7800X3D, 32 GB 6000 MHz CL30 RAM, and PNY 4090 XLR8 OC and this thing just cuts through anything I throw at it. All thanks to your great advice from previous videos! :)
Ohhh very nice combo you got there!! Have you shown off a build pic yet on twitter / threads @pcbuilderjason? Would love to see it!
This ram works perfect with no posting issues? Been struggling what to get as far as speeds on the ram on these 7000 series boards.
I have the non wifi version. TUF Gaming X670E-Plus. It looks like the bios issues are FINALLY starting to be resolved now. It's been a rocky 9 months or so for me.
I'd love to see a review of different older non QVLed memory kits with the boards. I have 32gb kit of 6000mhz G.Skill 40-40-76 ram that works if I set manual settings. It's taken me around 6 months to start getting stable settings though.
@@cookiepuss8182 No issues posting, but boot times aren't super fast. On startup, the memory sticks always go back to their original RGB wave lighting, even though I have set them to a single orange colour. It doesn't really bother me, it gives me more time to make my morning coffee. As far as speeds go, I have them at 6000 MHz with Buildzoid's timings. I'm currently on the latest 1634 beta BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.07b, the one that is supposed to have support for even higher memory frequencies - no issues so far. The previous 1618 worked fine too.
@99vv17 My comment with a PCPartPicker link keeps getting automatically deleted, for whatever reason. Here's a text paste:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken Z53 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: MSI A1000G PCIE5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Picking a good motherboard and not overspending on it is the hardest part about building a pc. That, and finding your max stable RAM settings/finding the QVL list on the motherboard website. Thank you for this piece of content
The QVL can be helpful but to be honest I've never bought ram because of the list (it just works 99% of the time) ^^
Built my first PC in the 90s and have built them for myself, for family, for work, and for sale, and still love this channel because the info is presented extremely clearly, never talks down, and never hypes stupid things. This is a go-to channel for anybody building their own systems, even for those who think they know it all.
Thank you so much! Really appreciate the feedback!
I'm currently rocking a 7800 X3D/ Gigabyte B650 PRO AX (ATX) combo. Very pleased with my choice. Great video, Jason! I wish to thank Ambrosius for his hard work putting y'all to work. Mr. Bear Rulez! 💯🙌
Hello Thomas! Great build!!! Mr. Bear approves :)
How is the audio for the board?
@@MrTeknown It´s good IMO.
Whats the full build? Have you had any issues with the gigabyte b650 and DDR5 ram?
I’m planning on building my very first pc and im planning on getting the 7800 x3d as well so is the B650 PRO AX a good choice for the mother board? All of this is pretty confusing but I’m trying to get the hang of it.
I have the ROG Strix B550-f Gaming Wifi II and using 5800x3d. It is expensive, but is also the highest quality B550 board with wifi, RGB support and is excellent for RAM overclocks.
The MSI MAG Tomahawk x670e board should be on anyone's list looking to go AM5. It has great VRM power, 3A of power on the PWM ports and is now priced under $300. I built a 7950x3d system on the Asus Crosshair Extreme board but am building a second 7950x system and opted for the MSI board. Strongly recommended!
Thanks I'll probably get this one i want usb 3.2 gen 2
I'm shocked you didn't mention the ASRock X670E PG lightning. That board was down to around $200 USD after MIR right around the time you posted this video. Basically the same as the Steel Legend, but no Wi-Fi. Has an M2 Wi-Fi slot.
I'd probabily skip this gen upgrade, my good old 9900k is still rocking. But I will go for AM5 in the future, the power requirement to performance is super juicy. Nice contect, always full of useful info. Love it!
Quick question to @Jason: I'm planning to add the MSI M.2 XPANDER-AERO to a future new build, it says will use 16 x PCIE 3.0. Will it run on a B650(m/atx) motherboard with a PCIE 4.0 GPU?
We come to UA-cam to find answers to our questions. Not sure why people post videos to help people. But won't answer questions?
These questions in the comments help so many people when there answered.
Damn I just bought that Aorus X670 Elite AX that's on your desk yesterday. Was hoping you'd say something about it.
I'm a data hoarder so I will eventually use all the m.2 slots. Main reason I wanted an x670
Is it good ?
I'm like you. I bought it last week
@@buren261 From what I've seen Gigabyte boards have the best RAM compatibility. There's tons of USB ports too. So hopefully all goes well
Prime boards=prime for a fire.
Hey Jason, there is this motherboard that is only 200 dollars that comes with so many features(4 m.2 slots, onboard wifi 6e and bluetooth, two usb c ports, and 8 total high speed usb ports, alc4080 audio codec, and pcie gen 5(doesn't really matter atm but it could in the future)) and I've noticed that you haven't even mentioned it. It's called the MSI PRO X670-P WiFi. With all these features at this price, I think it's worthy to be put in the links of the video with a double fire emoji.
One thing to look at, particularly on matx boards is whether the pcie 16 slot is at the top or one slot down, especially if you plan on using the other slots for add in cards. Most gpus are over 2 slots tall these days and most matx cases only have 4 pcie slots in the back, so skipping the top and taking up all 3 other slots is absolutely a no go for me if i wanted to add a pcie m.2 adapter or capture card in the future, or adding more sata or usb 3.x connectors with a pcie card. Another thing to note is pushing the add in card right up against your gpu which will hurt performance by raising temps.
If you are only going matx because its cheaper or smaller but not itx because its more expensive and know for a fact you will only ever put a gpu in, disregard this.
Thanks a lot for this video! It helped me a lot to see through the jungle of now available Motherboards with all the very similar namings :s I will go for an Asrock X670E (Either Steel legend or PG Lightning) as I see the best pricing/value i get for the money and it will stay futureproof. It's crazy to see that some B650 Boards cost the same or more than a X670 bit having less features
Can you answer, i have R5 3600, RTX3060, psu 600watt ATX, ram ddr4, case Matrex 40 micro ATX, and i like to upgrade the cpu without change the motherboard, maybe someday i want to up my R5 3600 to 5600X, what motherboard should i get thats good and no need to change when i up my cpu, did B550M Pro4 is a good choice? Or i should spend more money for B550M Steel Legend? , can u pls answer
I love that he includes the audio specs. Everyone overlooks that and it’s really nice he includes it
So glad it’s helpful!
I had the 550 tomahawk and upgraded to the 650 tomahawk very happy about the perf and features I m running a 7800X3D.
Nice! Thanks for sharing
I choose Msi mpg b650edge Wi-Fi, couple of day and I wasn’t that sure, for my white ish build. Thank you that you confirmed is a good motherboard.and I looked at Nzxt but is to expensive, not worth my money :)
Would love to see a best of the high end X670E boards, the Maximus Extreme, the MSI Godlike etc.
I use b450 with 5600g and rx6600 ;) not worth upgrading to b550 just to get pcie4 advantage (which is ~5% fps boost) IMO
If you want to use your motherboard for many years, buy a Mid-Upper or Upper segment motherboard. Top segment motherboards are much better for adding RAM over time, using USB ports more efficiently, providing less heat, and more stable power management. Especially if you are using high-end processors like 5950X, 5900X, 5800X, 5800X3D. Instead of buying a B series on the AMD side, get an X series motherboard, and on the intel side, instead of the B or H series, get a Z series motherboard. For example, instead of buying the Asus B650E, choose the X670 Crosshair. You will have more I/O units both when you want to upgrade the processor in the future and when you add components such as USB/M2/RAM. Cheap motherboards have fewer PCB layers, a lower thermal threshold, and a simpler VRM layout. For Ryzen 9 and Core i9s, it will always be more beneficial to choose a high-end. I have been using Asus Crosshair X570 for 3 years. And I will continue with this system for 3 more years. If I had bought a simple motherboard, I might have to change an extra motherboard and I wouldn't be able to use it for such a long time.
Do you have any advice for a new build- go with AM5 vs AM4? Ive heard ppl having issues with Asus x670 mobos and DDR5
I bought the asrock x670e steel legend. So far so good!!!
Hi Jason, is MSI PRO B550M-A WIFI a good motherboard?
great video and prefect timing!! i was just about to do my research on boards for my build.
Well glad that timing worked out! Good luck with the build :)
Will the MSI B650 Tomahawk be enough for the 7800x3D?
Hi, where do people find information about audio codec model on motherboards? They are sometimes not even written on manufacturer website.
What I'm most confused with is when you have GPU, NVME drives, and a lot of SATA drives, it seems that on some boards you can't populate all of them? Or you can, but they will run at lower speeds or something. Also, what would happen if some of the PCIE slots are populated? I need 6 SATA drives, at least 2 NVME, and a GPU to work at the same time.
This is possibly the best review / tutorial I've seen in a long time. Great job!
Thank you! So glad you enjoyed
What about Asus rog strix b650 e -f? It's less price but great performance
Seems pretty clear now to me that the msi b650 tomahawk is the way to go, thank you!
Great video. This was needed. MOBO has been my hardest component to choose. My first choice for b550 got discontinued and i cant find it for a good price anymore. I bumped up to x570s, more money but all the features i was looking for and a whole lot of other features that i wasnt looking for.
Great video overview of these Ryzen motherboards. I have a particular fondness for MSI MAG Tomahawk boards (currently have a MAG X570S Tomahawk WIFI) and have had several. Checking out prices, I see that the price I got my board ($229 USD) nearly two years ago will now buy a B-series board, the X-series boards now costing from $60-$100 more). I suspect that in the future, I will drop back to the B-series boards when I build my next system as they do for the most part now have all the features I want on a motherboard. But instead of building a Ryzen 7000 system, I feel my current setup is so good that I'm considering replacing the current CPU with a Ryzen 9 5900X and calling it a day!
Just put a 5700x into my old TUF B450m motherboard to replace my 2600x. Loving it so far. Didn't have much money to spend but its been a great upgrade.
Did you face any performance issues?
I upgraded, 3 days ago, from AM4 x470F Asus Strix Gaming to Gigabyte x570S Aorus Elite AX and i can say is a huge upgrade,all my components work so great now!(cpu Ryzen 5900X, 4x8GB sticks ddr4 3200 cl14 GSKILL Trident, 2xnvme ssd,cooler x62 Kraken Nzxt,gpu RX 7900XT Sapphire Nitro VaporX, 6x vents case Lian li argb,3x 2,5SSD sata, 1x external ssd 2TB all of these in Lian Li 011Dynamic case.
Notice: all my components was and worked in old platform x470 AM4 and wanted to skip the new x670 AM5 boards.(because otherwise need change processor, ddr!).
Hello, Jason. I have good news. Donovan's PC is finally built. It's tecnichally my first build since I gave him the steps, which made me do an all nighter guiding him. And the finished build is good. I hope I can show it to you somehow. Here are the actual specs of the PC:
Ryzen 9 7900X3D, Deepcool LS720 WH, MSI B650 EDGE WIFI, GSKILL TRIDENT Z5 RGB 6000 CL30, 1TB WD BLACK SN850X, 2TB TEAM MP44L, MSI 7900XTX, LIAN LI 216 WH, DEEPCOOL PQ1000M 80+gold psu, Asiahorse white cable sleeves.
He got it to post but no OS yet. He will update me on that though.
Awesome! Congrats Rogue!! Do you have twitter or threads? You can share a pic there @pcbuilderjason.
@@PCBuilderChannel Just sent a video on your replies on twitter. Do you see it?
Yes!! It looks amazing!!
What do you think ? Is it good ? ( please reply) .
● Ryzen 7600x .
● RX 6800 XT .
● Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX .
● Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 .
● Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB.
● Corsair RM850x 850w 80+ Gold .
My use: games, edit , programming, And a little stream .
X670 isn't necessary. Save money and get a B650. The MSI Tomahawk is a good one.
I would also get 2TB SSD so you have plenty of storage.
Everything else looks good.
@@kelley09162 I already bought the motherboard last week, so I can't change it, but is it good?
@@buren261 yes it's good. I was just trying to save you money.
I was literally looking at differences…. Trying to build a gaming pc but there’s too many options😐
It can be a lot I know! You can check out our sample build lists if that's helpful. You can find them in our "builds and parts" list on the channel page. Or you can check out our "Best Prebuilt Gaming PC 2023" video, there's some great prebuilt options out there
For someone on a budget build plan, your videos are extremely helpful. Thank you for the in depth explanation.
So glad they are useful! Thank you for watching
i wish there was a place to talk to guys like this. not out to make you spend, just giving you all the info or suggestions depending on what you are aiming for.
Glad this was helpful! Hope you keep enjoying the content
Another banger Jason, I’m definitely upgrading my cpu soon so this was helpful. But for now I have a Ryzen 5 3600, what should I lookout for, for now?
The 5800x3D is your best choice for now. Depends on your motherboard though and GPU.
Thank you so much! Depending on your budget and usage too, check out our 5600, 7600, and 5800X3D Build Guide videos for more :)
Loved your video,. but there was ONE thing I needed to know, which you didn't talk about AT ALL: PCIE 5.0 video cars slot and m.2 ssd slots. If I was to invest in a lets say higher priced motherboard, I'd like very much to know it has at least a PCIE5.0 videocard slot, and at least 1 pcie5.0 m.2 ssd slot, which you didn't utter a single word about. Maybe the next time you are about to do that kind of video you will talk about, would appreciate very much. 👍
Glad you enjoyed! We actually do cover PCIE 5 in the video when we talk about the chipsets (you can hop to it in the chapter times). We cover why its just not relevant or useful in 2023 and we recommend avoiding it
@@PCBuilderChannelOh, ok, from that perspective... but I guess for some it *was* important hehe.
Please slow down your talking, give us time to absorb what you're saying. We wont go anywhere. promise.You're channel is one of the best out there.
Appreciate the feedback, glad you are enjoying!
I just got the "Gigabyte X670 gaming x ax", a cheap X670 complete with everything.
Great video!
Another Tuf Gaming X670E-Plus Wifi build here - 7950X, 64 GB 4800Mhz (yeah, I know) ram, 2 x 2 TB gen 4 Corsair M.2s and a hand me down RTX 2060 from my previous build. Its for music production and its a beast.
Jason, your videos are truly a gift for the pc builder community, so clear, so honest, keep up the good work !
Thank you! So glad they are helpful
Just got the Elite AX V2 and the 5600x for Black Fri. $135 for the Mobo and $139 for the CPU. Thinking this will be a nice upgrade to my 2600 in a B350 MSI Tomahawk.
Thank you for this video man!
Wow dude you explained so good. I spent hours reading articles watching all kind of videos while doing my research and only after I stumbled on your video. You confirmed what I need but would saved me tonns of time if I have seen your video at first. Good job!!!!
Thank you so much for your feedback, so glad we could confirm what you found! Welcome to the channel :)
You explaing everything in detail is what new PC builders like me need and I highly appreciate it. Definitely following
Love to hear it, thank you! And thanks so much for the follow :)
Ok pulled the trigger on the 7800x3d and the tomahawk x670E motherboard. Ty PC Builders for the info let you know what the rest of the build will be soon. Ty Jason for all the info.
Can someone please tell me is the gigabyte aours elite ax b650 motherboard good and can it run a 7800x3D well
Grear video, i found that the TUF GAMING B550-PLUS WIFI II, uses the ALC887/897 codec, and the TUF GAMING B550-PLUS uses the ALC 1200.
Beautiful guide as always!
Is there any specific reason you haven't mentioned the Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ICE for the R7000 Premium category? The white/silver details on it are amazing and it looks like an amazing board
Finally finished my shopping list. Now for the trip to MicroCenter and wait for shipping from other locations 😁
I don't think you mentions either of the AM5 MSI Tomahawk boards, the B650 is like $220 and the X670E for $280 are both very reasonably priced for what you get. Only thing you give up is RGB
NOTE: the MSI B650 Carbon, per the user manual, PCIe_1 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 & M.2_3. Populating EITHER M.2 slot will reduce PCIe_1 to 8x.
I can back up the recommendation on the Gigabyte B550M DS3H. I got one a few months ago for my 5600X and it's been great, also in 2020 I built two desktop systems with Ryzen 3 3100 + Gigabyte B550M S2H (even cheaper version) and they've been 100% reliable. Not a single BSOD, driver conflict, or anything.
Thanks for sharing!
My first gaming pc with r7800x3D with x670 and rtx4070 🎉
I too went for the asrock b550m pro4 when I built my 5600x system a few years ago now when the 5600x came out. It is serving me well.
Just ordered ryzen 7800x3d with x670 steel legend 32gb Corsair vang. Kraken 360 elite with asus gt502 case en 9 lian li v2 fan's gigabyte rtx 4080 all parts are white cant wait to build up🙏❤️
you know that there are x670 motherboards that also are cheaper than the most expensive b650 motherboards and the main difference that the majority of b650 mother boards only feature 3 m.2 slots compared to 4 m.2 slots in x670, and that is something worth considering
I'm sure you've gone over the mobo basics at the beginning of the video many times. Thank you for doing it again!! I did not know a lot of that!!
You're very welcome! Glad you got some learning in :)
B550 Rog Strix + 5600x as upgrade from b450 + 2600.
Price to performance power package. Was using the B450 at the start with the 5600x but got gifted the B550 and the VRM cooling and overall performance is better.
Really happy with my choice and should last me a while. :)
I bought a x670E from asus for my 7800x3d. The reason i bought that mobo is just bc in my country the B650 was only 20 dollars cheaper. And before i had gigabyte x570 with my 3900x. And i really liked that that motherboard.
I love my MSI B550-A Pro board. Currently at $140 on Amazon which is just about what I paid back in early 2022.
I am inclining on getting the X670E Asrock Legend, at least on paper, it has everything. While I couldn't find it for cheaper than 340 euro, I don't want to go with Asus and couldn't find a comparable MSI. I've had an Asrock X99 Extreme4 and I've had pretty good experience. The OC wasn't the greatest, but I cannot blame it all on the MB as the 5820k runs at 4.4 Ghz just fine at the moment, not with oc memory (just 2400 mhz instead of 3000). Conectivity wise, it was fully loaded at that time.
Still rockin my ASRock X370 taichi. Works with the 5800x3d
Also what's your opinion on using a all in computer as a second monitor, use internet and running just the livestream of your a creator so your gaming pc can play normally but you can still stream.
My first PC build is tomahawk b650 + Ryzen 5 7600x + rx 7900xt is tomahawk b650 good for this or should I upgrade to a better motherboard
Hi Jason! Love the video. Unfortunately the Asus Prime b450m-a II isn't available in my area. Is there a suitable replacement in the b450 motherboards or do I have to go to the B550s to get a better value. I'm planning to get a r5 5500 to pair with the mobo.
Check for the ASUS TUF Gaming B450 ii - has upgraded audio and other features. After that I'd consider going B550.
Loving the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wifi. Hope it will be great for a future CPU upgrade!
Perfect timing! I'm currently shopping for motherboards for a new build👍🏼 Thanks Jason
Brilliant! Good luck with the new build, glad to help :D
Hey thanks! Great video. In the video cover you show the asus atx prime x670e-pro but you dont mention it during the video. Would you consider this a good pick?
Wish I saw this sooner just purchased a MSI MPG B650I EDGE WIFI. Hope it is just as well for 7000 series ryzen cpu’s.
That’s basically just the ITX version of the one mentioned in the video, it’ll be great 👍
The MSI PRO B650M-P is $110 and the AsRock Pro RS is down to $125. All you need for a 7500F, 7600/X, 7770X or even a 7900/X.
Already have a x670e aorus master laying next to me new in the box, i think i was kinda late watching this (I ordered my parts yesterday) but its still a great motherboard and im sure im gonna have a great time with it