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I loved your video. But I think you both are right, and I think you both are wrong. You do agree on something. Industrial food sucks. Maybe you could work together and stop treating each other like lepers.
Absolute lunacy. It’s amazing to me that anyone still believes in Charlatans like Ancel Keys (who famously CHERRY PICKED his data) or the fringe religious groups and their insane religious beliefs, over the clear scientific evidence and common sense of thousands of years of tradition. The heart disease issues of the early 20th century were clearly caused by the bizarre acceptance of fake fats from industrial WASTE products-seed oils pressed in a factory and bleached to look like animal fats. And to top it off, your insane beliefs helped kill Steve Jobs. What a nutcase.
I was a vegan for 6 months and it nearly killed me. I did it for health and to save animals. I wish I had known about carnivore before going vegan. I am witness to living a good health from doing standard, vegan, keto and best diet ever which is the carnivore diet. No meds. At all. Been doing it now for 20 years. I just heard about Nina today and have to say she is absolutely correct.
Thank you for sharing. We need to continue to explore and learn more about nutrition and health. 7 years vegan, lost my health.mental and physical. Nutrition is complex...It is crazy but going carnivore has healed me fully.
I share your sentiments exactly. Vegan destroyed my health. Meat based with raw dairy and fruits have me looking and feeling great, including hair and muscle tissue growth.
@@Cyberbronco right? i am so shocked that all i believed to be true on food is actually wrong. for years i had bread, pasta and veggies....!!!! what happened to you?
@@sevbuyse I started with a Macrobiotic diet and then went more mainstream vegetarian: fruits, nuts vegetables, no refined flour or sugar. My skin almost fell off. I developed allergies to everything. After years of visiting doctors I detoxed with nothing but red meat and slowly reintroduced fruits to my diet. My body looks more muscular and healthy than ever before in my life. I hardly recognize myself in the mirror. Sometimes I stare :)
Have Nina show a photo of her heart arteries now so you can see the amount of blockage in 20 years. Thank you for your keto experiment and sacrifice. Because that's the only research Nina is doing on keto.
For heaven's sake - do your research. Nina Teicholz's experience and research makes her a trusted resource - this isn't about the on-going "battle" between vegans and those who include meat protein in their chosen way of eating - it's about getting the BEST nutrition and health for your body. People are free to choose whatever lifestyle they want that makes them feel their best. I have poured literally thousands of hours into research and for me, I chose Keto and transitioned into more of a Carnivore way of eating. ALL of my health markers have vastly improved over the last year. I am 66 y.o, - along the way, my way of eating has completely reversed T2 Diabetes, high blood pressure, psoriasis, skin, tons of energy, clear thinking and lost 70 lbs. I feel better than I have in 20 years. Everyone is different - choose what works for you, and let others do the same.
I love your comment and do agree that we still know little about nutrition, but respectfully, your experience is anecdotal and we must as a species both follow the scientific data, challenge and improve on it where possible and continue to do more of it. Glad your health has improved as a result of your changes, that’s wonderful!
The New York Times has an article which tells of a Harvard study done back in the 50s or 60s condemning saturated fats which was paid for by the Sugar Industry which essentially blamed high cholesterol on fats instead of the real culprit sugar. Studies like that along with Ancel Keys's misinformation (7 countries study) led to the low fat hypothesis which for the last 60 years has caused Type 2 diabetes to reach epic proportions in this country and around the world. Have you noticed the obesity problem? Just look around you. It's sugar not fats. The average American eats 150lbs of sugar a year. Back in the early 1800s it was 2lbs. We've got diseases now that were unheard of before the low fat craze.
So in the last 60 years no studies were done into fat and sugar? The science is clear. High fat and high sugar are both unhealthy. Whole carbs and fiber make the difference.
Hahaha, I'm glad to hear you say this because I almost cut it at the last minute as I fretted over the length of this episode. I cut several humorous clips if they didn't make a crucial point. 🤔
I just wanted to squeeze that unnatural mound through my fingers and then throw it against the wall!! 😡 What chemical trash most of us ( in the long past - hopefully ) have put into our bodies. 🤢
As a keto "survivor", I believed all of this bogus research. However, it almost killed me -wrecked my gut, gallstones, high blood pressure & cholesterol, fatty liver, and heart issues. After a week stay in the hospital, I went Vegan. 7 months later, I had a clean CT scan!
@@Yourhighnessnona It's hardly surprising given keto is high in saturated fat and has none of the benefits of whole food plants. People aren't dying or on medication because they ate too many whole food plants. WFPB reversed my T2 diabetes and every quarter my bloodwork comes back clean with great numbers in comparison to when I did keto.
@@Yourhighnessnona All the things that OP listed are linked with high meat diets. If you don't believe it, then you haven't read the scientific studies.
Exactly the same for me. I was one of the idiots believing the keto hype many years ago. After 2,5 years, I got many many health deteriorations. Ending up in hospital the doctors told me to immediately stop the keto crap and go Mediterranean and drastically reduce animal products. This saved my life. Keto and animal products turned a healthy man into a sick patient. Going plant based saved him again.
You can be vegan and still accomplish a ketogenic diet btw. Also, the correct way to do a ketogenic diet is plant based with moderate protein. People get too wrapped up with macros etc. I think vegans believe a ketogenic diet is just bacon, butter and ribeyes haha. When you cutout the bullshit ie the processed carbs and industrial seed oils in either a vegan diet or keto diet you will thrive. You genetic makeup and gut biodiversity will guide you to what diet feels best.
There are people whose lives have been saved by adopting a keto diet. Wish you tubers wouldn't spend time bad mouthing something that truly helps others.
"Is Nina Teicholz right about saturated fat" - YES "is she a lobbyist for the meat industry" - NO Is this channel a lobbyist for the big food, big pharma and big fertilizers industries? - YES!
Had someone challenged me 2-3 years ago, I would have eaten that in under an hour. Now, make a Junk Vegan version of that, and MAYBE I'll try a piece... For science. (Love your content, your Cholesterol Confusion video on Ken Berry those years ago gave me the kick to become 100% WFPB.)
While hilarious, it was unnecessary to give money to these horrible industries. A pizza with dairy cheese and pepperoni? as well as cheese burger from mc donalds. This supports the most horrific industries on our planet for a 5 second bit. Could've used stock footage.
That;s a truly crazy claim. They seem to push the beliefs of cranks and charlatans while trying to explain away the actual scientific evidence by alleging weird global conspiracies. it's a movement based on. to put it kindly, falsehoods ... some of which are detailed in this video above.
Not really. I would prefer to believe that eating animals is good for you, and doesn’t cause animal suffering. I love the taste of Buffalo wings, fried chicken and a good steak. But the truth is these foods made me sick and feel old and tired. What I prefer to believe differs from reality. Eating fruits and veggies makes me feel energized. Facts, not beliefs.
Mark Twain (his real name was Samuel Clemens) was a better thinker than most people today, and he wasn't a vegetarian. I think those factors are closely correlated.
I am a bit puzzled as to why you glossed over the iniut carnivores and did not mention the ability ketogenic diet to reverse type 2 diabetes. Everything else seemed fair enough.
THANK YOU for adding this comment - I reversed my T2 Diabetes following first a well formulated Ketogenic diet, then transitioning to Carnivore, which has enabled me to never be hungry, and yet maintain my exact weight (for maintenance) for the last few months.
I wouldn't say that the Inuits are carnivores. Growing up on the traditional Alaska Native Inupiaq diet comprised mostly of wild game, fish, berries, roots, greens, tubers, and plants I would consider them more or less omnivores. They suffer from a lot of heart disease and diabetes when switching to the American diet, which I why I switched to WFPB last month.
The funniest thing is how these ilk seem to think that Americans actually followed the dietary guidelines. The populace never has, at any point. Most Americans' concept of a "healthy low fat diet" even during the height of the low fat craze was "low fat" yogurt, "low fat" cottage cheese, and skinless chicken. What regular Jane/Joe American do you ever knew who followed the real guidelines of whole, unprocessed grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables making up the bulk of the plate?
I admire the Canadian food guide but I notice they say they are in fourth place among the Canadian public when it comes to influence. Friends, social media, and books are ahead of them.
Except that the researchers used actual cash register receipts - if you paid for it, most likely you're going to eat what you bought. Meat, 1 green vegetable and a starch formed the majority of meals. Sandwiches, with lettuce, tomato, onion were also popular.
Well if you watched Nina's talk instead of just listening to this guy cherry pick arguments against her, you'd see she presents evidence that people did follow the dietary guidelines. Extremely well.
I really really tried to listen.. But I couldn't take it longer than ten minutes. This gentleman is preaching a religion for his believers, and that's fine. Don't think there's a lot of research behind it.. Nina researched the hell out of it, and for some her message hurts. Do your own research, and don't follow blindly.. Probably a whole food, plant based diet is fine, but in the end you may miss a lot of nutrients, vitamins and minerals (the right, complete mix of amino acids, B12, K2, D3, Zinc, Iodine). Nutrient density is much lower in a vegan or even vegetarian diet than in omnivore or carnivore. When you women want to become pregnant, take at least B12 and Iodine as a supplement, your child will benefit from it. Again, also search outside your bubble... 🔦
Cholesterol levels mean nothing. Examples: 1: chimpanzees in captivity are fed a 100% vegetarian diets (unlike their natural diet) and yet their cholesterol levels are significantly higher than ours yet they do not develop clogged arteries. 2. The Japanese have a slighter higher average cholesterol levels than Americans, yes suffer much less CVD. 3. The lower your cholesterol level, the sooner you die of all causes. 4. All the 3 things above are irrefutable facts.
Cholesterol is extremely highly regulated in our body like blood sugar, but unlike blood sugar, you can’t eat too much cholesterol, because it would be too much for your stomach too. It’s too much foods if you are ti overeat cholesterol.
dumb message primates do not eat meat outside of rare documented cases. No one asks a gorilla where they get their protein. Eating dead things leads to premature death. Animal consumption is and has been the leading cause of disease and pandemics for hundreds of years as much as people want to deny the facts! DUH! Fruit has enough protein to sustain humans
Fuck Ancel Keys. The reason heart disease declined was smoking cessation, and cleaner air in factories and outdoors. Had nothing to do with trading meat for pasta.
If you want to make pigs fat feed them bread... same thing happens to humans.... Every single vegan I have ever know always turns to meat eventually...
I would love to see a vegan/prepper crossover episode. It seems to me that prepper people are all saving crisco and ultra processed high sodium foods and canned meats along with their beans and white rice. What’s the point of surviving the end of the world if your just going to kill yourself with spam and KD?
@@ChristiePriem Yes, short term, supplements could work. Though they usually expire within a few years. There are potential alternatives such as Chlorella, Duckweed, Seaweed and fermented foods. But they would need to be scientifically tested.
@@jys365 you could prep supplements of B12, prep B12 fortified food and Nutritional Yeast. Lots of great freeze dried vegan options can be found at backpacking stores and don’t forget that you can also buy freeze dried #10 cans of vegetables, fruits, grains etc.
I'm with Dr N, at this point we know what a healthy human diet looks like; but the people casting doubt have $ to keep us buying the lies. No one's getting rich selling sweet potatoes..
John Buscher 1 second ago Sorry I have to disagree as I am living proof you are wrong. I had dangerously high BP/ high cholesterol and a fatty liver and was clinically obese. I have lost 63lbs. in 6 months doing a loose keto diet (10% whole grains/carbs/30% meats and 60% plants) + intermittent fasting (restricted eating 16/8) and only cooked in sat fats (butter/lard/olive oil) and eggs were a regular staple. I also had moderate daily (30 min.) exercise daily,. I had a full blood workup done 5 days ago and my cholesterol is good, BP is normal (yay off BP meds!) and fatty liver is gone. My GP is dumbfounded because what I was doing went against prevailing medical advise. I didn't watch UA-camrs and just blindly follow their advice and I went out and read research. (I am a researcher by trade) The PROBLEM with Ancel Keys was that his study had a lot of statistical problems in it and could not show causation only correlation. I say the same about Teicholz's graph showing the correlation between the rise of vegetable oils and obesity, it does not show causality. The bottom line is we need better scientific studies on the effects of diet on health. I will leave you with this simple thought, our bodies did not evolved to eat as many refined/simple carbs and refined vegetable oils as we do today. Our ancestors most likely ate lots of veggies, eggs, meat, and some fruits when in season and primarily animal/fish (saturated/monosaturated) fats.
These videos have tons of potential, but I have a hard time holding on to the string of reasoning, and sometimes I don't know where we're at. I was wondering why and I think I just found out: the narrator proceeds to rebuke certain arguments before their content was properly laid out for us and made clear. For example, he says that there is so much misinformation about arteries being clogged because of fat, then he puts up a clip of some guy talking about the arteries of bunnies getting clogged, we have no idea where he's coming from until the very last sentence when he says "but they're vegetarians", then we barely have a second to link the dots and figure out that that speaker thought the bunny study was useless and that fat wasn't an issue for humans because they would be meant for a different diet, but right away the narrator starts talking to us about studies made on animals that aren't vegetarian. I didn't have time to process what was said a second ago and now you're bombarding me with a bunch of new stuff I don't know what is relevant to. To maximize clarity this is a tip from old school rhetoricians: tell us what you're going to say, then say what you have to say, then tell us what you have just said.
So rare to see someone do seriously solid debunking and still be a true gentleman, and a wonderful person at heart too! Bravo for showing us how to handle bad science!
After 10 years of paleo I had to go WFPB no oil low salt to get rid of BP pills and it took me about 15 moths. Living beings do not have to know what to eat they usually eat what they can which is what they are adapted to (probably takes a lot of time). I hope that this time I got the right way of eating. I read a lot from Denise in the early days of my paleo period.
Same exact thing here. Was grass fed paleo for for over 8 years. Fell for Atkins in late 90s and then was huge fan of Mark Sisson. At the end I had so many problems it was getting scary (gout, kidney stones, arterial plaque, Low-T, BP around 175, ridiculous constipation, etc). . The human body is very resilient seems like it can go quite smoothly with incorrect eating before things finally start to implode. 12 years later now and my best advice is to ignore that crap completely and fully 100% EMBRACE whole starches. Since they cook very easily in a rice cooker I eat lentils with a little rice mixed in every day. I gorge myself on cooked plaintains, oatmeal, baked potatoes and eat no fat during the day (half an avocado as a final snack of the day). Use cronometer for a few days just to get your levels. I eat 1 carrot per day for vitamin A and I happen to like nutritional yeast so I eat 2 tbsp per day of that (which happens to provide all the B vitamins... including B12, so I don't supplement any of that). Doing this, the only thing I do supplement is small amounts of calcium and magnesium, which were lacking in my meat diet also.
@@terryjackson9395 Great post you made. I have avoided manufactured food for decades which basically puts me on a sloppy Atkins or Keto diet only by coincidence. I watched 2 friends loose massive weight and get rid of Diabetes meds on strict Keto. But those friends came off a diet of eating refined everything. I like your concept of 100% whole starches because I always considered those good foods. What I did learn from Nina Teicholz is the toxicity of having constant insulin in our blood stream and the influence of the manufactured seed seed oil companies on our diets. The poisons are the seed oils, sugars and politicians. I might also add that sitting on ones ass in front of a computer or TV is a "poison" too. I am strict Keto right now to meet some goals but will work "Whole Starches" back into my diet and reduce the amount meat protein. People get stupidly polarized about diets and miss the bigger picture. The only thing that does not deserve consideration are refined foods and sugars.
@Espian Mashias because human beings are easily brainwashed.ancel keys before he died finally admitted the saturated fats and cholesterol do not cause heart disease and admitted he was wrong
The low-carb debunking of Ancel Keys has already been debunked. See the 2017 whitepaper: "Ancel Keys and the Seven Countries Study: An Evidence-based Response to Revisionist Histories" .
As a former Mormon who grew up in Mormon communities, I can tell you that as a culture, they almost entirely ignore the passages against meat. The typical Mormon diet is the typical American diet.
@@PlantChompers Utah, Idaho, and Colorado. When I was a teenager in Idaho and Utah, my family and neighbors treated me like a pariah for eating a vegetarian diet.
I just moved to Utah last year; I'm not officially a member, but I go to church and activities in multiple different wards. I am the only vegetarian that I know of, and it's sad when everyone talks of committing to being healthy but their diets lack.
I live in Utah and work in cardiac rehab. I can tell you that most of my patients are Mormon and most eat the standard American diet. Lots of sugary soda too. Fiz and Swig are very popular franchises here. Funeral potatoes full of cheese and fry sauce are very popular. They even add sour cream to guacamole 🥑 to make it “creamy”.
No, it isn't. The hamburger and pizza are used mostly by men, esp. college kids, but chicken, smoothies and salads were almost the sum of what girls eat.
Interesting to hear people making a case for plant-based by slamming the meat-based community. I'm not bias, I just pay attention to the science 1st, then evaluate through my experience. I can say doing - no-carb - high protein - high fat for 1 month has lead to a fundamental and profound change in both energy and clarity of thinking that I've never experienced before. Can't argue with ketones! - by far a superior fuel source over carb /glucose energy.
Eastern Orthodox fast from various animal products as well as oil, 240 days per year, including every Weds and Friday. She is obviously unaware of this.
All the experiments on animals really makes me sad, we need to stop torturing them : what the hell is the point of feeding rabbits meat?? It this necessary…
As a thinking person with no lobbying group to support me I'll make a comment. I was pre-diabetic, fatty liver, high cholesterol, etc at 47'. I went Keto-Mediterranean-Paleo based on the idea that it would have to be natural, and not the marketed scam products. Also, I did not go extreme with meat, vegetables, or fat. I simply adjusted my diet in a few particular ways. 1. No FAKE FOODS: Never buy food that is processed (can/bag/box, plastic), because they add in preservatives (mostly sugar and other chemicals) this includes ALL forms of grocery store bread(s). Imagine what preservatives do to bacteria, now think of your gut. 2. Eat only home cooked meals - ORGANIC WHEN AFFORDABLE - seasoned to taste. 3. No Sugar, except what is naturally occurring in nature. 4. Natural Organic Grains sparingly (virtually none) Vegetables have fiber and carbs. 5. Vegetables and fruits with low sugar; no root veggies (potatoes), no bananas etc.. 6. Protein in moderation; and in non processed forms. 7. Natural Fats only, no processed fats (which would be seed or vegetable oils, fake butter). 8. Drink enough healthy water, purified, filtered, spring, etc.. minimal caffeine. 9. Moderate exercise; yoga, walking, swimming, Pilates. 10. Fast - if done right it is very good for you. 11. When visiting friends/family or celebrating eat drink be merry (with moderation). CONCLUSION: I listened to both sides. You both have things right. So I did what worked. I got healthy, and saved $$$.$$. After a year my doctor said I had the heart of a 25 year old and my blood work was perfect on ALL markers. Even the evidence of my Hepatitis A was gone. But Carnivores and Vegans are bad when it comes to actually being helpful instead of proving how right they are. Sounds like two political parties I've heard of.
@@israelsolis1706 Bacon & 1 Egg mixed with greens and other veggies usually around 2pm. If I snack it's usually dried fruit and nuts. Dinner (before 8pm) is about 3 to 5 oz. of meat with more veggies or I'll make a smoothie. I try to incorporate enough fats (max 4 oz. lard, butter, coconut, or olive oil) into the day. Seasoned everything to taste. Coffee in the morning, water throughout the day. No sugars or starchy vegetables or grains. I also consider alcohol carbs so not much of that. At birthday parties or special events the rules go out the door, but I keep things in moderation. I also take vitamins sometimes but no more than 1 or two days thorough the week. I fast one day a week minimal, but do 3 days in a row every now and again. Next year I'm going to try two 7 day fast in the year. Yoga, Pilates, walking, Weights a couple of times a week. I wish I could still play sports but I dislocated my shoulder last year playing tennis. So working on maybe running again. My daughter and sons are teaching me to freeze fresh veggies and to pickle ferment things for salads and snacks. I'm also teaching myself how to make bread without grains/sugar. I limit my grocery budget to $200.00 a month so buying frozen and not fresh was a quick fix. The nutrition from fresh organic veggies was out of the question till they showed me how to preserve them. I've gotten my prep time for the month down to one day where I just take care of the food (grocery list/shopping/cooking etc.). Then auto pilot the rest of the month.
@@simplekindofman6265 I glad you found what works for you. I think you game changer is leaving out the processed foods. They led me to the operating table and a heart bypass. Im doing well now and I adopted a similar mentality and diet for about 5 years after my operation. Last year I dropped the meat and diary....I felt I didn't need it or was it critical to have in my diet and I was also in a space to do it. Having said that, I would have been confident that I wouldn't have ruined my health either if I continued on to eat meat in the moderate amounts that you do. I like that you work on your mind and body too with yoga, cardio and weights. Its another key component in healthy living that a high volume of people don't participate in. You also made a wise move not going back to tennis. If you are over 40, you have to pick your activity wisely......some activies are more injurious than others and injury can set us back. Keep up the good work.
The Meat and Keto people are a Joke I’ve been WFPB for 38 year’s I can’t keep a regular family Physician cause I’m out living them I’m 55 years old now
To be fair, Minger did - many years later - go on to defend Ancel Keys work and conceded that the trend regarding saturated fat and heart disease has merit. She’s even done favourable reviews of a certain plant based doctor’s book. Naturally, something changed for her after the Paleo/Low Carb hype of 2010 died down.
She probably started having health problems and (as happened to me) maybe got tired of sitting on the toilet straining for hours. She went from raw vegan to being a meat enthusiast. I've been vegan for 12 years now and trying to do all-raw is a very bad idea (imo).
@@terryjackson9395 in my case I recover myself from very bad health and extremely low weight for my frame doing almost 100% raw high fruit and greens diet. The problem is the cost of such a diet (for a constant supply of quality greens and fruits in enough variety an quantity), and that is lacking enough proteins in the long run. Also you start to desire more variety, as starches and legumes. But I tracked all my daily food in chronometer, and all was fine. Except D and B12 of course.
I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis 8 years ago, and went Plant Based 6 years ago after extensive research. I've never taken any MS medication, and I haven't had an episode in over 5 years. I found Veganism for my health. Then I discovered the atrocities that animal agriculture is doing to the environment and, of course, the animals. I only wish I'd done it sooner. You don't have to be 100% vegan to be healthy, or help save the planet, but ever little bit counts. ❤
That's so inspiring. I've heard of a few people with MS managing to live longer healthier lives by going WFPB. I wish I knew about it sooner, I lost an uncle to MS. ❤
@@DimaRakesah I'm so sorry. I've heard horror stories. 😔 My old boys loss his wife to MS and she was only in her 50's. Statistically most people live a relatively average life span, but are in a wheel chair by 40. I was determined to not end up like that. Thank you for your support! ❤
It's funny, Bodi has never been exposed to any food on that pyramid (except broccoli, which he ignores like most people), but while I was making the pyramid it had his intense attention 100%.
But after Ansel Keys 6 and 7 country studies in the USA around the late 70’s obesity suddenly raced awayover the next 5 decades. America got fat. That wasn’t saturated fat.
She's not a nutritionist She's an investigative journalist who has exposed the bad science of the Low Fat Hypothesis that's killing the American public if not many other countries. Diabetes is an epidemic in China, India, Indonesia and U.S. Ever since low fat diets were promulgated.
@@enny7617 she was a vegetarian eating tons of MnMs and wondering why she got fat and miserable. That's not very smart or she just found a new business by spreading false information about how great saturated fats are. She is quite lonely there as there is not one single study, proof or other source for her toxic "fat is great" statements other than her fabricated and fragmented presentations.
Angel Keys cherry picked the 7 countries. If you use all the countries he studied there is no significant difference in the results. In other words he cheated.
Have seen so many issues with my vegan/vegetarian clients especially with mood disorders. Nina is on point. and I've seen success with clients eating meat instead and not sure what your credentials are either.
I tried both carnivore and wfpb vegan. My health deteriorated w carnivore and improved w vegan, I'm a very healthy 67, suggestions of 🔝fat, meat diets are dangerous and foolish 😳
What do you say about CAC scores? So many low carbers who eat high sat fat take the CAC test (calcium in the arteries) and get a low score. My sister did and she has a long history of high blood pressure and high cholesterol. They say this proves their arteries are clear. They eat a lot of vegetables so maybe the anti oxidants prevent artery damage?
I think calcium in the arteries are interesting, indicating inflammation sometime in the past. But generally hard plaques are stable and not dangerous, but hard to reverse. It's the soft plaques that are dangerous and the cat scan does not pick them up. There is a relatively new test that I am going to take that does a good job of mapping soft plaques but it's $2,000 and only available in some metro areas. Those are the ones so correlated with high LDL values in the blood.
I love your videos and watch them regularly. If you have time and patience, go outside from the United States and visit a country where western diet is not common or zero. You will find the truth and fact. In some countries people even don’t know what carb, protein and fats are and they eat whatever is sold in local markets. They don’t drink coke and Pepsi four times a day nor they start their morning with redbull and rock star so called energy drinks. They don’t add sugar in every meal. They don’t know what Subway, McDonald’s, Burger King and Pizza shops are. Let me explain how they eat, They drink a few cups of green tea with a little sugar and a few eggs or whatever left from last night. There is no chips, cookies and beverages to snack and at noon time they have vegetables, legumes and meat. They cook them at home and same story for dinner. They are healthy and don’t have most of the current western diseases. In my personal opinion, we need to go back to natural foods and avoid processed foods. The key element for today’s problems is only processed food.
I'm not surprised. Interstitial cystitis is another condition affected by acidity, and mine completely went away when I ditched animal products. Not even doing a wfpb diet, just normal vegan.
Very interesting. A little hard to follow. You blast through very quickly. That's what Nina does. You definitely shine a light on Nina's work. I'll have to look into that more closely. The biggest problem with the food pyramid is how it has encouraged obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes. The ADA guidelines for diabetics have been a huge failure. Work by groups like Virta health have proven the efficacy of keto and LCHF diets to reverse diabetes. Can you comment on that?
Could reference any study on lchf diets reversing, not controlling, diabetes? I myself know some anecdotal cases of people reversing diabetes but on vegetarian diet, only cutting carbs at the beginning.
@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 so, I've done a lot more reading and watching and I believe Nina is right on target with her criticism of Keys and the USDA guidelines. It's outright fraud. We're going LCHF and I don't see any way to do that on a vegan diet.
@@debbiecote3993 it is no necessary at all to do low carb, I was extremely ill on a low carb diet and recover my health on a high carb ew vegan diet, Wich it isn't appropriate on the long term, however I was on average 90% raw, with a lot of green smoothies. A low carb diet is a Russian roulette.
@@debbiecote3993 would you kindly share with me what you watched and read? I've on LCHF for about 6 months and I need all the encouragement I can get. And as much science as possible
“Whole” foods is just a buzzword, it means nothing, totally vague like another bogus term, the “balanced” diet. Sounds good. Better get yourself a good life insurance policy.
@@Photologistic “Whole food” is not just a buzzword it means not processed, or minimally processed as in cooked. You know, you don’t have to play dumb.
@@PlantChompers sorry mate but there is not such thing as 99% Vegan, when ethics and morals brought out in to play!!! Great video, but we and the animals suffering low-miserable lives and same deaths, need you 100% Vegan 🌱🖖
@@VeganO_MexicanO Correct, he is not vegan but his diet is plant based, since 99% of his calories come from that source. I would refrain from criticizing him, as his eating plan causes far less damage to the planet than most other diets
14% seed oils & 30 minutes of no data just hard slams and snippets. Talk about seed oils more, maybe apply some snippets and captions to how all seed oils effect the human body.
Oh my goodness! Chris, this one is truly your best video ever. I just finished my 3rd viewing. I can't wait to see the interviews you mentioned that will follow from this. Yes, you had me at Marion Nestle. Also, this is definitely not too long! Not too funny! I'm sure your audience includes all kinds of people including more than a few like me who have patience & time & some nerdy curiosity. I admit, I'm old'ish & retired. Thanks!
Thanks Kate! It's funny, before I publish I fret over the length and toss clips overboard, and after I publish I think, argh, I should have left that clip in.
this was my first video from this presenter and if this is his best i wont be watching any more . it made me rewatch nina teicholz who presents more science and logic than this guy. dr penny has more credibility.
If it's any consolation, my wife makes sure the neighbors get the food because (a) she hates waste and (b) our neighbors love it because it's their everyday diet. 😋 They think we're total wackadoodles because they are healthy and slender in their 70s and don't deprive themselves of pizza and burgers. 🤷
I see that you took the countries off the charts so we couldn't see what the hell you were talking about. There's no point in showing us a page of dots.
As a Mormon I invited a friend to attend a meeting of the women's auxiliary. The lesson presented and the comments made could not have been more perfect and I felt that my friend would be favorably impressed. Sadly, her only comment on the experience: I have never been in a room with so many overweight women in my life!💔
Love these videos. Who can take a somewhat dry info and make them interest using humor. After trying keto for over a year and being diagnosed with Leukemia, I went back to my Whole Food Plant Based diet and now use my 100% coconut oil MCT oil for my herbal hair oil infusion. 😁
Note that the USDA quietly reversed the guidelines on dietary cholesterol. There’s no longer a limit in place. This is a well-put together video, but the author would be wise to include this.
i've lost 65 pounds on a clean keto diet, from 260+ down to 197. my total cholesterol is at a 125, blood glucose at 4.6. i've never felt healthier or better in my life. take it as you will.
fantastic presentation, I myself fallow my gut, and I feel amazing eating red meat and eggs as well as fish. But I still love my rice and beans, I think its quite simple. don't over eat in calories, have a healthy BMI and eat whole foods. it always comes back around,
I don't understand Denise Mingers statement about preference for low fat. Surely that means replacing fat with carbohydrate as a macro-nutrient. That means eating three times the weight of carbs compared with fat because fat gas almost three times the calories gram per gram compared with fat. If huge numbers of people gave diabetes or pre- diabetes, how can it make sense to stuff sick people with carbohydrates which is shown to be the cause of metabolic syndrome, of which diabetes is an outcome? Or is there good evidence to the contrary?
That was an Easter egg for anyone who made it that far! I had been emailing Henry 3-4 times a day for a couple weeks to ask questions like "what German papers is Nina referencing?" (His reply: "I never figured that out. Ancel only published one paper in German, and that was back in his high altitude physiology days. The paper he published in Voeding wasn't German and it had English annotations.") Anyway, one day he didn't answer me until late and he included that pic in his email, saying he had been out on the lake in his boat with family. I wrote back and cracked "maybe that Mediterranean diet thing actually works!"
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I loved your video. But I think you both are right, and I think you both are wrong. You do agree on something. Industrial food sucks. Maybe you could work together and stop treating each other like lepers.
Do you think Dr Penny has seen the video from Dr. Chris Knobbe Diseases of Civilization?
Absolute lunacy. It’s amazing to me that anyone still believes in Charlatans like Ancel Keys (who famously CHERRY PICKED his data) or the fringe religious groups and their insane religious beliefs, over the clear scientific evidence and common sense of thousands of years of tradition. The heart disease issues of the early 20th century were clearly caused by the bizarre acceptance of fake fats from industrial WASTE products-seed oils pressed in a factory and bleached to look like animal fats. And to top it off, your insane beliefs helped kill Steve Jobs. What a nutcase.
I was a vegan for 6 months and it nearly killed me. I did it for health and to save animals. I wish I had known about carnivore before going vegan. I am witness to living a good health from doing standard, vegan, keto and best diet ever which is the carnivore diet. No meds. At all. Been doing it now for 20 years. I just heard about Nina today and have to say she is absolutely correct.
Thank you for sharing. We need to continue to explore and learn more about nutrition and health. 7 years vegan, lost my health.mental and physical. Nutrition is complex...It is crazy but going carnivore has healed me fully.
I share your sentiments exactly. Vegan destroyed my health. Meat based with raw dairy and fruits have me looking and feeling great, including hair and muscle tissue growth.
@@Cyberbronco right? i am so shocked that all i believed to be true on food is actually wrong. for years i had bread, pasta and veggies....!!!! what happened to you?
@@sevbuyse I started with a Macrobiotic diet and then went more mainstream vegetarian: fruits, nuts vegetables, no refined flour or sugar. My skin almost fell off. I developed allergies to everything. After years of visiting doctors I detoxed with nothing but red meat and slowly reintroduced fruits to my diet. My body looks more muscular and healthy than ever before in my life. I hardly recognize myself in the mirror. Sometimes I stare :)
@@Cyberbronco nice! watch the fruit, fructose is not only a sugar but a bad sugar.
BS
no fire hydrant needed. I'm sticking with Nina's research. HFLC makes so much sense and it works.
Nina's "research"?
Have Nina show a photo of her heart arteries now so you can see the amount of blockage in 20 years. Thank you for your keto experiment and sacrifice. Because that's the only research Nina is doing on keto.
I agree. I stick with beer and pizza, it works for me.
@@campyc40 translated: "I'm sticking with Nina because she says what I want to hear - screw the research"
Haha, love all the delusional vegan replies =)
For heaven's sake - do your research. Nina Teicholz's experience and research makes her a trusted resource - this isn't about the on-going "battle" between vegans and those who include meat protein in their chosen way of eating - it's about getting the BEST nutrition and health for your body. People are free to choose whatever lifestyle they want that makes them feel their best. I have poured literally thousands of hours into research and for me, I chose Keto and transitioned into more of a Carnivore way of eating. ALL of my health markers have vastly improved over the last year. I am 66 y.o, - along the way, my way of eating has completely reversed T2 Diabetes, high blood pressure, psoriasis, skin, tons of energy, clear thinking and lost 70 lbs. I feel better than I have in 20 years. Everyone is different - choose what works for you, and let others do the same.
oh my. we've struck a nerve......
No she’s not a trusted resource and a carnivore diet is not something any responsible person would give a general recommendation to
I agree. Tina has done the research!
I love your comment and do agree that we still know little about nutrition, but respectfully, your experience is anecdotal and we must as a species both follow the scientific data, challenge and improve on it where possible and continue to do more of it. Glad your health has improved as a result of your changes, that’s wonderful!
@l21n1 you know nothing look at Kelly hogan she's been a carnivore for 14 years and is extremely healthy and no heart disease
The New York Times has an article which tells of a Harvard study done back in the 50s or 60s condemning saturated fats which was paid for by the Sugar Industry which essentially blamed high cholesterol on fats instead of the real culprit sugar. Studies like that along with Ancel Keys's misinformation (7 countries study) led to the low fat hypothesis which for the last 60 years has caused Type 2 diabetes to reach epic proportions in this country and around the world. Have you noticed the obesity problem? Just look around you. It's sugar not fats. The average American eats 150lbs of sugar a year. Back in the early 1800s it was 2lbs. We've got diseases now that were unheard of before the low fat craze.
So in the last 60 years no studies were done into fat and sugar? The science is clear. High fat and high sugar are both unhealthy. Whole carbs and fiber make the difference.
@@risdamzuid No link between dietary saturated fat with controlled clinical studies in humans.
100% correct
That food pyramid killed me, hysterical!
Hahaha, I'm glad to hear you say this because I almost cut it at the last minute as I fretted over the length of this episode. I cut several humorous clips if they didn't make a crucial point. 🤔
Yeah, when he started applying the whipped cream, I died :)
I just wanted to squeeze that unnatural mound through my fingers and then throw it against the wall!! 😡 What chemical trash most of us ( in the long past - hopefully ) have put into our bodies. 🤢
that lonely 🥦
As a keto "survivor", I believed all of this bogus research. However, it almost killed me -wrecked my gut, gallstones, high blood pressure & cholesterol, fatty liver, and heart issues. After a week stay in the hospital, I went Vegan. 7 months later, I had a clean CT scan!
I'm vegan but I hardly believe this. Just like these keto people who claim they almost died on a plant based diet and cured everything going keto.
@@Yourhighnessnona It's hardly surprising given keto is high in saturated fat and has none of the benefits of whole food plants. People aren't dying or on medication because they ate too many whole food plants. WFPB reversed my T2 diabetes and every quarter my bloodwork comes back clean with great numbers in comparison to when I did keto.
@@Yourhighnessnona All the things that OP listed are linked with high meat diets. If you don't believe it, then you haven't read the scientific studies.
Exactly the same for me. I was one of the idiots believing the keto hype many years ago. After 2,5 years, I got many many health deteriorations. Ending up in hospital the doctors told me to immediately stop the keto crap and go Mediterranean and drastically reduce animal products. This saved my life. Keto and animal products turned a healthy man into a sick patient. Going plant based saved him again.
You can be vegan and still accomplish a ketogenic diet btw. Also, the correct way to do a ketogenic diet is plant based with moderate protein. People get too wrapped up with macros etc. I think vegans believe a ketogenic diet is just bacon, butter and ribeyes haha. When you cutout the bullshit ie the processed carbs and industrial seed oils in either a vegan diet or keto diet you will thrive. You genetic makeup and gut biodiversity will guide you to what diet feels best.
Debunked? I don’t think so. Thank you Nina for saving my life
There are people whose lives have been saved by adopting a keto diet. Wish you tubers wouldn't spend time bad mouthing something that truly helps others.
Right. Your anecdote should public policy.
"Thank you *generic public personality/pastor/sect leader* for saving my life!"
- Person who has been manipulated and refuses to elaborate.
"Is Nina Teicholz right about saturated fat" - YES
"is she a lobbyist for the meat industry" - NO
Is this channel a lobbyist for the big food, big pharma and big fertilizers industries? - YES!
Spot on mate
9:56 Denise Minger now personally eats a low fat whole food plant based diet with some meat/fish? 😂 … I can’t… bros… ahh.. 🤣🤣
Had someone challenged me 2-3 years ago, I would have eaten that in under an hour.
Now, make a Junk Vegan version of that, and MAYBE I'll try a piece... For science.
(Love your content, your Cholesterol Confusion video on Ken Berry those years ago gave me the kick to become 100% WFPB.)
While hilarious, it was unnecessary to give money to these horrible industries. A pizza with dairy cheese and pepperoni? as well as cheese burger from mc donalds. This supports the most horrific industries on our planet for a 5 second bit. Could've used stock footage.
@@gallectee6032 valid point sir. I edited my comment to reflect a much more interesting part of this video.
I know, right?
Unscrupulous Minger changed a few words to avoid the WFPB branding cooties.
Low carbs down under. Great organization. No conflicts of interest. Science, not anecdotes.
you mean that honestly i hope.. theyre great
That;s a truly crazy claim. They seem to push the beliefs of cranks and charlatans while trying to explain away the actual scientific evidence by alleging weird global conspiracies. it's a movement based on. to put it kindly, falsehoods ... some of which are detailed in this video above.
People prefer to believe what they prefer to be true…Mark Twain
Not really. I would prefer to believe that eating animals is good for you, and doesn’t cause animal suffering. I love the taste of Buffalo wings, fried chicken and a good steak. But the truth is these foods made me sick and feel old and tired.
What I prefer to believe differs from reality. Eating fruits and veggies makes me feel energized. Facts, not beliefs.
Mark Twain (his real name was Samuel Clemens) was a better thinker than most people today, and he wasn't a vegetarian. I think those factors are closely correlated.
I am a bit puzzled as to why you glossed over the iniut carnivores and did not mention the ability ketogenic diet to reverse type 2 diabetes.
Everything else seemed fair enough.
THANK YOU for adding this comment - I reversed my T2 Diabetes following first a well formulated Ketogenic diet, then transitioning to Carnivore, which has enabled me to never be hungry, and yet maintain my exact weight (for maintenance) for the last few months.
cause he's a clown with an agenda
I wouldn't say that the Inuits are carnivores. Growing up on the traditional Alaska Native Inupiaq diet comprised mostly of wild game, fish, berries, roots, greens, tubers, and plants I would consider them more or less omnivores. They suffer from a lot of heart disease and diabetes when switching to the American diet, which I why I switched to WFPB last month.
Inuits literally have one of the highest incidence of atherosclerosis. Even 4000 years old inuit mummies show terrible cases of atherosclerosis.
The funniest thing is how these ilk seem to think that Americans actually followed the dietary guidelines. The populace never has, at any point. Most Americans' concept of a "healthy low fat diet" even during the height of the low fat craze was "low fat" yogurt, "low fat" cottage cheese, and skinless chicken. What regular Jane/Joe American do you ever knew who followed the real guidelines of whole, unprocessed grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables making up the bulk of the plate?
I admire the Canadian food guide but I notice they say they are in fourth place among the Canadian public when it comes to influence. Friends, social media, and books are ahead of them.
Right? Like here we are debunking the food pyramids but really it's mainly sugar and fat that we're eating as a population.
Except that the researchers used actual cash register receipts - if you paid for it, most likely you're going to eat what you bought. Meat, 1 green vegetable and a starch formed the majority of meals. Sandwiches, with lettuce, tomato, onion were also popular.
I was a child of the 50’s and a parent in the 70’s in the Midwest. Very few people paid much attention to the food pyramid.
Well if you watched Nina's talk instead of just listening to this guy cherry pick arguments against her, you'd see she presents evidence that people did follow the dietary guidelines. Extremely well.
I really really tried to listen.. But I couldn't take it longer than ten minutes. This gentleman is preaching a religion for his believers, and that's fine. Don't think there's a lot of research behind it.. Nina researched the hell out of it, and for some her message hurts. Do your own research, and don't follow blindly..
Probably a whole food, plant based diet is fine, but in the end you may miss a lot of nutrients, vitamins and minerals (the right, complete mix of amino acids, B12, K2, D3, Zinc, Iodine). Nutrient density is much lower in a vegan or even vegetarian diet than in omnivore or carnivore.
When you women want to become pregnant, take at least B12 and Iodine as a supplement, your child will benefit from it. Again, also search outside your bubble... 🔦
Cholesterol levels mean nothing. Examples:
1: chimpanzees in captivity are fed a 100% vegetarian diets (unlike their natural diet) and yet their cholesterol levels are significantly higher than ours yet they do not develop clogged arteries.
2. The Japanese have a slighter higher average cholesterol levels than Americans, yes suffer much less CVD.
3. The lower your cholesterol level, the sooner you die of all causes.
4. All the 3 things above are irrefutable facts.
Cholesterol is extremely highly regulated in our body like blood sugar, but unlike blood sugar, you can’t eat too much cholesterol, because it would be too much for your stomach too. It’s too much foods if you are ti overeat cholesterol.
dumb message primates do not eat meat outside of rare documented cases. No one asks a gorilla where they get their protein. Eating dead things leads to premature death. Animal consumption is and has been the leading cause of disease and pandemics for hundreds of years as much as people want to deny the facts! DUH! Fruit has enough protein to sustain humans
Wow! When a youtube is better researched than the books. Epic takedown.
Ancel Keys is responsible for the death of millions.
Fuck Ancel Keys. The reason heart disease declined was smoking cessation, and cleaner air in factories and outdoors. Had nothing to do with trading meat for pasta.
@@rubygreta1 Bla bla bla , Ancel Keys ,etc .
@@FreshGreenMoss A legend in his own mind.
And what is wrong with cholesterol? We've been eating meat since the beginning of time.
If you want to make pigs fat feed them bread... same thing happens to humans.... Every single vegan I have ever know always turns to meat eventually...
I was 5 years vegan till i realised just how ill i was been carnivore 2 months regaining my health.
I would love to see a vegan/prepper crossover episode. It seems to me that prepper people are all saving crisco and ultra processed high sodium foods and canned meats along with their beans and white rice. What’s the point of surviving the end of the world if your just going to kill yourself with spam and KD?
I have been thinking about how to prep as a vegan.
B12 is the elusive missing piece that keeps bothering me
@@jys365 Can't we just add bottles of liquid b12 to our stash? I guess I'm thinking about shorter-term prepping rather than the apocalypse
@@ChristiePriem Yes, short term, supplements could work. Though they usually expire within a few years.
There are potential alternatives such as Chlorella, Duckweed, Seaweed and fermented foods.
But they would need to be scientifically tested.
@@jys365 you could prep supplements of B12, prep B12 fortified food and Nutritional Yeast. Lots of great freeze dried vegan options can be found at backpacking stores and don’t forget that you can also buy freeze dried #10 cans of vegetables, fruits, grains etc.
@@jys365 it’s nutritionally inadequate, obviously.
I'm with Dr N, at this point we know what a healthy human diet looks like; but the people casting doubt have $ to keep us buying the lies. No one's getting rich selling sweet potatoes..
John Buscher
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Sorry I have to disagree as I am living proof you are wrong. I had dangerously high BP/ high cholesterol and a fatty liver and was clinically obese. I have lost 63lbs. in 6 months doing a loose keto diet (10% whole grains/carbs/30% meats and 60% plants) + intermittent fasting (restricted eating 16/8) and only cooked in sat fats (butter/lard/olive oil) and eggs were a regular staple. I also had moderate daily (30 min.) exercise daily,. I had a full blood workup done 5 days ago and my cholesterol is good, BP is normal (yay off BP meds!) and fatty liver is gone. My GP is dumbfounded because what I was doing went against prevailing medical advise. I didn't watch UA-camrs and just blindly follow their advice and I went out and read research. (I am a researcher by trade) The PROBLEM with Ancel Keys was that his study had a lot of statistical problems in it and could not show causation only correlation. I say the same about Teicholz's graph showing the correlation between the rise of vegetable oils and obesity, it does not show causality. The bottom line is we need better scientific studies on the effects of diet on health. I will leave you with this simple thought, our bodies did not evolved to eat as many refined/simple carbs and refined vegetable oils as we do today. Our ancestors most likely ate lots of veggies, eggs, meat, and some fruits when in season and primarily animal/fish (saturated/monosaturated) fats.
These videos have tons of potential, but I have a hard time holding on to the string of reasoning, and sometimes I don't know where we're at. I was wondering why and I think I just found out: the narrator proceeds to rebuke certain arguments before their content was properly laid out for us and made clear. For example, he says that there is so much misinformation about arteries being clogged because of fat, then he puts up a clip of some guy talking about the arteries of bunnies getting clogged, we have no idea where he's coming from until the very last sentence when he says "but they're vegetarians", then we barely have a second to link the dots and figure out that that speaker thought the bunny study was useless and that fat wasn't an issue for humans because they would be meant for a different diet, but right away the narrator starts talking to us about studies made on animals that aren't vegetarian. I didn't have time to process what was said a second ago and now you're bombarding me with a bunch of new stuff I don't know what is relevant to.
To maximize clarity this is a tip from old school rhetoricians: tell us what you're going to say, then say what you have to say, then tell us what you have just said.
Thanks Jean-christophe, good feedback, duly noted. That edit with the bunny artery doctor wasn't great, I can see that now.
So rare to see someone do seriously solid debunking and still be a true gentleman, and a wonderful person at heart too! Bravo for showing us how to handle bad science!
Nina is 100% correct, throughly researched.
A video this full of sarcasm and 'ad hominem' insults can never be brilliant.
It’s👹👹👹🖤
After 10 years of paleo I had to go WFPB no oil low salt to get rid of BP pills and it took me about 15 moths. Living beings do not have to know what to eat they usually eat what they can which is what they are adapted to (probably takes a lot of time). I hope that this time I got the right way of eating. I read a lot from Denise in the early days of my paleo period.
Glad you were able to get off those meds. Must have been great to no longer worry about those!
Same exact thing here. Was grass fed paleo for for over 8 years. Fell for Atkins in late 90s and then was huge fan of Mark Sisson. At the end I had so many problems it was getting scary (gout, kidney stones, arterial plaque, Low-T, BP around 175, ridiculous constipation, etc). . The human body is very resilient seems like it can go quite smoothly with incorrect eating before things finally start to implode. 12 years later now and my best advice is to ignore that crap completely and fully 100% EMBRACE whole starches. Since they cook very easily in a rice cooker I eat lentils with a little rice mixed in every day. I gorge myself on cooked plaintains, oatmeal, baked potatoes and eat no fat during the day (half an avocado as a final snack of the day). Use cronometer for a few days just to get your levels. I eat 1 carrot per day for vitamin A and I happen to like nutritional yeast so I eat 2 tbsp per day of that (which happens to provide all the B vitamins... including B12, so I don't supplement any of that).
Doing this, the only thing I do supplement is small amounts of calcium and magnesium, which were lacking in my meat diet also.
How is it going?
@@terryjackson9395 Great post you made. I have avoided manufactured food for decades which basically puts me on a sloppy Atkins or Keto diet only by coincidence. I watched 2 friends loose massive weight and get rid of Diabetes meds on strict Keto. But those friends came off a diet of eating refined everything. I like your concept of 100% whole starches because I always considered those good foods. What I did learn from Nina Teicholz is the toxicity of having constant insulin in our blood stream and the influence of the manufactured seed seed oil companies on our diets. The poisons are the seed oils, sugars and politicians. I might also add that sitting on ones ass in front of a computer or TV is a "poison" too. I am strict Keto right now to meet some goals but will work "Whole Starches" back into my diet and reduce the amount meat protein. People get stupidly polarized about diets and miss the bigger picture. The only thing that does not deserve consideration are refined foods and sugars.
@@terryjackson9395 Hi, I’m curious if you’re still eating this and if it works for you still?
Your video is the second listed if searching her. Is some lie about you second on her search. I’m down 65 pounds and off 7 medications doing her way.
Ancel has been debunked.
Yes he has. I can’t believe people see him as a hero.😱😱😱
@Espian Mashias because human beings are easily brainwashed.ancel keys before he died finally admitted the saturated fats and cholesterol do not cause heart disease and admitted he was wrong
The low-carb debunking of Ancel Keys has already been debunked. See the 2017 whitepaper: "Ancel Keys and the Seven Countries Study: An Evidence-based Response to Revisionist Histories"
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As a former Mormon who grew up in Mormon communities, I can tell you that as a culture, they almost entirely ignore the passages against meat. The typical Mormon diet is the typical American diet.
Huh. I live in Silicon Valley and my daughter is in Oregon, and a lot of us are vegans and vegetarians. Are you referring to Utah?
@@PlantChompers Utah, Idaho, and Colorado. When I was a teenager in Idaho and Utah, my family and neighbors treated me like a pariah for eating a vegetarian diet.
Exactly!
I just moved to Utah last year; I'm not officially a member, but I go to church and activities in multiple different wards. I am the only vegetarian that I know of, and it's sad when everyone talks of committing to being healthy but their diets lack.
I live in Utah and work in cardiac rehab. I can tell you that most of my patients are Mormon and most eat the standard American diet. Lots of sugary soda too. Fiz and Swig are very popular franchises here. Funeral potatoes full of cheese and fry sauce are very popular. They even add sour cream to guacamole 🥑 to make it “creamy”.
One of the most witty videos I've watched in recent years. Got me hooked!
Keto and intermittent fasting is the way
That food pyramid you constructed was EPIC and TRUE!!🤣
No, it isn't. The hamburger and pizza are used mostly by men, esp. college kids, but chicken, smoothies and salads were almost the sum of what girls eat.
@@kayallen7603 no I know mainly adults on this diet - I am actually an exception in my entourage, though I ll have a vegan pizza now and again
Interesting to hear people making a case for plant-based by slamming the meat-based community.
I'm not bias, I just pay attention to the science 1st, then evaluate through my experience.
I can say doing - no-carb - high protein - high fat for 1 month has lead to a fundamental and profound change in both energy and clarity of thinking that I've never experienced before.
Can't argue with ketones! - by far a superior fuel source over carb /glucose energy.
Eastern Orthodox fast from various animal products as well as oil, 240 days per year, including every Weds and Friday. She is obviously unaware of this.
This was sloppy work. Just a bunch of ad hominem attack on Nina
All the experiments on animals really makes me sad, we need to stop torturing them : what the hell is the point of feeding rabbits meat?? It this necessary…
have you got any idea of how animals live and die in the wild? practically every single animal dies a horrible death in the wild.
Vegans are so easily triggered have a steak calm down
Ignore all the science. Obesity is the American way! Keep doing the same thing
As a thinking person with no lobbying group to support me I'll make a comment.
I was pre-diabetic, fatty liver, high cholesterol, etc at 47'.
I went Keto-Mediterranean-Paleo based on the idea that it would have to be natural, and not the marketed scam products. Also, I did not go extreme with meat, vegetables, or fat. I simply adjusted my diet in a few particular ways.
1. No FAKE FOODS: Never buy food that is processed (can/bag/box, plastic), because they add in preservatives (mostly sugar and other chemicals) this includes ALL forms of grocery store bread(s). Imagine what preservatives do to bacteria, now think of your gut.
2. Eat only home cooked meals - ORGANIC WHEN AFFORDABLE - seasoned to taste.
3. No Sugar, except what is naturally occurring in nature.
4. Natural Organic Grains sparingly (virtually none) Vegetables have fiber and carbs.
5. Vegetables and fruits with low sugar; no root veggies (potatoes), no bananas etc..
6. Protein in moderation; and in non processed forms.
7. Natural Fats only, no processed fats (which would be seed or vegetable oils, fake butter).
8. Drink enough healthy water, purified, filtered, spring, etc.. minimal caffeine.
9. Moderate exercise; yoga, walking, swimming, Pilates.
10. Fast - if done right it is very good for you.
11. When visiting friends/family or celebrating eat drink be merry (with moderation).
CONCLUSION: I listened to both sides. You both have things right. So I did what worked.
I got healthy, and saved $$$.$$. After a year my doctor said I had the heart of a 25 year old and my blood work was perfect on ALL markers. Even the evidence of my Hepatitis A was gone. But Carnivores and Vegans are bad when it comes to actually being helpful instead of proving how right they are. Sounds like two political parties I've heard of.
@@israelsolis1706
Bacon & 1 Egg mixed with greens and other veggies usually around 2pm.
If I snack it's usually dried fruit and nuts.
Dinner (before 8pm) is about 3 to 5 oz. of meat with more veggies or I'll make a smoothie.
I try to incorporate enough fats (max 4 oz. lard, butter, coconut, or olive oil) into the day.
Seasoned everything to taste.
Coffee in the morning, water throughout the day.
No sugars or starchy vegetables or grains. I also consider alcohol carbs so not much of that.
At birthday parties or special events the rules go out the door, but I keep things in moderation.
I also take vitamins sometimes but no more than 1 or two days thorough the week.
I fast one day a week minimal, but do 3 days in a row every now and again. Next year I'm going to try two 7 day fast in the year.
Yoga, Pilates, walking, Weights a couple of times a week. I wish I could still play sports but I dislocated my shoulder last year playing tennis. So working on maybe running again.
My daughter and sons are teaching me to freeze fresh veggies and to pickle ferment things for salads and snacks.
I'm also teaching myself how to make bread without grains/sugar.
I limit my grocery budget to $200.00 a month so buying frozen and not fresh was a quick fix. The nutrition from fresh organic veggies was out of the question till they showed me how to preserve them. I've gotten my prep time for the month down to one day where I just take care of the food (grocery list/shopping/cooking etc.). Then auto pilot the rest of the month.
@@simplekindofman6265 I glad you found what works for you. I think you game changer is leaving out the processed foods. They led me to the operating table and a heart bypass. Im doing well now and I adopted a similar mentality and diet for about 5 years after my operation. Last year I dropped the meat and diary....I felt I didn't need it or was it critical to have in my diet and I was also in a space to do it. Having said that, I would have been confident that I wouldn't have ruined my health either if I continued on to eat meat in the moderate amounts that you do.
I like that you work on your mind and body too with yoga, cardio and weights. Its another key component in healthy living that a high volume of people don't participate in. You also made a wise move not going back to tennis. If you are over 40, you have to pick your activity wisely......some activies are more injurious than others and injury can set us back. Keep up the good work.
Perfectly said! Bravo
PEACE FOR HUMANITY BEGINS ON OUR PLATE "VEGAN"
The Meat and Keto people are a Joke I’ve been WFPB for 38 year’s I can’t keep a regular family Physician cause I’m out living them I’m 55 years old now
😂😂😂 false
Challenge; starting tomorrow I’ll eat nothing but rib eyes. You eating nothing but broccoli and we’ll see who dies first.
To be fair, Minger did - many years later - go on to defend Ancel Keys work and conceded that the trend regarding saturated fat and heart disease has merit. She’s even done favourable reviews of a certain plant based doctor’s book. Naturally, something changed for her after the Paleo/Low Carb hype of 2010 died down.
She probably started having health problems and (as happened to me) maybe got tired of sitting on the toilet straining for hours.
She went from raw vegan to being a meat enthusiast. I've been vegan for 12 years now and trying to do all-raw is a very bad idea (imo).
@@terryjackson9395 in my case I recover myself from very bad health and extremely low weight for my frame doing almost 100% raw high fruit and greens diet. The problem is the cost of such a diet (for a constant supply of quality greens and fruits in enough variety an quantity), and that is lacking enough proteins in the long run. Also you start to desire more variety, as starches and legumes. But I tracked all my daily food in chronometer, and all was fine. Except D and B12 of course.
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@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 Raw/Frutarian diets are absolute nonsense, exactly like carnivore/paleo.
Your carefully picked examples do not make your case compared to many years of study that animal (saturated) fats are HEALTHY and carbs are poison.
Watch Nina Teicholz on Red Meat and the Politics of it in 2021.
I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis 8 years ago, and went Plant Based 6 years ago after extensive research. I've never taken any MS medication, and I haven't had an episode in over 5 years.
I found Veganism for my health. Then I discovered the atrocities that animal agriculture is doing to the environment and, of course, the animals. I only wish I'd done it sooner. You don't have to be 100% vegan to be healthy, or help save the planet, but ever little bit counts. ❤
That's so inspiring. I've heard of a few people with MS managing to live longer healthier lives by going WFPB. I wish I knew about it sooner, I lost an uncle to MS. ❤
@@DimaRakesah I'm so sorry. I've heard horror stories. 😔 My old boys loss his wife to MS and she was only in her 50's. Statistically most people live a relatively average life span, but are in a wheel chair by 40. I was determined to not end up like that. Thank you for your support! ❤
Sorry to hear about your Multiple Sclerosis but that is amazing and inspiring. Congratulations. 👏
Your dog when you're putting on the oreos... 😂
It's funny, Bodi has never been exposed to any food on that pyramid (except broccoli, which he ignores like most people), but while I was making the pyramid it had his intense attention 100%.
Saturated fat raises your HDL and that’s a good thing! The AHA no longer demonizes saturated fat or dietary cholesterol! Ketogenic diet saved my life!
Ancel Keys left 80% of his data on the floor because it didn't fit his personal paradigm.
Feel free to post studies showing meat extends lifespan
Do you have a reference for that? There were dozens of scientists involved in this study and they published more than any other study I'm aware of.
Feel free to show a study that proves meat shortens life. You can’t.
But after Ansel Keys 6 and 7 country studies in the USA around the late 70’s obesity suddenly raced awayover the next 5 decades. America got fat. That wasn’t saturated fat.
I absolutely love this series! It's the nicest slap in the face I've ever seen on UA-cam.
Thank you! I actually think Denise is well intentioned, she's just caught up in our science debunking times.
in your own face..
Of course she lost hair and muscle mass on a vegan raw food diet. She denied herself starches.
Citation from Teichholz: “I tried to be a vegetarian but I was hungry all the time and then ate tons of MnMs”. What a great nutritionist!
She's not a nutritionist She's an investigative journalist who has exposed the bad science of the Low Fat Hypothesis that's killing the American public if not many other countries. Diabetes is an epidemic in China, India, Indonesia and U.S. Ever since low fat diets were promulgated.
Teicholz was a vegetarian for 25 years and was against red meat before her investigation.
@@enny7617 she was a vegetarian eating tons of MnMs and wondering why she got fat and miserable. That's not very smart or she just found a new business by spreading false information about how great saturated fats are. She is quite lonely there as there is not one single study, proof or other source for her toxic "fat is great" statements other than her fabricated and fragmented presentations.
@@johnsnow5264 You know Hitler was a vegetarian right?
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Your videos are incredible! Thank you
LOL
Angel Keys cherry picked the 7 countries. If you use all the countries he studied there is no significant difference in the results. In other words he cheated.
Fabulous! Thank you for a great video. Lots of good information.
Have seen so many issues with my vegan/vegetarian clients especially with mood disorders. Nina is on point. and I've seen success with clients eating meat instead and not sure what your credentials are either.
I tried both carnivore and wfpb vegan. My health deteriorated w carnivore and improved w vegan, I'm a very healthy 67, suggestions of 🔝fat, meat diets are dangerous and foolish 😳
Thanks for cutting through the unscrupulous Chris. Very well executed.
20 minutes into this and I have no fluckin idea what your position is…….I’m out.
What do you say about CAC scores? So many low carbers who eat high sat fat take the CAC test (calcium in the arteries) and get a low score. My sister did and she has a long history of high blood pressure and high cholesterol. They say this proves their arteries are clear. They eat a lot of vegetables so maybe the anti oxidants prevent artery damage?
Saturated fat isn’t inflammatory. Low carb diets eliminate seed oils, refined grains and sugars. Whole unrefined foods is the key.
I think calcium in the arteries are interesting, indicating inflammation sometime in the past. But generally hard plaques are stable and not dangerous, but hard to reverse. It's the soft plaques that are dangerous and the cat scan does not pick them up. There is a relatively new test that I am going to take that does a good job of mapping soft plaques but it's $2,000 and only available in some metro areas. Those are the ones so correlated with high LDL values in the blood.
@Plant Chompers which LDL? High sd LDL?
I love your videos and watch them regularly. If you have time and patience, go outside from the United States and visit a country where western diet is not common or zero. You will find the truth and fact. In some countries people even don’t know what carb, protein and fats are and they eat whatever is sold in local markets. They don’t drink coke and Pepsi four times a day nor they start their morning with redbull and rock star so called energy drinks. They don’t add sugar in every meal. They don’t know what Subway, McDonald’s, Burger King and Pizza shops are. Let me explain how they eat, They drink a few cups of green tea with a little sugar and a few eggs or whatever left from last night. There is no chips, cookies and beverages to snack and at noon time they have vegetables, legumes and meat. They cook them at home and same story for dinner. They are healthy and don’t have most of the current western diseases. In my personal opinion, we need to go back to natural foods and avoid processed foods. The key element for today’s problems is only processed food.
Fantastic video. I'm glad i discovered it ☺
I developed gout because of keto. All that meat was super acidic to my body
I'm not surprised. Interstitial cystitis is another condition affected by acidity, and mine completely went away when I ditched animal products. Not even doing a wfpb diet, just normal vegan.
Very interesting. A little hard to follow. You blast through very quickly. That's what Nina does.
You definitely shine a light on Nina's work. I'll have to look into that more closely.
The biggest problem with the food pyramid is how it has encouraged obesity, metabolic syndrome and diabetes. The ADA guidelines for diabetics have been a huge failure. Work by groups like Virta health have proven the efficacy of keto and LCHF diets to reverse diabetes. Can you comment on that?
Could reference any study on lchf diets reversing, not controlling, diabetes? I myself know some anecdotal cases of people reversing diabetes but on vegetarian diet, only cutting carbs at the beginning.
@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 so, I've done a lot more reading and watching and I believe Nina is right on target with her criticism of Keys and the USDA guidelines. It's outright fraud. We're going LCHF and I don't see any way to do that on a vegan diet.
@@debbiecote3993 it is no necessary at all to do low carb, I was extremely ill on a low carb diet and recover my health on a high carb ew vegan diet, Wich it isn't appropriate on the long term, however I was on average 90% raw, with a lot of green smoothies. A low carb diet is a Russian roulette.
@@anonimogonzalezperez4951 I'm glad you are doing better. You have too do what works for your body. We're good so far on LCHF. 😁👍
@@debbiecote3993 would you kindly share with me what you watched and read? I've on LCHF for about 6 months and I need all the encouragement I can get. And as much science as possible
Very interesting! I’ll stick to a WFPB diet to hedge my good health bets. It’s also my most important form of health insurance.
@Thomas Rogue whole grains, nuts and seeds, legumes(beans), fungi, vegetables, and fruit.
“Whole” foods is just a buzzword, it means nothing, totally vague like another bogus term, the “balanced” diet. Sounds good. Better get yourself a good life insurance policy.
That's not hedging your bets on the right direction
@@Photologistic “Whole food” is not just a buzzword it means not processed, or minimally processed as in cooked. You know, you don’t have to play dumb.
@@daryltownsley4562Have you tried a whole food plant based diet for any length of time?
But you yourself are not vegan it’s a little weird
Moi? I usually say I’m 99% but occasionally will have fish on social occasions, but I think that may have only been once in the past year.
@@PlantChompers sorry mate but there is not such thing as 99% Vegan, when ethics and morals brought out in to play!!!
Great video, but we and the animals suffering low-miserable lives and same deaths, need you 100% Vegan 🌱🖖
@@VeganO_MexicanO Correct, he is not vegan but his diet is plant based, since 99% of his calories come from that source. I would refrain from criticizing him, as his eating plan causes far less damage to the planet than most other diets
I love this video. Thank you!
14% seed oils & 30 minutes of no data just hard slams and snippets. Talk about seed oils more, maybe apply some snippets and captions to how all seed oils effect the human body.
Dr. Sten Ekberg and Dr. Eric Berg.
Stunning !! Thank you! I’ll ever stick to my WFPB diet
Oh my goodness! Chris, this one is truly your best video ever. I just finished my 3rd viewing. I can't wait to see the interviews you mentioned that will follow from this. Yes, you had me at Marion Nestle. Also, this is definitely not too long! Not too funny! I'm sure your audience includes all kinds of people including more than a few like me who have patience & time & some nerdy curiosity. I admit, I'm old'ish & retired. Thanks!
Thanks Kate! It's funny, before I publish I fret over the length and toss clips overboard, and after I publish I think, argh, I should have left that clip in.
this was my first video from this presenter and if this is his best i wont be watching any more . it made me rewatch nina teicholz who presents more science and logic than this guy. dr penny has more credibility.
Hahaha vegans will just age FAST
Love these guys!! So funny yet very informative!!
And misleading
The dislikes you'll get on this video is from those who are mad your "wasting food" making that American pyramid. lol
You should have put the quotation marks solely on "food" ;)
If it's any consolation, my wife makes sure the neighbors get the food because (a) she hates waste and (b) our neighbors love it because it's their everyday diet. 😋 They think we're total wackadoodles because they are healthy and slender in their 70s and don't deprive themselves of pizza and burgers. 🤷
Awesome!! Thank you!!❤️🌱
Not drinking alcohol or smoking is most likely why LDS live longer.
Thanks 😊 ( Again.)
Long live Nina! She is the best!
Very informative, thank you.
(Btw the oe in voeding is pronounced as in shoe)
I see that you took the countries off the charts so we couldn't see what the hell you were talking about. There's no point in showing us a page of dots.
Healthy keto after Dr Berg is great
Is he still pretending to be a real Dr?
all the while pushing supplements?
Mind blown 🤯 epic take down. Fascinating studies!
I really look forward to your videos they're so crammed with info and must take you a long time to prepare. Thanks for so much!
Thanks Richard. 😁
When smart people lie, it's because they're getting paid.
To be fair to Denise. I no longer thinks she subscribes to all the BS she wrote.
I don't think there is any reason to be fair to someone who made money from willing idiots.
As a Mormon I invited a friend to attend a meeting of the women's auxiliary. The lesson presented and the comments made could not have been more perfect and I felt that my friend would be favorably impressed. Sadly, her only comment on the experience: I have never been in a room with so many overweight women in my life!💔
The first women’s meeting I took my MIL to was summarized like this,”All I could see was a room full of exhausted women.”
Love these videos. Who can take a somewhat dry info and make them interest using humor.
After trying keto for over a year and being diagnosed with Leukemia, I went back to my Whole Food Plant Based diet and now use my 100% coconut oil MCT oil for my herbal hair oil infusion. 😁
Had us there in the first half not gonna lie. Good tjing you're putting that cocnjt pil in your ahor and wish you a full and complete recovery.
@Thomas Rogue No, there is no cure for my leukemia, but it's under control.
Of course you just skimmed over the areas you didn't want us to know about.
Seriously….I feel like this video supports is what is NOT working in the last 30 years. I guess that’s why it only has 27K views
Both of my Granpa´s were war refugees from South-Karelia...now part of Russia.
15:14 lol, not only that, Heart disease is the first cause of death in Mexico (followed by covid last year and diabetes most years)
That chart is from 1957.
Note that the USDA quietly reversed the guidelines on dietary cholesterol. There’s no longer a limit in place. This is a well-put together video, but the author would be wise to include this.
You sound like a really nice human. I hope you are taking supplements to stay healthy on your vegan diet
i've lost 65 pounds on a clean keto diet, from 260+ down to 197. my total cholesterol is at a 125, blood glucose at 4.6. i've never felt healthier or better in my life. take it as you will.
Okay, I'll take it for what it is: Another bullshit anecdote. ;)
@@Corilo91 I mean... Okay.
fantastic presentation, I myself fallow my gut, and I feel amazing eating red meat and eggs as well as fish. But I still love my rice and beans, I think its quite simple. don't over eat in calories, have a healthy BMI and eat whole foods. it always comes back around,
Calories are completely irrelevant, and the body pays no attention. It’s simply easy to measure.
I don't understand Denise Mingers statement about preference for low fat. Surely that means replacing fat with carbohydrate as a macro-nutrient. That means eating three times the weight of carbs compared with fat because fat gas almost three times the calories gram per gram compared with fat. If huge numbers of people gave diabetes or pre- diabetes, how can it make sense to stuff sick people with carbohydrates which is shown to be the cause of metabolic syndrome, of which diabetes is an outcome? Or is there good evidence to the contrary?
Most intelligent people will see through this.
Please do a video on the documentary “Food Gate”!!!!
Henry at 96 w/ daughter + her grandson ... I had to read it twice - nice one :)
That was an Easter egg for anyone who made it that far! I had been emailing Henry 3-4 times a day for a couple weeks to ask questions like "what German papers is Nina referencing?" (His reply: "I never figured that out. Ancel only published one paper in German, and that was back in his high altitude physiology days. The paper he published in Voeding wasn't German and it had English annotations.")
Anyway, one day he didn't answer me until late and he included that pic in his email, saying he had been out on the lake in his boat with family. I wrote back and cracked "maybe that Mediterranean diet thing actually works!"