Destiny 2 Lore - Savathun's Betrayal of the Witness & Rhulk, when she was chosen by The Light!
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2022
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story in the Witch Queen talks about how Savathun betrayed the Witness & Rhulk when she excised her worm, was chosen by the Light and sealed the Disciple within his Pyramid, which was still located in her throne World.
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I just have to say that Debra Wilson really did an amazing job voicing Savathûn.
Just realized she is the lady from MADtv she was hilarious on that show
Good god the emotion... absolutely moving stuff
She is excellent. I can’t imagine anybody else playing Savathûn
she's one of the great voice actors/actresses of our time. literally all of her work is incredible.
I keep meaning to send her a tweet telling her how amazing she was. Absolutely loved her performance.
I remember the first time seeing that cutscene of savathun talking to the traveller in her final moments left me absolutely reeling. All that build up of how she stole the light, and it turns out she just died and was brought back, like every other guardian. Hell of a twist
devotion, bravery, sacrifice
I’m confused at how her army got infused with light. I get that she was revived but how does she have countless other ghosts reviving her army? Did the traveller individually choose to resurrect all of them too?
@@luar215in deeming Savathün worthy, the Traveler deemed the Hive worthy. Plus they were meant to have the light originally had The Witness not intervened.
@@DioStandProud Yah, it's basically like the Ghosts saw only Humanity as worthy, but with Savathuun's rsurrection I'm guessing Immaru returned to the City in disguise and managed to convonce some Ghosts who were also displeased with Humanity like he was and followed him to the Throne World. Perhaps it may also be that maybe the Ghosts arn't as "picky" about who they resurect when it comes to the Hive, maybe something about Hive biology. Would be interesting if Ghosts could revive any Hive, maybe even revive Hive Lightbearers who's Ghost was destroyed, at least that would explain us seeing named Hive Lightbearer bosses in certain cases again and again, unless the Lucent Hive have a way to revive dead Hive Ghosts, maybe at the cost of their sentience.
“I must outsource my remembering to someone else”
This line makes me giggle
The more I watch that traveler savathun cutscene, the more I fucking love every single aspect of it. It's just so amazing in every way
Every time I play through the campaign I skip every cutscene but this one. Hell I even just look it up every now and then. The music, the dialogue, the emotion. It's fan freaking tastic.
@@benstanfill363 this and the witness one u just cant skip
@@alexanderrego1998 I don’t think you can rewatch the Witness cutscene in-game. I’ve replayed the last mission and it just throws you back to orbit at the end.
@@JJMomoida on legendary? Cus ive rewatched it tons of times
I don’t understand why she says “wouldn’t it be clever of you, after everything, to let me die”
Sounds like she expected to get revived
“Even if I have to draw my final breath to keep it that way.” Yeah she one hundred percent planned to lose to us. She even referred to us as something capable of containing both forces as opposed to her current limit of one. Her strength was cunning, not martial in nature, yet she drew us to fight her head on. I’m thinking she is using her ‘death’, where she is essentially locked in place, with all the rules of her throne world locked as well, until immaru revives her. I’m sure she planned for her victory as well, but she also specifically said that she is no longer a collector, so I’m betting that actually ‘collecting’ the traveler was actually plan B. So many bells going off in my head at that line. ‘Even if I must draw my last breath’. Gives me freaking chills, and I’ll admit, inspires not a small amount of admiration. Savathun has always remained dedicated to engineering the survival of her people, and that seems to have remained true even as a Risen. Also…. Does this mean the upended is locked away as well? Two birds with one stone? Or more like 15 birds lol
Yeah I'm thinking the same thing, that line hints that this may have been part of her plan. Immaru gets like, teleported with/into? the Traveler after she keels over, perhaps she intends to be resurrected inside the Traveler itself?
I do kind of hope Savathun gets revived again and we ally with her, would be nice to get some more answers
I agree. That’s probably what’s going to happen. 🤞
Some more lies
Probably why immaru is still alive.
afraid she is dead as a doornail. we used her body and bones to create the striga sub machine gun which alongside ToM is a weapon of sorrow!
have a feeling they are keeping her ghost alive as a sort of loophole to keep her throne world from collapsing on itself!
@@keronstewart9446 Are you sure the Striga is made from savathun? The hidden have her body
I do love the Glaive lore. It’s crazy stuff that helps contextualize the gap between Season of the Lost and The Witch Queen campaign.
That in mind, I hope and pray that this stuff going on with copyright doesn’t further affect you on this site. You’re like THE guy for lore. You deserve good things.
Copyright is only getting worse because people decry it then abuse it so the UA-cam community is fractured allowing companies to have greater sway on UA-cams upper levels than creators.
Would like Byf to speak out on it when it does more than affect HIS channel, though.
@Urazz No they aren't lazy. They're fully aware of legal standards and choose to only actively uphold them if they're corporate.
@Urazz Nah. Silicon Valley is owned and operated by pedophile nerds. They know what they’re doing.
@Urazz not lazy, greedy. They need human verification and it's expensive. After all the marjority of the money comes from adds and not membership and stuff. So if a creator gets striked/banned it's a net gain for UA-cam since they do not need to litigate the issues.
I'm glad you looked at the lore tabs for the exotic glaives!!! I think it's really interesting that each glaive is tied to each of the different hive gods (look at the last word of the blurbs: cunning for Savathûn, ambition for Oryx, and strength for Xivu Arath) and that there seems to now be the beginning of new Books of Sorrow, called the Books of Rememberance. Instead of these telling the genesis of the hive, they tell the story of the hive's rebirth in the light.
On my next Ted talk: the parallels between Oryx and Moses, Savathûn and Jesus, and Xivu Arath and Mohammad.
Ayo lemme hear that next Ted talk
Oryx and Moshe? Easy! It’s the tablets!
@@eskarinakatz7723 savathun and Jesus is rebirth or defying death I suppose
Sort of a dark mirror of each of them? Yeah I can see that.
Send it on that next ted talk
We should have just let Immaru keep the exotic glaives for the Lucent hive it would have made them really easy to deal with😂
I would love Glaives for Lucent hive. Theyd get the arcstrider subclass.
Would it though? I love the Hunter exotic glaive. Chain lightning, faster reload, and (it feels like) faster movement speed.
I'm so glad you shared these lore entries Byf, it finally makes sense how Savathun even knew how to put her plan in motion or where her throne was. I think we need a video about Immaru specifically though, and just how deep he is in all this and wether he and Savathun met before her death and rise?
I think that Dark Savathun must have left the worm familiar for us to find. Why else would she build an entire temple to her former self to hide it in, just like the other memory artifacts? It also seems to have been specifically locked out of the Pool of Reflection, so maybe Light Savathun wasn't supposed to know about it until the final battle, like she planned for us to win this fight all along
If the Worm familiar in the temple of sathona was intentionally left by Savathûn why would Her alter of reflection prevent us ingres to unlock it? It more likely that Darkness Savathûn didn't actual know about the worm familiar memory otherwise if she did why did she act surprised by it.
Glad this video is going live during all the BS going on
Whats going on?
@@janedoe4929 Copystrikes left and right into anyone who do Destiny 2 content, and even Bungie got hit
@@janedoe4929 a company is taking many videos out by copyright strikes, byf and many other creators got caught un It.
@@janedoe4929 a bunch of copyright bs to a lot of destiny content including soundtracks and cutscenes
@@janedoe4929 copyright strikes all over the place
You and your team do a great job at telling the story that many of us may miss inadvertently.
I hope the issues you're facing with the channel marks resolve themselves and everyone sees the value that comes from your content.
As always, great content. Thank you for making it and I'll look forward to your next piece of content.
Every time I see Savathun come back, I get CHILLS, incredible work.
And I love love this lore! I remember reading it myself and thinking, I can't WAIT for byf to cover it!!
Byf is the vaatividya of destiny love all your great videos thank you for all that you have done :) see you star side brother hope you have a good day/night
Savathun is one of the best Destiny characters. I doubt that this was her end.
We support you. Keep up the great work!!!
The amount of manipulation in her voice when she’s says “if you simply let me die” is astounding
Did anyone else find it odd that Immaru already had a Hive ghost shell instead of the basic one before reviving Savathun?
I had assumed he was one of the ghosts that read the books of sorrow and felt pity and kinship with the hive and made his shell in their style out of reverence of
The hive.
Pretty sure there's a lore tab from Throne World that hints at the origin of the Hive "shell" and the Light.
TLDR: that's not a shell, that's the Ghosts' skin... well, bone. But it's organic, unlike the shells on our Ghost. Ours are modular components
@@CMTechnica that's......genuinely disturbing on an intimate level
@@Tftapodcast I considered that maybe the traveler makes ghosts look friendly/familiar to whatever race it's raising. Robots were plenty familiar to humans, and the bone of immaru and finch would be familiar to hive.
It is worth nothing that Immaru didn’t always have that Shell too. So it seems they can adapt to different species aesthetics pretty much on the fly
Showing all my love and support!
You are literally a huge reason why I know what is going on in the destiny and bungie universe. The copyright strike groans aside, I, as well as your community will continue to follow and look for your insight on this matter. Thanks to you and your team for providing amazing content that expands on an already amazing game
Your lore videos are amazing man keep it up no matter what!! You make beautiful content
Appreciate your bravery good sir
Watching this before Bungie takes it down
Is there going to be a playlist for these? I'm enjoying all of these videos so far.
Thanks again for doing what you do. Much Love Lore Homie
I appreciate all of the content, keep on.
Bro thank you so much. I was looking for this missing piece of lore to fully understand the beginning and end of The witch queen. Great video 🙆🏻♂️❤
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Surprised u still uploaded
Keep it up byf!
Another great video as always! Best of Luck with the content strikes. You folk will get through it in due time. Til the next one..
Keep em coming Byf!
Glad your channel is back Just saw that some creators got banded
14:10 I really like the subtle foreshadowing here of that the Witness actually is
Love you lore daddy keep up the great work!
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Well crafted as always, and we'll put statement at the end of the video mate!
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I assume Savanthun cant be dead, if anything by betraying the Witness and the incredible power of the darkness she put a giant target on her back so her faking her death at the hands of guardians might be the best way to temporarily avoid the wrath of the witness.
Or, because she has Immaru, she actually just permitted her own death because she foresees us allowing her to return to life (to be fair, I foresee this too and she’s a lot smarter than me), thus allowing her to skip through the dangerous times.
Love this! Got me thinking about playing destiny again 👍🏻
0:58 I just love how you bonk the ogre hehe
I found a titan main
Thank you for the great exposition. A small edit to be done at 11:43
Nothing made me go from "Triumphant savior and god-killer" to "oh god oh no did I just ruin everything" so quickly as Savathun saying "Just don't say I didn't warn you"
Great video!!!
awesomeness as always love your vids!
Byf the voice audio on your videos is much lower than a lot of my other subscriptions. Anyone else?
Super excited for the raid playlist
The Witness having many selves is... disconcerning. Does this mean many appearances, or something more nefarious?
Possibly multiple different bodies. For example we see the Witness build itself a new one out of the black liquid in the final cutscene of Witch Queen.
Eh, hopefully The Witness ends up being turned into an exotic sidearm or rocket launcher that shoots face rockets at enemies & does fart noises as you reload.
I assume a conscious made of multiple minds. Possibly multiple bodies associated with them. Kind of like the borg in star trek. One big hive mind with a ton of bodies.
I can't find an answer for one question:
How did she know that traveler will resurrect her as we see in the cutscene she asks traveler to just let her die.
Please tell me byf...
There is none. her resurrection was a complete gamble. Even she wasn't sure that the traveler would resurrect her. in the video its shown in the cutscene. She became the traveler's supplicant in hopes to be blessed as well, like she says it would be would be an elegant trick if it simply let her die.
@@Hotdog_wadder though, knowing savathun, she isn't one for gambling. My guess is she figured out a way to influence the decision. Maybe she learned what the traveler looks for, or the right words to say. I don't think it was a true 50/50 chance.
@@benstanfill363 yes, you are correct. Her recital of the bravery leads to sacrifice… etc could imply she at least studied (when she was Osiris) or realize what others believed made a guardian and her potentially following that path. because she new the light must have been correct path it would at least sway the traveler to resurrect her.
@@Hotdog_wadder exactly. I don't think the traveler is omnipotent. I think it heard her speech, watched her plan against rhulk etc and said well she seems legit, which she may very well be. She really might want to protect and serve the traveler, she just doesn't care about us.
She studied light as Osiris.
She knew what's needed to become guardian: Bravery, sacrefice and death.
Love your video's. Just wanted to point out your video's lately have had low volume levels on youtube.
The witch queens season of the risens stories were phenomenally good.
Savathuun was done well...
I hate the crow because he's a moron.
Looking at old dialogue, I'm now convinced the crow can't be hunter vanguard.
Shiro 4 has to come back from wherever ikora sent him after his FWC assignment.
Thank you for posting this with everything going on. Stay brave! Ever vigilant, guardian!
Savathun The white :"And I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide."
Crazy savathuns voice actor is very good I legit got a lil emotional with that cutscene
Mad support 🙏🏾
Asking the internet to go on a witch hunt is like asking the tides to turn back. lol Great vid
Amazing video as always. Hope all goes well after the takedown craziness the other day!!
One question still remains. Where did the Savathûn's crown come from and is it an armor piece, beause she didn't have it before she gained the Light.
I want it as an Exotic armor soooooo bad
It's a crown Savathun probably found in an abandoned Toys R' Us.
She grew it when she gained the light. Just the like the hive lightbearers look different. When the get resurrected it changes their bone structure and she grew a crown.
There were other small aspects of her appearance on her chitin armor that changed, The ghosts use surrounding matter to create it like our first set of armor which was also made from surrounding matter.
@@toddboward4771 I could see Savathun's crown being a Warlock armor piece.
"Crown of Lies"
Intristic Trait: Liar in the Light. Granting allies Super energy also grants you Super energy.
I find it interesting that Savathûn says The Witness has "many selves". Must be connected to how he refers to himself as a unit. Also I'm honestly pretty upset with the whole copyright stuff going on, especially with how it's affecting my friends and what they do. Hopefully things improve within the coming days.
@regicide yeah because darkness has no definite shape. I think there was a lore piece that said he is shapeless. The way he also entered in that final cut scene also looks as if he formed from darkness and kind of just made a shape out of it. If we defeat the witness in lightfall then i wonder what happens in "the final shape" that relates to the light and dark saga. Maybe the reason why there seems to be many versions of the witness is because they are clones of his true self, which we havent seen yet
@@mrxerxes7947 I don't exactly remember a lore piece saying that. Neither does my buddy who is really obsessed with pyramid stuff. Where does it say it?
@Gabriel-CXVII i think it was a byf or evade video all the wsy back when witch queen was just released. I dont remember the exact lore piece
So far me and my friend believe there is a being higher than the Witness. Him more than me. I'm more convinced now though after looking into stuff related to the veiled statues, and looking back on Unveiled and the second conversation in the BoS with Oryx and the Deep.
@Gabriel-CXVII same. If we defeat the witness in lightfall then what is the point of the final shape? Also the witness wears the darkness like a cloak, i have a feeling in the final shape we will meet the one who makes the darkness aka the winnnower, possibly. If the witness is truly the highest in the ranks of the darkness then should beat him in the final shape
Not sure if this will be seen or not, but i found a reference of how long there have been hints at savathun stealing the light, the ship from forsaken "unfinal shapes" talking about eris seeing a throne world made for the light, might have information thats useable somehow, or just an interesting tidbit showing how far back her plans reach
Happy to hear that the clam and or takedown drama has seemed to be figured out!
Thanks Byf
Loving the content as usual. But i've noticed the last few videos have pretty low volume. It's quite hard to listen while i work, even with speakers at max level. Would be nice to have it boosted a bit.
What I find interesting is how in fiction most “logic” or mastermind type of villains just put up complex plans and make use of things the can be certain will work, it’s just the hero and some other random elements that could ruin their plans. But interesting for Savathuun that she tried many schemes, set pieces in motion, even made a plan if she was resurrected to get back her memories, but in the end she put it all in motion and decided rather then using certain assured elements, she basically put her faith in the Traveler to let her be revived. Then faith we’d unwittingly carry out her machinations enabling her plans to even be possible by restoring her memories.
Yesssss new episode time
as always a great video. only complaint as of late is that the audio is so quiet.
I've noticed this as well
Need to watch this before it gets taken down
I freaking love the way they've done the characterization for Savathun. I haven't felt so simultaneously convinced by a character's convictions yet so incredibly suspect about every single thing that a character in a video game has said since Handsome Jack, and anyone who's played Borderlands 2 would know how absolutely scheming that horrid man is. A woman willing to see herself killed to fulfil her grand design, having already set the pieces in motion to trick her enemy into helping her remember what that design was in the first place. Part of me wants to believe that her intentions were genuine - that she had the Traveler's best interests in heart, wanting to seal it away in her Throne World so the Witness could not claim it, but she did so knowing that she would need to contend with humanity and their Guardians to see it done. Ultimately, she failed, but we're yet to learn whether or not killing Savathun was truly in our best interests.
Best video game storytelling I've had the pleasure to experience in years, and as someone who rarely ever sets aside the time to read lore cards, I deeply appreciate the work you do, Byf. Keep it up!
Clearly she doesn't have the travelers best interest in mind, but neither does humanity, zavala said so himself that we fight for humanity, not the traveler, I bet savathun just wants to do the same with the hive
I feel like Savathun planned for her second death as well. If she knew she would gain the Light, there's no way she didn't plan events after her death. She'll come back when Immaru knows it's time to initiate the next part of her plan.
Absolutely love this guy
Audio was a bit low on this one but still a great vid, hope next vid is a bit louder.
Let's go Byf!
Love the attitude dude 👍😁
I stand by you my dude! These strikes are ridiculous!
Byf, PLEASE, raise your voice's volume! It's hard to hear you without phones!
Savathûn talking about the Witness' many selves reminds me of the updated Override dialogue from Mithrax about Skira, the Watcher. Considering Watcher and Witness mean relatively the same thing, it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume Skira is one of the Witness' selves
I feel like Witch Queen is less about Savathuon and the Lucent Hive, and more about the Witness and getting ready for the finale of Destiny 2.
love ur vids brother
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Byf really out here with the 'try me' attitude lol
least now we know it's not bungie doing it
i will always say that savathun and traveller scene is a master piece
Ah I can't wait to see immaru again. Tell him it'll be okay. And feel that satisfying crunch in my hands.
Man, I'm not even upset that Savathun or the Hive were given the Light. I'm upset that even after given a relatively fresh start, there was just no path for us to ally together. Her power, knowledge and wisdom would've brought us all one large step closer to defeating the Witness, on top of a massive increase in Lightbearer numbers, but her grand plan was to take the Traveler for herself and doom the rest of the universe?
It makes me wonder what her reaction would've been if we dealt with Rhulk first, especially since Savathun considered him unkillable even with her newly empowered state and in her own Throneworld. Maybe that'll be the thing that changes her plans and finally make her ally with us.
Edit: Also, the Witness's "many selves"? Interesting, especially considering the Prophecy wall predicting the Witness gaining the Light, and the fact that Light is at its most powerful when many are working together. Definitely a dark reflection of the Guardians indeed, and somehow a much larger escalation of the stakes...
My take is that Savathun believes not even the Light can defeat the Witness (despite the trash talking). And that without protection no Matter What we do the Witness Will arrive and compromise the Traveller.
She would seal herself and the Traveller away from the universe inside her throne world for Eternity, where the Witness would never be able to reach her. And then, she would essentially have a paradise for the Traveller and her brood. Even if outside the Throne world the Witness has won.
Now the Traveller is once more completely unprotected to a situation like the red War even if guardians are present. So the Witness can still arrive and reach to the Traveller more easily Than if It was in the Throne world.
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I think those are reasonable assumptions that she made, but clearly she believed that the Light and by extension Guardians are powerless against even Rhulk. While the former may be true, we've displayed the latter to be false thanks to our ability to balance Light and Dark together.
It makes me wonder though, if Savathun believes the Light couldn't defeat the Witness even if it could trap a Disciple, how could she be sure that the Throneworld really could keep out the Witness itself? And judging from the seasonal side of the story, the plan was to stitch the Throneworld back into reality on the moon to some extent, which would... bring the Traveler back into the universe? I just feel like either she was lying to us about some aspect of her plans to demoralize us, or she didn't think her plan through. So, probably the former on this one.
@@kyleespinoza7201 to my knowledge I assume Savathun sealing away the Traveller in the Throne world would leave her world completely isolated, and shed trick the Witness (Who would be headed to Earth because thats where the Traveller was Last seen while flying past Mars and the lure (she has already duped the Witness before)
As for the psio OPS story... Well thatd be plan B. And likely Savathun didnt orchestrate It but Immaru. Since Immaru is more keen on draining the light of Guardians and to use "Ghost Killers". And said plan B would be 'if we cant bring the Traveller to the Throne world, we bring the Throne world to the Traveller " you can tell its a much more "sloppy" and straightforward plan that doesnt match Savathuns carefully spun plans that are calculated to the smallest detail.
I have personally interpreted it as her taking a toy away from a child. We have done nothing to prepare for what’s coming, and she knows exactly what is coming. While she may have been locking it away, she either has to make a move now or watch as we play in the sand when there’s a tornado coming.
is it me, or is there a setting that is not turning my volume to max to hear your video. When a commercial starts to play I have to rush to turn it down but when your video starts to play again I have to turn my volume to max again....
The final shape is what makes the Golden Ratio in the Fib Sequence
I'm watching only for the lore, but damn that was a sick gameplay in the beginning
Honestly, on what happened with savathun before the light is just beautiful
Byf is the goat
hope everything is well with all the copyright stuff going on. keep on with the great work
I was unbelievably caught off guard by this cutscene, it's flipped our perspective of how the whole of the Light, at least our understanding of it and even the Traveler itself operates
Truth be told, I saw that coming a mile away. I mean, there were plenty of hints in the marketing.
Since calus is mentioned recently, is there any chance of you making a video on him again? Seeing the information we have? I don’t know what we have per say cause I literally just started getting into the lore
This is the place for great lore.
Hey Byf, thanks for the video. A bit off-topic, but have you noticed that your last several videos have been very quiet? I've needed to nearly double the volume setting on my PC when your videos come up, when I didn't have to before. It might be on UA-cam's end, rather than yours, but I figured I should mention it since I didn't see any other comments doing so.
Awesome 👌
please make a (raid) playlist about rhulk!