Am I the only person that absolutely loves the reaction Zavala gives here? Like hearing this suddenly has his walls crashing down around him on what he believed the Traveller was and what it wanted.
safety and nothing else the traveler could give a damn who it is as long as they provide safety from the threat that is the witness, and if the traveler’s so afraid of him imagine how powerful he must be i mean his disciple made the worm mother into a vegetable, The Witness can take planets and do with them whatever he pleases, i just hope he’s a boss that’s really dark souls levels of hard, and not just a bullet sponge
Debra Wilson is a phenomenal voice actress. Such a soothing voice that somehow doesn't mask the ancient and dangerous intelligence of Savathun. Props to her for her role in this expansion. She brought Savathun to life more than the Traveler itself.
Not enough people talk about the music that plays while Savathûn talks to the traveler. It’s an inversion of savathûn’s song, and it sounds absolutely beautiful.
When I saw this scene, I was thinking to myself... "Wait...she died after the ritual!? She kept Osiris outside the city walls in safety from our enemies, and when she died, she was given the Light by the Traveler?! She didn't steal the light?!" This had got to be the biggest moment in Destiny's history and I love it!
The cutscenes in TWQ are such high quality, especially this one. They look like an actual movie. Not to mention the cinematography. Whenever both Savathun and the Traveler are both in frame, Savathun is always much smaller than the Traveler to show that she is giving herself to the Light. Chef's kiss.
@@winkmurder When you're looking at the Witness head on, look at its head shape and the armor part covering its mouth at the center. It gives the illusion of a mechanical mouth and makes the Witness look kinda scary.
@@Putin_Gaming15 don't mistake protecting the Traveler and protecting humanity go hand in hand. Savathun gave the Traveler a safe place for it to stay, but doing that would doom humanity and the rest of us. We didn't want that. We are here to protect humanity, and we can't do it without the Traveler
@@xrstevenson Huh, so its a paradox. We need the thing that attracts the darkness to fight the darkness so as a result we are in perpetual war. It seems like this has been an unwinnable war since the beginning.
@@Putin_Gaming15 so from what i can gather, the Witness is the main problem. Darkness nor Light are good nor evil, but The Witness is using the dark for it's own game of cat and mouse against the Traveler. But the Traveler actually encourages us to use the Darkness, but who knows what the Witness is all about. Maybe there were billions of Travelers and the Witness used the Darkness and the Pyramid ships to destroy them all and our Traveler has been running ever since, trying to find help for itself
Savathunn showed devotion in her plan to wield the Light and carve a new fate by meticulously planning for millennia for this moment. She showed bravery: knowing that, without her worm, her end was assured. She sacrificed her power, immortality and her very memories simply for a chance to be chosen by the Traveler and wield the Light. And in that sacrifice, it lead to the death of everything Savathunn had ever been. Including herself. She didn’t steal the Light. She become worthy of it. A gamble and clever trick indeed.
It was actually said that The Traveller had already chosen Savathûn, Oryx and Xivu Arath back on Fundament, so The Witness, through the sisters father's Worm familiar, told them lies about the God Wave, and told them to seek out the Worm Gods (Turn away from The Sky and look to The Deep). Savathûn couldn't become a Guardian because she was immortal through the bond with her Worm. She only became a Guardian because she died, and died on Earth, in close proximity to The Traveller. Savathûn is the only one of the three sisters to die without a Worm, and thus was able to be revived as a Guardian. I think The Traveller has prerequisites for who it chooses to be a Guardian, and those prerequisites, if met, remain until that person/thing dies and is revived. So Savathûn was chosen on Fundament by meeting the prerequisites, but she didn't die until thousands of years later, that is when she was revived. At the time of assessment, Savathûn was worthy of the Light, and so she was always worthy, regardless of what she did since that initial assessment. Without her Worm, she didn't have the means to travel to her Throne World when she died (she had no paracausal abilities), so she truly died "pure" in a sense (No Darkness corruption), allowing The Traveller to revive her with a blank slate, filled with the Light. TLDR; Savathûn, along with her sisters Oryx and Xivu Arath, was always worthy of the Light, as they were assessed on Fundament and deemed worthy, as stated by The Witness.
@@Fukushima_Akira this was,y theory as to why it gave her the light, because that was his plan all along. But what makes me curious is why he didn’t do the same to any fallen
Trillions if not quadrillions of souls could of been saved had they heeded the leviathans warning and turned back, the krill would of been uplifted by the traveler. Everyone of the siblings also had doubts about the validity of their crusade, but at that point they couldnt get rid of the worm without killing off their entire species. Very much a tragic story
I LOVE how Zavala is no longer being depicted as the same, one-note character who doesn't have emotions. Seeing him slowly starting to have everything be believed torn out from under him is amazing and I REALLY hope they keep the momentum going with his character. (I just hope that he doesn't turn evil because that would be A. Kinda dumb and B. Cliche.)
They've been planning this for Zavala for quite some time. If you read the journals from the future that the Exo Stranger came from, in it Zavala had his entire worldview crushed into dust, he lost all hope, then it rekindled and he fought against the end with every fiber he had left, his faith shifted from the Traveller who abandoned him and humanity, to humanity solely, believing we were worth saving.
I fell outta destiny a while ago, before forsaken, and I can tell you Zavala's cracks have been showing for a long time now. Red war started it, but warmind really put the screws on him. Apparently quite a few things since have been chipping away at his stoic nature.
Eris here is my favourite of the scene. She brings up the fact that the Traveller's history isn't so noble, but rather, a story of survival. Eris being cursed with Hive magic, while still being a human and once a guardian, may be the Vanguard's greatest adversary in the upcoming ending of the light-darkness saga. Witch Queen was an absolute masterpiece, and another reason why the Destiny story grows with such anticipation. *T H E L O R E*
My one complaint with this DLC is that they made Savathunes ghost such a big obvious villain type. I feel like if they made him more like our ghost it would have really contributed to the themes of questionable morality from the story.
A thing of note, we never actually /see/ Savathun's Ghost speak. Sure, we are TOLD that it is the one giving out the patrols and speaking in our ear during transmissions, but I personally think that it's Fynch. Think about it, he IS just as chatty as every other Ghost we've seen speak, is his own person. We already know for a fact that the Hive Ghosts aren't random ghosts brought over to her side, but one's made new from the Traveler wholecloth. So if someone on the enemy side says "Oh, it's THAT guy, he's a famous Ghost you all know juuuust enough to believe is a real Ghost, but not enough about to actually be able to fact check anything he's talking about." then where is the proof that any of that setup is true? TLDR; I think Fynch is Savathun's Ghost, he fits more themes than the "Big Tough Strong Guy" ghost we are told is hers.
Of the entire speech, Savathun asking “Is that it?” is what got me. She has had a crazy story, wiped out whole galaxies, and decided the universe’s greatest. But this is how it ended. Just expiring alone, with one final plea to a power greater than herself. Guess I’m a sucker for humble ends for larger than life villains.
Right? It’s like the exact opposite of Ghaul, who in his arrogance, proclaimed himself a god and believed he had become all powerful and immortal, only to be struck down in mere moments by the traveler.
It seems to me that in that moment, Savathun started doubting her own plan would work. Even if she met the criteria for becoming a Guardian, she acknowledged there was still a chance she wouldn’t come back. She was practically begging for a second chance from the god-like entity she had been actively hunting for billions of years. This was the Witch Queen at her most vulnerable. Not only was she already dying from her exorcism in the Dreaming City, but this was the one time she couldn’t rely on her usual resources of information and people to manipulate. She was effectively gambling with her life and knew everything she was depended entirely on the Traveller’s judgement.
What I enjoyed from this is the fact that the others became not only suspicious but jealous after she was granted the Light. As if it was their right alone when really it’s the Traveler who deemed her worthy.
I love how this cutscene alone made me actually feel something for a moth alien, I felt more emotion with a moth alien dying than most of all cinematic deaths in all of video game and film history, why the hell is Bungie so good at their work?
Idk, but what I do know is that they should be the lead producers of the halo series, not paramount or whoever it is right now ☠️ Literally the cutscenes in halo 5 were better than some of the shots in the new series
No hate to Bungie this is a great cutscene but you must have not played many games or watched many movies if you think this is the most emotional death scene you've ever seen
4:17 notice this shot. Ikora is off to the side, physically isolated from the others in the room, half-covered in Shadow. She is uncertain, doubtful, questioning. Zavala is facing the Guardian, facing Ana and Saint and everyone else who has sacrificed for Humanity. And his back is turned to the Traveler...
Savathun's greatest trick was so thought out. Savathun separated herself from her worm in order to truly be killed (and separated from the worm that forces her to lie and kill so she can stay alive) because she knew the Traveler would revive her. The God of Deception successfully deceived The Witness and his disciples, planned to completely seal the Traveler away in her Throne World effectively cutting it off of our reality, and the Witness would never get to it. Meanwhile Savathun is forever safe, and in time would have defeated Rhulk herself as its pretty obvious the Traveler was on her side in the last mission.
Hands down one of the best characters ever made, tied with Raistlin Majere for me. So many aspects to one being. Really hope she returns since her ghost is still with the traveler. Amazing story telling.
I loved this whole thing. But how did our guardian not notice that on the second memory the darn eyes wernt looking to the side. They were staring right at us. We were being watched.
Really felt sorry for her. Been playing since D1 and I've never seen such an emotional (Cayden is unique) cutscene like this. Can't wait to see what the future expansions will bring.
Future expansions will bring same thing past ones have. Recycled content and reused assets. And more paid DLC that is just grinding for the same 6 reskins. Yeah nice cutscene though.
Me, while Ghost was being annoying and bitching about Savathun stealing the light: You know what, maybe she just asked the Traveler really nicely. Me during this scene: Oh my god she legit just asked really nicely...
I honestly think that this shows something about the traveler that not many consider, in game or out. The traveler never really cared about anything, it just wants to be protected from the witness. This means that it'll give up it's power and make guardians to protect it, no matter who or what it is. I recall at one point the traveler had chosen the fallen, but they failed miserably and he moved on. Humanity is still being created into guardians because they really have not failed. But, what happens when the traveler begins to doubt even humanity? It moves on to something else. And the hive, despite everything, is a good way to show in the darkest places, a drop of light can shine brightest. That's why I think this is gonna play into something more. Think about it, the traveler must be aware of the witness and what's coming, and is beginning to believe that humanity may not be enough. So start making guardians out of everyone who can be considered worthy. Why not more Fallen? Maybe a vex or two? The Cabal? Just because something was doesn't mean it must always be. And if the witness is as powerful as we are being made to believe, then we will need as many allies (and guardians) as we can grab. It's not just about humanity anymore...it's about preventing total extinction.
OK...interesting. Would players choose to be a Cabal Guardian, or a Vex Guardian, or a Hive guardian, or a Scorn Guardian? Opens up a lot of interesting play builds, doesn't it? Hmmmm...
@@AxisChurchDevotee I see me not playing it, as it costs me at least $220.00 a year. I won't pay it = a year of Game Pass Ultimate, and the four season passes. It's technically 'Free To Play' , but not very much playing is actually free. I guess it may be fine for folks to try it out, but it is an expensive game to stay in. Kinda sad, because I played the beta of Destiny, and the beta of Destiny 2, so I have stayed with it for many years.
the basis for your argument is flawed, sorry to say, as the traveler cares more about winning its wager with the darkness than it cares about being protected. this is shown in the unveiling lore book from shadowkeep, if you wanna read it
@@x6568tank I don't wanna read it, but I will take what you say as true. Note that Destiny lore is very 'flexible' to be sure. Also, I have seen a lot of Byf's videos on the Destiny lore, but I am no expert.
God this cutscene is the best in the series. Everything from the music to the twist to Debra Wilson's amazing performance. I never thought a Destiny cutscene would actually make me feel anything other than "I'm gonna kill that guy later"
Worst part of this was for me, when I read the raid ghost shell's lore. The Traveller oversees or has a certain say in who or what is chosen by a ghost. They let Savathun be chosen. but then I was left wondering why? As an experiment? a test for us? Perhaps even an ally in the fight against The Witness. I suppose we'll have to wait to see what happens.
because she would’ve in a sense kept the traveler safe from the witness, if you haven’t figured it out by now the traveler is only trying to survive with the best method, it really doesn’t care who is chosen just so long as it can keep it safe from the witness, savathun failed at it so the traveler came back to humanity, who i also believe will fail once the witness arrives
After all these year of Savathun tricking us, this is the most satisfying moment in destiny. Not because she dies, but because for the first time since she was Sathona she’s being genuine. No lies, no tricks, just “Well, here I am. Do with me as you please.”
She realized some time ago that the light is far easier to keep someone immortal rather than the darkness. That's almost the entire reason she went to the traveler.
Me who finished the campaign: so.....how do you think she stole it? My brother who hasn't finished it yet: I don't know....she took a shard of the traveler? Destiny's story is too predictable... Me: mhmm.. Brother: *finally gets to this scene* w-.......what? What!?! I don't understand?!? How did she steal it?!?!?!?!? Me: she didn't....and there's more. Brother: MORE!?!?! Me:
what's ironic is that your brother is partially right. Back in D1, the Hive *DID* steal a shard of the Traveler. we killed them and brought it back, of course, but they DID. and they've been draining Light from Guardians for centuries. They know a _lot_ about the depths of both the Dark AND the Light, at this point...
If you think about it For the past year savathun have done many things in her way that benefited us She did good thongs before dying and maybe that's why she got chosen
not just the past year, but ever since the red war, we know savathun had her spys it wouldn't Suprise me if she had something on ghauls ship and was listening to his conversations with the speaker, like the one where he tells ghaul to kill himself, savathun took that quite literally, she took the ultimate sacrifice
She was chosen because the traveler already saw the hive as worth as light. The traveler chooses strong willed people who can be warriors. Her being chosen by a ghost only happened because 1. The Traveler already wanted the hive to have the light 2. The Hive couldn’t have the light because of the worm god pact.
Savathun getting the light is one of the best cutscenes in the game, if not THE best. It's visually stunning, the music is amazing and the way it plays out works absolutely perfectly. I could go on forever about everything I love about this cutscene.
The most terrifying answer none of us ever considered. How did Savathun steal the Light? She didn't. She succeeded where Ghaul failed.... and was chosen.
Savathun's death is pretty interesting. Watching a several billion year old bug/crustacean god of decite and lies die alone on some tiny rock outcropping bordering the slums of a human city. I mean imagine razing your way through entire galaxies building and scheming and subsuming for eons. Surrounded by trillions of your soldiers and worshipers. Only to die next to a few mud huts on a backwater world like random gutter trash. The strongest thing about Destiny has always been its story in my opinion.
(2:02)-those last thoughts🤧 (3:11)-She remembers (5:51)-Ikora’s iron reasoning steels Zavala’s wavering faith to remind us why we fight-humanity and the last city, NOT just the traveler.
Let's be honest.....We kinda knew this was coming....We embraced the power from Darkness, but didn't completely fall into it....We stand side of light, but started to questioning about that is it really Traveler is true justice....And now, Traveler is starting asking itself as...'Is humanity really worthy as Guardian?'
The death sequence should have been at the end of last season. With where they put it, it felt like they were unveiling a twist that both didnt feel relevant at that point in the story, and put a dramatic cut to black that would've felt a lot better than last seasons ending cutscene which was pretty lackluster. Cool twist, but being a guardian we could already assume she lost her memory, but it also felt contrived because the memories were already in her throne world to begin with. They turned it into a fetch quest for exposition. The twist of the worms lying was good enough, we didnt need to go in pretending we were confused about the fundamentals of how raising a guardian works.
seeing as i havent played in a LONG time (last time was...just before Witch Queen i think. when the Vex had the Last City in a Simulation) i feel like they did this for more the people who started with D2. the whole thing you mentioned about "pretending we were confused about the fundamentals of how raising a guardian works." D1 established the Dark Age: a time where there were no Guardians. When Ghosts were freshly created for the first time (which already infers that the Fallen, or rather Eliksni were given the Light while they still were living). Guardians, Lightbearers, back then, were called "Risen", named that way for being corpses brought back to life. But since D2 has been going on so long, and there's only been a single direct tie to D1's info (that i'm aware of, again, havent played since Quiria was destroyed), maybe that bit you mentioned was for the newcomers or those who just didnt know. Cause while Vanilla D2 worked off of the presence of data and accomplishments from D1 in its opening bits, i dont think any more recent stuff references what you might have succeeded at doing in D1, and even if it did, probably cant just skip a whole line of gameplay for people who went through the Rise of Iron DLC back in D1...
I really hope in the future we can form some sort of alliance or SOMETHING with savathuun. The hive guardians are so cool and id absolutely love to fight the darkness along side them. Its already super cool in the psyops to fight along side the cabal colossus. The darkness should be just as much a threat to savathuun as it is to us.
Then there is my crazy ass hunter who strategies like Warlock, acts like a trickster like a Hunter, and when all else fails. 1v1 Melees the enemy like a Titan.
Bungie took a millennia-old liar and schemer responsible for the mass genocide of entire galaxies, yet it’s still difficult watching her in this state without feeling sorry for her. Nobody, not even a Hive, deserves to die alone.
@@ShawndaPrawn It’s also sad because she was just a pawn. She was fed lies and ended up damning the Hive to an eternal blood tithe. The hive never had a future…
It’s funny how savethun was probably begging for her powers, then us THE guardian wakes up probably after doing some stupid shit capable of destroying and wielding gods
I like to think that probably if we just asked Savathun to join us at the beginning of the campaign she probably just accepted, not knowing who she was or what she was planning
While she was trying to protect the traveler I think she stretched the truth a little bit when she was about to die to make us regret it or something. If she knew this much about the traveler then she probably knew it would take our light away if she locked it in her throne world. She also knew that humanity would become extinct once the pyramids arrived so she really didn’t care about what happened to us. what good is the traveler for us if we can’t use it and we end up dying
she doesn't care about us, she cares about the greater conflict and she wants the traveler to be safe from the Witness, humanity is small potatoes to universal conflict, it isn't like she hates humanity, but to her, its the only way.
6:05 That one simple look is beautiful. It says "I understand your anger and am here for you". It says can "I don't want to step on your toes, can I say my piece". It says "were a team, now and forever". So much, in 2 seconds
i mean that would have been what i'd done to Crow... Be like "you get to live, because you are not He. but what He did, does not earn immortality. Live your second life as you will. you only get the *one*."
I got an ad for Witch Queen on this video...... I've already got it. Also, I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SAVATHUN!!! She didn't steak the Light and she wasn't exactly against us. Not entirely with us, but not entirely against us. She wanted to protect the Traveler. Though I'm starting to wonder if that's a good thing?
I'm 100% convinced Savathun does not care for us anything she has done to benefit us was to gain the favor of the Traveller so that this transaction we see in the cutscene can work out
Me and a friend of mine have theorized that the Traveler is an impartial eldritch entity that only wants a capable personal army for its own protection. This is making me think we were right.
Less Impartial but still an Eldritch entity. It's been established that this whole war Humanity found itself caught in is a long-standing "clash" between two existences, the Gardener and the Winnower. Both are trying to "prove their point" and are bending/twisting/skirting the "rules" of their "game". neither is "good" nor "evil" as we perceive it. they just Are. Think of them like the aliens at the end of Men In Black 1 (the OG one), playing marbles with entire galaxies.
She somehow saved humanity from the collapse by tricking the Witness away from the Traveler. She has been in certain ways instrumental in some victories the Vanguard has won without them even knowing it. She kept Osiris safe and somehow through cunning delayed the attacks of Xivu Arath. She grew tired of the sword logic and sacrificed herself as a result. Despite being a hive, through her acts she did earn the light.
Sidenote: I appreciate the inclusion of Saladin, Shaxx, Ana, and Saint in the meeting room. Even if I would have liked if they actually spoke (probably wasn't worth it to bring in the VAs for a single line of dialogue), I like that some of the most experienced warriors of the City are still being kept in the loop of what's going on.
Well, technically she swapped places with Osiris because she placed a rune on him, Savathun kept Osiris near the Last City before she traveled to the Dreaming City, but somewhere safe so that he wouldn't be harmed before making the switch.
So now humanity is trying to stop a “heist” of their light? Seems like we’re going the way of the Fallen. Assuming in our hubris that the Traveler chose us and belongs to us alone. Assuming that it’s unjustifiably abandoning us by choosing others. Is the whole story of destiny that sharing is caring?
From older D1 lore, the whole story of Destiny is that its a Game. A game to find the proper Way Forward, the Final Shape: Is the Truth, the One that stands Above All? or is the Truth, the All, standing Together As One? The Deep is about taking the strength of those you defeat as your own. "Let me ask you a question. Can i kill you?" If you live, you deserved to live. if you die, you deserved to die. The Sky is about uniting the strength of many. the "Safe space, lined by spears." however, as we've seen, the bringer of said Sky, the "Traveler" is flighty. its running from or being herded by, something. and every time that something showed up, it fled, leaving behind those it once 'protected'. The Truth of why the Traveler stayed is unknown. Seriously. There's lore that says it decided to stay and fight for once, but there's lore that also says its escape attempt was stopped by Rasputin and it had no other choice but to stay and try to fight. But while she may still be (unconsciously) filling her role as the Witch Queen, the Trickster, the Queen of Lies; Savathun raises a good point. Why not let us remember...if the Traveler was trying to give us reasons to stand and fight? especially since you _dont_ have to be dead, to be given the paracausal power known as the "Light".
I think it's more of us protecting what keeps us safe, we are now unquestionably on the side of humanity and NOT the Traveller. The Traveller is just helping us protect humanity because we protect it, should the Traveller choose to leave we will not chase it like the Fallen as that was never our goal
@@Guyy_1 Fallen are deprived of the traveler and grew reliant on it, so when the darkness came the eliksni were basically helpless. Not humanity though. Instead of relying on the traveler, we built on its benefits. Not to mention we have no issue using Darkness with Light.
The Light is all about cooperation, about sharing strength. The Darkness is all about survival of the fittest (the final shape) and taking strength. The Traveller goes around uplifting sapient species and empowering them. The Witness exterminates these species and only spares those it deems worthy of the Darkness, corrupting them to serve in its armies.
I remember when destiny first came out I theorized that all of the enemy factions in the game where the travellers previous hosts and that they came to our system chasing it. i was told i was dumb and that the aliens were there on their own unrelated agendas. screw you i was right
well not entirely right. The Fallen were chasing the Traveler cause she'd abandoned them and came to us and they were pissed/jealous/confused. The Hive had a *chance* at the Light, but were seduced by the Worm Gods to go to the Dark that is Deep instead. The Cabal kinda just stumbled on to us and the Traveler and the Light and its only cause of transmissions back to their home world that Calus, Ghaul and Caitl showed up. The Vex were doing their own thing in their own dimension when Savathun tricked Crota into Cutting a dimensional rift into their dimension while in Oryx's Throne World, and the Vex came through, analyzed enough of their surroundings to understand the "rules" of the new Reality, and were able to keep the gateway open long enough to start flooding out into our dimension en masse. So you were right about the Fallen but wrong as to the others.
Since we helped Savathun recover her memories, can you imagine the first few days of her going back to the Throne World, no memories, but everyone calling her Queen and asking what the next move is, I presume she just blundered her way through it all like 'Ah yes, we shall... Keep surviving like we always do...' or something like that.
This was an incredible twist, and Debra Wilson’s performance brought so much emotion to Savathun as a character….however there is one issue I have, buts it’s more so in regards to the vanguard meeting. Everyone acts like Savathun being made a guardian is a shocking and unfathomable idea, and to an extent it is, but my first though was how your ghost mentioned Immaru being a bully long before he threw in with the hive, and this is far from the first time a ghost has made a poor choice in regards to their lightbearer. The entire point of the dark age was that the first lightbearers were assholes who used their powers to opress everyone
Yes but they were always humans and fought for humanity. This is the first time a non-human has been chosen, that’s what shakes them. This isn’t a Ghost making a poor decision, this a Ghost being allowed to betray humanity entirely.
I was always in the core belief that the traveler itself was in amalgamation or a culmination of the community that cares about destiny. It explains a lot in the matters of wouldn't it be cool or wouldn't that be interesting or I'd like to see that being applied to a lot of it's actions. In the end I propose wouldn't it be nice to have Cayde 6 again.
Guardian: I don’t understand. Why did you give Savathun and her brood the Light? Traveller: honestly? We just thought it’d be pretty cool and interesting.
I think the traveler gave Savathun the light because he fears the witness/dark fleet. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend so Savathun, the Guardian and maybe other races later too will fight the witness because he is the enemy of them all.
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Girl actually went and said to the Traveller "You ain't got the balls to let me die"
And I love it
Am I the only person that absolutely loves the reaction Zavala gives here? Like hearing this suddenly has his walls crashing down around him on what he believed the Traveller was and what it wanted.
safety and nothing else the traveler could give a damn who it is as long as they provide safety from the threat that is the witness, and if the traveler’s so afraid of him imagine how powerful he must be i mean his disciple made the worm mother into a vegetable, The Witness can take planets and do with them whatever he pleases, i just hope he’s a boss that’s really dark souls levels of hard, and not just a bullet sponge
@@dream8870 Yeah one that makes you pray that they nerf but Bungie is like "Nah"
i went from "what happened to the Traveler" to "wtf Traveler"
Having his faith kicked out from underneath him, is it a shock he took it badly?
His reaction makes even more sense if you know what happened to Safiyah and Hakim (his wife and adopted son).
I have never respected an enemy as much as Savathun in Destiny. Not even Oryx. When a being of nothing but trickery earns something by faith.
Such a story arc reminds me of Jacob and God lowkey
@Goof Ball ,
Godspeed, You did us proud 🥺🖤
Idk man, back in the days of Kings Fall, I respected the hell out of Oryx lol
Naw I respect oryx. Because he's not gone... He was meant to die... To come back.
It seems to me they both had self interest in mind. The Traveller knew that Savathûn could keep it more safe than we could.
Debra Wilson is a phenomenal voice actress. Such a soothing voice that somehow doesn't mask the ancient and dangerous intelligence of Savathun. Props to her for her role in this expansion. She brought Savathun to life more than the Traveler itself.
Thanks for this i aws wondering who the voice actor was. Absolutely phenomenal👍
Not enough people talk about the music that plays while Savathûn talks to the traveler. It’s an inversion of savathûn’s song, and it sounds absolutely beautiful.
For some reason, it gives me old school Halo vibes.
@@SpinedLizardLagoon That's the first thing I heard, too. It brought me way back. 🥲
When I saw this scene, I was thinking to myself...
"Wait...she died after the ritual!? She kept Osiris outside the city walls in safety from our enemies, and when she died, she was given the Light by the Traveler?! She didn't steal the light?!"
This had got to be the biggest moment in Destiny's history and I love it!
What killed her in first place
@@FAISALMILAN Without her worm, her life was mortal and she was also wounded from the crystal that was a part of her prison that she pulled out.
@@FAISALMILAN Pretty much all her power came from the sword logic. Removing her worm essentially made her mortal again and weak without the logic
@Grasshopper yeah, remember the Krill don’t live long and are basically at the bottom of the food chain (on Fundament).
@@progenitor_amborella byf’s old lore videos back this up too funnily enough
The cutscenes in TWQ are such high quality, especially this one. They look like an actual movie. Not to mention the cinematography. Whenever both Savathun and the Traveler are both in frame, Savathun is always much smaller than the Traveler to show that she is giving herself to the Light. Chef's kiss.
It’s alright
It's alright
Except I wish they had better character design than a big eyed muppet for the Witness.
@@winkmurder When you're looking at the Witness head on, look at its head shape and the armor part covering its mouth at the center. It gives the illusion of a mechanical mouth and makes the Witness look kinda scary.
They usually are movie quality for the big ones look all the way back to Taken king still beautiful
She didn't want to destroy the traveler, she just wanted to protect it from, the darkness.
Are we sure that we're the good guys?
@@alexanderchon9058 Yeah, we have been doing the same thing. We were just fighting an unknown ally.
@@Putin_Gaming15 don't mistake protecting the Traveler and protecting humanity go hand in hand. Savathun gave the Traveler a safe place for it to stay, but doing that would doom humanity and the rest of us. We didn't want that. We are here to protect humanity, and we can't do it without the Traveler
@@xrstevenson Huh, so its a paradox. We need the thing that attracts the darkness to fight the darkness so as a result we are in perpetual war. It seems like this has been an unwinnable war since the beginning.
@@Putin_Gaming15 so from what i can gather, the Witness is the main problem. Darkness nor Light are good nor evil, but The Witness is using the dark for it's own game of cat and mouse against the Traveler. But the Traveler actually encourages us to use the Darkness, but who knows what the Witness is all about. Maybe there were billions of Travelers and the Witness used the Darkness and the Pyramid ships to destroy them all and our Traveler has been running ever since, trying to find help for itself
Savathunn showed devotion in her plan to wield the Light and carve a new fate by meticulously planning for millennia for this moment.
She showed bravery: knowing that, without her worm, her end was assured. She sacrificed her power, immortality and her very memories simply for a chance to be chosen by the Traveler and wield the Light.
And in that sacrifice, it lead to the death of everything Savathunn had ever been. Including herself.
She didn’t steal the Light. She become worthy of it.
A gamble and clever trick indeed.
The one thing Ghaul tried and failed at
It was actually said that The Traveller had already chosen Savathûn, Oryx and Xivu Arath back on Fundament, so The Witness, through the sisters father's Worm familiar, told them lies about the God Wave, and told them to seek out the Worm Gods (Turn away from The Sky and look to The Deep).
Savathûn couldn't become a Guardian because she was immortal through the bond with her Worm. She only became a Guardian because she died, and died on Earth, in close proximity to The Traveller. Savathûn is the only one of the three sisters to die without a Worm, and thus was able to be revived as a Guardian.
I think The Traveller has prerequisites for who it chooses to be a Guardian, and those prerequisites, if met, remain until that person/thing dies and is revived. So Savathûn was chosen on Fundament by meeting the prerequisites, but she didn't die until thousands of years later, that is when she was revived. At the time of assessment, Savathûn was worthy of the Light, and so she was always worthy, regardless of what she did since that initial assessment. Without her Worm, she didn't have the means to travel to her Throne World when she died (she had no paracausal abilities), so she truly died "pure" in a sense (No Darkness corruption), allowing The Traveller to revive her with a blank slate, filled with the Light.
TLDR; Savathûn, along with her sisters Oryx and Xivu Arath, was always worthy of the Light, as they were assessed on Fundament and deemed worthy, as stated by The Witness.
@@Fukushima_Akira love this but it was billions of years, not thousands. Brilliant retelling though!
@@Fukushima_Akira I wonder, does that mean that if a Ghost ever found Oryx's body, would he be resurrected as a guardian?
@@Fukushima_Akira this was,y theory as to why it gave her the light, because that was his plan all along. But what makes me curious is why he didn’t do the same to any fallen
Savathun's, and the Hive's, story is ultimately a tragedy. They sold themselves to Darkness for a lie
Yeah... tricked and become "the god of trickery"...
Trillions if not quadrillions of souls could of been saved had they heeded the leviathans warning and turned back, the krill would of been uplifted by the traveler. Everyone of the siblings also had doubts about the validity of their crusade, but at that point they couldnt get rid of the worm without killing off their entire species. Very much a tragic story
I LOVE how Zavala is no longer being depicted as the same, one-note character who doesn't have emotions. Seeing him slowly starting to have everything be believed torn out from under him is amazing and I REALLY hope they keep the momentum going with his character.
(I just hope that he doesn't turn evil because that would be A. Kinda dumb and B. Cliche.)
They've been planning this for Zavala for quite some time. If you read the journals from the future that the Exo Stranger came from, in it Zavala had his entire worldview crushed into dust, he lost all hope, then it rekindled and he fought against the end with every fiber he had left, his faith shifted from the Traveller who abandoned him and humanity, to humanity solely, believing we were worth saving.
I fell outta destiny a while ago, before forsaken, and I can tell you Zavala's cracks have been showing for a long time now. Red war started it, but warmind really put the screws on him. Apparently quite a few things since have been chipping away at his stoic nature.
@@Rexhunterj To be honest, I think Zavala's true devotion has always been to humanity.
sounds like you got your wish in season of the haunted
@@diegob1600 damn you beat me to it
This scene alone clears the entire dlc in Lightfall
Eris here is my favourite of the scene. She brings up the fact that the Traveller's history isn't so noble, but rather, a story of survival. Eris being cursed with Hive magic, while still being a human and once a guardian, may be the Vanguard's greatest adversary in the upcoming ending of the light-darkness saga.
Witch Queen was an absolute masterpiece, and another reason why the Destiny story grows with such anticipation.
*T H E L O R E*
Yes and her having evidence from the fallen to back her claim from the story mithrax and variks said
The Traveler wants to survive, Savathun wants to survive. A pretty straightforward relatable transactional relationship tbh
What lore? The games lore is trash and beyond convoluted. Witch Queen sucked, not as much as Lightfall but it was still ass
My one complaint with this DLC is that they made Savathunes ghost such a big obvious villain type. I feel like if they made him more like our ghost it would have really contributed to the themes of questionable morality from the story.
It feels like he's just big, rough and tough. I could see us working with Immaru in the future
A thing of note, we never actually /see/ Savathun's Ghost speak. Sure, we are TOLD that it is the one giving out the patrols and speaking in our ear during transmissions, but I personally think that it's Fynch. Think about it, he IS just as chatty as every other Ghost we've seen speak, is his own person. We already know for a fact that the Hive Ghosts aren't random ghosts brought over to her side, but one's made new from the Traveler wholecloth. So if someone on the enemy side says "Oh, it's THAT guy, he's a famous Ghost you all know juuuust enough to believe is a real Ghost, but not enough about to actually be able to fact check anything he's talking about." then where is the proof that any of that setup is true?
TLDR; I think Fynch is Savathun's Ghost, he fits more themes than the "Big Tough Strong Guy" ghost we are told is hers.
@@C.O.R.E_Supermacy
We literally see her ghost after she died before said ghost got teleported
Immaru was a giant asshole before he found Savathun apparently according to our ghost
@@joshaboi7467 Man thatd be such a shit thing for them to do
The music, the lighting, the framing, cinematography, dialogue are all PERFECT.
10/10 cutscene
if you find which song it is out of the soundtrack let me know
@@kobemartin4855 Hymn
Too bad about the writing.
Of the entire speech, Savathun asking “Is that it?” is what got me. She has had a crazy story, wiped out whole galaxies, and decided the universe’s greatest.
But this is how it ended. Just expiring alone, with one final plea to a power greater than herself.
Guess I’m a sucker for humble ends for larger than life villains.
Right? It’s like the exact opposite of Ghaul, who in his arrogance, proclaimed himself a god and believed he had become all powerful and immortal, only to be struck down in mere moments by the traveler.
@@loganmiles7836 It's a bit sad that the Red War campaign was removed along with the others. I liked Ghaul, he was a pretty tragic character
Wait who created the traveler
@@peaceLove777Love Itself
@@roberttheronin9803 how ?
“Wouldn’t it be clever of you…if after everything…you simply let me die?”
Is it weird that that line almost moves me to tears each time?
It seems to me that in that moment, Savathun started doubting her own plan would work. Even if she met the criteria for becoming a Guardian, she acknowledged there was still a chance she wouldn’t come back. She was practically begging for a second chance from the god-like entity she had been actively hunting for billions of years. This was the Witch Queen at her most vulnerable. Not only was she already dying from her exorcism in the Dreaming City, but this was the one time she couldn’t rely on her usual resources of information and people to manipulate. She was effectively gambling with her life and knew everything she was depended entirely on the Traveller’s judgement.
What I enjoyed from this is the fact that the others became not only suspicious but jealous after she was granted the Light. As if it was their right alone when really it’s the Traveler who deemed her worthy.
I love how this cutscene alone made me actually feel something for a moth alien, I felt more emotion with a moth alien dying than most of all cinematic deaths in all of video game and film history, why the hell is Bungie so good at their work?
Idk, but what I do know is that they should be the lead producers of the halo series, not paramount or whoever it is right now ☠️ Literally the cutscenes in halo 5 were better than some of the shots in the new series
No hate to Bungie this is a great cutscene but you must have not played many games or watched many movies if you think this is the most emotional death scene you've ever seen
@@scruffmaster0185 yet they also make the worst decisions for their games and make shit writing unless the feel like going slightly harder
Yeah, clearly you haven't played much games then
You don’t play or watch much of anything then..
4:17 notice this shot. Ikora is off to the side, physically isolated from the others in the room, half-covered in Shadow. She is uncertain, doubtful, questioning.
Zavala is facing the Guardian, facing Ana and Saint and everyone else who has sacrificed for Humanity.
And his back is turned to the Traveler...
rip Lance "Zavala" reddick
Savathun's greatest trick was so thought out. Savathun separated herself from her worm in order to truly be killed (and separated from the worm that forces her to lie and kill so she can stay alive) because she knew the Traveler would revive her. The God of Deception successfully deceived The Witness and his disciples, planned to completely seal the Traveler away in her Throne World effectively cutting it off of our reality, and the Witness would never get to it. Meanwhile Savathun is forever safe, and in time would have defeated Rhulk herself as its pretty obvious the Traveler was on her side in the last mission.
Hands down one of the best characters ever made, tied with Raistlin Majere for me. So many aspects to one being. Really hope she returns since her ghost is still with the traveler. Amazing story telling.
same here I really would love to she her reapear
Raistlin. That gave me chills !
Andddd she’s back.
“Raistlin Majere”
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time…a very long time indeed.
I loved this whole thing. But how did our guardian not notice that on the second memory the darn eyes wernt looking to the side. They were staring right at us. We were being watched.
Oh damn….
@@demoknight1951 did you see it too. I went into the campaign blind so I was surprised more people didn't catch it
@@Aztesticals yeah I was kinda freaked out
Plot induced stupidity.
i need to see this
Really felt sorry for her. Been playing since D1 and I've never seen such an emotional (Cayden is unique) cutscene like this. Can't wait to see what the future expansions will bring.
Same. This made me super emotional.
What about cayde-6?
Maybe they'll remove another chunk of the game. Could be fun.
Future expansions will bring a severe lightening of your bank account: you can bet on that.
Future expansions will bring same thing past ones have. Recycled content and reused assets. And more paid DLC that is just grinding for the same 6 reskins. Yeah nice cutscene though.
Me, while Ghost was being annoying and bitching about Savathun stealing the light: You know what, maybe she just asked the Traveler really nicely.
Me during this scene: Oh my god she legit just asked really nicely...
It seems the most full proof way to get any thing from most gods is to kiss ass until you get what you want from them.
Right?? Same. I'm absolutely gobsmacked.
Ghost please 🥺👉👈
Bro fuck outta here, Ghost was right
lmaoo 🤣
I honestly felt really bad for Savathun she just wanted to die. But I trusted her and now I trust her even more after that witness cutscene
" i trust in the God of the lie "
I honestly think that this shows something about the traveler that not many consider, in game or out. The traveler never really cared about anything, it just wants to be protected from the witness. This means that it'll give up it's power and make guardians to protect it, no matter who or what it is. I recall at one point the traveler had chosen the fallen, but they failed miserably and he moved on. Humanity is still being created into guardians because they really have not failed. But, what happens when the traveler begins to doubt even humanity? It moves on to something else. And the hive, despite everything, is a good way to show in the darkest places, a drop of light can shine brightest.
That's why I think this is gonna play into something more. Think about it, the traveler must be aware of the witness and what's coming, and is beginning to believe that humanity may not be enough. So start making guardians out of everyone who can be considered worthy. Why not more Fallen? Maybe a vex or two? The Cabal? Just because something was doesn't mean it must always be. And if the witness is as powerful as we are being made to believe, then we will need as many allies (and guardians) as we can grab. It's not just about humanity anymore...it's about preventing total extinction.
OK...interesting. Would players choose to be a Cabal Guardian, or a Vex Guardian, or a Hive guardian, or a Scorn Guardian? Opens up a lot of interesting play builds, doesn't it? Hmmmm...
@@perihelion7798 If we ever get a destiny 3, I see it being Human/Exo/Awoken as a warlock, Fallen as a hunter, and Cabal as a titan.
@@AxisChurchDevotee I see me not playing it, as it costs me at least $220.00 a year. I won't pay it = a year of Game Pass Ultimate, and the four season passes. It's technically 'Free To Play' , but not very much playing is actually free.
I guess it may be fine for folks to try it out, but it is an expensive game to stay in.
Kinda sad, because I played the beta of Destiny, and the beta of Destiny 2, so I have stayed with it for many years.
the basis for your argument is flawed, sorry to say, as the traveler cares more about winning its wager with the darkness than it cares about being protected. this is shown in the unveiling lore book from shadowkeep, if you wanna read it
@@x6568tank I don't wanna read it, but I will take what you say as true. Note that Destiny lore is very 'flexible' to be sure. Also, I have seen a lot of Byf's videos on the Destiny lore, but I am no expert.
God this cutscene is the best in the series. Everything from the music to the twist to Debra Wilson's amazing performance. I never thought a Destiny cutscene would actually make me feel anything other than "I'm gonna kill that guy later"
"If there is an answer, I don't hear it.
Because now the world begins to fade..."
Worst part of this was for me, when I read the raid ghost shell's lore. The Traveller oversees or has a certain say in who or what is chosen by a ghost. They let Savathun be chosen. but then I was left wondering why? As an experiment? a test for us? Perhaps even an ally in the fight against The Witness. I suppose we'll have to wait to see what happens.
because she would’ve in a sense kept the traveler safe from the witness, if you haven’t figured it out by now the traveler is only trying to survive with the best method, it really doesn’t care who is chosen just so long as it can keep it safe from the witness, savathun failed at it so the traveler came back to humanity, who i also believe will fail once the witness arrives
Self preservation
The traveler: I do not test... I teach... only some will know what refrence this is from
@@RayoBeatz Sidious?
She was chosen because she was always worthy of being a guardian. All the three sisters were but they were tricked
I laughed so fricking hard when the worm wobbled when Zavala slammed the table 🤣
After all these year of Savathun tricking us, this is the most satisfying moment in destiny. Not because she dies, but because for the first time since she was Sathona she’s being genuine. No lies, no tricks, just “Well, here I am. Do with me as you please.”
This cutscene is incredible! I love it how it demonstrates Savathûn’s rich character arc
The voice actor nailed it. She nailed it like Lance nailed Zavala. You hear those voices outside the game and it's an "AhA" moment.
Did anyone honestly think that Savathun *WASNT* listening to the memories we were gathering
Like its Savathun
She realized some time ago that the light is far easier to keep someone immortal rather than the darkness. That's almost the entire reason she went to the traveler.
0:41 This speech is one of the best ones in Destiny so far IMO.
1:31 Made me nearly tear up
3:08 Cool too.
DarksideRoyalty doesn't like it
This has to one of my favourite destiny cutscenes ever. Such a great moment in our history and I loved it
Imagine completing The Witch Queen just to not be told exactly how Savathun got the light
That’s what playing Lightfall felt like.
More like not knowing who savathun is
Witch queen was so well done bro 😩
They really know how to build up Zavala's doubts. They REALLY came to a head in The Final Shape, and man, did he pay the ultimate price for that.
Me who finished the campaign: so.....how do you think she stole it?
My brother who hasn't finished it yet: I don't know....she took a shard of the traveler? Destiny's story is too predictable...
Me: mhmm..
Brother: *finally gets to this scene* w-.......what? What!?! I don't understand?!? How did she steal it?!?!?!?!?
Me: she didn't....and there's more.
Brother: MORE!?!?!
Me:
Lmao Destiny’s story has been pretty good the moment season of the Chosen came out.
what's ironic is that your brother is partially right.
Back in D1, the Hive *DID* steal a shard of the Traveler. we killed them and brought it back, of course, but they DID. and they've been draining Light from Guardians for centuries.
They know a _lot_ about the depths of both the Dark AND the Light, at this point...
If you think about it
For the past year savathun have done many things in her way that benefited us
She did good thongs before dying and maybe that's why she got chosen
not just the past year, but ever since the red war, we know savathun had her spys it wouldn't Suprise me if she had something on ghauls ship and was listening to his conversations with the speaker, like the one where he tells ghaul to kill himself, savathun took that quite literally, she took the ultimate sacrifice
Or perhaps her plan to bring the Traveler into her throneworld could better guarantee it’s safety than humanity from the Witness
She was chosen because the traveler already saw the hive as worth as light. The traveler chooses strong willed people who can be warriors. Her being chosen by a ghost only happened because 1. The Traveler already wanted the hive to have the light 2. The Hive couldn’t have the light because of the worm god pact.
@@Caleonn
Yeah but the actions she committed before being chosen were somewhat.... Noble?
Savathun getting the light is one of the best cutscenes in the game, if not THE best. It's visually stunning, the music is amazing and the way it plays out works absolutely perfectly. I could go on forever about everything I love about this cutscene.
The most terrifying answer none of us ever considered.
How did Savathun steal the Light?
She didn't.
She succeeded where Ghaul failed.... and was chosen.
And we killed her
Lol
Savathun's death is pretty interesting. Watching a several billion year old bug/crustacean god of decite and lies die alone on some tiny rock outcropping bordering the slums of a human city. I mean imagine razing your way through entire galaxies building and scheming and subsuming for eons. Surrounded by trillions of your soldiers and worshipers. Only to die next to a few mud huts on a backwater world like random gutter trash. The strongest thing about Destiny has always been its story in my opinion.
Ever since Beyond Light, the story has truly taken off.
This is Destiny finally at its highest.
@@ValentinoMarino11 now destiny is at its lowest
Ikora: If Savathun takes the Traveler we lose our light!
Eris: Wow that sounds awful 👁️👁️👄👁️
This cutscene alone is better than LF campaign 🖕🏿
I don't think we've seen the last of Savathun. I have a feeling she will be back.
"Devotion inspires bravery"
"Bravery inspires sacriface"
"Sacriface inspires ?????"
Death. As the Speaker told Ghaul. As Riven referenced to Uldren.
sacrifice leads to death
Sacrifice leads to death
sacrifice leads to death
Sacrifice leads to death
(2:02)-those last thoughts🤧
(3:11)-She remembers
(5:51)-Ikora’s iron reasoning steels Zavala’s wavering faith to remind us why we fight-humanity and the last city, NOT just the traveler.
Let's be honest.....We kinda knew this was coming....We embraced the power from Darkness, but didn't completely fall into it....We stand side of light, but started to questioning about that is it really Traveler is true justice....And now, Traveler is starting asking itself as...'Is humanity really worthy as Guardian?'
So your final statement is good if you know the lore but any not-in-the-know people would take that wrong haha.
The death sequence should have been at the end of last season. With where they put it, it felt like they were unveiling a twist that both didnt feel relevant at that point in the story, and put a dramatic cut to black that would've felt a lot better than last seasons ending cutscene which was pretty lackluster.
Cool twist, but being a guardian we could already assume she lost her memory, but it also felt contrived because the memories were already in her throne world to begin with. They turned it into a fetch quest for exposition. The twist of the worms lying was good enough, we didnt need to go in pretending we were confused about the fundamentals of how raising a guardian works.
seeing as i havent played in a LONG time (last time was...just before Witch Queen i think. when the Vex had the Last City in a Simulation) i feel like they did this for more the people who started with D2. the whole thing you mentioned about "pretending we were confused about the fundamentals of how raising a guardian works."
D1 established the Dark Age: a time where there were no Guardians. When Ghosts were freshly created for the first time (which already infers that the Fallen, or rather Eliksni were given the Light while they still were living). Guardians, Lightbearers, back then, were called "Risen", named that way for being corpses brought back to life.
But since D2 has been going on so long, and there's only been a single direct tie to D1's info (that i'm aware of, again, havent played since Quiria was destroyed), maybe that bit you mentioned was for the newcomers or those who just didnt know.
Cause while Vanilla D2 worked off of the presence of data and accomplishments from D1 in its opening bits, i dont think any more recent stuff references what you might have succeeded at doing in D1, and even if it did, probably cant just skip a whole line of gameplay for people who went through the Rise of Iron DLC back in D1...
So awesome that Debra Wilson from Madtv voiced Savathun! Pure talent! Made me laugh as a kid now voices in video games I play.
This is the single best story telling we’ve seen in destiny’s now long history… and it’s absolutely awesome. Need more like this in the final shape
I really hope in the future we can form some sort of alliance or SOMETHING with savathuun. The hive guardians are so cool and id absolutely love to fight the darkness along side them. Its already super cool in the psyops to fight along side the cabal colossus. The darkness should be just as much a threat to savathuun as it is to us.
It seems we are getting to it. 😎
Now I want to play as a simple Fallen that can barely take 2 shots. Anyone can have the light and I like it
I'll stick by this, Witch Queen was better than The Taken King. This twist was so good
Savathun: you revived me, why?
Traveler: hmm... battle pass
RIP Commander Zavala
06:08 maybe the traveller feels regret for the countless civilization it has abandoned
When you play as a Warlock and walk out with Ikora with the worm, it's like step aside Titans and Hunters, let the big brains handle this.
Then there is my crazy ass hunter who strategies like Warlock, acts like a trickster like a Hunter, and when all else fails. 1v1 Melees the enemy like a Titan.
@@akirandrake414 *dies from cringe*
@@akirandrake414 of course you're a hunter lmao
I have hunter and titan. I primarily snipe with Hunter and just get as high as I can to use Titan Arc ult.
"I shall nurture, and I shall grow."
-My hivelock.
Hopefully, we see her return eventually during the year of the Witch Queen.
Idk why but this felt somewhat tragic
Bungie took a millennia-old liar and schemer responsible for the mass genocide of entire galaxies, yet it’s still difficult watching her in this state without feeling sorry for her. Nobody, not even a Hive, deserves to die alone.
@@ShawndaPrawn It’s also sad because she was just a pawn.
She was fed lies and ended up damning the Hive to an eternal blood tithe. The hive never had a future…
An eons old entity that chased power through lies and cunning makes herself meek and vulnerable to express genuine truth and faith in a higher power.
It’s funny how savethun was probably begging for her powers, then us THE guardian wakes up probably after doing some stupid shit capable of destroying and wielding gods
I like to think that probably if we just asked Savathun to join us at the beginning of the campaign she probably just accepted, not knowing who she was or what she was planning
That's how you make a compelling antagonist. Everyone can relate to death. No matter the species.
While she was trying to protect the traveler I think she stretched the truth a little bit when she was about to die to make us regret it or something. If she knew this much about the traveler then she probably knew it would take our light away if she locked it in her throne world. She also knew that humanity would become extinct once the pyramids arrived so she really didn’t care about what happened to us. what good is the traveler for us if we can’t use it and we end up dying
she doesn't care about us, she cares about the greater conflict and she wants the traveler to be safe from the Witness, humanity is small potatoes to universal conflict, it isn't like she hates humanity, but to her, its the only way.
@@keithfilibeck2390 She does....
6:05 That one simple look is beautiful. It says "I understand your anger and am here for you". It says can "I don't want to step on your toes, can I say my piece". It says "were a team, now and forever". So much, in 2 seconds
most beautiful cinematic in emotion that I could see in a video game. Savathûn (Debra Wilson) is INCREDIBLE !
this scene still gives me goosebumps. witchqueen was such a banger of a dlc
I love how this proves we basically commit war crimes against the Light Hive by killing their ghosts.
i mean that would have been what i'd done to Crow...
Be like "you get to live, because you are not He. but what He did, does not earn immortality. Live your second life as you will. you only get the *one*."
@@Xenmaru00 Glint deserves better than that, even if you still have this irrational hatred of Uldren's revived body.
I’m so frustrated that we went from this masterpiece to light fall.
I got an ad for Witch Queen on this video...... I've already got it. Also, I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SAVATHUN!!! She didn't steak the Light and she wasn't exactly against us. Not entirely with us, but not entirely against us. She wanted to protect the Traveler. Though I'm starting to wonder if that's a good thing?
I'm 100% convinced Savathun does not care for us anything she has done to benefit us was to gain the favor of the Traveller so that this transaction we see in the cutscene can work out
@@Guyy_1 Traveler would've uplifted Savathûn and her race eons ago, like billions of years, if it wasn't for the Darkness coaxing her to their side.
The creature design is truly amazing, an epic combination of exoskeleton & noble dress.
Me and a friend of mine have theorized that the Traveler is an impartial eldritch entity that only wants a capable personal army for its own protection. This is making me think we were right.
Less Impartial but still an Eldritch entity. It's been established that this whole war Humanity found itself caught in is a long-standing "clash" between two existences, the Gardener and the Winnower.
Both are trying to "prove their point" and are bending/twisting/skirting the "rules" of their "game". neither is "good" nor "evil" as we perceive it. they just Are.
Think of them like the aliens at the end of Men In Black 1 (the OG one), playing marbles with entire galaxies.
She somehow saved humanity from the collapse by tricking the Witness away from the Traveler. She has been in certain ways instrumental in some victories the Vanguard has won without them even knowing it. She kept Osiris safe and somehow through cunning delayed the attacks of Xivu Arath. She grew tired of the sword logic and sacrificed herself as a result. Despite being a hive, through her acts she did earn the light.
"And in these moments, I look to the sky."
in these moments, she finally listened to the being that millenia ago, had told her "seek not the Deep, instead, look to the Sky."
Sidenote: I appreciate the inclusion of Saladin, Shaxx, Ana, and Saint in the meeting room. Even if I would have liked if they actually spoke (probably wasn't worth it to bring in the VAs for a single line of dialogue), I like that some of the most experienced warriors of the City are still being kept in the loop of what's going on.
savathun made it all the way from the dreaming city to earth while on her death bed! Wow!
Well, technically she swapped places with Osiris because she placed a rune on him, Savathun kept Osiris near the Last City before she traveled to the Dreaming City, but somewhere safe so that he wouldn't be harmed before making the switch.
So now humanity is trying to stop a “heist” of their light? Seems like we’re going the way of the Fallen. Assuming in our hubris that the Traveler chose us and belongs to us alone. Assuming that it’s unjustifiably abandoning us by choosing others.
Is the whole story of destiny that sharing is caring?
From older D1 lore, the whole story of Destiny is that its a Game. A game to find the proper Way Forward, the Final Shape: Is the Truth, the One that stands Above All? or is the Truth, the All, standing Together As One?
The Deep is about taking the strength of those you defeat as your own. "Let me ask you a question. Can i kill you?" If you live, you deserved to live. if you die, you deserved to die.
The Sky is about uniting the strength of many. the "Safe space, lined by spears." however, as we've seen, the bringer of said Sky, the "Traveler" is flighty. its running from or being herded by, something. and every time that something showed up, it fled, leaving behind those it once 'protected'.
The Truth of why the Traveler stayed is unknown. Seriously. There's lore that says it decided to stay and fight for once, but there's lore that also says its escape attempt was stopped by Rasputin and it had no other choice but to stay and try to fight.
But while she may still be (unconsciously) filling her role as the Witch Queen, the Trickster, the Queen of Lies; Savathun raises a good point. Why not let us remember...if the Traveler was trying to give us reasons to stand and fight?
especially since you _dont_ have to be dead, to be given the paracausal power known as the "Light".
To quote Ikora, "I don't know, and it doesn't matter.
As long as we get cool looking guns and armour, the story doesn't really matter much.
I think it's more of us protecting what keeps us safe, we are now unquestionably on the side of humanity and NOT the Traveller. The Traveller is just helping us protect humanity because we protect it, should the Traveller choose to leave we will not chase it like the Fallen as that was never our goal
@@Guyy_1 Fallen are deprived of the traveler and grew reliant on it, so when the darkness came the eliksni were basically helpless.
Not humanity though. Instead of relying on the traveler, we built on its benefits. Not to mention we have no issue using Darkness with Light.
The Light is all about cooperation, about sharing strength. The Darkness is all about survival of the fittest (the final shape) and taking strength. The Traveller goes around uplifting sapient species and empowering them. The Witness exterminates these species and only spares those it deems worthy of the Darkness, corrupting them to serve in its armies.
I remember when destiny first came out I theorized that all of the enemy factions in the game where the travellers previous hosts and that they came to our system chasing it. i was told i was dumb and that the aliens were there on their own unrelated agendas. screw you i was right
well not entirely right.
The Fallen were chasing the Traveler cause she'd abandoned them and came to us and they were pissed/jealous/confused. The Hive had a *chance* at the Light, but were seduced by the Worm Gods to go to the Dark that is Deep instead. The Cabal kinda just stumbled on to us and the Traveler and the Light and its only cause of transmissions back to their home world that Calus, Ghaul and Caitl showed up.
The Vex were doing their own thing in their own dimension when Savathun tricked Crota into Cutting a dimensional rift into their dimension while in Oryx's Throne World, and the Vex came through, analyzed enough of their surroundings to understand the "rules" of the new Reality, and were able to keep the gateway open long enough to start flooding out into our dimension en masse.
So you were right about the Fallen but wrong as to the others.
The creature design is truly amazing, the exoskeleton resembles a dress.
Since we helped Savathun recover her memories, can you imagine the first few days of her going back to the Throne World, no memories, but everyone calling her Queen and asking what the next move is, I presume she just blundered her way through it all like 'Ah yes, we shall... Keep surviving like we always do...' or something like that.
This was an incredible twist, and Debra Wilson’s performance brought so much emotion to Savathun as a character….however there is one issue I have, buts it’s more so in regards to the vanguard meeting.
Everyone acts like Savathun being made a guardian is a shocking and unfathomable idea, and to an extent it is, but my first though was how your ghost mentioned Immaru being a bully long before he threw in with the hive, and this is far from the first time a ghost has made a poor choice in regards to their lightbearer. The entire point of the dark age was that the first lightbearers were assholes who used their powers to opress everyone
Yes but they were always humans and fought for humanity. This is the first time a non-human has been chosen, that’s what shakes them. This isn’t a Ghost making a poor decision, this a Ghost being allowed to betray humanity entirely.
@@nevermore7285warlords did not fight for humanity
It's incredible how emotive her face is despite being so inhuman.
I feel like I can see all the emotions on her face
Hearing Lance's voice in this cutscene makes me wanna cry, he is an astonishing VA
I was always in the core belief that the traveler itself was in amalgamation or a culmination of the community that cares about destiny. It explains a lot in the matters of wouldn't it be cool or wouldn't that be interesting or I'd like to see that being applied to a lot of it's actions. In the end I propose wouldn't it be nice to have Cayde 6 again.
Guardian: I don’t understand. Why did you give Savathun and her brood the Light?
Traveller: honestly? We just thought it’d be pretty cool and interesting.
Her story hits even more when you find out hat before this, her devotion to the worm gods, the only desire she had was to become a loving mother.
I think the traveler gave Savathun the light because he fears the witness/dark fleet. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend so Savathun, the Guardian and maybe other races later too will fight the witness because he is the enemy of them all.
I love that they are going with the original idea for Destiny. That the Traveler isn’t an absolute good force.
The voice acting for this one was pure gold.
The Traveler has gotta be lawful neutral. If you're worthy, you're worthy. Like a big ol Mjolnir meatball.
Even though I still hated her for every thing she did I couldn't help myself for feeling sad at her death
I can't believe this was already half a year ago
OMG bungie did an amazing work with this expansion ... is the best ever ... master piece thanks bungie ❤️
"Bravery Inspires Devotion, Devotion Inspires Sacrifice, Sacrifice inspires New Life."
Lightfall had NONE of this…
Lightfall had no emotion or soul whatsoever, and for that it's the worst expansion
Lightfall was when Bungie started going woke. DEI hires, pronouns in their bios, and much more.
@@iSneedYouChuckyou are so wrong
You’re right, it was there before
I’m not gonna lie this rivals ‘Last stand of the Gunslinger’ as Destiny’s best cutscene. Music, animation, voice acting all on point.
I laughed when you finally killed her and her ghost was like. " ima head out" lol
Devotion inspires bravery, bravery inspires sacrifice, sacrifice leads to death.
Speaker of the last city