I think my favourite minor detail from this book is Borgio the Besiegers "Mace of Might" which is a cannonball that failed to kill him that he made into a mace, which can still hit as hard as an actual cannon.
I dont think this is the actual justification for Borgio’s, but the concept sparked a cool idea in my head. In Morrowind, a giant meteor is held above a city in stasis, NOT stopped conventional, and if the effect lifts, it will return to its original momentum. the idea of an enchantment that “holds” the velocity of a cannon ball in stasis until it hits sounds epic.
It does make sense atleast in this version of FB, Some people are capable of willing their renown into reality even without their knowledge (Look at Old empire and bretonnian armybooks) as some sort of martial magic similar to how faith work being based on belief
The piece of epic GW logic you missed in this book is the fluff for why the Birdmen of Catrazza can move and shoot with their crossbows, because the flying contraption uses their feet to move, so they have their hands free to move and fire. Because apparently normal crossbowmen, who can only move OR shoot, use their hands to move? Best fluff ever.
@Lind Morn I imagine that they have a different kind of crossbow, not one with a foot stirrup. But the text in the codex says they can move and shoot BECAUSE they have both their hands free. If you give a crossbowman on foot that crossbow, wouldn't he also be able to move and shoot with that? I can't think of a real reason why being stuck to a flying machine that requires you to move your feet in a very rhythmic pattern would give you any advantage in reloading hands or no hands. I checked the art and the models, and the crossbows do not have a winch or any foot stirrup. It's a big mystery.
I think the real reason why birdmen of catrazza could fly and shoot is because as a flying unit they have to had a certain minimal speed or they just stall and crash.
Golgfag's dudes became so famous they were reprinted in ogres army book as a unique unit of "construct your own squad", where you got essentially a squad of lesser heroes who all had a sizable equipment list available to them. So, not only the most famous mercenary ogre became famous himself, he dragged his dudes along with him.
I think this codex exists because the Perry Twins said to GW "if you want us to design a dozen different Imperial Guard regiments, you also have to let us design a dozen different types of historically accurate Italian pikemen, or else"
These guys and commander bernhardt of shadow of the horned rat/dark omen (Also a mercenary band) are my wishlist guys, would love to see them return in some form, even if minor rewrites are needed Would also increase their chances of receiving models for old world, which would be lovely
I believe one reason why this book had so many pikeman variants was that this army was the only one that had pikes at all - their rules were not available anywhere else. And from memory pikes were very powerful (something like fighting in four ranks as well as one or two other situational bonuses)
Always strike first and +1S vs cavalry if memory serves. Fluff-wise the Empire should have pikes, not spears, as they fight in the fashion of the Estalian (read Portuguese) tercio but I Always figured that GW was afraid of pikes as little Jimmy will inevitably poke his, or someone else's, eye out with them. Also white metal pikes are, and were, absolute bobbins (there's a reason why historical gamers use brass or steel rod for them).
@@blastvader That sounds about right rules-wise. And yeah, many armies that use spears can have arguments for pikes, at least ones with any experience in facing cavalry... but as you say, model wise they were a pain. All the pike units were metal, and I don't think the plastic of the day would have done much better, plus transport and storage would have been a nightmare. And ruleswise I think having them be more widespread would have had them be somewhat op or they would need to be really pricey.
@@blastvader The *Nuln* army in particular was at one point noted for using pikes, as it was said to have been influenced by the Tilean style of warfare, and I think way back in 3rd edition the Empire could field units with pikes, but the core they were built around was always halbadiers.
@blastvader counter points: 1) You can use regular spears in a tercio. Many irl pikemen shortened their pikes to spear length*, aditionally the terfio in and of itself is just a square of pole arm troops supported by crossbowmen swordmen (tercio is named after the 3 kinds of troops). 2) estalia is never mentioned as useing pikemen tercios only glaivemen tercios. Other points: 1) speaking of irl pikemen shortening their pikes. Pikes are unwieldly weapons ill suited to uneven terrain or terrain with lots of trees and bushes. Most of the empire in warhammer fantasy is densely wooded to a much higher degree than irl Renaissance Europe. Meaning empire pikemen would likely shorten their pikes much more often than irl pikemen assuming they ever even adopt pikes. It must also be noted the greeks/Macedonians started to abandon the pike because shorter spears are so much more useful in the hilly and mountainous terrain of Greece and the fact men were shortening them anyway. 2) Furthermore pikes are not as good against cavalry as is commonly believed (many people see them as a hard counter to cavalry). It's only the combination of pike and gunpowder that is super effective against cavalry, as the shot breaks up the cavalry formation. Properly formed lance cavalry more often than not will break even braced pikemen. Even the famous Swiss pikes regularly broke to frontal cavalry charges by undisrupted cavalry. Its been shown lancers can and will parry the vast majority of unwieldy pikes, so if the cav maintain formation the pikemen are simply unable to land a hit. Cavalry braking though even elite pikemen became so common standard pike formaitons included units of halberdiers behind the like block to counter the cavlry breakthroughs before they cna do serious harm. The Dutch (considered masters of the pike at the time) manuals for pikmen actually state cavalry as the biggest threat to pikemen even after the introduction of gunpowder, and the main enemy for pikemen was actually other infantry. ->even pistoliers are very effective against pikes. Their point blank pistol shots can break up the pike formation opening up routes to break through. Although this happened less often, as while cavalry numbers were maintained (infact expanded), by % they decreased as human populations were able to expand due to improved tech but horse populations remained similar in size. Thus cavalry became more valuable and thus used less aggressively. But it still happened. 3) for the idea every people experianced against cavalry would adopt the pike, I would point to Eastern Europe. Where the pike never became popular despite cavalry being far more numerous a foe and the pike being a well known weapon. Regular spearmen combined with shot were the prefurred anti-cavalry infantry in Eastern Europe (and China for that matter). My point is pike is not really an anti-cavalry troop. They are spearmen with some aditional advantages (espeically against other spearmen) and some aditonal disadvantages. Sorry for the large blocks of text. Tldr: the empire has many reasons not to use pikes and pikes are not hard cavalry counters.
An unfortunate anecdote relating to the Dogs of War army - as many people will know, Michael Perry lost a hand due to a cannon misfire, and learned to sculpt using his offhand instead (which he still does to this day). The Perry twins sculpted most of the historically inspired miniatures from the DoW line, and were invited to play their debut battle report in WD225. The first thing that happened, in the first turn of that game, was one of their galloper guns misfired and exploded. I cannot imagine the horrified silence that must have descended around the table in that moment. I can only hope/assume, given that the batrep still went to print, that he took it in his stride - if so, power to him, I think I'd have struggled in his position. To add insult to insult, the mercs got slaughtered, with most units underperforming except the ogres and the dwarf pirates, neither of which were their models!
"I can only hope/assume, given that the batrep still went to print, that he took it in his stride..." A podcast (I've forgotten whom) was interviewing the Perry brothers about sculpting recently and they got onto the topic of flash and injection points on miniatures, at which point they said something about miniatures suffering "misshapen elbows." Apparently Michael kind of waved his arm with the missing hand as a visual joke, but the host wasn't sure how to explain the joke to the audience without risking offending Michael, who luckily jumped in and ended the awkwardness by finishing the sentence for them. So I can only imagine that he took that event in pretty good spirits too, even if it was many years closer to the incident.
I was told, during the brief period I worked for GW, that he would bring the video out at parties. He was using the sponge on a cannon (the sheepskin on a stick thing that they swab the barrel with) during a Napoleonic reenactment and pushed an errant spark back down the barrel where there was still an amount of unburnt powder, this promptly did what it was meant to and exploded sending the sponge, and his lower right arm that was using to hold onto it, out across the field of 'battle'.
@@blastvader Jesus Christ, re-enactors are metal as hell. My dad took an axe to the face on my 14th birthday and lost most of his teeth in the process. Don't think he'd have gone so far as to share video footage though!
Thought I would mentioned this may have gotten a solo book instead of being put in other books, potentially because of the popularity of the Warhammer: Dark Omen video game released that same year. A game where you played as commander Morgan Bernhardt, and his mercenary army. Leading a campaign on behalf of the Empire, against the Ork greens skins and later the undead. It was quite a good game for its time. Just kind of related as they are both warhammer mercenary army things.
Theres a frivolous and fun in these that feels like it's missing from the modern gaming sphere. This is what made warhammer popular and so fun. The self seriousness only works when it's balanced by realizing how utterly asinine it all is
Just started the video so it'll probably be answered, but did this book explain as to _how_ Lizardmen could use them as allies? Since Lizardmen had a 0% point allocation for allies within their army book (at least from what I remember).
Fun fact: Many of the mercenaries would return in modern Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, allowing you to play crossbowmen with pavises called "Siege Specialists", with art that looks a lot like those Briganza fellows, Pikemen (take your pick which one they're themed after, honestly), etc. Super fun stuff!
I found this channel, watched all of Codex Compliant, and a month later I'm watching it again! You two are so charming and your tone is placid and enjoyable
The italian Condottiere the Dogs of War were based on are one of the most interesting aspects of medieval europe, and the the DoW were just the right mix of cutthroat-mercenary and goofy idiots to capture that. I'd love to see some of them in The Old World again, their design was so wild
5:37 Ooh that'll be Sigmar on the right fairly sure, he was never an Emperor more of a warlord until he wandered off into the hills and became god for the hell of it.
My favourite wfb army! Allows you to field and paint anything from halflings to giants in a single army. Edit: Al Muktar's Desert Dogs is just a parody of Lawrence of Arabia. And Nigel Stillman, one of the books authors, is a trained archeologist, which may explain some stuff. Oh! And most of the humans in the DoW range were sculpted by the Perry Twins, thus their equipement is very close to historical one
@@oitoitoi1 Did a quick search; both of them are. Which explains how wfb drank so deeply off real life history. Fun fact; the Perry twins were (and still are) avid reenactors. Though one lost his arm to a cannon accident during a Hundred Years War reenactment, but learnt to sculpt with the other
@@Mrkabrat Cool, yeah quite incredibly after losing his sculpting arm, he taught himself to sculpt with his other hand while in hospital, then made the Green Knight as his first mini for GW when back at work. Unbelievable talent!
@@oitoitoi1 I do believe there's an interview with the Perry twins in one of the old Citadel Journal which can be found in the Internet Archive, so do give them a read since they add some fluff, scenarios and other cool stuff
This also means it's relatively easy to put together a cheap Dogs of War army using historical miniatures. Including from Perry Miniatures, of course. Although I also fancy using the Conquistadors and Landsknecht Ogres kits from Wargames Atlantic, for variety. But it's Dogs of War, so I can fit them all in. No need to choose.
This was absolutely wonderful to see in my subscription feed! I've been reading up on how to do Italian Condottieri (Very obviously the historical inspiration for the entire Dogs of War faction) using Lion Rampant, and just a few days later this shows up! Also I gotta say, the more I hear about the Old World and just old Warhammer Fantasy the more I like it. Just...vaguely historical fiction but with fantasy shit in it is just FUN. And it also doesn't take itself TOO seriously, which is always a good thing with any Warhammer property.
The bonus units in the follow up annual were regularly released in the monthly white dwarfs around the same period. You had the skink cold one riders, undead mercenaries, the halflings. The were probably about 70-100% more units that could be added to the roster. Also, when the next ed? Maybe 2, released they turned them into a "pikemen" "duelist" "rogue knights" regular style army that I was always disappointed never went anywhere. Bring back the Dogs of War!
The dogs of war idea seems like it would fit into how factions are structured in AOS super well, and god knows they could charge a fortune for each set. Would be awesome if they bring them back for Old World though
Honestly even if the theming wasn’t goofy and fun, this would be a force that I’d be really into if I was playing in that era. Mercenary pikemen, Pavise crossbowmen, and horse-drawn artillery, it’s enough to make my Renaissance Italian military nerd heart flutter 😂
I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for some of these almost historical looking units existing was for the sculptors (looks to me like like probably the Perrys) to just get a chance to make the "Renaissance warfare" units they wanted and find an excuse for them to be included in Warhammer.
The first battle report these guys were ever in, in their debut in a White Dwarf from 1998, had one of Bronzino's Galloper Guns misfire on the first turn and explode. One of the funniest things I've ever read in a Batrep. Oh, also, were Ghazhak and Oglah Khan not in the Army Book? I liked them, very efficient!
They, along with other RoR such as Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks, Albion Giants and Mengil's Manflayers, where added in later issues of WD, and later on got updated and added to the Warhammer Chronicles
It is the best thing about the old games from the 80s and 90s, that they are funny, do not take themselves too seriously and do not shy away from a "flat" joke.
Some of the later Dogs of War units got really cool minis too. I’ve always regretted not buying a box of Ruglug’s Armoured Orcs back when I started during 6th edition. The mini’s are just so unique and they look like they rank up very satisfyingly. Ruglug himself and the gobbo standard bearer were ace too, a boss that’s actually bigger than his lads and a banner that’s just ‘Empire knight on a stick’. I’m sure they were a deeply mediocre unit on the tabletop but their concept was just so odd and interesting. Orcs wearing the heaviest armor they could scrounge together but then decide to wield crossbows (the only Greenskins to do so in fact) instead of choppas. Very, very strange. Took a look on Ebay but prices for the full regiment of ten minis start at $115 so I’ll just have to live with those regrets
Not mediocre per se, but since they would take a special slot in an O&G, they aren't worth it compared to the other special units the greenskins have. However, on their own/in a Dogs of War army you are looking at T4, S4 on the charge, heavy armour carrying orcs with a hero level champion. So they do provide a solid crossbow unit, albeit an unpredictable one due to animosity. But that's what make them fun!
My big regret is the Alcanti fellowship but after my five hundred other things in my pike of blessings, I might pull out some Perry/vitrick and stop letting my dreams be dreams
So Rodirogo Delmonte is the mercenary leader who says "yes" (to jobs)? Or is it just me that remembers the man from Delmonte adverts? It's in line with the level of "jokes" in the rest of this book...
Some of those pikemen could fight from Three or more ranks. Which at the time was outlandish. They also were often called the pricks in our community, as when you leaned over the table, your arm would get pricked. Sometimes staying in you as you stood up. Other units of honorable mention that were not included here but were mercs later are halfling hot-pot (best catapult), mandrakes man flayers (dark elf mercs)
As for Lucrezia Belladonna she is inspired to Lucrezia Borgia, whom during the Renaissance in Italy, was said to have poisoned more than one of her husbands. The last name refers to the scientific name for the deadly nightshade, Atropa belladonna, a poisonous plant that was used to make pupils larger containg atropine, hence the name (belladonna translates to beautiful woman).
You probably already know this but just in case: the reason there were so many pike units was because Dogs of War introduced pike rules to Warhammer Fantasy Battle. From memory it was something like four ranks could fight (instead of two for spearman and one for everyone else) and maybe some sort of nullification of charge bonuses?
17:19 the Art of Statecraft sounds very similar to Machiavelli’s The Prince, who was also an Italian banished from his city-state who then wrote a book about…well…statecraft. Just a little connection. Also, the sheer amount of historical references reminded me that Warhammer historical games existed, that might be a cool video, you could maybe collaborate with a historical with a historical wargaming channel like Little Wars TV. Also this may be your best video yet, so keep up the good work!!
12:33 I want to think that she did not kill them, but, because of all the poison she carried, they all died hugging/kissing/holding her hand/looking at her/thinking of her… it’s just so sad, now :(
This was my first army book ever, my gateway to the Warhammer hobby. I still have it somewhere (in its excellent German translation no less). The fluff is simply hilarious; to this day I can't decide which regiment of renown is my favourite. Probably the Venators, simply for being knights sworn to the virtues of booze, brawls, partying and not giving a shit.
@@oitoitoi1he was also offered to be one of the first novelists writing books for its world. He said it might be fun provided they didn’t expect him to take it as seriously as it obviously took itself, which given this book is very funny to think of.
An army I actually owned, although I sold it a few years ago because I wasn't doing anything with them, and the buyer would. Their weakness was that the units, because they all came with hero level squad leaders, were overpriced for what they could achieve. That meant they were outnumbered even by such high value armies as High Elves.
Some of the missing regiments like Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks and the Giants of Albion *were* available in 5th edition, but only appeared in White Dwarf. This included their full backgrounds in the same style as the army book, something that was missing from the 6th edition version that appeared in Warhammer Chronicles.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not many of the DoW units in the book also originally White Dwarf units that were collected into one book, and then fleshed out a bit?
This was the first army I played, lot's of proxying though. Great fun to field a rag tag army consisting of units from various factions. Stopped fielding the birdmen, not because they were bad but I always had them fly high, and without fail, forgot them for the rest of the game.
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There were also a couple of white dwarf articles published around the time of the release of the Dogs of War army book that expanded the rules for mercenary armies. My favorite was the article that added rules for the creation of Elven(of the high and dark varieties), Green Skin and Dwarf mercenary generals complete with stats, equipment lists and examples of converted miniatures.
I remember them, they were a way of bringing halflings to the field. The whole halfling lore of Warhammer was like one big joke parody of Lotr, where you are like I get it, stop it please. The halfling soup catapult was fun though. They had units from Araby after that piece of lore was rightfully forgotten for being too racist (like the Nippon lore). Bow cavalry was an interesting unit. Also the cursed company, they were undead that hated the undead and had rules that let them add models, they killed, to their regiment. Half naked Amazons were a nice addition. And the dogs of war provided the means to hire Gotrek and Felix and I always had a soft spot for those two. The axe throwing machine from the mad dwarven engineer Malakai Makaison or something. I remember some of those units being a pain to deal with, like the druid with TWO giants or the armored War Trolls. Armoured ogres were no joke either. Also it rubbed me the wrong way as an empire player that the empire, famous for its spearmen never had the much better pikes. Because "make spear longer" never occured to the imperial engineers.
Dog of War were my favourite faction as a kid and I had to special order all the models for them. Also loved converting pikemen to make my own odd squads. I had a Nurgle themed one at one point because I couldn't attack the pikes correctly so they all fought with half broken pikes.
You had trouble assembling your models and so you fluffed them as being a nurgle force, I love it. If there is an anecdote more true to the spirit of warhammer, at least what it used to be, then I heaven't heard it. I salute you.
Unless I'm mistaken, there was also an undead mercenary regiment at some point. What stood out is that the skeletons were made up of Dwarves, Elves and Lizardmen rather then humans (except for the captain). Also I never heard of the Dwarf Slayer Pirates before. Awesome.
DoW was my 2nd army for Fantasy (after Chaos - before it split into warriors, beastmen, and daemons). Later when generic units were added most of my units served double duty as an Empire force. Still miss them as a playable force.
I remember when this came out and the White Dwarf issue, hadn't played much Warhammer at that point but loved the game. This really was peak creativity and had so many interesting history tie ins. Stillman really understood the spirit of Warhammer and tabletop wargaming so well.
Ah, you say that you're not as versed in the ways of Warhammer Fantasy, yet you display the one Chaos Warrior miniature which everyone involved in Oldhammer owns for some reason, even if they never bought a 90s Citadel Paint Starter Set with the two practice models. Love you guys, another great video!
I had a Dogs of War army at one point - horrendously expensive to collect as every model was metal. The pikes were quite handy as it meant you had multiple ranks able to fight at once. And I could choose to join teams of evil factions or good factions, it didn't matter which - I was just there for the money! Eventually I turned to other armies and used the Dogs of War units purely for extra mercenary picks
Loved the video. Anyone else appreciate the weapons grade - and just odd - punning with Asarnil? As the name sounds like a certain football team with a big gun on their badge, the motto (something like 'whaniil!') is a scoreline. This seems like some sort of in-joke. Anyone know if there's a backstory?
Merry Christmas! The most fun codex/army book GW ever made, was a real golden era. 6th edition was the best; they retained the fun silly stuff and sense of humour of 4th/5th edition, but the more grounded rules of "grimdark" fantasy. Warhammer definitely didn't used to be more serious! It was basically what you'd get if Terry Pratchett had written a wargame. p.s. The ogres book in 6th edition was originally envisioned as the new Dogs of War book, hence they could be taken as allies more than any other faction.
Dogs of War did actually get a 6th edition list. I think it was published in White Dwarf, and then the annual they have in the video. As well as expanding the unique units, it created *generic* units, like generic pikemen and the like.
@@triangulan was published in white dwarf then warhammer chronicles, there was the regiments of reknown list (this book), then the dogs of war list which was a generic tilean army list.
That was nice "And now for something completely different" moment :) I really preferred the Warhammer when it didn't take itself so seriously - just as the excuse to push some interesting models around the table. Anyway - Merry Christmas! Cheers.
Quite a few of these regiments and characters get mentioned in various wfrp books, from 1st to 4th edition. Leonardo di Mriagliano plays a big(ish) part in The Thousand Thrones campaign for 2e for example, and Long Drong just got statted up for wfrp 4e in the Sea of Claws book.
Thank you, I needed somebody call me Long Drong today. Also, I really love that book and still regularly look for inspirations in it for ttrpg campaigns.
I ran a full Dogs of War army back in the day. My absolute favorite! I can only hope for updated rules for Warhammer the Old World. Arsanil the Dragon Lord was amazing, -1 to hit with ranged weapons allowed him to be a real thorn in the side if opponents. Slayer Pirates could stand and shoot with a terrifying fusillade. And pikemen able to attack four ranks deep really pissed people off. In a fun way, of course!
I think my favourite minor detail from this book is Borgio the Besiegers "Mace of Might" which is a cannonball that failed to kill him that he made into a mace, which can still hit as hard as an actual cannon.
I dont think this is the actual justification for Borgio’s, but the concept sparked a cool idea in my head. In Morrowind, a giant meteor is held above a city in stasis, NOT stopped conventional, and if the effect lifts, it will return to its original momentum. the idea of an enchantment that “holds” the velocity of a cannon ball in stasis until it hits sounds epic.
It does make sense atleast in this version of FB, Some people are capable of willing their renown into reality even without their knowledge (Look at Old empire and bretonnian armybooks) as some sort of martial magic similar to how faith work being based on belief
I feel bad for knowing the context of that one
"there's a lot of pikeman in this book"
**Waves history book**. It's mostly pikemen in this one too.
The piece of epic GW logic you missed in this book is the fluff for why the Birdmen of Catrazza can move and shoot with their crossbows, because the flying contraption uses their feet to move, so they have their hands free to move and fire. Because apparently normal crossbowmen, who can only move OR shoot, use their hands to move? Best fluff ever.
@Lind Morn I imagine that they have a different kind of crossbow, not one with a foot stirrup. But the text in the codex says they can move and shoot BECAUSE they have both their hands free. If you give a crossbowman on foot that crossbow, wouldn't he also be able to move and shoot with that? I can't think of a real reason why being stuck to a flying machine that requires you to move your feet in a very rhythmic pattern would give you any advantage in reloading hands or no hands. I checked the art and the models, and the crossbows do not have a winch or any foot stirrup. It's a big mystery.
Fukken died.
I think the real reason why birdmen of catrazza could fly and shoot is because as a flying unit they have to had a certain minimal speed or they just stall and crash.
I think it was very responsible of that lady to conserve water by letting her bodyguard share her bath
There was a hosepipe ban on, after all...
"Rufus, Rufus, Rufus?" "GREETINGS!" I laughed so hard, I woke the missus.
Now this is woke.
I was hoping for a 60's TV show jump-cut faux-teleport with a funny sound effect.
Golgfag's dudes became so famous they were reprinted in ogres army book as a unique unit of "construct your own squad", where you got essentially a squad of lesser heroes who all had a sizable equipment list available to them. So, not only the most famous mercenary ogre became famous himself, he dragged his dudes along with him.
I think this codex exists because the Perry Twins said to GW "if you want us to design a dozen different Imperial Guard regiments, you also have to let us design a dozen different types of historically accurate Italian pikemen, or else"
That's what we call a win-win situation!
9:26 No one's...
Goth like Gaston, duels tomb kings like Gaston, no-one's name is a French word for bread like Gaston!
I will always associate that name with Gaston Lagaffe, a Belgian comic book from the 1970's about an eccentric office worker and amateur inventor
No one's Dread like Gaston, Duels Undead like Gaston, no one's name is the French word for Bread like Gaston.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer I've been upstaged. You win, that's better than what I wrote.
@@legateelizabethAh, but I wouldn't have been inspired to do it without your comment, so we can both credit eachother.
Asarnil also sounds like Arsenal and his battle cry is to sound like "One nil! One nil!" In short he's an Elven football hooligan on a dragon
"One nil to the Arsenal" was a period appropriate chant at Highbury.
I know nothing about soccer and wouldn't have caught that in a million years but that's pretty funny. :P
@@EntropicEcho To be fair, these are also a bit less repeated these days anyhow...
One of the goofiest codexes, that is mostly remembered for its potential to show up in Total Warhammer
These guys and commander bernhardt of shadow of the horned rat/dark omen (Also a mercenary band) are my wishlist guys, would love to see them return in some form, even if minor rewrites are needed
Would also increase their chances of receiving models for old world, which would be lovely
@@egnaroelprupif you Google it there’s a couple of kitbashes people have done and made the entire grudgebringer army 👌🏻
@@watts18269In the words of Commander Bernhardt - “We are Victorious”
I believe one reason why this book had so many pikeman variants was that this army was the only one that had pikes at all - their rules were not available anywhere else. And from memory pikes were very powerful (something like fighting in four ranks as well as one or two other situational bonuses)
Always strike first and +1S vs cavalry if memory serves.
Fluff-wise the Empire should have pikes, not spears, as they fight in the fashion of the Estalian (read Portuguese) tercio but I Always figured that GW was afraid of pikes as little Jimmy will inevitably poke his, or someone else's, eye out with them. Also white metal pikes are, and were, absolute bobbins (there's a reason why historical gamers use brass or steel rod for them).
@@blastvader That sounds about right rules-wise. And yeah, many armies that use spears can have arguments for pikes, at least ones with any experience in facing cavalry... but as you say, model wise they were a pain. All the pike units were metal, and I don't think the plastic of the day would have done much better, plus transport and storage would have been a nightmare. And ruleswise I think having them be more widespread would have had them be somewhat op or they would need to be really pricey.
@@blastvader The *Nuln* army in particular was at one point noted for using pikes, as it was said to have been influenced by the Tilean style of warfare, and I think way back in 3rd edition the Empire could field units with pikes, but the core they were built around was always halbadiers.
@blastvader counter points:
1) You can use regular spears in a tercio. Many irl pikemen shortened their pikes to spear length*, aditionally the terfio in and of itself is just a square of pole arm troops supported by crossbowmen swordmen (tercio is named after the 3 kinds of troops).
2) estalia is never mentioned as useing pikemen tercios only glaivemen tercios.
Other points:
1) speaking of irl pikemen shortening their pikes. Pikes are unwieldly weapons ill suited to uneven terrain or terrain with lots of trees and bushes. Most of the empire in warhammer fantasy is densely wooded to a much higher degree than irl Renaissance Europe. Meaning empire pikemen would likely shorten their pikes much more often than irl pikemen assuming they ever even adopt pikes. It must also be noted the greeks/Macedonians started to abandon the pike because shorter spears are so much more useful in the hilly and mountainous terrain of Greece and the fact men were shortening them anyway.
2) Furthermore pikes are not as good against cavalry as is commonly believed (many people see them as a hard counter to cavalry). It's only the combination of pike and gunpowder that is super effective against cavalry, as the shot breaks up the cavalry formation. Properly formed lance cavalry more often than not will break even braced pikemen. Even the famous Swiss pikes regularly broke to frontal cavalry charges by undisrupted cavalry. Its been shown lancers can and will parry the vast majority of unwieldy pikes, so if the cav maintain formation the pikemen are simply unable to land a hit. Cavalry braking though even elite pikemen became so common standard pike formaitons included units of halberdiers behind the like block to counter the cavlry breakthroughs before they cna do serious harm. The Dutch (considered masters of the pike at the time) manuals for pikmen actually state cavalry as the biggest threat to pikemen even after the introduction of gunpowder, and the main enemy for pikemen was actually other infantry.
->even pistoliers are very effective against pikes. Their point blank pistol shots can break up the pike formation opening up routes to break through. Although this happened less often, as while cavalry numbers were maintained (infact expanded), by % they decreased as human populations were able to expand due to improved tech but horse populations remained similar in size. Thus cavalry became more valuable and thus used less aggressively. But it still happened.
3) for the idea every people experianced against cavalry would adopt the pike, I would point to Eastern Europe. Where the pike never became popular despite cavalry being far more numerous a foe and the pike being a well known weapon. Regular spearmen combined with shot were the prefurred anti-cavalry infantry in Eastern Europe (and China for that matter).
My point is pike is not really an anti-cavalry troop. They are spearmen with some aditional advantages (espeically against other spearmen) and some aditonal disadvantages.
Sorry for the large blocks of text.
Tldr: the empire has many reasons not to use pikes and pikes are not hard cavalry counters.
This is a dope ass response, never feel ashamed for a thorough answer.
An unfortunate anecdote relating to the Dogs of War army - as many people will know, Michael Perry lost a hand due to a cannon misfire, and learned to sculpt using his offhand instead (which he still does to this day). The Perry twins sculpted most of the historically inspired miniatures from the DoW line, and were invited to play their debut battle report in WD225. The first thing that happened, in the first turn of that game, was one of their galloper guns misfired and exploded. I cannot imagine the horrified silence that must have descended around the table in that moment. I can only hope/assume, given that the batrep still went to print, that he took it in his stride - if so, power to him, I think I'd have struggled in his position.
To add insult to insult, the mercs got slaughtered, with most units underperforming except the ogres and the dwarf pirates, neither of which were their models!
"I can only hope/assume, given that the batrep still went to print, that he took it in his stride..."
A podcast (I've forgotten whom) was interviewing the Perry brothers about sculpting recently and they got onto the topic of flash and injection points on miniatures, at which point they said something about miniatures suffering "misshapen elbows."
Apparently Michael kind of waved his arm with the missing hand as a visual joke, but the host wasn't sure how to explain the joke to the audience without risking offending Michael, who luckily jumped in and ended the awkwardness by finishing the sentence for them. So I can only imagine that he took that event in pretty good spirits too, even if it was many years closer to the incident.
I was told, during the brief period I worked for GW, that he would bring the video out at parties.
He was using the sponge on a cannon (the sheepskin on a stick thing that they swab the barrel with) during a Napoleonic reenactment and pushed an errant spark back down the barrel where there was still an amount of unburnt powder, this promptly did what it was meant to and exploded sending the sponge, and his lower right arm that was using to hold onto it, out across the field of 'battle'.
@@blastvader Jesus Christ, re-enactors are metal as hell. My dad took an axe to the face on my 14th birthday and lost most of his teeth in the process. Don't think he'd have gone so far as to share video footage though!
@@Kolyarut I mean, it could pretty apocryphal. Though I'm pretty sure I'm correct in /how/ he lost the arm.
It was against beastmen, correct?
I would never claim that Warhammer was ever serious... but was more... grounded.
This particular book was particularly tongue in cheek.
Snipe and Wib doing OldHammer is dope enough, but them doing Dogs of War made me lose my god damn mind. Love you guys, great job as always!
Thought I would mentioned this may have gotten a solo book instead of being put in other books, potentially because of the popularity of the Warhammer: Dark Omen video game released that same year. A game where you played as commander Morgan Bernhardt, and his mercenary army. Leading a campaign on behalf of the Empire, against the Ork greens skins and later the undead. It was quite a good game for its time. Just kind of related as they are both warhammer mercenary army things.
Oh my god the callback to the wizard curse is perfection
I think the guy on the cover looks more like Pete Burns from Dead or Alive, mostly due to the hair and the eyepatch
Theres a frivolous and fun in these that feels like it's missing from the modern gaming sphere. This is what made warhammer popular and so fun. The self seriousness only works when it's balanced by realizing how utterly asinine it all is
Just started the video so it'll probably be answered, but did this book explain as to _how_ Lizardmen could use them as allies? Since Lizardmen had a 0% point allocation for allies within their army book (at least from what I remember).
Fun fact: Many of the mercenaries would return in modern Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, allowing you to play crossbowmen with pavises called "Siege Specialists", with art that looks a lot like those Briganza fellows, Pikemen (take your pick which one they're themed after, honestly), etc. Super fun stuff!
They also made mordheim warbands were these models were obviously ment to be used....
Good to see your going strong Snipe.
Hi dad
@@theinquisitionsparrot6749 ....the gene seed corruption has gone a bit far.
@@theinquisitionsparrot6749 hes back from vacation
Pigolo the first not having a model is one of the biggest crimes gw ever commited
Machine gun carts? Warhammer had Tachanka all this whole time and I never knew!
Now I want to collect a Makhnovtsi themed army!
Oh yeah, I kinda remember that. I also remember when the Empire had lots of different Knight Orders.
I found this channel, watched all of Codex Compliant, and a month later I'm watching it again! You two are so charming and your tone is placid and enjoyable
The italian Condottiere the Dogs of War were based on are one of the most interesting aspects of medieval europe, and the the DoW were just the right mix of cutthroat-mercenary and goofy idiots to capture that. I'd love to see some of them in The Old World again, their design was so wild
5:37 Ooh that'll be Sigmar on the right fairly sure, he was never an Emperor more of a warlord until he wandered off into the hills and became god for the hell of it.
Just listened to the outro... I've ruined Christmas. 😔
Peasant: Alacanti Fellowship, will you help us? We have no gold to pay you.
Roderico del Monte: he say "Yes!"
I love this army book. Absolute peak Warhammer.
My favourite wfb army! Allows you to field and paint anything from halflings to giants in a single army.
Edit: Al Muktar's Desert Dogs is just a parody of Lawrence of Arabia.
And Nigel Stillman, one of the books authors, is a trained archeologist, which may explain some stuff. Oh! And most of the humans in the DoW range were sculpted by the Perry Twins, thus their equipement is very close to historical one
I think Rick Priestley was the archaeologist
@@oitoitoi1 Did a quick search; both of them are. Which explains how wfb drank so deeply off real life history.
Fun fact; the Perry twins were (and still are) avid reenactors. Though one lost his arm to a cannon accident during a Hundred Years War reenactment, but learnt to sculpt with the other
@@Mrkabrat Cool, yeah quite incredibly after losing his sculpting arm, he taught himself to sculpt with his other hand while in hospital, then made the Green Knight as his first mini for GW when back at work. Unbelievable talent!
@@oitoitoi1 I do believe there's an interview with the Perry twins in one of the old Citadel Journal which can be found in the Internet Archive, so do give them a read since they add some fluff, scenarios and other cool stuff
This also means it's relatively easy to put together a cheap Dogs of War army using historical miniatures. Including from Perry Miniatures, of course. Although I also fancy using the Conquistadors and Landsknecht Ogres kits from Wargames Atlantic, for variety. But it's Dogs of War, so I can fit them all in. No need to choose.
Also, Asarnil the Dragonlord's name and battle cry ("Whanil, Whanil!") are riffs on Arsenal Football Club.
This was absolutely wonderful to see in my subscription feed! I've been reading up on how to do Italian Condottieri (Very obviously the historical inspiration for the entire Dogs of War faction) using Lion Rampant, and just a few days later this shows up! Also I gotta say, the more I hear about the Old World and just old Warhammer Fantasy the more I like it. Just...vaguely historical fiction but with fantasy shit in it is just FUN. And it also doesn't take itself TOO seriously, which is always a good thing with any Warhammer property.
Probably my favourite episode in Codex Compliant.
The bonus units in the follow up annual were regularly released in the monthly white dwarfs around the same period. You had the skink cold one riders, undead mercenaries, the halflings. The were probably about 70-100% more units that could be added to the roster.
Also, when the next ed? Maybe 2, released they turned them into a "pikemen" "duelist" "rogue knights" regular style army that I was always disappointed never went anywhere.
Bring back the Dogs of War!
The dogs of war idea seems like it would fit into how factions are structured in AOS super well, and god knows they could charge a fortune for each set. Would be awesome if they bring them back for Old World though
Honestly even if the theming wasn’t goofy and fun, this would be a force that I’d be really into if I was playing in that era. Mercenary pikemen, Pavise crossbowmen, and horse-drawn artillery, it’s enough to make my Renaissance Italian military nerd heart flutter 😂
I have a sneaking suspicion that part of the reason for some of these almost historical looking units existing was for the sculptors (looks to me like like probably the Perrys) to just get a chance to make the "Renaissance warfare" units they wanted and find an excuse for them to be included in Warhammer.
@@triangulan
Yes, they were sculpted by the Perry brothers.
The first battle report these guys were ever in, in their debut in a White Dwarf from 1998, had one of Bronzino's Galloper Guns misfire on the first turn and explode. One of the funniest things I've ever read in a Batrep.
Oh, also, were Ghazhak and Oglah Khan not in the Army Book? I liked them, very efficient!
They, along with other RoR such as Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks, Albion Giants and Mengil's Manflayers, where added in later issues of WD, and later on got updated and added to the Warhammer Chronicles
@@MrkabratTichi Huichi's Raiders were like that, I was always a fan of them!
It is the best thing about the old games from the 80s and 90s, that they are funny, do not take themselves too seriously and do not shy away from a "flat" joke.
Some of the later Dogs of War units got really cool minis too.
I’ve always regretted not buying a box of Ruglug’s Armoured Orcs back when I started during 6th edition. The mini’s are just so unique and they look like they rank up very satisfyingly. Ruglug himself and the gobbo standard bearer were ace too, a boss that’s actually bigger than his lads and a banner that’s just ‘Empire knight on a stick’.
I’m sure they were a deeply mediocre unit on the tabletop but their concept was just so odd and interesting. Orcs wearing the heaviest armor they could scrounge together but then decide to wield crossbows (the only Greenskins to do so in fact) instead of choppas. Very, very strange.
Took a look on Ebay but prices for the full regiment of ten minis start at $115 so I’ll just have to live with those regrets
Not mediocre per se, but since they would take a special slot in an O&G, they aren't worth it compared to the other special units the greenskins have.
However, on their own/in a Dogs of War army you are looking at T4, S4 on the charge, heavy armour carrying orcs with a hero level champion. So they do provide a solid crossbow unit, albeit an unpredictable one due to animosity. But that's what make them fun!
they were actually the 2nd version of Ruglud's, the first were during 3rd edition very early on iirc.
i always regretted not getting Richter Kruger's cursed company
My big regret is the Alcanti fellowship but after my five hundred other things in my pike of blessings, I might pull out some Perry/vitrick and stop letting my dreams be dreams
Ahhh, remember when the fun in Warhammer was spread all around the game, and not just concentrated in one faction like the Gloomspite Gitz ❤️
Oldskool WFB player now playing Gitz in AoS says hi!
So Rodirogo Delmonte is the mercenary leader who says "yes" (to jobs)? Or is it just me that remembers the man from Delmonte adverts? It's in line with the level of "jokes" in the rest of this book...
A line that was close enough to be classed as parody to 'the man from Delmonte, he say yes' was in the book
The big issue with these mercenary models were they were almost all pure metal. Though I had a buddy who played pure merc’s.
Some of those pikemen could fight from Three or more ranks. Which at the time was outlandish. They also were often called the pricks in our community, as when you leaned over the table, your arm would get pricked. Sometimes staying in you as you stood up. Other units of honorable mention that were not included here but were mercs later are halfling hot-pot (best catapult), mandrakes man flayers (dark elf mercs)
With Warhammer: The Old World on the horizon, I could see them potentially reviving the Dogs of War for modern games
As for Lucrezia Belladonna she is inspired to Lucrezia Borgia, whom during the Renaissance in Italy, was said to have poisoned more than one of her husbands. The last name refers to the scientific name for the deadly nightshade, Atropa belladonna, a poisonous plant that was used to make pupils larger containg atropine, hence the name (belladonna translates to beautiful woman).
You probably already know this but just in case: the reason there were so many pike units was because Dogs of War introduced pike rules to Warhammer Fantasy Battle. From memory it was something like four ranks could fight (instead of two for spearman and one for everyone else) and maybe some sort of nullification of charge bonuses?
17:19 the Art of Statecraft sounds very similar to Machiavelli’s The Prince, who was also an Italian banished from his city-state who then wrote a book about…well…statecraft. Just a little connection. Also, the sheer amount of historical references reminded me that Warhammer historical games existed, that might be a cool video, you could maybe collaborate with a historical with a historical wargaming channel like Little Wars TV. Also this may be your best video yet, so keep up the good work!!
THAT JUAN CORNETTO
SEND HIM TO ME
THE BESTEST PIKEMAN
IN OL' TILEEEE
12:33 I want to think that she did not kill them, but, because of all the poison she carried, they all died hugging/kissing/holding her hand/looking at her/thinking of her… it’s just so sad, now :(
inspired by Lucrezia Borgia
@@oitoitoi1 ahhh, I see, thanks for the info.
Lovely book.
As an italian I immediately took a liking to Tilea and man, Borgio the Besieger is just such a fun character.
I always love seeing Snipe’s reactions and camera glances, especially after covering a corny joke 😂
This was my first army book ever, my gateway to the Warhammer hobby. I still have it somewhere (in its excellent German translation no less). The fluff is simply hilarious; to this day I can't decide which regiment of renown is my favourite. Probably the Venators, simply for being knights sworn to the virtues of booze, brawls, partying and not giving a shit.
I always loved the look of these guys - the concepts are fun, the styles are unique and unusual, and they can add a bit of variety to any list!
0:40 Transformers beefcake in the background there
The whole faction is just packed full references to rennisance Italy, such as the one eyed-good-guy (based on Federico De Montefeltro)
I am sure the authors of this book have shelves full of Discworld novels.
Terry Pratchett absolutely loved the WFB world, he said if it had been around when he was a kid he never would have written discworld.
@@oitoitoi1he was also offered to be one of the first novelists writing books for its world. He said it might be fun provided they didn’t expect him to take it as seriously as it obviously took itself, which given this book is very funny to think of.
An army I actually owned, although I sold it a few years ago because I wasn't doing anything with them, and the buyer would.
Their weakness was that the units, because they all came with hero level squad leaders, were overpriced for what they could achieve. That meant they were outnumbered even by such high value armies as High Elves.
"He's the one who cursed GW with the name thing" Brilliant my loves... brilliant.
I feel like commissioning artwork of Long Drong’s slayers fighting and pistols are just coming out of their beards.
The only thing this manual lacked was a list of basic mercenaries troops (something that appeared later in separate material).,
"Old world equivalent of a technician" got me pretty good. Nice to see you pair doing some WFB content, it's good tucker.
You forgot the cursed company of captain Richter kreugar the damned. My favourite undead mercenaries.
Some of the missing regiments like Lumpin Croop's Fighting Cocks and the Giants of Albion *were* available in 5th edition, but only appeared in White Dwarf. This included their full backgrounds in the same style as the army book, something that was missing from the 6th edition version that appeared in Warhammer Chronicles.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not many of the DoW units in the book also originally White Dwarf units that were collected into one book, and then fleshed out a bit?
This was the first army I played, lot's of proxying though. Great fun to field a rag tag army consisting of units from various factions. Stopped fielding the birdmen, not because they were bad but I always had them fly high, and without fail, forgot them for the rest of the game.
Chap Hop is absolutely splendid, Professor Elemental, Mr B the Gentleman Rhymer and Madam Misfit (I appear in 2 of her music videos), all thoroughly wonderful people who like you both "Make good Art" 👍🏻
As someone with a background in History, this was my absolute favourite book!
There were also a couple of white dwarf articles published around the time of the release of the Dogs of War army book that expanded the rules for mercenary armies. My favorite was the article that added rules for the creation of Elven(of the high and dark varieties), Green Skin and Dwarf mercenary generals complete with stats, equipment lists and examples of converted miniatures.
Your videos are the ones that I get giddy about when I see ’em in my feed!
I remember them, they were a way of bringing halflings to the field. The whole halfling lore of Warhammer was like one big joke parody of Lotr, where you are like I get it, stop it please. The halfling soup catapult was fun though.
They had units from Araby after that piece of lore was rightfully forgotten for being too racist (like the Nippon lore).
Bow cavalry was an interesting unit. Also the cursed company, they were undead that hated the undead and had rules that let them add models, they killed, to their regiment. Half naked Amazons were a nice addition. And the dogs of war provided the means to hire Gotrek and Felix and I always had a soft spot for those two. The axe throwing machine from the mad dwarven engineer Malakai Makaison or something.
I remember some of those units being a pain to deal with, like the druid with TWO giants or the armored War Trolls. Armoured ogres were no joke either. Also it rubbed me the wrong way as an empire player that the empire, famous for its spearmen never had the much better pikes. Because "make spear longer" never occured to the imperial engineers.
Dog of War were my favourite faction as a kid and I had to special order all the models for them. Also loved converting pikemen to make my own odd squads. I had a Nurgle themed one at one point because I couldn't attack the pikes correctly so they all fought with half broken pikes.
You had trouble assembling your models and so you fluffed them as being a nurgle force, I love it. If there is an anecdote more true to the spirit of warhammer, at least what it used to be, then I heaven't heard it. I salute you.
Unless I'm mistaken, there was also an undead mercenary regiment at some point. What stood out is that the skeletons were made up of Dwarves, Elves and Lizardmen rather then humans (except for the captain).
Also I never heard of the Dwarf Slayer Pirates before. Awesome.
I remember that one, the rules for the undead mercenaries came in an old White Dwarf issue
Codex Compliant is one of my favorite minis games related thing on UA-cam. :D
DoW was my 2nd army for Fantasy (after Chaos - before it split into warriors, beastmen, and daemons). Later when generic units were added most of my units served double duty as an Empire force. Still miss them as a playable force.
I used to have this book, back when I was just slightly too young to get all the jokes.
Thank you for the amble down Memory Lane!
FYI a 'land pirate' is a reaver
This video gave me such a happy nostalgia rush! Thank you!
I really enjoy the deep silliness of these things.
I love it when deadly premonition music shows up in the wild
I remember when this came out and the White Dwarf issue, hadn't played much Warhammer at that point but loved the game. This really was peak creativity and had so many interesting history tie ins. Stillman really understood the spirit of Warhammer and tabletop wargaming so well.
Much love to you both. Thanks for keeping content running!
Awesome video!
Love the callback to the Naming Curse Wizard XD
Hope you're both doing well, have a relaxing holiday
I'm impressed that you managed to get the legendary historator Occulus Imperia to do a cameo from 40,000 years in the future!
Ah, you say that you're not as versed in the ways of Warhammer Fantasy, yet you display the one Chaos Warrior miniature which everyone involved in Oldhammer owns for some reason, even if they never bought a 90s Citadel Paint Starter Set with the two practice models. Love you guys, another great video!
Warhammer at its most Pratchett-esque.
I had a Dogs of War army at one point - horrendously expensive to collect as every model was metal. The pikes were quite handy as it meant you had multiple ranks able to fight at once. And I could choose to join teams of evil factions or good factions, it didn't matter which - I was just there for the money! Eventually I turned to other armies and used the Dogs of War units purely for extra mercenary picks
I love the codex compliant series, it's easily the best 40k stuff on the whole of UA-cam.
Loved the video. Anyone else appreciate the weapons grade - and just odd - punning with Asarnil? As the name sounds like a certain football team with a big gun on their badge, the motto (something like 'whaniil!') is a scoreline. This seems like some sort of in-joke. Anyone know if there's a backstory?
Merry Christmas! The most fun codex/army book GW ever made, was a real golden era. 6th edition was the best; they retained the fun silly stuff and sense of humour of 4th/5th edition, but the more grounded rules of "grimdark" fantasy. Warhammer definitely didn't used to be more serious! It was basically what you'd get if Terry Pratchett had written a wargame.
p.s. The ogres book in 6th edition was originally envisioned as the new Dogs of War book, hence they could be taken as allies more than any other faction.
Dogs of War did actually get a 6th edition list. I think it was published in White Dwarf, and then the annual they have in the video. As well as expanding the unique units, it created *generic* units, like generic pikemen and the like.
@@triangulan was published in white dwarf then warhammer chronicles, there was the regiments of reknown list (this book), then the dogs of war list which was a generic tilean army list.
yeah early editions of Warhammer had MORE stereotypical British silliness not less of it
God, these almost got me over to Wfb from 40k back in the day
That was nice "And now for something completely different" moment :) I really preferred the Warhammer when it didn't take itself so seriously - just as the excuse to push some interesting models around the table.
Anyway - Merry Christmas! Cheers.
Quite a few of these regiments and characters get mentioned in various wfrp books, from 1st to 4th edition. Leonardo di Mriagliano plays a big(ish) part in The Thousand Thrones campaign for 2e for example, and Long Drong just got statted up for wfrp 4e in the Sea of Claws book.
Hi guys. Merry Christmas. Thankyou both very much, your channel brings me back to a misspent youth so often. Very cool!
That Dwarven Pirate rum sounds like the mash liquor Ron Swanson's family drinks.
_"Its only legal use is to strip varnish off of speed boats."_
i cant believe you guys actially did it, this is the best christmas ever :)
I think I have one of the Braganza's Besiegers minis somewhere. Specifically the guy in the middle pointing at the standard bearer.
Thank you, I needed somebody call me Long Drong today. Also, I really love that book and still regularly look for inspirations in it for ttrpg campaigns.
Another Codex, however, I doubt the Codex Astartes supports the use of Ogryns in an Astartes formation...
I ran a full Dogs of War army back in the day. My absolute favorite! I can only hope for updated rules for Warhammer the Old World. Arsanil the Dragon Lord was amazing, -1 to hit with ranged weapons allowed him to be a real thorn in the side if opponents. Slayer Pirates could stand and shoot with a terrifying fusillade. And pikemen able to attack four ranks deep really pissed people off. In a fun way, of course!
Hope your both are well
Happy memories~ Though I never played them, I had that codex back in the day.
Horse Technicals sound absolutely Amazing XD
This was a wonderful ride, thank you for sharing it!