Retro 40k Resin Retrospective - Codex Compliant
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2020
- In the 90s there were a bunch of companies making licenced 40k models, let's talk about that.
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IT WAS YOU WHO ASKED THE LOCAL GW MANAGER ABOUT USING CHIBI MODELS! I KNEW IT! I walked in and he was talking about 'somebody asking if they could use the chibi models in store.'
You guys have done a pretty good job on the early resin models. I'm not all that hard to find... RIP my friend Mike.
Hey, thank you! Glad to know we did okay at the retelling :)
Also we're very sorry for what we are sure are terrible pronunciations of your name.
@@SnipeandWib LOL! If in France you would be correct, however here its been anglicized a bit. Take out the second "u" and it becomes phonetic... Email coming soon.
@@timdupertuis9954 I still have one of the last Phantoms I got from you via e-mail back from the mailing list days.
Tim DuPertuis my dad owns the big elder titan
Thanks for inspiring a generation of go big or go home gamers
I own an Epicast Falcon Gravtank.... It's like cheese. In many ways.
Edit: For clarification's sake; It's wedge-shaped, full of bubble-holes and smells funny.
ok but the fact that none of these companies made squat land trains upsets me greatly
Space dwarves shall never die!
I swear I will convert one someday out of rhinos or land raiders or something. Been wanting to for a while.
They were really too easy to scratch build to make them worth doing in resin. Mike did built a radio controlled 40k scale version of the Epic Leviathan...
@@timdupertuis9954 where can I find info on the rc Leviathan lol?
@@squigin3380 I don't think I even have a pic of it. It used a 1/16 scale Leopard RC chassis and was built of lots of sheet styrene. Don't think it ever got painted.
Back in the early 90s
3rd Party: Hey you don't have many vehicles, and models are missing from the codecs entries. Mind if we make them?
GW: Sure
Fast forward to the early twenty first century
GW: WE OWN ALL OF THEM, WE MADE THEM!
YOU ARE BANNED!
I used to know a guy who owned a Ork Great Gargant. He was an amazing 40k player and a friend. He sadly passed and his family tossed his 40k models. I just imagine that Mork(Or Gork) took that Great Gargant to the great WAAAAGH in the sky.
@The Xenomorphian I did, his friends did, 40k wasn't just a hobby for him. We tried explaining it, but his Mother said we had no right to tell her what to do and just went ahead and trashed his entire collection. Something like 15k of Eldar, 25k of Guard, and I think 20k of Space Marines. All 1st, 2nd and early 3rd ed stuff.
His mother sounds like a horrible person. I bet his family came like vultures when he died.
@@Mr_Bunk She never liked that fact "he played with toys" or any of his friends. He was No Contact with his entire family for reasons he never told us, nor did we ask.
back to the video. GET IT GOING SNIPE AND WIB. These videos get me through the day at work.
damn hope that wasn't the Gargant I sold a few years back :O...sad to hear of your friend passing , would be bummed to think that it ended up in the bin ..
@@IanBurns wow, I mean, I can get not caring about, or even disliking her son's hobbies/life choices, but just throwing it out instead of trying turn a profit by selling his stuff is unthinkable to me, especially for someone who had no respect/love for the things...
I mean, no one in my family shed a tear for Dedu(that means grandpa) Alex(he was a wife-beating drunkard and all around horrible person), but we at least sold his collection of novelty beersteins and car-shaped cologne bottles on eBay, because that stuff was worth money and no one in the family wanted it.
give the people you hate the dignity of looting their stuff, I managed to get a complete collection of Mark Twain books.
Harlequin Land Raiders… Emperor preserve us, C. S. Goto's influence has spread further than we ever suspected…
Yep.
Very, very different to imperial land raiders.
(Psychedelic cholo paint jobs...)
Prepare the heavy flamers....
Funfact: Rogue Trader Harlequins had a whole set of vehicle looting rules, so you could even field a "looted" Harlequin Predator.
Xenopticon Of course now I want some Orks to be using a Predator that they looted from some Harlequins who looted it from some Blood Ravens who were "gifted" it by another chapter…
Codex Compliant for Squats when? Seems like there is a crazy amount of weird weird stuff to grudge... I mean talk about.
Squats do not exist and have never existed. Report to your nearest Inquisitor for immediate interrogation and execution. Thought for the day: Innocence Proves Nothing...
@@weldonwin And I'll tell that Inquisitor to shove off. They'd need a conclave to touch me.
I own enough Dark Heresy books to get a Roset.
@@weldonwin I live in the Tau Empire. Come at me bro!
Say that again!? (Loads mole-mortar)
@@blacktoothfox677 DEMIURGE RESPONDING
The original Mike Biasi Phantom Titan has aged really, really well. I knew a guy who owned one and saw it grace some Apocalypse tables once or twice. I think it helps that the Eldar aesthetic doesn't do small fiddly details quite as much, so Biasi's sculpt doesn't look crude or outscaled (like his Imperial Titans do today)
Really is an amazing model that still holds up.
Eldar titans are supposed to look slightly organic.
Agamemnon2 my dad owns one of those, believe me or not, I don't care but I swear he has one
Yeah, when I saw that model I was blown away, it's a beautiful and perfectly Eldar model even nowadays.
Would be REALLY nice if someone could make an STL of that.
Here i clicked the notification the second i got it but it seems i arrived a couple of minutes after several others. The warp must be extra fickle today
RIP Mike. I think we all owe him a thanks for helping make 40k what it is to this day.
Curious to see the evolution and changes in 3rd party
but I will say that Biasi Warhound is adorable and more wolf headed warhounds should exist in modern models
I regret everyday not picking up one of those Warhounds when I had the chance. Talk about a Space Wolf themed Warhound.....
I don’t know about titans, but I do know you can find a wolf head for knights on Shapeways ✌🏻
Agreed!
I want one badly, and I'm not likely to EVER invest in enough 40k minis to play more than killteam rules.
I snatched an Armorcast variant on eBay and I actually prefer it to the modern Forgeworld variant.
I also like the old reaver titan though it looks really cartoony and doesn't fit the game as well as the new one.
Wolfheaded Warhounds look amazing, I love em.
I do actually have an ArmorCast Reaver Titan. I can tell because the parts are signed. Awesome video. I could have sent you some pictures of mine. 👍
My armorcast phantom is signed too
Man this was good to see. I had two of Mike's Tempests. They were my first foray into resin garage kits and started me down my own modeling and casting path. Sadly both were lost in a move in '98 and I never got around to replacing them.
I've been out of the game a long time. It's very sad to hear he passed.
This is a good morning for me! Greetings from South Carolina, USA. Glory to the Salamanders!
I'm not saying it gets hot in South Carolina, but some of your battle brothers tried to bury their dead there!
VULKAN LIVES! *stomp stomp*
Dawnbringer hit nothing wrong
1:47 That EPIC Reaver has a Purity Seal on its left leg. How BIG is that seal?!
"Honestly, it's just nice that these videos give us an excuse to get out of the house ya know "
- Snipe cracks -
Love your guys videos
I own that old Mike Biasi Tempest model. Judging from the paint, decals, and defects I own the exact one in the photo. I kinda made it into one of your videos!
One of my hobbies is looking up and researching fandom drama from times when I was too young/ not in the fandom yet so it was really interesting seeing those 30 year old vent posts.
I love the Codex Compliant series. Please never stop making them. 👍❤️
I'm so glad there's someone who cares enough to make an almost 20-twenty minute video about slightly crap third-party warhammer models from 25 years ago. Sometimes, the internet is cool.
I had one of the Gork Stompers and actually used it in a titan battle along with other Armorcast titans. It was one of the most fun games I've ever played. I do recall seeing the Eldar large Doomweaver and Prism Cannon in boxes at the hobby store that I bought the Stomper at.
Going as far as trawling the Usenet archives? I knew you put a lot of effort into researching these videos but, damn. A whole new level of respect has been discovered.
One of the shops i used to play at as a kid had an arrangement to have Robin Williams come in and play games whenever he was in town. It was basically a "when Robin is coming in, nobody is going to hear about it, nobody is going to tell anybody about it afterwards, no pictures, Robin is going to be here to play 40k and not as a celebrity, and we stay open on those nights until he feels like leaving."
I had extremely hazy memories of him having a whole ton of these big things that looked like my Transformers toys, and thought for years i must have totally imagined/dreamed the entire situation because, how silly, why would this one specific celebrity come in to play 40k and why would he have a childs imaginary version of giant miniatures.
But i ended up seeing a post years later on reddit from his daughter showing off the exact armorcast eldar titans that i remembered him having.
So a couple of times as a child, i hung out in a game store playing pokemon blue while my dad and his friends made explosion noises with their mouths with Robin Williams.
Great video! I was surprised at some of the information - especially how limited the Great Gargant was - because my FLGS at the time had loads of Armorcast stuff. I used to hang out at a place called Campaign Headquarters in Enterprise Alabama, and the owner just loved the stuff. He had 2 Gargants painted in his trophy case, along with a few Reivers and several warhounds. If you were buying an army, he was selling you Armorcast. My brother had the falcon grav tank (which we called "the brick") and the Tempest, while my best friend had the baneblade/shadowsword kit (he had a rule that he didn't have to announce which one he was using until it was deployed. Cause if many fights). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of that stuff is still floating around in Alabama.
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Having started playing/collecting with Rogue Trader, I have several of these models. I met Mike Biasi at the Origins convention (here in the states) as he was working on a Warlord titan master. Unfortunately, this was just prior to losing the GW contract so I don't think it was ever finished. Nor did my master of the Squat Gyrocopter ever see production.
The Warlord was finished but never released... many years ago i saw one for sale....naturally it was out of my price range 😱
Which pattern of Warlord was it? The old AT shellback design, or the boxy Epic 40,000 design?
Dammit this reminded me that I really wanted a Deredeo-Dreadnought for some reason.
Don't give in to the urge, I've just finished my GW-proper Contemptor....
I say buy another Contemptor. Then you get the Deredeo. Or you could also just get a third Contemptor.
......recasts...........
I remember seeing these models at Comics Imp located in Mexico City in the early 2000s. Ahhhh memories.
Mike Biasi did a phenomenal job with the upscaled sculpts, the Phantom Titan in particular still holds up to the current FW one! Sad to hear he passed away, he seemed like a real talented and passionate guy
I'm really glad you guys do this series. I learn SO MUCH from this series, thanks for all the hard work. Y'all are just lovely!
I actually have seen one of the old Warhound Titans in person. Despite it's lower quality, it's still really cool looking :D
Great job guys! I am now a proud owner of an Armorcast Warhound.
A lot of these old vehicles look like Grimdark Bathtubs
0:26
My dad has that elder phantom painted in black, I’m in Australia.
Robin Williams had quite a few of the old resin bits, some of which were featured in an auction after his death.
I love how thorough you guys get into something so niche. Its so strange to find myself drawn into a video about a tabletop game I've never played.
It was nice growing up during the pre hyper-corporate world we live in today, the '90s were pretty sweet. Super nice work here!
Please do more of these! It's cool to see the extent of your research and how much the model's have changed over time.
Starting to pick up 40k again with the rise of 9th and my Necrons getting some love, decided to look up some info on older models.
Good work on this one guys, thoroughly enjoyed it!
(Also a faint glimmer of excitement when I saw Derby on the map, given I'm only about half hours drive from it haha)
That unreleased Trygon makes a certain tune come to mind: "~Shai Huluuuuuuud! Give me a greaaaaaaat wooorm! Give me the courage to ride again!~" XD
I owned a Reaver Titan from Armorcast. I bought it new at my first duty station in the Army. A little game store in Manhattan Kansas. I had the starter box of 2nd edition and a ton of space wolf blister packs. I ran my Titan as a Space Wolf titan( no-one had a good grasp of the lore at the time and the way the game was played in 2nd the Data fax allowed the titan to be played that way). Sadly the resin used in those things has aged horrifically. Mine effectively disintegrated over time just started to crumble. It was a fun thing though while it lasted.
Have just been re-watching your old videos and saw this. Great work, love your vids❤️
I rarely discover something entirely new to me about GW, well done !
Well done you two... I have been viewing your vids recently and you are truly helping me getting to grips with millennials. Excellent research on things that i knew were important in my youth and that until now have been in the old kitchen cupboards of my mind. Thankyou, good work. :)
Such a cool video. Obviously a lot of work went into it. Thank you.
I have 2 Tempests, a Cannon of Khorne, and the Cauldron of Khorne. Plus the 2nd and 3rd ed issues of Inquisitor magazine that gave you rules for said editions. Edit: are yall getting some images from Wargame Dork? Cuz that's my blog and if so I am super happy about it.
Really appreciate the effort you guys put in to discovering all of this stuff. fantastic video as ever! :D
Oh wow, this was great! I have an old Warhound titan boxed up in the back of my closet. I think his box says 'Forge World', so he must be one of those bootlegs. Still, just cool to get more info on all this stuff. :D
So thats why warhound titans get that name, thanks guys for the clarity guys!
I miss the old wave serpents, so much more interesting than the slightly different falcon we have now
I have 6 of them!!
They are fantastic
You two are the best. I love this series a lot and it's always a pleasure to see you explain older editions and model lines in good deatail. Please don't stop!
The amount of detail that you went into here (as always) is amazing!
Thank you both wonderful video!
1:20 Those Epic Ork buildings are... um... EPIC!
"Data Fax", that dates the products.
Stumbled across this channel and I was wowed by the quality of it great job
Cool video guys! Any deep dive into oldschool 40k takes me back to my youth. Keep doing what you do Snipe and Wib!
Hey. i own the Eldar Falcon from Armorcast in your video. I mean that actual metallic blue miniature, photographed for the box art, sold to me by the fella that sculpted them a LONG time ago. i also have 2 different Tempests, the Warp Hunter, that Crystal-gun-thing, Old style Falcons from 2 other companies. I once had the Iron-like Wave Serpent, but now have only 2 of the 'sail' portion. Lastly, while I don't have the warhound, I do have the big Plasma gun part. Anyhow, It was very nice to see your video about these. It clears up some cobwebs from my brain.
Great video guys. Your best so far in my opinion. You've clearly put a lot of time and effort into this and I'm sure it was not easy.
It was fun to watch and very informative. Thank you both for making this content.
YES Derby 🙌 The local store is where I learnt the game many moons ago
This is why you guys are a great channel. You guys do the extensive deepdives and research that make interesting stories for us 40k fans!
Fascinating! I've had little luck finding out about this stuff and hearing about the non-40k vehicles produced was something I'd had no idea about!
R.I.P. Mike Biasi and VERY good video and detective work on usenet! :D
Great video, really enjoyed seeing all those old models I've never heard of. The drop pod looks so cute. You guys should do reacting to 40k memes episode, I've seen hundreds of really funny ones.
I brain make hit that like button immediately after the intro started.
And of out nowhere a previously questions of mine about those chibi Marines got answered
You guys are awesome
Great video! I'm actually friends with Tim and Dave, though I'm not sure if I ever met Mike. I've known them since the late 90s. Great guys!! Lots of fun to play games with!! I have a bunch of old Armorcast, and a few Epicast as well!! - Doug
You always produce such fantastic videos! Thank you. :)
I made the '86 shampoo bottle grav tank, as shown in the white dwarf mag with the fantasy battle cover...
Plastic spoon turret and all.
Painted in Red Scorpions campaign colours.
Good days.
(I'll get me coat)
I am so old I have an Epic cast Drop Pod! Codex Zoats for life!
I love how the armorcast tyranids look like they're from an old tokusatsu show
Thanks for another great video on the background of 40K and also damn you as I'm now craving Terrys chocolate Orange!
I have a warhound, reaver, cannon of khorne, cauldron of khorne, and a haruspex. I have a soft spot for old hammer (even though I wasn’t born at that time!)
"forgeworld would go on to make a range of resin models" -screamS: FOR ALL OF 20 MINUTES!
i swear i remember seeing one of those old resin titans for sale in a game shop here in virginia in the late nineties/early 2000's
Fantastic stuff
Being a long time eldar collector I had the armor cast and epicast eldar titans. 2 knights, 1 revenant and 1 phantom. I also had 2 of the cheese wedge Falcons and 1 wind server wave serpent along with the tempedt tank. I even had that unless skimmer and used it for my dar reapers since it was open topped. It rather rude to my opponents to have dark reapers zipping around the board and still firing lol. My phantom was caught at a gaming con and had a lot of resin bubbles. I ended up filling those with epoxy and some with no shrink putty etc.
Fantastic video.
I knew and gamed with Nick Tompkins. Great guy.
Best,
JBR
Cool look back at these old models. I actually picked many of them up back in the day and still have them. Got to get around to painting the Great Gargant one day.
Just pure delight.
I used to own an Eldar Phantom, 3, yes 3 Revenants and a Towering Destroyer. I just have 1 of the Revenants now. I sold the others as I was never going to get around to painting them.
it’s weird how those
old models have a better sense of scale than modern ones. those eldar ones feel like they’re taller than a house, even though they’re realistically around a foot at most.
The Revenant is 11 inches and I think 22 inches for the phantom‘s vaneS
Great video... love these old models... i had two buddys that went to Canada at the time and bought shit loads back... as they dropped out the hobby over the years i bought their models... now have 2 warhounds 2 reavers..baneblade and a shadowsword...both glued and filled not interchangable..... the holy grail is the warlord 🤪
I remember an old games day in the mid 90's where they had a small stall showing off some of these resin kits. Funny to see how GW's attitude to 3rs parties has changed over the years.
Forget the Madcat, I always wanted to buy the Armorcast Atlas, would have made for a wicked Emperor titan :D
>puts Atlas on table
>"...no, you can't just use..."
>puts custom vehicle rules on table
>"oh..."
managed to find an Armorcast Ork Battlewagon just languishing in a 'used mini' section at a local game store a few years back. for only $40, I think I made a good decision rescuing it, even if size creep has rendered it only fit to be a Trukk in the game today.
Aww, I thought you guys were gonna talk about the mess that was Finecast, that infamous resin once used for official WH40k models.
"Once?" Friend, at least a quarter of my army's range is still finecast
I still do really enjoy the Armourcast models I have, I've been allowed to play my Phantom a few times formally.
In the mists of time plastic model prototypes and production units were 3 times the size of the finished article due to the technologies and manufacturing processes of the day these were called "3ups" so the companies that produced these old resin units used the base template of the 3ups and produced an even larger version for 40k. That is why the 40k versions of the model look exactly like the ones used in the epic range, or so i was told a long time ago from a GW store manager.
i have a few of the old armorcast models, the last ones i picked up were a reaver titan and cauldron of blood i bought in april 94 on my way home the radio announced that Kurt Cobain's body had been found, i still have them in the original boxes up in the attic somewhere!
I saw an Eldar Tempest for sale in the GW shop in Oxford Street (London) for £30.
This was while Rhinos were 3 for a tenner and a bit beyond my means at the time...
I'm in Australia, I ended up with a Mike Biasi Tempest, & from Armourcast 2x towering destroyer knights (one with original box) and a Phantom with 2 extra weapons (psylance and power fist), would have loved to get some of the optional heads for the phantom.
Oh man, I remember seeing some of these on the shelves at local game stores when I was first getting into the hobby back in the nineties. With GW taking ever-tightening copyright control, I can't see third party model producers doing casts anymore. However, with the rise of 3D printing I can see some 3D artists selling digital models of "totally generic space elf, space orc, and power-armored marines."
Low-key DrummerMatt in second row there.
13:08 -- "...like the miniature-hoarding goblins we are." -- Hey! I resemble that.
I didn't hear about these when I was playing 40k in the early 90s but I remember desiring one of those Mad Cat 'mechs a few years later when I was into Battletech.
Zingbo I managed to get one along with their 28mm Elementals.
I remember seeing some of the Epicast stuff for sale in the Edinburgh GW around 91/92ish, so they were somewhat available in the uk.
Man, this No Image Available guy sure is popular
Any new codex compliant is a good day for me
side note: one day earlier and it'd have been essentially my 18th birthday gift
That was fascinating to watch, really well researched guys. I'm a huge fan of current day forgeworld and it doesn't surprise me like most GW ventures it has a somewhat shady beginning.
A friend of mine owns a few Armourcast titans, as well as some vechicles. He painted them, but hes never used them.