All of these products are safe to use on the undercarriage of your vehicle. I tested them here on my paint so the results were easy to see and to prove that these products can be used on your paint without any short term side effects. (Washing your car weekly with vinegar probably isn't the smartest thing to do lol.) Links to the products featured in this video: Salts Gone: amzn.to/3XEs2ml Salt Off: amzn.to/40nDhBw Salt Away: amzn.to/3HCEehV 303: amzn.to/3HdTAYR Car Wash Soap: amzn.to/3wFOEXE Vinegar: amzn.to/3Ri7fTb NHOU: nhoilundercoating.com/product... My Amazon Store: www.amazon.com/shop/repairgeek Help support the channel, buy using my Amazon links As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases and your cost is exactly the same.
Hey there, glad to hear were the #1 product people ask you about in this category! Got your website message where you sent us the link, thanks! It would seem that most of your question for us is with regards to the corrosion inhibitors. Corrosion inhibitors in our case are essentially amines (there are many types). Very simply, amines provide vast amounts of electrons to the surface. Why is this important? In elementary terms, salt is corrosive because when Na and Cl combine to form salt it's actually very "unstable" and has an extreme desire for electrons. The electrons leaving the metal is what we see as rust or oxidation. Amine corrosion inhibitors are providing huge amounts of electrons back onto the surface. These electrons end up being a sacrificed as new accumulation of salt begins. Naturally there is a threshold of how many sacrificial electrons, vs how many are needed. This buildup of electrons generally happens with repeated use and I would not expect the product to act as a flash rust inhibitor (different product). However that being said, our customers tag us in lots of videos where you can visually see the reversal of rust which is the same products that are inhibiting it. If you have more questions about it would love to explain more in depth how it all works! But due to the nature of the heavy industrial side of the business (oil/gas/chem plants) and aviation side lotssss of companies have done all the fun testing. If you're interested in why the acid products like vinegar work; salt is unique as it has a ph of 7. The basic premise behind using an acid is that if one of the physical characteristics of the salt is altered (its ph in this case) it will not be salt any longer. This is correct. The issue with it lies in exactly the points that you made in your video is that acids are harsh to the common finishes, waxes, polishes etc. you would have on a vehicle. If you have a ph meter in your garage stick it in the concentrate of the Salts Gone. You will see that even the concentrate is ph neutral (stick it in your ph neutral car soap too, usually they are not anywhere close to neutral). The Salts Gone is chelating the salt. Which is basically giving the sodium something it likes more than chlorine and the chlorine something it likes more than sodium. By re-thinking the way it's been attacked in the past is how we came up with the best solution. We love corrosion, customer videos and honesty reviews! Thanks for including us this time around! I'll post a few of those videos we get tagged in.
Thanks for another great detail oriented video. Your fluid film videos got me spray all my trucks and it works great. My frame and body panels thanks you
Hey bud, never realized that you were so close to Copley Ohio I reposted your natural gas conversion vid. Just saw your vid. That shows the best way to protect my v hi cal frame from rust. Great stuff your doing!!
I'm a chemist. The SDS with the "sodium salt" tells me that the counter ion of the emulsifier soap anion is sodium and not what you believe that it is sodium chloride, commonly known as salt.
I feel your the most honest with this review. I've watch reviews on these salt removal products and most reviews I have seen is being used then chasing after with a detail spray afterwards as if the salt removal products didn't remove100% of the salt grime. I just wash with a soft micro mitt and warm water. Warm water will help break down the salt detergent. Then I chase it with a spray retailer to add glass and protection. Worked for me. I'm pretty particular when cleaning I get everywhere underneath and paintwork.
Hey My cousin has been washing all his vehicles ( he has like 7 vehicles) undercarriages every spring summer. Never really treated them with anything like Fluid Film. They were pretty much rot or rust out free till he passed. I believe washing tremendously helped out. I’ve used CRC salt remover on my trucks during washing and prior to Fluid Film application or any other rust prevention product.
I spray woolwax under and inside the body of my suburban but am still getting rust forming on pinch welds and sharp edges of the inner fender. How are you preventing rusting in these areas. I was thinking maybe spraying this stuff just to help those areas. Yours do not appear to be rusting are you doing something special to these areas?
Fluid Film is a bit thinner and creeps easier. I spray that inside my rockers and doors, and it crept out the pinch seams and drains on the bottoms of the doors and actually crept up the bottom outside surface of each door. Makes for a bit more mess/work when washing the truck, but there's no doubt that the fluid film and absolutely saturated all of the spots I'm worried about.
Hello, Thank you for the upload. I always trust your findings. Realistically, what is the best thing to wash your salty car without resorting to these special products or a vinegar acid?
I guess I'm not really sure what you're asking. I tested regular soap and water along side all these products. I don't know what else there is that isn't a special product.
@@Ram14250 if you're using car wash soap and rinsing with plenty of water there probably isn't much of an advantage. I've never had an issue with my vehicle's paint because of salt exposure. Proper undercoating will keep the salt from becoming an issue with the undercarriage as well. Like it said in the video. I don't see huge advantages to using these products if you're using an undercoating.
Bilt-Hamber Touchless or Auto-foam is a GREAT pre-wash on salty and mucky cars for the winter. I use an IK Foam Pro 12 w/ 6-8 oz of Bilt-Hamber and 1 gallon of water and it melts away a big amount of the "crap" on the car. I'd pre-treat before going into a touch-free carwash and while it's not 100% removed (contact wash is the only way to achieve this) but if you do this and then go home and do a rinseless wash you'll have a great experience because it's fairly clean at that point👍👍
Question regarding POR 15. I have used POR on my 1963 Porsche to stop rust. I have painted the whole under carriage over the the last 15 years. What should I do to apply rubberized undercoat onto the existing POR rust encapsulation ? I just discovered your channel and I am impressed with your content and glad I found you. I thank you for your efforts. Steve L. Dallas, Texas
Sodium salts is chemical name of the ingredient..it means it has a sodium group - most likely to increase solubility..IT IS NOT SALT (NaCl)... so don't worry about the sodium "salts" in the products. (Scientist here)
Well it wasn’t designed for cars. It was designed to flush boat engines and remove salt off the hull and deck BEFORE washing it. It was first sold in west marine.
I hear ya about a vehicle that’s undercoated. But what about a vehicle that’s never been undercoated? I E my truck is a 2011 From N C and no rust but surface. It ran its 1st winter in Pa. I will woolwax it but I want to spray underneath with saltsgone 1st.
Will salts gone be safe to apply to the undercarriage of a recently fluid filmed chassis? will it remove any of that film application? and should I re-apply fluid film after spraying down with salt remover? thanks in advance. great info in this video!
Just dilute an APC like Super Clean 5:1 and put in a pump sprayer and apply it to the paint. Don't it dry. Spray off. That should remove salt and brine
Local shop that does undercoating uses Salt Gone on untreated vehicles, rinse, dry overnight, and oil product of your choice. I think the important thing is to do something to reduce the corrosion. Some treatment is better than nothing
I race a land speed car on the salt flats . We have several chase vehicles and race trailer that gets blasted with salt . Last year we tried treating the undercarriage of the vehicles before entering the salt flats with a product called USA Fluid. Wasnt impressed. Any ideas on what we could use as a treatment.?
Hello so i was surprised to hear that there is salt in car wash soap , So do you have any recommendations of car wash soap that does not have salt added i have been using Meguiar's gold class car wash
I haven't. It's not worth the aggravation for me. I did this video a couple of years ago on setting up the cam timing: ua-cam.com/video/sQPaU1cEWVs/v-deo.html $650 for the cams, another $230 for valve springs, another $200+ for an injector upgrade, $179 for a higher output fuel pump, & the required tuning for $500+. That's $1800 total just for the cams. When you're done, the car is going to make 280-290 at the wheels with all the bolt ons, (LTs, O/R X, Throttle body & Plenum). Way too much $ and work to make less than 300 hp while giving up drivability, and low end power.
I think there's more to this than "washing it off," it's about neutralizing the corrosion factor. Did you send out the samples to a lab? I don't know how you make any of these claims without analyzing the chemistry.
@@RepairGeek gotcha thanks. I’m leaning towards lanolin. Picking up a 2019 duramax on Monday so I’ve been doing a bit of digging and your channel has really helped make a decision. Minnesota gets a lot of salt on the roads
Car wash soap will remove salt but won’t actually remove the salt. It will be noticeably cleaner obviously because you’re washing the built up salt off but the salt that’s chemically attached to the vehicle has not been neutralized.
I dont see the point in these salt removal products at all, especially with using it on the painted outside surface of the car..you want to remove salt, just wash it like you normally would with car wash soap and a sponge..takes less effort and way cheaper. As far as washing the undercarriage, if you have access to hot water and a garden hose thats the easiest way to rinse salt away. I do it weekly in the winter just because i hate having dried salt buildup on the underside of my truck. Attach the hose to my laundry sink in the basement and run the hose out the window to my driveway..only downside is having to reapply fluid film a couple times throughout the winter as it usually washes some of it away.
As always, great content and very throughoutful testing and conclusions, good work 👍 I just think the clickbaity title is very unprofessional and discredible.
The first video got 40k views in 3 years. Will a clickbait title increase the views? Let's find out together. People hate clickbait but, it get's views.
All of these products are safe to use on the undercarriage of your vehicle. I tested them here on my paint so the results were easy to see and to prove that these products can be used on your paint without any short term side effects. (Washing your car weekly with vinegar probably isn't the smartest thing to do lol.)
Links to the products featured in this video:
Salts Gone: amzn.to/3XEs2ml
Salt Off: amzn.to/40nDhBw
Salt Away: amzn.to/3HCEehV
303: amzn.to/3HdTAYR
Car Wash Soap: amzn.to/3wFOEXE
Vinegar: amzn.to/3Ri7fTb
NHOU: nhoilundercoating.com/product...
My Amazon Store: www.amazon.com/shop/repairgeek
Help support the channel, buy using my Amazon links
As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases and your cost is exactly the same.
Can you test the salts gone rust converter? $180 a gallon!
Hey there, glad to hear were the #1 product people ask you about in this category! Got your website message where you sent us the link, thanks! It would seem that most of your question for us is with regards to the corrosion inhibitors. Corrosion inhibitors in our case are essentially amines (there are many types). Very simply, amines provide vast amounts of electrons to the surface. Why is this important? In elementary terms, salt is corrosive because when Na and Cl combine to form salt it's actually very "unstable" and has an extreme desire for electrons. The electrons leaving the metal is what we see as rust or oxidation. Amine corrosion inhibitors are providing huge amounts of electrons back onto the surface. These electrons end up being a sacrificed as new accumulation of salt begins. Naturally there is a threshold of how many sacrificial electrons, vs how many are needed. This buildup of electrons generally happens with repeated use and I would not expect the product to act as a flash rust inhibitor (different product). However that being said, our customers tag us in lots of videos where you can visually see the reversal of rust which is the same products that are inhibiting it. If you have more questions about it would love to explain more in depth how it all works! But due to the nature of the heavy industrial side of the business (oil/gas/chem plants) and aviation side lotssss of companies have done all the fun testing.
If you're interested in why the acid products like vinegar work; salt is unique as it has a ph of 7. The basic premise behind using an acid is that if one of the physical characteristics of the salt is altered (its ph in this case) it will not be salt any longer. This is correct. The issue with it lies in exactly the points that you made in your video is that acids are harsh to the common finishes, waxes, polishes etc. you would have on a vehicle.
If you have a ph meter in your garage stick it in the concentrate of the Salts Gone. You will see that even the concentrate is ph neutral (stick it in your ph neutral car soap too, usually they are not anywhere close to neutral). The Salts Gone is chelating the salt. Which is basically giving the sodium something it likes more than chlorine and the chlorine something it likes more than sodium. By re-thinking the way it's been attacked in the past is how we came up with the best solution.
We love corrosion, customer videos and honesty reviews! Thanks for including us this time around! I'll post a few of those videos we get tagged in.
Cool thx
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Explaining the molecular mechanics sold me on it!
Long read but good break down of the product info.
W company
I’m sold by salt gone commenting ….that is friekn cool
You can't beat a soap review from a guy that worked at a soap factory ! Thanks from Minnesota
Thanks for another great detail oriented video. Your fluid film videos got me spray all my trucks and it works great. My frame and body panels thanks you
Great to hear!
Hey bud, never realized that you were so close to Copley Ohio
I reposted your natural gas conversion vid. Just saw your vid. That shows the best way to protect my v hi cal frame from rust. Great stuff your doing!!
I'm just south of Richfield. About 2 miles from Revere High School.
I'm a chemist. The SDS with the "sodium salt" tells me that the counter ion of the emulsifier soap anion is sodium and not what you believe that it is sodium chloride, commonly known as salt.
That's very possible. I've also seen entire pallets of salt go into a batch of soap. 🤷♂️
I feel your the most honest with this review. I've watch reviews on these salt removal products and most reviews I have seen is being used then chasing after with a detail spray afterwards as if the salt removal products didn't remove100% of the salt grime. I just wash with a soft micro mitt and warm water. Warm water will help break down the salt detergent. Then I chase it with a spray retailer to add glass and protection. Worked for me. I'm pretty particular when cleaning I get everywhere underneath and paintwork.
Or run through a brushless car wash
Thanks for putting time into this. Great video
Hey My cousin has been washing all his vehicles ( he has like 7 vehicles) undercarriages every spring summer. Never really treated them with anything like Fluid Film.
They were pretty much rot or rust out free till he passed. I believe washing tremendously helped out. I’ve used CRC salt remover on my trucks during washing and prior to Fluid Film application or any other rust prevention product.
So with lanolin in my experience it washes away in the wheel wells. I know salt gets through to the base metal in some areas .
I spray woolwax under and inside the body of my suburban but am still getting rust forming on pinch welds and sharp edges of the inner fender. How are you preventing rusting in these areas. I was thinking maybe spraying this stuff just to help those areas. Yours do not appear to be rusting are you doing something special to these areas?
Fluid Film is a bit thinner and creeps easier. I spray that inside my rockers and doors, and it crept out the pinch seams and drains on the bottoms of the doors and actually crept up the bottom outside surface of each door. Makes for a bit more mess/work when washing the truck, but there's no doubt that the fluid film and absolutely saturated all of the spots I'm worried about.
Hello, Thank you for the upload. I always trust your findings. Realistically, what is the best thing to wash your salty car without resorting to these special products or a vinegar acid?
I guess I'm not really sure what you're asking. I tested regular soap and water along side all these products. I don't know what else there is that isn't a special product.
@@RepairGeek thanks. I meant is it better to just use regular car soap and wash it like regular?
@@Ram14250 if you're using car wash soap and rinsing with plenty of water there probably isn't much of an advantage. I've never had an issue with my vehicle's paint because of salt exposure. Proper undercoating will keep the salt from becoming an issue with the undercarriage as well.
Like it said in the video. I don't see huge advantages to using these products if you're using an undercoating.
Bilt-Hamber Touchless or Auto-foam is a GREAT pre-wash on salty and mucky cars for the winter. I use an IK Foam Pro 12 w/ 6-8 oz of Bilt-Hamber and 1 gallon of water and it melts away a big amount of the "crap" on the car. I'd pre-treat before going into a touch-free carwash and while it's not 100% removed (contact wash is the only way to achieve this) but if you do this and then go home and do a rinseless wash you'll have a great experience because it's fairly clean at that point👍👍
Question regarding POR 15. I have used POR on my 1963 Porsche to stop rust. I have painted the whole under carriage over the the last 15 years. What should I do to apply rubberized undercoat onto the existing POR rust encapsulation ? I just discovered your channel and I am impressed with your content and glad I found you. I thank you for your efforts.
Steve L. Dallas, Texas
I'm not a huge fan of POR15 in general. I wouldn't topcoat it.
ua-cam.com/video/WZr4qoKGfXs/v-deo.html
Sodium salts is chemical name of the ingredient..it means it has a sodium group - most likely to increase solubility..IT IS NOT SALT (NaCl)... so don't worry about the sodium "salts" in the products. (Scientist here)
Well it wasn’t designed for cars. It was designed to flush boat engines and remove salt off the hull and deck BEFORE washing it. It was first sold in west marine.
How big of sprayer do you need for a truck 1 gallon or 2 gallon?
A fellow cherry limeade sparkling ice lover. My guy!
Would the vinegar water and soap mix be safe to use on the undercarriage?
I hear ya about a vehicle that’s undercoated. But what about a vehicle that’s never been undercoated? I E my truck is a 2011 From N C and no rust but surface. It ran its 1st winter in Pa. I will woolwax it but I want to spray underneath with saltsgone 1st.
Will salts gone be safe to apply to the undercarriage of a recently fluid filmed chassis? will it remove any of that film application? and should I re-apply fluid film after spraying down with salt remover? thanks in advance. great info in this video!
Why not ask salts gone…? Lmao
I have a white vehicle and there's some kind of brownish goop on it. I can't remove it with a regular car wash.
Just dilute an APC like Super Clean 5:1 and put in a pump sprayer and apply it to the paint. Don't it dry. Spray off. That should remove salt and brine
Can you test the salts gone rust converter? $180 a gallon!
Sounds like it might be worth using these as prep before applying oil?
My thoughts exactly.
Only if you have JUST driven though salt and want to coat the vehicle. Rain throughout the year will remove the salt as well.
Local shop that does undercoating uses Salt Gone on untreated vehicles, rinse, dry overnight, and oil product of your choice. I think the important thing is to do something to reduce the corrosion. Some treatment is better than nothing
I race a land speed car on the salt flats . We have several chase vehicles and race trailer that gets blasted with salt . Last year we tried treating the undercarriage of the vehicles before entering the salt flats with a product called USA Fluid. Wasnt impressed. Any ideas on what we could use as a treatment.?
I do alot of beach driving and beach launch my boat so I get salt all over the car just wanted to know is best for cleaning it off car
Hello so i was surprised to hear that there is salt in car wash soap , So do you have any recommendations of car wash soap that does not have salt added i have been using Meguiar's gold class car wash
Can you estimate how long before lanolin washes off inside doors and other wet locations?
I believe UV degrades it.
Repairgeek- have you ever swapped cams on your 2v mustang? If so, is there a video for it? I have a 99 mustang gt and might try at some point.
I haven't. It's not worth the aggravation for me. I did this video a couple of years ago on setting up the cam timing: ua-cam.com/video/sQPaU1cEWVs/v-deo.html
$650 for the cams, another $230 for valve springs, another $200+ for an injector upgrade, $179 for a higher output fuel pump, & the required tuning for $500+. That's $1800 total just for the cams.
When you're done, the car is going to make 280-290 at the wheels with all the bolt ons, (LTs, O/R X, Throttle body & Plenum). Way too much $ and work to make less than 300 hp while giving up drivability, and low end power.
How much were they concentrated?
I think there's more to this than "washing it off," it's about neutralizing the corrosion factor. Did you send out the samples to a lab? I don't know how you make any of these claims without analyzing the chemistry.
Salts Gone never sent anything out to a lab and has no issue making these claims: ua-cam.com/video/yuIBO9wQUlY/v-deo.html
Hey what’s your take on asphalt based undercoating
Don't use it.
@@RepairGeek care to elaborate or send a link of a video that you might have done
This video is a textbook example why:ua-cam.com/video/nXvl9nt57Kg/v-deo.html
@@RepairGeek gotcha thanks. I’m leaning towards lanolin. Picking up a 2019 duramax on Monday so I’ve been doing a bit of digging and your channel has really helped make a decision. Minnesota gets a lot of salt on the roads
Thanks RG
Car wash soap will remove salt but won’t actually remove the salt. It will be noticeably cleaner obviously because you’re washing the built up salt off but the salt that’s chemically attached to the vehicle has not been neutralized.
I don't know how you separate salt from dirt? There is probably plenty of cheap car wash soap that will do just as well or better than all these.
I literally tested car wash soap in the video....
I believe these products are more for boat owners than vehicles.
You are telling me that I scrub myself with salt?
Most definitely yes.
I dont see the point in these salt removal products at all, especially with using it on the painted outside surface of the car..you want to remove salt, just wash it like you normally would with car wash soap and a sponge..takes less effort and way cheaper. As far as washing the undercarriage, if you have access to hot water and a garden hose thats the easiest way to rinse salt away. I do it weekly in the winter just because i hate having dried salt buildup on the underside of my truck. Attach the hose to my laundry sink in the basement and run the hose out the window to my driveway..only downside is having to reapply fluid film a couple times throughout the winter as it usually washes some of it away.
As always, great content and very throughoutful testing and conclusions, good work 👍 I just think the clickbaity title is very unprofessional and discredible.
The first video got 40k views in 3 years. Will a clickbait title increase the views? Let's find out together. People hate clickbait but, it get's views.
I just fluid film my truck every fall it's good 👍 cool vid 🛻👍
Bingo 👍