On the Brace Ban and Non-Compliance

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  • Опубліковано 31 січ 2023
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  • @mordant221
    @mordant221 Рік тому +2033

    My Dad only knew about this ruling recently, and only cause I told him. He doesn't follow gun news and bought his CZ Scorpion with an arm brace, not knowing it wasn't even a stock. Imagine the thousands if not millions of people out there who are about to become felons without ever knowing it.

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Рік тому +192

      Those are the folks who are going to get bound up. Someone like your dad bought it not really knowing anything but it was cool/worked/was what they needed. They happen to be the unlucky victim of a home invasion and use the braced pistol to defend their lives…. And now they’re in court for federal charges

    • @tenchraven
      @tenchraven Рік тому +56

      I can imagine. And we need those people to not know. The more of those people who get arrested, the better our chances of shutting this down for being over reach in violation Constitution, an attempt at entrapment, and at worse demonstrate that braced pistols are widespread, and at best if the ATF is right and these are SBRs then there are millions of SBRs in use and use it to kick a couple legs of out from under NFA34. This is lawfare.

    • @RedEyePergo
      @RedEyePergo Рік тому +1

      Way to narc on your Dad , you dummy

    • @czgunner
      @czgunner Рік тому +50

      They will roll these people up and let them "plea deal" by surrendering ALL of their 2A rights and guns.

    • @MoSportsUSA
      @MoSportsUSA Рік тому +22

      To be construed as a felon presupposes someone intentionally ignoring a federal and/or state law; this ATF ruling is neither.

  • @68Lima
    @68Lima Рік тому +1251

    You know you've made it when the ATF cites your UA-cam videos.

    • @jtlegionnaire6310
      @jtlegionnaire6310 Рік тому +14

      Do you know what page it's on? I couldn't find it lol

    • @MegaDman34
      @MegaDman34 Рік тому +67

      Cites

    • @forkthepork
      @forkthepork Рік тому +45

      @@MegaDman34 Iron sights, gobbless

    • @Get_Splooshed
      @Get_Splooshed Рік тому +1

      You know the ATF is a bunch of retards when they gotta use UA-cam videos as their source material

    • @MegaDman34
      @MegaDman34 Рік тому +1

      @@forkthepork psytes

  • @taterc229
    @taterc229 Рік тому +560

    I’m glad the ATF gave everyone a good lesson on what following rules and trying to be a good boi gets you.

    • @black-ic3973
      @black-ic3973 Рік тому +39

      Not yet they haven't. That's coming once people attempt to register and are denied.

    • @hiwayhighway9925
      @hiwayhighway9925 Рік тому

      It might be a gift if this results in repeal to NFA etc. The document is so thoroughly messed up it's laughable.

    • @LibertyPrime1982
      @LibertyPrime1982 Рік тому +10

      Peak sarcasm

    • @moargr4yons
      @moargr4yons Рік тому

      realistically the only people who are going to get screwed by this rule are people committing other crimes

    • @REDACTED-1
      @REDACTED-1 Рік тому +1

      Good goy. Not boi.

  • @marybaxter2559
    @marybaxter2559 Рік тому +97

    I've always liked this quote:
    “Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. ” ― Pericles

    • @AnonyMous-wo1vm
      @AnonyMous-wo1vm Рік тому +2

      Ah, much like "I don't believe in war, but war sure as hell believes in me"

    • @lindboknifeandtool
      @lindboknifeandtool Рік тому +1

      Illusion of choice and control is so irritating that hope in our nation is gone with my generation.

  • @EricDaMAJ
    @EricDaMAJ Рік тому +902

    Me prior to this video: _"I would never send a dick pic to anyone. That's lewd and disgusting."_
    Me after this video: _"Dear ATF, Please inform me if my gun in this picture counts as an SBR."_

    • @bassmonster420
      @bassmonster420 Рік тому +9

      Bahahaha!

    • @beardly0121
      @beardly0121 Рік тому +137

      Atf response : "Yeah dude sorry but thats definitely an SBR"

    • @chrisruthford4492
      @chrisruthford4492 Рік тому +4

      🤣

    • @imperfectlump6070
      @imperfectlump6070 Рік тому +21

      And they would tell you they were going to be inspecting it for serial numbers. Better get a tattoo.

    • @innercityprepper
      @innercityprepper Рік тому +29

      But my girlfriend said it was a good size rifle!

  • @jonathansmith7306
    @jonathansmith7306 Рік тому +101

    It seems everyone is eternally missing the point...stop demanding to be allowed pistol braces, start demanding to be allowed unrestricted SBRs.
    Gun people are always bitterly clinging to their legal loopholes

    • @lazystart
      @lazystart Рік тому +6

      I think people cling to the loopholes because until recently, the Supreme Court didn't take up many, if any second amendment cases, so anything anyone wanted had to be trick shots around arbitrary rules and vague language.

    • @smokedbeefandcheese4144
      @smokedbeefandcheese4144 Рік тому +6

      It’s not a loophole though it’s following the law. Following the law is not a loophole. If people did not want the law to be written that way they would write it a different way. You’re buying into anti-gun nonsense and assuming that loopholes are even a thing. Being able to privately sell another individual a firearm is not a loophole. But the gun show loophole people who are anti-gun say it is. Why are you using antigun logic. If you care about the second amendment at all.

    • @WalrusWinking
      @WalrusWinking Рік тому +1

      It's not even a loophole, though.

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 Рік тому +2

      The NFA is going nowhere. The atf will throw out the rule before the NFA and GCA are eliminated

  • @omegaentertainment1
    @omegaentertainment1 Рік тому +22

    What's crazy isn't all of the people who've done pistol builds, but the random people who have literally walked into a store and bought a braced gun as a pistol and now they have NO idea about any of this.

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 Рік тому

      They’ll either get arrested, ditch it, or destroy it.

    • @ralan350
      @ralan350 Рік тому

      You are correct it is scary number of people who probably have no idea that they’re now violating a edict from a federal agency

  • @blackbeardgamer5909
    @blackbeardgamer5909 Рік тому +19

    If having a brace makes it an NFA item, I might as well drill that third pin and add a regular stock ( in Minecraft of course )

  • @jdenney
    @jdenney Рік тому +1222

    There are people that don't even understand that you can't just go across state lines and legally pick up a pistol and walk out of the store with it.

    • @sigspearthumb5116
      @sigspearthumb5116 Рік тому +66

      I travel for work and it sucks i cant buy any of the cool stuff i see

    • @Fofiddly
      @Fofiddly Рік тому +37

      @@sigspearthumb5116 same, I’m in a neutered state that doesn’t allow a lot of cool shit. Sucks since I’m 30 min away good one.

    • @BrassCatcher
      @BrassCatcher Рік тому +14

      I tried to buy a gun from a brick and mortar PSA while on vacation and they wouldn’t sell it to me.

    • @creekochee3592
      @creekochee3592 Рік тому +91

      @@sigspearthumb5116 A way around that is to buy the gun, and then have that FFL ship it your local FFL.

    • @5jjt
      @5jjt Рік тому +42

      I don't blame them. The 2nd Amendment is pretty effin clear.

  • @MadMagyar13
    @MadMagyar13 Рік тому +1978

    It’s not a law, it’s a capricious and arbitrary RULE that they’re passing off under the guise of a law

    • @rudder727
      @rudder727 Рік тому +90

      @@SP-ny7lw SBR's are defined by laws. The ATF just can't suddenly say something is a NFA item. If that were the case... the ATF can just say AR-15 needs a tax stamp and be registered. Which they very may well try if the pistol brace thing withstands court challenges.

    • @Matt-xc6sp
      @Matt-xc6sp Рік тому

      @@SP-ny7lw Worked on Al Capone. Don’t know why they need to shoot so many dogs for tax crimes though.

    • @yakivpopavich
      @yakivpopavich Рік тому +12

      Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.

    • @BillWilsonBG
      @BillWilsonBG Рік тому +73

      Can we stop pretending as if this word game makes a shit bit of difference?
      One side has a monopoly on violence and is willing to use it to enforce their will and then there is everyone else online saying akshually this technically x instead of y.
      It doesn't matter if they call it the pretty pink pony compromise of 2023. If they aren't challenged in the courts and they can send armed individuals to your house with the implicit threat of lethal force without any other legal entity that can not only determine it is unlawful, and enforce that determination their own agents, the technically correct legal definitions don't make a lick of difference.

    • @99cobra2881
      @99cobra2881 Рік тому +74

      @@yakivpopavich
      If its time to bury them, its time to dig them up.

  • @hopelessmotorsports5922
    @hopelessmotorsports5922 Рік тому +44

    “I don’t think anyone I have ever voted for has one anything” that hit me good because that has been the experience of my entire political life.

    • @John-mf6ky
      @John-mf6ky Рік тому

      Yup, it's been the case here for decades. Regardless of what side of the fence.

    • @WalrusWinking
      @WalrusWinking Рік тому +10

      I read this like 6 times before I realized you misspelled "won" to "one".

    • @kafeh3300
      @kafeh3300 Рік тому

      @@WalrusWinking Yeah it's a bit weird but eh, we understood him in the end

    • @christianhardwick6530
      @christianhardwick6530 Рік тому +1

      You didn’t vote for Trump then eh

    • @KeepTheGates
      @KeepTheGates Рік тому

      @@christianhardwick6530 Trump is a dumbass

  • @kennethlee5985
    @kennethlee5985 Рік тому +18

    One thing, this is in no way shape or form a law. Its a "rule" that they are interpreting as they feel like on any given day

  • @TsunTzu
    @TsunTzu Рік тому +335

    If this move doesn't get SBRs removed from the NFA- Bruen and Heller should be all that's required for a legal argument in that case -then I'm going to be genuinely disappointed in the 2A organizations.
    They've literally 'made' them common use items with the stroke of a pen.

    • @matthewconnor5483
      @matthewconnor5483 Рік тому +22

      Don't forget W. Virginia v EPA.

    • @TsunTzu
      @TsunTzu Рік тому +9

      @@matthewconnor5483 Exactly, that too. Multiple angles of attack.

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu Рік тому

      It's hard to get shit removed once it's on the books... Look at machine guns, suppressors, SBRs and now bump stocks. They're taking away our 2A rights one small step at a time. It's a slow and long game to them and they know how to play it well...

    • @tseawell90
      @tseawell90 Рік тому +5

      I don’t trust the opinions of people with anime profile pics.

    • @matthewconnor5483
      @matthewconnor5483 Рік тому +10

      @@TheFlyingZulu courts just threw out the bump stock ban.

  • @usonumabeach300
    @usonumabeach300 Рік тому +407

    The ATF isn't a regulatory body voted into power, they are an enforcement agency (executive, they execute the will of the legislative branch), they are taking it upon themselves to interpret unclear laws in a manner that suits their political beliefs, which is outside of their purview. They believe they have precedence to do so under Chevron Deference, which was established by courts for unrelated cases/laws.

    • @jehb3901
      @jehb3901 Рік тому +10

      If the ATF had a conservative/gun owner bias it would be the exact same thing man, you're just mad that it's happening to you instead of someone else

    • @joejohnson4183
      @joejohnson4183 Рік тому +1

      Try looking to page 16 of ATF's final rule and look up the US codes listed and see how ATF gets it's power to do so .

    • @rustyshackleford4438
      @rustyshackleford4438 Рік тому +40

      @@jehb3901 if the atf had a gun bias then they wouldn't persecute any citizen. Pretty dumb thing to say on the internet.

    • @frankcastenza6361
      @frankcastenza6361 Рік тому

      @@jehb3901 jewish fingers typed this comment. Whatcha up to rabbi?

    • @Cipher160
      @Cipher160 Рік тому

      @@rustyshackleford4438 .... The entire point of our Judiciary system isn't suppose to be a bias. The ATF is responsible for enforcing the completely pointless and outdated NFA. Braces are yet another blatant attempt to bypass the NFA. Instead of working to repeal the NFA.... LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR 60+ FUCKING YEARS.... people just went "Herr durrr it a peestol. ATF man stewpid" and then shouldered the fucking thing on every social media site possible. This never would have happened if people didn't feel the fucking need to plaster their stupid fucking faces shouldering braces. Every anti-gunner who doesn't know a damn thing about guns would have went about their lives but no... people had to be fucking stupid and here we are.

  • @mikethefireman6696
    @mikethefireman6696 Рік тому +108

    Hop shall forever be in the Federal Registry (as a reference). A huge feat that almost no one can boast about or get credit for. Keep up the awesome content.

    • @RighteousLiberty
      @RighteousLiberty Рік тому

      How is that an honor with a video like this. An honor would be like being in the register for a video like James Yeager’a 2013 “pack your bags” video.

    • @stargazerlaurent6780
      @stargazerlaurent6780 Рік тому +1

      This is true. I used to dog on Buck Yeager pretty bad but at least he didn’t mind pushing the envelope. He really wasn’t wrong

    • @Puca_Patchworks
      @Puca_Patchworks Рік тому

      @@RighteousLiberty Ditch Bitch Yeager? Yeah what a great dude, not.

    • @RighteousLiberty
      @RighteousLiberty Рік тому

      @@Puca_Patchworks
      I have my criticisms of him, especially in the latter years, but at least when they talked about banning things by EO or a “rule” back in 2013 he didn’t just advocate compliance as an option like many are doing now.

    • @spacebagels_5217
      @spacebagels_5217 Рік тому

      He literally became a reference FOR the ATF on why we shouldn’t be allowed to have braces. Are you dense? 🤡🤣

  • @AJ-xc4nm
    @AJ-xc4nm 8 місяців тому +5

    Came back to this video after the ban got all but thrown out. Too bad for all the suckers that registered. the ATF got exactly what they wanted.

  • @AllAhabNoMoby
    @AllAhabNoMoby Рік тому +46

    "The new version of the law..." Let's make one thing clear, the ATF does not make or amend laws.

    • @edwardlance2379
      @edwardlance2379 Рік тому +1

      No, they don't, but their willy-nilly interpretations and re-interpretations have the same effect, so what's the difference? Until this gets challenged in court (and until it is struck down by a court), then it is, for all intents and purposes "the law" by which you will be prosecuted if caught with an "illegal" firearm.
      As for chevron deference, it only applies in cases where the law is ambiguous. The ATF, and indeed, the definitions and laws made by congress in this case are anything but ambiguous. The ATF's copious letters to that effect are evidence.
      I hope the entire SBR thing gets tossed from the NFA, if for no other reason than "common use"...use that the ATF has clearly allowed for a couple of decades. DOn't forget, the bump stock ban was recently over turned, so it's not impossible.

  • @lazystart
    @lazystart Рік тому +640

    It seems that the best advice so far is to wait 30 to 60 days into the "amnesty" period to see which legal challenges take hold before doing anything, compliance or otherwise. The Washington Gun Law channel has some pretty good breakdowns of it

    • @StEvEn420BrUlE
      @StEvEn420BrUlE Рік тому +46

      Fuck it wait till day 119, let the courts work out as much as they can

    • @lazystart
      @lazystart Рік тому +6

      @StEvEn420BrUlE I probably should have said at least 30 to 60 days, a common number I've seen is 80 days. The 119 days is a good option for the, "well, you idiots asked for it" malicious compliance option to overload the ATF en masse. The advice I've seen takes into account people who for whatever reason being in compliance with the latest silly rule makes sense (even if it doesn't, but whatever)

    • @kellyshea92
      @kellyshea92 Рік тому +38

      @@StEvEn420BrUlE or just not comply. They cant come after all of us.

    • @yakivpopavich
      @yakivpopavich Рік тому +8

      Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.

    • @whatsmolly5741
      @whatsmolly5741 Рік тому +6

      @Kelly Shea jokes on you, I'm in California I cant comply even if I had the intention xD

  • @patrickedwards7107
    @patrickedwards7107 Рік тому +2

    Feds enter Appalachia woods
    Suddenly hear song coming from the trees getting louder and closer:
    "Which side are you on boy"

  • @GunsandTactics
    @GunsandTactics Рік тому +3

    Not a popular topic Hop but a great discussion and solid points. All my best to you!!

  • @sackychin6267
    @sackychin6267 Рік тому +461

    The constitution once again fails to limit the power of the government

    • @spartaninvirginia
      @spartaninvirginia Рік тому +22

      Not only has it failed to restrain the leviathan we have now, it's almost encouraged it.

    • @flameguy3416
      @flameguy3416 Рік тому +79

      Cowardice is causing this, if people acted against this they would win.

    • @alastor8091
      @alastor8091 Рік тому +35

      The document states what is unsaid by nature. We have the right to self defense and can only remain free with the ability to commit violence against our leaders should they step out of line. We all know what needs to be done, but how many of us are willing to throw ourselves into the fire for eachother?

    • @_hi_pwr
      @_hi_pwr Рік тому +1

      @@Wxman9123 agreed

    • @axelmilan4292
      @axelmilan4292 Рік тому +57

      The Constitution is only as effective as the people willing to enforce it. Cowardice led to our current predicament, not the Constitution.

  • @thebernice6062
    @thebernice6062 Рік тому +152

    I believe this issue could accidently end the SBS/SBR regulations due to the vagueness of the 1934 NFA. Those regulations were part of a section intended to ban handguns that was struck from the bill before it became a law and therefore are just junk language that doesn't apply to anything. The ATF has been making and changing rules based on this junk language for almost 100 years. Using the "void for vagueness" court doctrine, the constant changing interpretations from the very agency meant to regulate items using the 1934 NFA as its guide can only mean the SBR/SBS language in the 1934 NFA is too vague to enforce and must be struck down in court.

    • @kopfjager6995
      @kopfjager6995 Рік тому +3

      Thinking the same thing

    • @sgt.lt.mjr.pepperface4627
      @sgt.lt.mjr.pepperface4627 Рік тому

      No it won't

    • @ShaggyRogers1
      @ShaggyRogers1 Рік тому +14

      @@sgt.lt.mjr.pepperface4627 Rule of Lenity. The ATF has put it on their own shoulders to create all the vagueness necessary to count. If the ATF can't even agree with itself on what the different vague language is supposed to mean, then a citizen cannot be reasonable expected to. Such vague bits must be corrected by Congress, not judges or law enforcement, as per SCOTUS.

    • @hiwayhighway9925
      @hiwayhighway9925 Рік тому +15

      Yeah I want to hear the argument about how SBRs are unusual and dangerous compared to a non braced pistol. The lies that are forthcoming are going to be ridiculous.

    • @John-mf6ky
      @John-mf6ky Рік тому +2

      @@generallobster have they ever?

  • @ianreed3955
    @ianreed3955 Рік тому +2

    So here’s how it played out with me: The ATF already has my info for a supressor, so I went ahead and form 1’d my 11.5. The only photos I needed to submit were of the engraving already present on the lower. I didn’t show them the upper, buffer tube, or brace. 29 day approval and $200 tax was exempt. I could understand the issue with interstate travel for someone who travels a lot. I’d personally not fret over it. Now that it’s seemingly been thrown out, I’m still glad I did it. Free SBR and I don’t have to deal with keeping up what’s “ Legal” for a pistol anymore.

  • @aslag94
    @aslag94 Рік тому +2

    The lad I found thru Mechwarrior reviews now getting quoted in Federal government documents, you've come a long way

  • @insanitypepper1740
    @insanitypepper1740 Рік тому +45

    Even if you're not interested in politics, politics is interested in YOU.

  • @G19Jeeper
    @G19Jeeper Рік тому +179

    All I am saying is, if you are gonna be a felon for having an “SBR” with a brace, you might as well be a felon with an SBR with a stock instead

    • @shizukaryujoukai2465
      @shizukaryujoukai2465 Рік тому +38

      It's the same charge as having a illegal machine gun too.

    • @beardly0121
      @beardly0121 Рік тому +4

      Well I mean they're giving you a free stamp so if you're gonna go that route why even bother risking the 10 years in a fed pen and $250,000?

    • @namdo2761
      @namdo2761 Рік тому

      @@beardly0121 nothing is for free, stop being so gullible. Founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now with how their countryman have gotten so weak

    • @the_chomper
      @the_chomper Рік тому

      @@beardly0121 because some of us arnt pansies like you

    • @G19Jeeper
      @G19Jeeper Рік тому +16

      @@beardly0121 it’s about the principle. They gonna jail all of us? Not that I have a brace

  • @flopus7
    @flopus7 Рік тому +1

    important difference between brace ban and Rosa Parks: Rosa Parks did not just one day decide to not give up her seat and then happened to win. That city and that date were chosen for her to intentionally make her protest with the intention of that being the best place to have that fight and with the full backing of organizations that were gonna fight for her. They prepared and were ready. Do not think the same is gonna happen for you if you do not already have legal backing, FPC has already filed, let them at least have a preliminary injunction hearing before making a call. Planning and picking winnable fights with broad public support were the cornerstones of the civil rights movement. Learn from successful movements, they are almost always well organized, well led, and well funded.

  • @Keep_Feeding_Me
    @Keep_Feeding_Me Рік тому +1

    When they come knockin', the firing pin don't stop rockin'

  • @siestatime4638
    @siestatime4638 Рік тому +285

    Non-compliance means "I hope I don't get caught." Civil disobedience means "I'm going to make it easy for them to catch me."

    • @newerest1
      @newerest1 Рік тому +54

      If you someone isn't willing to get in a gunfight with the ATF I don't see what doing either will really accomplish. We already know the ATF will selectively enforce this rule and only go after their political enemies.

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Рік тому +34

      @@newerest1 which is everyone who owns a brace, among others. They’ll go for the high profile ones first of course, but don’t mistake for one moment if an easy opportunity comes by they’ll bind up an average Joe and ruin his life for kicks

    • @SocialismDoesntWork
      @SocialismDoesntWork Рік тому +23

      Good to have friends and communities that stand together. Get with your local PDs, start making the effort. If you dont, then no one else is going to. Communication is key here. Find out what the sheriff or chief is going to do and if theyre against it, then you need to get the entire town or city thats a gun owner on your side and educated. The ATF is just a group of people, and they arent highly trained. The taliban would eat them for a snack

    • @adamgriffin
      @adamgriffin Рік тому

      This comment should be pinned.

    • @notubist
      @notubist Рік тому +21

      And im in federal prison means some donut stuffer did a traffic stop after range day and decided to search the vehicle. This "rule change" is meant more to penalize and spite pro 2a folks than it is to enforce the sbr law that is a remnant loophole closing to a pistol ban that never made it through.

  • @zzmann8460
    @zzmann8460 Рік тому +537

    This isn't happening because ATF suddenly decided that braces are dangerous, it's being done to specifically target political enemies of the Federal government, who happen to have a large overlap with people who own braces

    • @boldie24
      @boldie24 Рік тому +94

      That and the opportunity to register almost 40 million firearms. That, IMHO, is the real goal.

    • @steveh7108
      @steveh7108 Рік тому +24

      @@boldie24 think about all that extra Revenue they're making.

    • @ChucksSEADnDEAD
      @ChucksSEADnDEAD Рік тому +1

      @@steveh7108 isn't it free?

    • @nikolaswirz4022
      @nikolaswirz4022 Рік тому

      Yeah right. That’s totally the reason. Some shizo big government conspiracy. Not because pistol braces are literally intended to cheat existing laws.

    • @Devil_Dog_98
      @Devil_Dog_98 Рік тому +17

      @@ChucksSEADnDEAD No, As far as I can tell, you have to pay a $200 tax to register your Short barrel rifle or shotgun.

  • @thatoneguy454c
    @thatoneguy454c Рік тому +1

    The ATF doesn't have the authority to modify the letter of law. Chevron deference also doesn't apply in situations like this. However, the government has also made it almost impossible to take them to court in any meaningful way. The NFA, GCA, and the Hughes Amendment need to be done away with

  • @lil__shmeat
    @lil__shmeat Рік тому +380

    Excellent breakdown, Hop. Still not complying tho

    • @Little_Sams_Top_Guy
      @Little_Sams_Top_Guy Рік тому +27

      I’m proud to say I’m the 69th like on this comment

    • @timunderbakke8756
      @timunderbakke8756 Рік тому +24

      I don’t own an impacted product. I support your right to keep yours.
      But please for the love of all that is good, I’d wish people would stop the tough guy on the internet act. All you’re doing is giving them exactly what they need to charge you.

    • @Little_Sams_Top_Guy
      @Little_Sams_Top_Guy Рік тому

      @@timunderbakke8756 you have a better chance of being struck by lightning then arrested and charged with that as a crime

    • @Front-Toward-Enemy
      @Front-Toward-Enemy Рік тому +40

      You already complied when you bought The brace

    • @f308gtb1977
      @f308gtb1977 Рік тому +7

      @@Front-Toward-Enemy exactly right. Still good to not comply MORE, but yeah.

  • @stainlessmvp
    @stainlessmvp Рік тому +300

    One point that is getting overlooked about the entire “free tax stamp” thing is how it then locks you into the inability to freely travel over state lines with your new SBR. In order to do that, you again have to request to do so from the ATF.
    And I know the argument to this is often “How would they even know?” which is sort of a question that could be posed to the registration thing.
    I think the best option right now is to wait and see how this plays out.
    “In chess, the pawns go first”

    • @notubist
      @notubist Рік тому +6

      Though if even a 10th of those who own a brace take the offer, the common use vector opens legally.

    • @LordPerique
      @LordPerique Рік тому +1

      I would wager money that not a single person has been prosecuted for not notifying the atf when taking their sbrs across state lines

    • @cymond
      @cymond Рік тому +1

      Yeah, but the interstate travel permission form can be up to one year, and they give automatic approval unless it would be illegal. For example, they won't give me approval to take a SBR into CA, because it's against CA law.
      Plus, most of us don't travel with our guns much, and even if we do, a lot of us have something that's interstate legal. If I can't take my AR SBR across state lines, then I can get an unbraced pistol lower for like $200.
      Me? I live in PA, near the borders to Maryland and New Jersey. I'm not leaving the state with ANY of my guns!

    • @2A.Freedom
      @2A.Freedom Рік тому

      What about living in a state that doesn't allow sbr's, you're screwed

    • @albinoyak2755
      @albinoyak2755 Рік тому

      Just SBR man the tax stamp is pants on head retarded and it's not like people go around sniffing your gun at the range... nobody cares. The only complaint I ever get is that it's loud and spits fireballs.

  • @donovanallen
    @donovanallen Рік тому +6

    I believe that you cannot just remove the brace from an AR pistol and solve it. They specifically added buffer tubes as a rifle feature.

    • @hiwayhighway9925
      @hiwayhighway9925 Рік тому

      If they are functionally required you are ok. People going on about what kind of tube etc. are talking out their backsides. Constructive intent bs also. It's probably the most never enforced aspect in the history of enforcement. Why? Because the whole concept is so utterly toxic and counter to about every right we have in this country. They don't want it tested in court because it will really fail. It's a threat to scare people period.
      Constructive intent is beyond Orwellian.

    • @jackshyt4
      @jackshyt4 Рік тому

      Incorrect.

    • @donovanallen
      @donovanallen Рік тому

      @@hiwayhighway9925 I would add how something is used = re-manufacture of the firearm equally Orwellian. I checked the final rule and it appears they removed the language regarding tubes in the final submission. However, I think we still are not supposed to be able to put a foam tube on, because it has no functional intent. Lol. I am in total agreement with you, but I also believe we need to understand the ruling as completely as possible so people can be informed and make their personal choices.

  • @colinkelly990
    @colinkelly990 Рік тому +7

    You bring up a lot of valid points. It’s not a law it’s a rule change and we will have to see how this plays out. Our community has to stick together and quit eating our own.

  • @ColeDedhand
    @ColeDedhand Рік тому +57

    Each and every one of us is not complying with federal laws every day because it is not possible to comply with, or even know, all the many thousands of federal laws. The majority of those laws are only enforced when someone annoys a politician or an enforcement thug.

    • @cymond
      @cymond Рік тому

      Yeah, but local enforcement thugs routinely patrol the public range where I live. The last time I was there, I saw them give a guy a $250 ticket for using his own target stand instead of the rickety stands put up by the state.

    • @John-mf6ky
      @John-mf6ky Рік тому +2

      Well said, people break the law everyday without knowing it.

  • @CoolSmoovie
    @CoolSmoovie Рік тому +30

    Most people in my college think that the US sells fully automatic rifles to 18 year olds. They don’t even know what semi auto means.

    • @zedoktor979
      @zedoktor979 Рік тому +3

      You say that as if the text of the second doesn’t protect full auto

    • @CoolSmoovie
      @CoolSmoovie Рік тому +5

      @@zedoktor979 My bad, u right. Any gun law is infringement

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 Рік тому +1

      Because they’re college kids. And they refuse to listen to reason. They say it’s time to have an honest conversation but when we start kicking their ass with facts and logic they cry and scream and sometimes throw in a “you’re a racist” card for good measure.

    • @gifthorse3675
      @gifthorse3675 Рік тому +1

      And that’s how we get Biden and more gun control

  • @invictawarrior
    @invictawarrior Рік тому +6

    Thanks Hop I watched because you were serious and that concerned me as you usually have a straight low key comedic delivery of your content. It was sobering to see you in this concerned state. You are an asset to the 2A community for concerning yourself with our struggles and issues. Everyone else start thinking about stepping up and joining and/or donating to the hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups to fight this b.s. in court. It's the only thing the Alphabet boys understand.

    • @dichebach
      @dichebach Рік тому

      When you say "hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups" which ones do you mean?
      I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, and last time I checked they were pretty much hopeless. Is LaPew still in charge there?

    • @invictawarrior
      @invictawarrior Рік тому

      @@dichebach ( G.O.A) Gun Owner's of America.

  • @rocket5557
    @rocket5557 Рік тому +28

    Thanks for talking about this Hop. As a gun person, I don’t like the motto, “Guns, not politics.” If major influencers don’t get involved, there is no hope.

  • @marz2467
    @marz2467 Рік тому +17

    The BEST solution would be to Abolish the NFA and disband the ATF.

    • @noway6633
      @noway6633 Рік тому +1

      Parrot

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Рік тому

      @@noway6633 you can't really call somebody a parrot without getting any details about what they believe and why. Ironically, you're parroting the "parrot" insult, i.e. repeating it without understanding what it means.

    • @noway6633
      @noway6633 Рік тому

      @@tissuepaper9962 See the funny thing is: I literally don't have to do any of that. The fact he is a parrot, just like many in these comment sections is self evident. And the fact of the matter is that repeating platitudes in a comment section is basically all most people do to stand up against this crap. It's parroted wishful thinking and I'm tired of seeing it. It does nothing to aid the cause but it gives retards their dopamine hit so they can pretend they did something.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Рік тому

      @@noway6633 OP's comment isn't a "platitude", I don't think you know what that word means either.
      You're just making assumptions, why can't you assume that OP is a reasonable person who can justify their opinion and work from there, instead of starting with the insults? Could it be that trolling "parrots" gives you the exact same hit of dopamine you're deriding?
      What, in your opinion, is so valuable about the ATF that you think the idea of disbanding it is _prima facie_ ridiculous? You think the idea is so ridiculous that the person repeating it couldn't possibly understand what they're actually saying, so, tell us, what is OP actually saying? What are the negative consequences preventing that from being a reasonable and beneficial course of action?

  • @commonsenseproductions5893
    @commonsenseproductions5893 Рік тому +18

    If the route is non compliance it needs to be done so publicly and en masse. That's what makes it civil disobedience

  • @ladydireska6565
    @ladydireska6565 Рік тому +2

    Not destroying anything, removing anything, modifying anything or registering anything.

    • @KeepTheGates
      @KeepTheGates Рік тому

      I don't know why anyone would still use a brace. Just use a stock if that's your mindset.

  • @hkw8477
    @hkw8477 Рік тому +1

    Great video, minor correction…ATF does not require photo of whole gun/configuration. They only ask for pictures of the Manufacture mark/serial #.

  • @TheDombrowSKISKI
    @TheDombrowSKISKI Рік тому +79

    HOW TO GET AWAY WITH THIS:
    1) Use your brace and get arrested
    2) Show the court the ATF approval letter and let the universe collapse in on itself

    • @matthewconnor5483
      @matthewconnor5483 Рік тому +30

      Make past ATF argue against today ATF. It's the easiest way to show they are a totally clown show.

    • @andrewsanford2020
      @andrewsanford2020 Рік тому +2

      The ATF mentioned those old approval letters and said they are no longer valid.

    • @ShaggyRogers1
      @ShaggyRogers1 Рік тому +9

      @@andrewsanford2020 Too bad what the ATF says doesn't mean jack shit in a court of law. The ATF can't just take back their governmental approval, regardless of how much they just want to say they can. SCOTUS precedent says otherwise, and the ATF doesn't prosecute or rule on procedural law. They don't control what is valid or not, statutory contract law does.

    • @andrewsanford2020
      @andrewsanford2020 Рік тому +2

      @@ShaggyRogers1 I don't like them or agree with them, but I bet they disagree. They will throw you in a cage for an 1/8th to. 1/4 of your life.

    • @cousinzeke4888
      @cousinzeke4888 Рік тому +11

      3) Watch in amazement as they just do whatever they want

  • @jzargo7443
    @jzargo7443 Рік тому +17

    Hop finally gets a kitty cat in his hands and the big mean ATF says he cant have it 😭

  • @Ben-ry1py
    @Ben-ry1py Рік тому +1

    The first lawsuit against the pistol brace law has been filed in Texas. It seems only a matter of time before it gets shut down. The supreme court are in the process of firming up 2A rights while the Democrats and atf are doing everything they can to take those rights away. Everything but what they should be doing. If they want to infringe on 2a rights they have to amend the bill of rights or their "laws" are unconstitutional.
    I don't have an AR pistol brace, but I'll be buying one after the atf loses in court, and our rights are preserved.

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 Рік тому +1

    When challenged in court, the ATF is going to have a very hard time making most judges understand their position. "Your honor, we've gone on record consistently, with hundreds of letters written, that explicitly have said for the last ten years that pistol braces are legal, but you just have to accept that we've changed our minds and now we say that they're illegal because we say so."
    Yeah, that'll fly....

  • @fredsmith8498
    @fredsmith8498 Рік тому +147

    Best summary of all. The difference between civil disobedience and non-compliance is spot on.

    • @KateHikes1933
      @KateHikes1933 Рік тому

      BS. The so-called "civil rights movement" was successful ONLY because it was an excuse to do what the federal government and mass media supported already.

    • @JS-lv5pn
      @JS-lv5pn Рік тому

      @@mikearnold7982 Based

    • @WalrusWinking
      @WalrusWinking Рік тому

      @Mike Arnold The ATF doesn't amend or make laws.

  • @A.Mac.
    @A.Mac. Рік тому +70

    Good talk, let's do it again next illegal ban.

    • @lazyboygaming3875
      @lazyboygaming3875 Рік тому

      @@mikearnold7982 time to switch that up , court rooms been looking good lately with all them lawsuits

  • @taliawtf6944
    @taliawtf6944 Рік тому +1

    Here is that thing, the ATF is a law enforcement agency not a law making body. By literally definition they can not make up laws or rulings period. This is a blatant over stepping of their purpose and powers. This is overlooking the very fact the ATF is it's self a massive violation of the Second Amendment that should by all legal rights be abolished with all firearm laws.

  • @forestgood2476
    @forestgood2476 Рік тому

    if one is to file them, do you have to wait for approval before throwing a real stock on? what about going to a public range with a brace after the deadline but before it gets approved?

  • @CutlassOutdoors
    @CutlassOutdoors Рік тому +72

    The best advice I’ve heard was from Washington Gun Law, which was (paraphrasing) to give it 30 or 60 days before making a decision on how to proceed. A lot could happen between now and then (like injunctions, clarifications from ATF, etc.) that might impact that decision.

    • @CircaSriYak
      @CircaSriYak Рік тому

      It's entirely in the cards that this gets frozen by an injunction, and in the 1-2 years of litigation the NFA gets nuked.

    • @tubeguy4066
      @tubeguy4066 Рік тому +5

      "Just do nothing and wait!"

    • @bobbyhill3323
      @bobbyhill3323 Рік тому

      @@tubeguy4066 2 more weeks!

    • @victorygarden556
      @victorygarden556 Рік тому

      If one waited 60 days and their application went the 88 days it can lay there untouched that’s over the 120 day amnesty and will get you sent to federal prison.

    • @CutlassOutdoors
      @CutlassOutdoors Рік тому +1

      @@victorygarden556 that’s a myth and the original UA-camr who said it has already walked it back. And the ATF specifically called it out as untrue in their webinar.

  • @ToLazy4Name
    @ToLazy4Name Рік тому +16

    Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell

  • @johnblocker6737
    @johnblocker6737 Рік тому +1

    Also sucks for states like NJ where SBRs are illegal but we used to be able to have “others”

  • @TheHumanSpirit
    @TheHumanSpirit Рік тому

    Calm and composed. I like it.

  • @a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor
    @a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor Рік тому +21

    "Thus the right of nullification meant by Mr. Jefferson is the natural right, which all admit to be the remedy of insupportable oppression."
    - James Madison

  • @RogerBarrera
    @RogerBarrera Рік тому +62

    Love your vids man! Straight to the point with facts. Appreciate you taking all the time and effort to produce your content. It is greatly appreciated here. 👍🏼👊🏻

    • @carbonking53
      @carbonking53 Рік тому +3

      And we appreciate your content as well Roger.

    • @SayWhen83
      @SayWhen83 Рік тому +1

      Roger is the man watch all his videos definitely one of my fav creators he deserves way more followers and hope he gets there sooner than later

  • @teddykodiac4778
    @teddykodiac4778 Рік тому +1

    This is not a law it’s an opinion published by BATF. The Supreme Court ruled last year in WV v. EPA that executive branch agencies cannot rewrite or reinterpret a law only congress can do that

  • @shooter963
    @shooter963 Рік тому

    Is the pistol brace a serialized, registered part?
    Are the sellers required to keep lists for the BATFE?

  • @waffel7664
    @waffel7664 Рік тому +49

    Damn yeah they quoted your ass, tough
    The only way to get the atf scared and to back down is by open non-compliance. Which is like the most dangerous option for us

    • @allunavaliable
      @allunavaliable Рік тому

      when has this tactic ever worked in human history? they'll just lock up everyone who is dumb enough to get caught, and keep building more prisons until they run out of idiots

    • @sdfasdfadfasdfadfasd
      @sdfasdfadfasdfadfasd Рік тому +11

      And particularly for them. That's the difference. Lot more of us than them.

    • @Ben-ry1py
      @Ben-ry1py Рік тому +2

      Or... For this to get struck down by the courts...which is what is going to happen. The supreme court are not goi6to allow this BS by the ATF. It takes time though. I hope, for those who own braces, that an injunction is put on this soon. It could totally happen.

  • @clayaiken6161
    @clayaiken6161 Рік тому +9

    yes... trust the people behind ruby ridge

  • @sonobitches
    @sonobitches Рік тому +1

    it makes sense to classify those kind of pistol braces as stocks. What doesn't make sense is the restriction on SBRs. Considering that AR-15 pistol parts and AR-15 rifle parts are freely available and interchangeable means that the restrictions are completely meaningless

  • @TheTudunka
    @TheTudunka Рік тому

    So regardless of the Brace, If you purchased a AR-Pistol, 5.56, 7.62 or 9mm before all this BS, and it has a barrel less than 16" - Do you have to register it with the ATF?

  • @TexanApollyon
    @TexanApollyon Рік тому +2

    Non compliance is the answer. Like others have mentioned, I know several older family members who own braced firearms and never even heard of the news

  • @ryanashby3640
    @ryanashby3640 Рік тому +21

    Seems like everyone will just wait until the lawsuits shake out. Bumpstock ban compliance was like 600 turned in of the 580k in circulation, so like a .1% compliance rate.

  • @D.M.Luiz.
    @D.M.Luiz. Рік тому +47

    Welcome back hop. Hopefully the UA-cam overlords will be more all fair in the future.

  • @ca5ualm3dia
    @ca5ualm3dia Рік тому

    whats to stop people from extending the buffer tube with a false back and just shouldering that ?

  • @KGiustOD
    @KGiustOD Рік тому +1

    Civil disobedience could be demonstrated with a large public gathering, braced pistols slung with large bright chamber flags.

  • @KyleJohnsonVA
    @KyleJohnsonVA Рік тому +64

    The odds of this getting shot down by the courts, particularly in light of two other recent Supreme Court rulings (the Bruen one and the EPA one) is extremely high. For anyone that is considering trying to get a free tax stamp, an option to consider is to wait until the last few days of the "amnesty period" before trying to register. This has a couple of benefits: 1) It gives time for the courts to stop it before you bother telling ATF anything about what you have, 2) if out of tens of millions of owners only a handful apply for months, it will look a lot like non-compliance is in the minds of the people, and 3) if tens of millions of people (or really probably tens of thousands to be honest) suddenly flood the E-Form system on day 120 the system (which is known for constant downtime) will crash and burn so hard from the sudden demand that it makes the case that complying is impossible. I know there was some case in California about people being physically unable to register "assault weapons" by a deadline set by the state, and the courts intervened to extend deadlines for people who tried to comply but couldn't.

    • @MF-Rell
      @MF-Rell Рік тому +2

      I gonna do one. It's a hunting rig, and I'd rather have a stock. Plus I'm sure they all know what we have anyways.

    • @beardly0121
      @beardly0121 Рік тому

      Honestly who gives a fuck if the ATF knows about a few of the guns you own? They already know you OWN guns if you've ever done a 4473 which 99% of us have. The only additional information they'll be getting is what barrel length you chose. They'll get your prints too which is also not new information for many of us because A)tons of people already have NFA devices and B)many states require finger prints for a ccw and C) tons of people with braced ARs are veterans.
      Oh and they get a pic of your face too which they already have. It's not that big of a deal for them to know about a few guns you own. Them overstepping the bounds of their power and declaring millions of Americans felons overnight is the only aspect of this that matters.

    • @innercityprepper
      @innercityprepper Рік тому

      This was my thought as well. Videotape yourself attempting to use the eForms site on day 120.

    • @Manwich526
      @Manwich526 Рік тому +10

      @@MF-Rell weak

    • @TheFlyingZulu
      @TheFlyingZulu Рік тому +1

      Oh shit I love this idea of everybody registering on the last day. hahaha. Great idea. IF (and that's a really big IF) I consider registering or going along with this rule I'll wait until the last day.

  • @alastor8091
    @alastor8091 Рік тому +76

    Hop, we're all already in trouble. The only thing is that they aren't coming for us wholesale yet. You're on the list too. You know what these guns are for. I know you cant come out bare faced and say it, but we ALL know they'll only keep pushing and pushing. All we can do is push back or be pushed.

    • @MrNonzi
      @MrNonzi Рік тому +10

      Yeah I agree no amount of school childrens blood is gonna make me give up my plinker

    • @alastor8091
      @alastor8091 Рік тому

      @@MrNonzi i have harmed no children and neither has anyone in my circle. Why do we have to give up the right to self defense? Call the police? So they can stand in their tactical gear with their weapons you wouldn't let us have and listen to us get butchered instead of saving our own lives? Uvalde showed the only person you can depend on in a world of violence is yourself.

    • @newerest1
      @newerest1 Рік тому +13

      @@MrNonzi yes literally no amount of someone being murdered will affect our rights

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 Рік тому

      @Nonzi, if armed guards can defend marijuana dispensaries, they can defend schools. The children's blood is on the hands of criminals, school boards, and the government. Not law abiding citizens.

    • @fakie_kickflip
      @fakie_kickflip Рік тому +10

      @@MrNonzi nice hat and big nose

  • @austinbowman5908
    @austinbowman5908 Рік тому +2

    This really sucks for the people in states that don't allow NFA items. Can't even register an SBR if they wanted to.

  • @nobodynoone2500
    @nobodynoone2500 Рік тому +1

    Non-compliance is absolutely civil disobedience. You do, however make a good point that it may not be very effective.

  • @kingterry6045
    @kingterry6045 Рік тому +18

    Arrest? I'm going down with a fight.

    • @andywandey523
      @andywandey523 Рік тому +2

      Go listen to the lastest Longhouse podcast episode

    • @alchroot209
      @alchroot209 Рік тому +2

      I'm going to suggest you don't do that if you value your life.

    • @damil5721
      @damil5721 Рік тому +8

      @@alchroot209 Many people would openly attack rather than submit.

    • @alchroot209
      @alchroot209 Рік тому

      @@damil5721 That's not true at all, I sincerely hope you rethink your decisions.

    • @kingterry6045
      @kingterry6045 Рік тому +8

      @@alchroot209 Speak for yourself.

  • @drewchorlton342
    @drewchorlton342 Рік тому +9

    This pistol brace ban makes we want to swap my ar-pistol brace iout for a stock. If I’m going to be a felon might aswell use the thing that’s better.

    • @Ben-ry1py
      @Ben-ry1py Рік тому

      Owning an nfa item has other drawbacks. This ruling will get struck down in court. Don't be hasty.

  • @2AFreeState
    @2AFreeState Рік тому +1

    A legal fund for people who use illegal firearms in cases of self defense might not be a bad idea.
    Consider the hypothetical case of: a home invader breaks into a person's house. The home owner defends himself and his property, but with an unregistered, fully automatic, SBR, with a suppressor attached. Is the homeowner wrong? No. He's exercising his second amendment right to self defense with the best tool for the job: Arms. Uninfringed and unadulterated arms.

  • @SpicySnafu
    @SpicySnafu Рік тому

    That carry handle upper makes me yearn, still on a quest to find one. See you on the flip side.

  • @keness4768
    @keness4768 Рік тому +15

    There's nothing like having one's rights stepped on to get a guy interested in the machinations of government. You'll get there one day... trust me.

    • @servicerifle16
      @servicerifle16 Рік тому

      I found a person's views on guns to be the ultimate litmus test to determine if they're a tyrant or not.

    • @stuartsmith3359
      @stuartsmith3359 Рік тому

      “You’ll get there one day” shut up man. Other people live different lives, hard to imagine…..but you’ll get there one day champ. Or you wont and no one will care either way.

    • @DerMeister821
      @DerMeister821 Рік тому

      Actually, that's why people like me are NOT interested in the machinations of a bunch of jews and shabbos goy traitors.

  • @Tofu61
    @Tofu61 Рік тому +56

    Glad you're back hop. Hope the suspension made you """learn your lesson""" or something idk

  • @bre08005
    @bre08005 Рік тому +1

    Great idea, with the public fund. Businesses and the community seem devided about what we should do. We should speak out confidently and make government officials know that we expect the court process to rule this as unconstitutional, to move quickly.

  • @MultiRokusho
    @MultiRokusho Рік тому +1

    Why have we never had a massive protest outside the atf HQ ever?

  • @The_Sound_of_Steel
    @The_Sound_of_Steel Рік тому +4

    I do love how all the people who say im a 2a supporter just bends the knees the second a small flame gets held to them.

  • @moonman8684
    @moonman8684 Рік тому +21

    Literally 1984..........

  • @ajfoyt1163
    @ajfoyt1163 Рік тому +1

    You framed everything perfectly mate; Non-compliance is definitely risky and costly, because at the end of the day most people will be facing the music alone, at least at the beginning. Unfortunately, the only way we're NOT going to lose any more ground is through mass non-compliance as prescribed by the founders in our constitution, and as ruled upon several times throughout many court cases. The government just loves making "enemies of the state" and "criminals" out of people who refuse to bend a knee to their will. I'm hoping we have enough legal clout and hammer the ATF with enough lawsuits to send them crying.

  • @matthewconnor5483
    @matthewconnor5483 Рік тому +2

    Will be fun watching today ATF argue against yesterday ATF in court.

  • @JonKerwood
    @JonKerwood Рік тому +13

    "Noncompliance is for cowards" - James Yeager. Don't let them take your guns or your neighbors guns. Lastly, don't go silently into the night. Godspeed brothers.

    • @CantoniaCustoms
      @CantoniaCustoms Рік тому +3

      "Load your damn mags, start ki11ing people" -James Yeager (God rest his soul)
      That remix was awesome.

    • @JonKerwood
      @JonKerwood Рік тому

      ​@Peter Angles Spoken like a true internet Scrot-bag, who just created his account yesterday. Ignorant, coward with no manners.

    • @jeepinintexas6215
      @jeepinintexas6215 Рік тому +2

      "and yes .40 still sucks"

  • @StevenMcTowweleeie
    @StevenMcTowweleeie Рік тому +39

    GOOD VIDEO,
    REPEAL THE NFA
    ABOLISH THE ATF

    • @SpartanG062
      @SpartanG062 Рік тому +2

      We can go further. Nuremberg trials for all ATF agents.

    • @smeghead765
      @smeghead765 Рік тому +3

      Not good enough for me unless abolishment will include arrest, trial and public execution of all current and former agents.

  • @bigrich7026
    @bigrich7026 Рік тому +7

    I maintain a .001"-.002" clearance between my shoulder and my wrist brace at all times. Any atf agent can come to where I shoot and use a feeler gauge to check... while I'm shooting. Your crank and rods in your motor look like they are touching too..they are not!!
    Thanks.
    If you keep rolling over you will end up on one of the borders yourself!
    Inspire others to be good men who won't roll over!

    • @willyk882
      @willyk882 Рік тому +2

      only if you maintain adequate oil pressure between your shoulder and the brace

    • @KeepTheGates
      @KeepTheGates Рік тому

      Shouldering a brace has never been a problem.

  • @gilbertzilla6770
    @gilbertzilla6770 Рік тому +1

    I love the gun community, always with the "cOmE aNd TaKe It" and when the ATF does come and take it, they just roll over.

  • @josephholtan3458
    @josephholtan3458 Рік тому +11

    Appreciated hearing what you had to say. Thanks.

  • @andrettski8686
    @andrettski8686 Рік тому +7

    Saw a meme of an AR pistol with a padded buffer tube only, with a tennis ball on the end. The ATF will then ban the sale of those too.

    • @SlavicCelery
      @SlavicCelery Рік тому +2

      Knowing the ATF, they'll ban tennis balls on anything. Including the bottom of walker legs.

    • @edwardx.winston5744
      @edwardx.winston5744 Рік тому +3

      If I read the rule correctly, there is no actual criteria for just how much surface area an accessory mounted rearward on a buffer tube would be deemed acceptable. That means a tennis ball affixed to the back of an AR-style pistol would likely still be illegal.
      The founders of this nation would be absolutely repulsed by the clown world it has become.

    • @unclefreedom213
      @unclefreedom213 Рік тому +1

      according to their q and a you can't have anything whatsoever on the buffer. No foam nothing just a plain buffer tube and if you have a stock no attached to a rifle in the area they have stated it could be viewed as constructive possession

    • @TheMsdos25
      @TheMsdos25 Рік тому +1

      @@unclefreedom213
      _laughs in A2 receiver extension_

    • @edwardx.winston5744
      @edwardx.winston5744 Рік тому +2

      @@unclefreedom213 Sounds like your tennis equipment better be stored at a separate location as well, then.

  • @GIJOE573
    @GIJOE573 Рік тому +1

    If you're going the route of civil disobedience, put a real stock on there. The ATF is trying to shift the goalpost. They want lengthy court cases to drag out the pistol brace loophole in order to take heat off the NFA which is in danger of being overturned if challenged in court after the Bruen decision.

  • @nobodyyyyy556
    @nobodyyyyy556 Рік тому +1

    Local police stole my SBM4 in retail packaging after a guy shot at me and claimed I shot back from my house which justified an illegal "protective sweep". They turned in my PF9SS build to the ATF along with my 3d printed Mac Daddy 😂 true story. Spent 52 days in county jail over WEED they found in my house. Last week DOJ sends me a FedEx letter saying claim your PMFs

  • @quadconjures
    @quadconjures Рік тому +15

    That opening statement is extremely respectful and mature, and It makes me proud to be part of this community you're building

  • @RebaDerChi
    @RebaDerChi Рік тому +27

    So in summary: If have not uploaded video evidence onto the internet, don’t comply. Got it. Thanks papa.

  • @GunDrummer
    @GunDrummer Рік тому

    Solid presentation broski doodles

  • @austinarvanitis8226
    @austinarvanitis8226 Рік тому +1

    Props to bro speaking truthfully on his knowledge of politics. A lot of people act like they do but yet don’t. I come from a very political family and I know more about guns than politics as well. Like the channel, had to give credit when it’s due.

  • @donh1572
    @donh1572 Рік тому +12

    Now that arm braces are banned. Make a video of using the “SAS method” using a sling on a pistol

    • @hiwayhighway9925
      @hiwayhighway9925 Рік тому +2

      Yeah I would love more techniques to accurately and safely shoot a pistol to hit what I aim at. That concept is obviously dangerous to an agency...

  • @squishiergnat377
    @squishiergnat377 Рік тому +7

    compliance is endorsement

  • @navyman8903
    @navyman8903 Рік тому +1

    Excellent points and well said.

  • @bre3ze259
    @bre3ze259 Рік тому

    That is one rad looking lead slinger. What handguard is that?