Alright did Spite take it too far? Should he be relegated to riding the Harley for the rest of his life? If you would like to tell him yourself how awesome scramblers are join the discord on yammienoob.co
It's true though. Just like buying a "bobber" or "cafe racer" from a manufacturer. These are all types of motorcycles that, by definition, can not be purchased from the factory. A bobber is a regular motorcycle that the OWNER chops the fenders on, removes unnecessary parts, etc. A cafe racer is a regular bike that the OWNER modifies to have a stupid uncomfortable ergonomics. A scrambler is a regular standard bike that the OWNER modifies to do light off-roading. The whole point of a bobber, scrambler, cafe racer, chopper, etc is taking a regular standard bike and changing it to do and be something that it never was meant to do or be. Buying something that is manufactured to have the looks of a custom bike is inherently dishonest and hollow. It's poseur culture.
@@mexmiler Fifty years ago a "bobber" was a motorcycle that the owner bobbed the fenders on. If you did more it was called a chopper. Nowadays people give the definition of chopper as the definition of bobber, and they repeat it so much it has become fact. Just like your incorrect statement about scramblers. A scrambler was indeed marketed by manufacturers for majority street riding with light off-roading. My CL360 was essentially a CB360 that had different exhaust and tires from the manufacturer. Other manufacturer's had models they marketed as scramblers. If you wanted the other direction with more emphasis on off-road, but ability to ride it home on the street, you bought an "enduro" which changed design in the '80s to become dual-sport.
@@mexmiler I don't see the problem. This how we got a lot of modern day options in the auto industry. Same with lifted trucks from factory. Manufacturers saw how people were modifying their trucks and decided to offer that from the factory. Same with Suped Sports Cars or Hot Hatches. Once again Manufacturers saw how people were building their rides and deciding too offer that from the lot. It's just how the industry works, they make what people want, and most of these models are built by enthusiasts within the company.
Yeah, I can see that. It's your money. I like sitting at an outside cafe and seeing my bike sitting there, waiting for me. So, if my bike looks cool- so much the better.
I think its the only reason why people buys them. They want cool looking bike for street (yes they can go off road but so can sportbike, cruisers etc but they are not really made for it)
In cycling, there's a category called 'gravel bikes' and that's about where scramblers fit. They can go on gravel roads but not really 'offroad'. The suspension is usually good enough to get some air on speed bumps if you preload the suspension but anything taller and it will bottom out.
Exactly, I don't do offroad with my scrambler but if a gravel road appears in my way, I just ride through it without any problem while with my old z750 it would be really unconfortable and suffering. So yes, Scrambler gives to me more real freedom and for that reason, more enjoyable rides. And all of that without sacrifiying nothing because they are great bikes for conventional roads too.
A Scrambler can be fine offroad, as long as the frame is solid and standard. An owner can swap on taller long-travel suspension, dirtier wheels/tires, dirtbike bars, high-clearance exhaust, etc. Add a skid and go ride.
I honestly had no idea the association with hipsters that these bikes have. I did my research before buying mine though. I just loved the look. I knew right off the bat that I wasn't going to be doing any off-roading. Well, maybe a little, but as a 50 year old rider my knees can only handle so much jarring. Anyway, yes I agree they are overpriced which is why I bought used. I'm happy with it and that's all that matters.
@ Robby B: That makes me very curious :) You say you did your research - that doesn't really help much haha, as all recent scramblers are essentially modern motorcycles and work accordingly, look great and are a bit pricey like all modern retros. But have very different characters. So is it a Triumph, a RnineT or a Ducati 1100? Cheers m8 :)
I feel attacked. In all seriousness though, who cares that you can buy “fake” scramblers or “fake” bobbers. Maybe a noob likes the aesthetics of a scrambler and could care less for a Harley or a sport bike. Maybe a noob has no idea how to customize his/her bike (yet) and wants to just go out and ride. If it gets new people riding that’s literally all that matters.
yeah I didnt like any bike particular till I caught on to scramblers, and it was like this perfect storm of a bike and now I actually have an interest in getting a bike licence, whereas before I was just leaving it as a pipe dream I am one of thems noobs, or I guess will be soon? The aesthetics got a hold of me without a scrap of marketing or former knowledge of the design, nor desire for purpose, it just fit a sillouhette I had wanted out of a bike forever and given my interest in mechanics and the like I will probably make my own someday since at the very least the rant in this video has told me the stuff in the store costs too much and gives to little I think it's just interesting that the bike style I immediately fell in love with has a history of being made by people with similar dumshit wiring as me although more motivation for sure There is no real point to this, just sharing thoughts with the void, I am only starting to dive deeper into bike stuff now, because I managed to figure out there is more then the hogs street bikes and dirt bikes I was used to seeing and now I am VERY intrigued
I think he’s getting way to caught up that because it’s called a “scrambler” it has to conform to the ways of old. You telling me things can’t change over time? I’ve owned a lot cool bikes, but this is the bike that I’ve gotten the most compliments on by far, from young and old. It also kicks most other motorcycles in the ass performance wise. If you’re only big hangup is, “it can even truly go off road and it’s just a fake old scrambler”. Think that’s pretty weak.
By definition, the scrambler is a custom bike made from a bike that was made strictly for the street. The whole concept was born of the fact that "dirt bikes" werent really a thing yet so guys would take their street bike and set it up to handle some dirt. It was the birth of the dual sport really
except they can go offroad. its just a limit of the owners skill and the owners wallet to fix whatever his lack of skill causes a drop. definitely not a first offroad bike but if you know what you're doing they can last offroad too(so long as you're not crashing/dropping it 24/7).
Exactly and saying "if you drop it you're GoNnA BrEaK ThE ExPenSiVe TLC DaSh" like bruh who gets a 1200cc to learn on anyways start on a dual sport do some wheelies get some time on it outgrow it then move to the scrambler they're literally lifted road bikes on knobbly tires that's it ,besides scramblers will dust a dual sport in pavement,you can go as far on them as your skills will take you
The RE Himalayan is in my books a real scrambler - look at the tank which clearly was taken from a street bike. It's slow, takes you everywhere, doesn't ruin you financially if you drop it, no fancy technology and it's also good on tarmac. If I want to go scrambling it's my weapon of choice. Stay safe
I freaking love my Scrambler 1200 XE. Hands down the most fun bike I have ever ridden. And that's what it's all about, right? And yes, I take it off road. I won't argue with the expense though. Not cheap to fix the stuff I break off it.
Just turned 40, bought the Ducati full throttle as my first bike (thanks in part to Yammie Noob’s review of the icon and his sled) and a love story was born. No plants to take it off road, just loving the color, general look and sound from that termignioni exhaust :)
I've got a Scrambler. My bike is freakin awesome. Couldn't care less about an opinion that doesn't agree. I just went off road for the first time on it yesterday. Freaking awesome times Scrambling. Don't like Scramblers? That's cool. You're bike isn't cooler. 😂
Most dual sports are an off-road bike with some more road cred, where the scrambler is the opposite in many ways. In some ways it's a styling exercise, but then some people would say the same thing about Harley offering a heap of variants of almost the same bikes (if you don't really care about that kind of bike). But then you ask the people who are into that style of machine and they tend to say those differences are big...
You just listed all the reasons I like scramblers and dual sports. But the main reason I like them is their upright neutral riding ergonomics. Everything else sucks in my humble opinion. Especially my old Harley’s.
I got myself a mutt sabbath 250 as a starter bike and love it. Looks great and so easy to whip around in city traffic and back roads with the nobbly tyres. Its a fun bike and looks just like the Steve mcqueen triumph. Perfect beginner in my opinion. A little pricey at 6000 euro, but glad i have one. Couldn't care less what people think about my bike, each to their own, enjoy the ride 🤘✌
The problem with dual sports is that they still have the same cheap plastic styling from the 90's, so the only real Scrambler is the Royal Enfield Himalayan
Yeah the Enfield is nice. Just so underpowered I did enjoy it and what you get at that price point is amazing. Buddy loves his just everyone rides faster getting somewhere. If the world doesn't end gonna get that new guzzi. V85tt same great retro styling as the Enfield but can actually get some hwy miles done quickly. Hey test the v85tt!
The Yamaha SCR950 is the only ''real'' scrambler as if there is such a thing. The RE Himalaya is just a budget adv bike that feels like a scrambler because the build quality is so shoddy lots of parts will ''scramble'' off when you hit a trail lmao
I enjoy driving my scrambler out to the mountains and then taking it off-road on some dirt trails. I think it’s the perfect bike, it’s not amazing any one specific thing but it’s a good all around bike for me.
122k miles later my 2013 900 seems okay in the dirt. Is a KLX230 going to run circles around it, sure, as long as it’s trailered to the ride. Does it have a 50 gallon gas tank and carry your house like a GS1250, no, but it also coasts 3x less. My 2013 Scrambler 900 checked all the boxes I needed it to: -Simple engine -No nanny electronics -EFI -Easy to maintain -Can easily highway 2up -Relatively lightweight -Could do some off-road, at the time of purchase I had no idea how far I’d take that Was out ridding with dual-sports in the Appalachian Mountains when a person on a KLX300 asked me, “why I didn’t ride a smaller dual sport, it’d be way easier.” My response was, that’s not the point, it’s the challenge. It’s to be able to use a daily for almost anything and not need another vehicle to get it there. I’d say it does Scrambler well, but not in a since of yesteryear when you could drive out of the garage into a trail. It fits in the modern world, at least where I am, a time when you’ll need to do some distance before getting to good dirt.
At 6:41 Spite said 1972 Chevelle but showed a 1970 Chevelle.... 1972 has 2 Headlights a 1970 has 4 Headlights ( Obviously a mistake made in post... Lol ) C'mon guys images of 1972 Chevelle's are everywhere on the world wide inter-web ( Personally I like any from 1966 to 1970, after 1970 the big 3 started choking the engines to make a lot less HP ) Lucy you have some splaining to do.... Lol
My Indian FTR wasn't *technically* designed to go off road either, but I took it off road up Pike's Peak yesterday. She's heavy for off road, but her skinny tires worked super well. Overall, I was pretty impressed for what she is.
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Personal opinion: the dual sports don't have enough engine to make road riding fun. and even the Brass Ballers out there inevitably spend the majority of time thrashing on the road. Freedom to rage on city streets and cross the state comfortably at 90 mph (ish) while also hitting trails and beach rides is the new Scramble.
I built my scrambler from a 77 XS750, but I don't have any inflated ideas about what it can do off road. It does not have the necessary suspension travel or the weight to be a real dirt bike. It's a gravel and two track bike. Which is actually something pretty cool where I live. A road bike that is super capable on gravel is really awesome when you live somewhere with a lot of awesome gravel and two track roads.
Dual sports are the technological evolution of old scramblers. The suspension, body, weight, position are all designed for that: on and off road capacity
Essentially a scrambler has always been a street bike that has been slightly changed to be better than a street bike off road. So because it's a factory option it's not real. Basically what I get from your thoughts is the rider makes it a fake or real scrambler.
I love these bikes. I agree with most of what you said and you're right that they aren't true off-roaders, but if you want a bike with that retro aesthetic and is also capable of some light green laning occasionally, but you don't go off-road enough to justify getting a proper off-roader, then these bikes are perfect. That's the reason I'm leaning towards purchasing one soon.
Actually, I like the scrambles. It's just the price. And, for me, Everything gets off the road. You just gotta get places and that thing isn't a toy. It's there to serve ME, not the other way around. You know what else sucks? Man buns.
I think you make a good point. Most bikes I see that claim scramblerhood run the exhaust under the engine and have no skid plate. that's an instant disqualifier for off-roadyness.
I built a scrambler from a honda cr600 tell me she won't dominate offroad, even with all the modifications made it only comes to 13lbs heavier than stock
Yammie Noob, tell Ernie Vigil how he didn't actually do "at all well" in the 2019 Mexican 1000 on his stock Triumph 1200 XE against full on enduro dirt bikes weighing less than half the bike he was riding. Tell me how I didn't do them 7.350 mile extended TAT in 27 days on a 690 SMCR, or circumnavigate Australia off-road (94% the land mass of the USA) on an XT660 or cross the Sahara on a Ducati Desert Sled. I do so LOVE armchair "experts". Stick to your couch mate.
I bought my Yamaha SCR 950 (2017) , which was marketed as a Scrambler but it's not. It does have some nice adventure tires which allows me to take the motorcycle on forest roads but once I get to anything technical, its game over. I knew what I was buying when I got it, so I am ok with it. It's a bike that is rather wierd but then again, so am I....
I see the Ducati Desert Sled is a great street bike that also happens to enjoy surfaces other than asphalt on occasion. The Desert Sled is awesome if you have a gravel or fire road along the way on your trip where it doesn't make sense to ride a dual sport just to hit a gravel or grass patch. I don't own a scrambler but that's my idea of what they really are great for.... at least the Desert Sled...
I just got a 1200 XC. Nicest bike I've ever owned, and the best-looking IMO. 89hp there guy, you jipped us one, lol. I got the XC because they stripped all the good parts off it to create the new "X" model, and I have little interest in taking it off-road so I had no interest in an XE with that high CG, that I would have to tiptoe at every stoplight. My last bike had 208 hp, the one before that had 185hp, and the crazy thing is the Triumph 1200 XC motor, with its sweet transmission, may be more fun stoplight to stoplight, hitting the same torque figures at 3,200 rpm as my 185hp bike did at 7,500rpm. That means fun. Thinking back, I never went above 7,500 rpm on the road anyway, because it just got stupid and illegal after that, so to have all that power down low where it'll be used on the street is awesome. The thing tries to lift the front wheel from 2,000 rpm. RPM is engine life too. Think about how long a diesel truck lasts, that's because the engine "travels" so much less per mile. Realistically, my bike will spend at least 95%+ of its time on the road. We don't have roads in the Midwest where you can just legally ride off-road like you can out West. If you look at a Federal Public Land map, there's basically none for several states by me in Ohio. That said, I think the purest "Scrambler" you can buy today is the Scrambler 900 though. Scramblers are street bikes that have been given some off-road capabilities, unlike dual-sports which are just heavy motocross bikes with hard narrow seats and street tires. The Dessert Sled is almost its own animal, because it's not really either, but definitely built with mostly off-road intentions, although nobody would call it a motocross bike.
True!!! All these manufacturers are jumping on the trend and jacking up the prices, without really looking at the history of the scrambler and putting out a real effort in what a scrambler really is and staying true to it’s history.
Spite is entitled to his opinion. His opinion is wrong but he is entitled to it. He's got some brass neck to criticise manufacturers for producing popular 'on trend' machines whilst being a fanboy of HD who shied away from branching out for so long that they are now stuck in the rut of their own brand image.
Don't know who this guy is but accusing scramblers of being fashion statements meanwhile he likes Harley Davidson tells me everything I need to know about his opinions.
Probably feeding the 'troll' (I don't know if he's truly trolling, but some of what he said is stupid enough) by commenting and rewarding the video with algorithm points, but I don't think anyone buys a Street Scrambler etc. with any notion of off-roading. The scrambler element is a practice in aesthetics, I think everyone accepts that. The assertion that you should instead buy a café racer is facetious and somewhat obnoxious. You're willfully ignoring the truth that the vast majority of people already know and accept. Oh, and meant for hipsters? Catch yourself on. They're meant for people who are attracted to a classically styled bike. That alone does not a hipster make. On top of that as an example, the Triumph Street Scrambler (significant less expensive than the 1200 Scramblers), is a very well thought of bike going by everything I've seen or read about it. Might be another reason why people buy them. They look great, are well made, fun to ride and comfortable. I'll say it again, because you brought it up a thousand times in this video, people acknowledge that their modern classic scrambler cannot off-road effectively, and that's ok - as they aren't intended to beyond light green lanes or gravel. Honestly this has been an exercise in restraint not cursing while writing. This video was just so god damn senseless, ill conceived and shows a thorough lack of understanding to my mind. Then again maybe I've just taken the bait, but it's been a while since I've had a good rant so what the hell.
@@DennisEldrup the sound of it going over my head? If the video was a piss take, I'm not familiar enough with them to 'get' their sense of humour or inside jokes, and it didn't come through particularly clearly if that's the case.
@@Chambers_90 Scramblers, 650cc bikes, cruisers, harleys, bla bla bla ... suck! Here's why... He starts out saying it's "some of the coolest looking bikes you can get". "I need to remind everyone that Scrambler motorcycles are very cool".. And that Yammies scrambler was one of the most enjoyable motorcycles he's ever ridden. And he took a shit on his own motorcycle? And ... "Ride the motorcycle you like" - How can you not watch this video as a funny poke at the whole hipster-scrambler PR wave we're seeing lately? Personally I think scramblers look great, but I agree 100% that it's so obviously fake that manufacturers try to market them as custom old-school scramblers, when it's just a completely standard motorcycle with a different design. And overpriced as fuck.
I did it. Cool headlights, the seats, homemade body panels, all the stuff. The headlights lasted about three trails, the tail lights broke instantly, and the seats coated in unremovable mud
I just got a 2019 triumph 1200 XE, I love it, minus stock tires, but it will get Continental Tkc80 just like my fz07 has. so dumb things can happen at a faster rate than normal lol
Back in the late 70s I climbed mountains in Colorado on rough jeep trails that required winches in the bad spots on a Honda street bike. I've ridden trails and jumped a CX500. THAT is what a scrambler is about. Dirt biking on what you have. Neither Honda could out do my Pentons or KTM, but as a boomer, I wouldn't touch a modern bike. Especially an over technological one that's hijacking the name scrambler. At the most, they're duel purpose.
Agree with you, had a wet dream about getting a Triumph scrambler. But when i found out it had much less ground clearance than my homemade Sportster scrambler, i decided not to waste my money on a Triumph....
As a rider of a 2012 Raider 1900 and a Triumph Scrambler 900, I can honestly tell you there IS a difference between riding the two on my 2 miles of crappy dirt roads. The Raider was NOT made for that kind of punishment. Plus repairs and maintenance on the Raider vs the Scrambler after daily use on those roads will prove easily that the Scrambler is the better choice. I also paid less than a fraction for my scrambler :)
yeah, i take my SMCR off road all the time.. you just cant expect it to do everything. mud and hill climbs are out of the question but other then that, thing is okay.. im looking at that Husqvarna Svartpilen 701 thinking that make a dope Scrambler
I like scramblers. Had a couple if Honda 305 scramblers in the 60's. Rode a 1963 Triumph TR6 fir a long time. Rode it on lhe local motocross track once in a while. To me a scrambler is just a road bike with a little better suspension and available dirt tires. I'm waiting for the Royal Enfield 650 scrambler. It might work for me. For now my 400 ADV bike is working
So basically, it's a personal preference and you're making some poor ole chap feel like they made the wrong choice. Ultimately, ride what you like and where you like. Who's gives a rat's ass what the "norm" is. Take that bike and be the fuckin rebel.
It is the same story with all these expensive ADV bikes which off the shelf require modifications as well to make them off road capable. At least most the scamblers are a lot lighter. The question is really what are you going to use the bike for? My guess is someone buying a scambler is looking for a bike that does a little bit of everything plus like someone buying an ADV. It's just a matter of taste.
Actual, real, genuine, scramblers are exactly what these bikes are! A street bike or cruiser stripped down with some knobs, some better suspension and......that’s it. That’s a scrambler. I take my iron 883, put some knobbies on it, maybe a high exhaust, rip off the fenders, some taller suspension and there you go, I got a scrambler. Genuine scrambler. Hey, that’s actually not a bad idea?🤔
I ride a 2016 triumph scrambler and it’s the coolest bike I’ve ever had. People love it and with upgraded shocks/forks it can do just about anything an d scrambler an do
The R nine T started with the R nine T roadster with the upside down forks a street bike with no off-road pretentions, from there they added the R nine t scrambler and pure as cheaper options to the original roadster they then added the racer and urban GS. While the original R nine T is a bit retro it’s mostly just a standard, although the additional models were bandwagon jumping to chase a fad. At the end of the day they are great bikes to ride.
I don’t necessary disagree with any of these points, and honestly I’d go even further and say mostly they also apply to all ADV Motorcycles, but I think there’s another reason these sell so well that was not addressed. Just like SUVs and Jeeps their real appeal for most people is having extra room and suspension to add comfort for more than a 20 mile commute. The only other options with room are Vans and then people think you are a soccer mom or serial killer so you can’t really avoid others judgements. Yes, the your statement that a cafe racer could go all the same is true but it’s also true factory provided cafe racers are no truer to their origins than ADVs or scramblers are and you could do all the same things on a standard for less cost and likely with more comfort than on a cafe racer. So where do you draw the line? I’m bigger than the average 12 year old so it’s becoming more and more difficult for me to find decent fitting rides in a market desperate to attract newbies without any balance and...well... 12 year olds, so I personally love bikes like the scramblers. Yes, I could mod others to fit me but the cost difference would end up being minimal so why not have the image and added capability even if I rarely need them? And as for the fear of taking a 15k unit off road - when 450 MX racers cost 10-12k it and a set of plastics for an ADV cost 2-3 it doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to take a naked scrambler worth 15k out for some light off roaring any more.
I like the Ducati Scramblers aesthetics but you are right in that I'd never taken a brand new 15k bike off road. That's best left to old and tired bikes who've long lost their fresh coat of paint.
Exactly, the new ones are too heavy to scramble anyway. I would advise getting a cheap Honda cb360 or 350, slap some dual sport tires on, and go have a blast. Did that with mine two days ago. 10 miles off road in mud and sand. Great fun.
Although I mostly agree, I will say that I have taken my "urban explorer" scrambler Svartpilen 401 across the Peruvian Andes (several times) through paved and non-paved roads. Once, I rode approximately 150 km of pure dirt at more than 4000 meters above sea level; another time, I trip of 50 km of also dirt reaching 4950 meters above sea level. So, the urban explorer can really scram
@@johnseed4104 i do it when my profile isnt deep enough anymore and i have to switch the tire anyway. I can't do a burnout with abs and roling burnouts are quite scary when the tire suddendly bites.
DR-Zs are basically dirtbikes with lights. The K and E aren't even street-legal in the USA. Admittedly, most modern scramblers need more dirty bits, but one could also start with a pure streetbike, like a TU250X or Nighthawk 250, and build a scrambler out of it.
4:19.... I did just drop $17k on a Triumph Rally Pro and can feel that. I bought it because I wanted something more comfortable than my F4i and get into some adventure riding, but the 2 times I've taken it on some trails, that price tag does creep into the back of my mind, struggling up a sandy hill feeling like Im burning a much more expensive clutch than is on my YZ450 that was 1/3rd the price....
Might be an unpopular opinion but the metzeler tourance 90/10 or 85/15 is a great tire for what it is advertised. Most people will do little more than a dirt road anyway and they are perfect for that. As long as you aren't doing anything too technical they are great. Pluss might as well wear those out while you get used to the bike then put some 50/50s of your choice on there and tear up some more techy trails
I just bought an Indian FTR 1200 Rally. Yeah, it looks cool. Yeah, TONS of people come up and ask what it is. Dynamically though it's the funnest motorcycle I have owned in the past 20 years.
Alright did Spite take it too far? Should he be relegated to riding the Harley for the rest of his life? If you would like to tell him yourself how awesome scramblers are join the discord on yammienoob.co
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Scramblers suck, unless you build them yourself and it's actually a scrambler.
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Saying today’s scramblers are not “real scramblers” is the most hipster thing to say...
It's true though. Just like buying a "bobber" or "cafe racer" from a manufacturer. These are all types of motorcycles that, by definition, can not be purchased from the factory. A bobber is a regular motorcycle that the OWNER chops the fenders on, removes unnecessary parts, etc. A cafe racer is a regular bike that the OWNER modifies to have a stupid uncomfortable ergonomics. A scrambler is a regular standard bike that the OWNER modifies to do light off-roading. The whole point of a bobber, scrambler, cafe racer, chopper, etc is taking a regular standard bike and changing it to do and be something that it never was meant to do or be. Buying something that is manufactured to have the looks of a custom bike is inherently dishonest and hollow. It's poseur culture.
@@mexmiler Fifty years ago a "bobber" was a motorcycle that the owner bobbed the fenders on. If you did more it was called a chopper. Nowadays people give the definition of chopper as the definition of bobber, and they repeat it so much it has become fact. Just like your incorrect statement about scramblers.
A scrambler was indeed marketed by manufacturers for majority street riding with light off-roading. My CL360 was essentially a CB360 that had different exhaust and tires from the manufacturer. Other manufacturer's had models they marketed as scramblers.
If you wanted the other direction with more emphasis on off-road, but ability to ride it home on the street, you bought an "enduro" which changed design in the '80s to become dual-sport.
Saying "saying today's scramblers are not "real scramblers" is the most hipster thing to say" is the very definition of shit hipsters say
@@AM13226 haha ok
@@mexmiler I don't see the problem. This how we got a lot of modern day options in the auto industry.
Same with lifted trucks from factory. Manufacturers saw how people were modifying their trucks and decided to offer that from the factory.
Same with Suped Sports Cars or Hot Hatches.
Once again Manufacturers saw how people were building their rides and deciding too offer that from the lot.
It's just how the industry works, they make what people want, and most of these models are built by enthusiasts within the company.
Who actually cares about roots and heritage. They look cool - thats literally it
Gives meaning to life
Yeah, I can see that. It's your money. I like sitting at an outside cafe and seeing my bike sitting there, waiting for me. So, if my bike looks cool- so much the better.
I think its the only reason why people buys them. They want cool looking bike for street (yes they can go off road but so can sportbike, cruisers etc but they are not really made for it)
agreed, also if you pick up a used cinese scrambler, theyre cheap enough to hit the trails without getting upset when you drop it in the mud
Heritage and roots are neat but they're good up until they constrain the future. the past has past.
In cycling, there's a category called 'gravel bikes' and that's about where scramblers fit. They can go on gravel roads but not really 'offroad'. The suspension is usually good enough to get some air on speed bumps if you preload the suspension but anything taller and it will bottom out.
And they don't have rear suspension but still looks very mtb like
Exactly, I don't do offroad with my scrambler but if a gravel road appears in my way, I just ride through it without any problem while with my old z750 it would be really unconfortable and suffering. So yes, Scrambler gives to me more real freedom and for that reason, more enjoyable rides. And all of that without sacrifiying nothing because they are great bikes for conventional roads too.
I beg to differ. Had mine on ATV/dirt bike trails on many occasions. Not the optimal tool for the job, clearly. Just too heavy. But still fun as hell.
scramblers can be used offroad too though, just not very quickly and very carefully cause of $$$
A Scrambler can be fine offroad, as long as the frame is solid and standard. An owner can swap on taller long-travel suspension, dirtier wheels/tires, dirtbike bars, high-clearance exhaust, etc. Add a skid and go ride.
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Well said
Well said!
You know what? I don't care. I just got myself a scrambler, and it is tons of fun. That's the only thing that counts.
At best guys that hate are bike snobs
They’re form over function is what the video is saying.
@@shsb2355 Id argue that theyre function over form, big high goofy bars and dirt wheels.... not exactly streamline or pretty.
@@shsb2355 Not really 250mm of travel, extended swing arm, knobbly tires ,some of them are really off-road capable
Next title - 'Everything sucks, here's why...'
His personal issues with existence lol
@@MK-sk2mi Time to retire to his cave in the mountains and write philosophy.
He’s actually spot on.
I honestly had no idea the association with hipsters that these bikes have. I did my research before buying mine though. I just loved the look. I knew right off the bat that I wasn't going to be doing any off-roading. Well, maybe a little, but as a 50 year old rider my knees can only handle so much jarring. Anyway, yes I agree they are overpriced which is why I bought used. I'm happy with it and that's all that matters.
@ Robby B: That makes me very curious :) You say you did your research - that doesn't really help much haha, as all recent scramblers are essentially modern motorcycles and work accordingly, look great and are a bit pricey like all modern retros. But have very different characters. So is it a Triumph, a RnineT or a Ducati 1100? Cheers m8 :)
@@michaelfinck6945 My apologies. I bought a Ducati Scrambler. Didn't realize I forgot to mention that.
Okay, boomer hipster
@@Second_Opinion_2 Actually, I'm Gen X. But it's all good.
@@robbyb8089 don't expect a response from him on that.
I feel attacked. In all seriousness though, who cares that you can buy “fake” scramblers or “fake” bobbers. Maybe a noob likes the aesthetics of a scrambler and could care less for a Harley or a sport bike. Maybe a noob has no idea how to customize his/her bike (yet) and wants to just go out and ride. If it gets new people riding that’s literally all that matters.
yeah I didnt like any bike particular till I caught on to scramblers, and it was like this perfect storm of a bike and now I actually have an interest in getting a bike licence, whereas before I was just leaving it as a pipe dream
I am one of thems noobs, or I guess will be soon? The aesthetics got a hold of me without a scrap of marketing or former knowledge of the design, nor desire for purpose, it just fit a sillouhette I had wanted out of a bike forever
and given my interest in mechanics and the like I will probably make my own someday since at the very least the rant in this video has told me the stuff in the store costs too much and gives to little
I think it's just interesting that the bike style I immediately fell in love with has a history of being made by people with similar dumshit wiring as me although more motivation for sure
There is no real point to this, just sharing thoughts with the void, I am only starting to dive deeper into bike stuff now, because I managed to figure out there is more then the hogs street bikes and dirt bikes I was used to seeing and now I am VERY intrigued
also cant like your post, it has funny number
Using the doll, can you show us exactly where the Scrambler rider touched you?
Took his gf
D*MN this made me laugh hard
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"My dream car is a 1972 chevelle"
*shows 1970 chevelle*
....and by 72” they had no power due to smog controls. 😞
@@67NewEngland have a feeling the "noob" part of his name was earned
@@67NewEngland and the single headlight and revised grill were vomit inducing.
I think he’s getting way to caught up that because it’s called a “scrambler” it has to conform to the ways of old. You telling me things can’t change over time?
I’ve owned a lot cool bikes, but this is the bike that I’ve gotten the most compliments on by far, from young and old. It also kicks most other motorcycles in the ass performance wise.
If you’re only big hangup is, “it can even truly go off road and it’s just a fake old scrambler”. Think that’s pretty weak.
By definition, the scrambler is a custom bike made from a bike that was made strictly for the street. The whole concept was born of the fact that "dirt bikes" werent really a thing yet so guys would take their street bike and set it up to handle some dirt. It was the birth of the dual sport really
except they can go offroad. its just a limit of the owners skill and the owners wallet to fix whatever his lack of skill causes a drop. definitely not a first offroad bike but if you know what you're doing they can last offroad too(so long as you're not crashing/dropping it 24/7).
Exactly and saying "if you drop it you're GoNnA BrEaK ThE ExPenSiVe TLC DaSh" like bruh who gets a 1200cc to learn on anyways start on a dual sport do some wheelies get some time on it outgrow it then move to the scrambler they're literally lifted road bikes on knobbly tires that's it ,besides scramblers will dust a dual sport in pavement,you can go as far on them as your skills will take you
The RE Himalayan is in my books a real scrambler - look at the tank which clearly was taken from a street bike. It's slow, takes you everywhere, doesn't ruin you financially if you drop it, no fancy technology and it's also good on tarmac. If I want to go scrambling it's my weapon of choice. Stay safe
Imagine the next RE Himalayan with a 650 twin
@@anubhabpatra3177 adds weight for a minimal performance gain - no need for in my books. Stay safe
@@anubhabpatra3177 420lbs is already a handful in the mud. not sure if i'd want to take a 650 ~500lb version into anything really hairy.
@@0xsergy Like my NC700X, you can go just about everywhere, just not real fast. And, not with those stock tires.
@@timjohnson1199 well i rode 10,000kms on stock tires, lol. they will go just gotta be careful.
Exactly why my first bike is 2019 XSR 700 and my 2nd bike will be a 400cc DRZ.
Oo that’s a beauty, both 👌🏻
@@Merkaba954 I am also looking at a used Yamaha XT250 to do a custom scrambler
I freaking love my Scrambler 1200 XE. Hands down the most fun bike I have ever ridden. And that's what it's all about, right? And yes, I take it off road. I won't argue with the expense though. Not cheap to fix the stuff I break off it.
Just turned 40, bought the Ducati full throttle as my first bike (thanks in part to Yammie Noob’s review of the icon and his sled) and a love story was born.
No plants to take it off road, just loving the color, general look and sound from that termignioni exhaust :)
*no plans
I've got a Scrambler. My bike is freakin awesome. Couldn't care less about an opinion that doesn't agree.
I just went off road for the first time on it yesterday. Freaking awesome times Scrambling.
Don't like Scramblers? That's cool. You're bike isn't cooler. 😂
Most dual sports are an off-road bike with some more road cred, where the scrambler is the opposite in many ways. In some ways it's a styling exercise, but then some people would say the same thing about Harley offering a heap of variants of almost the same bikes (if you don't really care about that kind of bike). But then you ask the people who are into that style of machine and they tend to say those differences are big...
You just listed all the reasons I like scramblers and dual sports. But the main reason I like them is their upright neutral riding ergonomics. Everything else sucks in my humble opinion. Especially my old Harley’s.
I got myself a mutt sabbath 250 as a starter bike and love it. Looks great and so easy to whip around in city traffic and back roads with the nobbly tyres. Its a fun bike and looks just like the Steve mcqueen triumph. Perfect beginner in my opinion. A little pricey at 6000 euro, but glad i have one. Couldn't care less what people think about my bike, each to their own, enjoy the ride 🤘✌
does anyone actually like keyless ignition? it's just annoying imo...
I agree
I don't live in the city and my bike (2014 NC700X) isn't that pretty. I just leave the key in it all the time.
tim johnson yeah only a sensible person would steal it. But a sensible person wouldn’t steal
I hate it. Super annoying and always malfunctioning.
If by keyless ignition you mean a toggle switch, then yes, I love it!
The problem with dual sports is that they still have the same cheap plastic styling from the 90's, so the only real Scrambler is the Royal Enfield Himalayan
Not a DRZ if you slap on a YZ450 front fender
Yeah the Enfield is nice. Just so underpowered I did enjoy it and what you get at that price point is amazing. Buddy loves his just everyone rides faster getting somewhere.
If the world doesn't end gonna get that new guzzi. V85tt same great retro styling as the Enfield but can actually get some hwy miles done quickly.
Hey test the v85tt!
The Yamaha SCR950 is the only ''real'' scrambler as if there is such a thing. The RE Himalaya is just a budget adv bike that feels like a scrambler because the build quality is so shoddy lots of parts will ''scramble'' off when you hit a trail lmao
I enjoy driving my scrambler out to the mountains and then taking it off-road on some dirt trails. I think it’s the perfect bike, it’s not amazing any one specific thing but it’s a good all around bike for me.
What do you have? My GS is like that, a multi tool.
122k miles later my 2013 900 seems okay in the dirt. Is a KLX230 going to run circles around it, sure, as long as it’s trailered to the ride. Does it have a 50 gallon gas tank and carry your house like a GS1250, no, but it also coasts 3x less.
My 2013 Scrambler 900 checked all the boxes I needed it to:
-Simple engine
-No nanny electronics
-EFI
-Easy to maintain
-Can easily highway 2up
-Relatively lightweight
-Could do some off-road, at the time of purchase I had no idea how far I’d take that
Was out ridding with dual-sports in the Appalachian Mountains when a person on a KLX300 asked me, “why I didn’t ride a smaller dual sport, it’d be way easier.” My response was, that’s not the point, it’s the challenge. It’s to be able to use a daily for almost anything and not need another vehicle to get it there.
I’d say it does Scrambler well, but not in a since of yesteryear when you could drive out of the garage into a trail. It fits in the modern world, at least where I am, a time when you’ll need to do some distance before getting to good dirt.
I just think scramblers are great since you can do a bit of everything and work well for the vaste majority of the people...
that goldwing scrambler looks fucking gnarly
At 6:41 Spite said 1972 Chevelle but showed a 1970 Chevelle.... 1972 has 2 Headlights a 1970 has 4 Headlights ( Obviously a mistake made in post... Lol ) C'mon guys images of 1972 Chevelle's are everywhere on the world wide inter-web ( Personally I like any from 1966 to 1970, after 1970 the big 3 started choking the engines to make a lot less HP ) Lucy you have some splaining to do.... Lol
I love my 2015 triumph scrambler. Never selling it. And yes I do take it down fire roads/trails and offroad
The 2020 Triumph Street Scrambler in red is one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen.
My Indian FTR wasn't *technically* designed to go off road either, but I took it off road up Pike's Peak yesterday. She's heavy for off road, but her skinny tires worked super well. Overall, I was pretty impressed for what she is.
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Personal opinion: the dual sports don't have enough engine to make road riding fun. and even the Brass Ballers out there inevitably spend the majority of time thrashing on the road. Freedom to rage on city streets and cross the state comfortably at 90 mph (ish) while also hitting trails and beach rides is the new Scramble.
It's equivelent to the SUV argumentation in the car world.
Spite: "nothing is perfect."
Me: "except for yam's driving record."
I built my scrambler from a 77 XS750, but I don't have any inflated ideas about what it can do off road. It does not have the necessary suspension travel or the weight to be a real dirt bike. It's a gravel and two track bike. Which is actually something pretty cool where I live. A road bike that is super capable on gravel is really awesome when you live somewhere with a lot of awesome gravel and two track roads.
This is why Triumph is the official motorcycle of *Williamsburg, Brooklyn*
Every bike is cool to the right person. Just depends on the expectations. Nice breakdown of the limitations.
So I’m hearing the RE Himalayan is a scrambler? Cool cool cool.
It's more of an off-roader than any of the scramblers in this vid.
that's an adv
You can basically thras it off roads and you'll have a nice time
Spite, assuming now that you're fired, you should start your own channel called Harley Noob.
The svartpilen is my favourite motorcycle and I couldn't care less about the true meaning of scramblers as long as I get to own one.
Dual sports are the technological evolution of old scramblers. The suspension, body, weight, position are all designed for that: on and off road capacity
I personally hate the trend where the gauge cluster is offset from the center. It messes with my OCD.
Me too
That's not ocd
There's plenty of guys who regularly rip off road on the 1200 XE's.
Essentially a scrambler has always been a street bike that has been slightly changed to be better than a street bike off road. So because it's a factory option it's not real. Basically what I get from your thoughts is the rider makes it a fake or real scrambler.
I love these bikes. I agree with most of what you said and you're right that they aren't true off-roaders, but if you want a bike with that retro aesthetic and is also capable of some light green laning occasionally, but you don't go off-road enough to justify getting a proper off-roader, then these bikes are perfect.
That's the reason I'm leaning towards purchasing one soon.
DUAL SPORTS ROCK!! 🤟 I take my TW200 everywhere except the freeway 🤣
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Actually, I like the scrambles. It's just the price.
And, for me, Everything gets off the road. You just gotta get places and that thing isn't a toy. It's there to serve ME, not the other way around.
You know what else sucks? Man buns.
yep, i've seen people take harleys offroad. you won't be bombing down atv trails but at a slow pace? sure.
You can just call them buns. They are just buns.
I think you make a good point. Most bikes I see that claim scramblerhood run the exhaust under the engine and have no skid plate. that's an instant disqualifier for off-roadyness.
I can barely handle a wrench. I'm glad manufacturers are willing the make a stylish half-off-road bike for me.
I love my 1200XE, it really does go everywhere.
I built a scrambler from a honda cr600 tell me she won't dominate offroad, even with all the modifications made it only comes to 13lbs heavier than stock
Yammie Noob, tell Ernie Vigil how he didn't actually do "at all well" in the 2019 Mexican 1000 on his stock Triumph 1200 XE against full on enduro dirt bikes weighing less than half the bike he was riding. Tell me how I didn't do them 7.350 mile extended TAT in 27 days on a 690 SMCR, or circumnavigate Australia off-road (94% the land mass of the USA) on an XT660 or cross the Sahara on a Ducati Desert Sled. I do so LOVE armchair "experts". Stick to your couch mate.
I bought my Yamaha SCR 950 (2017) , which was marketed as a Scrambler but it's not. It does have some nice adventure tires which allows me to take the motorcycle on forest roads but once I get to anything technical, its game over. I knew what I was buying when I got it, so I am ok with it. It's a bike that is rather wierd but then again, so am I....
I see the Ducati Desert Sled is a great street bike that also happens to enjoy surfaces other than asphalt on occasion. The Desert Sled is awesome if you have a gravel or fire road along the way on your trip where it doesn't make sense to ride a dual sport just to hit a gravel or grass patch. I don't own a scrambler but that's my idea of what they really are great for.... at least the Desert Sled...
I just got a 1200 XC. Nicest bike I've ever owned, and the best-looking IMO. 89hp there guy, you jipped us one, lol. I got the XC because they stripped all the good parts off it to create the new "X" model, and I have little interest in taking it off-road so I had no interest in an XE with that high CG, that I would have to tiptoe at every stoplight. My last bike had 208 hp, the one before that had 185hp, and the crazy thing is the Triumph 1200 XC motor, with its sweet transmission, may be more fun stoplight to stoplight, hitting the same torque figures at 3,200 rpm as my 185hp bike did at 7,500rpm. That means fun. Thinking back, I never went above 7,500 rpm on the road anyway, because it just got stupid and illegal after that, so to have all that power down low where it'll be used on the street is awesome. The thing tries to lift the front wheel from 2,000 rpm. RPM is engine life too. Think about how long a diesel truck lasts, that's because the engine "travels" so much less per mile. Realistically, my bike will spend at least 95%+ of its time on the road. We don't have roads in the Midwest where you can just legally ride off-road like you can out West. If you look at a Federal Public Land map, there's basically none for several states by me in Ohio. That said, I think the purest "Scrambler" you can buy today is the Scrambler 900 though. Scramblers are street bikes that have been given some off-road capabilities, unlike dual-sports which are just heavy motocross bikes with hard narrow seats and street tires. The Dessert Sled is almost its own animal, because it's not really either, but definitely built with mostly off-road intentions, although nobody would call it a motocross bike.
True!!! All these manufacturers are jumping on the trend and jacking up the prices, without really looking at the history of the scrambler and putting out a real effort in what a scrambler really is and staying true to it’s history.
What would it mean to "stay true to it's history" and why does it matter?
That’s why I got my own dual sports. Brings me with a smile every time I rode it.
Oh, we have the same bike😃. I got it January this year. Enjoy riding and more memorable miles ahead.
Spite is entitled to his opinion. His opinion is wrong but he is entitled to it.
He's got some brass neck to criticise manufacturers for producing popular 'on trend' machines whilst being a fanboy of HD who shied away from branching out for so long that they are now stuck in the rut of their own brand image.
Don't know who this guy is but accusing scramblers of being fashion statements meanwhile he likes Harley Davidson tells me everything I need to know about his opinions.
@ Yammie: I don't know, man ... as a motorcycle enthusiast I get irritated that so many bikes suck. 650 cc bikes suck. Cruisers suck. Scramblers suck.
Thats like saying a 4x4 truck or a wrangler isn't designed to go off road because its not a side by side....?
I have a 690 SMC and an extra set of wheels to go off roaring from a 690 enduro. Works great on and off road.
Probably feeding the 'troll' (I don't know if he's truly trolling, but some of what he said is stupid enough) by commenting and rewarding the video with algorithm points, but I don't think anyone buys a Street Scrambler etc. with any notion of off-roading. The scrambler element is a practice in aesthetics, I think everyone accepts that. The assertion that you should instead buy a café racer is facetious and somewhat obnoxious. You're willfully ignoring the truth that the vast majority of people already know and accept.
Oh, and meant for hipsters? Catch yourself on. They're meant for people who are attracted to a classically styled bike. That alone does not a hipster make. On top of that as an example, the Triumph Street Scrambler (significant less expensive than the 1200 Scramblers), is a very well thought of bike going by everything I've seen or read about it. Might be another reason why people buy them. They look great, are well made, fun to ride and comfortable.
I'll say it again, because you brought it up a thousand times in this video, people acknowledge that their modern classic scrambler cannot off-road effectively, and that's ok - as they aren't intended to beyond light green lanes or gravel.
Honestly this has been an exercise in restraint not cursing while writing. This video was just so god damn senseless, ill conceived and shows a thorough lack of understanding to my mind.
Then again maybe I've just taken the bait, but it's been a while since I've had a good rant so what the hell.
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@@DennisEldrup the sound of it going over my head? If the video was a piss take, I'm not familiar enough with them to 'get' their sense of humour or inside jokes, and it didn't come through particularly clearly if that's the case.
@@Chambers_90 Scramblers, 650cc bikes, cruisers, harleys, bla bla bla ... suck! Here's why...
He starts out saying it's "some of the coolest looking bikes you can get". "I need to remind everyone that Scrambler motorcycles are very cool".. And that Yammies scrambler was one of the most enjoyable motorcycles he's ever ridden. And he took a shit on his own motorcycle?
And ... "Ride the motorcycle you like" - How can you not watch this video as a funny poke at the whole hipster-scrambler PR wave we're seeing lately?
Personally I think scramblers look great, but I agree 100% that it's so obviously fake that manufacturers try to market them as custom old-school scramblers, when it's just a completely standard motorcycle with a different design. And overpriced as fuck.
Really my plans has been to convert a dual sport to a functional scrambler.
I did it. Cool headlights, the seats, homemade body panels, all the stuff. The headlights lasted about three trails, the tail lights broke instantly, and the seats coated in unremovable mud
As someone who lives out where roads are made of various surfaces, these are actually appealing. Dirt roads, gravel, paved, beat paved....
I just got a 2019 triumph 1200 XE, I love it, minus stock tires, but it will get Continental Tkc80 just like my fz07 has. so dumb things can happen at a faster rate than normal lol
Back in the late 70s I climbed mountains in Colorado on rough jeep trails that required winches in the bad spots on a Honda street bike. I've ridden trails and jumped a CX500. THAT is what a scrambler is about. Dirt biking on what you have. Neither Honda could out do my Pentons or KTM, but as a boomer, I wouldn't touch a modern bike. Especially an over technological one that's hijacking the name scrambler. At the most, they're duel purpose.
Agree with you, had a wet dream about getting a Triumph scrambler. But when i found out it had much less ground clearance than my homemade Sportster scrambler, i decided not to waste my money on a Triumph....
As a rider of a 2012 Raider 1900 and a Triumph Scrambler 900, I can honestly tell you there IS a difference between riding the two on my 2 miles of crappy dirt roads. The Raider was NOT made for that kind of punishment. Plus repairs and maintenance on the Raider vs the Scrambler after daily use on those roads will prove easily that the Scrambler is the better choice. I also paid less than a fraction for my scrambler :)
Moral of the story all bikes suck
yeah, i take my SMCR off road all the time.. you just cant expect it to do everything. mud and hill climbs are out of the question but other then that, thing is okay..
im looking at that Husqvarna Svartpilen 701 thinking that make a dope Scrambler
Jeez dood, lay off the stock footage and photo inserts - you can get too much of a good thing, and those aren't good things.
I like scramblers. Had a couple if Honda 305 scramblers in the 60's. Rode a 1963 Triumph TR6 fir a long time. Rode it on lhe local motocross track once in a while. To me a scrambler is just a road bike with a little better suspension and available dirt tires. I'm waiting for the Royal Enfield 650 scrambler. It might work for me. For now my 400 ADV bike is working
Like alway your explanation are very clear and strait forword. And i apreciat that
So basically, it's a personal preference and you're making some poor ole chap feel like they made the wrong choice. Ultimately, ride what you like and where you like. Who's gives a rat's ass what the "norm" is. Take that bike and be the fuckin rebel.
It is the same story with all these expensive ADV bikes which off the shelf require modifications as well to make them off road capable. At least most the scamblers are a lot lighter. The question is really what are you going to use the bike for? My guess is someone buying a scambler is looking for a bike that does a little bit of everything plus like someone buying an ADV. It's just a matter of taste.
Actual, real, genuine, scramblers are exactly what these bikes are! A street bike or cruiser stripped down with some knobs, some better suspension and......that’s it. That’s a scrambler. I take my iron 883, put some knobbies on it, maybe a high exhaust, rip off the fenders, some taller suspension and there you go, I got a scrambler. Genuine scrambler.
Hey, that’s actually not a bad idea?🤔
Not a bad idea, HD does have not a scrambler. If HD makes one, it should be cheaper than the 883.
The best bike is the one you build yourself to your own specs.
💀 trap
This approach is a real money pit but you do get what you want.
@@ABCABC-sq5db Only if you don't know what you're doing just like everything in life.
I love all the stock image looking gifs you guys have on here. Classic
You forgot to mention the triumph street scrambler by far the most popular model and much cheaper than the Scrambler 1200
Is the svartpilen considered a scrambler? It has off road tires right?
Would a Honda CRF 450 rl be a good starter bike for going on/off road?
I ride a 2016 triumph scrambler and it’s the coolest bike I’ve ever had. People love it and with upgraded shocks/forks it can do just about anything an d scrambler an do
Scrambling started in the U.K. in 1924 in Camberley perhaps earlier. It came from the term “hare scrambles”
The R nine T started with the R nine T roadster with the upside down forks a street bike with no off-road pretentions, from there they added the R nine t scrambler and pure as cheaper options to the original roadster they then added the racer and urban GS. While the original R nine T is a bit retro it’s mostly just a standard, although the additional models were bandwagon jumping to chase a fad. At the end of the day they are great bikes to ride.
The SCL500 is dope but needs suspension and tires before I’m taking it through any Dual Sport territory.
Do you get the Fantic Caballero 500 in the US? Comes with real heritage and it has 40hp and 155kg. A hoot to ride!
I don’t necessary disagree with any of these points, and honestly I’d go even further and say mostly they also apply to all ADV Motorcycles, but I think there’s another reason these sell so well that was not addressed. Just like SUVs and Jeeps their real appeal for most people is having extra room and suspension to add comfort for more than a 20 mile commute. The only other options with room are Vans and then people think you are a soccer mom or serial killer so you can’t really avoid others judgements. Yes, the your statement that a cafe racer could go all the same is true but it’s also true factory provided cafe racers are no truer to their origins than ADVs or scramblers are and you could do all the same things on a standard for less cost and likely with more comfort than on a cafe racer. So where do you draw the line? I’m bigger than the average 12 year old so it’s becoming more and more difficult for me to find decent fitting rides in a market desperate to attract newbies without any balance and...well... 12 year olds, so I personally love bikes like the scramblers. Yes, I could mod others to fit me but the cost difference would end up being minimal so why not have the image and added capability even if I rarely need them? And as for the fear of taking a 15k unit off road - when 450 MX racers cost 10-12k it and a set of plastics for an ADV cost 2-3 it doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to take a naked scrambler worth 15k out for some light off roaring any more.
I like the Ducati Scramblers aesthetics but you are right in that I'd never taken a brand new 15k bike off road.
That's best left to old and tired bikes who've long lost their fresh coat of paint.
Exactly, the new ones are too heavy to scramble anyway. I would advise getting a cheap Honda cb360 or 350, slap some dual sport tires on, and go have a blast. Did that with mine two days ago. 10 miles off road in mud and sand. Great fun.
Excellent, my bud just bought a triumph scrambler to ride off road and I was thinking dual sport or enduro
Wait but if you were to say turn a honda cb250e into scrambler, would it be different?
Although I mostly agree, I will say that I have taken my "urban explorer" scrambler Svartpilen 401 across the Peruvian Andes (several times) through paved and non-paved roads. Once, I rode approximately 150 km of pure dirt at more than 4000 meters above sea level; another time, I trip of 50 km of also dirt reaching 4950 meters above sea level. So, the urban explorer can really scram
using a ssupersport to tear up gravel roads is still fun but only uphill. downhill is scary.
Exactly. They get real loose with a little throttle and it's a blast (until you start taking chunks out of your expensive sport tires)
@@johnseed4104 i do it when my profile isnt deep enough anymore and i have to switch the tire anyway. I can't do a burnout with abs and roling burnouts are quite scary when the tire suddendly bites.
DR-Zs are basically dirtbikes with lights. The K and E aren't even street-legal in the USA.
Admittedly, most modern scramblers need more dirty bits, but one could also start with a pure streetbike, like a TU250X or Nighthawk 250, and build a scrambler out of it.
But what about the cheaper, small displacement, Japanese scrambler/scrambler-esque bikes? I wouldn't buy any "off road" bike made by cruiser companies
spilled my coffee when I saw the "cruise control" picture :')
Very value information.
4:19.... I did just drop $17k on a Triumph Rally Pro and can feel that. I bought it because I wanted something more comfortable than my F4i and get into some adventure riding, but the 2 times I've taken it on some trails, that price tag does creep into the back of my mind, struggling up a sandy hill feeling like Im burning a much more expensive clutch than is on my YZ450 that was 1/3rd the price....
Might be an unpopular opinion but the metzeler tourance 90/10 or 85/15 is a great tire for what it is advertised. Most people will do little more than a dirt road anyway and they are perfect for that. As long as you aren't doing anything too technical they are great. Pluss might as well wear those out while you get used to the bike then put some 50/50s of your choice on there and tear up some more techy trails
I just bought an Indian FTR 1200 Rally. Yeah, it looks cool. Yeah, TONS of people come up and ask what it is. Dynamically though it's the funnest motorcycle I have owned in the past 20 years.
I’m with you on the Chevelle...SS.