I find out why my 1980 power wagon wouldn’t drive 876 miles and FIX IT!!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this episode I figure out why the clutch was slipping on my 1980 dodge. This truck was a failed fly and drive attempt that ended because the clutch would not pull the truck. So obviously that’s what needs replacing. Or is it? You wont believe what we find
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The mice didn't wedge the debris in the pressure plate. The mice got the debris into the pressure plate and centrifugal force pushed it into the fingers wedging them open when you used the clutch during the revival. The clutch worked the first few times you used it, then it became wedged open.
Hm. Probably right
Great minds my friend, was sitting here thinking the exact same thing.
Good deduction.
Hey put a lawn mower carburetor on that you might get 25 miles a gallon.. great job on the clutch
I am living India Tamil Nadu state. Tenkasi district. Pungampatty small village . Your program very nice. U long drive wow super. U best mechanic. Nice man
U best mechanic nice man 😢❤
Welcome! Nice to know car enthusiasts are everywhere!
Me again from Argentina, great team work with your dad, how is the manager doing this days? Specially with the hot weather ( meaning your dog)
@@arielkings2835he’s doing good he’s just a little old
Tight bit of guntering, love it.
I don't think that the mice packed that. I think that truck probably stood long periods between drives, the mice brought in stuff and only when the clutch was pressed did it fall between housing and spring forks. This built up over time and your first drive out there was the one that dropped the final packing in between.
Regards from South Africa
Definitely possible
The obvious next step is to tow it back to that mountain and drive it home :)
Centrifugal force is what happened. Once it spun ,the nesting material was forced in, tighter that ever.
LOL when it takes burning a hole in the battery to learn you always bolt down your battery. Lessons we learn the hard way seem to have a lasting impression.
Yup, you pull the motor out, replace the clutch, and, while you're in there you replace the bad core plugs and possibly a rear main seal also.
I suspect the mice/rats did not actually wedge that debris into the pressure plate fingers like you found it. Instead, I’d bet they did build a big ol’ nest in the clutch area, and once you got the engine running and the worked the clutch, each time you depressed the pedal, centrifugal force threw that nest debris into the now open space between the pressure plate housing and the fingers. Once enough got in there, it was no longer allowing the pressure plate fully engage, creating very little (almost zero) holding force. You had to use a press to push down on those fingers. Other than Mighty Mouse, there isn’t a mouse or rat strong enough to have pushed debris into that area and caused the fingers to move. Anyway… great episode. I’ve never seen that particular issue, so it was educational. I think you have a solid driver now!
The nest was loosely packed until the engine was spinning. Once you depressed the fingers with the throw out bearing the trash could get packed in by the rotational force .
Centrifugal force
@@grantkoeller8911 centripetal
While you had the motor out I would have dropped the oil pan and put front and rear seals a new oil pump.
Great video Travis! BTW noticed Chris’s Mustang parked by the tractor (I found your channel thru his video). I think you got a solid truck-nice to see you decided to fix it! Keep up the good work 👍🏻.
Yeah it’s here I’m helping him sell it
Rats didn’t do that. That happened from the truck spending most of its life running through pucker brush. That debris floating around inside kept migrating in behind the fingers via centrifugal force. With the spinning of the clutch, every time the guy pushed in the clutch more and more debris would fly in there by centrifugal force. Every time he’d release the clutch the finger force would pack the debris. That process continued till the truck wouldn’t go any more. THATS how that debris got so packed in there.
I’d agree with your assessment.
Good call and explanation.
Cheers from Schuylklll County
Makes Since!
I guess that dust shield that nobody puts back on has a purpose.
@@raoulcruz4404 well, a common infiltration stop is the boot around the clutch fork through the side of the bellhousing. Typically it either gets removed for various reasons or simply ages and cracks/falls apart. Driven mostly hard surfaces or pavement is no big deal but for a 4wd that is predominantly used off road it can be. Just my guess. Especially knowing where it came from and where it was left.
The mice didn't pack that in there, they had a house in the pressure plate but using the pedal is what packed it in. They didn't come in through the inspection cover either. On the driver's rear of the engine block right below the freeze there's a hole, they go up through that hole, make sure that's all cleaned out too before it gets pulled into the clutch.
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Hi Travis, By your account of removing the protective cover and inspecting a relatively clean bell housing, it would have been sheer luck to have made a decision to dig deeper, to discover the compacted rats nest. Like you said, you learned something that perhaps you'll never see again. I thank you and your dad for another educational and entertaining video. Regarding the drone: Definitely a nice addition. The views from your property are fantastic! As ever, Best Regards from CT! Doug
Thanks for the feedback and yeah that was an anomaly for sure. Hard one to catch.
You and your dad are awesome I love you guys man you got a good Channel going on so just keep on keeping on guys
Enjoy your content and your down home common sense. I know a lot of people say you should have done this or that but this is the best way to learn. Enjoy your Dad while you have him, he’s a gem. Good luck to both of you!
It's like the clutch was disengaged (maybe pushed in with a wedged length of wood) for a period while off the road to prevent it sticking to the flywheel. This allowed the dirt from rodents to get in behind the fingers. When they removed the wood the clutch wasn't right so they parked it up again and eventually it got sold to you. Love your videos and the inclusion of your dad (because he's my age and I can see the great relationship you have), regards Dave in London England.
Enjoy your time learning from your father and enjoying time together. These are the memories that matter.
I would say it's less likely to have been a mouse rather than someone 4 wheeling and the dirt collecting as they are holding the clutch in and coasting. Likely why it was parked in the first place. Over time, as the clutch cooled off, it was able to grab enough to move for you. No matter the situation, looks like you got a very nice truck on your hands. They only made that specific design 2 years. That design was unique in the way of having the more rounded 70's fenders with the 80's hood. The body lines of the 70's doesn't match up with the 80's body lines down the side. I had a 1980 adventurer, black on silver, that was 2 wheel drive...loved that old truck, it was a good one. Great video!!! Thanks for sharing.
I think that's right. I wonder if it would have been possible to clear that out by jamming a pressure washer out there while you work the clutch.
The dirt and debris was probably there and when you started the engine and pressed the clutch the centrical force caused everything to pack in behind the fingers. So when you let the clutch up the fingers couldn’t return. Every time you pressed the clutch down. It packed itself more and more down under the fingers.
Crazy man. Good save!!
Well it wasn't the clutch, so the question remains. Wonder why they parked it and walked away from such a nice truck?
None of those left on the East coast, I would restore it back and enjoy it!
2:30If you want to do a certain job a certain way go buy a truck with a blown clutch and do the job how ever you want to do it. The guy making the video get to decide how he’s going to replace the clutch that’s why.
And when you first started it and depressed the clutch, the rat crap got slung outward by centrifugal force where it jammed it! Wow! Mystery solved. I was thinking weakened springs from slpagge causing overheating. WRONG!!😂
I get the saving money part, but I would've changed the rear main seal when the engine was out...
Haha that Mustang looks extremely familiar in the background 🤔
So glad the clutch was OK. Still a lot of work.
It's a bit of a shame as the engine being out presented a good opportunity to work on other things ('while it's out) but I understand that you really wanted to see if it'd work.
Keep up the great job of saving cars and entertaining your viewers ! Really love that truck so I'm happy to hear it'll get some more attention.
Love them older Dodge Powerwagon trucks. Them 318s will run forever if you maintain them. Your Dad is a cool ol bird… him telling you the sequence on the pressure plate bolts… 💯. And the drone is a cool addition…
Really enjoy your content. Nice to see a father and son working together. That engine plate is cool that your grandfather fabricated. Your father has is now 35 years and I will assume you will be the next one to hold it and use it. Hope you have a son also that one day will have a passion for automobiles and work with you.
I live on the western slope of Colorado, and i've physically seen rats and mice do the very same thing you were talking about. Was as stumped as you were. Now ya know. Great video as always. Cheers Travis & Dad
I think the clutch was full of crap and when you pushed the pedal down it filled the clutch full engaging the clutch,, no such thing as mitey mouse 😅
The debris was in there loose, stepping on the clutch allowed it to slide into place, the centrifugal force of the spinning clutch housing forced it further in. It probably got worse as you drove. The stuff may have been in there before the truck was parked, and may have been a reason it got parked.
That's what I thought. The mouse house was just setting in there and as he used it from the initial start and drive it forced it in further thusly making it worse the more it ran. Good observation but what an odd thing some simple mice can cause 😂 little bstrds
I’m a real big fan of your channel. After a long day at work, it’s a real pleasure watching you and your dad working on the vehicles. Please also continue to visit more museums and include them in your videos.
Thanks that means a lot!
Totally enjoying your channel. Your immense respect for your father, coupled with your very different personalities, resonates greatly. Hope you soon get one million and beyond subscribers.
Thank you for the comment means a lot.
Glad you fixed 'er... awesome truck!
Maybe its possible that every time you test drove it and pushed the clutch in the dirt and debree starting getting pushed in between the fingers and back plate. I cant imagine any rodent haveing that much strength. LOL It did have clutch at first. Yes Nice truck ,
Glad you were able to figure out the clutch issue and yes the drone shots are sweet. I like it when your dad is helping out. ❤️😎
the first time you depressed the clutch pedal while running all the mouse house was slung into there when you let off of the clutch compressed and help packing until it didn't work
I don’t think the mice had the power to force them fingers forward. I think when u pushed clutch in the centrical force threw the debris outward an when u pushed in on clutch the debris went behind the fingers an wouldn’t let the fingers come out all the way. Love your channel.
AGREE.
Yep!!
Good call on your part......never mind the haters and negative comments. Take your Dad out for a nice dinner.
Should have cleaned up the pressure plate face and flywheel and used new clutch disc
I ran into the problem of the standard bolts and metric when i had a 76 Pinto run a bout with a V- 6 in it . That motor was made in Brazil bit the rest was assembled here in the US , so after i got past the top of the motor it was all metric and at that time the only metric tools i had was some wrenches i had for my motorcycle . I had to put a new timing gear set on it because the old ones were mounted with neoprene and they all ended up in the oil pan . You could order soild timing gears so thats what i did but , getting that oil pan off on a V-6 was a buggar !!!
i really wish i could understand why the US went to the metric system just dont understand just made us mechanics have to purchase a whole new set of tools
I bet that was a long term problem with that truck. Previous owner probably put a new plate in, didn't fix the problem so they said to hell with it and parked it.
The front and rear diff ratios have to be exactly the same not close.
The nest was slung into the clutch as it was spinning and you pushed in the clutch, not by the mice. That is why it worked at first, and slowly got worse.
With all the slipping you did on that clutch, you should have taken the pressure plate and flywheel to a machine shop to have it resurfaced if all possible.
the nesting material wasnt in between the finger springs until you started using the clutch,the centrifical force spone the nest material in when you started driving and using the clutch
been doing this stuff for a hand full of years ,be 70 in a frew days ,still enjoy tinkering just a lot slower
When I saw Dad was on the job, I knew all would go well
That tow bracket/ball will certainly hurt against the odd shin though
First time I have seen mouse house stop clutch fingers from engaging properly.
great job travis mate.love the way your dad guides you with his experience and knowledge but lets you lead the job at hand.great channel travis and some cool drone footage. looking forward to the next video
Thanks . Learn a lot from dad !
By the way. I’m sure you know how lucky you are to have your dad.
Big question is, if you had realized that was the problem, while you were in Colorado, could you have fixed it on site?
Great video. It might be that the nest was there years ago and someone else back In Colorado had tried to use the clutch when the housing was packed, discovered it wouldn’t work properly, took the dust cover off cleaned out what rodent debris they could then left it… just saying… Anyway yes the aerial shots are good, NNKH uses it too in their videos… Thanks T.
You should have used a small vacuumed in stead of a blow nozzle. That way you could no for sure you got every thing!
When you first relased the clutch (with the engine running) centrifugal force forced the rodent debris outward.
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Travis, I look forward to seeing your videos whenever they come up. It's great to see you and your dad working together to troubleshoot and the git er done work ethic. Your knowledge and enthusiasm for your projects add to pleasure of watching you get these projects done. Keep up the good work! The drone footage and editing are on point!! It just keeps getting better and better.👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Do you change the rear main seal? I didn't see it.
Hi Travis, Love watching your videos. Great content. Awesome to watch you and your Dad work together.
Keep em coming. I also enjoyed the drone shots. What kind of drone are you using?
Have a great week and God Bless 🙏
A dji mini 3 pro
All that work and you didn't put a new clutch in it.
It doesn’t have to be right it just has to work, save the money for something else. However this one isn’t bad.
@@corydriver7634 Agreed. May as well reuse the good parts after fixing the real problem.
nice old rig that! I kind of wish i had money and wasn't over in the UK otherwise i'd snap that up in a heartbeat!
also not bad drone flying, though it seemed that you where getting a little too close to those power lines.
Love me an old skool Dodge! The drone is fun.
Glad we got to see what the problem was so soon after the first video!
That was a good idea what you did with the fingers. I was thinking that same thing when I first looked at it 👍🇺🇸
Awesome work man! 🧐
Hey Travis, I have seen this happen many times, not just from mice but I bet yours is from all of the dry brush where the truck was from all the dirt and brush amd debris I seen when dad was blowing it out almost looked like straw... just over time it builds up inside and gets to the point where your at. Just packed it in slowly more and more. Seen this on a few tractors too that didn't have a inspection cover at all..! Explain that one haha love the truck man.
Dude when you jumped that old pile over the uhaul trailer I shit my freaking pants laughing so hard ! That was awesome man ….. for me not you. I’ve been there keep up the hard work.
Good video I really like that truck
U lose the transmission and cross member bolts and rear driveshaft off pinin the. Slide back use floor jack hood up Tran and tanfer case enough to get too clutch
I Learned something new, and I thank you very much. It was free information of an occurrence that is rare in mud. You may fill up the plate with the mud and the clutch would also slip. Thank you very much
Absolutely fantastic episode and the drone edit's are really good
Heck yeah thanks 🤙🏻
Probably the best truck I've ever owned was a 1978, 318 Dodge 4 X 4. It was amazing both in the snow and mud!!! Fun video, but maybe stop cheaping out on so many things. People will pay for something done right. I'm preping a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited for resale. Doin it right the 1st time. 😮
The drone shots were great. I loved the resolution, color and stability of the video. What drone and video system did you use?
Drone is a dji mini 3 pro
Yeah, I use to live in Florence AZ, and worked in Eloy at 1 of the prisons, It was too hot for me, Im from Ohio, and people said I'd get use to it, but driving a 92 Silverado back and forth with no AC, I made it a year and moved back to Ohio lol, Drove that 92 Silverado with 400k miles on her 2100 miles and only blew out a bearing, it was 113F when I left, made it to Globe AZ where it was in high 50s, crazy what a hour drive can do.
Yeah. It’s crazy out here
The disk in the clutch has enough wear to change it, unless you want to remove the engine next year...
To me it was most likely the slow buildup of dirt and gravel with the previous owner climbing that god awful hill to their home. The centrifugal force would slowly fill the cavities and maybe that's why they finally just parked it.
You've got yourself a nice old truck, better than any of this new crap they're putting out today. These new 5.7 Hemi's will never last like that old 318. That's a real truck, back when trucks were built for working not running to soccer practice.
I appreciate you putting out the second video & I really hope you keep that truck & enjoy it for years to come.
Great job.👍🏻👍🏻
Yeah I love this old iron. Best stuff ever built.
I don't want to be "That Guy" but my 1st thought was to take an air hose to it. It clearly wasn't the clutch.
I’d be spraying something in there too, who would have guessed?
Travis, I got my 9k lb. two post (clear floor) lift for only $1,500 a few years back. (Yes it's China made. And I've had to replace the pump once in 10 yrs w/one from Northern Tool.) If you pour a 5-6' slab you can easily put in a two pos lift. Sometimes you can find shops that are updating their lifts, & buy their old ones. Having a vehicle lift is SO much easier than crawling around on the ground.
I love the content you put out Travis. I like your cost conscious approach on these projects. It is also great to see you work with your Dad on these projects.
Drama, technical info, and cinematography it's all there. Great explanation on how the clutch works. Lloyd from WA.
we need t-shirts and hats!!! Now get to the DMV and get that truck registered in your name!
Good video and love the drone.
Man you don't want to be using pliers to turn those 4WD hubs. Lube them if you can't turn by hand. I've had several old Dodges.
Pliers
That's a new on for me! It's strange it got in there when the clutch was sitting engaged while parked. Maybe it fell into the fingers when you pushed the pedal the first time, makes me wonder if any amount of revving with the clutch pressed in would have blown it out.
Well we learned something here didn't we? Now that you know the cause, it might be an avenue to tighten the clutch adjustment up to where the throw-out bearing holds the clutch released and rev the engine up some what to possibly sling out all of that trash between the fingers and the cover. It would be something to try in the future, except do not rev the engine up too high as the clutch disc can burn. Of course holding the clutch pedal down helps clear that stuff out. I could not say for sure but it looks as though who ever had that ruck before had parked it because the clutch was slipping so bad and it appears that there would have been several attempts to adjust the clutch play because you had about the right play in the clutch pedal and with the clutch still slipping you had no choice but to get the clutch out and see what was the problem. Pulling the engine out killed about three birds with one stone as those plugs would have been a bear to replace with the engine in the truck. I think that due to the slight angle the engine sits in the engine bay the crud and rust settles back into the corners of the engine. Of course you would have had to pull something to get at those plugs at the back of the engine anyway. The most fun in watching these will it start videos is to try and put together a chain of events to try and determine why a vehicle has been parked like this one. We can only surmise but it is interesting to know "the rest of the story". Got yourself a pretty good truck there. Made a good call there to pull that engine out.
That’s is amazing a mouse house would cause that cluch to mess up. You have made this now Travis a truck someone will want. Thank you for sharing.
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They built a nest in there before you started it. The moment you pushed the clutch in it pushed the dirt and crap out under the fingers while it was spinning
I would imagine that the dirt was sat in the clutch by the fingers and when you pressed the pedal and opened the gap up with the engine running all the debris was forced further into the space causing the issue to occur.
Well now we all know = and we thank you 🙏= yes and drone shots are a million bucks shots = we love you
You and your dad doing stuff is great, i wonder if the rats had put stuff in the clutch housing and the first couple of times you pressed the clutch in colorado it wound up forcing the debris deeper into the housing, b/c the clutch seemed to work enough for you to climb down the hill before it started not working. Drone footage was great, I think it would be cool for you to use on the trips you take, like in the Colorado you could have shown how remote that truck was, or a drone shot of Bethlehem steel.
Yeah that’s why I bought it ! Just didn’t have it then. But yeah I coulda got some great footage
Omg you have a fram filter on there your engine is going to explode into 1 million pieces
That Ram is AWESOME. I'm glad you chose to save it. It sucks that it was such a process for an easy fix. I'm not big into Dodge trucks but I'm pretty sure I'm in love with that one.
This reminds me of when my father in law helped me fix a clutch in my old 75 vw rabbit
first he made a support with a pipe and 2 plates on the ends for the engine
then he measured and made a wooden dowel centering tool.
worked great
That is amazing amount of stuff coming out of that pressure plate but you know what it's probably still good I would go ahead and use that s*** why not
So cool to save this truck! crazy amount of work for that clutch, hopefully it wont need to be replaced anytime soon. what a wild problem. wish my old dodge was a manual 4x4 but my '85 dodge d150 is an auto 2wd cruiser. had it since I was 15 but didn't get driving until a few years ago. Drone shots are super awesome! I think they're so much fun to just fly around as well. God bless looking forward to future vids!!
a 318 is about bulletproof if you keep the oil & filter changed. But transmissions, clutches, water pumps, and u-joints are consumables ...
Great Job Theetravisb, and Dad getting ur 80 dodge PW motor-out, cleaned-out the pressure plate and installed-it back in ur truck.
too bad about the Battery jumping around and hitting the manifold. better button-down the new battery this time.
It's fun to work with your father. My father wasn't into cars, so I had to take a lot of laughs from guys I was working with when I was learning.