"READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE" If that's standard on the PAP, that rifle just died for me. I really don't like being called an idiot every time I look at my gun. Especially ridiculous on an AK. Anyway, really nice, detailed video.
Thank you and yes, I agree. Welcome to the legal liability laws of the US. Same as "don't put feet under lawnmower while running " mindset. Glad you enjoyed the video.
@@sunnycat69 which did you pick up? I grabbed the Russian Sunburst furniture and am currently waiting on my state's 10 day waiting period. I'm tempted to also get a 556 Jack since they restocked, but I just don't have the money right now
Wow this was a very in depth summary which is exactly what I was looking for, in fact more so! Thank you for taking the time to go through it all. It's not quite a WBP Fox but other than the Beryl Rear Trunnion they're identical so I could get a good idea of what to expect from my Fox purchase. Thank you!
the jack is sweet, but the zastava is a wasr killer. its the same price range as a wasr, was MUCH more available during 2020-2021. significantly better quality. and excellent marketing from Zastava USA
Got my ZPAP in like April and...kind of love the thing. If the Jack had been out back then, I might have had a more difficult choice, just for furniture compatibility. But the M70 is just great. Robust thing. A hefty girl, but pleasant to shoot and most of my mags fit pretty tightly- Bulgarian polymer, FAB polymer (required some filing), PSA waffle polymer, and Zastava's polymer bho all fit quite snugly. The Zastava steel and some cheap KCI too.
I have both guns. I think the WPB is a little more upscale than the M70. Both nice guns. If I had to carry the gun all day I would go with lighter WBP. I think the M70 looks better and maybe a little more solid construction. I like the battle worn finish M70 Zastava just came out with.
ZPAP, more robust for the price. Heavier Barrel, 1.5mm thick receiver, bulged RPK Trunion. All for 900 to 1100 bucks. Is it heavier, yes but in a good way. Both are good guns but the ZPAP is clearly better. The other is closer tp the newer Romanion builds. Also regardless of what anyone says. The best AK is the Fime VEPR. What is that one? Heavy barrel, 1.5mm reciever, bulged trunion. Only real difference is the furniture compatability. Thats similar to the ZPAP
I honestly prefer the longer hand guard on the Zpap. I realize it’s only an inch longer but I feel like it makes a difference when handling and I don’t even have big hands. I agree it being a tank. When you pick it up all you can think of is “serious business” lol
It’s hard to compare these two. The Zpap was Yugoslavias version of the akm. Yes they’re both in the AK family but one is made commercially and the other is made in a military factory. One is pretty and clean cut and the other is robust and originally, still is, made for war (not that they’d say no to consumer sales) see where I’m going with this? Regardless both are good quality and shoot well it’s all what you want out of the platform 👍
@@StaccatoXC im looking at my comment and I don’t see where I said you can’t use a WBP for a go to war gun so you might want to be careful for accusations your making before you embarrass yourself publicly. Anyone can use any gun for war that’s on you. The M70 is built FOR war and has military contracts across multiple nations. You do realize WBP is an assembler they don’t even make most of their parts right? They’re both great guns im simply stating fact. Civilian is WBPs market. Doesn’t make them a bad gun. Don’t be so sensitive it’ll be okay. You can use a 5 shot revolver as your go to war weapon for all I care.
You’re absolutely right I’m looking to buy my first battle weapon type rifle and if it’s not war ready then WTF would I want it for. we’re all preparing for some catastrophe aren’t we?… if the zatava is a better war weapon than it’s just better AK period. This Actually settled it for me. My next gun is the ZPAP M70 Magpul version. Btw, if I’m going to use a five shot revolver, in a war, I want the best one lol thanks man.
@@samchristo1745 your gonna love it. It’s beefy. Put a drum mag on it and a tripod attachment and with that bulged trunnion you got yourself a mini RPK!
Ive owned both and the wbp jack is slighty better in every category. That being said, i use the zpap more. Feels like i can use it as a club if i need to. The correct option here is to own both.
I know they usually come that way but the wood to steel fitting on the jack has so much of gap that a dollar coin would fit in there. It's so ugly. Zpap looks perfect on that aspect.
Thanks for the review! Pretty sure the slant brake on your Jack is non-conforming because it is vertical up at 90 degrees and shouldn't be. Nothing against the WBP Jack as it is only an inexpensive 922r part that was slapped on it upon import, but your impression of the rifle will be a bit better once you either get a better slant brake or use something else (my personal favorite is the Midwest Industries brake).
I got the WBP FOX n the Zastava ZPAP both great AKs I luv AKs period got a few of them I installed ALG trigger a ATI pistol grip n a BD2 muzzle break on all my AKs 😊 zastava is heavier with that 1.5 stamp receiver both great imports 🤙🏽
Without a doubt, my WBP Fox has the best 'action' and finish of any AK I own. It is not the most precise, but it is very good. Zpap's are heavy duty and good too, but I definitely prefer the WBP.
Thank you for your video !! Its verry detailed and informative .I own a ZPAP M70 and was wondering if the dust cover on the Jack thunderdome is compatable and will fit on the Zpap ?
The bigger problem at this time is what you can find. Whether or not they get another weapons ban passed is questionable, but if you want eight one, availability is becoming the issue.
Go hike / march 25 miles with the AKM style rifle, such as the Jack. And march with the ZPAP you will definitely feel the difference afterwards. Polish Jack AK will be handy in a apocalypse. ZPAP seems to be a great collectors piece and range gun. That’s just my opinion though.
Yeah, the WBP is lighter and nicer to carry, but people have been carrying the m70 for a long time. They are just in better shape. The fit and finish of the WBP is second to none on AKs. If I had one for the rest of my life, it would be the ZPAP. It's a tank and built like a light machine gun. Although I can't take anything from the WBP.
Most battle rifles are heavy. The HK Mr556A1 is their basic AR and it weighs as much as the Zpap. Not that the jack wouldn’t survive one but it’s not built for one. Not to mention their entire brand are built like brick shithouses it’s they’re thing.
@@huRlrnd3lders Both will outlast us and will last generations to come. Reason why Zastava has a 1.5mm receiver is because it’s mean’t shoot grenade launchers from its barrel. AKM, AK-103, and AK-74 can use, 40mm GP- under barrel grenade launchers mounted under the hang guard. Huge reason why former Yugoslav countries prefer to use the standard AK’s that I just mention. Not taking anything from Zastava, it can still be seen in conflicts around the world. And in the civilian market we won’t be using grenade launchers either, Hahaa. Although, you can’t go wrong with a Wasr 10 either. Century arms fixed the negatives of those rifles sometime ago.
@@KennethSchmitt AR-15 / M4a1 can be as heavy as an AKM when added with attachments. Although, Zastava is a pound or two heavier than a standard AKM and AR-15. Especially heavier when added with attachments. Not taking anything away from Zastava, it’s proven as it’s still seen in conflicts around the world.
@Zorro69 Yes, I know the history and why. I'm a builder. It's still a tank and harder to bend, dent, or destroy. At the price point, zastava can not be beat. I still would rather have a legendary factory build my firearm when it comes to imports.
I think both guns are made extremely well. I don't own a Jack but from what I've gathered online it's the newest edition of great AK's to buy on the American market. BUT assuming it's as good as the M70 and as tough. I still got to say Zastava wins due to the ease of takedown alone. The Jack gets credit for accessory compatibility, but I think that's irrelevant, because most people tend to leave their AK's plain jane anyways Even with dealing with an AKM you still got to be careful cause not all AKM parts fit all AKM's. Also, I think your Zastava having so much play is coincidental. Mine does not have that much play with any of my magazines. Even the cheap surplus steel magazines fit pretty solid, are more comparable to what your Jack is doing for me. I think they cut your magazine well a hair wider. I also like to add that the Jack cost about 500 bucks more than the Zastava. So is it worth it. The way I see it, if you're going to spend 1500 bucks on an AK you might as well spend the extra 500 on an arsenal. At least the Zastava you can find for an even thousand-dollar price tag. Just my opinion. I like the WBP too and think it's a great AK but for 1500 bucks it better be.
You magwell is cut different is another sign of the loose tolerances that Zastava has at their factory. I don't know where you are getting your prices but you might want to look around a bit for a better deal on prices. The cost differences are minimal and you get what you pay for.
@@whiterabbit201 well Ill have you know sir lol That I have 2 Zastavas now and neither of them have loose tolerances on the mags. So for me 2/2 have been extremely well fit. Bad eggs are out there. Im not saying Zastava can do no wrong, in fact I got a bit of minor beef with them over the cheapness of the accessories they rebrand from UTG. Im just saying brotato, you probably just got a bad egg. It happens with everyone, even arsenal.
@@kygent508 Naw, you're not old, I probably mumbling LOL. I use two, both are excellent. The Meridian Defense BD2-AK is one and the other is the VG6 Epsilon AK Muzzle Brake. Can't go wrong with either.
I noticed and it's not a big deal but my m70 was zeroed out of the box, but no dice for the jack. Also maybe a touch more recoil from the jack, I'm sure a better muzzle break would help with that
@@Zambezi_ comparatively speaking since the m70 has a thicker barrel and receiver it absorbs recoil a little more, it's not like the jack is a 12 gauge by any means. But the jack is like 7 pounds and the m70 is 9ish, I like the trap door on the jack too
I’d pick the Zpap any day you can tell just by looking at it that it’s a better built rifle I have no doubt the jack can handle whatever you throw at it too but there’s just something about that robustness from the heavier barrel gas block and sight post and bulged trunnion
I got the WASER 10 ,WBP FOX, M70 ZPAP all great AKs depending on what n were u gonna use them i did a rifle training course for a weekend almost 11 hours total I took my ZPAP after 3 hours my ass went back to my truck n grabbed my WASER 10 n finished day one wit a smile the second day took my WBP FOX 🦊 finished the day wit a smile my point it’s a heavy AK it’s manageable but if u running doing a lot of drills u gonna fill it for real I’m 200 pounds n in shape been doing boxing,wrestling n jujitsu for years I’m n instructor people don’t understand unless they ever did any type of field terrain rifle training I luv my ZPAP for home defense or range 🤷🏽♂️ shit even my PSA GF3 is fun n 💡🤣🎯🤙🏽
I own both and I agree WBP is the better over all qaulity plus weight reduction. When I say qaulity i mean extra machining not necessarily functionality. I would say Jack wins in my book just Weigh reduction alone.
It's lower in weight because the ZPAP has a bulged trunnion, thicker receiver and a heavier duty gas block and barrel, the profile of a ZPAP barrel (in regards to thickness) is similar in comparison to an RPK.
@@jamesray1439they are built that way because it would frequently feature an attached grenade launcher. It’s been featured in a lot of wars and built for longevity
@@KennethSchmitt while I think you should be able to purchase rifle grenades. How does that make sense on a rifle built for the civilian market? Like I said, the bulged trunnion serves zero purpose on a civilian rifle. It’s heavier for literally no added benefit. Point proven.
@@jamesray1439 might help with muzzle rise but your right. Weight won’t stop everyone from buying it though. Some people love utilitarian and rugged pieces. The Mossberg 590A1 has a crazy thick heavy barrel cuz the navy and the marines slam it around in armored vehicles and in hatches and people pay the extra money for it even though they don’t need it.
Thank you this was a very thorough video and provided a lot of detail. I do have a question with the Jack is appears that a lot of the furniture was not fully seated in the frame as you could see ridges around the stock and handguards is that the way it is supposed to be or had you taken them off and just had not fully seated them. I am assuming that is the way it is supposed to be but that seems like a design issue as it looks like areas for water and dirt to enter the receiver.
Hi Mark. It came that way and I also thought it was a furniture issue. However, if you watch Union 47 74 channel (he is the resident expert on AKs) he states that they are made that way to keep them from splitting. All the Jacks and other AKMs I've seen also have that gap.
@@MrMravery Hi Mark, thank you for the quick reply and that is good to know. I am familiar with AK Operations Union videos and yes he is very knowledgeable. Glad to know that is designed that way for a reason and not just improperly carved stock. Thanks again for the great video so now I am considering the 16" Jack vs the mini jack with the milled receiver.
My furniture was also poorly fit, I sanded down the buttstock to make it flush at shoulder left the space at receiver. I think the rifles assembled in US are more loose and stocks are dry vs the WBP factory assembled in Poland
looking to buy my first ak, and right now it seems to be a toss up between the zpap and the jack. the zpap makes more sense price wise, especially given the extra fees for shipping, taxes, and paperwork, as well as compliance work (mag will need to be pinned to 10 and the break will at minimum need to be pinned & welded) but some of the non-standard parts might be an issue later on if I decide I want to customize it, and it seems the build quality is a bit shoddy, not sure if that extra weight is good thing or a bad thing, since my main complaint with all of the other AK's ive looked at in stores is that they feel flimsy like a toy, but who knows maybe thats just a thing with stamped guns and a milled gun would be more to my liking, also could've just been the plastic furniture as well. the jack seems to be built a bit better, but aesthetically isnt as nice in some ways, and tho the price isnt that much higher than the zpap, that still raises the overall cost, plus it has a bayonet lug that would need to be ground off in order to be compliant. also im assuming WBP is a federally registered manufacturer like zastava is as thanks to a new dumbass law passed here in NJ last year, all firearms must have a serial # and it must have been put there by a federally registered maker or it's considered to be a "ghost gun" and illegal. was gonna go with the zpap since I have a yugo sks and that thing is a beauty, but right now I think i'm leaning more toward the jack.
@@MrMravery I think i'm going to go with the jack, particularly since a couple places have them for sale at around the same price as what I'd get the yugo one for, just gonna have to sort out the details regarding compliance work and such.
They’re both great. I kinda prefer the m70 the recoil is way softer. People tend to over exaggerate the weight and the “lack of parts” it weighs just as much as a decked out AR or most battle build rifles (HK MR556A1). Khyber customs literally has everything you would need for the Yugo from improved safeties to modern furniture etc. It is built like a brick shithouse and I love it for that reason.
@MrMravery LOL. The Jack is $1149 but I included the additional $30 shipping charge along with the extra $75 transfer fee my LGS charges. You may very well be right about owning both, especially if "cheap " ammo is still available. Heck, I remember paying $2 for a box of 20 for steel case back in the early nineties! Thanks for the feedback!
I have the Jack and love it but that ZPAP looks nice and I need to get one. The advantage I would give to the Jack over the ZPAP is the Jack has that cool Polish logo on the side.
Has Zastava fixed, or addressed their issues with QC. I've seen numerous videos, and pictures of the m70 having cracked recievers, broken bolt carriers, problems with metallurgy, etc. I'm considering getting an m70 in Serbian red, but I'm kind of hesitant now with what I've seen. I'm starting to lean more towards getting a WBP Jack instead.
Good question! I know when Battlefield Las Vegas did a review on their AK rifles that they put through tens of thousands of rounds the Zastavas faired not so well while Milled and Romanian rifles were some of the best
I haven’t put enough rounds threw mine to have an issue. But recently I did see a carrier brake after about 2-3k rounds. Broke in the rear where it holds the bolt. Supposed to be cylindrical but zastavas is more slanted in shape.
You left out a very important fact , ( prices ) I’m pretty sure the Jack is several hundred more than the M70 . Budget is a big determining fact for a lot of people when buying . When I bought my ZPAP , you couldn’t find a Jack anywhere , another thing you forgot to mention while talking about the fire control parts was the fact of a Sheppard’s hook v’s a retainer plate on the guns . At the time I purchased my gun , if theJack was available I would have bought one . For the price , I think my ZPAP is a great gun , but I would prefer the lighter gun , & the fact that you can change out furniture so easy , but unless I sold my ZPAP to buy a Jack , I’ll just have to stick with what I have . With that said , I did take my ZPAP AK47 & my Palmetto 105 AK74 to the range yesterday & remembered that , I love shooting my ZPAP
I own both and I can say that both rifles are great and will not give you problems and will do everything you ask of them. Although if I had to choose I would go with the Jack because it’s lighter and I find the palm swells more comfortable in my hand.
Aside from showing you the last round has been ejected, what is the purpose of the bolt hold open considering the bolt slides back into place as soon as the magazine is removed? Educate me.
Curious as to why you didn't go into more detail on the ZPAP's dust cover button release. Very easy to reinstall the cover with this feature. By the way, are you using a shepards hook or something like a Krebs retaining plate for the axis pins? Nice review on both. Palm mags with steel lugs are the bomb but don't expect them to fit into Arsenal milled receivers. Word of advice for new ZPAP owners....make sure to Loktite the long bolt that secures the stock to the rear trunnion. They're known to wobble loose if not Loktited.
The M70 (& zpap m70) has the ability to eject a chambered round while the selector is in the safe position. With the Akm (& jack akm) you have to take it off safe to eject a chambered round.
@@MrMravery definitely, got my hands on that beauty a couple days ago, finish and quality are awesome. Also it feels very lightweight in my opinion. Sadly to restrictions and high ammo prices in my country I can only get the jack in .223 , 7.62x39 is only allowed for hunters and collectors 😂🤦♂️(no sense at all). I'll be doing some kinda tactical AK build with it, it's gonna be great. best regards from Germany very nice comparison 👍
Great video. To me the jack is PERFECT. But it doesn't justify being 400 more than a wasr 10. In fact the wasr is built in a war factory next to military guns. The zpap on the other hand is priced in between but is yugo pattern. 1.5mm , buldged trunnion, heavy ak47 barrel.
Wbp has made statements there not doin high numbers to get better quality were zastava is pumping them out without bayo lugs and grenade sights and raw metal in places jack with no rail all day 💯💪
Literally, the opposite of what the Russians did, the lighter akm does everything the heavier ak does but is way lighter. I have both, the zpap is stupid heavy compared to the jack.
@@xxdizannyxx OK. So you paid $150-200 more for a lesser built gun, but with a better paint job. Got it! Why didn't you just buy a WASR10, VSKA or PSA GF5? Same light weight gun, less $$$??
@@sarge12212if I want a gun that heavy I’ll grab my much nicer milled Arsenal instead of a stamped gun with the weight of a milled one. Being that heavy it removes the only benefit of a stamped gun over milled.
You can totally tell that your a huge fan boy of the Jack, you were saying that every single thing about the jack was better, and that's not the case, like with the mags and bolt hold open etc, I like the jack but the zpap is equally as good and even better in some areas. Good thorough review but I feel it is quite biased in favor of the jack.
After owning many ak,s including several m70 s when purchasing it's best if you have a few to choose from. Alot of quality issues is due to the armorer that actually assembled the rifle at the factory. If you check a batch of brand new rifles same manufacturer you'll find that the quality varies. Always tear down an ak when purchasing and inspect if they have 3 for sale inspect all 3 you'll see a difference between builds. Obviously pick the best one
That "READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE" stamped into the side of the receiver in big billboard font just kills the Zastava for me. I would've bought one if it wasn't for that. Real shame.
I don't get the idea on the mags wiggling. My thought process while fighting in the jungles and mountains, rain or shine, the firearm must shoot regardless the pros and cons. I don't have the luxury of time to admire the looks. I was 110 lbs. carrying a M1 Carbine or a Garand and a typewritten. We don't have laptops during those times to right manifestos. I ordered a polymer ZPAPM90 just waiting to be delivered. Wood Furnitures are good/classic, but with my experience I have to adapt the rotten wood in my rifle.
I got both. Every single muzzle device will not line up with the notches on the aftermarket muzzle devices. Gotta file them down and it's a massive PITA. to get the muzzle devices tight.
Wait after reviewing this video...the buttstock on the jack is not seated fully .nor the end plate....the z pap is blued .the jack is painted .just some things I noticed
@@tennesseepatriot4360 I wondered the same thing before I saw his video. All of the WBPs look the same. Would be an easy fix, but was leaving it as is because of Rob.
The front sight block on the AKM is, well AKM . On the Serb it’s AK47.. if they would have left the notches on the bottom you could have used an ak47 bayonet. The Jack gas block is standard AKM and the Serb uses an ak47 gas block… edit: 10:54 the AKM bayonet locks on the gas block, the AK47 does not. The bayonet latches on the bottom of the the front sight block on the type 2 and 3 AK47’s. The type 1 didn’t get a bayonet.
Let me get this straight! The jack looks better but the zpap shoots better, is built heavy duty with 1.5 mill. Receiver and has a bulge trunion , yet you picked the jack? Which has none of those features!
ZPAP has less recoil due to the weight, hence shooting softer. The other items you listed were not pluses or minuses, just differences. Once you change the muzzle break, the felt recoil is about the same. As mentioned in the video, this is just my observations and opinion, your milage may vary.
The stock to receiver fitment of the Jack sucks compared to the Zastava. Big ugly gap between wood and receiver. The front sight base of the Zastava should be far better centered up like the Jack is. That sucks, unless one elects to run an optic. The thicker heavier more steeply curved charging handle of the Zastava is a plus over the Jack charging handle. I prefer the double hook trigger of the Zastava to the single hook of the Jack. Either rifle would be a great choice based on personal preferences.
@@MrMravery I find that odd since neither the Zastava nor any other AK with wood stock I have or have seen comes with such an unsightly gap. I know that is true with regards to the milled slot in the wood for the tang but never heard such nonsense about the ugly receiver/stock gap.
The Jack is very similar to Century wasr cheaply made and overpriced nothing is wrong with the Zpap it seems like you were being very bias because the Jack is your favorite. Everything that you compared was similar with no difference both great guns only difference is weight, hand guard length, width of the receivers and bayonet lug
The WBP is absolutely not cheaply made nor overpriced. Well, at least now, in the current market. You could say ALL AK's are overpriced. The WBP has a better finish and action, better than all the Arsenals.
The pap in opinion is a shit tier AKM. But it was priced right in that range with AK novices though they were getting a deal. There’s almost no after market parts compatibility. And the fit and finish belongs to the 90’s as far as quality. The bulged trunnion offers nothing besides unneeded weight. The irregular furniture is a constant hassle. Had the PAP owners showed a bit of self control they could’ve gotten a better rifle in the Jack or Fox. Many of them will walk away thinking all AK’s are as equally as shitty as their pap.
The WBP Jack blows the Zpap out of the water. The finishing on the materials alone are much higher quality. Not to mention the FB Radom chrome lined barrel. The worst thing about the Zpap "Read owners manual before operating" stamped on the side 😂
The $500-600 more for the WBP does blow the ZPAP out of the water. You can get an arsenal (factory) produced AK for less than a commercial. The finish on an AK is a second thought. Traditionally, the owners manual stuff isn't mechanical. Usually, people complain about other stuff that doesn't matter. For instance, wobbly gas tube, bolt carrier getting stuck on hammer (reason is we don't have the fun parts), and bolt carrier peening (easy fix). After building several AKs, the WBP is not $500-600 better. If they were the same price, there would be an argument.
@@huRlrnd3lders5 - 6 hundred more? Is that a joke? They cost the same exact price! Did I also mention that the Zpap weighs three pounds more than the WBP? Try carrying the rifle all day and see how that goes. The Zpap doesn't even have pinned furniture. The tooling and finish looks like it was made in a cave with half assed machining.
@@LosDoyerss at the time I wrote this they were that more expensive. Not a joke. There's been an export ban on Zastavas for a few months now. Do the research first bud. You are missing a lot. Testosterone allows me to carry mine.
Who gives a shit about aftermarket upgrades on an Ak? The only thing is I am older and heavier sucks for me. Actually, the WMP is only a couple hundred more if you get it on sale. I’ve decided on the m70 Magpul version. $999 because trying to figure out what a AR to buy It’s just been too confusin. so my first battle rifle will be the zatava pushka 🫡🇺🇸
"READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE"
If that's standard on the PAP, that rifle just died for me. I really don't like being called an idiot every time I look at my gun. Especially ridiculous on an AK.
Anyway, really nice, detailed video.
Thank you and yes, I agree. Welcome to the legal liability laws of the US. Same as "don't put feet under lawnmower while running " mindset.
Glad you enjoyed the video.
Standard AK parts, Standard AK furniture. That's why I own the WBP. One of my favorite guns that I own.
Update 8/13/22: Now I have two =)
LOVE my WBP! I looked and handled both....the WBP choice was a no brainer. Polish built all day long!!
WBP jack on the way got the last one I think 👀
@@sunnycat69 which did you pick up? I grabbed the Russian Sunburst furniture and am currently waiting on my state's 10 day waiting period. I'm tempted to also get a 556 Jack since they restocked, but I just don't have the money right now
The WBP Jack appears to be of excellent quality.I own two milled arsinal ak rifles both 100% reliable.
@@whiterabbit201 i hate that these are so expensive now. not like i could afford the ammo anyway
Wow this was a very in depth summary which is exactly what I was looking for, in fact more so! Thank you for taking the time to go through it all. It's not quite a WBP Fox but other than the Beryl Rear Trunnion they're identical so I could get a good idea of what to expect from my Fox purchase. Thank you!
You are very welcome!
the jack is sweet, but the zastava is a wasr killer. its the same price range as a wasr, was MUCH more available during 2020-2021. significantly better quality. and excellent marketing from Zastava USA
He favors the FOX yet his arguement inspired me to buy the ZPAP with the red furniture.
Got my ZPAP in like April and...kind of love the thing. If the Jack had been out back then, I might have had a more difficult choice, just for furniture compatibility.
But the M70 is just great. Robust thing. A hefty girl, but pleasant to shoot and most of my mags fit pretty tightly- Bulgarian polymer, FAB polymer (required some filing), PSA waffle polymer, and Zastava's polymer bho all fit quite snugly. The Zastava steel and some cheap KCI too.
M70 is a beast.. heavier cause its built like a tank.. I love my zpap.
The m70 gives you a special kind of confidence with the weight and rigidity. Not to mention it naturally shoots soft because of its thickness.
Amazing comparison! Appreciate the video and your time in making it! Very informative!
Thank you for the reply. Hope to have more videos coming soon.
I have both guns. I think the WPB is a little more upscale than the M70. Both nice guns. If I had to carry the gun all day I would go with lighter WBP. I think the M70 looks better and maybe a little more solid construction. I like the battle worn finish M70 Zastava just came out with.
I wished I would of gotten the mini jack with the brace before all the ATF brace b.s.
Yes, that battlefield version is awesome!
ZPAP, more robust for the price. Heavier Barrel, 1.5mm thick receiver, bulged RPK Trunion. All for 900 to 1100 bucks. Is it heavier, yes but in a good way. Both are good guns but the ZPAP is clearly better. The other is closer tp the newer Romanion builds. Also regardless of what anyone says. The best AK is the Fime VEPR. What is that one? Heavy barrel, 1.5mm reciever, bulged trunion. Only real difference is the furniture compatability. Thats similar to the ZPAP
I subbed immediately after noticing you muted the bolt slam twice on the Croatian mag. Great details and presentation.
Thank you!
I'm definitely choosing zpap. It's built like a tank.
Yes it is!
I honestly prefer the longer hand guard on the Zpap. I realize it’s only an inch longer but I feel like it makes a difference when handling and I don’t even have big hands. I agree it being a tank. When you pick it up all you can think of is “serious business” lol
@@KennethSchmitt agreed... it's a tank for sure!
Both beautiful weapons! That tiger grain on the Zastava is beautiful!
It certainly is. Someone with more woodworking skill than I have could make it look even better.
It’s hard to compare these two. The Zpap was Yugoslavias version of the akm. Yes they’re both in the AK family but one is made commercially and the other is made in a military factory. One is pretty and clean cut and the other is robust and originally, still is, made for war (not that they’d say no to consumer sales) see where I’m going with this?
Regardless both are good quality and shoot well it’s all what you want out of the platform 👍
@@StaccatoXC im looking at my comment and I don’t see where I said you can’t use a WBP for a go to war gun so you might want to be careful for accusations your making before you embarrass yourself publicly. Anyone can use any gun for war that’s on you. The M70 is built FOR war and has military contracts across multiple nations. You do realize WBP is an assembler they don’t even make most of their parts right? They’re both great guns im simply stating fact. Civilian is WBPs market. Doesn’t make them a bad gun. Don’t be so sensitive it’ll be okay. You can use a 5 shot revolver as your go to war weapon for all I care.
You’re absolutely right I’m looking to buy my first battle weapon type rifle and if it’s not war ready then WTF would I want it for. we’re all preparing for some catastrophe aren’t we?… if the zatava is a better war weapon than it’s just better AK period. This Actually settled it for me. My next gun is the ZPAP M70 Magpul version. Btw, if I’m going to use a five shot revolver, in a war, I want the best one lol thanks man.
@@samchristo1745 your gonna love it. It’s beefy. Put a drum mag on it and a tripod attachment and with that bulged trunnion you got yourself a mini RPK!
Ive owned both and the wbp jack is slighty better in every category. That being said, i use the zpap more. Feels like i can use it as a club if i need to. The correct option here is to own both.
Exactly!!
Great video,I Like the Jack because it takes standard Ak furniture.I believe you couldn't go wrong with either one in a SHTF scenario.
Jack is better because of the weight difference.
I know they usually come that way but the wood to steel fitting on the jack has so much of gap that a dollar coin would fit in there. It's so ugly. Zpap looks perfect on that aspect.
Thanks for the review! Pretty sure the slant brake on your Jack is non-conforming because it is vertical up at 90 degrees and shouldn't be. Nothing against the WBP Jack as it is only an inexpensive 922r part that was slapped on it upon import, but your impression of the rifle will be a bit better once you either get a better slant brake or use something else (my personal favorite is the Midwest Industries brake).
Actually, it's just the angle of the video. Pulled it out last night and confirmed, same angle as the ZPAP break.
ZPAP all the way.
The jack seems to be significantly better man. Weight wise alone.
The Jack is made much better than the Zpap. The Zpap is a fake AK.
One is Commercial and the other is made in a military factory.
Zpap for me anyday
@@CloogMarg-vw5kkI hear some people like the weight because it keeps the recoil in check
I got the WBP FOX n the Zastava ZPAP both great AKs I luv AKs period got a few of them I installed ALG trigger a ATI pistol grip n a BD2 muzzle break on all my AKs 😊 zastava is heavier with that 1.5 stamp receiver both great imports 🤙🏽
Ty for making this video. I have a zpap and really want a Jack for the lighter weight.
You're welcome!
Great Video , Super good info !!
Thank you Carl...
The zpap is blued rifle finish
Without a doubt, my WBP Fox has the best 'action' and finish of any AK I own. It is not the most precise, but it is very good. Zpap's are heavy duty and good too, but I definitely prefer the WBP.
If M70 is heavy go to gym or get a Glock 😂
People over exaggerate the m70s weight. People have ARs with so much shit on it and they weigh just as much.
They are both nice but the gaps between the furniture and the metal on the Jack just bothers me.
Rob over at AK Operators Union Local 47-74 covered that. That is actually by design as it protects the stock from splitting.
I did not know that. Thanks,@@MrMravery
Thank you for your video !! Its verry detailed and informative .I own a ZPAP M70 and was wondering if the dust cover on the Jack thunderdome is compatable and will fit on the Zpap ?
The bigger problem at this time is what you can find. Whether or not they get another weapons ban passed is questionable, but if you want eight one, availability is becoming the issue.
Go hike / march 25 miles with the AKM style rifle, such as the Jack. And march with the ZPAP you will definitely feel the difference afterwards. Polish Jack AK will be handy in a apocalypse. ZPAP seems to be a great collectors piece and range gun. That’s just my opinion though.
Yeah, the WBP is lighter and nicer to carry, but people have been carrying the m70 for a long time. They are just in better shape.
The fit and finish of the WBP is second to none on AKs.
If I had one for the rest of my life, it would be the ZPAP. It's a tank and built like a light machine gun. Although I can't take anything from the WBP.
Most battle rifles are heavy. The HK Mr556A1 is their basic AR and it weighs as much as the Zpap. Not that the jack wouldn’t survive one but it’s not built for one. Not to mention their entire brand are built like brick shithouses it’s they’re thing.
@@huRlrnd3lders Both will outlast us and will last generations to come. Reason why Zastava has a 1.5mm receiver is because it’s mean’t shoot grenade launchers from its barrel. AKM, AK-103, and AK-74 can use, 40mm GP- under barrel grenade launchers mounted under the hang guard. Huge reason why former Yugoslav countries prefer to use the standard AK’s that I just mention. Not taking anything from Zastava, it can still be seen in conflicts around the world. And in the civilian market we won’t be using grenade launchers either, Hahaa. Although, you can’t go wrong with a Wasr 10 either. Century arms fixed the negatives of those rifles sometime ago.
@@KennethSchmitt AR-15 / M4a1 can be as heavy as an AKM when added with attachments. Although, Zastava is a pound or two heavier than a standard AKM and AR-15. Especially heavier when added with attachments. Not taking anything away from Zastava, it’s proven as it’s still seen in conflicts around the world.
@Zorro69 Yes, I know the history and why. I'm a builder. It's still a tank and harder to bend, dent, or destroy. At the price point, zastava can not be beat. I still would rather have a legendary factory build my firearm when it comes to imports.
The z pap has the original trigger hammer...no high rise hump for bolt to ride on and hammer the end
So does the Jack if bought from Atlantic
where did you buy that pistol grip for the jack??
mokasraifus.com/ has an excellent supply of grips and other parts, magazines etc.
I think both guns are made extremely well. I don't own a Jack but from what I've gathered online it's the newest edition of great AK's to buy on the American market. BUT assuming it's as good as the M70 and as tough. I still got to say Zastava wins due to the ease of takedown alone. The Jack gets credit for accessory compatibility, but I think that's irrelevant, because most people tend to leave their AK's plain jane anyways Even with dealing with an AKM you still got to be careful cause not all AKM parts fit all AKM's.
Also, I think your Zastava having so much play is coincidental. Mine does not have that much play with any of my magazines. Even the cheap surplus steel magazines fit pretty solid, are more comparable to what your Jack is doing for me. I think they cut your magazine well a hair wider. I also like to add that the Jack cost about 500 bucks more than the Zastava. So is it worth it. The way I see it, if you're going to spend 1500 bucks on an AK you might as well spend the extra 500 on an arsenal. At least the Zastava you can find for an even thousand-dollar price tag. Just my opinion. I like the WBP too and think it's a great AK but for 1500 bucks it better be.
The jacks only $100 more and you get a bayonet lug and a trapdoor in the stock
You magwell is cut different is another sign of the loose tolerances that Zastava has at their factory. I don't know where you are getting your prices but you might want to look around a bit for a better deal on prices. The cost differences are minimal and you get what you pay for.
@@whiterabbit201 well Ill have you know sir lol
That I have 2 Zastavas now and neither of them have loose tolerances on the mags. So for me 2/2 have been extremely well fit.
Bad eggs are out there. Im not saying Zastava can do no wrong, in fact I got a bit of minor beef with them over the cheapness of the accessories they rebrand from UTG. Im just saying brotato, you probably just got a bad egg. It happens with everyone, even arsenal.
I’d never buy a pap and I don’t leave my AK’s stock.
Very good review very nice rifles and I think I like the jack more but I like folding stocks and poly.
Thank you. The Jack would look awesome with the folder!
@@MrMravery I could not understand the name of the brake you got,getting old,so what was the name of it?Thanks.
@@kygent508 Naw, you're not old, I probably mumbling LOL.
I use two, both are excellent. The Meridian Defense BD2-AK is one and the other is the VG6 Epsilon AK Muzzle Brake. Can't go wrong with either.
I wanna see a detailed comparison like this between psa gg5 or ake and one of these
I also would take the jack . The ZPAP is a good rifle but I think the jack has more time put into it . Thank you for the nice close up comparison.
You are welcome, Thank you! I try to make videos to answer questions that I have/had :)
I noticed and it's not a big deal but my m70 was zeroed out of the box, but no dice for the jack. Also maybe a touch more recoil from the jack, I'm sure a better muzzle break would help with that
My Jack shoots a bit high and to the left. I put a 74 style break on it and its recoiling beautifully
@@Zambezi_ comparatively speaking since the m70 has a thicker barrel and receiver it absorbs recoil a little more, it's not like the jack is a 12 gauge by any means. But the jack is like 7 pounds and the m70 is 9ish, I like the trap door on the jack too
@@mattgeiger9988 oh I just mean my sights are misaligned a tad
I’d pick the Zpap any day you can tell just by looking at it that it’s a better built rifle I have no doubt the jack can handle whatever you throw at it too but there’s just something about that robustness from the heavier barrel gas block and sight post and bulged trunnion
Why have one when you could have both!
It’s much heavier
I got the WASER 10 ,WBP FOX, M70 ZPAP all great AKs depending on what n were u gonna use them i did a rifle training course for a weekend almost 11 hours total I took my ZPAP after 3 hours my ass went back to my truck n grabbed my WASER 10 n finished day one wit a smile the second day took my WBP FOX 🦊 finished the day wit a smile my point it’s a heavy AK it’s manageable but if u running doing a lot of drills u gonna fill it for real I’m 200 pounds n in shape been doing boxing,wrestling n jujitsu for years I’m n instructor people don’t understand unless they ever did any type of field terrain rifle training I luv my ZPAP for home defense or range 🤷🏽♂️ shit even my PSA GF3 is fun n 💡🤣🎯🤙🏽
I own both and I agree WBP is the better over all qaulity plus weight reduction.
When I say qaulity i mean extra machining not necessarily functionality.
I would say Jack wins in my book just Weigh reduction alone.
It's lower in weight because the ZPAP has a bulged trunnion, thicker receiver and a heavier duty gas block and barrel, the profile of a ZPAP barrel (in regards to thickness) is similar in comparison to an RPK.
@@gunnerjr3396all that for what? The bulged trunnion makes the pap heavy for zero for added benefit. It’s a crappy designed rifle
@@jamesray1439they are built that way because it would frequently feature an attached grenade launcher. It’s been featured in a lot of wars and built for longevity
@@KennethSchmitt while I think you should be able to purchase rifle grenades. How does that make sense on a rifle built for the civilian market? Like I said, the bulged trunnion serves zero purpose on a civilian rifle. It’s heavier for literally no added benefit. Point proven.
@@jamesray1439 might help with muzzle rise but your right. Weight won’t stop everyone from buying it though. Some people love utilitarian and rugged pieces. The Mossberg 590A1 has a crazy thick heavy barrel cuz the navy and the marines slam it around in armored vehicles and in hatches and people pay the extra money for it even though they don’t need it.
thinking the WBP for me but that m70 is tempting rn
I think you'll be happy with either one.
Thank you this was a very thorough video and provided a lot of detail. I do have a question with the Jack is appears that a lot of the furniture was not fully seated in the frame as you could see ridges around the stock and handguards is that the way it is supposed to be or had you taken them off and just had not fully seated them. I am assuming that is the way it is supposed to be but that seems like a design issue as it looks like areas for water and dirt to enter the receiver.
Hi Mark. It came that way and I also thought it was a furniture issue. However, if you watch Union 47 74 channel (he is the resident expert on AKs) he states that they are made that way to keep them from splitting. All the Jacks and other AKMs I've seen also have that gap.
@@MrMravery Hi Mark, thank you for the quick reply and that is good to know. I am familiar with AK Operations Union videos and yes he is very knowledgeable. Glad to know that is designed that way for a reason and not just improperly carved stock. Thanks again for the great video so now I am considering the 16" Jack vs the mini jack with the milled receiver.
I went to the Atlantic Firearms site and viewed the photos of four Jacks they had pictured. All four were fully seated stocks. No space. 🤷♂️
My furniture was also poorly fit, I sanded down the buttstock to make it flush at shoulder left the space at receiver. I think the rifles assembled in US are more loose and stocks are dry vs the WBP factory assembled in Poland
looking to buy my first ak, and right now it seems to be a toss up between the zpap and the jack. the zpap makes more sense price wise, especially given the extra fees for shipping, taxes, and paperwork, as well as compliance work (mag will need to be pinned to 10 and the break will at minimum need to be pinned & welded) but some of the non-standard parts might be an issue later on if I decide I want to customize it, and it seems the build quality is a bit shoddy, not sure if that extra weight is good thing or a bad thing, since my main complaint with all of the other AK's ive looked at in stores is that they feel flimsy like a toy, but who knows maybe thats just a thing with stamped guns and a milled gun would be more to my liking, also could've just been the plastic furniture as well. the jack seems to be built a bit better, but aesthetically isnt as nice in some ways, and tho the price isnt that much higher than the zpap, that still raises the overall cost, plus it has a bayonet lug that would need to be ground off in order to be compliant.
also im assuming WBP is a federally registered manufacturer like zastava is as thanks to a new dumbass law passed here in NJ last year, all firearms must have a serial # and it must have been put there by a federally registered maker or it's considered to be a "ghost gun" and illegal.
was gonna go with the zpap since I have a yugo sks and that thing is a beauty, but right now I think i'm leaning more toward the jack.
Personally, I think the WBP is the best of the two, but that is just my opinion.
@@MrMravery I think i'm going to go with the jack, particularly since a couple places have them for sale at around the same price as what I'd get the yugo one for, just gonna have to sort out the details regarding compliance work and such.
They’re both great. I kinda prefer the m70 the recoil is way softer. People tend to over exaggerate the weight and the “lack of parts” it weighs just as much as a decked out AR or most battle build rifles (HK MR556A1). Khyber customs literally has everything you would need for the Yugo from improved safeties to modern furniture etc.
It is built like a brick shithouse and I love it for that reason.
Just bought a nice Jack today. Pricey but it felt the best of all the ones I shouldered.
Congrats, you will love it.. it's a great rifle.
How much did you pay?
@@lennylemens $1600, worth every penny
@@dougi1967- where? They are on sale for starting 999-1150. For 5.56.
Very comprehensive review. Can you advise which Handguard gets hotter?
Neither was that noticeable, but if I had to pick one, I'd say the ZPAP was warmer.
@@MrMravery Thanks, I'm sold on the Jack now
I know this is not a newer video, but would you choose the M70 or the Jack for approximately $350 more?
You mean the Jack for $350 more than the M70?
If so, perhaps not.
@MrMravery Yes, I can buy an M70 for $896 but the Jack would be an additional $358 (before tax).
@@Sirgromulus Seems high for the Jack... ultimately you'll have both LOL...
@MrMravery LOL. The Jack is $1149 but I included the additional $30 shipping charge along with the extra $75 transfer fee my LGS charges. You may very well be right about owning both, especially if "cheap " ammo is still available. Heck, I remember paying $2 for a box of 20 for steel case back in the early nineties!
Thanks for the feedback!
Get the Zpap. The jack is nice but the Zpap is made in a military factory with original trigger.
Both works good. But Polich guns have really good quality
I've been very happy with the Jack, great quality.
Where did u get the polish fat grip?
Came from mokasraifus.com/
I have the Jack and love it but that ZPAP looks nice and I need to get one. The advantage I would give to the Jack over the ZPAP is the Jack has that cool Polish logo on the side.
Has Zastava fixed, or addressed their issues with QC. I've seen numerous videos, and pictures of the m70 having cracked recievers, broken bolt carriers, problems with metallurgy, etc. I'm considering getting an m70 in Serbian red, but I'm kind of hesitant now with what I've seen. I'm starting to lean more towards getting a WBP Jack instead.
Good question! I know when Battlefield Las Vegas did a review on their AK rifles that they put through tens of thousands of rounds the Zastavas faired not so well while Milled and Romanian rifles were some of the best
I haven’t put enough rounds threw mine to have an issue. But recently I did see a carrier brake after about 2-3k rounds. Broke in the rear where it holds the bolt. Supposed to be cylindrical but zastavas is more slanted in shape.
You left out a very important fact , ( prices ) I’m pretty sure the Jack is several hundred more than the M70 . Budget is a big determining fact for a lot of people when buying . When I bought my ZPAP , you couldn’t find a Jack anywhere , another thing you forgot to mention while talking about the fire control parts was the fact of a Sheppard’s hook v’s a retainer plate on the guns . At the time I purchased my gun , if theJack was available I would have bought one . For the price , I think my ZPAP is a great gun , but I would prefer the lighter gun , & the fact that you can change out furniture so easy , but unless I sold my ZPAP to buy a Jack , I’ll just have to stick with what I have . With that said , I did take my ZPAP AK47 & my Palmetto 105 AK74 to the range yesterday & remembered that , I love shooting my ZPAP
What parts of a jack are cast vs forged ?
Gas block and front sight post.
I own both and I can say that both rifles are great and will not give you problems and will do everything you ask of them. Although if I had to choose I would go with the Jack because it’s lighter and I find the palm swells more comfortable in my hand.
I agree 100%
Aside from showing you the last round has been ejected, what is the purpose of the bolt hold open considering the bolt slides back into place as soon as the magazine is removed? Educate me.
You nailed it. :)
Curious as to why you didn't go into more detail on the ZPAP's dust cover button release. Very easy to reinstall the cover with this feature. By the way, are you using a shepards hook or something like a Krebs retaining plate for the axis pins? Nice review on both. Palm mags with steel lugs are the bomb but don't expect them to fit into Arsenal milled receivers. Word of advice for new ZPAP owners....make sure to Loktite the long bolt that secures the stock to the rear trunnion. They're known to wobble loose if not Loktited.
Zpap by far superior with the 1.5 steel . Very heavy duty
Exactly. Jack is a great rifle and it may be “prettier” no doubt but in the end; thicker heavier build, built for war, softer shooting wins.
I'm not sure if I would say the zpap BCG is in the raw as it is nickel molybdenum plated
Yes, thank you for the clarification!
I like both a lot but prefer the pap
Zesty Boys will get mad... but I have a mini jack and it's my favorite compared to my ARs and other toys
I love my m70... damn near a perfect AKM...but the WBP Jack is just as nice, maybe a little nicer.
Yeah not as beefy
Jack cost about 500 to 600 more in my area now.
Check your internet retailers. That sounds way to high of a difference.
Perfect you have the only 2 oil/cleaning products worth using ballistol and Slip2000
I own both the jack is a better gun to me. But hey everyone has their own opinion on it.
The M70 (& zpap m70) has the ability to eject a chambered round while the selector is in the safe position. With the Akm (& jack akm) you have to take it off safe to eject a chambered round.
For My first ak i went with the jack.
Excellent choice, congratulations!
The Yugo can eject a chambered round when the safety is on. Probably explains the shorter safety selector.
There is only Zastava.
I'll get my Jack in 2 months, can't really wait to get it
You're gonna love it!!
@@MrMravery definitely, got my hands on that beauty a couple days ago, finish and quality are awesome. Also it feels very lightweight in my opinion. Sadly to restrictions and high ammo prices in my country I can only get the jack in .223 , 7.62x39 is only allowed for hunters and collectors 😂🤦♂️(no sense at all). I'll be doing some kinda tactical AK build with it, it's gonna be great. best regards from Germany very nice comparison 👍
@@supersixx9916 Thank you and enjoy!!
I love any ak47
Great video. To me the jack is PERFECT. But it doesn't justify being 400 more than a wasr 10. In fact the wasr is built in a war factory next to military guns. The zpap on the other hand is priced in between but is yugo pattern. 1.5mm , buldged trunnion, heavy ak47 barrel.
Jack even has the bayonet lug intact.
@@stoegerstewie8351 so does the wasr10. Only ban state models don't
Kope
@Sunny cat 85 I have all three you loser! That's how I know the jack doesn't justify its price.
The Jack has a nickle coated bolt carrier, not raw.
Wbp has made statements there not doin high numbers to get better quality were zastava is pumping them out without bayo lugs and grenade sights and raw metal in places jack with no rail all day 💯💪
ZPAP M70 is my next rifle purchase. Heavier build wins every day. 😎👌
Literally, the opposite of what the Russians did, the lighter akm does everything the heavier ak does but is way lighter. I have both, the zpap is stupid heavy compared to the jack.
@@xxdizannyxx OK. So you paid $150-200 more for a lesser built gun, but with a better paint job. Got it! Why didn't you just buy a WASR10, VSKA or PSA GF5? Same light weight gun, less $$$??
@@sarge12212if I want a gun that heavy I’ll grab my much nicer milled Arsenal instead of a stamped gun with the weight of a milled one. Being that heavy it removes the only benefit of a stamped gun over milled.
@@Stranger_Jarn I copy. You are willing to spend more money to make up for your weeny arms, roger that, lol. 😆
@@sarge12212 I have a milled Arsenal, a zpap, and an fb Radom beryl… but ok lol.
You can totally tell that your a huge fan boy of the Jack, you were saying that every single thing about the jack was better, and that's not the case, like with the mags and bolt hold open etc, I like the jack but the zpap is equally as good and even better in some areas. Good thorough review but I feel it is quite biased in favor of the jack.
I thought the same. Especially how the m70 has been battle proven for decades.
If you can’t Carry the m70 it means you just need to lift some weights
"read owner's manual before use"? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Zpap all day
Second!!
After owning many ak,s including several m70 s when purchasing it's best if you have a few to choose from. Alot of quality issues is due to the armorer that actually assembled the rifle at the factory. If you check a batch of brand new rifles same manufacturer you'll find that the quality varies. Always tear down an ak when purchasing and inspect if they have 3 for sale inspect all 3 you'll see a difference between builds. Obviously pick the best one
100%
That "READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USE" stamped into the side of the receiver in big billboard font just kills the Zastava for me. I would've bought one if it wasn't for that. Real shame.
Boo Hoo
It's more like a meme for me of anything. Like slapping a hello kitty sticker on a grenade
I don't get the idea on the mags wiggling. My thought process while fighting in the jungles and mountains, rain or shine, the firearm must shoot regardless the pros and cons. I don't have the luxury of time to admire the looks. I was 110 lbs. carrying a M1 Carbine or a Garand and a typewritten. We don't have laptops during those times to right manifestos. I ordered a polymer ZPAPM90 just waiting to be delivered. Wood Furnitures are good/classic, but with my experience I have to adapt the rotten wood in my rifle.
ZPAP ALL DAY
I got both. Every single muzzle device will not line up with the notches on the aftermarket muzzle devices. Gotta file them down and it's a massive PITA. to get the muzzle devices tight.
AK devices don't need to the tight (like a AR) , as that is the reason for the locking post. As long as that is engaged, you are good to go.
No need to file or use a crush washer... That's what the detent is for, to index and prevent loosing.
No need to have some perfect flush tight muzzle. A little wobble is fine.
Lol do you evan ak bro
Zpap
Wait after reviewing this video...the buttstock on the jack is not seated fully .nor the end plate....the z pap is blued .the jack is painted .just some things I noticed
According to Rob Ski at AK47 74 union, they are supposed to fit that way. If they were flush, you run a risk of splitting the wood.
@@MrMravery he is a name I trust .....but almost all I've seen are flush....love operator union
@@tennesseepatriot4360 I wondered the same thing before I saw his video. All of the WBPs look the same. Would be an easy fix, but was leaving it as is because of Rob.
The front sight block on the AKM is, well AKM . On the Serb it’s AK47.. if they would have left the notches on the bottom you could have used an ak47 bayonet. The Jack gas block is standard AKM and the Serb uses an ak47 gas block… edit: 10:54 the AKM bayonet locks on the gas block, the AK47 does not. The bayonet latches on the bottom of the the front sight block on the type 2 and 3 AK47’s. The type 1 didn’t get a bayonet.
Let me get this straight! The jack looks better but the zpap shoots better, is built heavy duty with 1.5 mill. Receiver and has a bulge trunion , yet you picked the jack? Which has none of those features!
ZPAP has less recoil due to the weight, hence shooting softer. The other items you listed were not pluses or minuses, just differences. Once you change the muzzle break, the felt recoil is about the same.
As mentioned in the video, this is just my observations and opinion, your milage may vary.
Go Jack go
The stock to receiver fitment of the Jack sucks compared to the Zastava. Big ugly gap between wood and receiver. The front sight base of the Zastava should be far better centered up like the Jack is. That sucks, unless one elects to run an optic. The thicker heavier more steeply curved charging handle of the Zastava is a plus over the Jack charging handle. I prefer the double hook trigger of the Zastava to the single hook of the Jack. Either rifle would be a great choice based on personal preferences.
The stock fitment on the Jack is designed that way. If it was flush, you run the risk of splitting the wood.
@@MrMravery I find that odd since neither the Zastava nor any other AK with wood stock I have or have seen comes with such an unsightly gap. I know that is true with regards to the milled slot in the wood for the tang but never heard such nonsense about the ugly receiver/stock gap.
@@d30gaijin I'm just going with what Rob and AK Operators Union stated in a video a while back. This is what he stated.
@@d30gaijin he is correct, this is very normal. If you don't like it, dremel and fit.
@@nsjohn130 Damn sure not going to take a Dremel to a rifle that should have been built correctly in the first place.
The zpap is the absolutely superior ak.
No it’s not tho
Do u have both? No u own a zastava and ur biased
@@markpetela5286 buy whatever you want idgaf its your money. I have saigas and and vz58s in my safe.
Pap all day
That looks like a wbp fox instead of a jack
Nope, it's a Jack, no beryl mount.
The Jack is very similar to Century wasr cheaply made and overpriced nothing is wrong with the Zpap it seems like you were being very bias because the Jack is your favorite. Everything that you compared was similar with no difference both great guns only difference is weight, hand guard length, width of the receivers and bayonet lug
how is it similar?
The WBP is absolutely not cheaply made nor overpriced. Well, at least now, in the current market. You could say ALL AK's are overpriced. The WBP has a better finish and action, better than all the Arsenals.
😅😅😅
First 😁
jack all day long, zastava is junk
Not hardly
prefer jack, but zastava is far from junk. and unlike the jack it actually has a military track record
Why is it junk?
@@__Ryan_ its not
Not true brother
The pap in opinion is a shit tier AKM. But it was priced right in that range with AK novices though they were getting a deal. There’s almost no after market parts compatibility. And the fit and finish belongs to the 90’s as far as quality. The bulged trunnion offers nothing besides unneeded weight. The irregular furniture is a constant hassle. Had the PAP owners showed a bit of self control they could’ve gotten a better rifle in the Jack or Fox. Many of them will walk away thinking all AK’s are as equally as shitty as their pap.
The WBP Jack blows the Zpap out of the water. The finishing on the materials alone are much higher quality. Not to mention the FB Radom chrome lined barrel.
The worst thing about the Zpap "Read owners manual before operating" stamped on the side 😂
The $500-600 more for the WBP does blow the ZPAP out of the water. You can get an arsenal (factory) produced AK for less than a commercial.
The finish on an AK is a second thought. Traditionally, the owners manual stuff isn't mechanical.
Usually, people complain about other stuff that doesn't matter. For instance, wobbly gas tube, bolt carrier getting stuck on hammer (reason is we don't have the fun parts), and bolt carrier peening (easy fix).
After building several AKs, the WBP is not $500-600 better. If they were the same price, there would be an argument.
@@huRlrnd3lders5 - 6 hundred more? Is that a joke? They cost the same exact price! Did I also mention that the Zpap weighs three pounds more than the WBP? Try carrying the rifle all day and see how that goes. The Zpap doesn't even have pinned furniture. The tooling and finish looks like it was made in a cave with half assed machining.
@@LosDoyerss at the time I wrote this they were that more expensive. Not a joke. There's been an export ban on Zastavas for a few months now. Do the research first bud.
You are missing a lot.
Testosterone allows me to carry mine.
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Who gives a shit about aftermarket upgrades on an Ak? The only thing is I am older and heavier sucks for me. Actually, the WMP is only a couple hundred more if you get it on sale. I’ve decided on the m70 Magpul version. $999 because trying to figure out what a AR to buy It’s just been too confusin. so my first battle rifle will be the zatava pushka 🫡🇺🇸