The SV era has been amazing for singles buyers imo. The investor bros can't make many plays on singles, so the players/singles buyers can easily afford the cards they want. Hype diminishing due to investor bros losing interest is healthy for the true fans.
@ahmadayoub94 L take.. just cause there's no $400 card right off the bat doesn't mean they are worthless. There's still plenty of value in these newer sets. He'll 151 is above $800 for a master and will hold that for a good time. Maybe dip to 700ish then in a few years gradually appreciate. Next predicted boom will be around the 30th anniversary.
I've been a true fan for a long time and seeing scalpers suffer is quite fun to be honest. Some cards from SWSH which are elusive have their prices dropping and the true fans are going mental.
@@NovaMaster375 Amen to that. If you live by the stocks, eventually you’ll be put in them. I was able to make 3 decks in a few days that, while yes, totaled quite a penny, were at a *fraction* of what they’d be if I tried getting them from packs, or when they were hot options. I shudder to think about the price of Scizor VMAX or Zekrom and Pikachu when they first dropped~
@@PixiemonCardssame here. I see it as an art collection that I’m collecting. That also opens me to Japanese cards which are often much cheaper at least in the vintage market.
I think that most people in the hobby (collectors and players) are happy with the changes overall, more singles are being sold thanks to the better pull rate and affordable prices. The only people these changes annoy are the "investors" who want to pull chase cards just to flip them for money and the content creators who rely on chase cards being rarer and more expensive to generate greater interest for their booster packs/boxes opening videos.
a lot of us got out our childhood collection and the original 151 are the ones we knew as kids. So its like collecting the 1st editions again for us i think. It really is better as a hobby than an investment.
Even though it's sad that collecting Pokémon cards isn't as popular anymore, I think it's a win for the real fans or people trying to get into the TCG!
It is absolutely 100% collectors' fault that the market is dropping. So many people played the TCG. A lot of them quit because of scummy collectors raising the prices to unreasonable heights. A lot of these cards are not worth their value. I would even say most are not even collectible. During the COVID pandemic, cards were being bought up so quick, the sword and shield era had scarce players because no one could buy meta cards. It wasn't even that they were rare, just no one could afford over inflated prices. Anything else that happened is just a result of collectors. TPCi has adjusted pull rates, diversity of competitive cards, and amount of production just because of COLLECTORS. They cater primarily to their demographic of actual TCG players since they're the ones that actually attend their tournaments. That is exactly why they reprinted a lot of their older sets, specifically the ones during the pandemic when there were shortages and collectors all bought it all up.
These people are not collectors, they're scalpers. They would not hold Pokemon cards if they couldn't make money off of someone else with them. It's really a shame.
The real reason is that theres no money to be made anymore, its never been about pokemon. Its only ever been about how much money can I make off a charizard. Buying singles has been great since the release of S/V. Very happy to see those that drove the price up start move on.
I’m absolutely loving the new artwork. I don’t collect for value, I collect because I love Pokémon. Adding these beautiful cards to my binders has been a blast. Getting my 5 year old nephew into collecting as well and it’s been a blast seeing his face when he pulls a card that may be worthless to some. Seeing his face light up is priceless to me.
Agreed! I literally have never heard anyone say that about modern collecting, some people just don’t have the money to buy 100’s of boxes a week to pull cards they want, and the old singles are pretty highly priced compared to the new stuff. I have had to literally let go, of so many cards to get the then new product. It’s was painful to watch fat old men, or influencers. Mark up the price to turn a profit during the 2020 era, and the thing is half of these people didn’t even care about the subject matter or the game in anyway, it was all about the mooney-eay”(money), and the people who would buy the up charged goods. Zamn people’s perception of modern Pokémon card collecting is painful at minimum, and heartbreaking at maximum.
@@Gyaddamball As much as I enjoy owning a pricy card, the market made it nearly impossible for casual enjoyers to even have a chance of pulling it without thousands to sink into collecting
@@inkleef Even if I get lucky and get a pricy card, why would I get rid of it unless I get dups. I am COLLECTING not looking to sell. Let card prices go down. I am game for that. Actually just looked at Walmart is selling Evolution Skies for 59 when it's normally 109 "great deal" since you know most of the trainer boxes go for 59 normally. May get a box or two now.
At some point it felt like you had to be a lawyer, surgeon or streamer to afford collecting, especially japanese trainers, lmao. I just buy single cards or auctions on ebay of the cards i really want instead of mass openings.
I think poketubers played a role in the writing off of s&v. They all collectively said “nah these suck” because they were all still chasing sh/sh. Only recently with paradox rift have the poketuber starting warming up to the new era. S&V has amazing artwork but when the leading figures in the space all collectively say “nah they suck” it’s kinda hard to build hype for the hunt.
@@gabeasaur210 they were based off normal creatures and looked decent 🤷♂️ these new pokemon like alcremie, klefki, chandelure etc. are inanimate objects.... who does pokemon think they are Digimon? It's simple, pokemon is running out of ideas and it shows. Paradox rift is essentially a fusion of 2 different pokemon (Digimon again) and the designs are ugly as hell. There's over a 1000 pokemon to catch now... they can take a break
Yup. New folks come in excited, don't realize the market is going to dip substantially, and then the ones of us left can buy singles at a lower price. It's been a relief and honestly I can't wait to see prices drop further!
I don't think anyone could have summarized the trend of these past couple years better. I'm just a simple collector and I just buy for the artworks, and S/V has been awesome imo, especially Paradox Rift and its multitudes of gen 5 art rares (fave gen).
Same bro I started getting back into it again because I am able to afford packs and just being able to have a better chance of getting a rare card is better for me than if I were to buy from the older sets and lose money and lose the feeling that I had when I was little
Funny enough i've seen more people like you come to collecting pokemon cards, where it is as you say it's not about the rarity, but the artwork for you. I really love this for two reasons, one it is how tcg should be and 2 your existence is enough to piss investors off as they can't predict your market. I'm the same way, but for mtg and commander supports this if incase I ever actually one to use my one of cards in a fight lol
Anyone who complains about these awesome cards being "too easy" to find isn't here for the right reasons. Easy pulls, great artwork, and great prices. What could be better?
The reason these sets aren't popular anymore is because set completion is nearly impossible if you want to pull the whole thing. When over half the set is cards that you can only get in 1-2 slots of a pack and the set has over 300 cards in it... that means you have to go through 100-150 packs minimum just to pull ever single card but when you figure dupes into the mix your probably greater than 500 packs and thats around $2000 minimum to pull everything you want. Most people don't have that kind of income to buy that many packs.
I've listened/watched this video 3 times now. There is a lot to unpack. First of all, this video was produced fantastically. The storytelling, editing, and delivery are all incredible. I can't imagine the amount of time and energy you poured into this video, but you did a phenomenal job and should be incredibly proud. Secondly, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that this video perfectly encapsulates a general feeling amongst many collectors. I believe okJUV, while he may share some of these mindsets, is moreso addressing current issues that we are facing as a community at large. A negative topic does not necessarily indicate a negative attitude. Through watching this video multiple times I am gaining an impression that okJULV is merely communicating and summarizing thoughts and struggles that we are facing as a community, not necessarily feelings of his own. Thirdly, I agree wholeheartedly with the entirety of this video, and the way the issues are being delivered. While there are a ton of collector's and players who are having the time of their life, it is extremely important that we as a community keep a constant pulse on how others are feeling around us. Whether it be fatigue or some other reason, the way the hobby and game continue to move forward is going to not only rely on decisions made by TPCI, but attitudes and opinions of the participants themselves. It is important to remember that the Pokemon space is made up of a ton of different individuals. What unites us is our love of Pokemon, but that is merely the end point. The journey that we experience to obtain that love for Pokemon is going to be vastly different. There are comments and conversations all over the place expressing these opinions, and I think this video does an excellent job summarizing and explaining many of the struggles Pokemon is facing amongst it's Pokemon fans. Finally, while I think this correctly identifies the issues the community faces, I would love a follow up video regarding your thought process on how, and what improvements need to be made. I personally feel that if anyone is experiencing these issues they brought up, and easy solution would be for one to "touch grass." The hobby is made up of tons of different avenues that can be experienced. If someone is experiencing burnout or frustration in part of the hobby, the best option might be to take a step back, and focus on something else for a while. However, I don't think this solution works for everyone, nor do I think it is the easiest option, so I am curious to hear what your thought process is on what one can do, or what TPCI can do moving forward to help grow Pokemon. Thanks so much for the video. I think you did a fantastic job and really appreciate everything about you!
Thanks for watching brah! Glad you were able to identify that just because the topic is negative, that this isn't coming from a negative space - a lot of these thoughts I've had for a while, and the goal of the vid was to express those feelings without being dramatic or aggressive. I wanted to lay it out the way I saw it and see how others felt, rather than rant about it like I might've done in the past hehe. When I wrapped up editing this, I definitely felt like I had more to say - and seeing people respond to this has given me more reason to potentially tackle this topic in greater depth down the line. For sure it's something the hobby/space needs to tackle together, and yeah lmao touching grass is the easiest answer - big reason why I started playing (and got so invested in it) - an excellent release that helped me enjoy the hobby in a whole new light. Cheers as always mate, lookin' forward to where 2024 takes us.
I see a path forward in what some content creators have done, in shifting to discussing more about the card game itself. "Cheap" modern packs of penny cards are made very exciting when you pull a trainer you need for a deck you're building. Regular ex cards are very meaningful when they're a cornerstone of the newest meta deck. I appreciate that you, Danny, and J have incorporated more discussion about play and leagues.
Hearing people complaining that hit rates are too good will never make sense to me. If you’re spending money on sealed product, why would you want less good hits? I was disappointed to see that they’ve pulled back the hit rates for the good cards in paradox rift. It just made those booster boxes feel bad compared to the first 3 sets.
It is beacause the fact that that they are so easy go get makes them less expensive and if its noot a chance to get your money back its not worth it for some people
With how amazing the sets have been from S&V block and seeing how interest in underappreciated sets like Cosmic Eclipse has been reignited, I'm certain that the "Hunt" will come back for S&V once the boxes become a bit more scarce in the distant future.
I personally have been loving collecting in 2023. It’s possible to find deals, singles are affordable, the sets focus on newer Pokémon (I think paldea has some of the best Pokémon of the recent gens), the art is amazing. I like the higher pull rates but I still lean more towards singles bc it sucks buying a generic box and getting no hits. Tho it is nice that every booster box has a gold or sir. Better than the past where alts were in every few boxes
Idk, as someone who has a low budget for cards per month (ideally $100, max of $200) the hunt for cards has been pretty dang nice during the SV era. There’s almost no hopes of getting good hits in old sets, each pack you open making me feel a sense of regret, of “I’ll never get a good hit”, in stuff like Evolving Skies. I’ve maybe opened like…5 packs of ES? But that’s because I’m just uninterested in how horrible the pull rates are. With each pack without a singular pull of interest (even nice regular rare pulls, for example) I just feel like I’m wasting money. The SWSH era minus ES and FS along with the SV era provide a hope that you’ll maybe pull that card you want SOMEDAY. And even if you don’t, you get brilliant looking pulls that you get a cozy happy feeling about. It makes me appreciate those pulls that I get that are only worth like 50 cents to $5, as if even though I didn’t get what I wanted I still got a really cool pull. Like with TEM, I was trying so hard to get Deerling and Sawsbuck. They together are my favorite cards visually in all of the cards so far. They’re beautiful, amazing, and to me it would be my biggest success to pull them. Even though they’re only worth like $6/$9 each as of my posting of this comment. But on the way I was able to pull some, but not many, other fun cards! I pulled Prime Catcher (sadly turned it into a card shop for half value in credit, aka $14, never making that mistake again), Excadrill, Meltan, and Ciphermaniac’s codebreaking. For the amount of packs I opened I was having really really bad luck in my pulls. Eventually I found Sawsbuck at a geek swap and was able to trade for it, and that was such an insane dopamine rush. And then I found a Deerling for sale at said above card shop, for only 4 or so dollars. It was awesome. It wasn’t too long on the hunt and I felt like even though my luck was bad that I was still doing decent enough to inspire me to keep going. :) I’d say I really love the Pokemon TCG as it is right now, and I hope the heightened accessibility and beautiful varied art continues to happen. I just wish that there were more mini sets within sets. Not like Shrouded Fable, but things like The Radiant Collection of X&Y. That was so much fun! And I’m recollecting them now, and being able to pick up radiant cards through trading is so awesome! And the Ancient Trait cards too! They were dope to pull back then and finding them is just like the radiant collections’ cards! I hope they expand also on the holo effects, as the Pocket game shows what potential we could attempt to replicate irl. I think the future of the TCG is brighter than we realize, with the upcoming Battle Partners and after that the Team Rocket leaked set and hopefully the set afterwards will go into Legends ZA if we get LZA in February of next year like Legends Arceus’ release. I think it’ll be fun, and if collectors can’t see what people like me with little money to spend appreciate about the modern sets, then we’ll just enjoy the modern sets ourselves.
I’m working on condensing my collection down to my relatively few favorite cards, casing them up and making them into a display, and selling the rest to players or new collectors… It’s been a fun year collecting, reliving the golden childhood years in a sense, and it gave me something to do when there hasn’t been much going on… but yeah I’m over it.
As someone who doesn’t really collect, but plays off and on and watches content the past year with sv has been hella fun. I’m actually seeing things that are interesting, and cracking a few packs with my friends every once in a while has been fun too. I feel like for the casual market and players there has never been a better time to get pokemon cards.
11 months later basically everything you said towards the end is done. It's almost like these things come in waves. Umbreon VMAX is at a higher point than ever. Also, why did you never mention the incredible set, Crown Zenith?
I know I'm late on this video but I think a key point you didn't mention is that sets come out way too often. You have no time to enjoy one because the next is set to release within a couple weeks of you getting your product at an already scalped price. Hit a blaziken vmax alt? Who cares? The next cool shiny thing drops a couple days later.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I remember opening Dream League when no one cared about it, and I got the chance to enjoy it at a good price. So thats what I’m doing now. Enjoying these sets whilst its possible and still fun (imo) This video was refreshing too, really enjoyed watching this 👌🏼
Collecting now with my kids is literally just as fun as the 90s with my brother. We only collect what we like, no worries on trying to get everything. The artwork has never been better than the current sets coming out now.
I had a teacher in an audio production class once talk go on a side tangent about buying gear. He said "let the rich people buy the new things and then buy it second hand when they give up on it." Kinda feels like that's where Pokemon's at. I've had the same feelings before that it's no fun, but impulse control has to kick in at some point and I will willingly scoop my art rare Ferrothorn for $3 over spending fifteen times that on an ETB on release day with empty hopes.
As someone who just likes to play the game, I'm kinda thankful for the recent craze of card collecting because I can buy off so many commons for cheap from collectors and build a few decent decks to play with friends. I also do a bit of pack opening for myself for fun but for me it's really in the deck building and casual playing where I get most of my enjoyment from these cards. 😊
The end of this was interesting. When you talked about the people that were passionate about the cards and just love collecting without caring about the money, that to me is the real fun that's intended. Investors could have just as much fun in the stock market with they're enjoyment of seeing values rise and if they love Pokemon they can have that as a hobby unrelated to that. The monetization of the pure form of returning to your childhood interests is something I really dislike about it all. I'm still extremely happy I got back into collecting but I actively have to avoid that side of things or it takes away a lot of the fun.
I can't be the only one who collects Pokémon cards for more than their monetary value, right? In the end, it's not that Pokémon cards aren't fun anymore, it's that you've grown up. Some people still collect cards, myself included. And I just turn 23 last month.
Great video, man. I'm loving all the new designs and artworks in S&V. I feel like a kid again learning all these new Pokemon and getting to know their characters in the new games and anime. I guess some nostalgists are looking for something they've already experienced and is familiar, which seems destined to be a short-lived dopamine hit - instead of seeking out and experiencing the same FEELINGS they had as a kid again, which I find far more rewarding with a long-term serotonin boost. I know that's a scientific take.
As someone who used to play Pokemon TCG, I've always found collectors annoying--grabbing up the best cards just to have them sit in binders and never play with them. Their motivations are to find their own kind of happiness that I can't relate to, and they aren't parasitic scalpers, but I can't say I pity them for losing motivation when rare card rates are too high... or too low... or there's not enough pretty artwork... or too much... absolutely ridiculous to me.
As someone who got back into the hobby from childhood with the 25th anniversary set, I can honestly say I'm glad this bubble has burst now we actually have a chance to buy the booster boxes and cards we want without breaking the bank so IMO while it might not make much sense from a business perspective for the Pokemon TCG, I'm glad this has happened the way it has the the inverstbro's, rip and ship and clout chasing pack opening channels have moved on, allowing a chance for true fans to enjoy and eat good finally.
Late comment but I dont really understand the pack buying part as someone who got into TCG to play ya know, THE TCG. As a Counter Strike player, if I am gambling in game I want the potential return to be very high, not a max value of 600$ (charizard EX PSA 10 in the 151) I just dont understand the pokemon TCG investing when other avenues seem to be much better at money making. If its really to collect cards, then I assume buying a collection is much cheaper than trying to open the whole collection yourself.
It's such an odd conversation that's so different for every person. I, a casual, just want specific cards so I love how cheap my "chase cards" are as singles lately. But I can understand how a more serious collector can just feel out-of-place. Great video again, bud
The extra copies of overlapping arts of the same cards have allowed players a chance at getting the hits they need from packs. I understand it drives the price down for collecting. For a player building a deck he has to hit a certain card up to four times. Which is harder. Often multiple different cards from the same set. At any rate pokemon doesn't have the balance down yet to appeal to both collectors and players. Since no one is happy on both sides of the fence.
I'm getting back into pokemon and really enjoying the SV era. I enjoy the more oldschool feel compared to the last few years. Also the special full art cards I want are often around $20 which is enough to me to feel valuable/special but affordable. And so many new cards look incredible. Important note - I only collect cards that I use in decks, I don't have the desire for cards that sit on shelves, cards need to have more of a purpose for me. And my favorite part of the hobby is deck building and playing.
The SV era is the best start to any era in a very very long time!! Whatever about "the easy" pull rates, the art from SV base to Paradox Rift is far superior than Platinum & Diamond and Pearl Base, HearGold & SoulSilver Base, B&W Base, XY base, S&M base and SWSH base. The hate on this era so far is great for me as I can get the great art chase cards for the price of 2-4 loose packs. In time however people will come back and love to open the set, collect all the chase cards and want binder pages of the SIR Pokemon and Trainers.
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way OKJluv. I personally am happy this change has happened. And it's easy to love the hobby still if you simply just ignore the douches in the hobby and don't pay attention to hype. Hit rates for 151 are just fine. People just expect too much. Luck is sometimes good, sometimes bad. Does anyone want the 2020 hype to come back?!? I'm happy that it's only genuine fans left and we can find whatever product we want on a store shelf. If value is why people collect... they collect for the wrong reason. Everything you said in this video is positive if I'm being honest.
That’s my feeling. 151 has “bad pull rates” but that shouldn’t matter if you’re an actual collector. If anything that should make the feeling THAT much better when you finally pull that elusive card you’ve been wanting to find. We just live in a world where people want that instant gratification, and if you don’t get it and then the set isn’t good apparently
@@M1XEDBAGexactly. I've opened over 500 packs of Evolving Skies and I've only pulled 2 alt arts. My luck with that set was trash but it's still the 2nd best set of all time. I think people just get salty when they don't get what they want like you said. I've pulled 4 alakazam SIRs and 1 Erika's Invitation SIR from about 120 packs of 151... that's not bad at all really.
Solid video as always. I knew investors were getting out of it when i was and still am easily able to find 151 on shelves. I had some fire hits in my UPC and ETB. If this means singles prices come down I'm all for it. Now I'm salty that i spent $20-30 on certain SV1 cards that are now like $10 max lol. Oh well.
just got into collecting again after like 10+ years and ive been having a great time, lot to love about the new sets and ive enjoyed playing the game as well. there are so many good illustration rares its absurd
I'm glad I only collect for fun. Don't get me wrong; it's a great feeling to pull a rare, valuable card, but it's more fun to complete a set with just booster packs
I hated school and home growing up pokémon for me is a nostalgia thing as it brought me some happiness I loved collecting I stopped collecting for 14 years because I moved overseas I recently started collecting again and will say I love the artwork compared to the first generation the new cards are literally little bits of art the attention of detail is amazing.
Great video, watched it with great interest. Another thing what I find strange is that when they launch a new set, there's likely a video game with the same Pokemon release, but the Pokémon cartoon shows on TV still recycle old material with older generation Pokemon in different areas. Having young kids, they still love those shows and I think that might benefit the general interest of a new era as well.
This was a very good video as someone who got into Pokemon card collecting back in 2020 I've definitely seen the shift in the community I used to hunt for the top cards( which I did pull the alt art Blaziken VMAX from chilling pain) but I've now learned to appreciate other special cards regardless of the price and love opening casually now
@@wismuel cause they’re sooks who don’t appreciate how good things actually are and how disrespectful it is to blanket label artwork “bad” despite the amount of effort put into producing it, just because they’re stuck in the past
20:18 deeppocketmonster’s affinity for houndoom is one of the purest things on the poketube, imo it’s like watching a full grown man reset to a lil kid when he finds one he’s been looking for
Some very good points made here. I am at a position where buying packs doesn't make much financial sense for playable cards. But, the draw of pulling multiple hits within one pack is very tempting. Keep up the top content dude 💪💪
I lost fun because of Investors poisoning the hobby. Honestly it feels so exausting and even disguisting if it's full of overly rich NFT/crypto/Tehcbros just hussling around every discord and forum. Chasing/INVESTING/talking about these kids toys like it's some sort of a serious buiseness. I left everywhting i was visiting - every discord (the worst places with such people) - left all forums and channels (yours ad that "hey virgin gang" - guy are the only 2 i still watch) and slowly finishing Lost Origin and Silver Tempest master sets without caring about garbage fake hype anymore. I never been so happy collecting cards. Just chilling and doing stuff i like.
Deep Pocket Monster is the living embodiment of everything that’s wrong with Pokémon. Nothing against him, I honestly feel bad for people like him. Just like everything else in our modern society, things are having their purpose replaced by simply flipping it for profit. Houses, concert tickets, trading cards. Everything is losing is raison d’être and being used as an alternative investment. Fooookkkkkk.
I believe that theres so much diversity within the collectors that there will always be someone who loves it and always someone who dislikes it. Love your content, so different from other UA-camrs and its just nice that you show all the artwork and the artists
Nah, I got back into collecting this year after 5 years of investing my money in other stuff, and honestly I'm having a blast with the new Alt arts. I also know a ton of new people joining that have never collected Pokémon cards, that are ripping packs left and right. The demand and attraction is still there especially for newer generation (like its meant to be). Maybe its not "as fun" for people that are weird and want life to always stay the same, but honestly I think Pokémon is doing a pretty good job at adapting to the times.
bro i’m only 3 minutes into this vid and had to pause caz this is insane… the amount of work that went into this vid 😳😳 loving it man, excited to finish
Im back into collecting pokemon after 3yrs of not doing so and i can safely say of the 20yrs I've collected pokemon on and off this is the most fun ive had. Simply because im not "chasing" anything or getting wrapped up in the hype of what everyone else "wants" as someone who is catering their collection behind getting every full art trainer every produced in english and collecting every alt art and new illustration stuff they make it gives me a clear goal an im not stressed about pulling some chase card or something crazy. I just stay with what makes/brings me joy. But to each their own and everyone will feel a way about what they are in the hobby for! Good thing is those who sour from the hobby can always come back, this hobby and franchise has been in my life since i was a young kid and likely will be until I'm old lol.
@okjluv I totally agree with you on the new sets, it does feel different. I’ve never opened cards in the gambling sense of trying to make money back by flipping the card right away. I open to collect and have them sorted in binders perfectly (ocd here). The S&V sets don’t have that “hit” feel. I don’t know what it is, but you explained it very well. When I opened the gengar from fusion, moltres & blaziken from chilling and the Charizard from xy. Those hits felt special, my fiancé also rips with me and she doesn’t seem to stoke anymore opening packs. Super bizarre. Anyways always appreciate you and your content. Much love my dude! Let me know if your ever in so cal!
"The cards are too easy to find" has got to be just about the dumbest thing I've heard people say. I hope the designers never listen to these idiots. Investors will never be nothing but poison for TCGs. They are extremely fickle. And treating a hobby as a financial investment is one of the studidest things ever.
Absolutely a cooked video here. Can tell a lot of thought and effort went into making this. This year has definitely been the best year for a while when it comes to the artwork of Pokemon cards. With new artists coming in that instantly grab your attention, to the old classics, there is something for everyone who actually enjoys the collecting side of the hobby. With prices coming down, hopefully the people who were bought out of the hobby can return and start enjoying it again at what some people will say its peak, or even start playing the game, which has sparked the interest in the hobby for many people again, including myself. Prices won't ever be the exact same as what they were at the start of 2020, but we can hope to get close to it again.
Great video and great points made! Only thing I’ll say is that I’ve managed to make back more money on 151 than any other set through SV and SwSh. Had my 1 biggest day of sales on my store ever with 151 singles. People are seemingly desperate to complete the set and strangely the IRs, Full Arts and SARs have gained significant value (some IRs hitting $50-$60), at least here in Australia. It’s definitely seems to be an anomaly though as things are back to standard with Paradox and $10 IRs again. I find myself torn - as a master set collector I enjoy not spending as much money, but a part of me does miss the Hunt. End of the day though I think I’ll take the cheaper option.
Had to comment twice because I love the Persona music in the background too. That aside, I really love the passion and story telling in this video. Good job brother
Art Work is straight Fire. Ever since they introduced Alt arts, the art just keeps getting better and better. I Dont enen Know most of these new pokemon but am in love with their cards.
Funny enough SV has honestly really brought me back into collecting altogether! I stopped right at the start of XY in the past and was intimidated in the 2020 era as card prices were high but now I can collect some of my new (and old) favorite Pokemon for relatively decent prices! I even got into the competitive scene because deck list have become more avalible with stuff like the League Battle Decks and not as much single hype. What a lovely video that made me think about this all again.
I am so happy that the hype from 2020 has ended, that’s the reason I gave up from collecting. Now with the new scarlet and violet era, I’m back baby, BACK!!!
If the set has a high pull rate, the cards that are hits usually cost less than a boost pack. No point in opening up a pack in hopes for a card or opening a box for a card if you could just get the card itself
Sweet video bro. Agree with all your points. Personally for me, I pick and choose what sets to collect and open up. A group of friends and I hang out once every couple months to just open packs together and have fun seeing what kind of cars we all pull. So We are still having heaps of fun hunting and not feeling fatigue with all the sets that are out in the market.
In my opinion, values have driven some ( me atleast ). Though I dont sell, knowing I got my money back, makes me happier. Now, its $7 a pack where I live and thats not acceptable anymore. 151 has become $20+ and like who the hell wants to buy that.
The problem is people are opening waaay too many packs and spending so much on product, so of course it's gonna get boring and cards aren't gonna seem rare To the average collector like me who doesn't have infinite money, the new sets are fine, rare cards aren't impossible but still rare People's dopamine receptors are fried is what I'm trying to say, take it slow and don't buy 4 cases of booster boxes every set and I promise you'll enjoy the hobby more
Want rare cards but low pull rate, complain. Want rare cards but high pull rate, complain. Honestly, people like these not only ruin the hobby but aren't collectors themselves. If you love Pokemon cards, you don't care about the investment, stupid sealed booster boxes, or the hunt. You just buy it because you enjoy it. End of discussion.
I remember evolutions like yesterday, no one wanted it and it was overprinted (hype was dead after x and y). Now it’s 1k, it just goes to show you that you never know what will go up in value and what people want in the future
The thing is, there isn't much difference in high value cards compaired to middle ground cards. Popular pokemon drive the cost of cards more than anything, and modern sets still have those rare popular pokemon. Yes the rare pull rate is higher, but they still have even rarer cards to find and personally for more casual collectors, ones who don't want to dump thousands into it, it feels better to come out with something than openning 30 packs with maybe 2 ex cards
I have never been more excited to open Pokémon Cards in my life. More cards + better pull rates means I have easier access to cards for my decks and the cards I’m collecting. Finding cards I want is fun.
Let´s be honest: If you are coming from Yugioh, you will absolutely enjoy an equal distribution among the highest rarity cards. Because short printed secret rares in Yugioh are insanely demoralizing.
Nothing will bring back the hype of 2020. That was a lightning in a bottle scenario. Pokemon is still more advanced than in 2019 however and sells better for sure than back then. Vintage is more fleshed out as is modern. We are seeing much more sophisticated collectors in the market overall which is a good thing.
Well done video and analysis! I like that you covered a lot of points and I agree with most of them. I collect mainly for the art so I'm quite happy with SV era. I think it's too early to compare SV to SW since the former just started. Evolving skies is also quite an anomaly so almost anything you compare against it will be in its favor. I personally don't want another set like Evolving skies in terms of pull rates and hype. I personally have more fun opening SV to SW. SW may have higher highs, but it also has lower lows aka evolving cries. With the introduction of ARs, there is also a lot more choices for chase cards. In early SW, my chase are mostly the alternate arts. Finally, inflation is likely hitting some collectors that started from SW.
I feel the biggest draw to a lot of videos is just to bait people in and listen to nonsense. The art is so wildly amazing these days that the only downside is the size of the sets and rates to master a set is so unobtainable that leaves so many in the dumps about it. Granted i collected 20+ years ago and literally just picked up my be all end all grail card from my childhood; University Magikarp, over the last few years, these new sets have been so amazing, learning to actually play the TCG has made the cards so much fun. The community, the hunting, the chasing, the good and bad… i think people get too close minded and overlook the amazement there is sitting in front of us all. Amazing video, thank you for sharing!
Pokemon sets are cyclical. Once they stop printing and are no longer on the shelves, and the style of rare cards are no longer in the new release sets, they boost in price.
Absolutely phenomenal video, the pacing was perfect & hit the nail on the head. As someone who only every really buys singles & hunts for niche cards, this generation of pokemon has been wonderful for me. and as someone learning and playing the TCG the prices on new good cards being low is fantastic (compare it to Yu-Gi-Oh where some core cards were in 3 figures). I will still buy the odd pack or ETB buy i open it with friends and have a laugh about it, not a profit hunt that some choose to do. 10/10 Jluv.
I collected when pokemon first came out, then stopped after gen 3 because I grew up into Yugioh, now that 151 is here, it is that nostalgia trip, but my daughter is getting into pokemon so it's worth getting back into it now that I have my daughter wanting to as well.
About artwork of rare cards.... Yes, they do look better. No question there. But while EXs or Vmax or fullarts or whatever are arguably cooler looking. At least for me, nothing beats the hype of old ex cards.
There is 1 reason and 1 reason only why the boom of 2020 was so big; Pandemic. The dip of end 2023 is already reversing as we speak, but expecting anything similar will be unrealistic, and it is unlikely for a 2020 boom to happen in that same way any time soon (or maybe ever) regardless of what is going on in pokemon internally. And as a collector and lover of the pokemon themself, I am only glad for it. I even wouldn't mind if cards over 100$ did not exist.
The SV era has been amazing for singles buyers imo. The investor bros can't make many plays on singles, so the players/singles buyers can easily afford the cards they want. Hype diminishing due to investor bros losing interest is healthy for the true fans.
@ahmadayoub94 L take.. just cause there's no $400 card right off the bat doesn't mean they are worthless. There's still plenty of value in these newer sets. He'll 151 is above $800 for a master and will hold that for a good time. Maybe dip to 700ish then in a few years gradually appreciate. Next predicted boom will be around the 30th anniversary.
@@ahmadayoub94found the investor bro 😂
Im loving it!! Being able to actually afford to play with a blinged out deck feels sooo good!! Bonus seeing the collectors cry about it!
I've been a true fan for a long time and seeing scalpers suffer is quite fun to be honest. Some cards from SWSH which are elusive have their prices dropping and the true fans are going mental.
100% couldn’t have said it any better
If it makes singles prices cheaper then I'm all for it
Same. I collect for aesthetic instead for flipping personally. Found it more fun
OK
Fr. "Collecting isn't fun anymore" is the mindset of someone who was just doing it for profit, and not for the actual hobby itself.
@@NovaMaster375 Amen to that. If you live by the stocks, eventually you’ll be put in them. I was able to make 3 decks in a few days that, while yes, totaled quite a penny, were at a *fraction* of what they’d be if I tried getting them from packs, or when they were hot options. I shudder to think about the price of Scizor VMAX or Zekrom and Pikachu when they first dropped~
@@PixiemonCardssame here. I see it as an art collection that I’m collecting. That also opens me to Japanese cards which are often much cheaper at least in the vintage market.
I think that most people in the hobby (collectors and players) are happy with the changes overall, more singles are being sold thanks to the better pull rate and affordable prices. The only people these changes annoy are the "investors" who want to pull chase cards just to flip them for money and the content creators who rely on chase cards being rarer and more expensive to generate greater interest for their booster packs/boxes opening videos.
151 has been insane. I work in a card store and the amount of new people that I saw come into the hobby for 151 was massive!
Nostalgia is one hell of a drug lol
a lot of us got out our childhood collection and the original 151 are the ones we knew as kids. So its like collecting the 1st editions again for us i think. It really is better as a hobby than an investment.
A lot of people came to my LgS for 151 purchases and learning to play and stayed for loclas
Even though it's sad that collecting Pokémon cards isn't as popular anymore, I think it's a win for the real fans or people trying to get into the TCG!
It is absolutely 100% collectors' fault that the market is dropping. So many people played the TCG. A lot of them quit because of scummy collectors raising the prices to unreasonable heights. A lot of these cards are not worth their value. I would even say most are not even collectible. During the COVID pandemic, cards were being bought up so quick, the sword and shield era had scarce players because no one could buy meta cards. It wasn't even that they were rare, just no one could afford over inflated prices. Anything else that happened is just a result of collectors. TPCi has adjusted pull rates, diversity of competitive cards, and amount of production just because of COLLECTORS. They cater primarily to their demographic of actual TCG players since they're the ones that actually attend their tournaments. That is exactly why they reprinted a lot of their older sets, specifically the ones during the pandemic when there were shortages and collectors all bought it all up.
These people are not collectors, they're scalpers. They would not hold Pokemon cards if they couldn't make money off of someone else with them. It's really a shame.
The real reason is that theres no money to be made anymore, its never been about pokemon. Its only ever been about how much money can I make off a charizard. Buying singles has been great since the release of S/V. Very happy to see those that drove the price up start move on.
I’m absolutely loving the new artwork. I don’t collect for value, I collect because I love Pokémon. Adding these beautiful cards to my binders has been a blast. Getting my 5 year old nephew into collecting as well and it’s been a blast seeing his face when he pulls a card that may be worthless to some. Seeing his face light up is priceless to me.
this is what collecting is about. talking about it and showing what your collection is about and helping others grow their collection
@@potatopack Eye of the beholder. Finding your own joy in the process is the smart play.
For someone who doesn’t have a huge budget, this has been great and I’ve actually felt like packs are worth opening for once
Agreed! I literally have never heard anyone say that about modern collecting, some people just don’t have the money to buy 100’s of boxes a week to pull cards they want, and the old singles are pretty highly priced compared to the new stuff. I have had to literally let go, of so many cards to get the then new product. It’s was painful to watch fat old men, or influencers. Mark up the price to turn a profit during the 2020 era, and the thing is half of these people didn’t even care about the subject matter or the game in anyway, it was all about the mooney-eay”(money), and the people who would buy the up charged goods. Zamn people’s perception of modern Pokémon card collecting is painful at minimum, and heartbreaking at maximum.
@@Gyaddamball As much as I enjoy owning a pricy card, the market made it nearly impossible for casual enjoyers to even have a chance of pulling it without thousands to sink into collecting
Agreed.
@@inkleef Even if I get lucky and get a pricy card, why would I get rid of it unless I get dups. I am COLLECTING not looking to sell. Let card prices go down. I am game for that. Actually just looked at Walmart is selling Evolution Skies for 59 when it's normally 109 "great deal" since you know most of the trainer boxes go for 59 normally. May get a box or two now.
At some point it felt like you had to be a lawyer, surgeon or streamer to afford collecting, especially japanese trainers, lmao. I just buy single cards or auctions on ebay of the cards i really want instead of mass openings.
I think poketubers played a role in the writing off of s&v. They all collectively said “nah these suck” because they were all still chasing sh/sh. Only recently with paradox rift have the poketuber starting warming up to the new era. S&V has amazing artwork but when the leading figures in the space all collectively say “nah they suck” it’s kinda hard to build hype for the hunt.
🔥 🔥 🔥
Don’t you mean sw/sh
The new designs are bad, literally anything can be a pokemon now.
It's laziness at its finest
@@FallingStar1080 ah yes, because ekans (being snake backwards), seel being a literal seal and ponyta being a pony were so revolutionary.
@@gabeasaur210 they were based off normal creatures and looked decent 🤷♂️ these new pokemon like alcremie, klefki, chandelure etc. are inanimate objects.... who does pokemon think they are Digimon?
It's simple, pokemon is running out of ideas and it shows. Paradox rift is essentially a fusion of 2 different pokemon (Digimon again) and the designs are ugly as hell. There's over a 1000 pokemon to catch now... they can take a break
Yup. New folks come in excited, don't realize the market is going to dip substantially, and then the ones of us left can buy singles at a lower price. It's been a relief and honestly I can't wait to see prices drop further!
Yes hope it crashes, i have a huge collection, i dont care if its worth nothing, i just want more,
@@snorenzo1 Yeah, same here - I'd love the art even if it was not worth a lot
I don't think anyone could have summarized the trend of these past couple years better. I'm just a simple collector and I just buy for the artworks, and S/V has been awesome imo, especially Paradox Rift and its multitudes of gen 5 art rares (fave gen).
Lol I took a break for a year and these sets are nuts. Going to get so many singles for my binders lol
I like the look of PR. Nice to "Salamence" get some time in the sun.
Same bro I started getting back into it again because I am able to afford packs and just being able to have a better chance of getting a rare card is better for me than if I were to buy from the older sets and lose money and lose the feeling that I had when I was little
Funny enough i've seen more people like you come to collecting pokemon cards, where it is as you say it's not about the rarity, but the artwork for you. I really love this for two reasons, one it is how tcg should be and 2 your existence is enough to piss investors off as they can't predict your market. I'm the same way, but for mtg and commander supports this if incase I ever actually one to use my one of cards in a fight lol
honestly as someone who collects the cards for the art I cannot be happier with the amount of amazing pulls in the recent sets
Anyone who complains about these awesome cards being "too easy" to find isn't here for the right reasons. Easy pulls, great artwork, and great prices. What could be better?
The reason these sets aren't popular anymore is because set completion is nearly impossible if you want to pull the whole thing. When over half the set is cards that you can only get in 1-2 slots of a pack and the set has over 300 cards in it... that means you have to go through 100-150 packs minimum just to pull ever single card but when you figure dupes into the mix your probably greater than 500 packs and thats around $2000 minimum to pull everything you want. Most people don't have that kind of income to buy that many packs.
I've listened/watched this video 3 times now. There is a lot to unpack.
First of all, this video was produced fantastically. The storytelling, editing, and delivery are all incredible. I can't imagine the amount of time and energy you poured into this video, but you did a phenomenal job and should be incredibly proud.
Secondly, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that this video perfectly encapsulates a general feeling amongst many collectors. I believe okJUV, while he may share some of these mindsets, is moreso addressing current issues that we are facing as a community at large. A negative topic does not necessarily indicate a negative attitude. Through watching this video multiple times I am gaining an impression that okJULV is merely communicating and summarizing thoughts and struggles that we are facing as a community, not necessarily feelings of his own.
Thirdly, I agree wholeheartedly with the entirety of this video, and the way the issues are being delivered. While there are a ton of collector's and players who are having the time of their life, it is extremely important that we as a community keep a constant pulse on how others are feeling around us. Whether it be fatigue or some other reason, the way the hobby and game continue to move forward is going to not only rely on decisions made by TPCI, but attitudes and opinions of the participants themselves. It is important to remember that the Pokemon space is made up of a ton of different individuals. What unites us is our love of Pokemon, but that is merely the end point. The journey that we experience to obtain that love for Pokemon is going to be vastly different. There are comments and conversations all over the place expressing these opinions, and I think this video does an excellent job summarizing and explaining many of the struggles Pokemon is facing amongst it's Pokemon fans.
Finally, while I think this correctly identifies the issues the community faces, I would love a follow up video regarding your thought process on how, and what improvements need to be made. I personally feel that if anyone is experiencing these issues they brought up, and easy solution would be for one to "touch grass." The hobby is made up of tons of different avenues that can be experienced. If someone is experiencing burnout or frustration in part of the hobby, the best option might be to take a step back, and focus on something else for a while. However, I don't think this solution works for everyone, nor do I think it is the easiest option, so I am curious to hear what your thought process is on what one can do, or what TPCI can do moving forward to help grow Pokemon.
Thanks so much for the video. I think you did a fantastic job and really appreciate everything about you!
Thanks for watching brah! Glad you were able to identify that just because the topic is negative, that this isn't coming from a negative space - a lot of these thoughts I've had for a while, and the goal of the vid was to express those feelings without being dramatic or aggressive. I wanted to lay it out the way I saw it and see how others felt, rather than rant about it like I might've done in the past hehe.
When I wrapped up editing this, I definitely felt like I had more to say - and seeing people respond to this has given me more reason to potentially tackle this topic in greater depth down the line. For sure it's something the hobby/space needs to tackle together, and yeah lmao touching grass is the easiest answer - big reason why I started playing (and got so invested in it) - an excellent release that helped me enjoy the hobby in a whole new light.
Cheers as always mate, lookin' forward to where 2024 takes us.
I see a path forward in what some content creators have done, in shifting to discussing more about the card game itself. "Cheap" modern packs of penny cards are made very exciting when you pull a trainer you need for a deck you're building. Regular ex cards are very meaningful when they're a cornerstone of the newest meta deck. I appreciate that you, Danny, and J have incorporated more discussion about play and leagues.
Hearing people complaining that hit rates are too good will never make sense to me. If you’re spending money on sealed product, why would you want less good hits? I was disappointed to see that they’ve pulled back the hit rates for the good cards in paradox rift. It just made those booster boxes feel bad compared to the first 3 sets.
It is beacause the fact that that they are so easy go get makes them less expensive and if its noot a chance to get your money back its not worth it for some people
With how amazing the sets have been from S&V block and seeing how interest in underappreciated sets like Cosmic Eclipse has been reignited, I'm certain that the "Hunt" will come back for S&V once the boxes become a bit more scarce in the distant future.
Cosmic Eclipse was not reprinted to the extent every set is now lmao. WAYYYY different.
@@jamesgraves9858 Guess we will find out in 5 years.
These prices on scarlet and violet are great, very collectable and playable and affordable
I personally have been loving collecting in 2023. It’s possible to find deals, singles are affordable, the sets focus on newer Pokémon (I think paldea has some of the best Pokémon of the recent gens), the art is amazing. I like the higher pull rates but I still lean more towards singles bc it sucks buying a generic box and getting no hits. Tho it is nice that every booster box has a gold or sir. Better than the past where alts were in every few boxes
As a collector who doesn't have the resources to keep "the hunt" going for older sets, I'm loving S&V - can pull a lot of beautiful cards
Idk, as someone who has a low budget for cards per month (ideally $100, max of $200) the hunt for cards has been pretty dang nice during the SV era. There’s almost no hopes of getting good hits in old sets, each pack you open making me feel a sense of regret, of “I’ll never get a good hit”, in stuff like Evolving Skies. I’ve maybe opened like…5 packs of ES? But that’s because I’m just uninterested in how horrible the pull rates are. With each pack without a singular pull of interest (even nice regular rare pulls, for example) I just feel like I’m wasting money.
The SWSH era minus ES and FS along with the SV era provide a hope that you’ll maybe pull that card you want SOMEDAY. And even if you don’t, you get brilliant looking pulls that you get a cozy happy feeling about. It makes me appreciate those pulls that I get that are only worth like 50 cents to $5, as if even though I didn’t get what I wanted I still got a really cool pull. Like with TEM, I was trying so hard to get Deerling and Sawsbuck. They together are my favorite cards visually in all of the cards so far. They’re beautiful, amazing, and to me it would be my biggest success to pull them. Even though they’re only worth like $6/$9 each as of my posting of this comment. But on the way I was able to pull some, but not many, other fun cards! I pulled Prime Catcher (sadly turned it into a card shop for half value in credit, aka $14, never making that mistake again), Excadrill, Meltan, and Ciphermaniac’s codebreaking. For the amount of packs I opened I was having really really bad luck in my pulls. Eventually I found Sawsbuck at a geek swap and was able to trade for it, and that was such an insane dopamine rush. And then I found a Deerling for sale at said above card shop, for only 4 or so dollars. It was awesome. It wasn’t too long on the hunt and I felt like even though my luck was bad that I was still doing decent enough to inspire me to keep going. :) I’d say I really love the Pokemon TCG as it is right now, and I hope the heightened accessibility and beautiful varied art continues to happen. I just wish that there were more mini sets within sets. Not like Shrouded Fable, but things like The Radiant Collection of X&Y. That was so much fun! And I’m recollecting them now, and being able to pick up radiant cards through trading is so awesome! And the Ancient Trait cards too! They were dope to pull back then and finding them is just like the radiant collections’ cards! I hope they expand also on the holo effects, as the Pocket game shows what potential we could attempt to replicate irl. I think the future of the TCG is brighter than we realize, with the upcoming Battle Partners and after that the Team Rocket leaked set and hopefully the set afterwards will go into Legends ZA if we get LZA in February of next year like Legends Arceus’ release. I think it’ll be fun, and if collectors can’t see what people like me with little money to spend appreciate about the modern sets, then we’ll just enjoy the modern sets ourselves.
I’m working on condensing my collection down to my relatively few favorite cards, casing them up and making them into a display, and selling the rest to players or new collectors…
It’s been a fun year collecting, reliving the golden childhood years in a sense, and it gave me something to do when there hasn’t been much going on… but yeah I’m over it.
As someone who doesn’t really collect, but plays off and on and watches content the past year with sv has been hella fun. I’m actually seeing things that are interesting, and cracking a few packs with my friends every once in a while has been fun too. I feel like for the casual market and players there has never been a better time to get pokemon cards.
11 months later basically everything you said towards the end is done. It's almost like these things come in waves. Umbreon VMAX is at a higher point than ever.
Also, why did you never mention the incredible set, Crown Zenith?
I know I'm late on this video but I think a key point you didn't mention is that sets come out way too often. You have no time to enjoy one because the next is set to release within a couple weeks of you getting your product at an already scalped price. Hit a blaziken vmax alt? Who cares? The next cool shiny thing drops a couple days later.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I remember opening Dream League when no one cared about it, and I got the chance to enjoy it at a good price. So thats what I’m doing now. Enjoying these sets whilst its possible and still fun (imo)
This video was refreshing too, really enjoyed watching this 👌🏼
The fun of collecting should be just that…collecting and enjoying the cards.
Collecting now with my kids is literally just as fun as the 90s with my brother. We only collect what we like, no worries on trying to get everything. The artwork has never been better than the current sets coming out now.
I had a teacher in an audio production class once talk go on a side tangent about buying gear. He said "let the rich people buy the new things and then buy it second hand when they give up on it." Kinda feels like that's where Pokemon's at. I've had the same feelings before that it's no fun, but impulse control has to kick in at some point and I will willingly scoop my art rare Ferrothorn for $3 over spending fifteen times that on an ETB on release day with empty hopes.
As someone who just likes to play the game, I'm kinda thankful for the recent craze of card collecting because I can buy off so many commons for cheap from collectors and build a few decent decks to play with friends. I also do a bit of pack opening for myself for fun but for me it's really in the deck building and casual playing where I get most of my enjoyment from these cards. 😊
The end of this was interesting. When you talked about the people that were passionate about the cards and just love collecting without caring about the money, that to me is the real fun that's intended. Investors could have just as much fun in the stock market with they're enjoyment of seeing values rise and if they love Pokemon they can have that as a hobby unrelated to that. The monetization of the pure form of returning to your childhood interests is something I really dislike about it all. I'm still extremely happy I got back into collecting but I actively have to avoid that side of things or it takes away a lot of the fun.
Absolute BANGER video mate - Had me hooked and thinking the entire time 🙌
cheers big fella!!
I can't be the only one who collects Pokémon cards for more than their monetary value, right?
In the end, it's not that Pokémon cards aren't fun anymore, it's that you've grown up. Some people still collect cards, myself included. And I just turn 23 last month.
We need more Pokemon players like Yu-Gi-Oh from scratch by Revzcards I need to stop watching the Pokemon finance bros 😂
Great video, man. I'm loving all the new designs and artworks in S&V. I feel like a kid again learning all these new Pokemon and getting to know their characters in the new games and anime. I guess some nostalgists are looking for something they've already experienced and is familiar, which seems destined to be a short-lived dopamine hit - instead of seeking out and experiencing the same FEELINGS they had as a kid again, which I find far more rewarding with a long-term serotonin boost. I know that's a scientific take.
That’s a really great take. How many times can you go after nostalgia before it didn’t hit?
This is cap nothing has stopped being fun about Pokémon it’s still just as fun and just as nostalgic. This is your opinion .
it's good you are still having fun with Pokemon i'm happy for you man, fr
As someone who used to play Pokemon TCG, I've always found collectors annoying--grabbing up the best cards just to have them sit in binders and never play with them. Their motivations are to find their own kind of happiness that I can't relate to, and they aren't parasitic scalpers, but I can't say I pity them for losing motivation when rare card rates are too high... or too low... or there's not enough pretty artwork... or too much... absolutely ridiculous to me.
151 will go up alot within 3 years I been buying and selling for 15 years
As someone who got back into the hobby from childhood with the 25th anniversary set, I can honestly say I'm glad this bubble has burst now we actually have a chance to buy the booster boxes and cards we want without breaking the bank so IMO while it might not make much sense from a business perspective for the Pokemon TCG, I'm glad this has happened the way it has the the inverstbro's, rip and ship and clout chasing pack opening channels have moved on, allowing a chance for true fans to enjoy and eat good finally.
Tbh i bought my first ever pokemon cards with the 151 release, and i dont regret it 😊 the artwork is just phenomenal
Late comment but I dont really understand the pack buying part as someone who got into TCG to play ya know, THE TCG. As a Counter Strike player, if I am gambling in game I want the potential return to be very high, not a max value of 600$ (charizard EX PSA 10 in the 151) I just dont understand the pokemon TCG investing when other avenues seem to be much better at money making. If its really to collect cards, then I assume buying a collection is much cheaper than trying to open the whole collection yourself.
It's such an odd conversation that's so different for every person. I, a casual, just want specific cards so I love how cheap my "chase cards" are as singles lately. But I can understand how a more serious collector can just feel out-of-place. Great video again, bud
The extra copies of overlapping arts of the same cards have allowed players a chance at getting the hits they need from packs. I understand it drives the price down for collecting. For a player building a deck he has to hit a certain card up to four times. Which is harder. Often multiple different cards from the same set.
At any rate pokemon doesn't have the balance down yet to appeal to both collectors and players. Since no one is happy on both sides of the fence.
I'm getting back into pokemon and really enjoying the SV era. I enjoy the more oldschool feel compared to the last few years. Also the special full art cards I want are often around $20 which is enough to me to feel valuable/special but affordable. And so many new cards look incredible.
Important note - I only collect cards that I use in decks, I don't have the desire for cards that sit on shelves, cards need to have more of a purpose for me. And my favorite part of the hobby is deck building and playing.
The SV era is the best start to any era in a very very long time!! Whatever about "the easy" pull rates, the art from SV base to Paradox Rift is far superior than Platinum & Diamond and Pearl Base, HearGold & SoulSilver Base, B&W Base, XY base, S&M base and SWSH base.
The hate on this era so far is great for me as I can get the great art chase cards for the price of 2-4 loose packs. In time however people will come back and love to open the set, collect all the chase cards and want binder pages of the SIR Pokemon and Trainers.
Same, I don't care about the prices not being high. I love the artwork on the cards!
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way OKJluv. I personally am happy this change has happened. And it's easy to love the hobby still if you simply just ignore the douches in the hobby and don't pay attention to hype.
Hit rates for 151 are just fine. People just expect too much. Luck is sometimes good, sometimes bad.
Does anyone want the 2020 hype to come back?!? I'm happy that it's only genuine fans left and we can find whatever product we want on a store shelf. If value is why people collect... they collect for the wrong reason. Everything you said in this video is positive if I'm being honest.
That’s my feeling. 151 has “bad pull rates” but that shouldn’t matter if you’re an actual collector. If anything that should make the feeling THAT much better when you finally pull that elusive card you’ve been wanting to find. We just live in a world where people want that instant gratification, and if you don’t get it and then the set isn’t good apparently
@@M1XEDBAGexactly. I've opened over 500 packs of Evolving Skies and I've only pulled 2 alt arts. My luck with that set was trash but it's still the 2nd best set of all time. I think people just get salty when they don't get what they want like you said. I've pulled 4 alakazam SIRs and 1 Erika's Invitation SIR from about 120 packs of 151... that's not bad at all really.
Solid video as always. I knew investors were getting out of it when i was and still am easily able to find 151 on shelves. I had some fire hits in my UPC and ETB. If this means singles prices come down I'm all for it. Now I'm salty that i spent $20-30 on certain SV1 cards that are now like $10 max lol. Oh well.
I collect only the old cards from the 90's but ngl the SV art rares art are pretty sick
Wasnt expecting such a banger. Let him cook!
just got into collecting again after like 10+ years and ive been having a great time, lot to love about the new sets and ive enjoyed playing the game as well. there are so many good illustration rares its absurd
I'm glad I only collect for fun. Don't get me wrong; it's a great feeling to pull a rare, valuable card, but it's more fun to complete a set with just booster packs
I hated school and home growing up pokémon for me is a nostalgia thing as it brought me some happiness I loved collecting I stopped collecting for 14 years because I moved overseas I recently started collecting again and will say I love the artwork compared to the first generation the new cards are literally little bits of art the attention of detail is amazing.
Great video, watched it with great interest. Another thing what I find strange is that when they launch a new set, there's likely a video game with the same Pokemon release, but the Pokémon cartoon shows on TV still recycle old material with older generation Pokemon in different areas. Having young kids, they still love those shows and I think that might benefit the general interest of a new era as well.
This was a very good video as someone who got into Pokemon card collecting back in 2020 I've definitely seen the shift in the community I used to hunt for the top cards( which I did pull the alt art Blaziken VMAX from chilling pain) but I've now learned to appreciate other special cards regardless of the price and love opening casually now
Why is it that every fandom has a seeming majority of people that constantly complain about how the new stuff is so incredibly bad?
@@wismuel cause they’re sooks who don’t appreciate how good things actually are and how disrespectful it is to blanket label artwork “bad” despite the amount of effort put into producing it, just because they’re stuck in the past
20:18 deeppocketmonster’s affinity for houndoom is one of the purest things on the poketube, imo it’s like watching a full grown man reset to a lil kid when he finds one he’s been looking for
I like collecting the cards because I just like the cards and artwork. The potential of getting a huge ROI is not my priority.
Some very good points made here. I am at a position where buying packs doesn't make much financial sense for playable cards. But, the draw of pulling multiple hits within one pack is very tempting. Keep up the top content dude 💪💪
Players don't really ever buy packs unless they also collect heavy. It's never financially smart to rip packs for playing cards.
Sealed cases to hold many years are the best. Most cards have shit centering and so on, sealed is nice to hold
I have always loved opening mystery stuff and is always exciting finding rare pulls from pokemon packs..
I lost fun because of Investors poisoning the hobby. Honestly it feels so exausting and even disguisting if it's full of overly rich NFT/crypto/Tehcbros just hussling around every discord and forum. Chasing/INVESTING/talking about these kids toys like it's some sort of a serious buiseness.
I left everywhting i was visiting - every discord (the worst places with such people) - left all forums and channels (yours ad that "hey virgin gang" - guy are the only 2 i still watch) and slowly finishing Lost Origin and Silver Tempest master sets without caring about garbage fake hype anymore.
I never been so happy collecting cards. Just chilling and doing stuff i like.
Deep Pocket Monster is the living embodiment of everything that’s wrong with Pokémon. Nothing against him, I honestly feel bad for people like him. Just like everything else in our modern society, things are having their purpose replaced by simply flipping it for profit. Houses, concert tickets, trading cards.
Everything is losing is raison d’être and being used as an alternative investment.
Fooookkkkkk.
I believe that theres so much diversity within the collectors that there will always be someone who loves it and always someone who dislikes it. Love your content, so different from other UA-camrs and its just nice that you show all the artwork and the artists
And that s why 151 is a good set. Hard to find rare cards
Nah, I got back into collecting this year after 5 years of investing my money in other stuff, and honestly I'm having a blast with the new Alt arts. I also know a ton of new people joining that have never collected Pokémon cards, that are ripping packs left and right. The demand and attraction is still there especially for newer generation (like its meant to be). Maybe its not "as fun" for people that are weird and want life to always stay the same, but honestly I think Pokémon is doing a pretty good job at adapting to the times.
bro i’m only 3 minutes into this vid and had to pause caz this is insane… the amount of work that went into this vid 😳😳 loving it man, excited to finish
Im back into collecting pokemon after 3yrs of not doing so and i can safely say of the 20yrs I've collected pokemon on and off this is the most fun ive had. Simply because im not "chasing" anything or getting wrapped up in the hype of what everyone else "wants" as someone who is catering their collection behind getting every full art trainer every produced in english and collecting every alt art and new illustration stuff they make it gives me a clear goal an im not stressed about pulling some chase card or something crazy. I just stay with what makes/brings me joy. But to each their own and everyone will feel a way about what they are in the hobby for! Good thing is those who sour from the hobby can always come back, this hobby and franchise has been in my life since i was a young kid and likely will be until I'm old lol.
@okjluv I totally agree with you on the new sets, it does feel different. I’ve never opened cards in the gambling sense of trying to make money back by flipping the card right away. I open to collect and have them sorted in binders perfectly (ocd here).
The S&V sets don’t have that “hit” feel. I don’t know what it is, but you explained it very well. When I opened the gengar from fusion, moltres & blaziken from chilling and the Charizard from xy. Those hits felt special, my fiancé also rips with me and she doesn’t seem to stoke anymore opening packs. Super bizarre.
Anyways always appreciate you and your content. Much love my dude! Let me know if your ever in so cal!
I'm all for this. These are games, not investment strategies.
LETS GOOO! @ 20:10 Thats us!!!!! Fantastic video. LAYING DOWN THE FACTS!!! ❤❤❤ Much love all the way from the USA!
"The cards are too easy to find" has got to be just about the dumbest thing I've heard people say. I hope the designers never listen to these idiots. Investors will never be nothing but poison for TCGs. They are extremely fickle. And treating a hobby as a financial investment is one of the studidest things ever.
Absolutely a cooked video here. Can tell a lot of thought and effort went into making this. This year has definitely been the best year for a while when it comes to the artwork of Pokemon cards. With new artists coming in that instantly grab your attention, to the old classics, there is something for everyone who actually enjoys the collecting side of the hobby. With prices coming down, hopefully the people who were bought out of the hobby can return and start enjoying it again at what some people will say its peak, or even start playing the game, which has sparked the interest in the hobby for many people again, including myself.
Prices won't ever be the exact same as what they were at the start of 2020, but we can hope to get close to it again.
Great video and great points made! Only thing I’ll say is that I’ve managed to make back more money on 151 than any other set through SV and SwSh. Had my 1 biggest day of sales on my store ever with 151 singles. People are seemingly desperate to complete the set and strangely the IRs, Full Arts and SARs have gained significant value (some IRs hitting $50-$60), at least here in Australia. It’s definitely seems to be an anomaly though as things are back to standard with Paradox and $10 IRs again.
I find myself torn - as a master set collector I enjoy not spending as much money, but a part of me does miss the Hunt. End of the day though I think I’ll take the cheaper option.
Great video man! Basically at the end of the day, passionate collectors are thriving while flippers/scalpers are crying. 🙌🏻
Great video & Analysis! Its hard for old and new collectors right now. At least modern art is beautiful! I'm living right now for AR's right now!
Had to comment twice because I love the Persona music in the background too. That aside, I really love the passion and story telling in this video. Good job brother
Art Work is straight Fire. Ever since they introduced Alt arts, the art just keeps getting better and better. I Dont enen Know most of these new pokemon but am in love with their cards.
Funny enough SV has honestly really brought me back into collecting altogether! I stopped right at the start of XY in the past and was intimidated in the 2020 era as card prices were high but now I can collect some of my new (and old) favorite Pokemon for relatively decent prices! I even got into the competitive scene because deck list have become more avalible with stuff like the League Battle Decks and not as much single hype. What a lovely video that made me think about this all again.
I am so happy that the hype from 2020 has ended, that’s the reason I gave up from collecting. Now with the new scarlet and violet era, I’m back baby, BACK!!!
If the set has a high pull rate, the cards that are hits usually cost less than a boost pack. No point in opening up a pack in hopes for a card or opening a box for a card if you could just get the card itself
Im actually loving the sets that are coming out. The ppl that arent having fun are the investor ppl and the clout chasers
At least Japanese booster boxes are going down now to get back to buying em
@@PixiemonCards agreed like opening sub 60$ raging surf was the best
@@romanopenscards8457 now just waiting on 151 Japanese to come down 🥲
Sweet video bro. Agree with all your points. Personally for me, I pick and choose what sets to collect and open up. A group of friends and I hang out once every couple months to just open packs together and have fun seeing what kind of cars we all pull. So
We are still having heaps of fun hunting and not feeling fatigue with all the sets that are out in the market.
In my opinion, values have driven some ( me atleast ). Though I dont sell, knowing I got my money back, makes me happier. Now, its $7 a pack where I live and thats not acceptable anymore. 151 has become $20+ and like who the hell wants to buy that.
The problem is people are opening waaay too many packs and spending so much on product, so of course it's gonna get boring and cards aren't gonna seem rare
To the average collector like me who doesn't have infinite money, the new sets are fine, rare cards aren't impossible but still rare
People's dopamine receptors are fried is what I'm trying to say, take it slow and don't buy 4 cases of booster boxes every set and I promise you'll enjoy the hobby more
Want rare cards but low pull rate, complain. Want rare cards but high pull rate, complain. Honestly, people like these not only ruin the hobby but aren't collectors themselves. If you love Pokemon cards, you don't care about the investment, stupid sealed booster boxes, or the hunt. You just buy it because you enjoy it. End of discussion.
amen
I remember evolutions like yesterday, no one wanted it and it was overprinted (hype was dead after x and y). Now it’s 1k, it just goes to show you that you never know what will go up in value and what people want in the future
The thing is, there isn't much difference in high value cards compaired to middle ground cards. Popular pokemon drive the cost of cards more than anything, and modern sets still have those rare popular pokemon. Yes the rare pull rate is higher, but they still have even rarer cards to find and personally for more casual collectors, ones who don't want to dump thousands into it, it feels better to come out with something than openning 30 packs with maybe 2 ex cards
I have never been more excited to open Pokémon Cards in my life. More cards + better pull rates means I have easier access to cards for my decks and the cards I’m collecting. Finding cards I want is fun.
Let´s be honest: If you are coming from Yugioh, you will absolutely enjoy an equal distribution among the highest rarity cards. Because short printed secret rares in Yugioh are insanely demoralizing.
Nothing will bring back the hype of 2020. That was a lightning in a bottle scenario. Pokemon is still more advanced than in 2019 however and sells better for sure than back then. Vintage is more fleshed out as is modern. We are seeing much more sophisticated collectors in the market overall which is a good thing.
not fun for those ppl, but opening packs and seeing the nice artwork has been really fun for me and that's all that matters
The thrill of the hunt! I wasn't ready for the poetic zoom in shot @18:24
Well done video and analysis! I like that you covered a lot of points and I agree with most of them. I collect mainly for the art so I'm quite happy with SV era. I think it's too early to compare SV to SW since the former just started. Evolving skies is also quite an anomaly so almost anything you compare against it will be in its favor. I personally don't want another set like Evolving skies in terms of pull rates and hype. I personally have more fun opening SV to SW. SW may have higher highs, but it also has lower lows aka evolving cries. With the introduction of ARs, there is also a lot more choices for chase cards. In early SW, my chase are mostly the alternate arts. Finally, inflation is likely hitting some collectors that started from SW.
I feel the biggest draw to a lot of videos is just to bait people in and listen to nonsense. The art is so wildly amazing these days that the only downside is the size of the sets and rates to master a set is so unobtainable that leaves so many in the dumps about it. Granted i collected 20+ years ago and literally just picked up my be all end all grail card from my childhood; University Magikarp, over the last few years, these new sets have been so amazing, learning to actually play the TCG has made the cards so much fun. The community, the hunting, the chasing, the good and bad… i think people get too close minded and overlook the amazement there is sitting in front of us all. Amazing video, thank you for sharing!
Pokemon sets are cyclical. Once they stop printing and are no longer on the shelves, and the style of rare cards are no longer in the new release sets, they boost in price.
Absolutely phenomenal video, the pacing was perfect & hit the nail on the head.
As someone who only every really buys singles & hunts for niche cards, this generation of pokemon has been wonderful for me. and as someone learning and playing the TCG the prices on new good cards being low is fantastic (compare it to Yu-Gi-Oh where some core cards were in 3 figures). I will still buy the odd pack or ETB buy i open it with friends and have a laugh about it, not a profit hunt that some choose to do.
10/10 Jluv.
I collected when pokemon first came out, then stopped after gen 3 because I grew up into Yugioh, now that 151 is here, it is that nostalgia trip, but my daughter is getting into pokemon so it's worth getting back into it now that I have my daughter wanting to as well.
Logan Paul def did not influence me at all to get back into it 20 years later
About artwork of rare cards.... Yes, they do look better. No question there. But while EXs or Vmax or fullarts or whatever are arguably cooler looking. At least for me, nothing beats the hype of old ex cards.
There is 1 reason and 1 reason only why the boom of 2020 was so big; Pandemic.
The dip of end 2023 is already reversing as we speak, but expecting anything similar will be unrealistic, and it is unlikely for a 2020 boom to happen in that same way any time soon (or maybe ever) regardless of what is going on in pokemon internally.
And as a collector and lover of the pokemon themself, I am only glad for it. I even wouldn't mind if cards over 100$ did not exist.