Responding to Catholic Apologists on Purgatory
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Examining the passage most often quoted by Catholic apologists to defend the doctrine of purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3 is quoted by Tim Staples and Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers. It's even quote by pope Benedict in his 2007 encyclical "Spe Salvi". We are going to examine the passage thoughtfully to see what it really says.
Mike Winger is a pastor at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower, CA.
As an ex -catholic, purgatory is like a waiting room to pay for unconfessed and unforgiven sins. Your loved ones will pay for masses and hopefully help you into Heaven. The thief on the cross was a sinner yet he asked the Lord to remember him in His kingdom. What was Jesus response? TODAY you will be with ME in Paradise! Jesus said” It is finished!” He alone carried our sins on the cross and He alone will forgive us. Seek this day whom you will serve, man or GOD, religion or a true spirit filled relationship with Jesus. God loves you! Seek HIM and you will find HIM. The Bible is our truth not man made religions. God is faithful and true✨🙏🏻💖
Amen!
Amen! Ex catholic too best thing I ever did was leaving catholicism
@@chelsea14379 yup, leaving it makes you loose it.
Then where did the Bible come from ?
Dropped from heaven?
Has ever jesus said, refer bible and what ever I said is in bible. Follow a book?
Bible has come from people and mostly by Church.
It's like a toddler saying to his uncle that he is not even a man. 😀
@@TheMarymicheal , Your argument is Horrible. The bible comes from God Almighty Himself Not from your church. You were Indoctrinated Not Educated, you were told what to think not How to think.
2 Timothy 3.16-17 states that ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED OR INSPIRED, HE USED MEN TO WRITE THEM AS HIS INSTRUMENTS, BUT HE ALONE IS THE AUTHOR NOT YOUR CORRUPT MURDEROUS CHURCH.🧐
All you give is your opinion but have no backing from Scripture which is typical of Catholics like you and me when I was catholic. Sad!
The whole idea of us needing to suffer anywhere for our sins negates the promise that Jesus paid it ALL by voluntarily suffering for us.
That is a different gospel, and Paul is very clear about that.
So the blood of Jesus is insufficient to make payment for sin, but my Hail Marys may do the trick?
@ManAboutTown Jesus taught Purgatory several times. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus is an example. The rich man is in a place of awful suffering but not the hell of the damned. Firstly, he addresses Abraham respectfully as Father. But more tellingly he asks Abraham for help for himself initially but then asks help to save his brothers. No damned soul would wish salvation for anyone. Hell is a place of hatred and despair, not love and hope. Damned souls hate God and His creation. Even if given a chance no damned soul would wish to go to Heaven such is there total hatred of God. So obviously the rich man is not in the Hell of the damned. We also see the rich man grow in holiness from selfish prayer to selfless prayer for others. So he is being purged of selfishness and growing in charity, an impossibility for a resident of Hell. Souls are cleansed of lingering attachments to sin in Purgatory. Please pray for deceased loved ones as they may need your prayers on their journey to Heaven. Blessings
@ManAboutTown I’m just an ordinary Catholic but l believe we should pray for deceased loved ones. Jesus teaches Purgatory. In Luke12 Jesus tells the parable of the 4 servants. When the master returns one servant is saved, one is lost and the other two suffer varying degrees of punishment. Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Mike is a fine preacher but on this matter he errs. Blessings
@ManAboutTown Hardly an anecdote. The teaching of both Catholic and Orthodox Churches deserves more than careless dismissal. I don’t give my own opinion, l give the teaching of two ancient faiths backed up by serious Scripture analysis. Blessings
Thank You !!!
@@larryluch8178 that's the verse you're trying use to defend the idea of purgatory? That's stretch when read IN context. To me it reads more of end times. Talking about the Church.
We are saved by the work of Jesus, which was sufficient for all.
The grace of Christ is sufficient for all but we must use this grace to become holy and pure. If we do not, and let's face it most Christians do not, then we need Purgatory to cleanse us for Heaven. See 1 Corinthians 3:13-15.
Thank God for Purgatory! Without it only perfect people could go to Heaven (Revelation 21:27).
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh Did you watch the video?
@@sahmeerodies1686 No. All these anti-Catholic videos are all the same. Why should I waste my time watching them?
George Penton
If Mike shows you why you’re wrong about 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, would you change your mind? He addresses this passage in the video. He’s not bashing catholics or anything, he just explains what the passage is about, and corrects some errors that people make. Even if you watch the video and still believe it teaches purgatory, at least you know why people disagree, right? So either way you benefit.
@@ProMaxElite St. Augustine said 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 was about Purgatory. I doubt that Mike Winger is smarter or holier that St. Augustine.
The Corinthians chapter talks about a reward for work itself, not the person doing the work ...
We are saved by the blood of Jesus "It is finished"
PERIOD
Remain seated in your couch
You have nothing to do
But don t forget many are called but few Will enter the kingdom
@@agulu772 Works are a product of Faith. The CC teaches it is works that save you. They are wrong!!!
@@stever4181 why you lie
If you dont know please ask
Dont be foolish my friend
Without the catholic church you would have been a muslim or worst the slave of a muslim
We have peace with God through Jesus Christ. We have been Reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. Period.
Got some evidence?
Catholics who believe in purgatory would agree with you on that statement, so its not really relevant as it doesn’t prove/disprove any side.
The thing is, when saying the Corinthians passage was about purgatory, they say "you can't separate the works from the person". But that's all Jesus does! He takes on our sins, separating them from us. If He didn't then we couldn't go to Heaven, purgatory or not
@@ethanmoon3925 how much work is it for God to play Choose Your Own Adventure for thirty some years, then have a bad weekend sacrificing himself to himself for us, his creation, then demanding that we believe all of this on insufficient evidence while also being expected to worship this hidden god?
And JESUS tells us in MATT 25 that we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. In MATT 19:17 he tells us we must keep the commandments and in JOHN 6 he tells us we must eat his flesh & drink his blood
A catholic called me a blasphemer for asking him to show me purgatory in the bible 🤣🤣 🙏✝️
Forgive him he hasn't gotten over the fact that his organization can't burn people at the stake anymore for wanting to read the Bible
Its almost impossible to speak to Catholics about scriptures because they never read the Bible. Their highest authority is not Jesus Christ its the Catholic Church its there religion.
They are raised from infants to believe this stuff. It gets ingrained in them and it's hard to get rid of it.
I know how hard it is to shake off Catholic Beliefs. I left that Church when I was around 15 or 16. I still find myself with some residual stuff. I am now 72 years old.......
@@caroleimani9754 , I hear you, I left at 30 after years of reading and studying Scripture. Your life changes when you believe the real gospel of Jesus Christ, the new birth or born again. But yes very hard to leave because you go against family and friends.
Biblically speaking, the concept of Purgatory is completely useless.
If the point of Purgatory is to "purge" sin from the believer, then it is redundant because the blood of Jesus has already done that before God. Further, once we die, we lose our sinful flesh. At the resurrection we will be given a new form. No Purgatory is necessary.
Well said 🔥
Just because we lose our sinful flesh does not mean we are now sinless and purified. Those damned to hell also lose their “sinful flesh” but that doesn’t mean they get to go to heaven, does it? Mathew 10:28 says our “soul and body” is destroyed in hell. So both those in heaven and hell lose their sinful flesh and take on some spiritual, eternal bodily form, but how come some people go to heaven and some to hell if everyone loses their “sinful flesh” that they have on earth?
Purgatory is not a way to purify our physical bodies, its Gods grace and love working within us to purify our very souls so that we may be “perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” in heaven.
@Super Genius Could you give a specific example of a biblical passage that Catholic apologists use to fit their beliefs? And how their interpretation contradicts other passages of scripture?
Purgatory does not exist but there is 2 biblical waiting places, theres paradise and theres the grave, i believe catholics have taken this concept of the grave and have twisted it to their doctrines
@@slft47 The catholic church has twisted it. The catholic faithful just believe it because they love lies.
People need to also understand that reward and salvation are used to represent two completely different things in this passage.
Fair enough, what is the reward?
@@Qwerty-jy9mj well first off, salvation in this passage is unconditional. And the reward is conditional. But, the reward is not specifically defined. It will be a reward that we receive in heaven, which will come after* salvation
@@Hypnotoad206
Nobody is disputing that, but you would agree the man passes this judgement to test his works before the reward, correct?
@@Qwerty-jy9mj the “testing” done in this passage is referring to the ministry they’ve done in the name of Christ. So the testing is completely apart from salvation, which we agree on I guess. But what im saying is that the passage does not focus on salvation. It’s stating that those who are already being saved will go through judgment “as” a fire, noting a simile comparison.
@@Qwerty-jy9mj since the reward will be received in heaven, they have to be in heaven first, right?
Could you do an interview with a messianic Rabbi about Hanukkah and the Passover and how it relates to communion or the Lord’s supper?
If you have any questions about Messianics just ask me I know about that faith
Zev Porat?
Pergatory is part of the great Roman Catholic machine where you're kept in submission of earning grace by works and paying for penance. There is ne assurance of forgiveness or salvation. Between sacraments - indulgences & pergatory our Catholic brothers & sisters are kept in this cyclical process.
It's almost like they are kept in purgatory now 😔 We have to pray for them
John that is absolutely the sad truth of it.
@@MaggieBernard3
And we are praying for you.
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
If we had to go through purgatory to cleanse us of our sin then why did Jesus die on the cross???
True, then there would be no Satan and no hell
I’ve been reading C. S. Lewis’s ‘The Great Divorce’ recently, and so far in my reading it has described a ‘grey town’ which is identified as Hell but which could also be described like purgatory, as there is a way out. Without getting too much into it, the way out of this town is through Jesus. Many people, not wishing to put in the effort of purification or being too ser in their ways, opt to return to Hell rather than reach Heaven.
If something similar were to be the case, the only reason there is a purgatory-like process would be because of Jesus. Otherwise it would simply be Hell, with no way out.
Bingo!!! Roman Catholicism Preaches Another Gospel. Does the blood of Jesus Christ CLEANSE Us from All Sin ( 1John 1.7), or do you Atone or CLEANSE or Purge for your own sins in Purgatory?? Another Gospel my friends!!!
@@ThrowAway271 Shut up
@Super Genius Oh yes that can be!
Mike, thank you for explaining this using actual verses. As a former Catholic, many people online tell me we must go to purgatory to be cleansed before we can experience God's presence. My instinctual answer is always, “No, you're negating the power of Jesus dying on the cross for us. Paying the ransom for us. Shedding His blood for us. He is enough, if we are saved and live our lives as He commands.” When I was a cafeteria Catholic, I just took purgatory on faith since my education in church ended around age 11. But it was easy to sin as a young adult, because I had purgatory as a fallback. That's a slippery slope. My soul was in serious danger. Had I died then, I was destined for hell. Because now I know purgatory doesn't exist. I've studied the Bible, been saved, both again, and my life is completely different because of Jesus Christ. Please keep reaching people. It's vital for salvation.
So, let me see if I got this right. You claim that when you were supposedly a Catholic, you picked and chose for yourself what you wanted to believe. Now, as an adult, you pick and choose what you want to believe as a Protestant.
No...She had some kind of Catholic "education" until age 11. Then she "fell away" from the Catholic religion and eventually became a "born--again" Christian where she finally STUDIED the Bible. Did you even read her comment?
Maybe instead of "born--again,". I should say: "saved," Basically they are the same.....
@@caroleimani9754 Well see, if you say born again, then the catholics would have to take it literally... born again... because they literally believe the body of Christ is in their communion service...
I experienced the presence of God the moment I was born again.
But for Catholics who don't believe you can experience the presence of God until you go through purgatory just point out the miracle of tongues in the book of Acts.
They ALL clearly experienced God's presence.
We barely understand a single thing about the afterlife. Heaven, hell, Sheol, the abyss, etc. In the Old Testament things like Sheol and the pit. In the NT heaven, hell and concepts like "the third Heaven" which Paul briefly mentions only to say he didn't even know if he went there physically or just in a vision.
If God gave Paul the vision or clear sight of Heaven and even Paul couldn't understand it. How the heck can we understand it.
Jesus spoke plenty about the next life, so I'm guessing that we really can understand at least a fair amount about it, certainly enough to know which place we want to go to when we die. Paul was overwhelmed by the glory of what he saw, but that's not necessarily the same as saying that he was ignorant of what he say (i.e., did not understand it). God bless! :)
Im sure we will have plenty to learn about after ee finish this part of our life
@@Myrdden71 he talked a lot, but it all gives more questions. He told us what we need to know, not everything we may what to know.
@@marvalice3455 What did the crazy man of the bible say we NEED to know? My favorite stories about him people deny are written in all bibles. Save us from what? He was just paranoid and wrong about things and did not know telling lies he believed was lying. he was not Jewish but he said he came to save people who were Jewish from the world ending 2 thousand years ago in their lifetime. Being wrong about many things is not the path to Salvation.
@@somewhatinformed1208 "he wasn't Jewish"
um, what?
The foundation that Paul and Peter were talking about is Jesus and Him only.
The foundation is not the papacy nor any other person.
We build our faith and trust in Jesus, He is the foundation and He sustains us !!!!!!
All who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved - not partially saved - just like u cannot be partially pregnant
Well I think you're partially right. Matthew 7:21-23 says not all that call on him are saved. But your point still stands
@@treychastain4686 Romans 10:13 says, “ For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Jesus says “ All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out” John 6:37
The Matthew verses you mentioned are people who are boasting on works to enter the kingdom, they are unbelievers who have not accepted the finished work of Christ.
@@treychastain4686 In context Jesus is speaking first of the broad road, which is the religions of the world (works based systems) Then he speaks of false teachers and then immediately after that he mentiones the scriptures you quote above. So what I am seeing from full context is there will be false teachers who teach the wrong Jesus, and those will think they belong to him, and they don't, in fact, he never knew them.
@@bairfreedom agreed
There are many other biblical mandates that protestants skip over. In MATT 25 Jesus tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked if we want to enter heaven. In M ATT 19:17 He tells us we must keep the commandments and in JOHN 6 He tells us we must eat his flesh and drink his blood . etc
I'm immensely, consistently thankful for how you break down scripture and shed light on it where people often miss key points, and do so in defense of the faith. This is immensely helpful to me as a Christian and it helps edify my own confidence in God's word and my ability to defend it. Thanks Mike.
We have been purged by the blood of JESUS, PURGATORY denies the sufficiency of the cross
Sorry, Living Water- the Cross brought you undeserved pardon. So God is no longer angry at you, but you can't get away as easily, Say, you rob from ,me $100. You come and apologize. I pardon you - that is I will consider you as my friend again -- but you still have to give me back the $100. Suppose Hitler at the moment he died accepted Jesus as his Lord and Saviour - Presto: his sins are erased and he will live with Jesus for all eternity as a born again Christian. Would that be just?? Would that entitle him to share an armchair near Mother Theresa?? Oviously not - he'll have a very very long time experiencing in purgatory all the harm he caused.
@@voltape that is a lie from the pits of hell,, thenthief on the cross is perfect example,,,
Mala Maraj You fail because you make assumptions about the thief on the cross... Jesus knew the life of the man as well as his huge act of faith. ..... we know the life of Hitler which according to you would be saved if he declared Jesus as his God and saviour
@@1234poppycat what stupidness r u speaking of, that thief went 2 heaven the second he died,, the other one went 2 hell, JESUS 4gave the thief who ask 4giveness of HIM,, the other one didnt ask, so he didnt get any,, ok
Again you do not understand. Jesus forgave the repentant thief because he had repented and praised Jesus but Jesus knew of his previous life up to that point.
I think the problem with Catholic doctrine is the tendency to take verses out of context and to not compare scripture to scripture. From my examination of videos and writings which, admittedly, is not exhaustive, I get the impression that they greatly downgrade the efficacy of the blood of our glorious Savior Jesus Christ. That's why I particularly love the books of Hebrews and Romans which are what I call sister books. Hebrews says that "by one offering he hath perfected forever those who are sanctified." Those who believe that we have any part in
Luke 12: 41-48 - May be Jesus's most important teachings regarding the next life. Don't forget the ending - 47-48. Now why would Jesus teach of more than two levels of judgement? Not just heaven and not just hell - but somewhere else - I wonder where that might be?
Purgatory is not a "level of judgment". If you are on your way to Heaven but not perfect you will need to be purified. Otherwise, according to Revelation, you can't get in.
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➔ The entire foundation of Protestantism is false:...
➔The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● 2 TIMOTHY 2 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast HEARD from me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● COR 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
● HEBREWS 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
2 COR 5:20 says that God appointed men in the Church to represent Him. And, in HEB 13:17, God appointed men in the Church to have the rule over His Flock.
● JOHN 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have SAID unto you. (Spoken words...not in writing)
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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➔ Martin Luther vs the Bile
(Protestantsm, the broad and easy way that leads to hell)
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by Cynthia x)
➨WORKS:
👉👉 EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV)
Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9
👉👉 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
👉👉 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
MOREE scriptures that demand good works from us:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORK shall be.
● REV 19:8
And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● ROMANS 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV)
Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9
and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● ACTS 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● ACTS 2:38-40: (This one is in the Catholic Bible) Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
● COLOSSIANS 1:24-2:7 kjv
24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Protestants claim that "Jesus did it all" and that nothing is required of them except for faith, but JESUS tells us we must feed the hungry & clothe the naked (Good works) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God, and if we do NOT, we will be sent away into the eternal fire.
● Colossians 1:24 Tells us we share in the suffering of Chrst
24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the c● hurch,
● Acts 14:22
22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
Yeah...and wrong.🙂
Purgatory is clearly evidenced in 1 Peter 3:18-20 ...Jesus went to preach to spirits in prison who disobeyed .. during the time of Noah, what is this ... called ?
@@dotengr that would be sheol, friend. you know, where hades and abraham's bossom was. if that's what catholics mean by purgatory, it ended when Jesus was crucified. do catholic priests teach any jewish concepts? if not, no wonder there are so many heretical false doctrines.
@@dotengr have a question for you. why are the Scriptures which catholics refer to for the doctrine of purgatory all in the old testament? even 1 peter 3 :19-20 references the old testament.
The only way into Jesus kingdom is by calling on Jesus directly like the thief next to Jesus. We just call out for mercy admitting that we are sinners needing a savior. It is by grace that we are saved or rescue from the kingdom of darkness and brought into Jesus kingdom.It is nothing of ourselves but it’s the gift of God Ephesians 2:8,9. Once Jesus snatches us from darkness Colossians 1:13 then our Christian lives begin. We are now in Christ or it is no longer we who live but Christ Jesus now lives in us. We are no longer in the Adams family but in Christ Jesus.St Peter tells us that we are to be living stones of the spiritual temple 1 Peter 2:4.Call on Jesus now and make the big step into Jesus kingdom
Jesus is the way ,the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.There is only one mediator between God and mankind the man Christ. Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for the sins of the world 1 Timothy 2:5
Amen
Thank you brother
The thief didn’t exist in the New Testament. We have theology he didn’t have
Calling with a repented heart
Purgatory is an imaginary second chance for a false religion. If your false God isn't strong enough to save you, try worshipping the one true God and savior Jesus Christ.
great comment !!! Roman Catholics need to believe in the Jesus of the Bible.
Hi....so this is your interpretation of this pasages in the Bible... It is not what the Bible says, it is what you think it says...
I would like to ask your interpretation of the Parable of the Faitfull Steward (Luke 12:42-48).... Could it be that there is something that easily could be interpreted as some third state that is not Hell or Heaven ... pardon my English
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I'd recommend you watch "Purgatory in the Bible" by Dr. Brandt Pitre. After you hear the Catholic explanation, decide.
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
@@christsavesreadromans1096the exact verse is "as IF only through fire"
@@Mink_Tracks No, most translations don’t phrase it that way.
Here are 3 of the most literal, word for word translations available.
NASB: “but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
ESV: “though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
KJV: “but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”
What you said about Luther is spot on! I had a Catholic tell me that Luther was a horrible person and had really weird beliefs so I should not be Protestant! I said, Luther is not my authority! Only scripture alone! I don’t learn everything from early church fathers, priests, the reformers, or anyone else! Only Jesus and His Word
YOU = What you said about Luther is spot on!
ME = When ex-Catholic monk, Martin Luther who had belonged to the strict Augustinian order which practiced severe penances, broke away and started the Protestant Reformation, he changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels to the " cherry-picked " passages in the other NT letters, mostly Paul's epistles, and moved from Practical Christianity to a Philosophical version which was devoid of the Cross and reduced it to a " Easy Christianity and Cheap Grace " version.
Jesus defined a Christian = Must take up one's Cross daily, deny oneself and follow in His footsteps.
On the other hand, Luther declared " Sola Scriptura " or the authority of the Bible alone thus ignoring Oral Tradition. For Christ died between 30 to 40 AD whereas the earliest Gospels of Mark and Matthew were written over 25 years after, during which time Oral Tradition was the guiding force. Moreover, John 21:25 declares that Jesus did a = world of works = which are unrecorded. Thus Paul stated that there were 2 traditions = oral and written = Thessalonians 2:15. Thus by only holding to the written tradition. the Bible, Protestants are only receiving part of the message For Jesus is the Word of God = John 1:1 = who was sent by The Father as the Way Truth and Life and to teach us how to reach Heaven. And words can be spoken as well as written. The Bible only contains the written word.
Protestants believe that Jesus paid for all sin, as we could not pay the sin debt. Jesus paid it all once for all. And they sadly believe that God will forgive, not only sins against God, but also sins against Neighbour.= Check Matthew 6:14-15 and Matthew 18:32-35.
I urge you to read a Red-Letter Bible precisely to clear any misunderstandings you have about being " saved." I present the examples of Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st Christian - Faith - community who were "executed " by God for just dishonesty and lying - Acts 5. And this occurred just a short time = after = Jesus' Heavenly ascent.
And Jesus' threat to spew out and vomit the lukewarm Laodicean church - Rev 3. Obviously, these people were = not = saved. Moreover, the final judgement is based on works of Love = Matthew 25. This statement is by Jesus, God and Judge.
Protestants have long been weaned on Paul's letters and wrongly equate " saved " with being granted "heavenly citizenship." This is despite the fact that Paul stated in Galatians 5:19-21 that Christians who do works of the flesh will = not = inherit the kingdom of God. In other words they will not receive heavenly citizenship.
Protestants base their theology - their basic belief systems and doctrines, instead of the Gospels, on Paul's letters especially =For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; 9it is not from works, so no one may boast = Ephesians 2:8-9 = and have arrived at religious philosophy that is distant from practical Christianity.
Protestants believe that Jesus came to earth to die and take away all sins and its guilt association. His cry - It is finished - proved that human redemption from sin was completed, and that those who believe in Jesus would have their names forever written in the Lamb's Book of Life and at the time of death, they would be - absent in the flesh, present with the Lord forever - no matter how many or how grievous they committed sins. Others would be caught up and - raptured - to be with Jesus forever. Thus the promise of salvation was God's free gift - grace - to them.
From the Oral Tradition, Catholics believe that when Adam and Eve sinned, God not only cast them from Eden, and laid - Original Sin - on all their descendants, but also slammed the gates of Heaven shut. God then required that a man must pay the penalty of the man Adam's sin in order to atone for the Original Sins of mankind and thereby open Heaven's gates. However, no man was found to be worthy - sinless - so in the fullness of time, God sent His Son, Jesus, to live sinlessly and die to pay that penalty.. It is finished - was Jesus' cry of Mission accomplished and that Heaven was now open. And that all = original = sins of those past, those present and those still unborn would be forever wiped away. And that Baptism is a one-time - Grace - event that washes all prior sins - 1 Peter 3:21 - However, we are responsible for all sins after, as evidenced by God's " execution " of the couple Ananias and Sapphira from the 1st Christian Faith community for the relatively " minor " sins of dishonesty and lying. And this occurred just a short time = after = Jesus' heavenly ascent. Saved by grace is thus Jesus' freewill offering of Himself to pay the penalty of Adam's sin and thereby open the gates of Heaven.
Jesus commanded, not suggested, the love of God and neighbour. The Cross is the symbol of Love. The vertical beam represents our Love of God and the horizontal beam, our Love of Neighbour. Thus the cross has become the key to open Heaven which is a place of unconditional love where all other virtues of peace, joy, happiness can be enjoyed.
@@loboman8029 sorry I’m definitely not reading all that, but I respect your beliefs
@loboman8029 wait so he removed the Gospels????????😂😂😂😂😂 oh no they're still there
@@therealmaskriz5716 Friend = Where did I say Loser, I mean Luther, = removed - the Gospels ???
What I said was that Loser, I mean Luther, = changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels = Re-read
When ex-Catholic monk, Martin Luther who had belonged to the strict Augustinian order which practiced severe penances, broke away and started the Protestant Reformation, he changed the focus from Jesus in the 4 Gospels to the " cherry-picked " passages in the other NT letters, mostly Paul's epistles, and moved from Practical Christianity to a Philosophical version which was devoid of the Cross and reduced it to a " Easy Christianity and Cheap Grace " version.
@@loboman8029 how can you change focus from the Gospels to the epistles they're both still in our bibles.
The catholics use the epistles themselves to argue for purgatory and such.
It's such a nonsense take.
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I like to make sure people understand me when I comment or speak.
So let me spoon fed it to you.
In Matthew 12:32, Jesus says: “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the next.”
Note, “it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the next.”
This verse shows that some sins are possibly forgiven in the afterlife.
Can't be in Heaven.
Because Revelation 21:27 tells us, Nothing impure will ever enter it,
So we know it can't be Heaven cause nothing impure can enter.
It can't be Hell either.
Because Matthew 25:46 tells us
"And these will go away into eternal punishment,
So we know it can't be Hell because that punishment is eternal.
If purgatory does not exist, what could Christ be talking about? Hmm?
Let the Bible be the Bible except when Jesus says his flesh is true food and his blood is true drink. I bring this up because you don't actually believe what you say. You have a lot of man made traditions and interpretations. You said we twist isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing when you are interpreting?
Nothing unclean enters heaven the Bible is VERY CLEAR. It is very difficult if not impossible to die with no sin. So Mike how does that happen? Even you will agree that if you say say a swear word right before death you cannot enter Heaven without some sort of sanctification.
Therefore there is a purification process. That process is what we refer to as purgatory.
It is biblical and it's proper.
While I appreciate your channel you mostly misrepresent the Catholic positions. I would recommend having Catholics on and having a real discussion.
Former Catholic myself, now born again simply because to me I feel Catholic is an occult. Now I have a relationship with my Lord and Savior.
If the Catholic church is a cult then so was Jesus and the apostles because we can prove with certainty that the Apostles taught every single successor Catholic interpretations of scripture. You won't find a protestant interpretation for 1600 years. This precludes protestantism from being Apostolic and is thereforn non-christian insofar as it disagrees with the one true church.
Scripture says every matter must be established by 2 or 3 witnesses:
Deuteronomy 19:15
"Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."
2 Corinthians 13:1
"Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses."
All of the witnesses in the first 16 centuries testify to Catholic doctrines and not protestant ones. Here is one example from St. Ignatius who was the disciple of john the apostle and was ordained by Peter himself as successor in Antioch. Notice he teaches the eucharist and the supremacy of the church of Rome:
Ignatius of Antioch
"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).
"...to the church also which holds the presidency, in the location of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and, because you hold the presidency in love, named after Christ and named after the Father" (Letter to the Romans 1:1 [A.D. 110])
come home to the church Christ instituted and promised would exist in every century as His teaching authority!
@@tysonguess Jesus was Jew. Not Catholic.
@@watchgoose
Those aren't mutually exclusive descriptions. A Jew (ie..Jesus) created the Catholic church. That means he was a Jew and the originator of the Catholic church which is a verifiable fact of history.
Catholics don't have a personal relationship with Jesus? Catholics actually eat Jesus' Body and drink His Blood. How can you get more personal than that?
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I've been watching some of your videos and I really like what you do and how you break things down. When the Catholic apologist say you can't separate the person from the works in order to try to redeem his viewpoint on purgatory....this is further proven by the word to be false. The scripture says even if the persons work is burned up they are still saved.....well according to the Catholic guy if the persons work is burned up so are they.....which is DIRECTLY and plainly refuted in same passage he is using. How can he not see that.
Personally now I understand what Jesus meant when he said 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I guess that's what happens when you make the word of God not your foundation for what's right but instead follow tradition and the Pope who literally can make up anything he wants and people have to believe it
When you get your information from ignorant Catholic haters you will not understand the Bible or Catholicism 1 There is no contradiction between the Bible and Catholic teaching. 2 The Pope can only make "infallibility" statements under very restricted cases and can not "make anything up he wants and people have to believe it" 3 Nothing in Catholicism can be refuted by the Bible as they do not contradict at all but complement each other. 4 You are basically saying a protestant who has been saved then leads a wicked murderous life is still saved and God can do nothing about that . No you are wrong…. Catholics believe God is all powerful !!!
@Craig Laycox Only the ignorant would come up with "Catholic deception"
@Craig Laycox so 700 years ago we had three people claiming to be the Pope. 400 years ago protestants were killing each other as well as Catholics who opposed them.
@Craig Laycox You don't know the definition of "infallible".
WID0WMAKER So where in scripture does it say “even if the work is burned up you are still saved” ... ???
Thank you for this very thorough clarification. Your hard work is such a blessing to me. May the peace and joy of the Lord be with you and your family 🙏🏻
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
@@christsavesreadromans1096Paul’s letter to Corinth has nothing to do with purgatory. Specifically in that text he’s simply critiquing the church of Corinth.
@@cameronmorris3347 It clearly mentions that a person suffers loss, and is saved but only as through fire. That sounds like purgatory to me.
@Alexandra Daudert *R Catholicism is a man made religion. Roman ct has nothing to do with God and His Words. R Catholic Church contradicts Scriptures in every possible ways!*
1. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But BIBLE says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10.
2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39.
3. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet BIBLE says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47.
4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to GOD only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10.
5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26.
6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet BIBLE says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19.
7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. BIBLE says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5.
8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians.
9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet BIBLE says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18.
10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”.
11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10.
12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10.
13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6.
14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it.
15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same GOD. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.
Well, after hearing Mike read 2Maccabees we can see why it is not considered to be inspired and is not included in the canon of Scripture.
Shalom,
Alan
Mike differentiates between Catholics and Christians when in fact Catholics are the original Christians and the Catholic Church is "The One True Church." The Catholic Church was established by Christ Himself when He said, "... I will build My Church." No man can start a church, not Luther, not Calvin nor any other man because only Christ can and He did, "The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church." All who want to come to Christ should come to the Catholic Church.
Protestants say Catholic doctrine is filled with humanly devised teachings, while Protestants say their teachings come from "the Bible alone." Protestants seem to believe they can infallibly interpret the Bible while at the same time contradicting themselves by saying that no man is infallible. There are many thousands of Protestant groups all claiming "God told them" what the Bible says and yet all have disagreements on what the Bible says. Does God tell different groups different things?
And how do Protestants even know they have the authentic Bible? Protestants who say no man is infallible still claim their humanly devised criteria can infallibly determine what books are in the Bible. But this cannot be true because fallible human opinion can never infallibly recognize which books are God-breathed Scripture. If God did not give the Catholic Church the infallible ability to recognize the God-breathed books when it put together the Biblical Canon, we could never know them.
Happily we can know which books are God-breathed and what is true Christian doctrine because God did give infallibility in matters of faith and morals to "The One True Church," the Roman Catholic Church. God Bless.
The Catholic church is an evolving thing which did not exist in the early church
@@Ggeg0000 Then what is the early church? It certainly isn't anything resembling a Protestant church.
@@9erGuy no true the early church was not Protestant and it was certainly not Roman Catholic either. The early church was the early church
If Jesus Christ What's it was not good enough for him to die for everyone Where to go to purgatory. Then Jesus Christ wasted his time To die For 4. John 316 It's a free gift.
@salachenkoforley7382 *You were already refuted that multiple times. 1. APostles did cite from NT. I had already provided the verses. 2. And "Scripture" in Original Greek "Graphe" refers to partial or full holy writ. Which means Scriptures = past or current or any future Scriptures. So it does not mean OT only.*
G1124 (Thayer)
γραφή
graphē
Thayer Definition:
1) a writing, thing written
2) the Scripture, used to denote either the book itself, or its contents
3) a certain portion or section of the Holy Scripture
*More childish comments. Bible does not need Exact Word for the doctrine to be there. Example Trinity. The word is not there but the doctrine is. Similarly Sola Scriptura.*
you said
I'm waiting for your answer. And Jesus and Apostles quioting from the Old Testament ONLY does not mean "Sola Scriptura" at all. You've already FAILED on that attempt numerous times. So please, show me a Bible verse that says "Sola Scriptura".
the story of lazarus and dives makes it clear , how you die is how you stay. if you die righteous you remain righteous and what you have done AS A RIGHTEOUS PERSON WILL BE TRIED to see what reward you get. if you die unrighteous that's it sadly.
Wait but what about the other Lazarus? The one who was brought back to life after 3 days? Either he went to heaven or hell and then was taken out of those places (which would contradict your point) OR for 3 whole days he was sent to neither heaven NOR hell, which raises a lot of questions about what exactly happens when we die.
@@thomasbailey921 I don't know what exactly happens and it's not as important as living righteously. the Catholic version of purgatory however is not substantiated by scripture.
@@godswordsaves7673 well, when you rip out Maccabees
@@thomasbailey921 You are "sleeping" when you die, until Jesus comes back.
@@biaferrarezi5585 so youre saying that you believe when you die you're in Limbo, then
Wow, I feel just awful for these believers. My heart goes out to them. This is why the Catholics are so Bible illiterate, and even if they read the word is not to truly respect I s absolute authority, this it’s mostly because the word of God is the authority the church must submit to, and they teach that the Roman system is the ultimate authority and the Pope is the head.
Obviously, they do not understand that we are the church weather we gather in a house or in a lavish , overly decorated, very expensive, made to impress & intimate building
Again I pray the Lord has mercy and they change these things , and I pray for the Lord’s mercy for us all
We would say the same about you Marlene. Jesus didn't give us a Bible, he gave us a Church. The Church pieced together the Bible in the name of Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit to the glory of God the Father. The Church preserved the Word of God, both in what was written and what was passed down. It stinks you live a Christian life with only half of what God wanted you to have.
@@Veritas1234 once that very same church assembled the works inspired by God both before and after Christ that church must submit to the authority of the works it has duly assembled and not go on a tangeant about tradition and perpetuate it needlessly all while adding extra-scriptural teachings and diluting the message of Christ. The church ought to keep it as simple and as biblical as possible. Unfortunately the Catholic church of today seems to be more the religious branch of Cesar than the one true church of Christ. What was eye opening for me was the poor response of the catholic church to stringent government measures and the shilling and imposition of vaccinations to both priests and congregants in certain locations. What is more important the body or the soul? The church artificially imposed limits on its doors because it fell under the authority of Cesar rather than under the authority of Christ.
@@Veritas1234 That's funny, God says,in Hebrews 10:7" Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.” Also, Christ was the WORD OF GOD and He gave us His Word. The Old and New Testaments were already complete and being used in Christ' time. The New Testament was also complete and being spread to the churches. That's how we know the Apocrypha books are uninspired books written long after the Prophets and apostles were dead.
@@yomedungngochoang2525 Near death experiences are no proof. People aren't even their right minds in those situations and hallucinate as well dream
God's Word says there no conciousness in death. Near death people still have brain activity, and people who claimed to go to heaven or hell when they "died" are clearly not speaking from reality or truth.
I'm in the middle of a debate on another channel at the moment, I gave lots of scriptures to challenge them, in one instant I wrote when Jesus was on the cross he said to the thief today you'll be with me in Paradise not today you'll be getting cleansed and purified so you can be with me in Paradise. But the answer I got was God is outside time and we don't know if Jesus really meant today🙄 you just can't argue with Catholics because they just believe in the authority of the church rather than the word of God in the Bible
@salachenkoforley7382 *You were already refuted multiple times. Paradise = heaven. Which other place has the tree of life? THe thief went straight to heaven. So why would there be Purgatory?*
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in *Paradise* ."
Rev 2:7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from *the tree of life,* which is in the midst of the *Paradise of God* ." '
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The *tree of life* was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the *tree of life,* and eat, and live forever"-
Gen 3:24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the *tree of life.*
you said
Luke 23:43
King James Version
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
----- many Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, there can be no purgatory. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection.
I looked into the 2 Maccabees 12 passage and have a couple concerns. First, would this not be a pre-christian practice? I think we would need a clear repetition post-resurrection to establish this as a practice we should do today.
Second, was the activity efficacious? We are given no indication that action accomplished anything. It says that they "might" be saved. Other than making their companions feel better about their fallen comrades, it does not tell us anything.
To be fair though, we're given no indication that saying the Believer's prayer saves your soul and gives you eternal security either, but I imagine you believe in that (depending on which Protestant denom you are). I think your first point is a good one though.
Read the story carefully. It has nothing to do with purgatory. The general was confused as to why all the platoon was killed because they were supposed to be on Gods side. They go to clear the bodies and find charms of other gods. He realizes they were committing idolatry and that’s why God didn’t protect them and they all died. So he sends a bunch of money to the church to try to get Gods wrath off of him and his men that are still alive. That’s it! And it’s doesn’t say even if it worked. In the Catholic Church idolatry is a mortal sin and you go straight to hell for that of you don’t confess it. You can’t give arms for people in hell and they can’t be saved. He wasn’t concerned about the people who died, after all they died committing a mortal sin. He was concerned about getting God’s wrath of him and his other soldiers.
@@sandina2cents779 The whole thing was a presumption on the general's part. He was trying to divine the will of God based on unstated connections with idols. You are right, it has nothing to do with purgatory and is over reaching to invent a belief based on this passage.
@@chrisazure1624 I don’t know how many Catholics told me second Maccabees taught purgatory before I actually looked it up and read the story. My argument was that second Maccabees was an apocrypha book. But I should’ve read the story the first time it was referred to me. I would’ve seen it had nothing to do with purgatory. After that I did have a three day conversation with a Catholic and in the end when she couldn’t find any more scriptures she said well the church said so. And I said Yep that’s my point. I don’t think she had actually read 2nd Maccabees, I think that’s the line they’re given and they go with it.
That's an Apocrypha book which are all filled with lies that contradict the Bible. Those books included in the Catholic bible were written hundreds of years after the Old Testament was closed and the New Testament was completed and the true prophets and apostles were dead. They were written to build false doctrines and undermine God's Word.
Mike, in fact, the septuagint canon was included in the earliest Christian old testaments (for example in the St Priscilla catacumb of the II century AD one of the paintings depicts a scene from Daniel chapter 13, absent from the hebrew bible). Not to mention that multiple quotes of the old testament in the gospels come from the septuagint canon.
In the early Catholic church
Catholics will not listen to Scripture alone. They refuse it and lean on church elders teachings etc.. that is the challenge I run into.
Thats because its not a Biblical teaching lol. It wasnt a teaching for 1500 YEARS in the church. The reformers added that garbage to scripture. The book of james refutes faith alone. This is why luther hated the book of james so much. It contradicted his views.
@dman7668 *Hilariously wrong. There was no actual word "purgatory" (which is fine). But neither was there a doctrine of purgatory in the Bible.*
*To prove purgatory, you need to prove the following:*
1. There is a place after death where Roman Catholics can atone for your sins.
2. Where in the Bible ever taught one can atone for their own sins?
3. If one can atone for their own sins, why did Jesus need to die on the Cross for our sins?
4. The thief at the Cross went straight to Paradise (heaven). Not Purgatory. Where is there time for Purgatory?
*Bible does not teach all the above 4 points.*
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Likewise we Catholics understand the doctrine of Purgatory is alluded to in Scripture.
Purgatory doesn't exist because no one has gone into the heaven where God resides but Christ alone.
The Bible is clear in that.
John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
All the dead are still in the grave till Christ returns.
The newly restored Earth will be the place the resurrected redeemed will live in eternity. The New Jerusalem will descend from above.
Wicked Catholic Pope's, even one Pope murdered another and many other wicked deeds have. proved by their fruits who they followed and it wasn't God.
That's why God's church isn't built on any man, and there is no such thing as apoptotic succession.
No mortal can stand in the place of Holy authority. Only Christ is the ROCK and even Judas wasn't fit and was called som of perdition.
John 17:12"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
I suggest to all reading all of John 17 and study it slowly and you will see Christ said the
ones God gave him, referring to his apostles, none were lost, except the son of perdition.
Besides other texts, this also proves there is no apostolic succession because the only apostles were the ones God called to document his birth, life and death and to wrote the inspired words in scripture.
In Revelation 21, the wall of the city is shown to have the twelve foundations and has the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Twelve is the number of perfection and completion. It represents a biblical truth and apostolic succession destroys this truth and mocks God's ordained order.
Christ said it is finished and he didn't need to add more apostles to add to his word already given. All sin is taken care of by Christ, not certain ones.
He told the apostles the Holy Spirit would bring to them a REMEMBRANCE of all he taught THEM.
What they wrote is the only inspired, true gospel we need to be concerned with.
Catholicism trys to interfere with God's only ordained order. Making disciples isn't making more apostles.
It's sharing what was given to the original and only apostles of Christ of which Paul is included because he was chosen by Christ himself who appeared to him as the resurrected living Christ.
The other apostles recognized as one of them and they were all alive to witness Christ, and that was one of the main criteria of being an apostle. No one since can claim that position.
AND GOD'S WORD STANDS ABOVE and PROVES ALL FAKES, such as the Apocryphal books.
You: All the dead are still in the grave till Christ returns.
Me: Except the "good" thief....and everyone else who has lived and died. When you die you leave time and go into eternity. Their bodies are in the grave but they will be resurrected on the last day.
You: Christ said it is finished
Me: What did the word "it" refer to?
You: AND GOD'S WORD STANDS ABOVE and PROVES ALL FAKES, such as the Apocryphal books.
Me: Please point me to chapter and verse of God's Word which shows me what books make up the Bible. If it stands "above" then it must verify its contents by itself.
@Bridgefin *1.The thief was not good. Jesus is good. 2. When one dies, the spirit returns to heaven, the body remained on earth to be resurrected when Jesus returns. 3. At resurrection, believers receive a spiritual resurrected glorified body. There is no place for purgatory.*
You said
SWW: All the dead are still in the grave till Christ returns.
you said: Except the "good" thief....and everyone else who has lived and died. When you die you leave time and go into eternity. Their bodies are in the grave but they will be resurrected on the last day.
@@bridgefin *Yes it did verify itself. Romans 3:1-2 says Scriptures was committed to the Jews. Jews till this day hold on to OT 39 books. Not 46. So R Catholics are totally wrong.*
you said
SWW: AND GOD'S WORD STANDS ABOVE and PROVES ALL FAKES, such as the Apocryphal books.
you said: Please point me to chapter and verse of God's Word which shows me what books make up the Bible. If it stands "above" then it must verify its contents by itself.
Purgatory is believed only in the Roman Catholic Church and not found within traditional Orthodox, evangelical doctrines, etc. Am I wrong?
As far as I can make out, orthodox Christians believe in different levels of hell and that hell isn't always permanent so that seems rather like purgatory
The teaching on purgatory is also found within the king James version of the Bible
Orthodoxy has probably something worse then purgatory - it is called tollhouses. They believe after death you are tested by demons at many tollhouses - corresponding to various sins, where demons tries to hook you
Purgatory is not a central doctrine of Catholicism. It is not, at all. It's an extremely small teaching in the grand scheme of things.
just a scam to raise money. Repeat a lie till people believe and repeat the lie. quick explanation of religious beliefs not JUST christian beliefs.
@Veritas1234 not according to my catholic friends
@@MarieKasinger What do they say Marie?
The word Trinity isn't in the Bible either but it's true
@salachenkoforley7382 *Why still no answer? Explain why there was NOT a single New Testament Church believer saved in a Roman Catholic way? Why?*
*Roman Church teaches Roman Catholics are saves this way:*
- submit to Roman pope to be saved
- devote to Mary to be saved
- be in Roman Church to be saved
- partake Roman sacraments to be saved
- do lots of good works to be saved
Dear Mike, I could not have explained it better...u r awesome to learn from as everything u teach is Bible-based!
all false religious beliefs are some how bible based.Yes after you read the bible you will never find a church mostly bible based. The Savior violated the 10 commandments till be was killed for helping the Jews who then loved him, Some rejected him because he was not Jewish.
@@somewhatinformed1208 That is one stupid comment .
@@donaldcooley897 I'm guessing my statement was stupid because it confirmed something you didn't know about the Bible and don't want to know.
@@somewhatinformed1208 What is it that I don`t know about the scriptures ? You don`t have to have a lot of biblical wisdom to know Christ did not violate the Ten Commandments . Most fundamental bible
Churches are based on scriptures . I didn`t
spend years studying scriptures and set and listen to some of the best Professors . Theologians . Evangelist and Pastors in the country come a way not knowing any thing about scriptures , I spent years on Radio and preached and taught in Churches as an
Evangelist . I don`t know every thing in the scriptures but the indwelling spirit teaches me through studying . so tell me what I don`t know about the scriptures , that I should know .
@@donaldcooley897 better if you learn the scriptures yourself instead of being spoon fed. He must learn to think for yourself and be aware that the internet has all the answers she seek concerning the Bible you simply have to ask. I was simply pointing out the parts of the Bible you deny are actually in the Bible.
RIP Catholicism
mackabees is clearly not scripture... just listen to it
@salachenkoforley7382 *Cite me one New Testament believer saved in a Roman Catholic Way (submit to Roman pope to be saved, devote to Mary to be saved, being in Roman ct to be saved, partake Roman sacraments to be saved). You cant?*
*Why do you keep dodging? It's embarrassing.*
Had issues with your view of forgiveness, but this video & Holy Spirit has cleared my view. I get it & thank you!
Read the story or the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man is in a place of torment, a sea of fire. But is it the hell of the damned. Obviously not, for 2 reasons. Firstly, the rich man addresses his first plea on behalf of himself to Father Abraham. A damned soul would never obey the 4th Commandment by honoring Abraham. The second prayer of the rich man is not for himself but for his brothers. He is progressing in charity. No damned soul would wish for the salvation of any soul nor pray for salvation. Hell is without love, only hatred. So , therefore, the rich man is not damned. He is in a place of suffering where he must grow in love. He is in Purgatory. Jesus distinguishes between Gehenna(Hell) and Hades(Purgatory). Read Luke12.35-48. Here the good servant is rewarded, the unfaithful servant is lost and the other two servants suffer various levels of suffering without being lost. So Purgatory is real, Jesus taught it and we should pray for our relatives and friends who have gone on to face judgement. Some may be looking for our prayers to help them get to Heaven. If Father Abraham can help then so can we by our prayers for souls. Hope this helps and God bless on your earthly pilgrimage.
Sterling Crowne Am l to believe that damned souls pray for the salvation of others? Not true as they are filled with hatred and despair. The rich man is being purged of lingering attachments to selfishness and we see his improvement as he prays firstly for himself and then for his brothers. We die with either perfect or imperfect sorrow. One comes from love of God the other the fear of punishment. We are obliged on earth to try to improve our behavior and remove faults. If we die with ,for instance,a bad temper that we never took steps to control we need purging. Jesus forgives but we have the obligation to grow in charity with Gods help.Luke12 tells the story of 4 servants being rewarded as they deserve. One is saved , one lost and 2 suffer varying degrees of punishment. Heaven , Hell and Purgatory. In Corinthians Paul writes of us being cleansed but only by fire. Maccabees also speaks of praying for the dead but Martin Luther removed this book from the Bible. Blessings and let us continue to pray for our deceased loved ones especially if any died with unforgiveness in their hearts.
Sterling Crowne Abraham and Lazarus are saved. The rich man is also saved but must be purified of lingering attachments to sin. His repentance is imperfect. The good thief died with perfect contrition, sorry because he had caused God to suffer. Possibly the rich man repented but had not, during his life, done enough to eliminate lack of charity from his life. Christians always did penance . Pilgrimages to Santiago de Compastella, The Holy Land and the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico are just some that pop into my head. Fasting on Wed and Fri was encouraged. Jesus did everything to win salvation but we, with His help, must grow in holiness. As for Maccabees, l read it as part of the Bible and l can assure you it is worth the effort, especially the courage of the widow and her 7 sons defying the persecution of Antiochus.
Blessings to you in your walk with the Lord.
@@larryluch8178 listen to your own wording. “The shrine of our lady of Guadalupe” sounds like idol worship if I ever heard it. Making a shrine to anyone other than God is wrong.
@@frenchtoast2319 Jesus is Lord, Mary is human chosen to be His Mother. Catholics honor her , all generations call her blessed. We don’t worship her or statues or pictures etc. A shrine in a church helps us remember a particular event or person . Not because of the person but because of the mighty works God works through the agency of these people. The shrine to St Francis in my church reminds me of a gentle saint who bore our Lords wounds and worked tirelessly for Jesus. So you can relax we don’t adore idols. Ave Christus Rex
Love your videos... question..have you done any videos on the rapture??
The rapture is made up.
@@cdeep4548 no..
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 Yes
There will not be a rapture of any kind.
Hi Mike, my Nana is Catholic and watches Mass on the TV, however she also has something of a habit to visit Mediums and Tarot card readers. At one point in time my sister tried to talk to her about her frequenting such people, but was told by my Nana to, "stay out of it." How might I approach her with a clear presentation of the scriptures to carefully dissuade her from this visiting these people?
@Mr. SēnorHouseband
From scripture:
Deuteronomy Chapter 18
9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a NECROMANCER.
12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-18-9_18-12/
Definition:
necromancy noun
nec·ro·man·cy | \ ˈne-krə-ˌman(t)-sē \
Definition of necromancy
1 : conjuration (see conjure sense 2a) of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events The novel centers on the practice of necromancy and its influence on the world of the living.
2 : magic, sorcery Townspeople accused her of necromancy.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/necromancy
I truly hope this helps you brother, in Jesus' name. Amen.
You should tell your nana that visiting mediums and tarot readers is not at all in line with her Catholic faith. Divination is strictly prohibited by the Catholic Church, and is considered grave sin. Maybe if she was more aware of what the Church teaches on this matter she would stop seeking mediums and repent. Find it in the catechism and point it out to her.
tell her the truth the bible is against such practices...no need to say catholic church prohibits it,,...just show her scripture...🤣🤣🤣🤣@@tessa7413
@salachenkoforley7382 *WOw why you deleted the whole thread Roman Catholic? You don't need to do that just because you have no answer Roman Catholic. All Roman Catholics have no answer. Not only you.*
Even accepting the 2 Maccabees passage as true, the sin offering for the dead does not imply Purgatory. It only implies that God, knowing whether such an offering took place, accounts for that in the Judgment at the end of days, which is actually when the Bible declares that the wicked will be sent to the fires.
“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.” - Revelation 20:13
The problem with using that passage as proof of Purgatory or being able to pray for the dead is that said passage is history. It's just saying that this is what the guy did. It's like people trying to get doctrine from what believers did in the Book of Acts. The Book of Acts is primarily history.
if we truly believe in jesus christ the messiah, purgatory is a farce he was the ultimate atonement
I read Catholic bible and still have one. It clearly refutes many catechism teachings!
The catechism isn't based entirely in scripture as authority and tradition also have input.
Pat Aherne that's the exact problem with it. 😬
Camille Hendricks ok but who do you think wrote the Bible? Humans. Who makes extra-Biblical doctrines? Humans.
To be fair, I don't believe in purgatory. But to say something can't be trusted because it's not in the Bible is self-defeating and hamstrings the work of God in the living church
@@ChronicNewb EVERY WORD of bible was INSPIRED. It came from GOD, NOT Humans.
@@camillehendricks9819 Catholics have no man-made doctrines. All our doctrines were taught by Christ to the apostles and handed down in the Church. Some doctrines got written down in the Bible, some not, but a cording to 2 Thessalonians 2:15 we must believe both.
You might also consider that if the Catholic Church had not put the Bible together in the first place, at the Council of Rome in 382 a.d., there would be no Christian Bible today. It is only by the teaching authority of the Catholic Church that we know that the Bible IS the Bible.
who says what is Apocryhpha??? Universally accepted? BY WHOM AND WHEN!? literal 1400 years of Christians looked at those apocryphal books as THE BIBLE.
You know its a serious topic when the background is red
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"Purgatory." The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:
All who die in God’s grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030).
This seems so simple. Its common sense. Scripture is very clear when it says, "But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, "You [God]... are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong..." How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.
In light of this, the truth about Purgatory is almost self-evident to Catholics. However, to many Protestants this is one of the most repugnant of all Catholic teachings. It represents “a medieval invention nowhere to be found in the Bible.” It's often called "a denial of the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice." It is said to represent "a second-chance theology that is abominable."
Perhaps the best place to start is with the most overt reference to a “Purgatory” of sorts in the Old Testament. I say a “Purgatory of sorts” because Purgatory is a teaching fully revealed in the New Testament and defined by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament people of God would not have called it “Purgatory,” but they did clearly believe that the sins of the dead could be atoned for by the living as I will now prove. This is a constitutive element of what Catholics call “Purgatory.”
In II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection... and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honourably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” FROM CATHOLIC ANSWERS
@Asaph Vapor The Catholic Catechism is entirely biblical … it actually has about 2000 quotations from the bible showing Catholicism is in accord entirely with the bible. (Your statement shows you have not read it)
Wow but why do Catholics really pretend that someone can die and be perfectly pure? Is that even possible? Bc to say those who are not perfectly pure... means there is posibility to be pure, so just by that is all wrong
@@joridabr15 No pretend Catholics. I posted ""All who die in God’s grace, but still imperfectly purified, "" you posted ""why do Catholics really pretend that someone can die and be perfectly pure? " Answer : we do not !!
We are perfectly sanctified by Jesus death. It’s very clear in the Bible.
You can’t quote Maccabees and call it biblical. It is not biblical.
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, PURIFIES us from all[b] sin." 1 John 1:1-7 Oh my. Its says it right there: PURIFIES !PURIFIES !PURIFIES ! It's black and white? What's not to understand? No purgatory. Jesus is the purgatory!
It didn't say HOW he purges us. Malachi 3 says that God purifies as a silversmith purifies silver. That is done with heat.
Bridgefin isn’t that from the Book of Mormon?
@@theccc8318
Last book of the Old Testment.
From Mormon website: Malachi
An Old Testament prophet who wrote and prophesied at approximately 430 B.C.
THE BOOK OF MALACHI The book or prophecy of Malachi is the last book in the Old Testament.
Jesus does indeed purify us. . .in Purgatory. Avoid Purgatory by living the best life you can here on earth. Avoid small and large sins. Do some penances. Do some good works for your neighbor (yes, Protestants, contrary to what your ear tickling minister teaches you good works are necessary for salvation), and you can avoid Purgatory.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh Nope. Jesus purify us through His blood he shed for us. Read the bible.
At the heart of the question of purgatory, is the fact that the Catholic church is Anti-Christ in its nature. The teaching directly refutes Christ redeeming work on the cross. 2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8.20
Moreover
Christ said many will come In my name.
But I tell u I come in my father.
Vicar means representative
The pope is always declaring christs authority...
Let that sink in.
I think Mike touches on a great point answering the very first question.
The concept of sleeping in death appears about one hundred eleven times in Scripture, and every instance refers to a restful state of physical restoration or a peaceful state associated with death.
Where do we get the idea for the traditional tombstones that reads, ‘rest in peace’? When we die, the body returns to the ground and sleeps while the spirit returns to God. There is a separation between the mortal body and soul at death, or when we sleep.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. We are only called to awaken at the day of judgement. Therefore, when we die, the body is sleeping and not tormenting in a place that purges sins. We are sleeping peacefully. What will thousands of years feel like when we are called to awaken from the sleep of death?
1 Kings 2:10
Then David slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David.
Daniel 12:2
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
1 Thessalonians 5:9-10
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.
2 Peter 3:3-9 3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
Sleep seems to defy time and space even when dreaming, but also in the absence of dreams. In modern times, the time lapse associated with sleep can be compared to a medical operation under anesthesia; a person awakens with, “How long was I under? It felt like just a second ago.”
Hebrews 9:27
And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
Matthew 10:28
28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Romans 8:10
If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
I grew up in a denomination that teaches soul sleep and denies that people go straight to heaven or hell at death. That doesn't bother me too much, but they generally believe that soul sleep is referring to a literal sleep. To support this, they often pointed to John 11: 11-14, where Jesus declares that Lazarus had fallen asleep, but He was going to awaken Him. What those who hold to literal soul sleep often ignore when citing this verse is that Jesus had to correct His disciples when they assumed He was speaking of literal sleep. That very clearly implies that Jesus was speaking metaphorically.
@@hotwax9376 yea no one goes anywhere after they die in my bible or reality as we know it. No evidence anything dead can do or think anything.
@@somewhatinformed1208 The denomination I grew up in didn't say that people never go anywhere after they die; they just taught there's an intermediate state in "the grave" before heaven or hell, and then go to one of those places after the final judgment. Moreover, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that there is an afterlife and that the dead all go to heaven or hell, whether immediately or eventually. As Jesus said, "He is not the God of the dead, but the living. You are badly mistaken." (Mark 12: 27)
@@hotwax9376 I can see how you would think the grave is a temporary thing if you expect to be dug up in a few thousand years.
@@somewhatinformed1208 Again, that is not necessarily my view, just the view of the denomination I was raised in.
None of the reformers can give you living water. Nor can they give you the bread of life either. Protestants make a "squatter's claim" on the bible and the gospel, but you had nothing to do with either one and the word "Christian" isn't yours either because protestantism does not come from Jesus, and SAINTS Existed 15 centuries before the protestant revolt so you are not the SAINTS Either. All these things existede long before protestantism did
Question about 1Cor3:
When Paul transitions from the field/planting analogy to the building anology, does he change the reference from Ministers to all Christians also?
Seems like he might have still been refering to Ministers in the building anology.
I agree that he is still talking about ministers. But I also think that all Christians are ministers to some extant and that every one of us will have our works tested in this way because each person is to walk in the works prepared for them (Eph 2:10). So it is about the testing of each person's ministry labor but every person has such labor, not just those we usually think of when we say "ministers".
Got it, thanks for the reply! :)
Totally agree. All passages are talking strictly about Masters.
@@saramolina8911 ??? How does "Master" enter into this? Do you mean "Ministers"?
@@caroltaylor3414 yes ministers. 👍
To jesus: Greek, do you speak it?
Jesus: what??? Aramaic
please pray for me. I have finished my chemotherapy for cancer. While undergoing treatment my two daughters moved out suddenly, my mother died, and my wife almost died due to covid. I suffer from anxiety attacks and depression. I suddenly have become an empty nester. I have been crying every day since February 27th the day my eldest daughter left. I am anxious about my situation and feel like i'm not needed anymore. Feel like a senior in an old folks home just waiting for death or the rapture. I'm expected back at work on August 3rd and I am fearful of going back. I have 2.5years before I can get a full pension. Am in debt for$26,000. My sisters are fighting for money from my mothers house. And call me often to complain. Like Elijah, I have prayed to the Lord to take my life
You're going through a bad time right now, every believer has been there stay faithful, keep praying and in the word, it'll pass.
Peace in Jesus name.
@@bornagainsaint6923please pray for me I was born again and fine and was not living in sins. I want back I shouldn't not have did immoral or grieve the HOLY GHOST in error. I want back. Not this world I spoke bad and WAS IN CHRIST I didn't mean this at all. Esp TV AND MOVIES. .... PLEASE PRAY
in order for a sin to be mortal three factors must be present: grave matter, full knowledge and full consent of the will. In any given case an outsider cannot know definitively if full consent or full knowledge is present in the sinner. Also, we cannot know if, in the last moments of life, the person heartily repented.
To God all sin is the same, and the wages of sin is death. He made no differentiation between mortal and venial. But He gave us His only Son to pay for all sin for all mankind for all time; He loves us that much. And since He is omniscient, HE knows if we repented. Btw, "repent" means to do a 180 and turn from the path you were on.
@@watchgoose God doesn't distinguish between mortal and venial sin? See 1 John 5:16.
All and any sin leads to spiritual death without Christ. Nowhere in scripture is there mortal vs venial.
@@donatzerodayslife 1 John 5:16-17 says other wise
See the New Catholic Encyclopedia on this topic. "In the final analysis the teaching of Purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture". Page 1034
Then the New Catholic Encyclopedia is wrong. The editors of that encyclopedia need to read 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 2 Maccabees 12:43-46.
@@georgepenton808 Please see Ephesians, Chapters 1 and 2. Salvation is a gift. Working for a gift is an oxymoron.
@@jeffreydefreese8807 GRACEis a free and unmerited gift. SALVATION comes from our own works, what we do with the gift of grace we have received. Salvation is like a rich man man giving us a tuition-free college education. Yes, the tuition (grace) is free but we must work hard and study if we hope to graduate (get to Heaven). See Colossians 1:24.
@@georgepenton808 Poor George. If you want to work for your salvation, go right ahead. It will end up in frustration though. Our puny works do not hold a candle to Christ's works for us. See Ephesians 2:8-9.
@@jeffreydefreese8807 See the very next verse, Ephesians 2:10.
If their is a purgatory then Jesue Christ died for nothing. He died on the cross for our sins paid the price in full. There is no other way.
How can you become perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect?
Yes the bible teaches purgatory in Corinthians and Maccabees but Luther took seven books out of the bible as well as changing many parts of the bible to break and bend it to fit in with his views which included hatred of the Jews and then Catholics. But he had no divine or other right to do what he did in order to justify the reformation..
In about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning “standard”), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books.
So what happened? How come the King James Bible only has 66 books? Well, Martin Luther didn’t like 7 books of the Old Testament that disagreed with his personal view of theology, so he threw them out of his bible in the 16th Century. His reasoning was that the Jewish Council of Jamnia in 90 AD didn’t think they were canonical, so he didn’t either. The Jewish Council of Jamnia was a meeting of the remaining Jews from Palestine who survived the Roman persecution of Jerusalem in 70 AD. It seems that the Jews had never settled on an official canon of OT scripture before this. The Sadducees only believed in the first 5 books of the Bible written by Moses (the Pentateuch), while the Pharisees believed in 34 other books of the Old Testament as well. However, there were other Jews around from the Diaspora, or the dispersion of the Jews from the Babylonian captivity, who believed that another 7 books were also divinely inspired. In fact, when Jesus addressed the Diaspora Jews (who spoke Greek) he quoted from the Septuagint version of the scriptures. The Septuagint was a Greek translation by 70 translators of the Hebrew Word. The Septuagint includes the disputed 7 books that Protestants do not recognize as scriptural.
Initially, Luther wanted to kick out some New Testament Books as well, including James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation. He actually said that he wanted to “throw Jimmy into the fire”, and that the book of James was “an epistle of straw.” What is strange is that Luther eventually accepted all 27 books of the New Testament that the Catholic Pope Damasus I had approved of in 382 AD, but didn’t accept his Old Testament list, preferring instead to agree with the Jews of 90 AD. Luther really didn’t care much for Jews, and wrote an encyclical advocating the burning of their synagogues, which seems like a dichotomy. Why trust them to come up with an accurate canon of scripture when you hate and distrust them so much? And why trust the Catholic Church which he called “the whore of Babylon” to come up with an accurate New Testament list? Can you imagine the outrage by non-Catholics today if the Pope started throwing books out of the Bible? But strangely, Luther gets a pass on doing that exact same thing.
@Asaph Vapor your weak two line reply "7 books were never in the Jewish OT canon" I did not say they were !! The one Catholic / Christian Church compiled the Bible ……. 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning “standard”), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books.
@Asaph Vapor Oh dear. You have a lot to learn. You reject the 7 books because they were not accepted by the Jews … of course not as they were more obviously pointing to Jesus Christ as saviour and the Jews would rather have a gap in their history.. At the same time the New Testament was added by the Catholic Church !!! Feel free to reject the NT also. ….. You don't know about the process leading to papal infallibility ….. No pagan practices were brought into the Church .
@Asaph Vapor So you accept that when the Catholic Church Fathers compiled the Catholic / Christian bible in the fourth century the books of the Apocrypha were part of the Bible … It was 1100 years later when Luther etc with no authority decided to change the bible. (But even he put the Apocrypha in his bible appendix.)
@Asaph Vapor I would be interested to know where you cut and pasted that from. Do you know that claiming others work as your own is plagiarism ??? Basically the person who wrote it is looking for excuses to exclude the books of the Apocrypha and comes up with individuals who over the centuries might have been opposed to it. … The fact remains that all of Christendom accepted it Orthodox and Catholic … until men in the sixteenth century decided they could not have it in their bibles as it conflicted with their man made Christianity. …. What did the Pagan Emperor Justin do after his physical repression of Christianity failed … He encouraged those who did not agree that the Son of God was also God … He sowed division in the Church …. Just as Luther Did 1000 years later. …. which now fuels the growth of Atheism
@Asaph Vapor Yes some of the Roman Emperors were Pagan. So what they never lead the Church Justin the Pagan Emperor encouraged division in the Church (Supporting those who said the Son of God was not God …. 1000 years later Luther / the reformation divided the Church & we are paying the price now as atheism grows.
Thank you for always going into so much detail & for sharing. Some of these videos do just take me a couple days to watch as I watch them throughout the day. Thanks for sharing!
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
Me too I play the mike videos to get me through tough workouts after work 💪😂❤🎉 hearing about Bible truth is my favorite thing to do. Then it seems I'll get asked something and actually be able to give a biblical answer mainly kids at the church I go to very helpful ❤❤❤
I died in 1985 & the love, light, power of God brought me live & healing - I did not share the experience for over 25 years & when I did know one believed me anyway.
Keep sharing it anyway, it may help someone. (Assuming it follows scripture) If it helps and encourages 1 out of 1000 people you tell and because of it, they seek Jesus then its worth it! : )
I know how you feel about people not believing you. I have what they call “sleep paralysis” (not accurate at all) and most people I tell think I’m dreaming or crazy or making it up, but I had someone tell me that they thought they were going insane and knowing it was real and that loving Jesus and calling upon his name would help them out of it really did helped them seek Jesus. Ps. It used to happen to me several times a week for years and now that I’ve been following Jesus and rebuking demons in his name it only happens to me a couple times a year. So I’m not crazy because people are not insane for many years then become sane. It’s real and a spiritual battle for those who have the gift of discernment of spirits. 1 cor 12:10
@@sandina2cents779 yes I had sleep paral too - demons sitting on your chest - exactly the. Name of Jesus & they are gone. I have not had any sleep paral in five years - I study my Bi ble daily & sing Psalms daily. - will start my youtube channel &. Begin sharing soon
@@Bachconcertos 🙂👍
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
@@christsavesreadromans1096 Jesus is an all consuming fire. His fire cleanses u
No. Purgatory is NOT biblical. End of debate.
Jesus NEVER told the believer in the cross, you can burn for a bit, because you only now believe and led you whole life sinful. Jesus said I tell you the truth, this afternoon you will be with me in heaven.
Luke 16:19-31 gives two places after death, not three.
Worst of all is the blasphemous notion Jesus.did not do enough for our salvation. How rude and insulting ! Salvation is by faith (John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9).
That is right. Jesus paid the price. End of story.
The Holy Spirit also came as tongues of Fire....
M. C.S. The HS is described in different ways. I wonder if there is some sort of significance to that?
@@doug1863 Lovely observation
Pastor Mike, you make a crucial point starting at 22:50. Whenever I hear a caller to Catholic radio ask about going to a Protestant Bible study the apologist will always dissuade anyone who is "not well-grounded in their Catholic faith'" from attending. They don't want those pesky Bible teachings getting in the way of their man-made religion.
John Dawson Biblical interpretation is difficult and the number of churches teaching contradictory messages is evidence of this. Interpretation is made more difficult when translations into English are unclear. Catholic teaching on Purgatory comes from the teaching of Jesus. Take the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man is in a place of awful suffering but he is not in Hell of the damned. Firstly, he addresses Abraham respectfully as Father. But more tellingly the rich man asks Abraham to warn his brothers not to come to this awful place. No damned soul would wish salvation for any other person. Hell is a place of hatred and despair, not love and hope. Thirdly, the rich man grows in holiness and charity, moving from selfish prayer to selfless prayer. There is no improvement in Hell. A damned soul is in a state of permanent hatred of God and His creation. When we repent we are expected to grow in holiness and charity. If we are careless and lazy in this life we will be purged of our lingering attachments to sin in Purgatory. It is good to repent but we then have to walk the talk. Actions speak louder than words, talk is cheap. God expects us to grow in holiness in response to His free gift of salvation. Blessings
@@larryluch8178 It's occasionally difficult in places, but the bottom line is that the simple grammatical-historic understanding of the very clear passages that the RCC uses as proof texts for purgatory show that the RCC has engaged in gross eisegesis.
Did you watch the whole video?
John Dawson The Catholic teaching is persuasive. I often listen to Protestant preachers and find a lot of truth in the sermons. However, on Purgatory they are wrong. In Luke12 Jesus tells the parable of the 4 servants. When the master returns one servant is saved, one is lost and the other two suffer varying degrees of punishment. Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Matt18v34-35 and in his anger the master turned him over to the torturers til he should pay all his debt. This is temporary, not eternal punishment. God asks us to grow in love of God and neighbors after repentance. We must walk the talk, so to speak. If we are lazy and careless then we can expect purging before entering Heaven. Imperfect contrition is how Catholics term it. Our sorrow must be perfect, just like the good thief who loved Jesus. I urge you to pray for deceased souls as they may need help. Blessings.
@@larryluch8178 You are so kind and patient, and explained this with an open heart, Larry. Bless you.
The Catholic Mass is over 80% scripture, unlike Protestant services. Just so you know.
Thank you Pastor Mike I have been trying to give this truth to several people I love.
Repeating lies you believe is lying.
@Thomas B nope I brainwashed myself with the Bible read it a thousand times my first year as a Christian. I do keep hearing about crazy things different denominations believe. I was indoctrinated by a bunch of exCatholics of why I should be Protestant which means the protest the Catholic Church.
@@somewhatinformed1208 A lie is acting with intent to deceive. There’s a big difference.
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
@@christsavesreadromans1096alude and assumptions are not of Christ
It is talking about trials and tribulation s
Do not be deceived by a false gospel, the catholic church!.
c s Lewis had interesting views on purgatory. in his letters on prayer
Mallory....c s lewis was catholic...end of story
@@daisystanley7103 CS Lewis wasn’t Catholic at all. His friend, JRR Tolkien, was. CS Lewis merely believed that belief in purgatory was sensible.
@@cheetahinireland18 he may not have been a catholic officially , but he had others converted to the RCC, and was a big advocate of the deceptive religion.
Dont go to Lewis for your theology!
@@daisystanley7103 Amen !!!
Hi Pastor. I believe once we die no one can do anything for us. Besides Jesus does the final judgement.
It is said he will say I never knew you. ....and who is this Jesus he might say!
My friend, beside 1 Corinthians 3:4-15, Catholics also use Malachi chapter 3:2-3 & Zechariah 13:8-9. I sure wish you would have woven those scriptures into your teaching it would have helped me understand better. Would you mind taking a look at them and perhaps doing another video. I appreciate it. God bless.
What application does Malachi 3:2-3 possibly have for
purgatory? This is talking about John the baptist paving the way, and Jesus coming into His temple. He purifies is providing the perfect sacrifice of righteousness for us.
The Zechariah passages talks about 2/3 dying and 1/3 remaining ALIVE, and being brought through the fire. How have loving people died, and hanging out in purgatory?
Purgatory is a slap in Jesus's face.
Consider this a vote for the ESV, pretty much all the translations (save the NWT and such) are great but the ESV is in my opinion hands down the best for general use. It is the best blend of word for word and thought for thought available right now. Too much word for word is hard to understand, too much thought for thought loses some meaning. The ESV is really the best blending. The NASB is what I would consider the ideal for really deep study but gets a little dense and the ISV, NIV, or NLT (not really decided on this) would be ideal for those who need an easier to read translation.
just remember wide path leads to death, narrow and hard path leads to heaven. If you prefers easy translation, you are risking your salvation.
@@suedavis4502 true. Dispensationalism KJB 🙌🙏❤👍
@@shaolinshowdown1123 I'm with R.C. Sproul on Dispensationalism -- it's goofy. I'll add that it's also dangerous.
Totally agree
The Bible alludes to purgatory. 1 Corinthians 3:15, “saved but only as through fire.” If fire is only for the unsaved then why would any saved people be going through fire?
Even my Catholic bible under the Macabees reference declares that reference doesn't clearly refer to Catholic teaching of Purgatory. Haha
It is a discernment from scripture.
It doesn't matter though. It's a dogma and therefore it exists.
What some people forget if that the church has the power to bind heaven and Earth.
If you don't accept that though, it's your life.
Pat Aherne Well, the keys that were given don’t mean what catholic doctrine says. Keep in mind, Christ must not have been informed of purgatory, the thief on the cross was going to be with Him THAT DAY in paradise.
Please understand I’m asking in love...wouldn’t Jesus spell out purgatory clearly and not ignore it completely??
Read these scriptures, please.
John 5:24
John 6:37
John 10:28
Romans 8:35-39
1 Cor. 1:8
2 Cor. 1:21-22
Ephesians 1:14
Philippians 1:6
2 Timothy 4:18
Hebrews 7:25
Hebrews 9:12
Hebrews 9:15
1 Peter 1:3-4
1 John 5:13
Read them from the Bible, yourself, pray the Holy Spirit honestly speaks to YOU on what is true. Praying for you, may God bless you!
@@ksucatinokc Interesting... I never thought of that !! He would have said "No, you'll have to chill in purgatory first, see ya later"
Pat....Jesus wanted ppl to understand how his sacrifice was going to save them if they believed in him were repentant of their sins and confessed him as their Savior. All the muckity muck dogmas of the RCC just make ppl reliant on that church and false sacraments as their salvation. Jesus made it simple yet those who see do not see! Most Catholics don't even follow or believe in most dogmas or sacraments! This Pope opened my eyes and I saw the Truth then left!
KM, don't listen to modern Catholic writers. Listen to what the Church has taught down through the centuries----2 Maccabees 12:43-46 is about Purgatory. If it isn't, why do they cited this passage at Catholic funerals?
It would be nice to have a list of heretical teachings of Catholicism that affect a person's eternal standing. Often a Catholic apologist will state that the differences are not significant enough to waste time debating them.
Right off the bat I can give you three huge Protestant doctrines that are against the Bible: (1) sola scriptura, refuted by 2 Thessalonians 2:15, (2) sola fide, refuted by Matthew 25:31-46 and James 2:24-26, and once-saved-always-saved, refuted by Matthew 13:3-23.
Not all Protestants believe in once-saved-always-saved but all Protestants do unfortunately believe in sola scriptura and sola fide.
1) Any teaching about salvation that says we do the work and it's not by grace
2) Any teaching taking away from Jesus' qualities (look at #1, saying his work on the cross wasn't sufficient)
3) Any teaching giving God's qualities to someone else (e.g. Mary)
@@idahoduckhunter so wait you want to remove Genesis which says God's traits are put on all humans? And we all are image bearers of his qualities?
And remove James where it Says Both Works And Faith?
64 book of the bible now? Dang.
Also I don't think anyone thinks that Christ work wasn't sufficient for... Uniting humanity with God. However Christ Says himself there is greater things to be done and things he can't even do. So we have to talk about sufficient for what. We are given a ministry of Reconciliation. And also unlike what Mike says. Zachariah, Malachi, Isaiah, Daniel, all says there is a burning fire at the End of Judgement and that we all will pass it and it will burn the person. Mike focuses and Says it Action and not person for Corinthians. But we have it especially talked about in old testament the whole person will burn. Even those in friendship with God, but they will pass through. Like Daniel 3, 7 etc.
@@idahoduckhunter it looks like you have a mile long rope of knots brother the Catholic faith is the truth, “teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you”; Matthew 28:20
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh 1. 2 Thessalonians was written before canon had been completed, so of course the church had to go by their words, or by their letters. That does not refute the idea of sola scriptura.
Not to mention that Sola Scriptura only affirms the sufficiency of scripture, not that we shouldn't engage with other books and literature, but that God's Word alone should have authority, not other man-made documents, like the CCC and various other decrees that have no Biblical grounding, like the immaculate conception, papal infallibility and, indeed, purgatory.
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2. There are many verses that clearly state Sola Fide.
In Romans 4, Paul states that Abraham believed, and it was credited to him as righteousness. This was before he had done any commands of God.
Galatians 2 gives another great example: “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ." Paul doesn't say "...justified by faith in Jesus Christ... oh yeah, and the good works you do." He just says faith.
John 5 also makes this point clear: “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."
If you think that James teaches that works are inherently a part of salvation, you have to throw out the other books (and probably authors) I have mentioned, because Paul and John both explicitly teach Sola Fide.
Good acts are an outpouring of our faith. They are an expression of faith, but they play no part in our salvation. With every single debate about salvation, I always come to the example of the thief on the cross. He was saved. What good works did he do? He didn't have time to do any, all he did was ask Jesus to remember him. His salvation came by grace, through faith alone, and so does ours.
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3. You've got to be kidding me... Matthew 3 is obviously not a verse about christian believers losing faith, but about the spreading of the message of the gospel. verses 18-23 explicitly say this. Matthew 3 is obviously not about losing your salvation, and that would be eisegesis, not exegesis of the passage.
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I'd love to keep talking through some of these if you want, I think the strongest point you've made is the second one, because at least there are some verses there that could potentially be used to support your argument against faith alone. Obviously I disagree, but hey! That's life.
God Bless!
57:34 Those saints who appeared after Jesus resurrection had been in Abrahams Bosom and not Heaven.
Wow....the whole things with the book of macabes was crazy.....catholics contradict their own books they regard. Another thing to consider is this....was the sin offering received by God? Let's not forget both Cain and Abel made offerings to God and a else was accepted and cain's wasn't. The bible teaches the wages of sin is death.....something had to die to pay for sin. Jesus had to die to pay for sin and when the early Jews made atonement for their sins they killed something a lamb some doves....etc when was money accepted by God as payment for sin?....EVER!!?
@Craig Laycox
[1] Ephesians 3:17-19 (KJV) That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Matthew 18:33-35 (KJV) Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Ephesians 5:1-2 (KJV) Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[2] Brethren in Christ.. Remember the light in us. We must be an example. Forgive him for he not knows what he does. The Catholic Church teachings are sin not him. Hes misguided. Love your neighbor but also speak truth 😊🙏❤.
@Craig Laycox Have a non scriptural conversation and plead Marry to help you out in purgatory. You with that response shows the fruit of your spirit. To resort and negate anything I wrote is your fleshful pride. Empty yourself of all sin. Follow Jesus. The road not perfect only Jesus was. BUT TRY.
Mary and the saints are not dead. Their souls are alive in Heaven and that's why we can pray to them. The rich man prayed to Abraham in the Lazarus/rich man parable and Jesus Himself talked to Elijah and Moses at His transfiguration.
@Craig Laycox Craig, you fail to distinguish between indulgences and the sale of indulgences. The Church quit selling indulgences (quit issuing indulgences for making contributions to the Church) in 1567. But the Church continues to issue indulgences and has never stopped issuing them. Indulgences aren't coming back; they never went away. Nowadays a plenary indulgence can be gained by making the stations of the cross, saying a rosary in Church or as a family, or receiving Communion on Divine Mercy Sunday, the Sunday after Easter. No money changes hands.
And all indulgences do is to reduce Purgatory time. They do not guarantee salvation. Persons not in the state of grace are incapable of receiving indulgences, no matter how many prayers they pray or how much money they contribute.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh the rich man was also in hell in the parable...and he could literally see abraham and Lazarus...he wasnt praying to them....he was talking to them. Also it was a parable..a made up story to illustrate a point. You picked a poor example to support your point. Mary and the saints are dead and cannot help anyone nor hear anyone's prayers
I have just found your videos on UA-cam. I have listened to many teachings (yours and others). I just want to say thank you for these teachings. You have done a deep dive into why Catholicism teaches what it teaches. I have understood in a surface way but this makes the “why” easier to understand. I have Catholic loved ones..praying they will one day find the Bible as their only guide.
Catholics provided you with the bible. You need to find its authentic teaching.
The Catholic s never provided anyone with the Bible …. since the councils held by them after about 600 AD they systematically started to remove and KILL anybody who does not agree with them which eventually resulted in the Dark Middle Ages where the Bible was removed from circulation. It was only their priests who god gave the permission to read the Bible….. What a sad joke!
It took a Roman Catholic priest Jan Huss (who they killed by burning him- savages!) and then theRC priest Luther to get the Bible to the ordinary people. To this day the RC try to control the ordinary man with hocus pocus which is not in the Bible…
@@Fxrichards
What a complete package of garbage! Whoever is telling you those lies will be thrown into Hell and prepare a place for you. Liars do not enter Heaven. Those who lie to turn people away from Christ have a deep pit in Hell.
@@bridgefin no use to get emotional. It seems that you are ignorant in terms of church history. However, you do not have to go to a tertiary institution (like I and thousand s of others did) to access that information/ history. You can Google it independently and verify what I said. Believe me you will be shocked….
@@Fxrichards
I have read the history and you posted complete garbage.
You: The Catholic s never provided anyone with the Bible
Me: Catholic monks produced tens of thousands of excellent copies of the bible so that we could have it today. The Catholic Church provided the bible to EVERYONE!!!!
You: …. since the councils held by them after about 600 AD they systematically started to remove and KILL anybody who does not agree with them
Everyone who went with the Reformers were post 600 and your claim that they were all killed is absolute garbage.
You: which eventually resulted in the Dark Middle Ages where the Bible was removed from circulation.
Me: It was never IN Circulation!! Igno ramous, do you have any idea what it cost to produce a bible in those days? Hundreds of sheep and the smartest guy in the province dedicated for 3 to 10 years to produce ONE bible. In today's currency that would approach a million dollars PER BIBLE. And that is why bibles were chained to prevent their walking away.
You: It was only their priests who god gave the permission to read the Bible….. What a sad joke!
Me: A sad outright lie.
You: It took a Roman Catholic priest Jan Huss (who they killed by burning him- savages!) and then theRC priest Luther to get the Bible to the ordinary people.
Me: What a joke. When Luther finally provided a German language to the people it was the THE ELEVENTH German bible with the prior ten being Catholic translations. Stop your silly agenda and start reading.
You: To this day the RC try to control the ordinary man with hocus pocus which is not in the Bible…
Me: May you not experience the flames you deserve from such a blasphemous comment.
God made us fit to enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
Only through his blood, so if you have not recieved his blood and claim to be a christian then no god has not made us all fit to enter on "a very few"
That’s what I am wondering, doesn’t purgatory defeat the whole Jesus dying on the cross?
Yes, it pretty much does. So does the way Catholics dole out grace via the sacraments. You have to constantly be doing the sacraments, only through the RCC of course, in order to remain in a state of grace. It is not then God's grace, imparted to us through Christ's atonement, it's grace imparted by the RCC for all the right works we do, according to their doctrines.
Its sad seeing so many who never understood God's Catholic Church and decided to leave it
I've found, the more I understand the Catholic Church, the more I'm assured of my decision to leave it. (Actually, I can't say I actually left it, I actually turned to true God, and left it behind.)
@@elizabeths5896 Many will stray unfortunatly. I ironically am the opposite of you. The more research I did, the more I read about the early Christians and the doctrines of old. The more I realized that no other Church was founded by Christ, nor kept his teachings.
Having studied intensively the doctrines of the Church and the early Christians I am more than capable to answere any misconceptions or questions you might have about Christ´s Universal Church
The Roman catholic church is not God's true church
@@DrDoerk which is the true one then?
@@tuff9486 Christ's Church
Seems like some are confusing Christ judgement of the Christians, to purgatory. It's not about salvation, just about getting rewards for any good works we have had.
Purgatory is not about salvation. It’s not a second chance.
@@kevinmc62 it is like Global warming....it is about making a few rich by destroying world economies . Purgatory just a money making plan to sell to the people who can believe.
One thing I don't get is that I read the Bible before I ever knew about Purgatory. I never came across a passage that would have made me think that such a place exists. It seems to me that some theologians invented Purgatory and then tried to grab at any verse (out of context) that might remotely support it Even the passage from 2 Maccabees doesn't support Purgatory.
A one hour video to refute the doctrine of Purgatory? Are you kidding? I can do it in much less time:
Hebrews 1:3b - ... when He had *BY HIMSELF* purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."
Next question. 🙂
How about this one.... *Colossians 1:12-14,20-22 where the shed blood of Jesus 2000 years ago has ALREADY placed Believers into God's holy Kingdom* -- no need for further purification in purgatory in order to enter God's holy Kingdom.
@@TicketToRide-dj4vk - Exactly. There are more holes in the Purgatory doctrine than there exists in the Albert Hall.
The idea of purgatory once sort of appealed to me when I thought “how could an all loving God send anyone at all, no matter how bad, to hell for eternity?” But then I realized that we deserve hell, no matter how good we are, and Jesus paid that price for us. He paid a one time payment. In full. For we who don’t deserve it. There are a lot of cool things about Catholicism, but there’s been a lot of additions to it over the centuries. Best to rely on the 5 Solas. Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, Christ alone, glory to God alone.
I used to be catholic and used purgatory as an excuse to sin. It was an opiate for sinners. But it's not real. I wish I'd known that, and I would've lived my life differently.
God doesn't torture people. Both body and soul is destroyed in hell. No lost soul lives forever. That's a lie of Satan and Catholic and any other church who teaches that is teaching a false doctrine. God says Satan will be destroyed and all sinners will be utterly destroyed with no root or branch left.
Unlike what what this video says there is evidence for purgatory. Malachi, Micah, Isaiah, Daniel. Here people and nations will be tested. Not the action. And certain people will be burnt up completely such as in Daniel or others restored such as the Daughter of Zion in Isaiah
@@sonicrocks2007 Malachi says nothing about a purgatory and neither does Micah, Isaiah or Daniel. What texts are you referring to and passages?
@@digging4pearls961 Luke 12:35-48 Parable of 3 servants, one gets killed, one beaten,one rewarded. This is very clearly a metaphor of the day of judgement and what does it mean to get beaten and let back into the kingdom?
Isaiah 4:4 - here we see the Daughter of Zions are put under Spirit of Fire to be cleansed.
Malachi 3:2-4 - talking about day of Judgement there. That man will be refined. This is like 1 Corinthians but 1 Corinthians is talking about man's action. Here is very clear it is the person
Daniel 7:9-14 - the on Judgement day great beast is thrown into the fire and does not withstand the fire and dies. While in Daniel 3 the Daniels friends do withstand the a symbolically linked fire.
1 Peter 4. You will face a fiery trial.
Church Fathers on Purgatory and 1 Cor 3:15
St. Augustine
Lord, rebuke me not in Your indignation, nor correct me in your anger…. In this life may You cleanse me and make me such that I have no need of corrective fire, which is for those who are saved, but as if by fire….For it is said, “He shall be saved, but as if by fire” (1 Cor 3:15). And because it is said, “he shall be saved,” little is thought of that fire. Yet, plainly, though we be saved by fire, that fire will be more severe than anything man can suffer in this life. (Explanations of the Psalms 37.3 - Quoted in Jurgens @ 1467)
And it is not impossible that something of the same kind [purification by fire] may take place even after this life. It is a matter that may be inquired into, and either ascertained or left doubtful, whether some believers shall pass through a kind of purgatorial fire, and in proportion as they have loved with more or less devotion the goods that perish, be less or more quickly delivered from it. (Commentary on 1 Cor 3 in the Enchiridion, 69)
St Cyprian
It is one thing, when cast into prison, not to go out thence until one has paid the uttermost farthing; another thing to instantly receive the reward of faith and courage. It is one thing, tortured by long suffering for sins, to be cleansed and long purged as by fire; another to have purged all sins by suffering [martyrdom]. It is one thing, in the end, to be in suspense till the sentence of God at the day of judgment; another to be at once crowned by the Lord(Epistle 51.20 comparing Martyrdom to purgation).
St. Thomas Aquinas
We must therefore say that the very venial sins that insinuate themselves into those who have a care for earthly things, are designated by wood, hay, and stubble. For just as these are stored in a house, without belonging to the substance of the house, and can be burnt, while the house is saved, so also venial sins are multiplied in a man, while the spiritual edifice remains, and for them, man suffers fire, either of temporal trials in this life, or of purgatory after this life, and yet he is saved for ever. (Summa, I, IIae 89.2)
The First Council of Lyons (1245)
…..it is granted that certain sins….are forgiven in the the future life and, since the Apostle says that, “fire will test the work of each one, of what kind it is,” and “if any man’s work burn he shall suffer loss, but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire” (1 Cor 3:13,15),….we indeed, calling it purgatory according to the traditions and authority of the Holy Fathers, wish in the future that it be called by that name. For in that transitory fire certainly sins, though not capital or criminal,….are cleansed. (Lyon # 23, Denz 456)
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In his dread of those more serious misfortunes, the speaker disregards this life which causes him to weep and groan with its misery, and makes his entreaty: Rebuke me not, O Lord, in thy indignation [Psalms 38:1]. Let me not be among those to whom thou wilt say: Depart into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels [Matthew 25:41]. Nor chastise me in thy wrath [Psalms 38:1]. Do thou cleanse me in this life and make me such that I shall have no need to pass through the purifying flames prepared for those who will be saved yet so as by fire [1 Corinthians 3:15]. Why? Is it not because in this world they are building upon a foundation of wood, hay, stubble? If they constructed with gold, silver, precious stones, they would be safe from both kinds of fire, not only from the everlasting fire which will torment the wicked forever and ever, but also from that which will purify those who are to be saved by fire. For we are told: He himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire [1 Corinthians 3:15]. And because of the phrase shall be saved, that fire is not taken seriously enough. Clearly, although they will be saved by fire, yet that fire will be more grievous than anything a man is capable of bearing in this life.
Augustine: Discourse on Psalms (Enarrationes in Psalmos) 37.3
English translation from Ancient Christian Writers, Vol. 30, page 330-331
While Augustine did not use the word purgatory he distinguished two kinds of fire, the everlasting fire that will torment the wicked forever and the purifying fire.
Michael Jacques at Christ's return we are iven new bodies that will not be burned. Those that are saved through faith are imputed Christ's righteousness, not our own.
@Asaph Vapor First of all your Point #1 is simply untrue. I suggest you read "The Apostasy that Wasn't" or any good history book to disabuse yourself of that fairy tale.
To your second point, there is much documentation demonstrating belief in a post-mortem cleansing of Christians. Here is just one example; there is many more.
"After the exhibition, Tryphaena again receives her. Fo her daughter FAlconilla had died, and said to her in a dream: Mother, you shall have the stranger Thecla in my place, so that she may pray for me, and that I might be transferred to the place of the just." (Acts of Paul and Thecla - AD 160)
I would also suggest ready "The Fathers Know Best." Equip yourself with knowledge.
A person who would say they don't care if it's in the Bible or not because they believe the Catholic doctrine is a person fully under cult influence.
I would not say all catholics are not saved. there are some who only pray to jesus , just a really small percentage are saved. At the end of the day its not denominations that will get you into heaven, its your relationship with jesus and learning the bible for themselves. I no longer worship statues or believe in purgatory nor do i need to confess my sins to a priest. But rather i can repent on my own. I do not hate my catholic family because as God is in the process of saving me. we can only pray for the salvation of others.
Jesus decides who is saved when he judges them. You are not Jesus. You are in no position to declare who is saved and who isn't. If God is in the process of saving you then he will likely put you back into the church that he established exactly for that purpose.
@@bridgefin You are right I am not Jesus and I do not know who will go to heaven and who wont. But the word is the word, period. We should not add or subtract from the bible. Worshipping false GODs, idolatry is wrong no matter what.
@@cassandra7778
You were the one adding to the bible. And all Judeo/Christian faiths condemn idolatry. Why even mention it?
@@bridgefin you clearly do not understand my words. I do not expect you to anyway. It is what it is.
@@cassandra7778
Ditto.