Gonna be wild, but there will always be something faster and newer. 2027 iM3 coming out and who knows what BMW has up their sleeve from the M Division and their EV sports cars.
I don't know why you would buy an xDrive M2, the M2 is mainly a fun M car because of it's shorter wheel base, that's why it also comes as a manual, for people that want to have an engaging drive, to swap the RWD for 4WD doesn't seem to fit that role in my opinion
@@lucwijngaard8413I have a 2023 Supra 6MT and I agree with the rear wheel drive opinion. I've never had xdrive so maybe that's why I'd want to switch things up
@@lucwijngaard8413 Because I live in Alaska. Some of us don't live in sunny no snow having places. Lol. Also, Xdrive isn't purely an AWD/4x4 system. It's rear biased. So unless there is slippage, you will be trucking along in rwd until the front wheels need to kick in. Also, while I respect your opinion, they do make the 240 in rwd and xdrive. Same idea as BMW potentially offering the M2 in either configuration. So..?
I figured it would be close but not that close from a roll. You were hitting decent speeds, but the m4 would continue to pull if ran it to higher speeds. Rwd m4 would pull a bit more from a roll too being closer in weight to the m2 and without the drivetrain loss of the xdrive.
That is what their intended purpose is, its for people who dont want the big m3/m4 but also want an m car to have fun in, thats why I love it, its the most affordable m car
I don't think Xdrive adds any drivetrain loss since it's basically RWD until there is wheel slip. From a 40 roll the front axle is not engaged, its basically the same as a RWD just hauling an extra 90-100 lbs
@ToneNYC718 I don't know maybe, I mean even with the xdrive m4 you can make them fully rwd , still really cool to see the smaller m2 keep up with the m4,it's really close until like 120 plus where the m4 extra hp kicks in.
I work at a bmw dealer. There will be a 2026 x drive version coming out by the end of next year. Excited for them to do a re run with the x drive version.
@@Andy090216 yeah this seems to be all over the place. Tons of people sure there will be an xDrive version coming, while others assuring there won’t be
The biggest advantage of the M2 is the shorter wheelbase, therefore the better test would have been to rip them through some super tight twisting turns to see if the M2 can out-handle the M4.
I think that the m4 comp would destroy it in a roll, due to the fact that it has even less weight and just a little bit less horsepower than the M4CompXdrive
The first dyno runs with the new M2's showed that they tend to put out around 500 hp rather than the 460 on specs sheet. Therefore the rolling result isn't shocking at all. Racing a 4WD vs RWD from the line doesn't make any sense which should be obvious.
Basically the m2s only chance to keep up is on the 40 roll but like a poster below said whether from 0-100 or 120 mph and up theres no chance for the m2. Pretty cool though to see it keep up on the 40 roll.
i can't wait to trade my g87 for an X-drive when it comes out. should time perfectly for when my lease is up. i live in the northeast so i just had to change my wheels for winter and have the sandbags for the trunk ready to go for the snow. pray for me lol
sold my g80 xdrive and picked up a g87. BMW is def lying about the g87 hp numbers as the m2 feels basically as fast as the m3. and I slightly prefer the g87 in every single way over the g80.
@@JVette01 you too man! I pinged you on one of your other vids but let me know if you go to any of the Vegas car meets. Would love to see another g87 out there. not too many on the road just yet.
@@InclineDumbbell i should have got the buckets...they are so sick. the only issue i have with the manual is the 1-2 shift. it is really tough to nail and really feels terrible sometimes. any suggestions? about to have 10,000 miles on it today and i still haven't mastered it
@@brelaxed13 If I’m just chillin then I’ll leave the clutch in a little longer but if you’re trying to go faster the best thing is just to rev it out. Some people take out the clutch delay valve which might help slightly but that would be a stupid thing to void my warranty over😂 To be fair I think the 1-2 shift bothers the passengers more than me I don’t really mind
@@InclineDumbbell lol. yeah, my wife hates this car so much. but yeah, it seems like its kind of all or nothing with the 1-2. its fine if you are shifting early at low rpm and just chillin and fine if you are sending it but there is like no middle ground. still love the sht out of it though. enjoy.
Parasitic loss doesn't really apply here. The transfer case only engages when there is wheel slip. Otherwise the clutch pack stays parked and, in fact, *significantly* less gear oil (almost none) circulates in this position. There are two gear oil sumps in the tcase. From a roll, it's hardly pulling anything. I'd bet maybe 5-7hp of loss. They did this for fuel economy regulation. My M240i XDrive can get 35+ MPG above 75mph easily.
@@JVette01 The M2 here is yours, no? What values do you typically see on a good launch for acceleration G forces? I can pull 1.1G (that's my absolute record... Usually 1.05G) on a DSC-OFF XDrive launch so there isn't any torque cut. I'm looking to trade up to a G87, just curious how much I'll miss it. 😭
I am sure that the gear ratios of these two cars are different. Manufacturers set up gear ratios to optimize acceleration, CO2 emissions, and gas consumption. They also want the sub model of their models (IE M for BMW, S or RS for AUDI, AMG for Merc) to have similar performances and the only distinguishing difference to be utility and track performance.
If the M3 or M4 is a competition, it’s auto only. Standard 6-speed M3/M4 473 hp. Comp is 503 hp. M2 is 453 hp. The M3/M4 has higher turbo boost than the M2. It’s somewhere around 19 psi vs 17 psi.
On par with what I thought, lol. But I do have to admit that 40 roll is much closer than I suspected. Can't wait for the AWD M2 in 2025.
Gonna be wild, but there will always be something faster and newer. 2027 iM3 coming out and who knows what BMW has up their sleeve from the M Division and their EV sports cars.
That’ll be the one to get!!!!
I don't know why you would buy an xDrive M2, the M2 is mainly a fun M car because of it's shorter wheel base, that's why it also comes as a manual, for people that want to have an engaging drive, to swap the RWD for 4WD doesn't seem to fit that role in my opinion
@@lucwijngaard8413I have a 2023 Supra 6MT and I agree with the rear wheel drive opinion. I've never had xdrive so maybe that's why I'd want to switch things up
@@lucwijngaard8413 Because I live in Alaska. Some of us don't live in sunny no snow having places. Lol. Also, Xdrive isn't purely an AWD/4x4 system. It's rear biased. So unless there is slippage, you will be trucking along in rwd until the front wheels need to kick in. Also, while I respect your opinion, they do make the 240 in rwd and xdrive. Same idea as BMW potentially offering the M2 in either configuration. So..?
Damn not bad. Closer than I expected. Great video
I figured it would be close but not that close from a roll. You were hitting decent speeds, but the m4 would continue to pull if ran it to higher speeds.
Rwd m4 would pull a bit more from a roll too being closer in weight to the m2 and without the drivetrain loss of the xdrive.
Been waiting to see this race, thanks for the upload!
You’re welcome!
curious on how the new m2 stacks up against the old m4cs, m2cs (or lightly tuned m2c) now
The M2 is basically the m4 barely watered down and a little bit smaller
That is what their intended purpose is, its for people who dont want the big m3/m4 but also want an m car to have fun in, thats why I love it, its the most affordable m car
xdrive m4 probably had more drivetrain losss cause its awd so there was not much of a benefit from a roll but damn the rolls were really close
I don't think Xdrive adds any drivetrain loss since it's basically RWD until there is wheel slip. From a 40 roll the front axle is not engaged, its basically the same as a RWD just hauling an extra 90-100 lbs
@ToneNYC718 I don't know maybe, I mean even with the xdrive m4 you can make them fully rwd , still really cool to see the smaller m2 keep up with the m4,it's really close until like 120 plus where the m4 extra hp kicks in.
@@ToneNYC718Correct!
I work at a bmw dealer. There will be a 2026 x drive version coming out by the end of next year. Excited for them to do a re run with the x drive version.
That would be interesting!
How sure are you that there will be xDrive for 2026?
@@Eddy-09 i've been told by bmw sales folks multiple times already, that they have been told, there would be no xdrive for this M2 gen.
@@Andy090216 yeah this seems to be all over the place. Tons of people sure there will be an xDrive version coming, while others assuring there won’t be
@@Eddy-09 yeah, but it kinda shifted because 1,5 ago I've been told there will likely be xdrive, now the narrative changed
I think a G87 M2 competition xDrive is being manufactured.
Yeah I’m placing my order for an M2! With downpipes alone you’re in super car territory.
The biggest advantage of the M2 is the shorter wheelbase, therefore the better test would have been to rip them through some super tight twisting turns to see if the M2 can out-handle the M4.
3800 lbs for a M2 is NUTS. My supra was about 3400. And the B58 is beast of a motor
This might actually be in Mexico
It is
Nice comparision! I really supriesed by the M2 but i want to know what M2 did with M4 comp rear wheel drive version
I think that the m4 comp would destroy it in a roll, due to the fact that it has even less weight and just a little bit less horsepower than the M4CompXdrive
The first dyno runs with the new M2's showed that they tend to put out around 500 hp rather than the 460 on specs sheet. Therefore the rolling result isn't shocking at all. Racing a 4WD vs RWD from the line doesn't make any sense which should be obvious.
Basically the m2s only chance to keep up is on the 40 roll but like a poster below said whether from 0-100 or 120 mph and up theres no chance for the m2. Pretty cool though to see it keep up on the 40 roll.
It's not parasitic loss....."parasitic" is used for superchargers because it requires energy from the engine to power the supercharger....
Okay, let’s just say drivetrain loss then
How do you like your Toronto Red? Would that still be your choice if you bought again?
Absolutely!
i can't wait to trade my g87 for an X-drive when it comes out. should time perfectly for when my lease is up. i live in the northeast so i just had to change my wheels for winter and have the sandbags for the trunk ready to go for the snow. pray for me lol
If I lived in an area with a bad climate, x drive would be a must.
After 100mph the m3/m4 are walking away especially if theyre rwd
Does the blind spot monitor come with Driver's assistant package?
Standard
The xdrive launch is insane but after that there’s nothing in it. I wouldn’t feel good about that if I spent 40k more on the m4
It’s about 25k more. Check out my other video comparing the differences.
I didn’t know Mexico also had us style street signs 😂
They do!
What I would expect. I mean it's only 50hp, which is 10% of the car's power. In a 150hp vs 200hp car a 50hp difference would make a huge difference.
If it really had 50 more hp it would be running away
sold my g80 xdrive and picked up a g87. BMW is def lying about the g87 hp numbers as the m2 feels basically as fast as the m3. and I slightly prefer the g87 in every single way over the g80.
Congrats!
@@JVette01 you too man! I pinged you on one of your other vids but let me know if you go to any of the Vegas car meets. Would love to see another g87 out there. not too many on the road just yet.
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Wats your opinion new m2 or used g80 m3 I can’t decide 🤷🏼♂️
New m2 100%.
New M2, I have one (manual) and it’s awesome so far. Definitely get the carbon buckets though, one of my favorite parts of the car!
@@InclineDumbbell i should have got the buckets...they are so sick. the only issue i have with the manual is the 1-2 shift. it is really tough to nail and really feels terrible sometimes. any suggestions? about to have 10,000 miles on it today and i still haven't mastered it
@@brelaxed13 If I’m just chillin then I’ll leave the clutch in a little longer but if you’re trying to go faster the best thing is just to rev it out. Some people take out the clutch delay valve which might help slightly but that would be a stupid thing to void my warranty over😂 To be fair I think the 1-2 shift bothers the passengers more than me I don’t really mind
@@InclineDumbbell lol. yeah, my wife hates this car so much. but yeah, it seems like its kind of all or nothing with the 1-2. its fine if you are shifting early at low rpm and just chillin and fine if you are sending it but there is like no middle ground. still love the sht out of it though. enjoy.
In Mexico we have speed limits too 😂
Man I’m waiting so patiently for that 60-130 tho
You’ll find out eventually haha. What is your exact time again?
@@JVette01 I did a 9.7 in +3800 DA
We’re close. I’ll just say that ;)
Parasitic loss doesn't really apply here. The transfer case only engages when there is wheel slip.
Otherwise the clutch pack stays parked and, in fact, *significantly* less gear oil (almost none) circulates in this position. There are two gear oil sumps in the tcase.
From a roll, it's hardly pulling anything. I'd bet maybe 5-7hp of loss. They did this for fuel economy regulation. My M240i XDrive can get 35+ MPG above 75mph easily.
Thanks for your input on this
@@JVette01 The M2 here is yours, no? What values do you typically see on a good launch for acceleration G forces?
I can pull 1.1G (that's my absolute record... Usually 1.05G) on a DSC-OFF XDrive launch so there isn't any torque cut.
I'm looking to trade up to a G87, just curious how much I'll miss it. 😭
It doesn’t have a super hard launch but the launch control is very good at riding the limit of grip and can still do low 4 high 3 0-60s on the street
Was M4 an automatic transmission also?
Definitely didn’t mention it in the first 30 seconds of the video
I am sure that the gear ratios of these two cars are different. Manufacturers set up gear ratios to optimize acceleration, CO2 emissions, and gas consumption. They also want the sub model of their models (IE M for BMW, S or RS for AUDI, AMG for Merc) to have similar performances and the only distinguishing difference to be utility and track performance.
If the M3 or M4 is a competition, it’s auto only. Standard 6-speed M3/M4 473 hp. Comp is 503 hp. M2 is 453 hp. The M3/M4 has higher turbo boost than the M2. It’s somewhere around 19 psi vs 17 psi.
Drag racing proved what? Which one handles better in the twities?
Not sure the question
Love the content bro! U should try a re run after getting a Xhp tranny tune on the m2
I don’t think that would make that big of a difference. Definitely an ECU tune would tho
@@JVette01 you’d be surprised bro what a tranny tune can do! Definitely give it a try
Ive done a few 40 rolls on my g87 but i start on 3rd, 2nd i feel is too close to redline
2nd is perfect at 40. 3rd is perfect at 60. 50 is the weird spot
@@JVette01 nice nice 👍
Test with a M4 without xdrive.
I will try eventually
Can you try it without m4 awd
That would be interesting. Maybe in the future I’ll do it and post a short.
so is the m4 worth the extra 20k
That’s for you to decide. My buddy thinks so, I don’t.
I don’t understand why y’all are so surprised
Maybe because we thought 50 more horsepower with only 150lbs weight difference would be a huge gap..
@@JVette01 maybe y’all believe what bmw says too much. Lol they’re all s58’s and that hp very likely ain’t as big as it is on paper.
@@mogulme6190 That's why it's interesting to do these tests
M3 or M2?
Great question. I like the M2 because of the value and since I have my golf r too. If I only had one, probably M3. I do really love my M2 though.
@@JVette01 perfect! Thank you, I'm going to test drive both today and for 20k less the m2 just seems overall a better value
It is imo
@@JVette01I ended up buying the m2. What a bloody machine man!
Congrats!!
I’d take that m2. It’s sexy as hell
i'd wager that they dont do xdrive on m2 because it would tread on M3's toes
Both Run S58 is M4 really worth the extra 20k
Not in my opinion, or I would've bought one. I'd go M3 if I spent the extra 20-25k.
@@JVette01 well then it makes sense because you have more car for your money the back seats and extra doors it’s not just a coupe
Exactly, and the m4 doesn’t make sense when the m2 exists imo unless you have to have a coupe and 4WD
might as well brake boosted just saying a tadddd
Is the plate on the M4 comp in paper ? lol it's a fake plate so we don't see the real one right ?
No he just bought it at the time of this video
That M4 has a mean front.😄
Potentially could have switched the m4 to rwd only for a roll race 😉
That doesn’t make a difference with x drive cars.
Sorry but this is a bad test😅
How? 😂
@@JVette01 i am joking😂😂 i bought the new M2 yesterday
M2 all day, also its not 4wd it's a rear wheel drive car dude.